#building-and-recc-chat
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WD is more consumer stuff, Toshiba is closer to enterprise, so I guess you are right
Aren't Seagate barracudas ok for mechanical drives?
No
huh
smr
Not with WD Blue in existence at least
Why pay for barracudas when you can go with WD Blues for the same price, for more quality?
ok thank you, never knew that.
np
It’s what we are here for
||but im not a techie yet lol||
||I want to become one too||
oh btw if the drive has 64mb of cache its not an smr drive and should be fast (for an hdd at least)
People here are also the reason I didn't buy a NZXT H510i. Some guy on reddit told me he idles at 60 c so I am very happy this server exists.
Reddit can be a good source but information travels too slow on there
Pro tip
yes that is so true
The more you talk about it, the less likely it is to happen. 😉
So if someone is wrong then you might buy it before it is too late
lol true
so ill just do some subtle advertising
Do you have any say in the matter? Just out of curiosity?
I just wonder, if that guy is idling at 60 degrees, what the hell is he getting when he puts a load on the CPU?
100+ kek
which is why you shouldnt buy nzxt cases
and Mike
Damn
Probably back before the Epic patch tbh
I have never seen my CPU over 68 with a stock cooler.
Normally it doesn't get that hot.
why didnt u talk them outta it lol
He got it from MicroCenter
oh f
So he has a heater at his desk?
actually
oh god
whats the problem with NZXT Kraken Z73? alot of people say its good alot say its not
thermal throttling has entered the chat
its just not that good and overpriced
arctic liquid freezer ii is much better bang for buck
what would be a good, non rgb alternative?
I always hear that a lot of there stuff is overpriced.
and one of the best aios
They just like the screen on the pump
@brittle tinsel arctic freezer ii 280 is what i recommend
I can just tape an ipod touch on the cooler and bam, lcd display!
if yall like high numbers
Not much around there is not RGB. EK AIO is the closest thing you can probably find.
kek
watch your temps soar with prime95 smallfft :D
this part here also scares me when down to amd, I have no idea what its talking about.
Warning!Some AMD B550 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Vermeer CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.
some need bios update, that's why boards supporting bios flashback is nice
Gotta update the BIOS before you install 5000 series CPU
Make sure the motherboard has Flashabck
AMD mobos usually have bios flashback, you will be fine
I mean, they ALL need the update. It's just places like Microcenter will do it for you
Um, not really
just means u need to update bios
before u use
x570 doesn't unless you go high end
does anyone have an ipod touch so I can have an LCD display on my cooler?
Some come shipped with the correct update, depending on manufacturering date
the motherboard in that list i send had flashback
The update was just released last month
but if not, with bios flashback, ez update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE
In this demonstration, we’ll show you how to use Flash BIOS Button with MSI motherboard.
I dont have microcenter and would prefer to do it in house ,1 reason I like intel
I highly doubt any on the shelf are going to come with it
@muted patio forgot the name, the bios that supported zen 3 came months ago
Mmmmm
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8BJq7X This one?
Every single one I've checked
yes that one
has listed December for the New CPU support BIOS
the board I like for example @muted patio
this isn't some far off random board that got it early
I always like aorus elite ax
lemme go find some other popular boards
Yeah but literally all the other ones I've checked in here have been November/December when people ask
Oh are we talking about bios updates on MSI? I am gonna have nightmares tonight after what happened to me a week and a half ago.
I'd still say plan on a board with Flashback if you're going 5000 series
I meant some, like the B550 TUF, have it, and if you get one of those you will be fine. My words are bad.
Sorry
I think all the Gigabyte B550's do too
B550-f
What board is that though?
DONT USE DRAGON CENTER TO UPDATE YOUR BIOS
x570 plus wifi:
So yeah, I would go with that one
@drifting garnet doing anything with bios through software is sucky
Which doesn't have flashback, BTW
Dragon center is just especially sucky
Found that one out the hard way.
anyways point is agesa 1.0.8 came out a while ago, and that supports 5000 series
@muted patio you might've been looking for 1.1.0
which gives the "full" support, and released like launch day of zen 3
@stoic island Yet two onths later they list New CPU support
Version 3001
2020/12/0819.98 MBytes
TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) BIOS 3001
"1. New CPU support
2. Add a ReSize BAR shortcut for AMD SAM support"
Lol
or lazy
What is a good voltage for a gaming pc?
Power supply unit
but not CPU support and two months later
they took the time to say "new cpu support" by AGESA 1.0.8
These numbers are too many and too numerous for me
I thought I only had a month of Nitro but idk
If I had a 5000 series I'd test that BIOS
Still have it.
You can check
It says in the emojis that my perks will end tomorrow.
Settings > manage nitro
f
Yep, it does.
Cool
I don’t think I have $10
Not on the debit card that that is connected to at least
if amd is all that much better than why does shroud use i9-9900k?
My nitro is going to last another like 5 years
hes the ultimate tryhard and uses intel
@brittle tinsel because at the time of 9900k, AMD wasn't better for gaming
An old CPU? Because it was the best regardless of price at the time.
Goodnight cya tomorrow.
at the time 9900k vs 2700x was easy pick if you were only going for gaming
so the i9 5900x is the better cpu of the groupd
R9 5950x is the best CPU that isn’t a massively workstation CPU, regardless of price.
is better than both r9 3900x and i9 10900k
5950x actually perfs worse than 5900x in games
Really?
not worth unless u need the cores
slower single core, yes
I thought within margin of error for games
TFW WiFi is being slow right now
for games
could always disable ccx if you're worried about boosting, but yea, 5900x if you have no need of 5950x
Just get a 3990x 
no
5900x has higher base clock but 100 mhz lower boost than the 5950x
someone said the 3080 was 700 but i cant find em anything shy of 1200
I could see it going either way
well thing is 5950x a lot more expensive
That’s not a lot
700$ msrp
yes bc scalpers
after US tarrifs, they're about 800USD MSRP
Reason: Bad word usage
Scalpers. You have to catch it when it is in stock again
wait it didn’t get deleted
hmm
Odd
...
nice mee6
Even the high end cards MSRP has gone up a lot
seems legit
$2000 3090 
maybe you’ll get one
or wegg
yes
Yeah, didn't wegg roll out a que system today?
lottery iirc
If they did... yay
Ah
Still better than botting
lottery?
even bestbuy or newegg is upwards of 900, I dont have that kind of budget
Yea, should be nice
You sign up, it picks from a hat
bots can get in queue
so better
so uh
With the queue system you know when you are getting one but with a lottery... well, it’s a lottery.
yea
hm true
I like lotto better
because it's the "no matter how many bots they stuff in there, if you're lucky, you get one"
true
it's a very anti-bot measure
it's not a very good way of making sure people get cards
Unfortunate that we need anti-bot measures
mm true
imo people are just calling out bots because they're salty of the high demand with low supply
MOstly that
So I would prefer queue for actually getting a card, but anti-bot measures to make people happy
You saying bots aren’t one of the main problems here?
whats the difference between b550 and am4?
AM4 is CPU socket
@wanton cliff Like it's a problem, ofc, I won't deny that, but it's not as big as people claim it to be
B550 is Chipset
Nothing, AM4 is a socket that B550 uses
Every day people are like "bots are taking all the cards"
People seem like they just don't consider low stock and high demands
People are taking all the cards
Annoys me tbh
mm
but anyways even with stock discords, prices are high asf rn
i could probably get one from best buy if i had the money
like 1000+ for 3080 for the past week or so
Better to find a enemy to point blame too, and a problem easily fixed
coughs in ReCaptcha
so somehow i need to scalp up $400-700
Yeah... sure...
nah
im gonna sell my gtx 460 for $300
then sell my 9800gt for $200
then buy a 3060ti
I’d like to see you try 
i def could tbh
Why do all the characters in this show have Keychron keyboards
bc they’re sponsored
They aren’t tho
or bc keychron is just good
It’s very well hidden
It’s a political thriller from Netflix. It isn’t sponsored, I can guarantee that.

What’s the deal behind the name Ssenti?
Just out of curiosity’s sake
@small osprey
idk tbh
just randomly thought of it one day lol
and i wanted to use as my mc username
but senti with one s was taken
so i added another
and i like how it sounds so yea
Better with another s tbh
I’ve been some cringe name Titan Master on everything for years
my name is what it is
I can use it in most places without people already using it
true
tho a surprising amount of people use it
like siege someone had the name before I got to it
so I'm NotMr1111 on seg
I've prob made someone mad by taking mr1111
who even thinks of this name other than me >:(
There are about a billion gamers in the world
And only so many combinations of different characters
Whenever I try to pronounce your name in my head I think “111” as in one-eleven, like the Fallout 4 vault
ye
People sometimes call me mister
sometimes one-one-one-one
or just eleven
or eleven-eleven
or one thousand one hundred and eleven
like that
lol
Mr1111 - 6
depends on how u say it
サラ
japanese?
If you go by how the Japanese say it, 2 syllables
hm
What does that say
how would i even write ssenti in chinese
ha
Japanese and Chinese both use the same Kanji, but Japanese has Hiragana and Katakana as well
no ssenti
Was I told wrong?
I don't pay attention to japanese :P
idk i just typed ssenti on my chinese keyboard
Kyojin
Don’t know how to hiragana that but that’s my display name in Japanese
Titan
Are you Chinese?
Imagine being Asian
kek
And actually knowing a second alphabet
Japanese food is better
Weirdo
I know what you are trying to convey
but i hate ginger
Wasabi is just... different
its like ur mouth is buzzing kinda
True
like hunan, sichuian
China spice is good
however u spell that idk
Should we take this to special chat since this is not about computers?
sure
how can I tell if this has flashback or whatever its called?
MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard
It does
Welcome to the MSI Global official site. We are the top Gaming gear provider.
Go there, scroll down to back Panel Ports
Flash BIOS button
#6
basically, buttons on rear io
I would get TUF B550 but that’s just me
OH NO THIS IS TERRIABLE
what is
AORUS ELITE AX SOLD OUT AND THE LISTING IS 265$ WITH 100$ SHIPPING
Oh my
unrelated
Has flashback too
button = flashy
And ASUS BIOS
oh yea fitz gave me a vrm lesson last night that I haven't watched yet
might need to do that later
bios flash
this is the slightly more advanced stuff
@wanton cliff if you want a good video on basics, buildzoid made one
(this is good)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDRHV3qtSWc
The basic principles of how a motherboard or GPU VRM works.
Patreon and Shirts: http://cxzoid.blogspot.co.uk/p/paypal-safer-easier-way-to-pay-online.html
The Twitch:https://www.twitch.tv/buildzoid
The blog: http://cxzoid.blogspot.co.uk/
The Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/actuallyhardcoreoverclocking
Is 4x8 better than 2x16
no good testing yet
Ram
on consumer dual channel boards, safe to assume close enough
Depends on the CPU
Ryzen 5000 prefers quad channel despite the board but anything before that doesn’t
Some Intel boards like quad channel, some don’t
So would a 550
B550? With which CPU?
Ye. And I'm trying to figure that out
True
Im getting my cpu, gpu, and graphics card from a friend
Do you know which ones they are?
@wanton cliff we don't have enough testing on it
GN promised a video soon(tm), but not out yet
GPU and Graphics card are the same thing
well, there might've been decent 4x8 vs 2x16 testing, I just haven't seen any good ones yet
GPU is short for Graphical Processing Unit
is there anything cheaper than 3080 but better than 3060 ti? 3080 is a big gap to my budget
GPU technically only talks about the chip on the card, while graphics card talks about the whole card, but they're used interchangeably when talking about graphics cards.
3070 exists
3070
I heard the 3060ti was better than the 3070 though, no?
if it were better than the 3070 they would have called it the 3070ti
3060Ti is a little better than a 2080 Super, and a 3070 is a little better than a 2080Ti
Yea price to perf 3060ti is better, but performance wise 3070 is a good bit better
so if you had to choose @stoic island would you pick 3060ti or 3070?
I would choose 3070
3070 ignoring budget
I chose 3070
all I need to know.
if 3070 fits in the budget, always 3070
it fits way better than a 3080
My philosophy is always "get the best GPU you can afford"
Well, as long as the rest of the system is functional
can't have cardboard box
what games even use more than 6gb vram anyway?
My philosophy is ‘Make the gpu around half the system’
Most VR games
doesn't msfs2020 at 4k max settings creep close to like 7-8gb
plenty do, especially at high res
anyways
it's not worth worrying over if you're not gonna go 4k
1440p ain't as bad
I play everything medium to low 1080p, Im not a graphics enthusiast just like to play with good fps
I have 1080p monitors anyway so 4k is off the table
plus I dont play VR
so seems like the 3070 is right up my alley
Then save the money and go 3060TI
3070 is more 1440p, 3060 TI is amazeballs 1080p performance
I use the gpu encoded when streaming and recording so wouldnt the 3070 work better for that?
that barely affects your performance either way
Barely a difference between the two
Speaking of, Ray Tracing is amazing too
On both the cards
If you care about that
I may go with the 3070, it looks like it has 8gb vram
he just said he cares about fps 
They both do
BRB
I thought the 3060ti had 6?
Nope, 8
nvm they the same, the 3060 ti has 75MHz faster clock speed though
and fewer cores
omg this is all way to confusing for trying to build a first pc
my 3070 will do 2 GHZ lol
Well
Pick the card you l ike the most and can afford and buy it
that's the wasy way
3070 OR 3060TI will work just fine for you
I think im just going the 3070, its only $80 more
heh, tariffs
EVGA does a backordering thing
oh already 1 month 🙄
Agreed
3600 probably
So 2x16 most likely
yep its dual channell
Any cheaper 2x16 ram
Crucial Ballistix is best you can get, G.Skill ripjaws is probably best price - performance
Ballistix is out of stock everywhere last I checked
Please change your name to something we can ping easier, if you need help with something
So, G Skill probs best bet
i bought crucial ballistix rgb 16gb for 65$ from newegg
How long ago?
last time I checked it was out of stock until Feb/March
hola
Yeah I found ballistic as well
como estas
umm around new year eve
yep
bought red crucial rgb ram with msi mpg z390 xd building red pc
In the show I’m watching: “He bought those computers ($500k worth) for their processing power. If he networks them all together, he has a super computer. Something like this would generate massive amounts of heat, we are talking hundreds of thousands of Kilowatts”
There are a few problems with this. The first is the thing about heat. A network of computers in a warehouse (this is in Chicago) with good airflow will not generate more heat than one of Lili’s server rooms.
The second thing is the ‘hundreds of thousands of kilowatts’ remark. This was made in 2016, when a powerful computer produced en masse could have around a 1000w PSU at most. That’s one kilowatt. Let’s say every computer was worth a grand. That’s 500 computers (far less are shown in the show). Meaning 500 kilowatts at most. A Far Cry from ‘hundreds of thousands of Kilowatts’.
One more thing: all of the computers shown were Dell Optiplexes. They didn’t even bother to scrape the logo off the side. I don’t need to say more.
This is a copypasta I drew up myself, just a moment ago
Based off of a line from the show Designated Survivor
Season 2 Episode 1
A 650w power supply is good right?
Well the power calculator thing said I was only gonna need like 200-250, but I couldn't find the cpu im getting
...do you know which CPU that is?
Seasonic Focus Gold or Phanteks AMP
I think i was getting a 650
650w on either of those would be fine
Gtx650?
Is it?
Not really
Maybe it was a 550
just ordered 5500xt for 220 
Does it even exist
By ‘quite the graphics card’ I mean it is [EXPLETIVE DELETED] and you need an upgrade very soon
Nkpe
Wdym ‘nope’?
RX 550 or GTX 550?
Gtx 550
That’s even worse
@wanton cliff your status is epic
I’m pretty sure that’s the graphics card that was in the original Xbox One in 2014
❤️
Yeah
What’s the point of this?
I haven’t watched the anime because I don’t have Netflix but I’ve probably listened to that song 100+ times
It’s my favorite song
Im 99% sure it was a 670 or 680
The English version of the chorus translates to ‘this was all a cruel angels thesis from the start’
Still 7 generations ago
Reason: Bad word usage
Oh
Unfortunate
Uh
Yeah I’ve listened to both the Japanese and English versions tons of times
There’s one English one on Spotify that’s pretty good
Amalee?
Yeah
She’s pretty good
Im 100% gonna get banned on accident
Just as long as you don’t swear too many times in a row you will be fine
The other 2 English ones on there are not even close in quality
Agreed
See my normal name on discord
Not my Newegg nickname
Hmmmm
Perhaps a 2070 or something like that once the used market becomes normal
But right now
Nothing below $300 exists right now
Yeah I say 650s for 200 thats why I was confused
Do I need nice fans or can I cheap out on that
Cooler master hyper 212 rgb sf120
Cpu cooler or just the regular fans
Case fans
Uh
P300? H510? Something else?
Superpower?
Ye
No
Yeah
Looks pretty bad tbh
If u find a better one feel free to lmk
Have you not bought it yet?
90ish
Ok yeah you win
yeah, thats the good one right?
Yeah
then why did you post the sc of the bad one lol
I didn’t?
This?
Yep
oh
I found it for 20 dollars less than u did
Reason: Bad word usage
Ok
From the photos
Phanteks subcontracts CoolerMaster for their fans I believe, same as AMD
NO swearing please. Only so many warnings before the bot will kick you lol
Ye in trying
Any more questions?
Ok
Come to think of it, what is your total budget?
Yes
CPU - AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Ram - 2 x ripjaw v series 16gb (2 x 8) 3600
Hard drive - Seagate BarraCudda 2TB 7200 RPM 256mb cache
Motherboard - B550
Cpu cooler - Cooler master 212 CPU air cooler SF120R
Power supply- Montech beta 650w 80+ bronze certified
Actually, sorry, I have to go
Gonna have to outsource this one to @viral ore or something
Good night and I apologize
Its fine
how much does ARCTIC LIQUID FREEZER II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
typically run for?
Anyone know of a good white wrist wrest that fits perfect on a 60% keyboard? @ me
is come one wiling to look at a build for me and help me tweek it by chance
Post it
sure
Need to make it public in the settings. uncheck the private box
its private my guy
i9 think i did it
i9 what gen?
New link?
128 GB of ram?
its why i am here do i really need that much
No
i will have a bourt 4k for this
32 Gb absolute max
i dont want 4k
try and get a 3080
oh 4k price
You'll never need more ram
lmao
32 gb dual channel best ram 4000mhz cl16/18

Yeah just bump the ram down
32 GB max
The power supply is a bit too large
Maybe a Seasonic Focus Gold 650/750
Or a Phanteks AMP 650/750
also change the 2tb hdd into a 1/2tb sata ssd
750 will run a 3080 no problem
They already have an NVME
Platter fine for large storage
i guess
can u post a link for recommended ram
gskill and corsair are pretty good
ok thank you
Something like this unless you want RGB https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-PC4-28800-3600MHz-Ripjaws-16-19-19-39/dp/B07Z45XB3G/ref=sr_1_14?dchild=1&keywords=ddr4+ram+3600mhz&qid=1611208706&s=pc&sr=1-14
Does intel really need 4000 mhz?
SPendy
how much slower?
should they make a ryzen system?
i dont want amd i want intel
Most people using 3200 mhz for 10900k
Why do you want intel?
okay intel fanboy
my guy amd sometimes out performs intel
actually no. i just understand how to deal with intel bs
So
@heavy marsh aint no need to hate on somebody for having a preference
in the end they're both cpus
But it's not on a canada site
yeah i also dont care about rgb. preformance
I prefer what my wallet prefers
if that helps
there is no difference between amd bs and intel bs unless overclocking
intel BS and AMD BS are the same, AMD has gained a large market share and is widely supported. Dont be afraid to pick the better performer
But that rgb makes it faster, dontcha know?
ik still dont carfe
Ease up guys
its like how people stick to apple even though android already does what apple just started doing
Just help them find parts
I'm just making jokes
I know but they aren't going over well lol
I'm an AMD guy too but if someone wants Intel, we get them Intel
get a ryzen 9 my guy
Wth is he doing on this computer
by by intel bs i mean i understand how to use intel better
Ah
this is my first build
It'll all work and perform well
oh i get now sorry
1080p or 1440p
You could get a thread ripper
bruh
Thread ripper slaps
u good
sorry had a mini stronke
because the ram didnt have a price
Why does he need that much ram
Get rid of the 4000 mhz kit
get a lian li lancool ii mesh
i can swing a little. i want to keep i close to 4k but i can go to 5k
i thought i did
Ger rid of the Gskill
Imma overclock my pc on the zoom meetings tmrw
its down to 4024.44
Getting that 240 FPS on zoom
I wish i had 5k to spend for pcs xD
There ya go, MAN RAM is expensive in Canada!
im in TN usa
Oh
tenneessee
why you using canada partpicker then?
idk
BRUH
LOL!!!
didnt know i was
Are gpu prices still sky high?
yeah
you are getting pricing all wrong
2950.77
fixed it so sorry
should be cheaper
a 900 dollar pc in usa is around 1.2k or 1.3k in canada
🥲
is windows 10 pro worth it?
Not really unless you need all the Pro stuff like a VM
i want to get into the it world and it would help me that is why
IT?
This ram is a bit cheaper with no RGB if you want https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gCCFf7/crucial-ballistix-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-bl2k16g32c16u4b
IT yes information technology
wait isnt that udimm?
No
or i might be thinking of another thing
so swaped ram to the callistix. what else can i do with this buget
seperate buget
4k just for pc tower
1080p monitors?
if that helps more
1440P?
I mean, similar stuff was $100 just 6 months ago
I had the worse bin, the 3000cl15 and I did 3800 cl14 with it
maybe get a cheaper aio?
I mean, just because you CAN spend 4k doesn't mean you need to
do i need 3600 or is 3200 ok
what is the differance
AMD likes faster ram
Intel is kinda meh with ram speed
I have AMD so need faster ram
my curranct on connected to my laptop is 144htz i want to get i better one and use this as second
Just run with 3200mhz and if/when you care, look into going from xmp to manual
What resolution though?
1080p?
1440p/2k?
Yeah I have a 32 gig 3600 Gskill kit right now
yes because thats the max my 1070 laptop gpu can support
MIght try and OC it this weekend since it's Hynix C die
with 1080p performance will be through the roof
1440p still has no use to me tbh
It'll do 240hz
Maybe get 3080 1440p 240hz? Odyssey g7
i play escape from tarkov. i want high frames and graphics i can see everythign
odyssey g7 is freesync iirc
since i have a little more should i upgrade the m.2
Both gsync and freesync
no thats perfect
huh neat
i decided an extra large case is that one good on thermals
RTX 3070 is expensive holy
o11 dynamic... not really
You need alot of fans to be good
lancool ii mesh or meshify c
also thank you every one so much
hey its what we do, no problem
Welcome!
ok what fans do yall recommend for fans.
also with that cpu cooler do the job of keeping it cool
noctua nf p12 redux are also pretty good imo
Are those black?
Good
And place the aio right otherwise it goes broke pretty fast
Brown noctua fans are NO
yeah not caring about rgb makes prices nicer
AIO ON TOOOPP
ok cool. how many would ineed
some be quiet fans are also pretty good
The pump just needs to be below the radiator tubes on the radiator
Doesn't have to be a top mount
i learned about aio placement
change the case
it can get deep
i wanted it big incase of upgrade and its my first build
Alice got nothing on this
corsair cyrstal is a nicer lookin case tbh
better airflow than o11 iirc
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