building-and-recc-chat

[formal cosmos]

okay

bet

thanks

[grim fern]

could i hypothetically use the USB C port to plug in an HDMI cable if i wanted to

[frozen junco]

Why 2 outputs

Buys that kind of motherboard and then uses integrated graphics

[grim fern]

work pc

[earnest olive]

there are workloads that require strong cpu without strong gpu

not everyone is gaming all the time

[grim fern]

and the canadian itx motherboard market is stupid so yeah

[blazing hatch]

can you please tell me am i overspending my money in buying x570 Aorus Master with 5600x ?

[frozen junco]

I know that but just get a 1050 or 750 or something like that

[earnest olive]

why? more power consumption for no gain

[frozen junco]

But less hot components in you cpu

[earnest olive]

...?

how much power do you think an igpu takes

[frozen junco]

It puts out some heat

[earnest olive]

ah yes so the 1050 spewing 75 watts into your cpu cooler is going to somehow be better for thermals?

my cpu temps went up from upgrading my gpu that heat doesn't just magically disappear

[earnest olive]

depends more on the rest of your system than the cpu

are you making use of the x570 features?

[languid adder]

I bought a pre built and im getting fps drops hella on fortnite I need help. i have 2060 super 3600x

[earnest olive]

what ram

[languid adder]

16gb

[earnest olive]

does it have an ssd

[regal sparrow]

Ah ssd

[languid adder]

ssd and hdd

idk if its caled hdd lol

[earnest olive]

what is your fps dropping to

[languid adder]

just like so low all of a sudden like 100

[earnest olive]

and what is the average

[languid adder]

idk if u play but i get like 90 in endgame

my computer cant handle 240fps inc reative

[earnest olive]

no I haven't played fortnite before but I am aware that it gets more demanding as there are more structures

is that 16gb ram in 1 stick or 2 sticks or 4 sticks?

[languid adder]

1 stick i think

[earnest olive]

that's probably the issue then

single channel ram is known to cause bad frame drops

consider replacing with a 2x8gb kit and selling the existing stick

ram replacement is very easy and doesn't require tools

most cases will also open without tools unless screws are overtightened

it really astounds me that prebuilt manufacturers love single channel ram so much

[languid adder]

okay

but what if i buy it and its not the problem tho

[earnest olive]

when it makes their product so much worse just to save $2 in manufacturing cost

it is the problem

I upgraded my laptop from 1x16 to 2x8 and the minimum fps went from 25 to 120

same speed

and I bought the 2x8 for 50 and sold the 1x16 for 45

so it was almost a free upgrade anyways

[small osprey]

wait wait if i have a 2x8 and a 2x4 kit can it use dual channel

[earnest olive]

yeah

[small osprey]

and can mac even use dual channel

[earnest olive]

if you have 4 slots

[small osprey]

oh ok

[muted patio]

It's weird though

[earnest olive]

just put an 8 and an 4 in each channel

[muted patio]

that's a total of 24 GB

[earnest olive]

OS has nothing to do with dual channel that's hardware support

[muted patio]

Yeah but it's weird how it works with mismatched sticks

So, 16GB of it will be dual channel, the other 8 will be single channel speeds

*mismatched quantities

[small osprey]

hm strange

which 16 gb tho

[earnest olive]

no if it's 4 slots 2 channels you should be able to run all 24gb in dual channel

just put 8+4 in each channel

[muted patio]

It's the addressing though

lemme see if I can find an article to explain it better

[small osprey]

what if its 8+ 8 and 4+4 in the two channels

[earnest olive]

sure, I've never tried to run mismatched ram before so I'm open to being corrected

that would probably not be good

[muted patio]

Intel calls it Flex mode

But AMD uses another name for it

[blazing hatch]

I am buying Aorus motherboard its good VRM with nvidia 3080 ? I guess. I am completely new in building

PC

[earnest olive]

motherboard vrm has nothing to do with gpu

gpu has its own vrms

[muted patio]

Does this make sense? https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005657/boards-and-kits.html?wapkw=flex#flex

[blazing hatch]

what you think i am overspending for Aorus Master x570 ?. I will have only one 1 ssd 1 TBB for a while to paly games

[muted patio]

AMD does the same thing

[earnest olive]

5600X will run great on a $80 board if you don't need extra features

buy what you need the features of

@muted patio yeah but that's different from what I'm saying

that's 2+2 running in dual and the last 2 running in single channel

because there's no match for it

[muted patio]

It applies to 4 sticks as well

[earnest olive]

but each stick has a matching counterpart

[muted patio]

Hmmm, maybe I misunderstood

[earnest olive]

1 pair of 8+4 in each channel

I'm on my phone so I can't illustrate it

[muted patio]

I get what you're saying

[earnest olive]

but each channel will have 12gb

so it should be full dual channel

from left to right I'd do 4 8 4 8

so the 2x8 are in the main pair

in terms of the memory topology

[formal cosmos]

i have all my pc parts

rn

i’m soooo scared

[little osprey]

lets start building \

[desert raven]

Hey i need ways of discharging myself, im putting custom cable extenders in my pc

[little osprey]

@formal cosmos start with installing cpu 😂

[little osprey]

contact with some metal elements xd easy way xd

[formal cosmos]

i might start tomorrow

i’m not sure

[little osprey]

why

[formal cosmos]

because

i’m

[earnest olive]

@desert raven I always just touch a doorknob

[formal cosmos]

scared

asf

[earnest olive]

every 5-10 minutes

[formal cosmos]

i don’t think i’m ready

[earnest olive]

have built many pcs that way without issue

[little osprey]

@formal cosmos just do it xd

[earnest olive]

just don't work while standing on carpet

[formal cosmos]

why

[earnest olive]

discharge static electricity from your body by grounding yourself

[formal cosmos]

i didn’t know you had to discharge yourself

yeah

i’m

totally

[little osprey]

@formal cosmos discharge ur ctatic electric xd

[formal cosmos]

not

ready

[earnest olive]

static electricity has a small but nonzero chance to damage components

[little osprey]

@formal cosmos just touch to some metal elements before start thats it

[earnest olive]

linus and electroboom did a really good collab video on it using a high voltage gun

[formal cosmos]

i thought you weren’t supposed to touch metal

lol

[earnest olive]

they had to try really hard to kill a stick of ram

but it is still possible

[muted patio]

not to derail, but it looks like that memory config will work

[formal cosmos]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rRKNW3

[muted patio]

I misunderstood some things 🙂

[formal cosmos]

that’s my build

i have everything

[little osprey]

only cpu can effected by statics mostly

[formal cosmos]

can i work with socks and some nike sandals? lol

[earnest olive]

all good brother

[little osprey]

@formal cosmos nice . just start to biuld it

[earnest olive]

good choice of case

[formal cosmos]

the cpu and cpu cooler looks hard asf to put on

[earnest olive]

I did a build in that case recently and I didn't even know pc building could be that easy

[little osprey]

nou just touch to some metal before start thats all

[muted patio]

That power supply is also very nice

[earnest olive]

very well designed case

[muted patio]

I just got one

[earnest olive]

ended up taking like 35 minutes to build

[little osprey]

its easy dont worry

[muted patio]

I'd rather see a WD or Toshiba hard drive though

[formal cosmos]

why metal?

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/T7HBD3

[little osprey]

metal elements taking out statics

[earnest olive]

love this case

managed to buy it for $70

[formal cosmos]

oh

is installing windows and drivers easy?

[earnest olive]

35 minute build

[wanton cliff]

Wrong place sorry

[formal cosmos]

lol

[earnest olive]

installing windows is just plugging in a usb drive and following the directions on the screen

[little osprey]

yes it is

[formal cosmos]

what about drivers

[little osprey]

drivers will be installed automatically xd

[earnest olive]

and realistically windows will handle all of the drivers you need by itself if you have no idea what you're doing

you can update the graphics and chipset drivers

but it's not mandatory

[little osprey]

you just should install updated drivers for gpu thats it xd

[formal cosmos]

so technically all i have to do is get windows

[earnest olive]

yeah pretty much

[formal cosmos]

oh

[earnest olive]

it's recommended to keep graphics drivers up to date but it's not necessary for the computer to function

[formal cosmos]

i watched a joey delgado video and he updated drivers as soon as he was done building

[earnest olive]

windows will automatically install a slightly older version

[little osprey]

yes

[formal cosmos]

does the room temp matter? lol

[earnest olive]

while building? no

[formal cosmos]

idk if it’s the room or i’m just sweating

[earnest olive]

room temp will have some impact on the running temp of the pc though

once it's built

[still bay]

Very small

[little osprey]

you have nvidia gpu . you just gonna install nvidia experience and it will keep ur gpu drivers up to date

[earnest olive]

I don't have geforce experience

[little osprey]

its cool thing

[muted patio]

It is. Shadowplay is amazing

[earnest olive]

I don't find it useful personally

[muted patio]

Record into the past

Useful for online games and cheaters 😉

[little osprey]

yes it is

[earnest olive]

the only game I play that generates potentially clipworthy moments supports recording replays already

the new nvidia broadcast is very cool though

now I can video call for work without caring about how my room looks

[little osprey]

[muted patio]

It also makes recording videos easy without using OBS or something too

[earnest olive]

I like OBS

[muted patio]

I do too

BUt it can be difficult to setup for newbies

[lament oyster]

Put my fryed pc into another case just for practice

[earnest olive]

fried pc?

sounds tasty

[lament oyster]

Yeh putting in an ID cooling cpu cooler fried it lol

I messed up somehow

[muted patio]

OH yeah

[lament oyster]

Vintageracer helped me

[muted patio]

I remember that

[lament oyster]

Speaking of

[muted patio]

oof

[lament oyster]

Fr fr

[earnest olive]

nah

you didn't mess up, the motherboard manufacturer did for designing it like that

he told me about this

[muted patio]

Yes

[lament oyster]

Ah

It was time for an upgrade anyway just sucks that it happened like that lol

I really like the meshify c though

That’s the case I bought

[earnest olive]

did it fry everything?

or have you not tested that yet

[lament oyster]

I can’t test it

I’m 14 and this was my only pc lol

[earnest olive]

there's a chance that some components are alive

fair enough

well if you're upgrading you will be able to test

hopefully the gpu is alive still

[lament oyster]

Mhm I might be able to sell my rx 580 vintage said that would prob not break

[earnest olive]

gpus are very hard to find you may want to hold onto a temporary one for a while

[lament oyster]

Yea I’m not selling it right now

[earnest olive]

everything except the board is worth testing imo

[lament oyster]

I’m just hoping to maybe get my hands on a 3060 ti.

[earnest olive]

board is certainly dead

[lament oyster]

I’m sure it is

[earnest olive]

although you probably won't be able to test the cpu

intel 7th gen?

[lament oyster]

Mhm i7 7700 non k

[earnest olive]

can't imagine you would want to buy another 200 series board

[lament oyster]

Nope

I’m going amd too

So no way it would work lol

Unless I can get a deal on some Intel parts

[earnest olive]

well

you just shouldn't be looking at intel 7th gen in 2021

quad core as a dead end isn't a great idea

[lament oyster]

Yea it seems pretty outdated now

[earnest olive]

8700k aging much better

[lament oyster]

I’m hoping to go ryzen 7 3700x or the new ryzen 5

[earnest olive]

if it's for gaming

5600x > 3700x for sure

[lament oyster]

Okay yea there’s no reason I can’t wait if I’m going to also wait for a gpu

[earnest olive]

ryzen 5000 is getting easier to find now I think

[lament oyster]

I saw yesterday I was being blown up on stock drops

[earnest olive]

I had a 5600x in my cart for like 8 minutes in the last newegg drop just out of curiosity

could have easily bought it

and it wasn't in a combo

[lament oyster]

But I had no motivation to get it

Hmm interesting

[earnest olive]

yeah I just don't need it

my 3600x is keeping up very well at 1440p

[lament oyster]

Yea I’m not looking to go over 1440p

[earnest olive]

not planning to upgrade until AM5

5600x is a great choice for 1440p

[lament oyster]

Uhm

Do you think I should return the cpu cooler?

It’s in its box rn

[earnest olive]

umm

test the fan I suppose

[lament oyster]

Idk how tho

[earnest olive]

the heatsink shouldn't really be affected by what happened

but the fan could

[lament oyster]

Yes the heat sink is fine

[earnest olive]

it's a good cooler though

[muted patio]

Pretty sure the cooler will be fine

[earnest olive]

I've done 2 builds with it

[muted patio]

The power cable that oofed is just CPU power

[lament oyster]

I like the way it looks

[muted patio]

The fan power comes through the 24 pin

[earnest olive]

yeah it's just possible that more of the board was affected

worth testing

not hard to plug a fan into a header to test

it should be fine though

[lament oyster]

Oh yea I did that when the fiasco was going down yesterday

It did not work

It would move then stop

[earnest olive]

well that's probably the board being dead and not the fan

[lament oyster]

And the case fans did not move

[earnest olive]

you would need to test it on a different board

[lament oyster]

I bet it is the board

[muted patio]

Yeah, that's a motherboard issue

[lament oyster]

Yeh I don’t have another board

Oh well

I may as well just return it for money back then buy another done down the road

[earnest olive]

you will eventually

[muted patio]

Nah, save it for the AMD board

It'll work with that too

THe 5600x could use a good cooler

[lament oyster]

Okay then I will keep it with me

What’s a good board for the 5600x?

[stoic island]

b550 aorus elite ax

[earnest olive]

seconded

[lament oyster]

I was thinking about the x570 tuf gaming

B550 is the way to go?

[earnest olive]

I have the b550 aorus elite non-ax

only difference is wifi

fantastic board

[lament oyster]

I don’t neee WiFi

[earnest olive]

most people do not need x570 features

[lament oyster]

I’ll have it hard wired with Ethernet

[muted patio]

Don't go x570 TUF, no flashback so the new CPU will work

[earnest olive]

yeah same so I got the non-ax

my modem is 8 inches away from my pc

no reason to use wifi

[muted patio]

Get a B550 board with Bios Flashback

B550 TUF ASUS

That's a great one

[lament oyster]

Yeh mines on the other side of the room my dad plays ps5 and has his ps5 right next to the modem

So

Gigibyte or asus?

[visual pawn]

are the RTX boards still impossible to find?

[lament oyster]

Or are both good just whichever one suits me?

[earnest olive]

product > brand

[lament oyster]

Well I’m just saying between those two?

That y’all suggested

If that’s more of a opinion

Ig*

[earnest olive]

I have the aorus elite myself

nothing to complain about whatsoever

it's one of the few b550 boards with sata ports on the bottom edge of the board

which is very nice for cable management if you have a sata drive in your build

has plenty of rgb headers to satisfy my addiction

[lament oyster]

I’m hoping of getting a m.2

[earnest olive]

vrms that are overbuilt for a 5950x

yes I have a 1tb m.2 nvme drive and a 6tb hard drive

so I need sata port

[muted patio]

I mean, the TUF has yellow on it too XD

Not eactly something people like

[earnest olive]

the aorus elite has some red stuff and gold caps near the audio chip

but it has never bothered me

in general the board looks very clean

I don't like the boards that have gray streaks all over the pcb

aorus elite is like a solid black slab

[lament oyster]

Well my amazing fried b250m a has orange lights on the side.

[earnest olive]

there's some subtle rgb on the board that I just set to white

not really noticeable when I have floodlights everywhere

[lament oyster]

Lool

[muted patio]

I turned my edge light off

[lament oyster]

I’m stuck between RGB and black... my budget says no but my heart says yes.

[earnest olive]

I like white

[lament oyster]

I wanted a white one but it gets expensive I realized making a parts list

[small osprey]

dayum clean

is that the td500mesh white

[lament oyster]

I do love that gpu

[earnest olive]

yeah but I replaced the front fans with some better ones

ID-COOLING XF-12025-ARGB

got 15 of them for $50

[small osprey]

wwhaat

15 for $50?!!

[lament oyster]

15 oml

Fr

[small osprey]

if i ever do a o11d build im buying those

[lament oyster]

You can get 1 Corsair for that much lol

[small osprey]

instead of those overpriced ll120s

[earnest olive]

the stock fans in the td500 mesh do the job but their bearings are clicky

I wanted my build to be breathing-level quiet when I'm studying with no headphones

so it was unacceptable

I bought them off a pricing error lol

it's usually like $35 for 3?

still very cheap for such high quality fans

[lament oyster]

Oh damn what a steal

[small osprey]

still p good

[earnest olive]

but not nearly as insane as 15 for $50

[small osprey]

do u have a link?

[earnest olive]

they include a 1-4 argb splitter and a sata-argb controller

for each 3 pack

[small osprey]

can u buy just one fan

[earnest olive]

I'm not sure

https://www.newegg.com/p/1YF-0017-00019

they were out of stock for a while but looks like they are back

they're very quiet and can run as low as 20% on a pwm signal

very happy putting them in a "breathing-level" build

[small osprey]

hm very nice

what about ur aio which one is that

it looks real nice

[earnest olive]

silverstone pf360 argb

yeah I bought it specifically for the snowflake lol

[small osprey]

does it actually perf good

or meh

[earnest olive]

it's about what you would expect for a 360 aio

[small osprey]

what temps do u get

[earnest olive]

ryzen 5 3600x, pbo scalar 10, -84 mV, LLC 3
ambient room temp 22C
idle temp (40% pump speed, 20% fan speed): 30-55C
gaming temp (80% pump speed, 40% fan speed): 45-55C
prime95 small ffts avx temp (100% pump speed, 60% fan speed): 72C

gets the job done quietly, I can't complain

[small osprey]

that’s actually quite good

pretty cheap pricing for a 360mm too

[earnest olive]

yeah and I use argus monitor to control fans based on the avg temp of the cpu over the past 10 seconds instead of current temp

so it doesn't ramp up for a second and then ramp back down every time idle temp spikes

cause ryzen idle temps tend to be all over the place

[muted patio]

Yes

[small osprey]

for my new setup im trying to be as aesthetic as possible

so that aio is probably the one im gonna use

[earnest olive]

me: has nothing but hwinfo open
3600X: 4.4GHZ ALL CORE GO GO GO
temp: spikes to 55C
me: what

what do you see boy

my chip is a hyperactive toddler

😔

it used to drive me nuts hearing everything ramp up for 1 second while studying

[small osprey]

wow xD

just sitting there

all of a sudden fan speeds go to 100% for 5 seconds lol

[earnest olive]

yeah but thankfully I can control my fans based on recent average temp now

spikes still happen but my fans don't ramp up unnecessarily

[small osprey]

nice kek

what other black/white parts are there hmm

maybe ill buy trident z and set to white

nah thats a waste

[earnest olive]

anything that's black and has rgb is a potential black/white part

[small osprey]

true

for the ram i dont really care

[earnest olive]

I like having options though

even if my pc is white most of the time

[small osprey]

for the mobo hmm perhaps asus b550-a

[earnest olive]

if I want to make it pink for a day nothing is stopping me

[small osprey]

same lol

i do that with my mouse and keeb rgb

[earnest olive]

I like white case the best for that reason too

blank canvas

and yeah I just have solid black ram

having white rgb ram would stick out on the surrounding black motherboard

[small osprey]

white goes with everything

[earnest olive]

so I just went for stealthy ram

[small osprey]

like i want to get a deskmat that matches my keycaps

and i have white mouse

[earnest olive]

can't complain about 3800c16 for $68

[small osprey]

but still looks very nice

[small osprey]

wait 3800mhz?

[muted patio]

Oloy?

[earnest olive]

no g.skill

[muted patio]

rly

[earnest olive]

ripjaws v

[small osprey]

just ripjaws?

[muted patio]

RLY

[small osprey]

did u oc them to 3800?

lucky

[earnest olive]

it's a 3600c16 kit I just oced it lol

[small osprey]

cant manage that

[muted patio]

Not sure my IF will like that either

[small osprey]

blue screens reeeee

[earnest olive]

on my old b450 tomahawk max

it wouldn't boot higher than 3733

on b550 aorus elite the same cpu and ram do 3800 happy as a clam

[muted patio]

hmmmmm

Now I wanna try it lol

[earnest olive]

same timings

[muted patio]

i have a 32 GB kit

[small osprey]

i too lazy to oc my ram

[earnest olive]

32gb is harder to oc than 16gb

[muted patio]

I know

[small osprey]

i just turned on xmp and i done

[earnest olive]

the real gain isn't that much

you won't notice if you aren't looking at fps counter

[muted patio]

I need 32 GB because I run some game servers and play at the same time

[earnest olive]

oc is more of a hobby

I don't think anyone can tell between 192 and 200 fps

[small osprey]

mm

32 gb is nice to have

i go over 16 quite a lot

so i like the breathing room

[earnest olive]

well

your pc will be more liberal with ram allocation when it has more to work with

[small osprey]

true

[earnest olive]

I've never seen my ram usage go over 13gb

[small osprey]

[earnest olive]

even playing the newest AAA titles with rtx on

[small osprey]

i can have over 10 things open at once

[earnest olive]

I can still game with 20 tabs and a video call open

hasn't bothered me yet

might look into 32gb for ddr5

[plucky oar]

for i minecraft server for about 8 people how much ram would i need

[earnest olive]

back in the day I ran a minecraft server for 20 people on a laptop with 8gb ram

[small osprey]

uh for just the server probably 4-8

[earnest olive]

and played the game on it at the same time

[plucky oar]

yes but minecraft uses alot more ram now

[small osprey]

i set my mc to use 8 gb ram

[earnest olive]

not saying that's exactly how much you need

[small osprey]

bc why not

[earnest olive]

I'm aware it uses more ram now

[plucky oar]

i mean would 16 be enough

[earnest olive]

for sure

[plucky oar]

i might be modding it as well

[earnest olive]

mods can get more intensive

we played bukkit so plugins but no mods

I allocated 2gb to the server lol

[small osprey]

i have a spigot server

allocated 4 gb

[earnest olive]

this was version 1.7

[keen zealot]

Finally finished my first build 🥲 3 new fans came in yesterday and the fan hub today, so got those suckers installed! 6 fans are loud 😂

[earnest olive]

when I was in middle school

[small osprey]

oh nice dude

[earnest olive]

@keen zealot tune the fan curves

more fans is quieter at the same temp

[plucky oar]

yes so like the stone age

[small osprey]

1.7-1.89 were the best times for combat

[plucky oar]

yes

[small osprey]

still play on 1.8.9 to this day

[earnest olive]

damn I'm not that old

i'm 22

[plucky oar]

it was but this is not an arguement that should be had rn because it is going to trigger someone

[small osprey]

thats p old

in my eyes

[earnest olive]

are people divided about minecraft combat

[plucky oar]

bruh i am 14 and used to play with 1.8.9

[small osprey]

YES 1.9+ COMBAT SUCKSSSS

[plucky oar]

yes

[earnest olive]

lol

[plucky oar]

and there is no skill involved

[earnest olive]

i never cared about the combat my friends and i just trolled each other like the dumb middle schoolers we were

i installed a plugin that let me change into mobs and pretended to be a ghast and threw fireballs at my friends

[small osprey]

the new ppl dont even know what w tapping is

[small osprey]

kek

a ghast in the overworld

[plucky oar]

i mean as a second grader i broke one of my friends laptops because i spawned in about 3000 creepers and then made them all blow up

[earnest olive]

yeah i also spawned an ender dragon outside my friend's house

[small osprey]

dude

[earnest olive]

but it was disabled because it was riding a chicken

[small osprey]

the memories

[earnest olive]

but the model was so large it was hiding the chicken

[plucky oar]

yeah

[small osprey]

my brother once tried to spawn in 100000000 chickens at once

[plucky oar]

but i think that 16 would be enough

[earnest olive]

so there was an ender dragon walking around on the hill next to his house swinging his head into the ground

[small osprey]

turns out my 4 gb of ram wasnt enough kek

[earnest olive]

i ran the game on a laptop with an i5-2310m, 8gb ddr3-1333, 640gb 5400rpm hard drive

no dedicated graphics

[small osprey]

damn old

[earnest olive]

i got 30 fps with no texture pack

at 768p

[small osprey]

i still have a i5-2400 9800gt build with 16gb ram

[earnest olive]

i was jealous of my friend who was a rich kid

[small osprey]

i downloaded mc on it for laughs

actually got 120 fps on 1080p

[earnest olive]

his parents bought him a macbook with a dgpu and he got 200 fps

[plucky oar]

bruh

[small osprey]

lol

[plucky oar]

that was me but i had like a 5 year old computer so it was only like 100

[earnest olive]

when i built my first pc i installed minecraft just so i could feel vindicated

[small osprey]

my friends are jealous when i play on an imac that gets 500 fps

kek

[earnest olive]

seeing it push 3800 fps and still remain at idle clock made me powerful

[small osprey]

and they get 100

dude high fps is the biggest flex

[plucky oar]

bruh you need like 40 fps for minecraft to be a good experience

[earnest olive]

that was with the most potato graphics possible though

[small osprey]

nah i want 1000+ fps in mc while recording

[earnest olive]

I've had minecraft bring my 3080 to its limit lol

[small osprey]

how much fps

[plucky oar]

bruh

[earnest olive]

160

ray tracing on

and 1440p

[plucky oar]

just install the hardest shaders that you can find

bruh why you play bad version of minecraft

[earnest olive]

i wanted to try it out

and i was able to borrow an account

so i didn't have to pay for windows version

[plucky oar]

oh then you are not a bad human

yeah i did the same but with a 2060 and i still perfer the java shaders

they look a lot better when it comes to the lighting

[earnest olive]

i was building a pc for a mom who asked me to install games for her son because she didn't know how

and she wanted the version of minecraft that would "work with his friend's xbox"

so i bought windows version for her

[keen zealot]

Is that something I do in the BIOS or program

[earnest olive]

either

i use argus monitor for fan control

bios is fine

[plucky oar]

also would a 430 watt psu be enough for a system with a 180 watt cpu and a gt 710 so i dont need to change my gpus everytime that i want to acccess something

[earnest olive]

yeah

[plucky oar]

ight thank you for the help with this i am going to finnally have the ultimate minecraft server for me to die in rl craft

[blazing stone]

Hi guys I'm using a rosewill fan hub controller and those cables are for fan power, which get plugged in into cables from mb

[earnest olive]

what 180 watt cpu out of curiosity

[stoic island]

that looks like molex..?

[plucky oar]

e5 1650v2

[earnest olive]

huh

[blazing stone]

Yeah it's a molex not a sata for power

[earnest olive]

says 130 watts

you oced it?

[plucky oar]

oh wait

no i messed up

i read the 3 as an 8

[stoic island]

molex plugs into cable from PSU

not mobo

[blazing stone]

I meant psu

Dose both have to be plugged in or just one ?

[earnest olive]

i was just wondering cause getting a 180 watt cpu for a dedicated 8 person minecraft server is kind of a gamer move

[plucky oar]

i mean the only trust worth psu that would have pcie power connectors would be a 450 watt psu from evga

[earnest olive]

EPYC 7352 24 core 180W

[small osprey]

hey sips where do u get that emoji of this person but laughing or thinking

@earnest olive

[keen zealot]

87 seems high for idle?

[earnest olive]

?

87C idle means you mounted the cooler wrong

i have gotten lower temps with no thermal paste

[small osprey]

yea those

[earnest olive]

turn it off and remount your cooler

could be inadequate mounting pressure

[keen zealot]

My CPU cooler has been mounted the same for 2 weeks, I dont think I've hit these temps until after I took the mobo out to install the new fans

[earnest olive]

you took mobo out to install new fans? O_O

[keen zealot]

Yeah, I just took everything out

[earnest olive]

not sure why you would need to remove anything to add fans

anyways

[stoic island]

@keen zealot just don't use dragon center

it's weird

use something else

[earnest olive]

dragon center is awful, but it won't cause your cpu to idle at 87C

[keen zealot]

Now its down to 55 but slowly creeping up

[stoic island]

I mean the measurement

is prob crap

[earnest olive]

ah

could be

try hwinfo

[stoic island]

use like RM or hwinfo

or aida64

[keen zealot]

I'll download hwinfo

[small osprey]

worked yay

[earnest olive]

[keen zealot]

Where would I find the temps

[earnest olive]

click sensors only when it starts

[stoic island]

like dis

nice temps & stuff

[keen zealot]

Oh gotcha. Yeah my CPU isnt in the 80s so I dont know what that was about lol even DC is registering a steady 52-54

Okay, last noob question... maybe. I just realized I didnt plug in the speed control into the Deep Cool FH 10 fan hub. It says it has to plug into the CPU Fan on the mobo, but my CPU cooler is plugged into that. Can I plug the FH10 into a fan header instead?

[brittle raptor]

guys I need help in picking parts for a new system

[heady sand]

What is a good ATX case for $50-70

[verbal quarry]

i like rosewill but the case i got was $10 more

[earnest olive]

cougar mx330-g air

highest performance budget case i know of

[wanton cliff]

Phanteks P300

[earnest olive]

i'm going to strongly recommend against that case if you have any 3.5" drives

i did a build in it and the drive bay is terrible

[wanton cliff]

I don’t have an 3.5” drives

P400 has plenty of those though iirc

[earnest olive]

it also only includes 1 fan

and is more expensive than the mx330-g air that includes 3 fans

white led as well

[wanton cliff]

Ah

I’d go for that one then

The mx330

[earnest olive]

only thing i'm not thrilled about with the mx330-g air is that there's no preinstalled splitter for the 3 preinstalled fans, and mobos on this budget are often short on fan headers

[wanton cliff]

P400 I’d go for at it’s price tho

[earnest olive]

but pwm splitter isn't very costly

[wanton cliff]

Not at all

Should mount my stock fan as exhaust tomorrow instead of having 3 intake and 1 exhaust

[earnest olive]

nothing wrong with 3 intake 1 exhaust

[wanton cliff]

2 of them being high quality Noctuas at that

[wanton cliff]

Nah but it gets hot in there sometimes from air not being able to escape fast enough

[earnest olive]

poorly ventilated case?

[keen zealot]

Scratch that. I plugged the hub into the fan header and was able to change the system 1 header from DC to PWM, and it seems the fans are running as they should. Much quieter!

But now mystic light doesn’t have my ram listed to sync the RGB 🤔🤔

[earnest olive]

mystic light is honestly garbage you should see if MSIRGB supports your board

i found it to be much better when i had an MSI board

[keen zealot]

But how come switching from DC to PWM caused Dragon Center / Mystic Light to lose sync with my RAM

[muted patio]

it didn't. RGb software is really buggy

[earnest olive]

probably unrelated, mystic light likes to drop stuff all the time

[muted patio]

Just a coincidence

[keen zealot]

Huh yeah, I just restarted the comp and it’s back to syncing 🤦🏻‍♂️

[earnest olive]

i literally bought a new motherboard because i was so tired of msi software

[keen zealot]

Thanks for the help again, guys. At least I can call my build done

[earnest olive]

[little osprey]

where did that message go

[muted patio]

I suggest you take the hint that the messages were deleted.

[little osprey]

I don't see where they were deleted IU just cant find them

Does newegg pay gamersnexus for using his likeness in their emotes?

I like to build computers but I can't afford to with all this gouging

newegg is promoting the blackmarket site, Silkroad

Sponsored by some china guy

2070 is the model number, not the price to inflate the card by

was that joke good? Can I make a friend yet?

Please I am so sad

[eager flower]

I wouldn't call it promoting them

someone is just using their platform to sell something horribly overpriced

[fossil halo]

i think

im not talking enough in this server

i need vip

does anyone need help that an inexperienced teenager would be able to help with

[little osprey]

mm yes

16?

[fossil halo]

no

the point is i am not smort but i want lighter green name

yk what i mean

chaython

join in the morning afternoon ish if u can

theres a lot more ppl there then

[little osprey]

maybe you just need to be here a long time, I've built 17 computers

[fossil halo]

nah

i have a higher role than chaython i think

i have only built one computer

wait how do i not have regular

thats weird

[lethal musk]

So... just set up 9 Corsair QL120 with a commander pro and two lighting node cores all went smooth all fans are spinning but half the fans RGB isnt working all the fans on one lighting core. I had a extra so I tried swapping the lighting core I have also swapped the USB header and they both work so am I missing a step in the setup process?

[fossil halo]

holy cow

can u condense that down a bit

[eager flower]

I didn't understand that, maybe a defective commander pro

[fossil halo]

yea

most likely

[eager flower]

Lemme look up how many RGB headers it has

[fossil halo]

yea

bc each fan should connect for power and for rgb to the hub

did u do that?

each fan = 2 cables

and maybe dont put it all one one usb header use both?

idk how corsair stuff works

[lethal musk]

That would be possible but I swapped header and it worked one node core on both headers

[fossil halo]

wait lemme do some readin rq corsair is mad confusing

[eager flower]

Corsair is confusing

[fossil halo]

fr

[eager flower]

You read up on it rn, I'm gonna finish my homework, if you still are looking into this lmk

[fossil halo]

aight

[lethal musk]

Yeah I have 9 PWM wires plugged to the commander pro the off the two USB headers i have 9 RGB wires 4 on one node core and 5 on another the 4 are working the 5 r not

[eager flower]

I am back

any news?

[fossil halo]

no

i gtg

i think hes done something wrong with the wiring of the controllers tho

not sure

[grim fog]

guys should i go for a b550 mobo or a b450??????

r7 3700x cpu

[stoic island]

why b450 when you can have b550

[fossil halo]

^^

[eager flower]

B550

I already answered you in general but you saw

[sinful hornet]

My new setup looks 1000x cleaner

A before and after is in #build-pics

[eager flower]

Awesome setup!

[tender peak]

Why go with a 550 when you can have a x570 for similar price?

[eager flower]

Find an X570 at the same price

[earnest olive]

an x570 that's the same price as a b550 is generally going to be worse overall

and the x570 board has a chipset fan.. another component that can fail

[muted patio]

I thought some were going fanless now or is that only the high end stuff?

[eager flower]

^^ I should’ve clarified

[earnest olive]

very few high end ones are fanless i think

[eager flower]

Finding an X570 at the same price of a B550 with equal quality is near impossible

And the board does need cooling which is annoying

[earnest olive]

well yeah, a higher end chipset isn't free

so if they're the same price something else is being sacrificed

[eager flower]

Also isn’t the only use of an X570 PCIE gen 4 and better VRM POSSIBLY

[ripe wedge]

b550 also has pcie gen 4 iirc

[earnest olive]

chipset has nothing to do with vrm

and b550 has 20 pcie 4 lanes

you can run 1 pcie 4 gpu, 1 pcie 4 ssd, and 1 pcie 3 ssd on b550

the percentage of people who actually benefit from x570 over b550 is very little

my b550 board already has overkill vrms for a ryzen 9 5950x

so i don't know what else more you could want unless you're doing LN2 OC

but if you're doing that then you're not asking which board you should buy, you already know

[eager flower]

I thought the best of the best for OCING and VRMS are X570s

[eager flower]

MorenPCIE gen 4

[earnest olive]

why would chipset have anything to do with vrms

you could theoretically have an a320 board with the best vrms ever made

[eager flower]

Well not because of the chipset but because of a higher end mobo

[earnest olive]

nothing is stopping that from happening

[eager flower]

Lol I thought it was just another selling point of the X570

But then again my VRM knowledge is still limited

[earnest olive]

why do you think x570 is automatically higher end

[eager flower]

I gotta watch the video Mr1111 sent

I don’t think it’s higher end

[eager flower]

I just thought it was a selling point of the x570

[earnest olive]

which one looks like it has better vrms

take a guess

[eager flower]

MSI

[earnest olive]

these two boards are the exact same price

[eager flower]

MSI TYPICALLY not always has higher quality boards than asrock

[earnest olive]

?

[eager flower]

At thst price point

[earnest olive]

brand name has nothing to do with this...

[eager flower]

I guess

[earnest olive]

it's common sense

if two boards are the same price and one has a more expensive chipset

then there must be sacrifices elsewhere to meet the same price

[eager flower]

I agree though I’m not arguing against that lol

[eager flower]

I said that here

[earnest olive]

b550 boards are generally going to be better than same priced x570 boards unless you really need the niche x570 features

[earnest olive]

which is why it's disheartening that this is such a common sentiment

[eager flower]

Well yeah

I completely agree with you

I just thought X570 boards had better VRMS and I was wrong

[lethal musk]

I wired it wrong node core has to go in order from 1 to 6 i had fan in pin 3, 4, and 5. I feel dumb

[eager flower]

What do you need help with

Like what mobo

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newegg.com/amp/p/N82E16813144211

It’s overpriced but it’s there

[muted patio]

What CPU?

[eager flower]

I also would assume the mobo is discontinued that’s why

It would work, but it’s super inflated

[little osprey]

no longer made

[muted patio]

Z390 is an older chipset that has been superceded by the Z490

[eager flower]

Price is more than it should be

[little osprey]

pricer is higher than it should be

like every gpu rn

[muted patio]

This is the same board with a different chipset, Z490

Would this work?

https://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9B-13-144-300&source=region&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleBiz-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleBiz-PC-_-pla-_-Motherboards+-+Intel-_-9B-13-144-300&gclid=Cj0KCQiA9P__BRC0ARIsAEZ6irjhWu-WGyOwrSRVZAe7hW2cFfPAHtIIsH_9PLhrkHDm7BkKpt7OslQaAtTCEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

I know

[eager flower]

It’s better

[muted patio]

Yeah I forgot

[eager flower]

And still supports your CPU

[muted patio]

490 is LGA1200

[eager flower]

Wait hold up

No it doesn’t

Lol what

[muted patio]

Hmmm

lemme try something else

[earnest olive]

why do you need this specific board

aesthetics?

[eager flower]

I’m sure you can find another one you like, the Z390 board will be hard to find I doubt it’s still being manufactured

[earnest olive]

the vrms on this board are not great

you might not be able to max out the 9900K's potential on it

[eager flower]

VRMS

oh no

[earnest olive]

you're fine potentially sacrificing performance for looks?

[tender peak]

@earnest olive its an overall sentiment with a few exceptions that the b550 was introduced as a more budget friendly mobo after the x570 went out , requires less voltage as its power drain is lower but it trades off some important factors overall. The a520 and b550 both are pcie 3 lane generation whereas the 570 is pcie 4 overall. Its comparing the x570's 16 to 12 to 6 in the lane comparison which is why it the other two draw less power consumption. Granted you are still going to have the same old 1x16 or 2x8 for the pcie. Price point on alot of the b550's and x570's are around 180 to 230 bucks so its not really that much of a difference.

[earnest olive]

umm

i'm gonna stop you right there

[eager flower]

That’s a wall of text LOL

[earnest olive]

currently running my 3080 in pcie 4 mode on my b550 board

ain't nothing budget about this board

$150 and it can push a 5950x to its limit and has more pcie 4 lanes than i can use

[tender peak]

I said generally. I didn't say there wasn't room for exceptions based upon your brand manufacturer bruh

[earnest olive]

dunno where you have picked up this misinformation

no? it's not generally

b550 has 20x pcie 4 lanes

[eager flower]

I’m gonna dip now lmao

[earnest olive]

that's part of the spec

don't expect 5ghz

it won't fail but it's not a great choice for a 9900K

might be able to do 4.7-4.8

well it depends on what you think looks good

https://www.overclock.net/threads/z370-z390-vrm-discussion-thread.1638955/page-108#post-27657582

i wouldn't pay $300 for this board

how's that?

gigabyte z390 designare

slightly cheaper but much better

not great value but it has a similar look

looking at these z390 boards right now

i like this design

looks cool to me

[little osprey]

i plan on getting a 5900x and a 3080 for my build but the problem im having right now is that i have a evga 850w ga supernova PSU and ive been reading that it has problems when it comes to the 30 series (most reports are with the FTW 3080 which is not the one i plan on getting) should i get another power supply?

[earnest olive]

might as well try it

my 3080 is having zero issues with my 750w psu

it's not about brand name

msi has good models too

the z390 designare will be able to max out the 9900K yes

it's $270 though

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145110

if you like how it looks and don't mind shelling out $270 for a board then you can go for it

any z390 board is going to be pcie 3.0

and makes no difference to gpu

do you already own the 9900K?

i'm asking because you're saying first build

okay

i see

as long as the $270 price tag doesn't bother you then that's a good board

[eager flower]

Taichis have interesting designs

Personally not a fan but taichis are always interesting to see

[earnest olive]

i really like that one

[eager flower]

I think it has too much going on tbh but it’s not a bad board at all

Just not my taste

[earnest olive]

not a fan of the b550 taichi though

[fleet pagoda]

New mobo comin tmr

[earnest olive]

lol wait what there's a b550 taichi razer edition

[eager flower]

Ngl I like the x570 taichis

Yeah I like thst one lolll

Do you mean x570?

Oh there’s both

They don’t look too bad tbh

The b550 taichi is ok 570 is cooler imo and the razer ones are fine

[earnest olive]

💸

[tacit gull]

any familar with nvme temps

i think ive figured out my stuttering problem

my nvme temps are 54 samsung magician reports it as high

i set up a fan directly pointing at my nvme and temps dropped to 30 stuttering has gone away

[left niche]

@ripe wedge this is with the game running in the background

[ripe wedge]

With fans at 100%??

Strange

[left niche]

that was me trying to put them at 100 expecting a diffrence

[ripe wedge]

And ur power limit is turned down too

There’s some sort of issue we’re missing here

Post a pic of ur gpu

[left niche]

this is with evga prec what i normally use

[wheat coral]

my guess is mounting pressure

or fan issue

[left niche]

my targets are changed cause i thought that was the problem i wasnt setting it right

[wheat coral]

nah 100% is what it should be at

[left niche]

its not reading fan 2 or the third fan the cooler came with

[ripe wedge]

How tight did u tighten the cooler

[wheat coral]

it shouldnt

[ripe wedge]

Did u tighten until it was not loose or until it couldn’t anymore

[left niche]

as much as i could with being afraid if it was to tight i might break it

[wheat coral]

its reading the vbios off of your card

your card has 2 fans is my guess

[left niche]

mine was 2 stock fans yes

[ripe wedge]

You need to tighten it basically as tight as it can go

[left niche]

until i bought this new cooler

i thought i did

[ripe wedge]

I’ve repasted a gpu so I know

Did u tighten it like putting a wheel on a car?

Corner to corner?

[left niche]

i tried to install clips on the sides as well but they were made of plastic and broke

i men its not going any higher then 80

[ripe wedge]

What’s ur idle

Like complete idle

[left niche]

so i guess im wondering is that ok under max settings game over a period of 6+ hours

under idle?

hang on ill tell u

let me stop rust and ill tell u

[ripe wedge]

Ah ok

[left niche]

yea i was doing this under while the game was still on alted out lol

thought i mentioned that

[ripe wedge]

Yep

On rust u said like 60c out of the game

[left niche]

after closing rust its at 32

[ripe wedge]

That’s normal

[wheat coral]

idles dont matter

load does

[left niche]

^

thats what i thought

[ripe wedge]

Yeah true but it’s still cooling off quick

[wheat coral]

pinging random mods

k

look up a VRM tier list

[ripe wedge]

There are motherboard tier lists

[left niche]

its 29 now

[ripe wedge]

Think there’s an AMD one on LTT forum

[left niche]

the cooler box itself defined itself as it should run at max 70 temp under load

[wheat coral]

i can have my gpu on the AC cooler and have it idle at 0C

[left niche]

so i was thinking i did something worng

[wheat coral]

but when i get in game it doesnt do better than what current solution i have on the card

[ripe wedge]

80C is a little hot

[left niche]

thats what i thought

[ripe wedge]

U said that was like ur max?

[left niche]

80 to 83 under load when playing rust on max settings as u can have it

[wheat coral]

thats still ok

how does it do with 100% power limit though

because 70/80 will lower power draw significantly if its under max load

meaning less heat

[left niche]

linked?

[wheat coral]

eh doesnt matter

once you hit the 90s you get close to the nono temps

[left niche]

cause 100% power and gpu temp set to 70 i felt like it was getting a tad bit hotter

[wheat coral]

keep gpu temp limit at 90

70 is just gonna make you TT earlier/lower clocks at high load

[ripe wedge]

And 100% power

[left niche]

before i messeged the discord i had it set to 85

like this?

[wheat coral]

eh close enough

but put gpu temp to 90

[left niche]

fan speed 2 doesnt seem to matter at this point?

[wheat coral]

i guess its using your vbios for fan control

and its detecting only 2 fans

is the 3rd one spinning?

[left niche]

yes

[ripe wedge]

Hold up

I wonder

Do the stock fans spin 1 way and the other spins the other way?

Idk just a random guess

[left niche]

no i dont believe they did that

[wheat coral]

both should be blowing on the gpu

well all 3

middle one maybe not

but usually all on the gpu

[left niche]

i gues it will be fine idk

[ripe wedge]

Should be

Were there 2 separate fan plugs on ur pcb?

Or just a single plug

[little osprey]

some gpu have opposite direction fans 🤔

[left niche]

no just the one plug it came with 2 because this cooler is capable of being used with mupliple gpus so i used the one it was ment for

and no @ripe wedge one plug

[ripe wedge]

Ah

Well this is about as much as I know for cooling solutions for gpus lol. I don’t know too too much about the cooling stuff on them.

[little osprey]

3fan gigabyte using middle fan turning opposite 🤔

[ripe wedge]

Yeah my aorus master has a counter rotating fan I think in the middle

[left niche]

@little osprey it would make no sence for one fan to turn oppisite of another one a heatsink in my experiance

ive never seen that happen

[little osprey]

yep middle fan turning opposite way

[ripe wedge]

Yep thought so

[little osprey]

idk if it makes sense or not but company using it xd

[ripe wedge]

I mean my aorus master never goes above 65 C lol

But it’s a thicc Boi

[left niche]

i might just co full liquid cooling loop lol

go8

[little osprey]

i have 2 different 1660super on my different pc . gigabyte 3fan is around 60-65c . also asus tuf (very small one xd) is around 55c

[left niche]

under load?