building-and-recc-chat

[jagged spire]

This better

[muted patio]

Ok? What's the purpose of the pic?

[jagged spire]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vKG3dD

[rose jackal]

its a joke about noisy gpu's

[muted patio]

That power supply needs to go. Dangerous ratings, no protections

[jagged spire]

Sry wrong list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vKG3dD

Man same list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dHQzW3

[stoic island]

airflow good

[jagged spire]

Is it a good build

[severe axle]

get the airflow variant of the case

[muted patio]

@stoic island was it the Montech Gamma in that review you posted?

if so, I'd take that over the EVGA BR

[stoic island]

it was the century

gamma is weird

[muted patio]

Ah

Century didn't get good ratings in LTT tests

[blazing aurora]

should I go for this?

[daring berry]

Cooler or Fans

[blazing aurora]

$380 after taxes and shipping

[severe axle]

no

I wouldn't

[stoic island]

@muted patio Segotep SG-G is the interesting ones that have a good price on wegg

@daring berry get airflow case

[muted patio]

yeah, I don't like that BR

[stoic island]

220t normal has glass front

[daring berry]

Do you have the stock cooler of the CPU

[jagged spire]

Ye

[hasty tendon]

can someone help me out with cases?

[daring berry]

Because my cpu didn't came with cooler

[stoic island]

what

which cpu

All Ryzen chips before 3950x had stock cooler

5600x had stock cooler

rest don't

[daring berry]

The ryzen 5 5600x.

[stoic island]

should've came with a stealth

[hollow grail]

id do 300

[daring berry]

Oh my bad. My ryzen 7 5800x didn't came with cooler

[stoic island]

5800x doesn't

[daring berry]

Ok

[pine kayak]

anyway temps would be bad

you need good cooler for 5800x and 5900x

[daring berry]

I get an AIO cooler.

[stoic island]

and AMD came out and said high temps were fine on full load, ~95c

[daring berry]

Just finished my rig 2 days ago

[marble hedge]

Finished. Eve is where I promised

Now I can work on other people's builds

[buoyant trench]

which rtx 3070 would you recommend?

[little osprey]

good pc? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BtQzW3

[severe axle]

ssd is not good

get mp34 instead

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WyCmW3

[severe axle]

I'd get a b550-a pro instead for mobo

unless you need the extra features of x570

[little osprey]

I would like the extra features of x570 thank you very much

[severe axle]

get a cx 650 instead for psu

[little osprey]

what wrong with the br?

what about the seasonic S12III?

[wanton cliff]

Br is low quality

[severe axle]

that one is worse

[wanton cliff]

Same with S12III

Get a Focus Gold

[severe axle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/njvqqs/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4w

that memory is higher speed for same price

[wanton cliff]

Get a Seasonic Focus Gold

High quality

[little osprey]

now how about this list?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zvrxt8

[muted patio]

looks good

[civic tusk]

How does that look good

[marble hedge]

alright updated the photo. my Computer of overpricedness is complete

[civic tusk]

Pretty bad tbh

[little osprey]

how is it bad?

[civic tusk]

3600 is terrible value right now intel i5 10400/10400f is better value
x570 is a pointless chipset unless you actually plan to use the features of the chipset
Better value options exist for the ssd
Case has pretty mediocre airflow
The original model seasonic focus how known problems with ocp tripping so it is not a preferred option

[stoic island]

that keyboard is uh

interseting

Keychron would be much better

[civic tusk]

How has vintage racer got techie role if he hasn't highlighted the same problems i have

[wanton cliff]

You and your keychron keyboards smh

[little osprey]

ok x570 and ssd i can change but everything else i am not

[civic tusk]

why

you are wasting money

but hey your money feel free to waste it

[stoic island]

@civic tusk tbh imo MP34 is still the best value SSD for 1tb

[viral ore]

3600 at 199 is better than the 10400 at 170

[stoic island]

revision:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VYMnwz

[civic tusk]

in what way

[stoic island]

@viral ore 10400f is 160$ tho

so 10400f is better imo

[civic tusk]

exactly

[stoic island]

and with z490m pro4 just being 150$, same price for mobo

[viral ore]

eh yeah, i guess it is a decent bit cheaper

[stoic island]

straight up save 40$

for better performance

because again, we have good board&ram now

[civic tusk]

agree mp34 is a good ssd but let's be honest most users would be fine with a lesser priced nvme

[stoic island]

I just like it in case there's more in the future that takes use of the speed (directio), and the godly rated TBW endurance

[hollow grail]

there arent any viable lesser price ones though

[civic tusk]

there are

[stoic island]

p1 kinda thing

[hollow grail]

id tell people the extra $10 is worth for dram and tbw

[little osprey]

why would i go team blue?

[civic tusk]

dram is not needed

you had all this explained the other day

[viral ore]

@stoic island @hollow grail literally dont bother talking with this dude about storage, hes a brick wall

[civic tusk]

You got proven wrong sooooo

[hollow grail]

oh its this guy

[civic tusk]

None of you can give credible evidence as to why the average user requires a higher end ssd

[stoic island]

meh, idrc, I just like MP34 better

[viral ore]

we dont owe you anything

[stoic island]

They don't

[viral ore]

we dont have time to waste

goodbye

[civic tusk]

lol

[stoic island]

one of the only reason I say MP34 over SATA SSDs is for directio in the future

[viral ore]

google it yourself

[civic tusk]

good way to run away

[viral ore]

do your own research

[civic tusk]

i do

[viral ore]

we literally wasted our time justifying our decisions

and you just sat there and disagreed

so we dont care

[civic tusk]

You can't prove any of your points though

[muted patio]

Stop baiting.

[civic tusk]

I am stopping form poor value advice being given tbh

[muted patio]

Make your point.

[civic tusk]

I have

[next kestrel]

can you prove that dram isnt needed

[civic tusk]

Yes because HMB exists which can be used in replacement for dram in nvme drives

[viral ore]

when people see the four very active techies vs some random dude, who do you think theyre gonna believe

[muted patio]

No you come in and bait. You even admitted it. Chill. Discuss.

[viral ore]

not you lol

[civic tusk]

I am discussing

[viral ore]

we already discussed

we are done discussing

[civic tusk]

So flexing your role now are we

[viral ore]

yes

[civic tusk]

Lol should be taken of you tbh

[viral ore]

i dont even have to put in effort to

[hollow grail]

[viral ore]

people will just, naturally look at the four of us saying the same thing

and look at you disagreeing

[civic tusk]

Yeah so you all agree and that makes you right then

[viral ore]

and make their assumption

[civic tusk]

With no credible evidence to back it up

[viral ore]

not what im saying but ok

[civic tusk]

Longjohn literally proved all of you wrong the other day

[viral ore]

prolly your alt account lol

and no, he didnt

[civic tusk]

Dram drives obviously have better performance but for most users this is not a necessity

What gamers are going to utilise the speeds offered by higher end dram equipped nvme drives

[next kestrel]

gamers who like having operating systems boot fast

[civic tusk]

Then get a sata one there is no speed difference in reality

Im guessing the discussion had ended then

[wanton cliff]

Four very active techies and one very active booster

[viral ore]

[civic tusk]

So being together makes you right how arrogant and belligerent

I feel sorry for people coming here for advice

[wanton cliff]

I feel sorry to you

[civic tusk]

Good for you

Prove a point

If you want to have a discussion

[small osprey]

what

dram is useless?

not even close

[civic tusk]

Dram is not useless when did i say that

Nice strawman argument

[next kestrel]

?

[small osprey]

yea there

[viral ore]

being not needed and useless are two different things

[small osprey]

well true

[civic tusk]

Just for most users HMB equipped NVME drives are perfectly usable and fine for gamers

[wanton cliff]

“I didn’t say that”

Meep: this you?

[civic tusk]

Again i never said it was useless

If a user can leverage the performance of a higher end NVME drive with DRAM then of course go for that i would completely agree

[wanton cliff]

Idk I like my load speeds, very useful in games like Rust (takes ten minutes or more on a disc, less than 1 on my 970)

And about 3 or 4 on a low-no DRAM SSD

[civic tusk]

Prove that

[wanton cliff]

One sec

[civic tusk]

and that is one game aswell

[next kestrel]

from what i remember, GTA was super slow on my game drive

unless it was placebo

[stoic island]

GTA is always slow

Rust is the one loading-time-intensive game

anyways, NVMe and SATA drives are close enough in load times

dram vs hmb is barely a difference

[civic tusk]

Exactly that is the point im trying to make

[stoic island]

(in most cases)

[wanton cliff]

And it will soon be the standard

[wanton cliff]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QZCo0NPW_jU

[stoic island]

but it is still our preference to get dram drives

for the extra rnd 4k read and such, and the lower latency

[wanton cliff]

DRAM drives are quite faster

And can sometimes boost performance

[civic tusk]

By one game

[wanton cliff]

Not quite

[stoic island]

@civic tusk Rust is a pretty good metric though, it's a game that's very loading-time-intensive

[civic tusk]

Hmb equiped drive

[stoic island]

most cases they're close enough

[wanton cliff]

There are plenty of games that take advantage of faster drives, or simply load a hell of a lot faster

[stoic island]

Also, don't think we have real testing on hmb endurance compared to dram

[prime rapids]

im building an art station ,just for hobby ,but my comp is not enough to run Corel Painter 2021 , so i was looking at the imac 27" with 8core i7 ,512 gb's of ssd and 8gb of memory ,would that work ? thanks in advance

[wanton cliff]

This fact will soon be proven wrong with this year’s and next year’s releases, I predict.

[civic tusk]

I agree with yourself as you actually have thought to your statement and make a valid point with the one game rust

[civic tusk]

source?

[stoic island]

@wanton cliff that's why I say directio coming to PC is one of the reasons I suggest NVMe drives

lemme make sure directio is the name, brb

[wanton cliff]

Notice the part where it says ‘I predict’ at the end

[civic tusk]

Noted then

[hollow grail]

you can do better on that mac, unless you need apple specific software/the 5k display

[prime rapids]

what would you recomend?

[hollow grail]

honestly i kinda agree

most end users arent gonna need dram on a nvme ssd

[wanton cliff]

Here is lili, the drive expert

[hollow grail]

writes are already fast enough

[civic tusk]

Exactly thankyou

[stoic island]

Can't seem to find the name for the tech lel, I think it's called direct io, using GPU perf to compress and uncompress to help utilize more drive speed and slaping that into ram

[hollow grail]

but

a lot of dramless ssds are low end/budget drives

[wanton cliff]

And sometimes slower than disks

[hollow grail]

game load times will have 0 difference

btw

since dram only comes into effect on writes

[civic tusk]

well yes obviously but we are not discussing HDD here

[hollow grail]

any differences you see will be due to worse nand on the dramless drives/worse controlelrs

controllers

[wanton cliff]

I’m using them as a comparison. A DRAMless SSD can be slower than a disk, and often is

[hollow grail]

if there were 2 drives, same nand, same controllers

[stoic island]

@hollow grail do we have any testing on endurance on like E12 vs E13t

[hollow grail]

but one with no dram

[stoic island]

for dram vs hmb equipped controllers?

[hollow grail]

its the nand thats the issue

[civic tusk]

Show me real world comparisons showing this

[hollow grail]

not the controller

[stoic island]

hm

[hollow grail]

dramless sata drives are horrible

but

[wanton cliff]

You don’t necessarily need the DRAM itself, but a SSD without DRAM will usually be a slower, more budget-oriented drive

[hollow grail]

dramless nvme has hmb on its side

[stoic island]

I seem to remember dram helps a lot with wear leveling or something, so I assumed that might be controller-side differences

[hollow grail]

however dramless drives are overall worse

[hoary zephyr]

whats a good gaming laptop for 500

[hollow grail]

in terms of nand, controllers, all that fun stuff

[hoary zephyr]

need help for someone

[stoic island]

You're not gonna find a good gaming laptop for 500$

[hoary zephyr]

nah

[hollow grail]

so generally id say you might want to look at spending the extra $10-20 on a drive with dram

[stoic island]

Maybe go used and you can get a dGPU

[viral ore]

craigslist and fb marketplace

[civic tusk]

Dedicated dram has not much to do with wearing outside of the SLC cache wear

[hollow grail]

because that drive will also have better nand

[stoic island]

but I don't think there's any new laptops with dGPU for under 500

[hollow grail]

ands a better controller

[civic tusk]

That is down to memory controller

[hollow grail]

a good example of this is the helix e

or whatever its called

from mushkin

[prime rapids]

why is the imac not a good choice for ilustration?

[civic tusk]

Yes helix l good drive

[hollow grail]

honestly a good drive, but decidedly low end

[stoic island]

The performance you get for the price on Apple's products are... not great

[hollow grail]

the mp34 is specced more as a high end product

and isnt at a price point where i would deem it silly to upgrade

[stoic island]

For all I care, MP34 is a 970 evo for 110$.

[civic tusk]

For someone on a budget though every $ counts

That is all i can say

[hollow grail]

its true

[stoic island]

Yea, but extreme budget only usually goes for like single 500gb nvme drive, and nothing can beat a 50$ p2 500gb lel

[hollow grail]

i think both sides to the argument have merit

[deep current]

guys im new to the pc world but will the amd ryzen 7 3700x bottleneck the radeon 6800xt

[hollow grail]

and im happy the conversation got more civil

[civic tusk]

Im glad we could have this discussion though

[prime rapids]

im not having any luck on NewEgg

[stoic island]

the dram vs hmb is really prevalent when you can fit a 1tb drive in, and might as well spend a bit extra

[hollow grail]

i see and agree with hursty and 1111

generally like

[civic tusk]

@hollow grail Thankyou for not being as dismissive as others

[hollow grail]

500gb nvme is the sweet spot

[wanton cliff]

No, not enough for it to matter

[civic tusk]

1111 you are the same

[hollow grail]

i mean ur argument is valid

[deep current]

thanks!

[hollow grail]

because both sides are right here

no one is wrong

it just took a bit before both of you realized it :)))

[stoic island]

all personal preferences in the end on what we preferred at the price points

[wanton cliff]

Consider upgrading your CPU when you can though

[hollow grail]

dramless nvme is fine but these drives to not exist in a vacuum

do*

and at the 500gb mark

id say a drive with dram is quite a good value

[civic tusk]

Nooo i will admit if you can leverage the speed always go for a DRAM equipped NVME drive

[hollow grail]

at 1tb it becomes less so

[deep current]

nah dont got a cpu yet lol im still finding parts to build a pc

[hollow grail]

but still good

and at 2tb

you are spending too much regardless

[wanton cliff]

Soooooo... what ever happened to the guy who’s build sparked this massive argument? lol

[hollow grail]

so you might as well get a drive with dram haha

[civic tusk]

Oh yeha defo

[hollow grail]

i feel like 1tb dramless drives are the sweet spot rn

[civic tusk]

Yep best value per GB

[wanton cliff]

I like those extra read speeds

Write*

[civic tusk]

You won't really utilise it though

[hollow grail]

honestly

very few ppl use it

[wanton cliff]

Depends tbh

[hollow grail]

the writes

like i use it

[stoic island]

500gb M.2 drives sorted by price, you can't beat P2 for price to perf, but MP34 isn't that far out of reach:

[hollow grail]

i can tell if im on sata/3.0/4.0

[worn furnace]

hi me brazil help

[hollow grail]

easily

[wanton cliff]

With what?

[worn furnace]

no engliz mi pc haceado

[hollow grail]

yeah like at that 500gb mark

[wanton cliff]

This is going to be rough

[hollow grail]

id say go for it

[wanton cliff]

Time to bring out Google translate

[hollow grail]

its what like $5

id do it just because at that point

[worn furnace]

google tradutor

[civic tusk]

Only problem with the p2 i thought was poor firmware but could be wrong

[worn furnace]

tem alguem br?

[hollow grail]

now i see hursty's argument a lot more clearly when its $20

[viral ore]

crucial P5 has DRAM

[hollow grail]

between helix and mp34

[viral ore]

fyi

[worn furnace]

help mi pc hackeado

[wanton cliff]

o que quer dizer “hackeado”

[hollow grail]

because that can go somewhere else

but also

[stoic island]

oh alright

[viral ore]

P5 is pretty much another midrange cookie cutter ssd like the mp34

[worn furnace]

esta sendo invadido

[stoic island]

mp34 is just 1$ more so I kinda ignored all of em

[hollow grail]

no one needs more than 256gb of ssd anyways

[civic tusk]

mp 34 is better though for the money

[hollow grail]

no one really needs that access time on a full tb of data

[wanton cliff]

diga-me o que está acontecendo. também estou usando o Google Translate.

[stoic island]

it's just nice to have

[hollow grail]

unless ur crazy like me

its nice to have but like

[wanton cliff]

Or me with 2tb

[worn furnace]

ok

[stoic island]

I can usually fit an extra like 20$ in things at 1000+$ budgets

[hollow grail]

my point is if ur looking for budget

ur not getting 1tb

which sort of breaks the whole dramless ssd at $100 thing

because

its either 1tb dramless ssd

or a cheap 500gb

[worn furnace]

eu estava mechendo no meu pc quando derepente meu avast disse q eu estava sendo rastreado e que estavao pegando meus dados

[hollow grail]

and a nice 2tb wd blue

which i think is more of the "sweet spot"

[wanton cliff]

He is saying that Avast is giving him an alert

He is being tracked or something

I don’t think this is a problem we can solve

[hollow grail]

fake vpn ad

[worn furnace]

@wanton cliff dai eu fui ver oque estava sendo executado e não achei nada até que eu achei um programa chamado kmpico e fui pesquisar o que era desintalei e desablitei mas ele não saiu do meu pc

[hollow grail]

tell him to uninstall avast using this https://www.avast.com/en-us/uninstall-utility

[civic tusk]

Muskin pilot e 2tb i saw for $196 on a sale the other day which for that quality of drive i thought was a great deal

[hollow grail]

if it is the free version

[wanton cliff]

você tem o Avast instalado no seu computador ou é algum tipo de anúncio?

[hollow grail]

im talking hdd

saying for 100

its either 1tb nvme

[worn furnace]

ja tenho o avast

[hollow grail]

or a $50 500gb nvme and a $50 2tb hdd

[wanton cliff]

He said he tried some malware removal tool that Avast apparently gave him and it didn’t work

[civic tusk]

Yeah agree with that direction for most

[worn furnace]

voces conhecem o kmpico?

[hollow grail]

i feel like thats the sweet spot for builds rn

id even say for high end systems

that more than that is overkill

ssd wise

like only thing id change for high end

is get a 4tb drive

[civic tusk]

@hollow grail Anyway i gotta go glad we could have this discussion rather than it just being very shot down

[stoic island]

I personally like 1tb ssd over 500gb+2tb, I mean, it's one click on my end instead of 2 >:D

[hollow grail]

smh lazy

[hollow grail]

it was honestly good and i hope ppl can learn something abt storage from it

cheers

[wanton cliff]

não. Além disso, acho que houve um erro na tradução, pois eu estava perguntando se era a versão gratuita ou paga do Avast?

[stoic island]

Look, I have to either keep an eye on price, and find 2 parts, or keep an eye on price and find 1 part.

:p

[hollow grail]

[stoic island]

Look at my status

[hollow grail]

im the storage queen so i have to worry abt storage 24/7

[wanton cliff]

Being lazy gang

[small osprey]

being lazy?

[wanton cliff]

No, you are now my mother.

[worn furnace]

é a gratuita mas eu peguei de graça por uma semana

do you know the kmpico program? I disabled it I realized it was a hack

[hollow grail]

@wanton cliff do i need to pull up a translator for this

[wanton cliff]

I’ll try and translate

[muted patio]

Oh

[viral ore]

we have an english only rule here

[muted patio]

KMSPICO, windows activation tool

[hollow grail]

kmspico is a tool used to activate windows illegally, it is seen as a virus from most AV vendors

[wanton cliff]

He is saying that avast said that he was getting tracked and gave him some malware removal tool which, as far as I can tell, gave him more problems than it solved

[worn furnace]

but it didn't leave my pc

[hollow grail]

sounds liks avast

[wanton cliff]

The tool being called kmpico

[muted patio]

Kmspico

[wanton cliff]

Yeah that

[muted patio]

they had it wrong

[hollow grail]

kmspico is a windows crack tool

lol

[muted patio]

Yep

So enough of that 😉

[hollow grail]

and not even a good one

[wanton cliff]

Time for a reinstall

[viral ore]

kmspico is a whack crack tool

[muted patio]

Any A/V should be able to get rid of it though

[hollow grail]

id just wipe and reinstall

[muted patio]

It's not that nasty

[viral ore]

kms38 best

[hollow grail]

ur overestimating avast

[hollow grail]

coding ur own better

[viral ore]

ick

[civic tusk]

@viral ore @muted patio Apologies for any winding up or anger caused i just wanted to have an informed discussion that was all. This has now been done with lili and mr1111 so i bid you a good day

[viral ore]

i no code

[hollow grail]

jk i just audited mine

[wanton cliff]

você pode ter que reinstalar o Windows

[hollow grail]

hwid activation baybee

[steel tartan]

So I just put my ssd into my computer and loading up bios

[cursive wharf]

code a coder then you no code

[hollow grail]

tell them to do it from usb

[wanton cliff]

também é um notebook ou um computador de mesa real?

[hollow grail]

nuke it from orbit

[worn furnace]

isso apareceu para mim mas estou com medo pois sei que muitos hacks começao a funcionar depois que o pc é reiniciado e alem disso do nada ele começou a travar muito e bugar tudo

[worn furnace]

notbook

eu pedi ajuda na microsoft vou colocar tudo o que eu escrevi la aqui

[wanton cliff]

apenas acalme-se, certo? você vai precisar de um pen drive com pelo menos 8 gigabytes de armazenamento.

[worn furnace]

não tenho pendrive

[wanton cliff]

He doesn’t have a flash drive

você pode ir na loja e comprar um?

[steel tartan]

Should I activate my ssd as my boot drive

[wanton cliff]

Yes

Very yes

[worn furnace]

agora não pois esta tudo fechado

[steel tartan]

So like that

[wanton cliff]

talvez algo como Amazon então?

[wanton cliff]

I suppose so

[worn furnace]

amazon só existe no eua aqui é só o site

[wanton cliff]

bem, você vai precisar de um pen drive, porque de alguma forma foi infectado por malware. se você tiver alguma maneira de obter uma unidade flash, use-a.

[worn furnace]

nos eua agora sao 17hr aqui no brasil é 19

o que eu teria que fazer com o pendrive?

[wanton cliff]

baixe o windows nele e reinstale-o em seu sistema. isso eliminará todas as informações do seu sistema. é realmente sua única opção aqui.

Also sorry y’all for breaking rule 13. This man accidentally downloaded a virus that Avast gave him.

[worn furnace]

nesse horario por causa da quarentena esta tudo fechado

[wanton cliff]

tente obter um da Amazon ou Newegg ou algo parecido. o que quer que seja enviado para onde você está atualmente.

[worn furnace]

para chegar algo da amazon demora meses

[wanton cliff]

pelo menos 8 gigabytes

[hollow grail]

s tier support but we are eng only here

[worn furnace]

pois ela só fica nos eua e nada sera intrego ainda hoje

[wanton cliff]

então, infelizmente, seu notebook ficará inutilizável por meses.

[wanton cliff]

Ik ik, rule 13. Avast gave him a virus

Hate that piece of software

[hollow grail]

nah he downloaded a virus and hes either stupid or the translator is

[wanton cliff]

Why is that lol

[hollow grail]

kmspico is a windows cracktool

[wanton cliff]

Why would Avast give it to him then lol

[hollow grail]

i bet he downloaded that then his avast free av was like wtf

[hollow grail]

spoiler: avast didnt give it to him

i like to hate avast but their product is good

[blazing aurora]

kek

[wanton cliff]

From what I can tell, he is saying that Avast said to use this tool to get rid of some pesky hackers stealing his information, and it broke in him.

[hollow grail]

it will catc hthat

[hollow grail]

avast advertises a vpn

to keep hackers from spying on u

[wanton cliff]

I get that

But he still downloaded some sort of malware

Whatever the cause was

[hollow grail]

and it sounds like avast removed it

[worn furnace]

eu tambem tentei usar o vpn mais não ia

[hollow grail]

what does that say

[wanton cliff]

I also tried to use vpn but I wasn't going

Sounds like he already had the Avast VPN

Lemme ask

qual VPN era?

[hollow grail]

sara this is where u give him the uninstall tool for avast

[wanton cliff]

Yeah yeah ik

[hollow grail]

and the install link to bitdefender

and let him figure out the rest

[wanton cliff]

His laptop is unusable tho

[worn furnace]

eu tinha mas estava desativado um dia eu ativei mas ele desativou sozinho

[wanton cliff]

Is what he is sayin

[hollow grail]

that is not an us problem

[wanton cliff]

“I had it but it was disabled one day I activated it but it disabled it by itself”

[hollow grail]

and this is too much not english being spoken

[worn furnace]

o do que o windows me ofereceu

[hollow grail]

in this english only server

[wanton cliff]

Windows offered it to him

[blazing aurora]

props to sara for being bilingual tho

[wanton cliff]

Interesting

[viral ore]

google translate lmao

[hollow grail]

with the power of google translate all is possible

[wanton cliff]

Google translate

[desert gulch]

lol i know spanish

[viral ore]

everyone is multilingual nowadays

[wanton cliff]

It’s portugese

[hollow grail]

i am still very proud of my daughter tho

[desert gulch]

oh it is?

lol saw a few words and thought of spanish

very similar

[wanton cliff]

I am Bilingual but it’s Lithuanian not Portugese

[worn furnace]

esse

[blazing aurora]

switching between google translate and discord is tough

[wanton cliff]

Portugal and Spain are like right next to each other

[small osprey]

wait so u used google translate

[hollow grail]

tell this mf to run this https://www.avast.com/en-us/uninstall-utility and then run this https://www.bitdefender.com/solutions/free.html

[small osprey]

...

[worn furnace]

mas ele não conectava

[wanton cliff]

Lemme explain: I know Lithuanian, but I am using GT to translate his words here

[blazing aurora]

pressing alt-tab requires a lot of finger strength

[hollow grail]

and for good measure run this https://www.malwarebytes.com/adwcleaner/

and then to go away until theyre able to speak english in this english only server

[wanton cliff]

essa VPN serve apenas se você possuir um servidor em outra área que deseja usar como VPN, e não um que já possa ser usado.

[next kestrel]

[wanton cliff]

Swiping with the new iPhone is easier

[hollow grail]

sara pls no continue this

tell them what i said and drop it

[worn furnace]

ata

[wanton cliff]

baixe as ferramentas que Lili está vinculando e use-as.

[hollow grail]

[wanton cliff]

Surprised that word is allowed here but g*y (which is what I am) isn’t lol

[blazing aurora]

that's surprising

[still roost]

orange juice#1641 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[wanton cliff]

Literally got banned like 2 days ago for saying g*y

[blazing aurora]

aaaand there it is

[hollow grail]

because ppl use it as an insult

[wanton cliff]

Had to get Ghosty or someone to invite me back

[fossil halo]

wow

imagine

being banned for saying

[blazing aurora]

NO

[wanton cliff]

I think you were there actually, bigga

[fossil halo]

really?

[wanton cliff]

Yeah

2 days ago

[fossil halo]

i think i remember u got warned

but u got kicked?

[wanton cliff]

Yeah lol

[fossil halo]

i got kicked once lmao then i was more careful since then

[wanton cliff]

Ghosty or someone was there too and they had to invite me back lol

[fossil halo]

lmfao

[hollow grail]

hey i was there too

i laughed at u and didnt do anything

[fossil halo]

are there any cheaper zen 3's that are going to come out anytime soon?

[hollow grail]

but mama was there

[fossil halo]

btw

[hollow grail]

[fossil halo]

wow

lili is sara's mom

[hollow grail]

yea

[fossil halo]

and sara is lili's daughter

i see

[worn furnace]

ok

[hollow grail]

yeah crazy how those 2 things go together

[fossil halo]

the storage queen and the troubleshooting lady

so then

sara is the troubleshooting princess

not just lady

[hollow grail]

true

[small osprey]

ah ok

[fossil halo]

well then i bow down before the storage queen and troubleshooting princess

as i am a pleb rookie

elite rokie*

LMAO

[wanton cliff]

everyone is a rookie

even mike

[fossil halo]

wait how to get vip

[wanton cliff]

am I VIP now?

[hollow grail]

be cool

[wanton cliff]

get level 30

[hollow grail]

no

[wanton cliff]

im at level 29

[fossil halo]

hes not a rookie lmao

[wanton cliff]

then he is the only one

everyone else is a rookie tho

even Tomie

[fossil halo]

how to check rank

[wanton cliff]

do !rank in #ranks-and-levels

[hollow grail]

when u hit vip ill do something special

[fossil halo]

aight

lmao

im level 20

[wanton cliff]

also

[fossil halo]

lol

[wanton cliff]

lili adopted me irl

basically

[fossil halo]

wow

damn

imagine having a mother who is a storage queen

[hollow grail]

yea

[wanton cliff]

imagine having a daughter who is the build help lady

[fossil halo]

tru

[wanton cliff]

and the troubleshooting lady

[fossil halo]

yea

[hollow grail]

if sara needs to store anything she just asks mommy

[fossil halo]

im just the rgb fusion ass bigga who wants a rtx 3060

[wanton cliff]

with your 80tb of NASes

[fossil halo]

LOL

[hollow grail]

200

[wanton cliff]

even better lol

[fossil halo]

i mean sara needs space to store her troubleshooting tips

[hollow grail]

true

also did u hear

[fossil halo]

her intelligence is rather vast

[hollow grail]

an ltt member died

[fossil halo]

BRUH who

[hollow grail]

made me kinda depressed

[fossil halo]

who

who

[wanton cliff]

I did actually

[hollow grail]

lemme check

tyler

[wanton cliff]

also, lili definetly did NOT help me get Cyberpunk for free through her CDN. That did NOT happen.

[fossil halo]

LOL

ofc

[hollow grail]

[fossil halo]

cyberDONK

[hollow grail]

https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1343300486011576321

Linus Tech Tips (@LinusTech)

We lost a member of the LMG family over the holiday.

Tyler worked tirelessly behind the scenes and brought joy to so many, but more importantly, he was a wonderful friend with a heart of gold.

Retweets

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42995

Twitter · Dec 27, 2020, 8:59 PM

:((((((((((

[fossil halo]

oh no

wait thats actually sad

[wanton cliff]

may he rest in piece

[fossil halo]

yes

the dudes behind the camera never get enough attention fr

[wanton cliff]

tru

same thing happened to that one guy from Game Theory

except his death was on purpose

[fossil halo]

bruh

[hollow grail]

https://www.gofundme.com/f/tyler-curry-memorial-fund?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer

this was a rly sad read

[wanton cliff]

If I had money I would def donate

[fossil halo]

if i could donate i would have there

pc building makes me broke

[hollow grail]

am happy to see this tho

[fossil halo]

wow

fr

[wanton cliff]

spent all my money donating to the funeral of a friend who died already, alongside Gordon Ramsay believe it or not

[fossil halo]

i mean ltt has a special place in everyone's heart

[wanton cliff]

even if we do hate on them sometimes

[fossil halo]

like ig he has become a bit of a sellout over the years

yea

but still

[wanton cliff]

you say 'he' as if LTT is one person

[fossil halo]

his channel is like the backbone of tech youtube

i mean

ltt really referes to linus

[hollow grail]

its called linus tech tips for a reason

[fossil halo]

lmg refers to all the dudes

[hollow grail]

hes the personality

[fossil halo]

linus media group

[wanton cliff]

no Anthony is the one we really like

[fossil halo]

ah yes

we do all love anthony

[wanton cliff]

the balding, fat, loveable mess of a man

[fossil halo]

but i mean tbh riley's probably my favorite

hes actually funny

[wanton cliff]

riley is good

[fossil halo]

riley's techlinkeds are good

[wanton cliff]

Sarah Butt too

[fossil halo]

sarah butt fr

shes the goat behind secret shopper pt 2

i actually watched all of those videos

[wanton cliff]

same

secret shopper I love actually

[hollow grail]

lol yea

[wanton cliff]

*love cringing at

those horrible PCs

lol

[fossil halo]

like they kinda bully her as like a "average person"

lmao

like in the cardboard pc case section

that video was funny

[wanton cliff]

remember when Linus was the 'clumsy lesbian' until he grew a beard lol

[hollow grail]

femboy linus when

[wanton cliff]

soon

[fossil halo]

i like how this is what we talk about in build chat until someone comes in with a legitimate build question

[wanton cliff]

please

[fossil halo]

then everyone activates tech tips mode

[hollow grail]

i will give u my tech tip

[fossil halo]

LMAO WHAT

that is funi

yes

[wanton cliff]

femboy Linus when

Sarah Butt

lmao the word g*y is banned

[fossil halo]

https://tenor.com/view/carrot-time-haram-haram-haram-bull-gif-15403668

[fossil halo]

LOL

fr

[wanton cliff]

I love thus server tbh

[fossil halo]

fr

same

everyone so chill

mostly*

[wanton cliff]

the only one (except my private one) that I have actually spent time on

[fossil halo]

general is a strange place tho

[wanton cliff]

yeah

special chat too

[fossil halo]

i like to stay in the realative tranquility of build chat

[wanton cliff]

oh wait im not supposed to talk about special chat

[fossil halo]

general is a dumpster fire

LOL is that like a high role special chat

[wanton cliff]

Boosters and techies

[fossil halo]

i see

[hollow grail]

https://twitter.com/LinusTechTip_/status/1345092214200946689?s=20

LinusTechTip (@LinusTechTip_)

nvidia is now making gpus that can game

Retweets

127

Likes

2329

Twitter · Jan 1, 2021, 7:39 PM

[wanton cliff]

and everything above

[hollow grail]

https://twitter.com/LinusTechTip_/status/1345092318202900480?s=20

LinusTechTip (@LinusTechTip_)

they should stop

Likes

881

Twitter · Jan 1, 2021, 7:39 PM

[fossil halo]

i mean what is talked about there

not like anyone there4 needs tech tips

[wanton cliff]

they should stop

lol

linus

you rascal

[fossil halo]

wait how do you quote now

they took out quoting

[hollow grail]

https://twitter.com/LinusTechTip_/status/1332904343981486081?s=20

LinusTechTip (@LinusTechTip_)

tech tip today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't have a disc drive on your compuer? don't worry, you can still burn cds the old fashioned way:

Retweets

259

Likes

2271

Twitter · Nov 29, 2020, 4:28 AM

[wanton cliff]

with one of these and a space >

[fossil halo]

oh

lemme try

[wanton cliff]

oh wait no

i thought you meant

[wanton cliff]

nevermind

[fossil halo]

what

[wanton cliff]

what are you on rn

[fossil halo]

pc

[wanton cliff]

oh wait you quoted already

no thats a reply

[fossil halo]

hi scrubbingsoapbubbles are you here to give us a legitimate techtip question

[wanton cliff]

yeah nevermind my nevermind lol

[fossil halo]

bruh

my g just dipped

[wanton cliff]

i did that once

pretty fun watching it burn tbh

[fossil halo]

wow

[wanton cliff]

poked it and all the inside contents popped out real fast

[fossil halo]

violence

[hollow grail]

so rude

[wanton cliff]

I like fire

[fossil halo]

i do too actually

playing with fire is so fun

[wanton cliff]

i like watching things b u r n

[fossil halo]

fr

[wanton cliff]

fun fact

my dad was kicked out of his boy scouts because he burned down the whole camp while everyone was sleeping. Luckily, no one was (Seriously) hurt

[fossil halo]

yes sara please do enlighten us with the fun fact

LMFAO

wait

[keen zealot]

What do you guys think is more aesthetically pleasing, keeping the GPU cable where it’s at or run it through the sliding door at the bottom 🤔🤔

[wanton cliff]

I like it how it is. Sexy GPU btw

[muted patio]

Keep it where it's at

[keen zealot]

Thanks 🙂 really happy with it being my first build

[fossil halo]

which

gpu

[keen zealot]

I’ll keep it then, thanks for the input

3070

Wanted the 3080 but wasn’t so lucky

[fossil halo]

wow

[wanton cliff]

imagine your first build being like 3x better than my current build

[fossil halo]

LOL

[keen zealot]

Lmao 😅

Went overboard so I wouldn’t have to upgrade for awhile

[fossil halo]

my first build is rtx 3070 and gt 710

[wanton cliff]

huh?

[fossil halo]

wait

no

ryzen 7 3700x

hi guys my name is biggasamboori and i dont know how to type

bruh its in my name KEK

@keen zealot

[keen zealot]

Yo

[fossil halo]

send ur picture in #build-pics

[keen zealot]

I have one in there, build isnt 100% yet. I got 3 fans and a fan hub coming in tomorrow and it’ll be done

I’ll post a new photo when I get that installed

[wanton cliff]

very yes

[keen zealot]

As for specs tho, I can share here in the meantime

Phanteks p500a case
MSI x570 Tomahawk
Ryzen 7 5800
Dark Rock Pro 4 air cooler
RTX 3070
G.Skill Trident Neo 2x16
Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD 2TB
Corsair RM750

[wanton cliff]

sexy

[keen zealot]

And then I threw an Elgato 4k60 Pro capture card in there Monday for streaming

[wanton cliff]

ram speed?

[fossil halo]

twow

wow

[keen zealot]

Supposed to be 3600 CL16, but it’s not reading that

[fossil halo]

my pc just died

wth

[muted patio]

XMP/DOCP

[wanton cliff]

did you change it in BIOS?

[muted patio]

In the BIOS

[fossil halo]

u gotta overclock in bios

[keen zealot]

And when I tried to change it in BIOS, it wouldn’t

[wanton cliff]

technically not an OC

[fossil halo]

thats funny

[fossil halo]

tru

[keen zealot]

I think it’s the BIOS update maybe? I tried to change it once and had to remove the battery to reset

[fossil halo]

idk my ram doesnt run at 3200mhz either

whatever

[wanton cliff]

doubt it. Go in and press f7

[muted patio]

Are you running the newest BETA BIOS?

[fossil halo]

OH NONONONON

poo will come out

[wanton cliff]

french man

Non

[fossil halo]

7 pounds to be exact

soapbubbles confused asf KEK

[keen zealot]

Negative

[muted patio]

The one dated 2020-11-04?

[wanton cliff]

did you press F7?

[fossil halo]

wait

[muted patio]

7C84v14

[fossil halo]

i actually enabled xmp

but my ram is still running at 2400mhz

kek

[wanton cliff]

imagine enabling XMP on an AMD board

cant relate

[fossil halo]

what u have intel?

[keen zealot]

One sec, I had to backdate the bios update because the newest before the beta version kept restarting into bios Instead of windows

[fossil halo]

no u dont

u have a 3800

[wanton cliff]

dont you have Intel?

[fossil halo]

no

[wanton cliff]

thats what I thought

[fossil halo]

my specs are in my name kek

[wanton cliff]

so how can you enable XMP on an AMD board?

[fossil halo]

wait

[wanton cliff]

i simply dont think you can

[fossil halo]

is that only an intel thing?

[wanton cliff]

yes

[fossil halo]

how do i oc my ram to 3200mhz then

[wanton cliff]

DOCP

XMP is an Intel trademark, so AMD had to come up with a different name basically

[fossil halo]

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-3000MHz-PC4-24000-TF3D416G3000HC16CDC01/dp/B07RWDKZ2D?th=1

[wanton cliff]

called DOCP Standard, or simply DOCP

[fossil halo]

this is my ram

[keen zealot]

@wanton cliff F7 in the BIOS?

[wanton cliff]

yes

never used an MSI board but that should bring you to where you need to be

[keen zealot]

One sec, lemme reset the comp and go to bios, should I update to the newest version of the bios first or does that matter

[wanton cliff]

not at all

after that, go to AI tweaker and look around for DOCP

(MSI uses AI Tweaker right?)

[keen zealot]

@muted patio since you asked, I’m on 7C84v13. When I flashed the v14 bios, my comp would only boot to BIOS instead of windows, so I flashed to v13

[wanton cliff]

makes sense

[fossil halo]

yo wtf

my pc

just went black

[wanton cliff]

did you press F7?

[fossil halo]

and then rebooted

what is going on

[wanton cliff]

thermal reset probably

[keen zealot]

Going to bios now

[fossil halo]

what

how

[wanton cliff]

your pc got too hot

so it reset

it happens

[fossil halo]

wait bruh

really?

[wanton cliff]

manually check temperature of your pc

[fossil halo]

is there like a log

[wanton cliff]

what with your hand and such

[fossil halo]

to check how it rebooted

[keen zealot]

F7 brought me to the advanced menu

[wanton cliff]

ok

check around for AI tweaker at the top, and then something like DOCP or DOCP Standard

[fossil halo]

yo

dude

im spooked asf

[wanton cliff]

how hot are the metal parts of your PC?

your GT 710, for example?

touch them with your hand to see

if they are way hot then it was likely a thermal thing

[keen zealot]

This is all I see regarding RAM

[wanton cliff]

can you configure anything?

[viral ore]

A-XMP is disabled, so enable it

[small osprey]

turn on xmp

[wanton cliff]

never used MSI BIOS before

[wanton cliff]

AMD board

[viral ore]

its an msi board, actually

[small osprey]

lol

[keen zealot]

I turned on A-XMP before, it caused my comp to not turn on. Had to remove the battery from MOBO to fix

[wanton cliff]

you know what I mean

[viral ore]

lol

[viral ore]

how long did you let your system sit for?

[fossil halo]

what is going on

[keen zealot]

What if I changed the frequency from auto to 3600

[fossil halo]

none of my temps

[wanton cliff]

that may work

[fossil halo]

are going above 60 C

[wanton cliff]

however

[fossil halo]

and it just restarted again

[keen zealot]

I don’t remember, this was the night I first built and was following a Jay video

[wanton cliff]

odd

[wanton cliff]

at least 10 minutes?

[viral ore]

initial memory training can take a bit longer than usual

[fossil halo]

yo

please

[viral ore]

like, ~20 seconds longer

[fossil halo]

someone

[wanton cliff]

this never happens on Asus boards

[fossil halo]

help

[viral ore]

at most

[fossil halo]

pls

build help princess

[keen zealot]

I’m pretty sure it was way less then 10 minutes. As soon as it happened, I came here and Vintage told me to remove the battery

[fossil halo]

i humbly request thine assistance

[wanton cliff]

it's just resetting?

[fossil halo]

like

my screen goes black

and it restarts

[viral ore]

you have 2x8gb mem kit installed right?

i would assume so

[keen zealot]

2x16

[fossil halo]

wow

[wanton cliff]

in the second and 4th slot right?

[keen zealot]

Yeah

[fossil halo]

could honestly be a gt710 issue

[hollow grail]

big ram

[viral ore]

eh, set a manual clock of 3200, leaving timings manual

[fossil halo]

gt710 ass

[viral ore]

see what it do

[keen zealot]

Ill enable A-XMP again and report back what it does

[wanton cliff]

usually doesnt cause entire PC to restart

[little osprey]

710 is fine if you looking for a cheap display adapter

[fossil halo]

my temps are fine

[wanton cliff]

he is saying he is having 710 related problems

[fossil halo]

lmao

jeez

like i manually rebooted

[hybrid parrot]

Any one know last time 3080 graphics cards were on sale?

[wanton cliff]

never lol

[little osprey]

ah, i though he was trashing on 710 lol

[keen zealot]

Last time I chose profile 1, does it matter which tho

[fossil halo]

join this discord

i can send a link

they tell you when stuff is in stock

[hybrid parrot]

Aight

[fossil halo]

like i think zen 3 rdna 2 ampere ps5 etc

[wanton cliff]

Nvidia GPUs are being scalped. They wont be on sale for a long time.

[little osprey]

sale on 3080? in middle of pandemic and import tax from china?

[fossil halo]

i think he means

like

in stock

[wanton cliff]

also SCALP

[hybrid parrot]

Yeah i noticed i was gonna buy one for 1500$ then i was like wait base price is 600$😂

[keen zealot]

@viral ore does it matter which XMP profile I choose?

[fossil halo]

KEK

[wanton cliff]

whichever one is closest to your factory rating

3600 I believe?

[fossil halo]

wait like this is scary

do i have a virus?

[viral ore]

no

[fossil halo]

i did a malwarebytes scan and i got nothing

[keen zealot]

Both profiles say DDR4 3600MHz

[fossil halo]

is there a defender antivirus scan that i can do

[wanton cliff]

unlikely

[wanton cliff]

yes

[viral ore]

could be subtiming differences, might be worth it to try both of them anyway

but idrk

[fossil halo]

how

i am very scared right now

[keen zealot]

Alright, it’s doing the same as before. PC is on, fans and lights are on, but black screen

[viral ore]

wait a little bit longer

[keen zealot]

MOBO DRAM light is on

[viral ore]

ok

i would try doing a manual overclock

basically try 3200, set voltage to 1.35, leave everything else auto

[keen zealot]

One sec, lemme take the battery out of the mobo

If the XMP did work, got long would it take to post

[civic tusk]

What ram kit is the guy using and what motherboard

[viral ore]

it varies, but not significantly longer

sometimes it the same

[keen zealot]

MSI x570 tomahawk
G.Skill 3600 CL16 2x16

[wanton cliff]

yeah that

[civic tusk]

Ah okay so good motherboard and ram then

[wanton cliff]

TridentZ Neo if that matters as well

[keen zealot]

Just won’t post when I enable xmp

[civic tusk]

Xmp should enable no problem then

[wanton cliff]

for christ's sake its DOCP

[keen zealot]

And bios is at v13 if that matters

[civic tusk]

DOCP is only listed in asus bios though

So easier to say xmp

For clarity

[keen zealot]

Lmao sara it’s listed as XMP on my menu tho 💀

[viral ore]

same difference, its the same thing

[wanton cliff]

XMP is an intel trademark

[viral ore]

they are literally interchangable

[fossil halo]

lmao