#building-and-recc-chat

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civic tusk
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so what are you saying only $120 + nvme drives are good for OS

muted patio
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No

viral ore
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those drives are fine for game storage, where writes are uncommon

viral ore
civic tusk
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how is the mx500 or helix l not acceptable for a boot drive

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mx500 even has the dram you are so keen to mention

viral ore
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dram makes a difference, write endurance makes a difference

civic tusk
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helix l has same rated write endurance as 970 evo

steel yacht
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How about this

civic tusk
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obviously 970 evo will do more

steel yacht
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It boots faster then a hdd

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So we on good terms

civic tusk
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only vintage has given any real evidence to the contrary

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I still can't understand why you think either drive would not be acceptable for a boot drive

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If you drop down to the 500gb tier in the US nvme drives are actually cheaper than sata drives

viral ore
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and that's exactly what I would suggest

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and have been suggesting

civic tusk
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so after all this your only suggestion is to get a smaller ssd

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good advice.....

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anyway good speaking to you im out

steel yacht
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XD

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This was cancer

muted patio
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Nah

stoic island
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What happened here...

next kestrel
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interesting

little osprey
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Is this good for the price

muted patio
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That thing is huge, gotta watch ram overhang

little osprey
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I have trident z ram

muted patio
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yeah

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Probs not a good choice then

little osprey
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Dang

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Ya don’t think it would fit?

muted patio
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Neo is tall ram

little osprey
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I don’t have neo

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I just have the norm

stoic island
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Trident z RGB/Neo/Regular are all the same size

little osprey
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What would be a good cooling alternative

muted patio
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What are you trying to cool?

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That 3600?

little osprey
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Oh yeah buddy

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I’m getting it overclocked big time

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I’m trying to beat a friend

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aio 😇

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In a competition

muted patio
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Or an AIO

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OR

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a Noctua if you want to spend the money

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NH12 or 14

little osprey
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I was hoping for it to be in the same price range

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u can buy just coolermaster ml240 rgb about 60-70 bucks

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Is it good

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I using it on my 3600 and its pretty cool . i not overclocking btw

muted patio
little osprey
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Hideous

little osprey
muted patio
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cooling though

little osprey
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Well I still want it to look good

muted patio
little osprey
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to me , water cooling is better than air in any way

little osprey
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@muted patio is that be quiet or the aio better performance

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The aio war pig sent

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It’s an asetek design most likely

muted patio
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I mean, AIO's are nice

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but the Dark Rock is better than that one

little osprey
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Cooling wise

muted patio
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ye

little osprey
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Corsair aio bad for performance

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To price

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its little expensive yea but i got it on deal much cheaper xd

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it keeping my 9700k at 50-55c under load

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again no overclock xd

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Why no overclock

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idk i just cringe about overclock lol

muted patio
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It's fine if you don't overdo it

little osprey
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Overclocking is so fun

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And I’m probably overdoing it

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Almost definitely am

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actually i don't need it tho . 9700k is pretty much for my work on clock speed too

little osprey
little osprey
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omg lol

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Dude I got 4.45 GHZ on wraith spiral @little osprey

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Don’t underestimate KEKW

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i built with it first while waiting another cooler arrives and it was 60-70c under 20-30% load lol

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Mines not like that

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then got coolermaster t400pro air cooler it made much cool but its too loud and not enough

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Mine runs WAYY cooler than that

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Also I use noctua NT H1 tp

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my case fans are not good its stock case fan xd

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Lol

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but ofc aio did better job . it keeping 50-60c under heavy load

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I’m at 1.35 volt rn

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Probably the PEAK of supposedly safe voltages

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yes its peak for 3600 ig

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Will still get degraded most likely

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Hopefully not

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Not noticeably at least

smoky kelp
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Yo does anyone have a really good pc build for 1.2k?

little osprey
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maybe i5 10400 with 3060 ti 🤔

worn cedar
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Not related but look at this menace...

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Whoever did this deserves jail time 😭😭

last blaze
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The verge

uneven mist
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th rests of my parts should come today : )

wanton cliff
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question

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what is this

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and do I need it

muted patio
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m.2 drive heatsink

wanton cliff
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it was on top of the M.2 area btw

muted patio
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goes on drive

wanton cliff
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gets up to 70 degrees according to drive wizard

muted patio
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yes

little osprey
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should fit any m.2 of that size

wanton cliff
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2280 form factor

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cool

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So I just screw it on then?

little osprey
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seems like it.

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because of the holes

wanton cliff
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lit

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thanks

little osprey
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some mobos also comes with intregated heatsinks for m.2

wanton cliff
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ping me if yall need anything

wanton cliff
little osprey
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nice.

little osprey
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So the meshify c case, can it support double fans, like one on the inside and one on the outside in the same area

muted patio
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Why would you do that?

little osprey
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Supreme airflow

muted patio
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It's like putting a wall in front of a fan that close together

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There needs to be some distance between them

little osprey
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So it’s not smart

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?

muted patio
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Not really

little osprey
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But supreme airflow

muted patio
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It's not going to turbocharge the air or increase the flow or anything

little osprey
civic tusk
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Lol

tender peak
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Nah, it just creates a vortex of air gap between the two resulting in negative pressures which in turn end up lessening the effects of both

little osprey
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NT H2 is really good paste right

tender peak
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That's the noctua stuff yeah?

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It'll do.

civic tusk
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Thermal grizzly kryonaut is better

little osprey
civic tusk
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How to quantify that.....

little osprey
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Also I don’t get as many uses out of it

little osprey
civic tusk
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Your talking a couple of c max

tender peak
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Its one of those preference thingies. Personally been using arctic silver 5 for years and never had any faults with it.

civic tusk
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Yeah it is preference tbh

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My preference is kryonaut

tender peak
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I mean you could lap the heatsink and cpu for optimal results but who the hell wants to do all that noise.

civic tusk
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Even better delid it and use liquid metal

desert gulch
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I use mx4

tender peak
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lol

desert gulch
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Works fine and is a good price

little osprey
civic tusk
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Yeah mx4 isn't exactly premium

desert gulch
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Ik

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Works fine tho

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No problems with it

civic tusk
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Yeah for the little extra i personally would go with something better

desert gulch
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Yeah idk

tender peak
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but it is non metallic so folks that get skurred of possibly putting on too much don't have to worry as much

civic tusk
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That's true

desert gulch
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Yeah I'm not afraid of that

tender peak
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Just as long as you aren't using that horrid thermaltake crud.

desert gulch
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Lol

tender peak
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Stuff turned into an insulator on me 2 years into a run.

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Had to clean everything with q tips and 90% and was at it for a good 30 minutes.

little osprey
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How good is Corsair TXM50

viral ore
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you mean XTM50?

little osprey
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Yes

viral ore
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how much paste you lookin to buy?

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enough for just one cpu?

tender peak
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Dunno, never used it.

little osprey
viral ore
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a 1g tube will do like 5 CDT cpus

little osprey
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CDT?

viral ore
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oh, consumer desktop

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like 9900k

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or 5600x

little osprey
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3600 that kinda stuff?

viral ore
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yeah

little osprey
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Not 10980xe

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Or TR

tender peak
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It would work on those.

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Same dealio.

viral ore
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it would take like double the amount for those ones tho

little osprey
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Yeah sassy is right

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Those CPUs are larger

viral ore
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10980xe isnt too much bigger

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but threadripper is comically large

tender peak
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Yeah you'd end up doing less but didn't say coverage would be the same, just that it would work.

viral ore
tender peak
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Then again how many people are using dual and tri cpu boards hehe

viral ore
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i used to lmao

little osprey
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Ok guys, 3.5 grams of NT H2 for $15 or 1 gram of kryonaught for $10

tender peak
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Whatcha covering?

little osprey
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3600

tender peak
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Then it won't matter, go by your preference. If you don't want to have gobs of it around sitting in a tube for a while the 1 gram.

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Even then you'd still have 3/4s of the tube sitting around heh

little osprey
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Ok

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I think I’ll go with noctua

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Oh wait

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UGH I’m so conflicted

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Somebody choose for me

mental steeple
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This is why dramless NVME drives outperform sata drives equipped with a dedicated dram cache.

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Even drives without a complete dram cache substitute like the WD SN550 are remarkably solid.

little osprey
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@mental steeple hey you were in pc swaps for like a day

mental steeple
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We have the SRAM and SLC cache available to split mapping table data, and utilize as our read/wrte buffer

mental steeple
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lol

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friends invited me

viral ore
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im not reviving this dead convo, everything is relative to use case

little osprey
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Oh

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I thought Aaron banned you

mental steeple
little osprey
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Don’t argue with sassy he is genius

mental steeple
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fun e

little osprey
hoary cloak
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is the 1660 a good upgrade from a 1050ti

viral ore
mental steeple
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Also losing the dram cache doesn't put a significant hit on endurance...especially when our mapping table data is being stored on HMB..

viral ore
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also because i dont have time to type paragraphs to people who dont really care

mental steeple
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I don't think you have an answer so

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i 😴

viral ore
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i dont answer to you

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so

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🤷‍♂️

ashen fulcrum
mental steeple
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I mean if you're going to tell people that drives aren't suitable when they are completely fine you should have a reason to back it up.

civic tusk
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Ah i see you found him

viral ore
civic tusk
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The spreader of storage misinformation

ashen fulcrum
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Ok ty

viral ore
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33% of people have better components surrounding their 9700f, such as faster ram

ashen fulcrum
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Ah

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Well i just got the best thst was supported i didnt spend a bunch on uncessearry ram

mental steeple
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🤦

viral ore
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also, the userbenchmark benchmark, like most benchmarks, cant be super precise, and is effected by many other software based variables

tender peak
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And if you are using a pre sata drive or not lol

ashen fulcrum
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Ok thanks

viral ore
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np

tender peak
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Ugh to drive to maryland tomorrow and quarratine for 10 to 14 days for a video card or not to......

mental steeple
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also what is wrong with smi controllers ❓

viral ore
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idk

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whats wrong with them?

delicate stratus
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My cooler master MB311l case didn’t come with fan connectors so my fans will light up but not spin I’m confused

safe heron
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are there separate plugs on the fans?

delicate stratus
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There are none to connect to the mobile

safe heron
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some fans have power plugs that disconnect from the fans

delicate stratus
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But nothing came apart in the box

eager flower
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my friend is having issues with his laptop, it powers on and gets to the lenovo loading/boot screen but doesnt boot into windows

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isthis a hard drive failure?

mental steeple
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And considering the context of the conversation was you describing them as bad drives.

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So I imagine you think there's something wrong with SMI controllers?

viral ore
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in context, yes, they were bad drives, without context, they have their specific use cases

viral ore
mental steeple
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thanks for clarifying.

viral ore
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np

mental steeple
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And in what context are those drives bad?

scarlet gazelle
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can anyone help me with an internet question

mental steeple
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In their $90-95 price-point they dominate.

scarlet gazelle
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idk if this is the place to post

mental steeple
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Once we go above $100 the mushkin pilot E which is a 2262en based drive

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is the best

stoic island
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no

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MP34 at 110usd >:P

little osprey
stoic island
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Phison E12 drive

junior basin
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Yo I just finished my built but my vengance pro isnt lighting up, is there any problem or na?

scarlet gazelle
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Quick question
What’s the best way to get intervener to my pc

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From a coaxial cable

little osprey
scarlet gazelle
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Because my mobo wouldn’t have a coax input right

little osprey
scarlet gazelle
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Soooo coax to Ethernet

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?

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I can’t find any. Even on Amazon

viral ore
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good for local high res video editing

mental steeple
junior basin
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@little osprey yee

mental steeple
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And no in the $90-95 area you aren't going to find much better than dramless phison E13T and SMI 2263XT drives.

scarlet gazelle
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if anyone can help me with internet could you go to #electronics 😄 ty ty

junior basin
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Sooo how do i fix the lighting problem??

viral ore
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because i wouldnt use a dramless ssd for primary storage, and no one needs more than 512gb for primary storage

mental steeple
viral ore
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because windows

mental steeple
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How does that have anything to do with that.

stoic island
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Primary storage as in the primary storage drive

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Primary long term storage can be any drive

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dramless or not, ssd or not

viral ore
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i mean primary as in primary boot drive

mental steeple
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I have no idea why you think that a primary drive needs to have a dedicated dram cache.

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Especially when a dedicated dram cache is one fraction of an SSD's attributes.

stoic island
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dramless drives die off as the flash tires out quicker

viral ore
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because its costs very little to impliment

mental steeple
viral ore
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any decent ssd i would trust to hold my windows os would have dram anyway

stoic island
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Not really in what way

muted patio
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Where yall coming from? Awful lot of people beating the same horse.

mental steeple
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If we're referring to NVME drives there are a few ways around it.

mental steeple
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If we aren't using HMB to store the mapping table data it might put more wear on the SLC cache?

stoic island
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dram cache allows you to do wear-leveling

viral ore
stoic island
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I don't think HMB allows you to do that yet

mental steeple
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Not the dedicated dram cache.

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An SSD without wear levelling would fail too shortly 😎

mental steeple
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The dedicated dram cache doesn't have much to do with wear levelling outside of the SLC cache wearing, but the SLC cache is already resilient enough that it isn't an issue.

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One of the big sources for this "no dram bad" scare is the techquickie video, but it doesn't take into account that SSD controllers also have integrated sram caches.

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Even if we aren't using HMB to store the mapping table data (Which levitates wear on the SLC cache) we can split the mapping table between the SLC cache and the SRAM cache, and once again the SLC cache isn't going to die shortly because it's doing more work.

fervent oasis
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Just posted my build this year(late) in Build pics.

mental steeple
viral ore
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no, because on average it costs nothing to get a drive with dram

mental steeple
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Sure having a dedicated dram cache is better if we're using the exact same controller without dram compared to the exact same controller with dram

mental steeple
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The mushkin helix-L outperforms the crucial P1 by a fair margin

viral ore
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also you have to keep context in mind, the use case of the drive

mental steeple
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Even though the P1 has dram and the EN optimized firmware.

viral ore
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i wouldnt use the P1 either lmao

mental steeple
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Saying that the helix-L is bad as a primary drive is just silly

viral ore
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i would rather have someone invest in a higher quality drive with good write endurance for their windows os

hollow grail
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no dram is okay but dramless drives dont exist in a vacuum

mental steeple
hollow grail
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there are no high end dramless drives

viral ore
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yeah, it will work

mental steeple
mental steeple
hollow grail
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there are no midrange dramless drives

mental steeple
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You're completely right.

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However

viral ore
mental steeple
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He's saying that these drives are unsuitable as primary storage.

mental steeple
hollow grail
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theyre passable

viral ore
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nope, its the same

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actually

mental steeple
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It literally isn't.

viral ore
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well, it was

hollow grail
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on sata they're nearly unusable

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but nvme dramless drives are alright

mental steeple
viral ore
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recently, yes, price per gb has gotten better on TB ssds, but its still more money for ssd most people wont use

hollow grail
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id say the average user wouldnt notice, but I would also advise them to pay a bit more for a higher quality product

mental steeple
mental steeple
little osprey
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Just one advise . always back up your files . every drive can fail .

viral ore
hollow grail
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more useful features = higher quality product

mental steeple
mental steeple
viral ore
hollow grail
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id say so

viral ore
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🤷‍♂️

mental steeple
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I'd disagree, if we're talking about noticeable performance.

viral ore
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could not tell you the difference between my games on PCIe ssd and my HDDs

mental steeple
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And the endurance hit isn't an issue on these drives, especially for our average consumer

mental steeple
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And it varies game to game.

hollow grail
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id say you shouldnt cheap out on storage in general

viral ore
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ahh, yes, im gonna tell people to spend a ton of money on ssd storage when they only have a 800 dollar budget

mental steeple
viral ore
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then we have nothing to talk about

mental steeple
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And with $90 1tb SSD's I mean...you can have a lot of solid state storage for games.

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That's literally the point

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And at an affordable pricepoint.

mental steeple
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I mean with SSD's sort of

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p31 gold costs less than 970 evo though rn 😎

hollow grail
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i dont get why you're so into dramless drives

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lmao

mental steeple
hollow grail
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its a lower tier ssd

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it will function as an os drive

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id never point someone to it

mental steeple
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"lower tier"

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What are the performance implications

viral ore
mental steeple
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Can you provide an actual penance for buying one of these drives?

hollow grail
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when the mp34 performs better and is like $10 more

mental steeple
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Is the MP34 $100?

hollow grail
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105 or so

mental steeple
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If the MP34 or pilot-E were $100 they'd be recommendable over the helix-L

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For regular users.

little osprey
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lol my hdd failed while this topic going xd

hollow grail
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lmaoooooo the mp34 just got slammed by tariffs i think

mental steeple
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For $15 more? yea sure

hollow grail
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wegg has it for 150 now keeeek

mental steeple
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MP34 is what, phison e12?

hollow grail
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yep

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just standard generic e12 ssd with toshiba tlc

mental steeple
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Mp34 is $110, aswell as the pilot E, so it's $20 above the helix-L today

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I'd look into spending $20 on something else in the list before upgrading to the pilot-E or MP34 unless the person has outlined a workload that would benefit from the extra performance.

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Otherwise it'll be $20 for nothing.

little osprey
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for me wd is still best xd

mental steeple
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Same useable lifespan for the user, and same tangible performance

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No shade to the MP34 or the pilot-E they are still both great drives.

mental steeple
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even though WD says the drive doesn't use HMB newmaxx provided evidence showing that it uses HMB as a victim cache to avoid cache misses from sram

little osprey
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I using sn750 500gb as primary and sn550 as 2nd and they both perform just good

mental steeple
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🤷 both are good drives in their own respectable area

little osprey
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Is it worth it to put a fan under my Gpu

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if u have good air flow in case it dont need much

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but yeah it helps

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How would I mount it

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@hollow grail im sorry if i disturbed . when I turn my pc on my hdd had weird noise and I turned pc off . it was like it trying to spin up but couldn't . is it dead already ?

hollow grail
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what sort of noise?

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any clicks?

little osprey
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Ooh the click of death

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it's like it trying to speed up vut shutting down again

little osprey
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seagate uh

hollow grail
little osprey
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is it safe to run it again ?

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Uh

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What other choice do you have

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Just never use your pc again?

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oh lol I think I backed it up but may i have important files to recover xd

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I can run pc without it and check all my important files backes up or not 🤔

teal bison
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My case has a sata connector running out of it and I dont see anywhere to plug it in. Where does it go?

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All of the sata ports I can see on my motherboard are a lot smaller than the connector from my case

solid verge
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uhm

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what would a case need a sata connector for?

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maybe its another type of connector

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usb 3 maybe?

little osprey
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can you show us the connector ?

teal bison
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It says sata on the connector and I already plugged in the usb3

solid verge
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show it better

little osprey
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is it something like that ?

viral ore
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case could have an eSATA port on the front

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not many do, but ive seen it before

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also, the new 3.2 gen 2 usb header is about the same size as a sata plug

teal bison
little osprey
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oh this is sata power 🤔

teal bison
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Camera kinda sucks but that's it

little osprey
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is it goes from psu ?

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it needs to be coming from psu and connect to hard drive or ssd

teal bison
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No its definately coming from the case

little osprey
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I have no idea why case have this kinda plug . this is only for drive

solid verge
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as sassyfish said maybe its esata

viral ore
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it powers something

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who knows

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only one way to find out

hollow grail
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prolly rgb

little osprey
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isn't it should be molex if its powering something ? 🤔

hollow grail
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nah

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they use sata now cause molex sucks

teal bison
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I think it's coming from this

hollow grail
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looks like rgb

viral ore
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power is power, no matter how it gets there

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molex or sata power doesnt matter

hollow grail
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unless its hdds

little osprey
hollow grail
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i have nam flashbacks from molex to sata catching on fire

little osprey
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I using molex to sata always and no any problem 🤔

mental steeple
solid verge
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would assume the later

mental steeple
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Molex can push more power than sata so i imagine its a quality issue

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corrected power to quality*

little osprey
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yep

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molex can even power gpu xd

mental steeple
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molex is for server fans 😎

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nidec ta450dc time

hollow grail
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lmao

little osprey
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😂

hollow grail
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yeah molex adapters are often just rly badly made

viral ore
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dell has some good ones tho

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real sturdy

mental steeple
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I might look into shucking one of those external HDD's that come with an exos, are there any adapters out there that are properly good?

teal bison
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So do I just leave it there?

little osprey
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my friend had gpu with 2x 6pin but he had just 1 6+2pin so he used one 6pin and one molex to 6pin and it worked xd

viral ore
mental steeple
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only risk is drawing too much current through the molex cable if the adapter quality is decent

viral ore
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when the gpu goes to draw current through the power cables it thinks are adequate

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poof

mental steeple
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depends on the graphics card i suppose

viral ore
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yeah

mental steeple
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5700xt is roughly a 225 watt maximum card and often comes in 6+2+6 configuration, we can get 75 from the slot, 150 from one, so one capable being molex i doubt would be a big issue

hollow grail
mental steeple
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but i just guessed its a 5700xt 😎

teal bison
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Where tho

mental steeple
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only amd graphics card users would resort to such means

hollow grail
#

to your psu

#

true

viral ore
teal bison
#

I dont see anywhere to plug it in

hollow grail
#

its true tho

viral ore
hollow grail
little osprey
#

I know but that gpu had 2x 6pin (gigabyte uh ) its too much for gtx 98p xd

teal bison
#

I dont see anywhere where it would fit

solid verge
#

do you have a sata ssd or hdd?

teal bison
#

No I'm using nvme

solid verge
#

on your power supply there are connectors to power those

#

they are somewhat wide

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and thin similar to a sata connector

#

except if you have it modular then you gota find em first xP

little osprey
#

xd

teal bison
#

Oh they arent directly on the psu

solid verge
#

xD yea not directly

#

we speak of the cables that come off it

teal bison
#

Ok so I gotta find the cable that will fit it

solid verge
#

yea

little osprey
#

now looking for new hdd xd

solid verge
#

did you fill the rest of your storage up?

little osprey
#

my drive just failed

solid verge
#

sad

#

did you have a backup?

little osprey
#

yeah I did

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I did few days ago

solid verge
#

thats a lucky one

little osprey
#

I always backing up

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and I always recommend to everyone to back up ur files . every drive can fail

lavish pagoda
solid verge
#

yea. best to have one that can stay out of use with data for a long time

lavish pagoda
#

Can someone tell me if I need anything

solid verge
#

honestly i got to organise my drive too

mental steeple
little osprey
#

@lavish pagoda u can add more high sped ram

mental steeple
#

no solid state storage

#

and yea that ram choice is really weird

little osprey
#

2800

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it should be 3200 at least

#

can be 3600 too

little osprey
mental steeple
#

The thermaltake smart 80+ uses group regulation so it's already a bust for most modern builds.

#

Unless it's an IGPU system that's sipping power and you dont care about the lifespan of your storage, stay away from group regulated power supplies.

viral ore
#

unsure about psu tho, iirc it has a good enough transient response to keep up with most ampere cards, but if not lmk

little osprey
viral ore
#

2 extra cores for like 100 dollars isnt worth it imo

#

hardly a difference in single core perf

little osprey
little osprey
viral ore
#

yeah, but for gaming its simply not worth it

little osprey
#

yeah

viral ore
#

to be fair im running a 10920x, but thats just me lmao

little osprey
#

just for gaming 10600 is pretty enough

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mine is 9700k xd

viral ore
#

9700k does the trick

#

8 solid cores, dont need much more than that for a solid gaming experience

little osprey
#

yeah its perfect game performance and works well

lavish pagoda
#

Could I run rust on this build ?

viral ore
#

totally

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rust runs on my friends 8700k and 1060

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no problem for a 10600k and 3060ti, its gonna shred that game

eager flower
#

rust isnt hard to rujn

viral ore
#

yeah lol

little osprey
#

yeah on 1080p monitor ull kill it

eager flower
eager flower
little osprey
eager flower
little osprey
#

but idk about 3060s 4k performance

eager flower
#

it would run 120-144 probablyy

viral ore
#

10600k gonna run most well optimized games at 240+fps

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the real question is the 3060ti frametimes

eager flower
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itll run like

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45 fps

little osprey
#

yeah 10600k have close game performance with 9700k

eager flower
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5800x and 3060ti on 4k ultra

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4k low with that config is 160

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1080p ultra withj that config is 120fps

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1080p low with that config is almost 220-230fps

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little osprey
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🤔

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@hollow grail why on some wd blue drives have Cavier on it 🤔

hollow grail
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old version

little osprey
#

cavier is old version ?

hollow grail
#

yea

little osprey
#

thanks 😇

earnest olive
#

it means it's tasty

little leaf
#

@viral ore couldn't he do a 10400f or 3600 with a 3070?

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or at that point just do a 5600x because it comes with cooler

viral ore
#

5600x isnt really an option bc availability

#

10600k better at gaming than both 10400f and 3600, that single core perf important for 240hz

#

graphics quality can change, cpu frametimes cannot

rancid sleet
#

So i'm redoing a Pc is upgrading from a i5-3570 to a i3-10100F OR I3-9100f worth it?

next kestrel
#

yes

muted patio
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10100F is roughly 10% faster, so that's a maybe

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Same for the 9100F

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Say maybe 8-10% faster

little osprey
#

but 10100f is hyper threaded tho

muted patio
#

True

next kestrel
#

10100f is comparable to the 7700k

muted patio
#

Hard to find exact benchmarks comparing them

#

I'd go 10100 just for the socket 1200 and future upgrades

next kestrel
#
  • the DDR4 boost
little osprey
#

also 11th gen aswell

muted patio
#

Yup

little osprey
#

or have a very tight budget

fickle ginkgo
#

Quick question for anyone who could offer help, I've had a PC with the following specs:
Mobo: ASRock X570M Pro4
Cpu: Ryzen 7 3700x
Gpu: EVGA 2060 KO ULTRA
PSU: EVGA 750W GT 80 gold
Ram: Hyper X Fury 8GB 3200mhz X 2

Last night while gaming my pc randomly turned off and began turning back on without showing bios and continued doing this. I shut it off. Between me and a pal we deduced that it's either bad PSU or Mobo died. I've built this PC in October, it's on a battery backup with surge protection. What could it be?

I've tried checking the CMOS battery. and won't have access to test the PSU til tommorow morning. The mobo makes no beeps.

muted patio
#

Bypass the UPS, plug directly into wall

fickle ginkgo
#

Tried that, continued the ( what I assume is a boot loop) boot loop

muted patio
#

no motherboard lights?

fickle ginkgo
#

CPU and DRAM always light up. Tried booting it without the GPU nothing changed either. The last two remaining lights never come on before the loop.

muted patio
#

Ah

#

That's not good

#

Remove DRAM

#

See if just CPU lights up

fickle ginkgo
#

I'd have to get back to you on that then, I'll have to reassemble then test. For now I'm probably gonna go checkout my psu tommorow and test it.

Thank you for the advice. I'll probably be back here tommorow if it's not the PSU and test what you said. The last thing I tried before I took it apart was switch the dram from a2 to b2 and b2 to a2. Haven't tried booting it up without the ram

muted patio
#

Yeah, I doubt it's the PSU

#

I would say CPU or motherboard

#

if you're getting those lights

thorn garnet
#

Anyone else having rtx 3070 pc restarting issues during gaming only? 750W PSU

little osprey
#

power supply issue most likely

thorn garnet
#

750?

muted patio
#

Dpends on the model and brand

#

Most likely it's a driver issue

thorn garnet
#

Rtx 3070 ASUS TUF gaming, what should I use to see if I’m not having enough power? Drivers are up to date

muted patio
#

GPU-Z

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It's a program

#

Run that, and then run unigine Heaven benchmark

#

Check the voltage sag on the PCI-E line

thorn garnet
#

What’s the proper voltage?

muted patio
#

Should stay close to 12 volts

#

if it drops below 11.2 or 11, not enough power

#

However

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Is this a brand new biuld or did you have an old GPU in there?

thorn garnet
#

I’m currently resetting my pc to clean slate to make sure I don’t have any old drivers

muted patio
#

Ah

thorn garnet
#

I had an old GT720 in it

muted patio
#

DDU is a great program for that

#

Display Driver Uninstaller

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Wipes the driver so you can install fresh

thorn garnet
#

Tried that still crashed so I figured so I should start all over

muted patio
#

Mmmm

#

If you've already done that

thorn garnet
#

In forums people are crashing even with 1000 PSU

muted patio
#

Grab GPU-Z and check the voltage

#

Well, not every 750W PSU is the same

#

some are garbage

#

some are good

thorn garnet
#

G3 evga gold

#

I’ll try the voltage test when it boots up, anything else I should try?

viral ore
#

the G3 is p good

muted patio
#

It is

#

Hmmm

#

Are you running 1 or 2 PCI-E power cables?

#

Are you daisy chaining one cable?

#

Or running two separate cables?

thorn garnet
#

2 separate 6+2 cables

muted patio
#

SHould be fine then

thorn garnet
#

I was using Y chain but I switched over

muted patio
#

Anything in the Event Viewer?

#

Critical Events indicating a driver fault or BSOD code?

thorn garnet
#

What event viewer?

muted patio
#

Windows Search - Event Viewer

#

On the left, Windows Logs, then System

#

On the right, Filter Current Log, then check ERROR and CRITICAL

thorn garnet
#

Ah well the pc is resetting now so it would be blank

muted patio
#

Nah

#

Oh

#

You mean fresh install?

thorn garnet
#

Yes

#

I clicked reset pc and clean all drives and reinstall

muted patio
#

oh

#

well then

#

Try that and see what happens

thorn garnet
#

Because just the simple reinstall, my drivers were still updated so I was worried any old corrupted files may still be there

muted patio
#

If still issue

#

Grab GPU-Z

#

and check voltage sag

thorn garnet
#

Will there be 2 voltage sensors or 1?

muted patio
#

one for each PCI-E plug and the PCI-E slot

thorn garnet
#

If the voltage is dipping below 12, that means the 750 isn’t enough?

muted patio
#

Well, below 11.2 or so

#

It's going to dip a little bit

#

Ideally it should be 12 V all the time like this screenshot

uneven mist
#

when i install my aio

#

is sys_fan5_pump my aio pump plug in thingo

#

wot i should say is do i plug in my pump connector there

#

and what is cpu_opt

#

and cpu_fan im assuming is for my aio fans

junior crescent
#

Is the 9600k still a good chip when overclocked

pliant lake
#

I would say yes, it should be able to get 5ghz

junior crescent
#

Is the Corsair 280x a good case

hollow sandal
#

9th gen intel is not worth it in the slightest

little osprey
#

depends

#

if you find a 9th gen cpu for a good price

#

might be worthy.

hollow sandal
#

eh

#

theres no upgrade path

#

and they have pretty bad multithread performance

#

the 9900K is matched and surpassed by the 5600X in every aspect

little osprey
#

yeah but if you are gaming only, 9th gen is fine

#

aslong if you find for a good price tho

hollow sandal
#

10th gen has replaced it

#

and zen 2/zen 3

#

there isnt really a reason to buy it

#

if you're just gaming, it would be better to buy an i3-10100f over an i5-9400f

little osprey
#

sure but like
9700k was seen on microcenter for 200$ bucks tho

#

but eh
11th gen coming in few months

#

so 10th gen might have a decrease in value

hollow sandal
#

overclocking isnt going to save it from a lack of SMT and a dead platform

civic tusk
#

Yes but going for a 9700k requires a z390 motherboard and adequate cooling to support the overclock

#

And z390 then has no real upgrade path apart from to 9900k

verbal quarry
#

Anyone know how good the rosewill 240mm aio is?

little osprey
#

bro..

#

does anyone have this problem

#

my applications keep pixelating

#

desktop too

#

sometimes

#

is it like a gpu problem or ram problem

hollow grail
#

gpu

outer heart
#

have you tried a different display

hollow grail
#

rip lmao

little osprey
#

yea

hollow grail
#

or cable

little osprey
#

i set my gpu to default clock

hollow grail
#

hoping its cable

little osprey
#

cable?

#

power cable?

hollow grail
#

display cable

little osprey
#

ohh

#

hmm

#

ye, cable can cause artifact
my loose cable caused my monitor screen to turn yellowish

#

ok i unplugged it

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and replugged it in

#

oh

#

god

#

it works

#

thx

#

nice.

#

hmm the problem is

#

the dp cable is just too bent

#

i straightened it and it works fine

hollow grail
#

lmao my brain is massive

tough kettle
#

also 9700k is majorly on a dead platform

#

all those factors combined, even with the 9700k being for 200 usd make it Irrelevant

#

since the 10400 retails for 155-170 nowadays

#

also 9700k was pointless in the first place since it was like a 0.5% increase over the 8700k

hollow grail
tough kettle
hollow grail
#

i love how some ppl here are like "yeah lock urself into this dead socket"

tough kettle
hollow grail
#

"itll be great when u need to buy a new cpu and a new board"

thorn garnet
#

I completed a full pc reset and windows 10 install but my GPU drivers are still up to date?

hollow grail
#

just reinstalls os and nukes files

#

drivers will generally stick around

thorn garnet
#

as in reinstall using USB with windows 10 install?

#

instead of resetting through the windows reset option?

hollow grail
#

what did you do

#

to reinstall

thorn garnet
#

I went to recovery -> reset pc - > remove everything -> local reinstall (took all night)

hollow grail
#

yeah thats not actually resetting the pc

#

entirely

#

youd need a windows install usb if u wanted to nuke everything

wanton cliff
#

how easy is it to move info from my laptop with the SSD soldered to the board over to my new modular laptop

hollow grail
thorn garnet
#

I have the windows 10 on a usb, how do I nuke it? pressing a button when restarting pc or is there an easier way?

wanton cliff
#

i already have a folder saved for everything I want to move, and this laptop is going to be used by someone else as well

hollow grail
wanton cliff
#

so dont think you are going to be tearing it apart

hollow grail
#

install fresh

#

darne

#

well in that case id just copy to a usb and move it over

wanton cliff
#

and then just factory reset the device?

#

and uninstall all of HP's bloatware

hollow grail
#

or just clean install it yeah

wanton cliff
#

there are some drivers i dont want to take the time to install

hollow grail
#

snappy driver installer

wanton cliff
#

i have a USB with windows right here though

hollow grail
#

uwu

thorn garnet
wanton cliff
#

yes

hollow grail
#

and then

#

you select the usb

thorn garnet
#

my motherboard driver updates would not be affected right?

hollow grail
#

what are you trying to do

wanton cliff
#

my laptop doesnt have a bios I can boot into 😛

hollow grail
#

whate

little osprey
wanton cliff
#

Hewlett Packard office laptops baybee

thorn garnet
#

wipe everything except motherboard updates (motherboard will not boot up with ryzen 5600x) so I can have a clean slate on figuring out why my rtx 3070 keeps on crashing with 750 PSU

hollow grail
#

babe its the esc key

#

unless its supervisor locked

little osprey
hollow grail
#

resetting the OS does not affect the bios in any way

wanton cliff
gleaming quartz
#

the bios should be handled by the mobo

little osprey
#

Yeah modularity makes sense but there should still be a bios. Not a good one that’ll help with anything but still.

wanton cliff
#

there literally isnt

#

it immediately boots into windows

#

no prompt, no key that i can press

#

trust me i have tried

gleaming quartz
#

what mobo brand do you have?

#

or whatever

wanton cliff
little osprey
#

Hold down shift, restart go to the power options and try to see if next to cmd there’s an option to boot into bios

little osprey
wanton cliff
gleaming quartz
#

hmm... you could probably look it up on some hp forums even though that hp mobo seems a bit archaic by now

wanton cliff
#

im not tech illiterate

gleaming quartz
#

lol

wanton cliff
#

I literally help here, in this chat, every day

#

my name is the build lady for god's sake

gleaming quartz
#

yeah true

#

but there has to be a way to access the bios

wanton cliff
#

ive told you

#

there isnt

gleaming quartz
#

you literally cant have a computer without the bios

little osprey
#

There is no way to not have a bios my friend

gleaming quartz
#

you literally cant have a computer without the bios

wanton cliff
#

idk what to tell you

#

ive tried all the things

little osprey
#

The computer wouldn’t function, the question is how do we get to it

wanton cliff
#

wegg doesnt like those kinds of links

muted patio
#

HP is usually F10

hollow grail
little osprey
#

We’re not trying to attack you were a bunch of nerds who want to see who can help.

wanton cliff
#

look

#

ill try again later and record it

#

after school

#

but i cant right now

#

because school

#

not like there is anything I want to do in the bios anyways

gleaming quartz
#

i mean the bios is pretty useful though

wanton cliff
#

i mean

gleaming quartz
#

its good to have it just for future cases

wanton cliff
#

i can reset windows

#

but thats about it on this one

#

most likely

hollow grail
#

lol

hollow grail
#

at least access to it

little osprey
#

Resetting windows won’t help, however you could try bios recovery.

urban trellis
#

This is my first pc I have a question are all the mouse cursors in bios feel like 30 fps

#

Or is it just msi

hollow grail
urban trellis
#

Ok lol

little osprey
wanton cliff
little osprey
#

Just use the arrows and enter, learn the way of the sith

urban trellis
#

Plugged into gpu

gleaming quartz
#

my bios for my msi b450 literally goes at 3 frames a second

hollow grail
urban trellis
#

Yea facts

wanton cliff
#

my bios goes at 60

#

i know that

gleaming quartz
#

does it really matter though?

hollow grail
#

my bios mouse feels slow

#

but like

#

who tf uses mouse in bios

gleaming quartz
#

the only thing that should matter is that the bios works, right?

hollow grail
wanton cliff
hollow grail
#

literal god tier bios design

#

never seen a better one

gleaming quartz
#

true

urban trellis
#

It doesn't matter lol I'm just there for cranking my fans up while gaming and putting them down while doing school work

wanton cliff
#

pictures

#

of bios

#

lili

little osprey
hollow grail
little osprey
wanton cliff
hollow grail
#

just looks like this

wanton cliff
#

nah they have good bios tho

#

especially tuf boards

#

beautiful looking at least

urban trellis
#

It's fine I was just asking if my bios had something wrong with it

hollow grail
#

yeah ur all good @urban trellis

wanton cliff
thorn garnet
hollow grail
thorn garnet
#

oh okay

hollow grail
#

just cast a wider net :))

wanton cliff
#

why does every 10th person in this server have a pfp that looks like Padoru

hollow grail
#

because shes cute

urban trellis
#

Oh yea and I have another questio is there a way I could put my system fans speed up and cpu fan speed up without going into bios

wanton cliff
#

even ghosty and ID for the longest time

hollow grail
wanton cliff
#

speedfan

hollow grail
#

sometimes motherboard software will let you

#

speedfan doesnt work on a lot of stuff

wanton cliff
#

but that is mildly hard software to use

wanton cliff
urban trellis
#

I have Corsair

hollow grail
#

basically most stuff

urban trellis
#

And amd stock

hollow grail
urban trellis
#

Ok

hollow grail
#

just google and mess with it for like 30 mins

wanton cliff
#

you can crank GPU fans up from drivers usually but not much else

hollow grail
#

and youll never have to worry abt it again

urban trellis
#

@wanton cliff I have msi afterburner

wanton cliff
#

idk why you would want to automatically turn fan speed up unless your fans arent working

#

they go up on their own

urban trellis
#

I was just asking

wanton cliff
urban trellis
#

I don't have msi gpu

hollow grail
#

afterburner also lets u make fan curve babe

urban trellis
#

Yea

#

My fps in fortnite is only 100😭

#

And I hv 1660 ti

hollow grail
#

make it be 0 by uninstalling

wanton cliff
urban trellis
#

jk it's in engame

#

I get solid 240

gleaming quartz
#

nice

hollow grail
#

massive pog

urban trellis
#

Lol

hollow grail
#

inb4 sara complains abt amd drivers

gleaming quartz
#

i would benchmark my computer with fortnite if i had it installed lol

urban trellis
#

lol

wanton cliff
#

wait how are you getting 100-240fps on a 1660ti while im only getting 90 fps on a better card

#

damn amd drivers

urban trellis
#

Hold up

hollow grail
#

because ur card isnt better

#

see the amd logo on it?

urban trellis
#

Lol

hollow grail
#

-100 fps

small osprey
#

lmfao

urban trellis
#

I play low settings

wanton cliff
#

[EXPLETIVE DELETED] you lili

hollow grail
#

do it coward

wanton cliff
gleaming quartz
#

amd is fine imo

urban trellis
#

R u good

#

ULTRA

hollow grail
urban trellis
#

At least turn shadows off

#

You will get like 80 fps boost

small osprey
#

fps more important than looks

wanton cliff
#

im a graphics whore, what can I say?

small osprey
#

if you have excessive fps then make it look better

hollow grail
#

cuda is fantastic

small osprey
#

if not

urban trellis
#

I play competitive fortnite so I play on lower settings

gleaming quartz
#

i used to have an rx 570 and it was very servicable

small osprey
#

then keep it low settings

hollow grail
#

for productivity not even close

gleaming quartz
#

true

hollow grail
#

u save like $50 on msrp

#

with amd

#

and lose so much cool stuff

gleaming quartz
hollow grail
#

im not saying amd is bad for gaming

#

its fine for gaming

wanton cliff
hollow grail
#

because thats all they focus on

wanton cliff
#

5700xt

urban trellis
#

@wanton cliff do u have a high refresh rate monitor if u do get tha f*ck off ultra settings

hollow grail
#

she better

wanton cliff
hollow grail
#

or ill cry

wanton cliff
#

no swore

urban trellis
#

I get 360 in creative lmao

#

Srry

hollow grail
#

if sara doesnt have at least 144hz ill be upset