building-and-recc-chat

[muted patio]

Return Merchandise Authorization

Extension

If still same issue, return board

If flexing the extension connector to the PSU connector does it, need a new PSU then

$14 trouble shooting tool. Pretty cheap

[glacial umbra]

you're getting cable extensions where?!

they're always overpriced as hell for me, I can't find any decent cheap ones that aren't going to ship from China and take months

[muted patio]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16812162040?Description=atx cable extensions&cm_re=atx_cable extensions-_-12-162-040-_-Product

I mean, full kits aren't cheap though

$50 or more

Pretty par for the course

[little osprey]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Liquid-Cooling/iCUE-ELITE-CAPELLIX-Liquid-CPU-Cooler/p/CW-9060048-WW

Is this good

Because I LOVE the way it looks

[muted patio]

Actually, yes

[little osprey]

YESSIR

@muted patio would it be fine for overclocked 11900k

[muted patio]

Yes

Those tests are with Intel HEDT so

[little osprey]

Alright bet

How much could I get out of selling my 2060 super gigabyte trio winforce oc

[muted patio]

No idea

I don't keep up to speed with used PC parts

Check ebay and local listings, price accordingly

[rich helm]

I mean on offer up and stuff 2060 supers are like 400 for some reason

[little osprey]

The reason is gpus are scarce

[muted patio]

Ye

[rich helm]

But those are the ones that haven’t sold

[muted patio]

I could sell my 2060 and pay for half of my new 3070 when I get it lol

Actually

Hmmmmm

[rich helm]

So I would go on eBay and sort by sold

There was a single graphics card that I was waiting for to come instock, and I had a notification set up and then my phone died and it came instock before I could charge it

And I missed it

[little osprey]

ACTUALLY I might just throw my Gpu in my 9700k build

[rich helm]

Now it says another 2-4 weeks

Before it comes back

[little osprey]

And use the fury x I ordered as a temporary Gpu until I can get a 6800 or 3080 or something

[spiral basin]

Put it up for bid on EBay and some sucker will probably get it all the way to like 450 lmfao

[little osprey]

What should I start the bid out at

If I were to do that

@spiral basin

[scarlet gazelle]

Hey @muted patio do you think I should order a new usb3 cable?

[muted patio]

I think you should just get a USB hub

[little osprey]

Maybe I should just sell my whole pc and start fresh

[scarlet gazelle]

Yeah I could add magnets on the bottom and attach it to the top of my pc

@little osprey what parts do you have

[spiral basin]

Pretty much anything. Just do the EBay recommended and then list it

[little osprey]

Ryzen 5 3600
RTX 2060 Super
16GB 2*8 Trident Z 3600mhz
MSI B450 Tomahawk Max
500Gb Samsung 860 Evo
1Tb GX2
EVGA GT 650W
Meshify C

@scarlet gazelle

[glacial umbra]

3100 and 1070 ti a decent pairing?

can't really find any videos or stuff in that combo

[scarlet gazelle]

I have same cpu and had same mobo. Up to you. I’d upgrade one at a time

[wanton cliff]

Wouldn’t a 5700XT be better than a 2060s?

[scarlet gazelle]

Is 3090 even worth it

[wanton cliff]

Yes

For rendering and editing

Sweet sweet VRAM

[scarlet gazelle]

I feel like there’s a finishing return between 3080 and 3090 between cost and performance

Diminishing

[wanton cliff]

Definitely

But the 3090 isn’t meant for gaming

[muted patio]

There is between 3060TI and 3070 alos

10% ish

[wanton cliff]

More like 15%

~

[wanton crest]

yeah 15-13%

[muted patio]

Depends on the game TBH but yeah

[wanton crest]

cpu/gpu bound huh

[little osprey]

Sure

Trash encoding and no rtx though

[blazing aurora]

what's the best model to get of the 3060ti (asus, msi, etc.)?

[wanton cliff]

Fair

[blazing aurora]

or are they all the same price

[wanton cliff]

Doesn’t matter too much. Whatever is in stock.

[muted patio]

Anything but Zotac

[wanton cliff]

Anything but Zotac

[wanton crest]

just a question for u nerds, should I get a 2060 or wait for the 3060's to be in stock?

[wanton cliff]

3060Ti

[muted patio]

Don't get a 2060

I have

Much disappoint

[wanton crest]

ok

[scarlet gazelle]

I have a 240hz monitor but am getting a 144hz 4K monitor for 4K gameplay and entertainment... how well could my 5700xt run a 4K game?

[earnest olive]

don't expect anywhere near 144

[wanton cliff]

60 FPS medium settings

[blazing aurora]

as someone who was just about to buy a 2060, why do you say that

[wanton cliff]

Usually

[scarlet gazelle]

Not bad at all

[earnest olive]

60 fps will be a struggle

[muted patio]

Performance in RTX is poo

1440p is OK

1080 is good

[scarlet gazelle]

Hm thinking about upgrading my gpu. I don’t like amd graphics cards tbh

[muted patio]

but with current cards on the market and some coming ut this month, not worth the money

[scarlet gazelle]

Nvidia just seems so much more useful

[wanton cliff]

1440p on a 5700XT is actually pretty good in most games. I usually get minimum 90 FPS on ultra settings.

But yeah, get new generation cards

Ampere and RDNA2

So much more worth it

[fair birch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/RebelRed528/saved/#view=kNwPFT what do y’all think if this list (ignore all the purchased stuff)

[earnest olive]

the montech x1 case is pretty bad

[wanton cliff]

Get a p300 instead

[earnest olive]

dunno why you want x470 board over b550

[fair birch]

Oc

[muted patio]

B550 OC just fine

[fair birch]

Why is it bad?

[muted patio]

O.o

[earnest olive]

b550 can oc

[fair birch]

It’s not designed for oc though

[earnest olive]

?

[fair birch]

Ik it can oc

[muted patio]

wat

yes it is

[earnest olive]

my b550 board would knock that x470 board out of the park lmao

[muted patio]

Yup

[scarlet gazelle]

Could I run 4K 60fps max settings on a 3080

[earnest olive]

not that you need a good board to oc ryzen

[scarlet gazelle]

Or would it depend on all other parts like cpu and board

[muted patio]

If you had the CPU to support the 3080, yes

[earnest olive]

ryzen is extremely easy to oc

[fair birch]

I’m thinking of oc the cpu at least 500 mghz

[muted patio]

Turn on PBO and forget

[scarlet gazelle]

Could a Ryzen 5 3600 support that card?

[earnest olive]

lol

[muted patio]

OC Ryzen 500 mhz??

[earnest olive]

500mhz

[muted patio]

NOPE

[earnest olive]

good luck

[scarlet gazelle]

Lollll

[earnest olive]

i can see you have never tried to oc ryzen before

[scarlet gazelle]

What cpu could?

[earnest olive]

just get a b550, turn on pbo, and be done with it

[scarlet gazelle]

Like i9 only?

And that tier alone

[muted patio]

5600/5800/5900 for 3080

I mean, you can OC the low end Ryzen pretty far

[stoic island]

pbo or manual all core underclock

[muted patio]

3100, etc

[fair birch]

I’ve seen a lot of builds that oc 500 mghz with other noctua coolers that are less buff

[stoic island]

3300x is great but

yea

[earnest olive]

i've worked with like 20 zen 2 cpus

none of them were ever able to oc even to boost clock

[stoic island]

@fair birch depends on where you measure the 500mhz from

[earnest olive]

let alone +500mhz

[stoic island]

500mhz from base clock yes

[fair birch]

Yes

[stoic island]

500mhz from boost clock no

[fair birch]

That’s what I meant

[stoic island]

then it's like 3.6ghz to 4.1ghz

[muted patio]

That's called PBO

[fair birch]

Not from the boost bruh

[muted patio]

AMD will do it for you

[fair birch]

Yes

[earnest olive]

500mhz from base clock is already difficult

[muted patio]

Any board

[stoic island]

OC is usually measured from boost clock

[scarlet gazelle]

Intel or amd cpus? Or it depends

[earnest olive]

my 3600x can only go 400mhz from base clock

and yeah

nobody compares it to base clock

[fair birch]

Oh sorry I got confused cuz on pcpp it’s from base

[muted patio]

I mean, my 3700x will do 700mhz over base

4.3ghz

[earnest olive]

manual oc zen 2 is not worth it anyways

pbo + undervolt is better

[fair birch]

So b550 can support that oc?

[stoic island]

mine does 300mhz over base

4.2ghz

[earnest olive]

getting 4.45ghz in games on pbo compared to 4.2ghz on manual oc

[muted patio]

Yes, B550. DOn't get x470 lol

[fair birch]

It’s only 99 bucks though

[wanton cliff]

B550 can be cheaper

[fair birch]

And it’s supposed to be better, right?

[muted patio]

No

[fair birch]

Huh

[muted patio]

x470 isn't better lol

[wanton cliff]

B550 is better than 470

[stoic island]

depends on the board

[wanton cliff]

Generally

[stoic island]

but b550 chipset itself is just

better

and most b550 boards have p nice vrms

[fair birch]

I didn’t know that

Ok

I just thought that because almost none of the b550 boards had vrm cooling

[earnest olive]

my b550 board's vrms are so hilariously overbuilt i have no idea who would ever need this besides LN2

...what

[fair birch]

Link?

[earnest olive]

have you been looking at the cheapest one only

[fair birch]

Wdym

Oh and can you link your board

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7HjNnQ/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-aorus-elite

[fair birch]

Thx

Too expensive

[earnest olive]

b550 lineup in general has hilariously overbuilt vrms for ryzen

[little osprey]

That’s a good problem to have

[fair birch]

I’m looking for like the price of b550 pro VDH wifi at Max

So 115

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4mjNnQ/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-phantom-gaming-4 here you go

[severe axle]

or b550m pro4

[fair birch]

Oh yeah I saw that one but mr111 told me the pro vdh wifi is better

[wanton cliff]

When?

[fair birch]

A long time ago lol

[wanton cliff]

I mean you get what you pay for but yeah

[fair birch]

Like 2 months

[earnest olive]

better in what way

besides having wifi?

[little osprey]

I want to start from scratch and build myself a 11900k + 6800(XT) PC

[fair birch]

Idek @earnest olive

[wanton cliff]

Let’s put it this way: at the same price, a B550 board will almost always be better than an X470 board

In every way

[fair birch]

Ok

How though I just wanna know

Why are x boards more expensive

[little osprey]

Made higher end

[earnest olive]

this is an automatic dealbreaker for me on the pro-vdh

[fair birch]

Like audio jacks?

[wanton cliff]

I usually use USB audio so it don’t matter much for me

Or Bluetooth

[stoic island]

most people use usb headsets

so it doesn't affect them much

[fair birch]

Cuz I only need one or two for my headset

[wanton cliff]

Two?

[fair birch]

Depends on if it’s fusion

[earnest olive]

pro-vdh also has weaker vrms

[fair birch]

How do you know that?

[earnest olive]

...?

[muted patio]

tests

Reviews

[earnest olive]

not exactly secret information

[fair birch]

What website do you use

[earnest olive]

google? lol

[fair birch]

Oh ok lol

[stoic island]

also the mobo mastersheet can give you a basic idea

[earnest olive]

it's a cheaper board it's not exactly surprising

[fair birch]

Oh Jesus there’s a lot of ppl typing

[earnest olive]

the pro-vdh is a fine board but it's not better

[fair birch]

Alr

[stoic island]

it's just 4 true phases for CPU so

[earnest olive]

you can absolutely still OC a 5800X on it

but it's not better

[stoic island]

4C029N/4C024N are decent mosfets tho

[wanton cliff]

From the same generation, an X board (X570 vs B550, for example) will usually be better in terms of VRMs and stuff, but B-series will usually be cheaper.

You, however, are comparing last-generation X boards to current generation B boards. You should be comparing a X470 board to a B450 board, and an X570 to a B550. Not an X470 with a B550.

[stoic island]

@wanton cliff depends

lots of good b550 boards have better VRMs than low end x570

[wanton cliff]

Usually

I used that word

As in not always

[stoic island]

so I'd rather not say "x570 over b550 in terms of VRMs" because usually, at the same price, I find B550 boards with better VRMs

[earnest olive]

so we have storage lady and troubleshooting lady i wonder who's next

[fair birch]

Does a 1 ghz oc on intel translate well to amd

[stoic island]

kenzie the breaking lady

[fair birch]

Liek can you do that on amd

[stoic island]

ln2

[wanton cliff]

Well I’m friends with Lili so I figured I would kinda copy her a bit

[earnest olive]

sure you can oc amd processors by 1ghz

just grab fx chip

🙂

[fair birch]

Lol

Ryzen?

[stoic island]

bulldozer

[earnest olive]

you care about clock speed too much

think about ocing ram instead that does much more for performance

[fair birch]

Why?

Well yeah duh

Imma oc the ram

[earnest olive]

ryzen clock speed barely matters in gaming

[fair birch]

Well I’d like to do it if I can

[earnest olive]

in fact

[wanton cliff]

Also for Zen2 and Zen3 3600mhz is the sweet spot for RAM, just so you know

[earnest olive]

manual ocing ryzen actively decreases your gaming performance

so

[fair birch]

Yeah Ik

[fair birch]

Where did you hear that?

[wanton cliff]

More or less decreases performance

[earnest olive]

i can simply see it on my own rig

manual oc is 4.2ghz all core

currently gaming at 4.4+ on pbo

[wanton cliff]

I just keep my 3800x on base clock

[fair birch]

What is pho

Pbo

[earnest olive]

amd boosting algorithm is much more intelligent than a manual override

[fair birch]

Ok

I’ll use pbo then

Is there still a problem?

Or is that it

[earnest olive]

you went for 3200c16 ram

get at least 3600c16 if you're going for a 3060ti

[blazing aurora]

is there any way to be notified of when 3060s go back in stock

[earnest olive]

yes

alert bots

[fair birch]

I’ve read in many places that above 3200 mhz there isn’t much difference

[wanton cliff]

Falcodrin on twitch

[fair birch]

Like jayztwocents

[earnest olive]

god

please do not ever go to jayz for information

[wanton cliff]

That’s an old video

[fair birch]

Oh ok

[viral ore]

jayz cring

[wanton cliff]

Let him build PCs, not give people his 2 cents

[fair birch]

It’s not a question about cringe 😒

[wanton cliff]

Go to gamer’s nexus for that

[earnest olive]

i'd sooner trust my grandma for tech news

[fair birch]

Ok

[earnest olive]

at least grandma would care enough to do the research and get it right

[wanton cliff]

Also can everyone tune into Falcodrin’s stream on twitch real quick

[earnest olive]

not make blatant misinformation and then milk the apology video for views every few months

[scarlet gazelle]

Sometimes you have to have the most patients in the world for pc building

[wanton cliff]

Patience

Not patients

[viral ore]

sometimes? more like always

[fair birch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DMjG3C/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhu14s so um can this cooler oc 500 mhz from base

[scarlet gazelle]

There is no shortage of problems and things that can go wrong sometimes I got to be like a zen master

Yeah patience

[earnest olive]

can be patients if you're reeally that bad at it

[stoic island]

@fair birch just leave it on pbo

[fair birch]

Right I forgot

Can it oc well on pbo

[earnest olive]

pairing your 3090 with a 500w coolmax psu is probably going to lead to hospitalization

[fair birch]

Lmao

[little osprey]

Jayz is good

One of the few good tech you tubers

[fair birch]

Having that pc would be considered a bomb threat

[little osprey]

That are actually entertaining

[stoic island]

PBO is basically auto OC so

[earnest olive]

sadly i prefer "accurate" over "entertaining"

[muted patio]

Stock cooler can run 500mhz over base on the 3600

[stoic island]

anyways grabbed some GN testing with ram on zen 2

[fair birch]

Wha

[little osprey]

GN is so dry to watch

[stoic island]

a decent bit of performance w just a ram change

[wanton cliff]

All the people who have just build their first PC always want to OC but don’t know the first thing about OCing and how time consuming it really is.

One does not simply leave their CPU 500mhz higher than base clock and call it a day.

[muted patio]

On AMD you do

That's called Boost Clock

[stoic island]

260-268fps with 3200c16, ~280fps with 3600c16

[muted patio]

AMD does it for you

[stoic island]

close to 10% just from ram

[earnest olive]

i oced my ryzen cpu

ran some benches and then went back to pbo

i oced my ryzen cpu

why did those messages send out of order

[stoic island]

I went underclock basically

[muted patio]

PBO best way

[earnest olive]

but yeah i just oced for fun lol

[stoic island]

yea OC was fun

but pbo is weird and I like solid 4ghz better

[fair birch]

It’s only a feee FPS difference

Few

I don’t care about that amounts of difference

[stoic island]

@fair birch remember, the only difference is the ram

[fair birch]

Ik

[muted patio]

I mean

[stoic island]

That's the same gaming perf difference from a 5600x to a 5900x

by just changing ram

[muted patio]

I can get you cheaper ram

[viral ore]

its worth the extra 10 dollars

imo

[muted patio]

that is worth those speeds

G SKill kit

[fair birch]

It only like 10 FPS...

[muted patio]

Also Ballistix eith RGB

[stoic island]

"only"

:P

[fair birch]

Yeah...

[muted patio]

It's not just game performance though

[viral ore]

we dont expect you to understand, but statistically, its a big deal

[wanton cliff]

That can be 10 FPS more than your opponent in Titanfall, where every extra millisecond matters

[muted patio]

Also, ADATA ram spoop with AMD

would avoid

[fair birch]

Well to me it isn’t

[wanton cliff]

Well it should be

[stoic island]

I mean

why not downgrade your GPU and CPU then

it'll be good nuff

[muted patio]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164221?Description=3600 CL 16&cm_re=3600_CL 16-_-20-164-221-_-Product&quicklink=true

[wanton cliff]

Yeah

[muted patio]

$90

RGB, proper speeds and timing

[wanton cliff]

Only 10. FPS

[fair birch]

Because a downgrade from a 3600 would be less cores

[wanton cliff]

3500

6 cores

[muted patio]

Proper speeds and timing

[fair birch]

Les threads

Also I can’t find a price on that

[muted patio]

I gave you a link to the price

[fair birch]

Where?

[little osprey]

Will 11900k and rx 6800 be good for years

[stoic island]

oh well

[muted patio]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164221?Description=3600 CL 16&cm_re=3600_CL 16-_-20-164-221-_-Product&quicklink=true

[stoic island]

@little osprey 11900k doesn't even exist officially yet

[fair birch]

I would go with another gpu if you care about rt

[earnest olive]

i really want to splurge on some good ram once ddr5 comes out

i bought some fairly budget ddr4

[stoic island]

can't tell you about performance of a chip we have no actual testing on

[little osprey]

I’ve never used RT with my 2060S so

[wanton cliff]

Def go NVdia

[muted patio]

RT with 2060 is oof

Even at 1080p

I have

[fair birch]

Damn

[viral ore]

is big oof

[stoic island]

also, @earnest olive been seeing news AMD won't jump on ddr5 for another generation, would be very sad if they don't

[little osprey]

Why LOL

[earnest olive]

i mean

[wanton cliff]

I would wait a little bit until a CPU that can run DDR5 exists IMO

[fair birch]

There are already ddr5 boards?

[viral ore]

ddr5 gonna cost a ton on release tho

[earnest olive]

i wouldn't mind going intel if i think they have a better product at the time of my next upgrade

[wanton cliff]

For Ray tracing. Pay attention to the convo.

[muted patio]

DDR5 won't be to the consumer until end of 2021 or 2022

[earnest olive]

i am not an amd fanboy

[stoic island]

don't think am5 boards are even announced yet?

[earnest olive]

yes i'm aware

[fair birch]

Also even raw perf is better @little osprey

[earnest olive]

i didn't say i intended to buy ddr5 tomorrow on my next trip to safeway

[little osprey]

On what

[stoic island]

hm why is ma discord lagging so much

[earnest olive]

mine is too

[stoic island]

not my wifi, just ran speedtest

[viral ore]

discord takes like 10 seconds to send a message sometimes

[little osprey]

6800 is higher than 3070 on Gpu hierarchy

[stoic island]

right now smth's up

[fair birch]

Basically any game not sponsored by amd lol

[muted patio]

Depends on what you want to use it for

nVidia has DLSS and other goodies

[earnest olive]

i'm probably just going to sell my entire rig and upgrade to intel 12/13th gen or amd 6/7th gen + rtx 4090 or whatever

[stoic island]

oh boy

[viral ore]

rip

[stoic island]

that api response time

hope it's just a spike and not smth dying

[little osprey]

Look at this beautiful Gpu

[fair birch]

What is that

[hollow grail]

its happening again

[stoic island]

discord

[earnest olive]

M E R C

[stoic island]

https://discordstatus.com/#day

[earnest olive]

hi lili

[fair birch]

Yeah it looks nice, so?

[wanton cliff]

Happening to me too

[hollow grail]

this 6800xt gives me life tbh

[wanton cliff]

The XFX cards do look sexy this generation NGL. Even better than the Sapphire cards.

[hollow grail]

sadly, its an amd card

[fair birch]

That’s not custom???

[hollow grail]

otherwise id buy

[viral ore]

has anime girl on the back

[hollow grail]

nope

yep!

[wanton cliff]

Gib.

[wanton cliff]

So sexy

The card, not the anime girl

[viral ore]

mmhmm

suuuuure

[hollow grail]

genuinely the best looking card rn

[wanton cliff]

No lies

[hollow grail]

actually upset its amd

[earnest olive]

would be a great card to vertical mount

[hollow grail]

[fair birch]

Anime gril 🤩🤩🤩

[hollow grail]

ikr

[stoic island]

waifu edition

[viral ore]

its the best looking, but just putting plastic infront of the fans isnt smart for thermal reasons lmao

[earnest olive]

would look really sweet in my white rig

[stoic island]

@hollow grail I bet GN is going to review that

[hollow grail]

but its cute

[earnest olive]

but vertical mounting has its own problems

mostly riser cables

[fair birch]

Lmao what

[little osprey]

Gpu hierarchy

[wanton cliff]

AMD might be a good investment right now if DX12 Ray Tracing gets better down the line.

[earnest olive]

i thought about vertical mounting my 3080 vision

[hollow grail]

it will go in a rackmount case

[fair birch]

The 6800 is not better than the 2080 ti

[earnest olive]

but decided i don't want to deal with riser cables yet

maybe later

[wanton cliff]

Yeah it is lol

[little osprey]

Yes it is

[fair birch]

Rlly?

[earnest olive]

are you gonna sandwich it between 250tb of hard drives 😳

[fair birch]

Oh yeah last gen

[muted patio]

Depends on your definition of "better"

[viral ore]

2080ti better at rAy TrAcInG tho

[muted patio]

Higher FPS? yes. DLSS and NVENC, no

[stoic island]

dlss op

[wanton cliff]

Not for RT, yes for raw FPS

[stoic island]

nvenc op

rtx op

[fair birch]

Also pretty sure the 6800 isn’t that much better than the 3070

[stoic island]

Nvidia studio op

[little osprey]

Double the VRAM

For $50 more

[fair birch]

Omg not the vram

I got yelled at for that once

[little osprey]

?

[stoic island]

you want vram

go 3090

[fair birch]

Well anyways, 16gb of vram is useless is you’re not rendering

Or have a ton of monitors

[little osprey]

The price difference between 6800 and 3090 is a lot

[viral ore]

hence why we all said "better at what"

[wanton cliff]

Or playing VR on a G2

[fair birch]

If you only care about raw performance, sure amd is better. But not at anything else

[wanton cliff]

Except high VRAM loads

[hollow grail]

if u only care about gaming then amd is better value for money

[wanton cliff]

Raw FPS that is

[hollow grail]

if u do anything else with your card nvidia deletes them

[fair birch]

Well yeah but if you’re gaming you don’t care about 16gb of vram

[hollow grail]

exactly

[muted patio]

At 4K you do

[hollow grail]

true

[fair birch]

Not rlly

[viral ore]

them thicc textures

[hollow grail]

but onle nerds game in 4k

[muted patio]

yes rly

[wanton cliff]

Unless you play VR on an HP Reverb G2 like me

[fair birch]

You only need 4gb of vram for 4K

[little osprey]

Idiot

[wanton cliff]

HP Reverb G2.

[viral ore]

that literally makes no sense

[wanton cliff]

Nani the frick

[fair birch]

Damn bro no need to throw insults

[hollow grail]

i game in 720p 900hz like a true chad

[viral ore]

^

[hollow grail]

to render the desktop environment

[muted patio]

4 GB VRAM for 4k XD

[viral ore]

nah fam, minecraft runs at 1200fps

[hollow grail]

oh true

[fair birch]

Right igot confused lmao

I

Not u

[little osprey]

Suuuure

[viral ore]

resolution is hardly vram dependant

[fair birch]

Bruh let’s stay civil pls

[wanton cliff]

4gb VRAM is what u use for 1080p or low settings 1440p

[muted patio]

ehm

[viral ore]

running 4k in games is only worth it when your texture assets are equally as detailed

meaning more vram might be needed

running minecraft at 8k probably would use the same amount of vram as minecraft at 1080p

[muted patio]

It's not just the QTY though, bandwidth also matters

[fair birch]

Did he leave the server...

[muted patio]

The faster the textures go in the faster they go out

[earnest olive]

bro but what about my 8192x8192 texture pack and ray tracing 😠

[wanton cliff]

Like in VR games where everything needs to be detailed

[wanton cliff]

Who?

[fair birch]

The amd guy

[earnest olive]

i need at least an rtx 5090ti for minecraft

[hollow grail]

vr cringe

[wanton cliff]

Mr1111?

[fair birch]

No

Festive

[viral ore]

mr1111 would never leave

[fair birch]

Kholton

[hollow grail]

i wish

[wanton cliff]

Festive Kohlton?

[hollow grail]

[muted patio]

Eh

[fair birch]

Ye

[muted patio]

He's a post dropper

Posts and bounces

[viral ore]

kohltons been here for a looooooong time, but not as active

[hollow grail]

im activity queen

fear me

[viral ore]

no

[fair birch]

I think he left though...

[viral ore]

[fair birch]

Bruh

[viral ore]

we dont care if he did or didnt

[fair birch]

Ik

[viral ore]

if he did, cool

[muted patio]

He didn't

[viral ore]

if he didnt, cool

[wanton cliff]

That makes two of us (except I haven’t been here as long)

[muted patio]

still listed

[hollow grail]

crying i need a nas with wifi

so i can hide it somewhere at mcdonalds and seed

[muted patio]

why

[fair birch]

Also wait with dlss you need way less vram for 4K right

[muted patio]

XD

[hollow grail]

lililabs vps ON THE MOVE

[muted patio]

No

[viral ore]

you arent understanding the correlation between vram usage and render resolution

but

assuming you are a sane human being

yes

[fair birch]

Ok lol

[wanton cliff]

I don’t think Zenitsu Dog is sane

[fair birch]

Well I can run a 5k display in my Home Screen with a 3060 ti right

[wanton cliff]

Yes

[viral ore]

if you are upscaling to 4k from 1080p, no need to use hi-res assets when DLSS is gonna do all the work for you

[wanton cliff]

But for gaming?

[fair birch]

Hell no

It’s just that I have an iMac (don’t bully me) and found out you can use it as a display

[muted patio]

5k, yes. I believe the 3060TI supports 8K res, gotta check

[viral ore]

5k 60fps on a 3060ti would be doable

[wanton cliff]

Keep in mind a 3060Ti is slightly better than a 2080 Super

[viral ore]

some games at least

[fair birch]

60 FPS!?

Wow that’s a lot

[viral ore]

i mean, in what?

[fair birch]

I’m not doing that though lol

[viral ore]

if minecraft was only getting 60fps at 5k i would be sad

i would

[fair birch]

I’m probably gonna game at like 2160 to 4K cuz the display is only 60hz

[viral ore]

[fair birch]

?

[wanton cliff]

2160 to 4K?

[viral ore]

2160p?

[fair birch]

Wait no

[wanton cliff]

2160 is 4K

[viral ore]

is 4k

[fair birch]

Ahahshsh

[viral ore]

oh, 21.60 fps

[fair birch]

Well imma game at 4K

[viral ore]

got it

[fair birch]

Lo

Lol

I had a stroke

[wanton cliff]

The lack of education here is, as Lili would say, stinky

[magic cipher]

what sytem runs games the best amd or intel

[wanton cliff]

What games?

What price?

[fair birch]

I just had a stroke 😔

I meant in between 1440p to 4K

If not then just 4K

[wanton cliff]

1440 is 2k btw

[fair birch]

Ik

So like 3k to 4K if that’s a thing

[wanton cliff]

What games and at what price point?

[viral ore]

4k gaming is meh

just do 1440p max

[fair birch]

Yeah I just gotta take advantage of th display

Cuz it’s only 60 he

[viral ore]

oh, you have a 4k monitor?

[fair birch]

5k

It’s an iMac don’t bully me

[viral ore]

that makes it even worse

oh psh then whatever, you cant run many demanding games anyway lol

because they dont even support osx

[fair birch]

No imma use it as a monitor

I found out you can do that

[winged tinsel]

Does anyone know why this says only 1800, but my ram is 3600 speed

[wanton cliff]

Why not just get a 4K monitor

[viral ore]

thats normal

[wanton cliff]

Most of them look better than stinky IMacs anyways

[fair birch]

I have a 5k one already

[wanton cliff]

Oh

[fair birch]

Bruh read the convo

[viral ore]

oh i see whats going on now

i mean, gpu prices are bad, and you cant buy any of the new cards anyway

whatever you get at msrp will do just fine

[wanton cliff]

I don’t think either of us realized that you are saying that you already have the monitor

[viral ore]

just work on getting one

[fair birch]

My setup 😫

[wanton cliff]

Razer

Nice

[scarlet gazelle]

How long do you guys think until regular everyday monitors people use at home and the office go from 60 to 120hz

[wanton cliff]

I don’t think they will anytime soon

[fair birch]

2077

[wanton cliff]

60hz is more than enough for office work

[scarlet gazelle]

60hz hurts my brain

[fair birch]

Have you ever tried it?

[wanton cliff]

With his build, he would have had to at some point

[scarlet gazelle]

Yeah I have to use it everyday at work

[fair birch]

Huh

[wanton cliff]

120hz monitors simply aren’t practical for everyday office work

[scarlet gazelle]

But I guess going home to a 240hz monitor makes the difference stark

[wanton cliff]

You don’t need that extra FPS

[fair birch]

Yeah some ppl are more sensitive to hz

[scarlet gazelle]

Do you guys think curved monitors are a gimmick

I really like them

[fair birch]

Not rlly

[scarlet gazelle]

I wouldn’t get a flat monitor

[wanton cliff]

No

[fair birch]

They’re good until they’re overpriced and overhyped

[fringe widget]

it hertz you?

[wanton cliff]

All my monitors are flat but curved ones are useful

Except my G2

But those are more like Lenses

Not monitors

You know what I mean?

[fair birch]

Yeah the Razer kraken x is insane for just 42 bucks

Like the mic is 👌

[wanton cliff]

I don’t use the mic but it is pretty good

[fair birch]

And the 7.1 surround is pretty good

[wanton cliff]

Yep

[junior sky]

[fair birch]

Also I’ve been wondering, why do super expensive audiophile headphones use stereo instead of surround?

[junior sky]

i def wouldnt recommend razer headsets

but oke

[wanton cliff]

They don’t advertise surround because it’s assumed they have it

[fair birch]

I have one

[viral ore]

surround is based in software, its not real 7.1

[fair birch]

And well at least mine and many others are very good

[wanton cliff]

The Naris are the only ones I would actually recommend

[junior sky]

i have one too

[viral ore]

all headphones are stereo

[junior sky]

the krakens dont sound that good

[wanton cliff]

Arguable.

[junior sky]

and the mic isnt the best

[wanton cliff]

Fair

[fair birch]

I’ve never been super huge on audio but to me it sounds good

[viral ore]

if the music only has two sound channels, then i only need two drivers and no gimmiks

[wanton cliff]

I use a snowball anyways so the mic isn’t that important to me

[viral ore]

it may be good for gaming, but its less desirable for music

[junior sky]

just like almost every razer product, its just a bad value

[fair birch]

The mic is the best one for the price though (on a headset)

[wanton cliff]

Also arguable

[wanton cliff]

Excepting mice

[junior sky]

true

[fair birch]

Well their headsets are getting better every year

[wanton cliff]

I mostly like the branding. Worth it to me even if I have to pay $20 or 30 more

[fair birch]

Like the black shark v2

[wanton cliff]

Not as fast as Corsair or Logi tho

[fair birch]

It has pretty good value

[junior sky]

just knowing how bad razer products are

i dont like the branding

[fair birch]

True

[viral ore]

pc37x worth the investment

its only like 120 new

[junior sky]

sennheiser ah yes

[stoic island]

pc37x was 90$ on sale

very nice

[viral ore]

one of those will last you longer than 10 of those razer headsets lmao

[fair birch]

I had a turtle beach one ear headset that still works after 3 years lmao

I have them to my little cousin

Have

Gave

[viral ore]

a one ear headset?

[fair birch]

Yeah lmao

[stoic island]

uh ok

[viral ore]

so much for directional audio

[fair birch]

It was liek 20 bucks

The GameStop guy was like “yeah it’s good”

[wanton cliff]

One ear

Like the headset you get with the Xbox 360?

[fair birch]

Yup not even stereo lmao

[wanton cliff]

“””””headset””””””

[viral ore]

those were for vc only

[fair birch]

It’s over ear at least

[junior sky]

never trust sales peopme

people

[fair birch]

Those Xbox ones are horrible

[junior sky]

they dont care what you want

[fair birch]

I remember trying to talk in it but it was complete earape

[junior sky]

they just wanna sell something expensive to get a sales commission

[wanton cliff]

They only care about their commission

Yeah exactly

[fair birch]

Ye

[fringe widget]

I have a cheap K8 headset. kinda uncomfortable

[wanton cliff]

Oh, that’s something that Razer headphones have. They last for a long time during gaming sessions.

[stoic island]

I do want like dekoni pads for my pc37x tho, it's not uncomfortable, but it can be better

[fair birch]

Is there any advantages do having on ear headphones to over ear

Other than size

[wanton cliff]

Comfortability

[muted patio]

comfort

[fair birch]

On ear is more uncomfortable though

Also are the beats solo 3 overpriced

[wanton cliff]

Yes

Can say from experience

[fair birch]

Yeah I thought so

[wanton cliff]

Also uncomfortable

Can’t wear those for more than an hour without my ears hurting a lot

[fair birch]

They’re comfortable for on ear headphones lol

[wanton cliff]

No

They are not

[fair birch]

Really?

Oh

[wanton cliff]

Those things are painful to wear

Literally

[fair birch]

Well yeah my ears are sensitive too

I don’t like them

[wanton cliff]

Good for like half an hour or whatever but after that they do start hurting the cartilage on your ear

[fair birch]

But they’re the only Bluetooth headphones I have

[fair birch]

Yeah

I can only ever use over ear

[wanton cliff]

Honestly those are some of the most overpriced pieces of junk I’ve ever owned

Beats in general has terrible products IMO

[fair birch]

Yeah

Are the Corsair VOIDs really that ugly?

[muted patio]

If you want a decent headset, try the Hyper X Cloud II's or Revolver S

[fair birch]

I’ve always hated the design of all the hyperx headsets

No offence

Also the mic quality in those isn’t that good

Not better than the Razer kraken x

[muted patio]

My Revolver S is pretty decent actually

[fair birch]

The hyperx I mean

Idk about the revolver s

Welp I’m out

[wanton cliff]

Bye

[fair birch]

Man I wish all isps weren’t scams like I’m just trying to get less than 200 ping without packet loss 😢

[stoic island]

mua ha ha ha

my 0ms ping

[fair birch]

Chad

Absolute chad

-200 ping

[stoic island]

my speeds are good, but not great at all

[fair birch]

Lol

[stoic island]

ping is amazing tho

[viral ore]

need that low ping 4 seg, ya know?

[fair birch]

Like I’m playing rocket league and suddenly I’m across the fricking map

[stoic island]

@viral ore don't really get under 30ping in seg tho

[viral ore]

really??

[fringe widget]

Me playing league with 8000ms

[fair birch]

Lmao yeah

[viral ore]

bruh i get like 7-20

[fair birch]

Latency variation, packet loss, high latency

[stoic island]

@viral ore seg servers prob in Chicago or smth

[fringe widget]

are you using ethernet?

[rich helm]

I have 12ms in Minecraft on WiFi lol

[fair birch]

I used to think the latency variation sign was that you were going fast lmao

[rich helm]

7 with Ethernet

[fringe widget]

had to switch to ethernet to get reasonable ping. I use a tp-link powerline ethernet adapter now

[split whale]

same

[misty aspen]

Does anyone have a minute to discuss RAM Overclocking?

[stoic island]

#overclocking prob

[split whale]

I have never done overclocking xD

[stoic island]

@split whale word of warning, ram oc is hell

[split whale]

Need to take some time and do so

[misty aspen]

lol. no problem. this is my first attempt, but i am having an issue with the DRAM Calculator- don't know if its because it's a Rzyen 5000 chip.

[stoic island]

cpu gpu oc is nice and simple in software

lemme see, they should've updated it for zen 3

[misty aspen]

I'm on version 1.7.3

[stoic island]

they haven't yet, but Zen 3 should have better IMC than Zen 2 so it shouldn't really be a problem

what's the problem

[misty aspen]

My situatiuon is essentially. Micron B Die 16x2GB 3600 CAS 18. 5600x Chip on Tomahawk X570 Board. The DRAM calculator wont do the voltages i think because it is a Ryzen 5000 chip. so essentially not sure how to proceed w/ my OC.

[stoic island]

Micron rev b huh

[misty aspen]

Even running 3600 CAS 16 vs 18 would be an improvement. but not sure if i should just try to lower the timings w/ out the volt feedback

I have CPU-Z, Thaiphoon, and DRAM Calc.

[stoic island]

which voltage is it not giving you?

[misty aspen]

none of them.

[stoic island]

hm

send a screenshot?

[misty aspen]

lemme see if i can get one. i'm on a different computer.

[stoic island]

might be possible you just forgot to fill smth out on the left side or smth

[stoic island]

uh

it's not giving you anything

click calculate safe again?

[misty aspen]

I tried. Calculate safe says "not supported" and calculate fast says "coming soon"

[stoic island]

This is an earlier version, but with the timings, it'll give you suggested on the left and what you currently have on the right

oh boy

hm

weird

@misty aspen on the dram pcb revision bit, I wonder if it's like Profile version on my calc, and it'll let you do v1 and v2

[misty aspen]

I'm not too sure.

[stoic island]

like, what does it say when you mouse over it?

[misty aspen]

Over what exactly? sorry.

[stoic island]

I'm on an earlier version

I'm going with a roundabout way, I should just download the latest version tbh xD

I'm just gonna download latest version, gimme a sec

[misty aspen]

I dont think i have that on version 1.7.3. sorry

[stoic island]

you see how in the same place as that bit

you have "dram pcb revision"

[misty aspen]

yes

[stoic island]

so I wonder if they just renamed the setting

so mouse over that

[misty aspen]

Has A3/A2/B2, A0/B0, Bad Bin, Manual.

I think i had it on manual, but not sure if it should be something else.

[stoic island]

typhoon burner should tell you pcb revision actually

[misty aspen]

I'm 00h

for pcb revision

[stoic island]

interestingly, I have a revision that's not listed

[gleaming ginkgo]

does the HD audio cable have something to do with microphones? cuz my mic aint working

[stoic island]

@misty aspen also, need revision of the memory, you're probably looking at the revision of the thermal sensor

[glacial umbra]

I finally got a cpu and I'm gonna build today

thanks for the help and advice from a lot of you guys

[misty aspen]

Module

PCB revision says 00h. but i dont see that as an option.

is it because i have Zen 3 processor, and only option is for Zen 2 AM4

Reference Raw Card does say A0 though

[stoic island]

that's prob it

I'm trying to figure out what's with mine being B1 lel

[misty aspen]

But even w/ A0/B0 for DRAM PCB Revision still wont generate voltages.

[stoic island]

hm

it looks like the entirety of Micron B die isn't supported by dram calc

weird

[misty aspen]

😦

[stoic island]

Doesn't have to do with your CPU, I guess just wait for the next update of dram calc for data on it

[misty aspen]

Alright. I will try to keep at it.

Thank you for trying to assist.

[stoic island]

sorry that took a while to realize

[earnest olive]

dram calculator is basically just a database with a skin rather than an actual calculator

so yeah it is missing stuff

[stoic island]

yea

[misty aspen]

not a problem. makes sense now you say it, i tried changing the memory type to non micron b-die and everything loads perfect.

v.v

[austere flicker]

Hey friends, anyone have any luck fixing microstutters?

[wispy oar]

Whats the best way to get a decent graphics card

Theyre all sold out

[austere flicker]

I just upgraded to a 3080 TUF OC and am seeing TGP Wattage spikes that correlate with a very swift drop and bounce back in FPS

Temp, fan speed, all that stuff is fine

[little osprey]

What’s a good case for water cooling besides o11

[earnest olive]

@austere flicker are you on the most recent drivers?

[muted patio]

Yeah, the 3080 is bad about wattage spikes like that

It's actually fairly common and why some power supplies pitch fits with it

[little osprey]

What’s the difference between o11 dynamic and o11 mini

[verbal quarry]

whats the difference between the 2700x and the 3700x?

[little osprey]

Ones better

[stoic island]

iPC

architecture

[little osprey]

@muted patio but didn't they fixed these extreme wattage spikes?

[muted patio]

Is there a VBIOS update?

I'm not 100% up to speed

Drivers helped but didn't cure it

[blazing aurora]

should i get a 3060ti or a 2080 (used)?

[muted patio]

3060TI

2080 super level

[blazing aurora]

okay

alternatively: should i get a 2080 super or 3060ti

i finished my build and i just need a gpu

[muted patio]

They're about =

So, depends if you want to wait or not

The 3060 DLSS and NVENC will be better

So, up to you really

[blazing aurora]

hm

alright

[muted patio]

Or what the 2080 costs too

I'd imagine it's expensive

[blazing aurora]

for availability reasons i'll probably go with the 2080S used

[muted patio]

Careful with the used market

make sure you have some kind of buyer protection in case it's DOA

[blazing aurora]

good point

what would be a good price for a used 2080

[muted patio]

IMO, less than the 3060TI because performance and age

BUT

that ain't gonna happen XD

[blazing aurora]

yeah true lol

i don't want to wait too long for a graphics card since the rest of the build is done

[muted patio]

I mean, BB be dropping again soon

So keep tabs on them

in the mornings

[blazing aurora]

right now i'm using intel int. graphics

oh yeah bb does bi weekly drops

[muted patio]

Ye

[iron berry]

Are they dropping all cards or just 3060s

[muted patio]

Don't know

No one does

have to wait and see

[iron berry]

Gotcha

[little osprey]

Any input on this build? Friend is looking for 850usd

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kZdrwz

[iron berry]

Just curious cuz i know 60s get dropped frequently

[muted patio]

That list is private

They get dropped more frequently because more are made

They're unusable 3070 dies that get turned into 3060 chips

[blazing aurora]

solid build

[muted patio]

No

Not solid

[little osprey]

psu right

[muted patio]

5900x won't work in that board without a BIOS update

That board doesn't have flashback

SO will need a 300 series CPU to update it

[little osprey]

did I link the right build?

[muted patio]

X570 TUF yeah?

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kZdrwz

ah

this one

my bad xd

[muted patio]

I mean, that board is limited in RAM speed so future upgrades will require a different motherboard

CPU upgrades

[little osprey]

yeah.. I'm kind of bound atm since 3600 sale ends in 7 hours and i dont think we will be getting the parts now

so I had to go 10400

[muted patio]

10400 is just fine

But Intels upgrade paths kinda suck

So keep that in mind

[little osprey]

yep

[muted patio]

If you could find a Z490 board

that would negate the issue

Faster ram speeds for later processor upgrades

[little osprey]

Higher end b460 > lower end z490?

I could cut on the storage, get a 2tb hdd and spend difference on z490

[muted patio]

Not for upgrading as far as I know.

Lemme look

not an intel whiz like I am AMD

Ah

B460 is lmiited ram speed no matter how high end

need Z490 for better future upgrades

But if upgrades aren't a consideration, then don't worry about it

Also

i5 on B460

is 2666

Need i7 or i9 for 2933

[little osprey]

ah ic

[muted patio]

Ye, INtel is confusing XD

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZB6qwz

this better?

[earnest olive]

that board will easily handle the 10400

[muted patio]

Yeah, that provides a nice upgrade path

[earnest olive]

and you would do fine upgrading to the 11600K or 11700K