#building-and-recc-chat

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little leaf
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b die?

median horizon
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Mhm

little leaf
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what kit?

severe axle
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b450-f is 3466mhz max

wanton cliff
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I have 3600mhz cl16 from g.skill, I dont OC tho

median horizon
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Lemme grab it rq

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I hate newegg links.

wanton cliff
median horizon
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It’s $405, and a 4 stick kit however

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But 32 is more then enough and considering AM5 around the border, you probably won’t upgrade

little leaf
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Nice kit

wanton cliff
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Think AM5 will support quad channel as a default feature?

median horizon
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Probably not

little leaf
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Quad channel ram?

median horizon
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Zen has always been gaming oriented, with the higher end options becoming more “multitask CPU’s”

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If you ignore Zen 1, that is

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And Zen+.

wanton cliff
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'if you ignore half of zen's lineup, its gaming oriented'

median horizon
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Because that’s what heroes do.

wanton cliff
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lmao

dapper jasper
wanton cliff
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who is that for

dapper jasper
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idk the $850 build

median horizon
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Intel doesn’t scale well with ram

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He could arguably drop it even further

little osprey
dapper jasper
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2666 caps but I can’t find any cheaper

little osprey
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I don’t have the gpu on there since I’m still debating

grim pagoda
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Hey I just built my computer but the computer doesn’t recognise my gpu in device manager or anything, but the gpu fans are spinning and is powered what could this mean?

zinc ermine
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hyper 212 isnt that great of a cooler

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if you want to oc go for something better

wanton cliff
dapper jasper
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mmm ocing a 5600x

little osprey
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Yo

grim pagoda
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@languid nimbus no? But I thought it would still recognise my gpu in device manager

dapper jasper
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questionable how much juice you can take from that

grim pagoda
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My computer doesn’t even recognise I have a gpu

median horizon
little osprey
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It doesn’t have a gpu yet

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I’m still debating

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So it will go up a lot more based on that

dapper jasper
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Do you need a b550 of that sort?

zinc ermine
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you need a bios flashback board for zen 3

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unless you get lucky and the board is pre updated

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or you have a bootkit

little osprey
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I’m still studying parts, it’s only been a Month of me checking stuff

dapper jasper
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there’s like, almost no way you are going to be taking out much performance on ocing

little osprey
dapper jasper
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amd lends you a boot kit

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you do have to wait though

little osprey
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Ok

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I am very patient

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This is just a build I have been adjusting for a while

zinc ermine
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@little osprey you should go for a higher capacity ssd and remove the hdd

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because you can always add one later on

little osprey
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Tru

dapper jasper
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alright, I would say change the board to a b550m ds3h or a b550 gaming phantom, if you need wifi the b550m ds3h AC is another good one

little osprey
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or get a 4tb HDD

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they are like 60-70 last i checked

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Well I’m going Ethernet

zinc ermine
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no ssd?

zinc ermine
wanton cliff
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Ssd is necessary in 2020

little osprey
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Yep

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512gb ssd and a 2-4tb hdd

still roostBOT
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Gummy#0846 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

little osprey
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So I might go for a 1tb ssd

zinc ermine
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bruh

median horizon
zinc ermine
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4tb hdd are bad

dapper jasper
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nah wifi cards are dog, at least with my experience

zinc ermine
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they're smr drives

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which means they slow

median horizon
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250gb ssd and 4TB hdd

zinc ermine
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noooo

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dont go 4tb

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im telling you

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they're smr drives

little osprey
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Yes you are telling

zinc ermine
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they're slow af

muted patio
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Lol

median horizon
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I mean

muted patio
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Wifi card on my X570TUF is faast as hell

little osprey
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Well I mean it has more storage potential

muted patio
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AC1600

median horizon
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If you compare Samsung 860EVO (what like, $420) to a HDD

dapper jasper
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can’t handle my wifi card well on b450m ds3h lol

little osprey
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512gb is like 50 bucks and you get double the storage for less money

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Oop

median horizon
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Sure the load times are vastly improved but if you’re budget gaming, ssd’s aren’t much of an option

sly minnow
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Do u guys know how to build A Potato pc 🥔🥔

median horizon
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Price

zinc ermine
little osprey
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XD

sly minnow
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Okay guys

little osprey
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then potato cpu

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The cards I’m debating rn are the Rtx 3070 and the 6800xt

zinc ermine
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go 3070

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rdna 2 isnt good

sly minnow
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Yeah i saw 3070 is better

median horizon
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It’s better for the price

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And offers more features

little osprey
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rdna 2 is alright
but 3070 has some features that that are pretty nice.

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True

median horizon
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Radeon cards just aren’t worth the money rn

little osprey
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Yeah

next kestrel
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6900xt is

zinc ermine
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rdna 2 made great imrpovements

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but they lack a lot of things

median horizon
little osprey
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Well I’m gonna go adjust some more stuff

zinc ermine
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6900xt is the worse of the rdna 2 cards in term of value

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lol

next kestrel
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its better than every other replacement

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unless you want ray tracing

sly minnow
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Do u guys know a international shipping site to buy a iPhone

little osprey
dapper jasper
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also for whoever was the one with the build without a gpu, would say change the psu to a antec earthwatt

median horizon
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Also you’re forgetting the fact that 10gb is more then enough for most games

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Even at 4K, considering the 2080ti isn’t even being bottlenecked yet

next kestrel
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well if you're spending that much on a PC

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you'd want reasonable future proofing

sly minnow
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Do u guys know a international shipping site to buy a iPhone
?

next kestrel
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as of now, it def is

median horizon
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I mean

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If you want future proofing

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Don’t buy an 80 card then

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That’s ALWAYS been the rule

zinc ermine
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future proofing isnt a thing

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if you want future proofing dont buy anything

median horizon
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The 80’s are usually designed with

1440p (long term use) and 4K (until the next generation) in mind

median horizon
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Even then you’d be putting a big risk buying a 2080S

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I mean look at the 3060ti

zinc ermine
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?

zinc ermine
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supers are jus revamped versions of previous cards

next kestrel
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1080ti is till good

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thats ideal future proofing

zinc ermine
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and ti are generally increase in ram

median horizon
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And perf

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While the performance upgrade from the 2080 Super to the 2080ti is MINIMAL, that plus the VRAM makes it a “future proofed” card

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You can honestly hold onto a 1080ti or 2080ti for a good while before being pressured into upgrading

zinc ermine
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just spend a small amoutn and upgrade over the years

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instead of buying a 2k pc

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because you want future proofing

median horizon
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literally what the 70 and 60 cards are

versed maple
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any good mobo b550 for a 3600 ?

median horizon
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Actually

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70’s are pretty good nvm

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The 60’s have always been “get me the performance I need right now for a cheap price”

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Although if you want future proofed ampere?

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Only 4 cards come to mind

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3060ti
3070ti
3080ti
3090

little osprey
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3090 is not a future proof card lol
well it's gonna last for a while but it's a card dedicate to like...workstations

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because of the 24gb vram

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also future proof cards are relative and sometimes we don't known how games are gonna evolve

median horizon
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handicapped by the fact that it still loses to a Titan RTX in some workloads

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Nvidia pls

little osprey
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yeah...nvidia do some stupid stuff with their cards

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btw, what is the point of xx90? just name it titan something lol

median horizon
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90’s used to be a thing back then

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Titans used to be your perfect Workload/Gaming card, plus a flex

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Quadros were usually intended for workloads only

little osprey
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xx90 was just like dual GPUs on one PCB

median horizon
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Essentially

finite lark
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Is the zotac gaming twin fan 1660 super good for a 1660 super

little osprey
vital warren
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can run it on cheaper

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b550m pro4 / asrock b550 pg4

dapper jasper
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b550 phantom gaming 4

little osprey
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I have said

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Many times

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That is up for debate

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3060, 3070, 6800

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Ah

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Yeah

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wen see girl naked: where banana?

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When see pc naked: where gpu

arctic jungle
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that's future proofed enough i-

arctic jungle
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overkill

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too overkill

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@versed maple

versed maple
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CAD $ ...

arctic jungle
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still overkill

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it's just a ryzen 5

versed maple
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mm ok

arctic jungle
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i'll link a mobo

versed maple
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but if i wont this for upgrade in the future

arctic jungle
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@versed maple

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x570 for cheaper

versed maple
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Y this one and y 570

arctic jungle
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don't u want upgradability?

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x570 is the waay to go

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and this one is just better

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vrm cooling, better i/o

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fo rthe price

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like u only have a ryzen 5 3600

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you don't need a 150$ US mobo

versed maple
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and is this one can put 2 nvme ssd ?

arctic jungle
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yeah

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pci-e 4.0 as well

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it's just better

versed maple
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oh ok thx

dapper jasper
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bro those fans on the board are fugen annoying

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pcie 4.0 is on b550

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idk you’re just recommending a better chipset?

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not like there’s many more features apart from a cheap x570 and a mid/high end b550

stoic island
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B550 is great

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:P

severe axle
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and wym b550 pro4 is overkill for 3600?

stoic island
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@arctic jungle refurb

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and also, x570 UD has vrm cooling issues

odd crypt
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@stoic island

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Is this good?

stoic island
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w h y

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2600

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b450

zinc ermine
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or get high end b450 board

stoic island
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why

odd crypt
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Idk

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Budget

stoic island
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200$ for a 2600 is just stupid

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like

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what

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why

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no

odd crypt
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Ima wait till after Christmas

zinc ermine
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I hope you're not actually paying 200$ for 2600

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and also

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the 3300x is better than 2600 for games

stoic island
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doesn't matter

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10400 :P

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btw there's no PSU in the list

cyan stone
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Fans on the x63 are swappable, right?

stoic island
deep skiff
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no

odd crypt
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Hes trying. To get robux

turbid helm
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hi

turbid helm
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ok

odd crypt
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But theres only 2 ram sticks

turbid helm
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buddy

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I need

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help

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for building

severe axle
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ok send pcpp link

shut quest
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I need a rtx 3060 ti

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When do they restock

cyan stone
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Sorry to spam my question here, but does anyone know if the fans on the kraken x63 are swappable?

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When do they restock
@shut quest
No one knows.

odd crypt
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@stoic island

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Will a cooler master hyper work with it?

turbid helm
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@odd crypt sry

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for being rude

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ok

odd crypt
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Me to

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Wanns get married?

turbid helm
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No

odd crypt
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Jk

turbid helm
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Cool

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now

odd crypt
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Ye

turbid helm
stoic island
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gammaxx 400

turbid helm
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k bye

versed maple
stoic island
odd crypt
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Fixed it

stoic island
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what's with the psu

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why not just use the EVGA BA

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why use some offbrand PSU with no real review data

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and as long as you know 212 evo is throwing money away, oh well.

little osprey
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aresgame? never heard of.

stoic island
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me neither

odd crypt
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What bout the 212

wanton cliff
odd crypt
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Black is better

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Its quieter

dapper jasper
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hyper 212 lmfao

little osprey
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i would go with like

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a evga br instead

nimble sinew
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hello!

dapper jasper
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br is dog

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sup

nimble sinew
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What are we up to today?

dapper jasper
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bullying people

little osprey
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atleast they don't blown up on your face

nimble sinew
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oh cool!

little osprey
dapper jasper
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why because it’s EVGA?

little osprey
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nah

nimble sinew
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Are we talking about PSU bombs again?!

little osprey
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probally

dapper jasper
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nah nah nah fam these bronze units are not good for the price

nimble sinew
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I'm an expert on building super ghetto PSU bombs.

wanton cliff
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picrew avatar

nimble sinew
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picrew gang

little osprey
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nice.

stoic island
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@wanton cliff both tbh, they're not worth more than 20$

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@odd crypt the price

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Gammaxx 400 exists

wanton cliff
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good cooler for 3800x?

stoic island
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Gammaxx 400 is nice

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@wanton cliff when'd you buy your 3800x

wanton cliff
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august

stoic island
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This year or last year

nimble sinew
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The power!

ivory hornet
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I’m a newb and have a question i have a Cm1000 modem and a Ac2300 router netgear product the router constantly drops wifi throughout the day looking at upgrading what would be the best way to go ?

stoic island
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@nimble sinew I'd go at least a bit better on the ram, and I think there are some 40$ cases where you don't need to add extra fans

odd crypt
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So is gammaxx good?

stoic island
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Gammaxx 400 is great for the price

odd crypt
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Send me the pcpp

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With it

stoic island
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@ivory hornet what about the device where the wifi is dropping?

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Do it yourself :p

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On mobile atm

odd crypt
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Oh

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V2 or the normal 1

stoic island
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Either

odd crypt
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V2 is 21

ivory hornet
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the device is my wife’s work computer my daughters computers and then their phones but i can be out in the living room on the ps and not have a problem when this happens .

odd crypt
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What's the problem

nimble sinew
odd crypt
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For who reggie

nimble sinew
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OH, that was for Mr1111.

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He suggested ram switch and case switch

odd crypt
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Oh

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Ew ketchup wires

nimble sinew
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😦

odd crypt
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Jk

zinc ermine
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bomb psu poggers

odd crypt
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Its for u liking

little osprey
nimble sinew
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It's cheap! 😄

little osprey
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haha
psu go boom

odd crypt
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Whatd ur budget

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@nimble sinew

nimble sinew
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$500! 😄

little osprey
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btw everyone forget the rule number one on building a pc

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never cheap out on psu

nimble sinew
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OSU?!

odd crypt
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Omg

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Osu

little osprey
odd crypt
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It's what imma play when I get my pc

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So my aim would be better

little osprey
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so yeah
never cheap out on psu

nimble sinew
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There.

little osprey
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otherwise you will end like me
who got 3 psus dead
a mobo killed
a ram damaged

nimble sinew
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Look at the power!!!

odd crypt
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Better

nimble sinew
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So much strength packed into $530

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I saved this build as Let's get Janky

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part of me is wondering if I should go 10400f

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and just blow the budget.

little osprey
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imo
you should

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it's like 50 bucks more and you get two extra cores and 4 threads

wanton cliff
nimble sinew
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do I get a used 1650 then to recover?

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or a used 1060!

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😮

wanton cliff
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1060 vs 1650?

little osprey
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also 1650 new? nah
get a used gpu

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rx 570 goes for 100$ on ebay

nimble sinew
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ooh

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rx 570!

little osprey
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but beware of scammers and cards with VGA

nimble sinew
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okay!

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I was thinking of craigslist or facebook marketplace

little osprey
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that works aswell

nimble sinew
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gaming on a budget!

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cyberpunk 2077 here I come!

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jkjk, I already got a PC.

stoic island
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@wanton cliff it'll do fine then

wanton cliff
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a 212 black edition?

stoic island
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gammaxx 400

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screw 212 :P

wanton cliff
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yeah ik, got it for the 3600 and then used it for a 3800x when I swapped

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so I should get a gammaxx 400?

stoic island
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sure

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anyways my 3800x runs so hot :P

wanton cliff
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I get max 80c in R20 even with only a 212

stoic island
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Power draw wise, this peaks at 180w pulled at 1.3v 4.2ghz

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96c max with a D15 (P95 smallfft)

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@wanton cliff r20 is NOT a good way to tell temps btw

wanton cliff
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idk a good benchmark for heat

stoic island
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prime95 smallfft

wanton cliff
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CPU wise that is

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good to know

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ill run a test later

stoic island
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make sure smallfft

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not blend

wanton cliff
stoic island
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yes

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pretty sure LTT went over it like a year ago

wanton cliff
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wait is that real?

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i thought it was PS

stoic island
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it was xeon actually I think
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left shore
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Hello. Can someone make me a list for 600 USD mostly to play 2K and Fortnite just the PC alone thank you.

wanton cliff
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600 huh?

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gonna be a bit hard

left shore
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Yeah

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Could be with used parts too

wanton cliff
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hard for 2k*

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1080p is doable tho

left shore
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No I meant 2K as in the game

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It's a 1080P machine

wanton cliff
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oh

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i thought you meant 2k resolution

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as in 1440p

left shore
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Nah nah

wanton cliff
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does anyone else in this channel know if $600 is 3060ti territory?

left shore
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Lol that would be a bit overkill tho

wanton cliff
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cheap tho

left shore
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That alone is like 400

wanton cliff
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oh yeah

left shore
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The other components are going have to be built from legos

wanton cliff
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alright so here is a bruh moment

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all the parts lists I had below $500 on pcpartpicker are now over $800

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I just dont think it's going to be possible for fortnite and 2k to be honest

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not at $600 at least

left shore
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Well I can also get used parts

wanton cliff
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not possible

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wait a few months I say

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then come back

left shore
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Maybe getting a 500W will help

wanton cliff
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didnt think soi

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for some reason i thought it was $300 lmao

little osprey
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It’s more 1k territory if anything

wanton cliff
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what?

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$800 maybe

little osprey
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No

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1k

wanton cliff
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yeah

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its only $400

little osprey
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If you want a good cpu and stuff

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Don’t want to cheap out on the rest

wanton cliff
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for $800 you can get a 3060ti, a 2600, a cheap B550, and 16 gigs of RAM

little osprey
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2600 don’t make me laugh

vital warren
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you should be able to do 3060ti + good cpu for 900 ish

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2600 ew

left shore
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Any ideas on what I can do for 600?

vital warren
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atleast 3600 / 10400

wanton cliff
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2600x I meant

little osprey
little osprey
wanton cliff
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3600s are way overblown in terms of pricing rn

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minimum $380

little osprey
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10400 was also said

wanton cliff
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10400 works too

little osprey
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Or 3700x

wanton cliff
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I was talking with current pricing in mind btw

candid elbow
little osprey
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Certainly not for MSRP

wanton cliff
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it is more available than any other card

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comes in stock for MSRP more often than anything else

little osprey
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I’m going to be honest I haven’t seen any of them in stock

dapper jasper
candid elbow
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Gpu stock is terrible rn

little osprey
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That’s a nasty price for 3600

left shore
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@little osprey Can you help make me a 600 USD build for gaming

candid elbow
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I’ll wait and see till the prices drop

left shore
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Thank you

little osprey
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Want me to make it from scratch or revise one of your lists?

left shore
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I had a build going but the GPU was gonna put it over

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Well whatever makes it better for you

little osprey
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Does it have to be all new

left shore
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Nope

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If it's used it's ok

little osprey
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So like if it were to use a Xeon or something you’re fine with that

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?

left shore
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As long as it works good for gaming

little osprey
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Gotcha

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BRB

left shore
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Thank you

exotic dragon
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I have a 1050 and I have i5 7400, I have a 500 dollar budget, what should I upgrade to?

dark pendant
dapper jasper
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looks like sata

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uhh hard drive?

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idk it looks pretty chunk for a sata

little osprey
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@left shore it’s a bunch of links so do you mind if I sent them in DM first so I don’t clog up chat

left shore
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Yeah go for it

narrow rose
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@dark pendant looks kind of a like a type A usb

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think also called esata

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is it connected to a hot swap drive bay or something

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If im right it would need a female to female cord from the motherboard to it

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or its just some weird propreitery cord that goes into a fan or aio

foggy hazel
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@dark pendant its a connector that goes to a internal usb 3.1 gen2 header

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@narrow rose see above :)

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@dark pendant the header on the mainboard looks like this

narrow rose
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oh wierd didnt know the header changed

foggy hazel
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a lot of people dont

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which gets them when they buy cases

narrow rose
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no more pins huh nice

foggy hazel
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because the usb foundation HAS to be as confusing as possible

narrow rose
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yeah they do

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also from some digging it looks like 3.1 gen 2 can use either header the new or the old.... extra confusing

little osprey
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@narrow rose is 16GB of DDR4 or 128GB DDR3 better?

narrow rose
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depends on use case

little osprey
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General

foggy hazel
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that is a very weird question

little osprey
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Use case

little osprey
foggy hazel
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context matters for answering it

little osprey
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This guy in DMs is trying to tell me 16GB is better

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And I’m saying 128 is better

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Because of sheer quantity

muted patio
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DDR4 is faster

little osprey
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Quantity though

foggy hazel
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are you trying to feed a APU? then ddr4 is better

little osprey
muted patio
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Quantity isn't everything

little osprey
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Never said it was

#

But it’s a HUGE difference

foggy hazel
#

are you trying to keep a dataset in memory and avoid swapping? then the 128gigs is better

muted patio
#

It's like asking if 100 pennies it better than 100 dimes

narrow rose
#

bandwidth vs speed vs older hardware i mean its an apples to oranges comparison

muted patio
#

Pennies are bigger, Pennies are better

narrow rose
#

more like are a 100 pennies better than 10 dimes...

foggy hazel
#

and those 2 examples are just thinking about the tip the iceberg that is the "context" needed to actually answer the question @little osprey

muted patio
#

No Nil, because those are equal 😉

#

maybe 10 quarters

#

but....getting into the weeds here

little osprey
#

Preety sure the DDR3 Is going to be better

muted patio
#

kek

foggy hazel
#

because, depending on the "problem" you are trying to solve, you can debate that either of those options that you are asking about, is the "best"

little osprey
#

Like 90 percent of the time

narrow rose
#

like in games no it wont be better

little osprey
muted patio
#

Mmm

#

DDR4 would still be better

little osprey
#

Doubtttt

muted patio
#

Faster render times

narrow rose
#

then do you factor in the fact that newer cpus and gpus wont work with ddr3?

foggy hazel
#

@muted patio you are assuming things :)

muted patio
#

bandwidth for rendering

little osprey
#

Because 128GB DDR3 is actually affordable

muted patio
#

I'm not assuming anything. Later.

little osprey
#

DDR4 is not

foggy hazel
#

@little osprey its a non-realistic question, because you dont have (on the desktop) ddr3 and ddr4 on the same platforms

narrow rose
#

ddr4 prices are actually really good imo having seen the ups and downs of ram in the last 20 years

#

16gb of 3600 cl 16 ram for like $70 seems like a bargain

foggy hazel
#

@little osprey are you actually curious about it? or are you just debating it for the sake of it?

little osprey
#

Debating for the sake of it

#

If it’s much of an issue to figure out don’t worry about it lol

foggy hazel
#

its simple enough

little osprey
#

I’m still pretty set on DDR3 though

narrow rose
#

I mean if there were set parameters like same cpu hard drive and mobo it would be easier to answer

foggy hazel
#

but its just about 10 walls of text to explain

#

are you curious enough to jump in voice channel @little osprey ?

narrow rose
#

got him lol

little osprey
#

It’s fine

narrow rose
#

its just difficult to make blanket statements

#

someone somewhere will prove you wrong on the internet lol

foggy hazel
narrow rose
#

The other day I was joking about a blind pilot and then boom someone posted an article about a blind pilot making a cross atlantic flight

narrow rose
# foggy hazel hm?

"got him" as in he cares but not enough for you to explain it to him for an hour lol

foggy hazel
#

ah. fair

#

because i dont try to "get" anyone. I just try very hard to stick to what is fact and what is not.

#

if on the path of doing so, someone has their ego trampled, i am sorry, but fact is fact. and fact over fiction any day

narrow rose
#

thats why I ❤️ you @foggy hazel

foggy hazel
#

squints

#

now, you just stay in that corner .... and i will be back with what is 100% certainly NOT a straight jacket

#

:)

narrow rose
#

always there with the cold hard facts when you need em lol

foggy hazel
#

its just easier to talk about tech that way

narrow rose
#

wish reporters had your ethics

foggy hazel
#

there is SO much misinformation floating around

#

also, sidenote @narrow rose, i am not smarter than you

#

i just focus on other things than you do

narrow rose
#

true story

foggy hazel
#

(yes i saw your message the other day)

hollow grail
#

ooh whats goin on here

narrow rose
#

lol yeah I did mean specifically as a techie 😉

foggy hazel
#

again, fairly certain there are areas you know more about than i do

#

tech is "too wide" a field to know everything in

#

it was not that long ago you brought something up that i was not aware of

#

something something, board specific

narrow rose
#

it happens yeah maybe that msi thing

foggy hazel
#

sounds right

#

i will "know/remember" the moment i see that board model again

#

(how my brain works)

narrow rose
#

I build all my family and friends PCs so that helps keep me somewhat relevant

foggy hazel
#

aye :)

#

completely random side stepping of topic

#

looks like i will be switching my parents to ipads/iphones

narrow rose
#

nice

foggy hazel
#

because tablet life (for my mother) is just horrible on the current hardware on the windows side of things

narrow rose
#

I dont personally like apple but yeah its what I would recommend anyone that doesnt want to tinker with anything and just go

foggy hazel
#

and Huawei not getting google updates makes their phones into brick in about 3 months

#

and having a similar "set of actions" that work on both their phones and their tablets/computers = a lot easier to teach my dad how things work

narrow rose
#

oh yeah for sure

foggy hazel
#

because they are both getting up there in age

#

and it really cannot be debated that the ipads are not very nice to use from a regular consumer pov

hollow grail
#

ipads are great to use yeah

#

theyre the only tablets where actual effort is being made into app development

foggy hazel
#

aye

narrow rose
#

yeah they are really user friendly just a pain for power users who want to get in their and make changes

foggy hazel
#

and they keep on evolving the interface for it

hollow grail
#

@narrow rose even then, if you want a tablet, you get ipad. if you want a full pc, you get a full pc

#

imo tablets arent for power users

little osprey
#

Surface pro

foggy hazel
narrow rose
#

no physical back button or hardcoded software button irks me when using peoples ipads but they seem, to be fine

foggy hazel
#

thats just habit Nil

narrow rose
#

I know

hollow grail
foggy hazel
#

they do gestures instead

foggy hazel
hollow grail
#

yeah naed ive owned a few of them

#

they kinda suck

narrow rose
#

i was real excited about that arm surface but then I got one....lol

foggy hazel
#

the following might make me sound crazy, but i firmly stand by it.

hollow grail
#

if you want tablet form factor you need a tablet centric os

#

honestly chrome os hit it out of the ballpark

foggy hazel
#

The moment that the "metro" UI got "dumped", the tablet interface windows became a pipedream

#

because metro was LOVELY for tablets

hollow grail
#

since all i rly use laptops for are web browsing and ssh

#

that plus android app support

narrow rose
#

I liked metro but it was too sci fi for people lol

hollow grail
#

is amazing

foggy hazel
#

did either of you ever use a phone with metro?

hollow grail
#

i did yeah

#

loved it

narrow rose
#

yeah i liked it

hollow grail
#

i always get shafted

#

i had a palm pre

#

then

#

windows phone

foggy hazel
#

both my parents picked that up and instantly "just" used it

hollow grail
#

then blackberry 10

narrow rose
#

ME TOO palm pre was awesome

#

mine still works

hollow grail
#

all my phone os die Cry

foggy hazel
#

they went from old nokia phones, to smartphones WITHOUT me having a month long headache teaching them

narrow rose
#

palm os was ahead of it time

hollow grail
#

@narrow rose did yours turn off when u snapped it shut too hard

foggy hazel
#

i have to tip my hat at that

narrow rose
#

@hollow grail nope mine worked great and still does

foggy hazel
#

blackberry was not really a thing in the consumer space here

narrow rose
#

I use it as an mp3 player now

foggy hazel
hollow grail
#

lol it was a common issue with the like

narrow rose
#

I had a blackberry but I didnt really like it

hollow grail
#

day one units

#

i still want a passport

#

that phone is cool

narrow rose
#

I still blame HP for killing palm

hollow grail
#

i blame HP for every inconvenience ive ever faced

#

almost never been wrong too keeeek

narrow rose
#

lol

junior sky
#

good or bad

narrow rose
#

@foggy hazel oddly enough my 102 year old grandmother still uses a windows phone...

stoic island
#

where da ssd

junior sky
#

i have a 500gb samsung ssd

#

in my laptop

#

that in gonna use for boot drive

hollow grail
#

ew sata ssd

junior sky
#

no its nvme

hollow grail
#

nice then

junior sky
#

lol

hollow grail
#

no complaints except for the hdd omegalul

junior sky
#

hey

#

im trying to save money

hollow grail
#

oh

#

and the aio

junior sky
#

but i still want some things

#

shuish

hollow grail
#

120mm aio is a waste

junior sky
#

its a travel pc

narrow rose
#

i say drop the strix mobo and get the strix 3060ti

hollow grail
#

doesnt change anything

#

still bad use of money

junior sky
#

big aircooler according to someone can dammage the bracket on the mobo

#

if something bad happen

#

in car or soemthign

hollow grail
#

honestly stock cooler is alright

narrow rose
#

set it in the car so the mobo is flat no more stress

junior sky
#

also i use strix mobo for usbc

#

yesik i do that

hollow grail
#

if you arent hitting it with fat oc

foggy hazel
junior sky
#

im going to be doing 3000 ghz oc

hollow grail
#

id travel with an air cooler over an aio tbh

foggy hazel
junior sky
#

naed is toxic

#

what cooler

foggy hazel
#

low profile noctua comes to mind

junior sky
#

also what mobo

foggy hazel
#

depending on clearance in that case

narrow rose
#

one that costs less than $150 imo

junior sky
#

im gonna do OC

narrow rose
#

doesnt matter

#

unless using LN2 it will be fine

junior sky
#

but i want one with usbc

hollow grail
#

why do u have such a boner for usbc

narrow rose
#

search all mobo with usbc

hollow grail
#

and just do that

narrow rose
#

and the gpu has a usb c doesnt it?

hollow grail
#

honestly a lot of non budget boards have it

foggy hazel
#

no Nil

narrow rose
#

oh

foggy hazel
#

they removed that on the 3000 series

hollow grail
#

2000 series usbc gang

#

i use it to charge my phone

narrow rose
#

me too lol

foggy hazel
#

@junior sky if you want actual feedback, please post the actual PCPP link

#

for the full list

narrow rose
#

samsung made my power cord c to c...

hollow grail
#

lol i just had an anker cord

#

use it to charge my laptop but i got two

#

and that board is fine

junior sky
narrow rose
#

so now pretty much all of the regular usb ports in my car couches etc are all worthless to me now 😦

foggy hazel
#

just place small adapters in them @narrow rose

hollow grail
#

lol just get a type c to type a

narrow rose
#

yeah thats what I need like 30 adapters lol

foggy hazel
#

also, do yourself a favour and put some velcro tape on the side of the adapter

narrow rose
#

or just one that stays on the cord i guess

foggy hazel
#

and have a spot in your dashboard storage room that has a spot you can place it

narrow rose
#

yeah

foggy hazel
#

its what one of my clients does in their company vans

#

seems to work just fine for them

#

and they are a motley crew of people

junior sky
#

case has 165mm cpu clearance

narrow rose
#

my phone died the first time I went on the road with my 20+ I had a car charger all ready and grabbed the cord still attached to the wall plug and left the house then realized when phone was dying it was a "c" on both ends....

hollow grail
#

lmao

#

here prob solved

narrow rose
#

pulled into a gas station bought a car charger with a c port it couldnt charge the phone faster than the phone used battery for gps....it was a long trip....

junior sky
#

what cpu cooler should I get

narrow rose
#

then I was like lewis and clark out there navigating by word of mouth from gas station attendants

foggy hazel
#

L9i is an option @junior sky

junior sky
#

Is there a reason for the low profile cooler?

narrow rose
#

travel small case portability...

junior sky
#

its not really that small of a case

alpine dawn
#

Hey can someone make a Call and hwlp me create a pc for 1.5k

junior sky
#

it can support pretty big coolers

foggy hazel
#

consider the following: can you guarantee that someone is NOT going to try and play congas with your case?

junior sky
#

I mean im expecting it to survive the occasional speed bump here and there

#

but its usually gonna be somewhere where it not gonna be sliding etc

foggy hazel
#

then grab a u12

stoic island
#

U12s prob, U12a is a thicc heavy one

alpine dawn
#

Can someone help me create a pc?

junior sky
#

70$ on amazon for the black version

#

yikes

narrow rose
#

$10 less than 120mm krakken you had on list and better performance...

foggy hazel
#

no

narrow rose
#

unless you gave up on overclocking...

junior sky
#

ah

foggy hazel
#

long story short: Overpriced and overhyped for what it is

junior sky
#

Yeah just saw that price and got interested

foggy hazel
#

and a ... annoying .. mounting system

#

something for you to figure out @junior sky , which gen of usb c header does that case use?

narrow rose
#

I thought it wasnt a good time unless the cooler fins cut you a few times during installation lol

foggy hazel
junior sky
#

3.1

#

type c

foggy hazel
#

that is the version

#

not the "gen"

junior sky
#

o

foggy hazel
#

it matters for the header you need on the mainboard

#

you want that case, you figure that detail out :)

narrow rose
#

speaking of the header does that have an adapter?

foggy hazel
#

adapting from gen to gen is possible yes

narrow rose
#

what a pain

foggy hazel
#

yes

#

the info is in the manual @junior sky

narrow rose
#

reminds me of the time I had to take my tire off to change the headlight in my Jeep....Its like who thought this was a good idea..?

muted patio
#

my Nissan is that way

#

It's behind the fender liner

narrow rose
#

you would think that would be flagged in development

junior sky
#

Yep, I have no clue

foggy hazel
#

just open the manual, its on the manufacturers page for the case @junior sky

#

if memory serves, its page 2 or 3

junior sky
#

god the tet for the manual was in white over a yellow box

#

and i didnt notice it

foggy hazel
#

no one ever blamed Lian Li for having a good site

narrow rose
#

its gen 1

foggy hazel
#

at least nowadays, it loads in loads in less than 3 minutes

#

@narrow rose you want to stake anything on that?

junior sky
narrow rose
#

no just going off the board lian li recommended so its a guess

junior sky
#

assuming this is it

foggy hazel
#

now, read what you just wrote @narrow rose

#

:)

narrow rose
#

odd that they reccomend a board that only has gen 1 to go with that case...

foggy hazel
#

picture says gen2

narrow rose
#

I see how I am wrong but I lay 20% of the blame on Lian Li

foggy hazel
#

:D

junior sky
#

alr so this is what im at

foggy hazel
#

you generally wont be needing that amount of fans, but if you want them, have at it

junior sky
#

hmmm

foggy hazel
#

and IF you want that amount of fans, you are going to need either a fan hub or splitters

junior sky
#

Should I just have 1 fan front, 1 fan back, and 1 fan on the bottom

foggy hazel
#

because iirc, that board only has 3 headers

junior sky
#

yeah was also gonna ask about that

foggy hazel
#

1 front, and 1 back

#

should be enough

#

the "base" ones will be handled by the gpu

junior sky
#

alr

#

So anything else I need to buy or is the list fine

foggy hazel
#

side note, i have no personal experience with the PSU on your list, so i cannot really vouch for it

#

the nearest model i have experience with is the SF from corsair

narrow rose
#

I like my supernova but its not that line

junior sky
#

Yeah the case can only support SFX and SFX-L

stoic island
#

SF did have that batch that needed replacement so be careful

foggy hazel
#

aye, i remember that @stoic island

junior sky
#

There's also a silverstone GPU that's 650w and around the same price

foggy hazel
#

hence why i am NOT recommending it outright, just giving my experience around it

junior sky
#

i mean PSU

foggy hazel
#

the silverstones are what i "used" to use

#

but their fan quality has been ... annoying ..

narrow rose
#

waiting for him to say before the 🔥 of 20xx

foggy hazel
#

as in, it was "normal" to replace the fan the moment you got them

#

because they would just drive you bonkers

junior sky
#

I think i'm gonna get the EVGA 650 watt unless someone says otherwise

foggy hazel
#

nah, dont have any good yay or nay reasons to oppose that

narrow rose
#

me either evga is decent brand

junior sky
#

alr so this is what im planning to get

narrow rose
#

list is private

junior sky
#

Shoot

foggy hazel
#

edit and share that list instead

junior sky
#

yes

foggy hazel
#

the following MIGHT sound bonkers to you, but skip the HDD if you can

junior sky
#

Just using the HDD for games etc

foggy hazel
#

if you plan to move this case a lot, just save yourself the potential headache

narrow rose
#

I like that the motherboard is $50 cheaper now 🙂

foggy hazel
#

HDD are NOT happy about random bumps

junior sky
#

hmm

foggy hazel
#

yes, the heads etc will be parked etc

#

but seriously, get a ssd, and you wont have anything to worry about at all

narrow rose
#

you could buy special ones or special mounts but an ssd would be cheaper and faster

junior sky
#

I already have a 500gb nvme SSD should I just get like a 2.5in

foggy hazel
#

aye

#

a 2.5inch is perfectly fine

#

even a "slow" one will still be leagues faster than the HDD

junior sky
#

so a 1TB samsung 860 EVO

muted patio
#

For loading games and OS, there's virutally no difference between an SSD and NVME

junior sky
#

2.5in

#

100$

#

ok

foggy hazel
#

aye, that could work just fine

narrow rose
#

thats a little steep in price but a great drive

foggy hazel
#

and would fit the colour of things you seem to be going for too

junior sky
#

ok this will do

#

ty

foggy hazel
#

you are very welccome

narrow rose
#

@junior sky I want to see pics in #build-pics when its done 😀

junior sky
#

its gonna be a while sad

#

still need to actually order the 3060 and 5600x

#

aswell as eveerything else

foggy hazel
#

focus on the 3060 and the 5600x

junior sky
#

yea

foggy hazel
#

those are going to be the "tricky" ones to get

#

the rest is either common or weird enough that it wont be a problem

junior sky
#

yep

narrow rose
#

I have seen available zotac 3060ti's twice now

#

so they do exist

#

also best buy does this thing where they release in small batches all throughout the day

#

if you just sit there on the page and stare at it all day

#

I was able to get a PS5 for my nephew 2 days ago from best buy like that

#

spent 4 hours listening to an audio book staring at best buys website waiting for the button to turn yellow lol

quasi snow
#

cpu/mobo pricing is a microcenter bundle

stoic island
#

uh

#

ram is interesting

quasi snow
#

is intel better with 3200?

little osprey
#

Can someone help me with a cooling case fan ?

stoic island
#

just team is

#

interesting

quasi snow
#

anything besides that?

#

I'll change it to g.skill

wanton cliff
stoic island
#

I mean

#

1$ more and you get 3200c16 instead of 3000c16

wanton cliff
#

well if its a dollar

vague flower
#

Question , is a graphics card recommended for a work pc?

#

No gaming on this pc

stoic island
#

Depends

#

@vague flower what's the budget, and what kind of work?

vague flower
#

Not sure yet my uncle was looking to build one

#

He wanted it for his work and is asking me about what he should get

#

Don’t think it’s any heavy work

stoic island
#

Ask him how much he's looking to spend in total, and what kind of work he is doing

vague flower
#

Mk

wanton cliff
#

3200g by itself should be more than enough if it is just normal office work

vague flower
#

Prob under 850

#

He is doing light works

stark bramble
#

o dang lightworks

stoic island
#

prob 10400 build then

#

I'll slap a list together

wanton cliff
#

me who got a 3600x and a 1660s for my dad's banking work

vague flower
#

He works for a moving company and he wanted to manage the website and emails

stoic island
#

@vague flower "light works" as in lightworks, the editing software, or light workloads?

vague flower
#

He doesn’t do any of that

stoic island
#

so light workloads?

vague flower
#

Yeah

wanton cliff
#

what is Ransom:Win32/Eris?

stoic island
#

~440$ before tax, not bad

little osprey
#

but it's still a rumor, i would still go with 3200 anyway

halcyon edge
#

yo

#

what yall think?

forest breach
#

not bad, though you could probably go for a 650W PSU if you're tryna bring the price down a lil

sinful hornet
#

What

#

No

#

Why

#

That’d have to be a Damn good 650

halcyon edge
forest breach
#

why not? looking at the build the wattage estimates are between 450 - 550 range

little osprey
#

plus 750w allows some room to OC

hushed pumice
#

I built a pc that doesnt show anything on the monitor. The Pc turns on and has rgb fans that light up so I know its running. I had tested the graphics card before hand and it works. Can anyone give me advice on what to check next?

halcyon edge
#

i switched the 3080 to 3070 it was to expensive

quick shore
#

yo could anyone here help me wit some pc issues

little osprey
little osprey
quick shore
#

okay so couple weeks ago my pc went thru a bunch of boot loops and bsod

#

so the other week I got it sent to a local pc repair shop and he diagnosed that it was either a mobo issue or RAM

#

so I got new ram, and it still bsod and would get a bunch of error 41 kernel events

#

just recently I got a new motherboard, and I still have this problem

#

like earlier I was playing some halo and the pc reset itself 3 times and then I got a blue screen saying that windows didn't load correctly

little leaf
#

Outdatded drivers

#

I belive 41 is drivers

quick shore
#

which drivers should I check out then

#

should I also bother with updating my bios

muted patio
#

Error 41 is just the improper shutdown itself

#

Not the real issue

#

SHoul dbe another ERROR or CRITICAL event that will have a stop code

hushed pumice
quick shore
#

should I send a pic of the 41 itself in the event viewer

muted patio
#

no

#

because that's not the issue

#

That's merely logging the shutdown

#

The real issue will be a red !

quick shore
#

i see

muted patio
#

Either Critical or Error

#

with a stop code like 0xc0000005 or something

#

Along with a file name

little osprey
quick shore
#

then what u think going on here vintage racer

muted patio
#

You are familiar with Event Viewer

#

So, open it, go to Windows Logs, then System

#

Right side, filter view by Critical and Error

#

Then find one that is close to a Kernel Power event, Ideally just before it

#

Need the STOP code and and file name

#

Ignore anything with DCOM or Distributed COM also

#

Ideally, the Level will be ERROR and the Source will be APPLICATION

quick shore
#

im on the event viewer rn and the event right before the kernel is an event log

#

6008

muted patio
#

Remember, red circle with a !

#

That will be ERROR or CRITICAL

quick shore
#

i see a couple of the red circles with a !