#building-and-recc-chat
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This is my first build and I am getting 16gb of ram at 3200mhz
@acoustic radish then probably a B450 Tomahawk Max
Is the asrock B450 steel legend a good option?
@karmic bobcat alrighty thank you then
I have an x570 Steel Legend Wifi AX and it's pretty decent, so I'd assume the same could be said for a b450 version
Well hold on
Do you plan on overclocking your 3100?
@karmic bobcat alrighty thank you then
@true copper np
For the moment no
Then yes your fine
Keep in mind if you upgrade your CPU or you decide to heavily overclock
Reason: Bad word usage
Ok, thanks bro
Np
If anyone knows about gigabyte aorus boards hop over in #cpus-mobo-and-memory and give me a hand if you can
best program to control fans on mobo
like
the sys fans pump fans cpu fans
anyone know ?
@prisma stag
Does the bios not have a fan utility?
yes but i have dragon center program on desktop that lets me control them without going into bios but the mystic light that is on dragon center, intereferes with iCue according to corsair cause it overrides settings, so i was trying to find a diff program that ppl use
Just use the bios and set a curve you like and apply. It's extremely easy
Thanks but like I said Im looking for a program that people use
Sounds like your over complicating something that's easy
Sounds like you are missing the point
Nice
Don't want to restart the computer to mess with fans when I don't have to
Which is why
I asked my original question
Just set it in the bios to the curve you want then use MSI after burner to set a curve on the gpu
Good luck ignorance is bless
Omg dont like the answers then shut up lol
Didn't answer my question
They did
No
They use fan curves in bios
Dude is straight up ignorant. I wouldn't advise helping him.
I kno ignorance is bliss
Whats a good pc build for 650-800$?
Who jeeds software. When the intelligent man uses the tools given on the pc to prevent bloatware of add on software
?
The guy that doesn't want to restart computer to mess with fans
If you don't know the answer
then dont talk
lmfao
U do it one time idiotttt
what do you do when the BIOS doesn't have fan control software
That's impossible
Hahaha
Lol start the fans like you start your plane engine
Dude is a noob 🤣
@prisma stag I haven't had luck with fan control programs
And if read instead of complained he see one person said msi afterburner
Dragon center I can control the fans without going into bios
That's only gpu fans joes
afterburner for gpu fan smh
MSI Dragon Center Download webpage
This controls fans
Like I want
but it has mystic light
I want a program
like that
but different cause dragon center has mystic light
It installs other programs along with it
exactly
YOO
Dragon Centre 😳
It's actually a place lol
I would also like a fan control program tbh
You don't need software for the system fans. The bio has optimized settings and manual settings. Gpu needs software though with after burner. I told him but he's to stubborn and noobish to listen. Acting like a simp to me pfft
Go to bed
let me make this clear, I'm poking at them lmfao
Truly a 🤦♂️🤦🤷♂️🤷
cut the crap stop arguing with each other
lol
🤣
anyways I started blasting
What program would yall suggest for controlling sys fans?

when installing the ryzen 5 stock cooler, do you still need thermal paste?
no
@sacred knot the thermal paste comes pre applied
Fr
preapplied on the cooler right?
yes
yep
ayt thanks
unless you somehow rub your finger all over it, you should be good
I use this
ill make sure not to touch anything 🙂
i havent received the cpu yet
but i should be getting it soon
you should re apply thermal paste once in 2-3 years
thanks for the info 🙂
Thoughts? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nd2wz7
Make it a thin coat of thermal compound.
kinda underkill monitor
would highly suggest a 4K 144hertz
x method
I would say make a cross on the IHS as amd IHS is big
x method works too
or do it manually
I spread it manually with a card super thin. Less is more. The less thermal compound the better conduct you'll have with the cpu heat spreader and the heat sink
I don't take advice from you
just apply a X or a drop in middle
so wait... then i need to apply thermal paste for the ryzen stock cooler?
so wait... then i need to apply thermal paste for the ryzen stock cooler?
@sacred knot
stock cooler comes preapplied
no need to apple thermal paste
Lmao you don't even know how to use the bios lmao
lmao lmao bios fan control lmao lmao
people usually change the thermal paste as it is better than what company applies but it should get you through amd stock configurations
like without OC
You should look into an aftermarket fan or AIO
nah R5 3600 stock cooler is fine
wait i dont understand what you said @ebon wing
Boosting will be higher and more stable
@sacred knot what cpu do u have
ryzen 5 3600
Oh a 3600 lol
no need for a AIO or beefy heatsinks
yeah thats what ive been told so i didnt order one
3600 is a cool chip
My 3700x needs an aio to keep that 4.30Ghz going
I'm blocking him
undervolt it
Had enough of that
xd
He's technically not wrong, but no use in keeping it going
"Hey guys what is a good program to your fans?"
errrrrrrrr just err use ur errrrrr bios errrrrrrrr
man just give it up
Speedfan
my day be so fine
dabs
then boom BIOS fan
To get more out of the cpu. Find a good debloat script and run in powershell. More bang for your buck
@sonic drift You use speedfan?
I used to, yeah
or use Icue software if u have corsair fan
what gpu and cpu should i get since the amd 5 5600x is going to be gone for a long time and i doubt i’ll get my hands on the radeon
You can control fans with it?
It was decent. Kept track of my temps and could control fans
@mystic needle budget ?
See these are the answers I was looking for when I originally asked my question.
Not the ones Hybrid was throwing out
then he got mad
Thanks guys
I'll play with iCue and try to figure it out
Didn't know it had fan control
@ebon wing like 1500
whole pc
im just worried about if my computer will be able to run the newer games coming out
for a while
yeah yeah it will be able to do dat
R5 5600X
b550 aorus pro
cheapest 2x8 gb 3200 or 3600 mhz ram (avoid lpx and oloy)
samsung 860 evo 1Tb
nvidia 3080
corsair 4000D airflow
corsair rm 750 watt PSU
check this build on PCPP
I'm saving up for 3000 series, I have an 1070 ti rn
@mystic needle
why
b550 aorus master is much better
Hey is there a way to use a Sata SSD as a large cache for an HDD?
I'm asking for a future build
wym? im getting 2TB hard drive
I have a 2tb sshd, its not enough lmao
how much storage u need
Hard drive with solid state buffer
just tell me
it's a hard drive with a flash cache
ummm my fps counter reached 1200 fps. glitch or what?
2 TB to me sounds fine 😮
it is totally dependent on u
Yeah
will u use the 2TB
but this would be my first build so im not sure how much i need
I would rather have a 2TB HDD with the 256MB of DRAM
none
3080 in a 1500 dollar build is fully doable
without causing bottleneck
thx
my autocorrect
I have a Ryzen 7 3700x and a 1050ti. It’s a bottleneck but will it damage any parts?
like 200-250
hi guys I am new here my real life name is Exocet
but yes @ebon wing tell me how its bad
@vague maple
that motherboard is barebones asf
ik
@mystic needle dont just add any PSU
see a PSU from PSU Tier list rev 4
wym
in PSU tier list all PSU have been tested out by some guys
ohhh
PSU Tier List 4.0 rev. 14.4 Last Update: 10-09-2020 Gold - best units in the tier (includes requirements for blue color in tier A) Blue - quiet operation under moderate load Green - small form-factor See spreadsheet for changelog, methodology, detailed description of colors, s...
anyone wanna give me a 400-600 build for gaming?
450-600
ping me
if u have one
Is this a good build?
Rtx 2060
Ryzen 5 5600X
AsRock B550 PRO4
T-Force Delta RGB
EVGA 600W bronze 80plus
ID-COOLING ZOOMFLOW 240X Snow
Crucial P1 M.2 1T
Is this good?
i already bought the case and the mobo :/
U sure> crucial P1 is old
@ebon wing u sure?
I would highly recommend canceling order
What do you recommend
U sure> crucial P1 is old
@ebon wing u sure?
@twilit wing yes
What do you recommend
@twilit wing
budget?
WD Blue is old, yet they still make them new
@twilit wing
budget?
@ebon wing 1100
P1 is fine
but the performance drop is insane @lyric thistle
Maybe
Bet
slap a heatsink on then
What u recommend
samsung 860 evo 1TB
lool no
120 dollars
Bruh
MP34
NVMe SSDs not SATA
U sure?
yes
I could die
lol
SATA and NVMe are the same price, just get an NVMe if you can use it
professional u clowniing
Ooooooo
I ain't clowning
u clowning 👅
Damn
whatever
What should i get then
MP34
How
Should i get AO cooling?
Should i get AO cooling?
@twilit wing
what chip u even running
how much difference in speed
I told u 5600x
500MB/s vs gigs per second lol
Damn
m.2 are the future
Thanks
Rtx 2060
Ryzen 5 5600X
AsRock B550 PRO4
T-Force Delta RGB
EVGA 600W bronze 80plus
ID-COOLING ZOOMFLOW 240X Snow
Crucial P1 M.2 1T
Is this good?
@twilit wing
@RnAndGn
Bruh
that all being said, I still use SATA because I can't use NVMe :)
for SATA drives, I like the WD Blue 3D
what surface is best for building pc?
I built my PC on carpet lol
cardboard, wood, glass
concrete, granite?
if you have a glass table surface
I just touched my PSU every one in a while to ground myself
xD
does it matter what you stand on?
@vague maple
I just bought a used 5700 XT
like i know you said no to think about it
I just get a steel pot or frying pan and set it next to my building station to touch every now and then
give me a budget please
@vague maple 1100
but like it says not compatible so idk 😳
a big "sink" for static buildup
😋
AMD drivers suck lol
Damn
PCPP warnings are stupid :)
oh okays heheh
it’s just that i know im not supposed to worry about the bios update but seeing a second warning made me anxious😳
i cant wait to start building but im stressed out too
Was doing some more research for my build and I found a really nice case with 4 fans included
So what’s a good used / new GPU for 389
What’s wrong with it?
Probably was my drivers or something but idk
I play Fortnite and all of a sudden it freezes and my PC reboots
because i don’t want to wait for the 3070 to come out
I was streaming too
again
This going to be my build but I’m waiting on the new GPUs and CPUs to come out first https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GHvt8J
i mean like come back in stock
But now I got a specific driver so idk
also the radeon is said to be better so im just confused
apparently 2x as powerful as the 2080ti
at least that’s what amd claimed
sounds a wee bit sus tho
Im waiting for the Ryzen 5 5600
I feel like i wont need the 5600x
The pc itself was $1200
Then with added peripherals it would be about $1450
My current pc is a prebuilt with a couple things I’ve changed
Got a 240 aio and 16gb 3600mhz ram
it's not that the computer is expensive, it's that poverty prevents people from affording the computer
how long does anyone expect we will need to wait for the 5600x
That’s above budget
Current build I got going can accept the 3070 with $50 left
Yeah it’s the same one linked up there just with the 3070
I’m really liking this one
not bad metro
Rate this build, its my roommates:
Ryzen 5 3600
Zotac Gaming 1660 super
Sabrent NVMe M.2 1TB
HyperX 2x8GB 3200mhz
ASUS b450a
Thermaltake 550
Corsair 4000D Airflow
Corsair H100i AIO
Thank you @idle hawk
looks nice but I see Thermaltake and 550 and all I can see is Thermaltake Smart so 
Oh he built in the case I planned on using last time
I did
if I found a good condiment PSU I'd use it tbh
Does that motherboard support overclocking?
@sharp tundra he has a sabrent ssd but a 1660s?
@vague maple what did you mean by this
CPU is 65 watts, overclocking won't do that much on that side
@vague maple oh no he doesn't have the $300one, he got the $120 one
I have a Ryzen 5 3600
I slightly overclocked it to 4 GHz
overclocked to 4.9 takes 200w
I had to search it up cause his ssd was cheaper than mine, I wasn't sure what you were getting at lol
up for debate atm lol
I heard those new Ryzen chips gonna be pretty good
I see
but im not trying to trigger anyone
Yeah it’s only gonna be 300
lets not count the chickens before they hatch
that might samples
just like the 3000s series cards they had
samplers
linus and jayz2cent had engineering samples
Wait
they had to return them
It did release
I think it did yeah
Hi
call me donkey kong lol
Fellow PC nerds
Fellow PC nerds
@thorn thunder no
intel for me
It dropped yesterday
give me money
Lmao
How much\
Ill think on it papi
No ebegging
How much would you sell that for
not for sale sir
Rip lmao
IDK cause I want to get AMDs new 5600 X
thats my backup card cause big chungus took all my pcie slots lol
And maybe go radeon for GPU but IDK yet need 3rd party benchmarks
@thorn thunder don’t
https://il.pcpartpicker.com/user/des/saved/4kZd99
i have planned build here to buy in few days from now
Please note some parts already purchased.
What I need advise is motherboard, I already filtered my preferenced and plan to buy from Newegg - https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/p/pl?N=6077 101613997 601292786 601352805 50001314 50001944 50001312 50001315 600009017 600009016 601302898 601322332 601322336 601334775 601334151 601334773&isdeptsrh=1&Order=2, here 1 page of filtered boards
https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gam-wif/p/N82E16813119311?&quicklink=true this board seems nice
https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/msi-mag-b550m-mortar-wifi/p/N82E16813144327 this board just looks pretty 😄 *(gonna be crucified now)
WDYT is best for my build and from filtered boards. Its my first build after buying i7-4790k build in 2013.
Get a Nvidia card lmao
Maybe IDK im kinda on the fence dont know what to get ATM
I just got my card and it doesn’t even wanna work
i have a 1070 atm
I had a 1070 TI
if amd has the same performance as nvidia, im getting amd for its smart memory
@vague maple Thats what was thinking
Yeah but they always had driver issues
i sent my build in the build pics
Yeah but they always had driver issues
@left shore had
My 1070 TI was a trooper
Not will
Ouu I like it
@idle hawk does your rad have one fan?
Ah ok
it took 2 fan slots lol
Kinda looks like your gpu was in the way
Gave it to my brother
Lol yeah but I’m trynna get the 5700 XT to work properly
Blow it up
Just sell it
Not too bad
Or take it apart and shelve it
metro like said i before dont keep ur hopes up
Shelve is till you lose interest then sell
second computer
my other 9900k is still sealed
Yeah ik that’s gonna take forever
in its gem
It’s deff not worth what it was
I might sell my old motherboard
Cable shmable
and thats my laptop to my left
razer blade stealth 2019 edition
with 32gb of ram
2060
lolol
i7 9750h
should i get a new keyboard
i don’t need one for any reason but i kinda wanna a new one
i have the razer phone 2
@vague maple MSI B450 Tomahawk Max
yeah but like i’m bored of this one
120hz display
4kmah battery
nahh
love the speakers on it has dolby atmos imbedded into it
the speakers on that phone are insane
only paid 200
Might sell it idk tbh
i have 2 of them lol
nah bro razer phone is pretty pog tbh
i paid 70 for a xbox elite series 2
Why so much razer
Army of what
Hold up
I thought those were different things for a sec
What’s that big red thing in the back
Ohhh tall bois
That’s hawt
Didn’t look that way at first lol
How do you get these discounts
Satan red yeti for 40
Where do you work?
Unemployed looking for a job
😐
Lolol
What job did you have?
I didn't pay for most of the stuff I have
Like bruh ☠️😵
He stole it
What did he do?
Lmaoll
I'm seeing double
I'ma strangle u with them lmaooo jk
I'ma wait for the net to get here
That's my desk
Do you have razer chair?
I wish and I didn't
Lmaooo
Probs getting the chair for 60$
I'm not a fan of the green and black layout
I like red and black
Or if there was a argb option lmaoo
That’s not very razer of you
Bro why 🙃
Wtf?
Guess which one is the series 2
Far right
Orange
right bottom one
Ding ding ding
Orange one
Paid 70 for it
I didn’t know you could customize them
bruh
@idle hawk how you get all this stuff lmao
I find a way lol
I was eyeing a yeti x for a while
It took time but I did get a 3080 lol
Do you do the whole “reviewer” thing with Amazon?
Yeah dub he obvi got it for 1$
Bruh lmaooo
I messed around and tried to overclocked the 3080
Fr?
Brought the memory to 10kmhz
Oh lol
2400mhz on the core clock
Wait
Also that's a great bonus on the card
How is core worse than boost?
Ik I was asking what was boost on the OC lmao
Wait there’s a display on your GPU?
Yep
What GPU is that
Ouuu
Yea lol
850 tho
Plus tax and shipping
Try 960
Thanks best buy
My original goal was the STRIX
Or the FE
I was delt the hand given to me
Now I have a xbox series x that I have pre ordered that I gotta sell lol
Cause I don't need it no more lol
Is there a 3070 with a display
I would want that
maybe a Galax one too
Nilbo you been here this whole time lol
no got banned just came back
Mee6 bot thought I was spamming when trying to list compatible cpus for a mobo
Oof
They should make a dedicated channel for pcpartpicker
Help separate the channel loads
What do you think
yeah I mean they would still be all over this channel due to its nature
its like trying to get people to put their build pics in #build-pics
if we do I say you are in charge of enforcing all pcpartpicker lists go in the channel lol
I dont have that power but if I did I'd do it
Lolol
maybe a Galax one too
@narrow rose wym
Watch a mod lurking atm and this becomes fruition
Galax 3070 with a screen
Oh that has a screen?
the 3080/3090 does not sure about 3070
I think the gigabyte aorus 3070 has a screen
Rip intel ngl
Welp it's not a gif screen like mine lol
If you want white I think gigabyte vision is better
The memory output on my aorus is massively greater compared to the FE
Lol I mean like price
the vision is better if you can find one
There is 3080 vision
What is the difference between Gigabyte Aorus GeForce RTX 3080 Master and Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080? Find out which is better and their overall performance in the graphics card ranking.
Check that out before you consider
the vision looks great
@idle hawk I meant like price wise how much will a 3070 FE card be vs the aorus one
@left shore kinda steep fan curve
5700 XT
Which model
Red Devil
Also why the oc
Idk to be faster
Oc has very little benefit
Oh ok
Said who?
20mhz
Oh ok
Is not really an oc
why would hitting 70s underload be any sort of problem?
I recommended that fan curve and he rolled back the drivers
He was crashing @narrow rose
I mean he was suffering from crashes and random shutdowns
@idle hawk
not because of heat if its only in the 70s at load
The driver rollback and higher fan curve seemed to work
Not sure yet
I mean I'm not comfy with 70 degree temps lol
I am quite comfortable with 70c
80c is fine
My evga hybrid never hit past 50c underload
full load is more of a 80c situation
85-90c is take a break
thermal throttling is a 91c situation
Well I had a reference blower style msi 1070ti hitting 80c plus
@left shore whats the Power supply?
That was just fortnite btw
my gtx 480 could hit 103c under full load no issues with its toasty max temp of 105 prior to throttling
Yikes
like a little space heater
but thats my point if its in spec its in spec no matter how hot it is
The 3080 doesn't go past 60c underload
But turns my case into a heater
Monster hunter pushed it
TJ max on a 3080 is 100c so lots of OC headroom if the 60c load is true
@little leaf I have a 750W
that's my little fusion reactor 😍
Lmaoo
@left shore brand and model
touches cutely
Owo
Corsair CX750
Seasonic 1300w
gamersnexus had 74c under load on their 3080fe no overclock
I did. Aida 64 stress test and it still didn't go past 60c
Go back to stock gpu
I think it’s fixed now but I gotta check again tomorrow
Frequency
I mean aida 64 doesnt stress the gpu too much
I think I put the one specific driver someone told me idk if it was you lol
run heaven for an hour and let me know the temp
Download furmark
Rip lol
Heaven?
Furmark nice
Tried haven
old benchmark puts gpu through paces
Doesn't barely touch it
Try furmark
Haven is good to stress test it?
I'll give it a shot
Maybe tomorrow (it's 2:44am) lol
Furmark runs my gpu at 100%
I mean to be fair aida64 will break unstable computers lol
same thing gamersnexus jay2cents Linus and everyone else use to test temps on GPUs
Bet
@idle hawk only their CPUs not their GPUs
Question
It maxed out my gpu tho
answer
It clearly didnt if it was sitting a 60c
Too much money for it
Is this what the card costs or is it just inflated right now cuz of shortage
@vague maple the answer is stop playing fortnite
gpu needs time to be saturated in heat
Runnign furmark
@left shore inflated msrp is 500-600
Oh ok
I really want that card
But I’m not gonna spend anything above 600 for it lmao
Fortnite stutters alot
there's an indie game that I play that stutters a bit
stutters for low spec computers and high spec computers
just an unoptimized game
Stuttering for my 6700 and 1070
and a bad server thing too
welp i cant really run this stress test
How hot is too hot for a GPU
And also how long does heaven run for @narrow rose
tjmax and close to it is too hot for a gpu
@left shore its an endless loop so you choose when to stop it
Oh ok
about 20-30 minutes is enough to get good and saturated with heat
the point is to simulate a long gaming session to see if your overclock on the GPU is stable
A 2070s ko gets to 70c furmark in like 5 mins
But admittedly its not known for cooling
Is 74C super hot for a GPU?
Nah
nope
Unless ita idle then yes
Than your chillin
Oh ok
too hot lmao jk
Gpus r fine into the 90’s
Hopefully it doesn’t crash during games tho
its too hot when you lose video signal and the pc restarts
im too used to a gpu that didnt hit over 50c underload lol
I’m gonna try the heaven test for 30 minutes tomorrow
yeah enthusiast GPUs are meant to run hot
My Red Devil is a toaster
my evga was a aio water cooled lol
and it all depends on what their tjmax or max temp prior to throttling is some are 85c some 91c some 100c and even some 105c
nvidia 3000 series cards are 100c
https://il.pcpartpicker.com/user/des/saved/4kZd99
i have planned build here to buy in few days from now
Please note some parts already purchased.
What I need advise is motherboard, I already filtered my preferenced and plan to buy from Newegg - https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/p/pl?N=6077 101613997 601292786 601352805 50001314 50001944 50001312 50001315 600009017 600009016 601302898 601322332 601322336 601334775 601334151 601334773&isdeptsrh=1&Order=2, here 1 page of filtered boardshttps://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gam-wif/p/N82E16813119311?&quicklink=true this board seems nice
https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/msi-mag-b550m-mortar-wifi/p/N82E16813144327 this board just looks pretty 😄 *(gonna be crucified now)
WDYT is best for my build and from filtered boards. Its my first build after buying i7-4790k build in 2013.
@real cobalt
bump
my temp limit shows 91C
where?
afterburner
is it a slider?
@real cobalt I don't think you need 32 gigs of ram
up the speed to 3600 cl 16 and only get 16 gigs
@narrow rose
Is that a new afterburner?
just the skin
@idle hawk weird yeah it looks like nvidia said 95c for max to its third party developers even though its 100c tjmax
Rx 6800 looking tasty
hmm interesting
could be something to do with that capacitor problem they were having
maybe but im running an outdated driver on purpose
i finally figured out the rgb fusion 2.0
now i want to know if the Asus cards have a higher max in afterburner
The capacitor prob was it running at too high of a clock speed
its usually just based on the pcb
but again im running an outdated driver on purpose
Why do scalpers exist lmaoo
Lol I’m not on there anymore I’m just like so in shock that people create artificial demand for a budget card lmao
I think I broke my GPU
It goes up too 100% than drops to 0% on games that it normally doesnt
The only reason it appears like people want it is because scalpers are buying it
@idle hawk it's the Asus rog strix OC 5500xt
5000 series cards are broken lol
I actually want more than just money
I'm AMD all the way
And this is a new issue
I've had it for 3 months now
It literally just started 10 minutes ago
bring it to the graphics card channel @little osprey
@little osprey lol my card came broken af or at least my drivers did
👍
i got you @narrow rose lol
up the speed to 3600 cl 16 and only get 16 gigs
@little leaf its for VMs
My roommate just asked me to help her upgrade her PC.. She told me it's an i3.. I told her that doesn't really tell me anything.
I open up the case, and first thing I see is.. FM2 / FM2+
And that it uses DDR3
According to the wording I can see on the mobo
She also told me the only upgrade she's done is buy the "second best nvidia card in 2016", so I made a guess she meant the 1070, but now I'm starting to doubt that too.. At least until I get the chance to gut and take everything apart. She wants to keep the case.
can someone help me get my extra fans in my case please
whats the issue
man even a 7890K not that great 😔
idk how to get them in
highest FM2+
like where to plug em in
i just buily my first build by myself yesterday
and booted it up
but i only have my aio running
legit nothing else
the motherboard has fan headers placed in a few spots typically
above the CPU, below the PCIe slots, and to the right
there are spots on the case with 4 mounting holes for fans
do they all have sys fans written on them
they will usually at least say fan
the ones that are labeled CHA_FAN or SYS_FAN are meant for case fans
