building-and-recc-chat

[idle hawk]

cause theyre using zen2 arctitecture if im not mistaken

[whole harbor]

is this a good build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jKjgt8

[idle hawk]

also big navi gpus

[stoic island]

They use a completely different bin for consoles

[idle hawk]

thank you

[stoic island]

If that's what you're asking

It's hard to directly compare with desktop

[foggy hazel]

the console chips are "based" on zen2 and RDNA2

[idle hawk]

i mean pretty damm close at this point

[stoic island]

As in spec wise hard to compare

[foggy hazel]

that "based" is a very very big hole of a LOT of things

[stoic island]

Not perf wise

[idle hawk]

just very restrictive to keep pricing relative

[whole harbor]

can yall rate this for a $700 budget? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jKjgt8

[idle hawk]

ok ok sorry back to production naed

i wanna see this

[foggy hazel]

re: manufacturing: so, even if the chips kept coming in at a rate of 100/day for a month more, before launching the 3000 series. you would still be left with the total sum of card that are currently IN the channel/market

because chip production scales up over months, not days

[idle hawk]

when did they announced the 3000s cards

no i have life that includes college try again

[last dawn]

A month ago i think

[foggy hazel]

september for the "hype show" in the kitchen @idle hawk

[last dawn]

Or 2

[idle hawk]

3 months

[whole harbor]

They released oct and sept

[sharp tundra]

I could be wrong but I'm sure chip production would continue to go up higher the more efficient the process became

[idle hawk]

more or less

[foggy hazel]

thats a process that takes a LOT of time @sharp tundra

[idle hawk]

100/day for 90 days

if all variables were correct

90k

[foggy hazel]

lets be generous and give the production the benefit of the doubt and say it scaled by 5% per month

[sharp tundra]

Impossible that there's only 9k cards out there in the wild

[foggy hazel]

its still "nothing" in the grand scheme of things

[stoic island]

@sharp tundra @idle hawk example throwing numbers around

[sharp tundra]

Oh okay

[stoic island]

We have no real data

[foggy hazel]

you both missed what i said about numbers :)

[idle hawk]

lol yep i did

the gears are turning

ok thats fair i reread it

[foggy hazel]

all of this is why i keep pointing to the nvidia finance call

[idle hawk]

my number are irrelavent

[foggy hazel]

because there are people that will ask "wth did you think was going to happen?"

and the stock has taken a fair beating for it

which makes a LOT of people NOT happy

the following is just idle musings/speculation:

IF we look at the history of AMD under Lisu Su.

They have not posted BS about any product she has launched. if they say it will perform like X. that is very very very close to how it will perform

IF we then take that a step further. How do you think Nvidia are feeling right about now after the zen3 launch?

because those claims turned out true too

does that mean that the claimed numbers on the RDNA2 chips are true too?

and again, the above text is just speculation :)

does that answer it are bit more clearly for you @idle hawk @sharp tundra ?

[floral gale]

Anyone know how to set windows for mainboard z490 xtreme aorus ? Pls help me out I got stuck on USB key is not detected

[sharp tundra]

Nvidia is losing the game regardless, they shouldnt be putting themselves in a deeper hole with this BS they're pulling with the 30 series

[foggy hazel]

eh, stuff happens

their enterprise/server stuff is chugging along as normal

so they are not worried as such

[idle hawk]

this is my opinion

i feel like i cant trust amd

[foggy hazel]

and competition is good for the consumers

[sharp tundra]

Yeah, I'm just saying if it was me as CEO, I wouldn't have pushed so hard for a release, regardless if my competitor was close to dropping their product that was going to be "better than mine"

[idle hawk]

so wait @foggy hazel

are you saying the pandemic has no impact on the release of the cards

[sharp tundra]

I would've continued R&D and made mine better

[crystal spoke]

I know this has probably been asked before, but minus covid do you think there's still a card shortage?

[sharp tundra]

Yes,

Thats what we've been talking about this whole time

[foggy hazel]

@idle hawk aye, basically zero impact

[edgy wagon]

Im so tempted to buy a 2060 super

[sharp tundra]

I bought the 5600xt last night

Lol

[foggy hazel]

keep in mind, the AIB will all make a broadway worthy song and dance about the woes of things. But generally, its fine.

[crystal spoke]

It was in my cart man...I thought I had it sob

[idle hawk]

hmm

[little osprey]

Amd drivers be like...

[idle hawk]

oof tf

but why

[little osprey]

This just happened to me right now

[idle hawk]

this is why i have trust issues

[sharp tundra]

What did you buy at best buy?

[little osprey]

Thermal paste

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey and?

because i dont see anything wrong in that picture

aside from the horrendous theme colours

[little osprey]

I bought a new amd card and while updating the drivers my screen turned green

[foggy hazel]

just let it update

and check your cable

scratch that last part, because what is shown in that picture is either a theme or a software glitch

so, as i said, let it update

[sharp tundra]

Bruh, my work just had a guy come in recently to look at a dead monitor(maybe a $75 monitor) and instead of just replacing it to begin with, they hired a guy to tell them they need to replace it. Corporations
Are so effing dumb.

[foggy hazel]

not going to disagree with that sentiment

heck knows i deal with enough of them myself

[little osprey]

So my display is not getting i video output but my system appears to still be on should I hit the restart button

[obsidian socket]

probably not?

if the drivers are still updating

[little osprey]

Its been like this for 5 minutes

[sharp tundra]

But corporations though, if they notice their isn't a dollar going into their pocket, they scrutinize their management and wonder why they spent their money, "oh maybe cause it needs to be fixed you idiots" is what I really wanna say

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey hold power button for 4 seconds until it turns of

then power it on again

[little osprey]

Ok will do

is this good for the price?

[stoic island]

interesting file

why a file?

[sharp tundra]

Sound like that fake Microsoft tech support

Lol

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey pcpartpicker list

[idle hawk]

naed

do you have a 3080?

[sharp tundra]

Have you tried turning your computer on and back off again

[stoic island]

Very good utility @little osprey
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[foggy hazel]

@idle hawk nope. i dont have any interest in those cards :)

[idle hawk]

what card do you have

[foggy hazel]

which machine?

[idle hawk]

and damm i needed help

[sharp tundra]

🙄

[little osprey]

@little osprey pcpartpicker list
@foggy hazel it's a parts list compiled from x-kom and allegro and prices converted to USD

[idle hawk]

which machine?

[foggy hazel]

aye

[little osprey]

[stoic island]

x-kom

sounds familiar

[foggy hazel]

there are multiple here

[stoic island]

Poland?

[foggy hazel]

aye @stoic island

[sharp tundra]

He uses AMD atheon

[grim tide]

someone please make me pc list that is good for schoo/little gaming, editing under $750

[foggy hazel]

so, lets just run through a couple of them

[idle hawk]

which one is ur baby

[stoic island]

oh well, pcpp poland isn't great

Interesting

[foggy hazel]

there is this one (the tinker box) which is a old 4770s with a R9 Fury in it

then there are the 2 workstations behind me

[stoic island]

I'd get a SSD and at least 2 sticks of ram.

[foggy hazel]

a mix of intel/nvidia/amd parts in those two

[stoic island]

Lemme check x-kom

[idle hawk]

well played gg lol

[foggy hazel]

with respective parts from the "fun" end of the catalogue

[sharp tundra]

You know it wasn't until I bought a ryzen 7 did i realize that the stock cooler is a bit of a monster

Like its a big boi

[foggy hazel]

i generally dont talk about the parts i have, because i dont see the relevance @idle hawk :)

[stoic island]

@little osprey try this
https://www.x-kom.pl/p/456906-dysk-ssd-crucial-500gb-m2-pcie-nvme-p1.html

and lemme grab you ram

[grim tide]

please anyone build me a pc list that has i3 8100 for little gaming and mostly school work under $750

[stoic island]

You already own a 8100?

[sharp tundra]

I3?

[grim tide]

nah planning to get that

[sharp tundra]

Eww

[stoic island]

then I heavily suggest against it

[grim tide]

or do i need to cha ge

ok

[sharp tundra]

I5 at least

[stoic island]

I'm gonna go help the other guy, but use this as a reference
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mr1111/saved/2P8cbv

[sharp tundra]

Or better yet, get an Ryzen

[grim tide]

$800 🦍

[idle hawk]

im just having driver issues

[stoic island]

Change it to a P1 500gb and you'll be pretty close to 750$

[polar anvil]

500 build

[grim tide]

why rtx 2060 for light gaming

[sharp tundra]

Its a great gpu is what I've been told

[stoic island]

@little osprey and two of these sticks if it fits in your budget.
https://www.x-kom.pl/p/475620-pamiec-ram-ddr4-patriot-8gb-1x8gb-3000mhz-cl16-viper-steel.html

Reason for the two is that dual channel ram helps a lot with overall performance, and SSD contributes a lot to system responsiveness

[obsidian socket]

i have a 2060 and it runs everything ive thrown at it (which is admittedly fairly light) with at leas 100 fps

the hardest thing it's probably done is death stranding

[sharp tundra]

@stoic island are you Slav?

[stoic island]

no

[gray stone]

Damn, I'm just watching LTT's review of the Ryzen 5000 series CPUs and goddamn not even the Intel 10th Gens are doing well, even the pup of the bunch is murdering them

[stoic island]

Take a look at GN's review

[obsidian socket]

yeah

[stoic island]

hell, just look at the thumbnail for the 5900x review xD

[gray stone]

Alright, I should wait until they got more stock because I am almost certain there's going to be none of them left lol

[stoic island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utWSSlyabjc

[sharp tundra]

What language was that link you sent then?

[stoic island]

Polish

[obsidian socket]

sounds about right

[sharp tundra]

Oh

[grim tide]

dam right

[sharp tundra]

I seen 137 polish dollars and I was like 😬

[gray stone]

But yeah, I might just need to upgrade, maybe bump budget to $1500, because that looks true and it'd be stupid to stick with a Ryzen 3600 and a B450 lol

[stoic island]

Soup, you need a list?

[obsidian socket]

that's what i'm on rn lmao

3600 and b450m

[sharp tundra]

What is that in USD

[obsidian socket]

im gonna upgrade to 5600x and b550m

[foggy hazel]

@idle hawk elaborate on it in #graphics-cards ?

[gray stone]

I've already made a list, though that was with the 450 and 3600 specs XP

[sharp tundra]

Did anyone watch LTTs video where he put 8TB of NVMe M.2 in his PC just so he could be faster than the PS5

[stoic island]

no lol

LTT screws around for fun

[sharp tundra]

Honestly tho

I would too if I ran a business that literally makes videos of PC

[obsidian socket]

same

his vids are fun to watch

[sharp tundra]

Bitwit effing cracks me up

His Roast videos get me crying

[olive kraken]

What's that program to uninstall your gpu drivers?

[obsidian socket]

you can do it through windows device manager

[olive kraken]

Just uninstall them, shut down install new GPU and install new drivers

?

[obsidian socket]

i didnt uninstall before installing my new gpu

can that cause problems?

[olive kraken]

I believe so

[obsidian socket]

oh

[sharp tundra]

Rip

[obsidian socket]

that sounds like a good process then

[olive kraken]

bet

[little osprey]

Linus tech tips and bit wit branch wmarks are out

Benchmarks

[olive kraken]

for?

[obsidian socket]

5000 series?

[olive kraken]

oh

meh

I will watch when I am out of work

[little osprey]

Yes

[olive kraken]

But the marketing benchmarks - reality I will guess

[stoic island]

GN released 5900x&5950x reviews

[olive kraken]

30% increase from 3000

Am I rite?

[little osprey]

They benchmarked the 5900x and the 10900k

Against each other

[obsidian socket]

the 5600x beats the 10900k in most things

[olive kraken]

OH SHT

WTF

[obsidian socket]

yeaaaaah

it's insane

[olive kraken]

WELP

Good thing I didn't buy my 10600k

xd

[little osprey]

Ye

Intel = 💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️☠️

[obsidian socket]

and the 11th gen cpus aren't looking to match the 5000 series

[stoic island]

other than RDR2

AMD basically took the crown in every game

[olive kraken]

SOOOO

@stoic island U think for my super OC fun build I should wait and go for AMD?

[obsidian socket]

also the memory sharing between the ryzen 5000 series and rx 6000 series

[olive kraken]

I had a 10600k listed and 3080 but

[obsidian socket]

i need to see how that memory sharing turns out to see if i want a 3070 of a 6800

or*

[stoic island]

Yes

they are actually gaining a slight lead now

that's gta v

as an example

[little osprey]

Blue is average fps?

[gray stone]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/62dYgt Here was what I came up with regards to an (eventual) Ryzen 5000 series compatible CPU

[stoic island]

mhm

blue is avg

[obsidian socket]

oh i have a build too https://pcpartpicker.com/user/xarildri/saved/XJbfvK

[stoic island]

Don't forget about ram tuning either

@little osprey GN tests with 3200c14 ram

[little osprey]

What do the red and orange lines represent

[small osprey]

Ah they added the new cpus

[stoic island]

to be standardized across all platforms

so it likely scales even better with higher freq ram

[little osprey]

Should I upgrade to a 3600x or 10400f

My 9400f is kind of a bottleneck

[olive kraken]

Bet, I am making a build around those

[obsidian socket]

this would be my mobo bc pcpp won't let me choose it https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nFhmP6/asrock-b550m-steel-legend-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-steel-legend

[stoic island]

neither for now

:D

PCPP prob does let you choose it

you just didn't uncheck the compatible parts box

[little osprey]

The new 5600x is bit too expensive for me

[obsidian socket]

i look into the compatible parts and it doesn't show up but i l0ooked it up and it should be compatible with the 5600x

[stoic island]

Because it's being dumb rn

[steel yacht]

Best cards for 300$

[gray stone]

I know I could technically make it a sub-$1000 system for going to an 80+ Bronze Unit over an 80+ Gold Unit and going for a 650W solution over a 750, though aren't power units an upgrading nightmare?

[little osprey]

For 300?

[obsidian socket]

yeah i just had to uncheck the compatibility folter

[little osprey]

A 5600xt is a good card

[stoic island]

@gray stone start off buy throwing Gold vs Bronze out the window

That'll be a good start.

[steel yacht]

What bout for Nvidia

[stoic island]

Next, look deeper into TDPs.

Because at the end of the day, 600w can power a 5600x+3080 without any issues, despite how 'crazy' it might sound.

And yea it is troublesome

[little osprey]

600w for a 3080 doesn’t sound too stable

[stoic island]

and yea it's better to have more just in case, but the times where you choose the cheaper units is where you need to make compromises for your performance.

[steel yacht]

Can PCs get louder then a PS4?

[little osprey]

The 1660ti is 230 and gets destroyed by the 5600xt and the 2060 super is 350•400 and still gets beat by 5600xt

[steel yacht]

On jets of course

[stoic island]

@steel yacht ofc they can

[steel yacht]

Dam fr

[stoic island]

look man

[steel yacht]

Dam

[stoic island]

you can install a 6000rpm delta fan in a ps4

make it loud asf

should you? no.
can you? yes.

that's the issue with your question.

:P

[steel yacht]

Ok

[stoic island]

You can have a loud asf server rack with delta fans on one side of the PC spectrum

[olive kraken]

So

[stoic island]

and a PC with completely passive cooling with no noise on the other side

[olive kraken]

100 + USD

[steel yacht]

But most pc arnt loud asf right?

[olive kraken]

5900x 529.99?

[stoic island]

depends on what you get

[steel yacht]

Ok

I’m geting a rtx 2070 super

Or 2080 super

[stoic island]

No

[olive kraken]

I just got a 2060 rofl

[stoic island]

what case

[steel yacht]

Used

[little osprey]

Depends on fan rpm, amount of fans, and motor quality

[steel yacht]

Not new

[stoic island]

GPU doesn't really matter

what case

[steel yacht]

Hol up

[stoic island]

as long as you get a decent gpu that isn't a blower

it doesn't matter for noise

so what case

[steel yacht]

K https://www.amazon.com/MUSETEX-Mid-Tower-Honeycomb-Tempered-Computer/dp/B08DH26HQS

[stoic island]

no

don't get it

[steel yacht]

Bruh which cas then

Has to be below 80

[stoic island]

Okay then

[steel yacht]

Ew get it bru

[stoic island]

MX330-g air

55$

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1543118-REG/cougar_mx330_g_air_gaming_mid_tower.html

[steel yacht]

Is it really better?

[stoic island]

it's called not having a solid front panel

that helps a lot with a case :P

[olive kraken]

Just get a nzxt case

[stoic island]

lol no

[olive kraken]

yes

[thorny tusk]

Case are are similar price rangework about the same

[olive kraken]

With negative airflow

[steel yacht]

No NZXT look nice but airflow Garbo

[olive kraken]

Thats the plan

[steel yacht]

Yeah even I’m not that dumb

I wish they made the NZXT better

[thorny tusk]

Voids have great temp cooling

[stoic island]

NZXT is the exact opposite of Noctua

that's why I hate one company and love the other

[steel yacht]

If it had good cooling that would be my only case I would go for

[stoic island]

Look at a corsair 4000d

that's the closest you get to a NZXT case with actual airflow

[winged tinsel]

Can someone buy me a pc?

[stoic island]

Nah

[winged tinsel]

lmao

[steel yacht]

Only one problem

Actully nvm

I was gonna say the fans were gonna be a problem

But my whole set up is black

[thorny tusk]

Jaiden I will if you buy me a pc

[winged tinsel]

lol

[steel yacht]

I need sum1 to help when I finish building my pc

In games it gonna be to hard

[stoic island]

wat

[steel yacht]

??

Wat

[stoic island]

reword your sentences

[steel yacht]

Ohhh

Nothin

It’s fine brutherrr

[leaden pawn]

Dr, Su. Please stop kicking, their already dead

Also, whats a good Mother Board to match with a Ryzen 5 3600X CPU and a Radeon 5700XT?

[versed rock]

Uhhh, First. 3600X bad

And Second, why a 5700XT?

[thorny tusk]

ok the 3600x not worth

not sure what the isue with 5700xt is tho

[versed rock]

It's old.

[thorny tusk]

theres no isue with that

[versed rock]

If you are going to get Ryzen, Might as well get a 5600X and a 6800.

[thorny tusk]

on thing

the stock

does not exzist

[versed rock]

I mean, you already have to wait for the 6800 launch.

[thorny tusk]

or you spend the money on not waiting 7 years

[hollow wolf]

I got a 3800x I see no issues with it yet but I’m only using a 2060 super

[versed rock]

Ewwwwwwww.

[last rampart]

@spice thistle wtf

[versed rock]

3800X is literally the most pointless CPU to buy in the WORLD

[hollow wolf]

Works for me

[versed rock]

You literally spent more money for no gain.

[hollow wolf]

Meh I got it on sale

[thorny tusk]

bro skip you need to calm down

[gray sphinx]

I'm building my 1st pc and parts started coming today!!!

[versed rock]

I am calm.

[still roost]

mini#9776 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[thorny tusk]

oof

[hollow wolf]

Oops

[gray sphinx]

lol

lmao @hollow wolf what are you upgrading from?

[hollow wolf]

Watch out for people like skip when you post pics or specs. @gray sphinx

And I wasn’t upgrading it was my first build

[thorny tusk]

you right

[gritty zenith]

that moment when you're trying to convince your dad to a practical PC build to lower costs but he says that he wants the lights and the colors smh

[thorny tusk]

lol

[thorny tusk]

rgb flex

pc pics

[grim tide]

heat

[thorny tusk]

not here

[gritty zenith]

#build-pics

[hollow wolf]

It was build my own or get a nzxt

[grim tide]

where can i get a pc builder to build me a pc

[gray sphinx]

@hollow wolf this is my 1st time building too my parts started coming today

[gritty zenith]

facebook marketplace

[grim tide]

macro center

[hollow wolf]

Lol local computer shops might help you build it

[thorny tusk]

what do you meam

n

[gritty zenith]

or

i could give u a tutorial over dm

[grim tide]

nah, im prob going to break something

[hollow wolf]

@gray sphinx it’s fun but I already want to buy better stuff haha

[thorny tusk]

@grim tide just look up youtube vides

[grim tide]

ik but i'm really really beginner

[gray sphinx]

@grim tide look for your local builders they charge less and give u better pc

[thorny tusk]

you got to start some where

[hollow wolf]

@grim tide it’s super easy use linus or bitwit build tutorials. I never did anything pc before and built mine in like an hour and booted up first try

[thorny tusk]

do you have an idea on a buget

[grim tide]

how about macrocenter

[gray sphinx]

@hollow wolf yah I'd spend 10k on a pc if I had the money lol

[thorny tusk]

just no

[hollow wolf]

Micro center is the best option I’d there’s one near you

[thorny tusk]

@gray sphinx

[grim tide]

lao

i haev one in about 2-3 miles

[gray sphinx]

am I being no ed

[thorny tusk]

yes

[gray sphinx]

lol why

[thorny tusk]

cause 10k on pc just no

like there no point

[gray sphinx]

the point is for coolness.

[thorny tusk]

but coolness to money

your better of with 2k-3k for flexing

[leaden pawn]

The only issue with me building my new pc is how expensive it is to make one in Canada.

[gray sphinx]

if we didn't care about how our pc's looked we would all be using windowless cases with no RGB or flashy colors lol

[thorny tusk]

but 10k is not that

thats for heavy video edting

[gray sphinx]

welp I got stuff to do and to dream about a 10k pc!

[thorny tusk]

and large number crunching

[still roost]

mini#9776 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow wolf]

Wtf what was a bad word

Bot you’re drunk

[thorny tusk]

what

[deep skiff]

mhm

[edgy wagon]

when is the estimated stock refresh of the 3070

[thorny tusk]

never

[hollow wolf]

Lol

@thorny tusk beat me to@it

[thorny tusk]

i know

the bots would beat me tho

[edgy wagon]

my gpu broke and im debating buying a 2060 super now or not having a pc until 3070 is back

[hollow wolf]

Apparently a**icted is a bad word

Buy a cheap gpu until the big boys are In Stock

That’s what I did

[edgy wagon]

I stream regularly on twitch so thats not rlly an option

[next kestrel]

buy something like a gtx 1660 super

something that'll hold its value

[thorny tusk]

so then get a good one

[hollow wolf]

Agreed

[next kestrel]

until the 3070 is back

[thorny tusk]

thats not the 3070

[edgy wagon]

like what

[next kestrel]

1660 super

[hollow wolf]

Buy something decent then that’ll sell for a decent amount when you want to get a 3070 etc

[next kestrel]

it's still worth around 220-230

and that was the same price before and after release

[thorny tusk]

also whats your power supply

[edgy wagon]

would a 2060 super still have value after the 3060 ti?

[hollow wolf]

Are 5700 worth the money?

[edgy wagon]

650w nzxtc

[next kestrel]

maybe not was much

[olive kraken]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CYLxcT

Thoughts?

[next kestrel]

2060 super will def drop in value

once 3070 in stock

[sinful hornet]

most likely not, if nvidia continues as it is the 3060 will be the same price as it was

*as the 2060 was

[next kestrel]

@olive kraken

get 4000mhz ram

[olive kraken]

only

[thorny tusk]

also do you need 3 fans

[olive kraken]

I'll have to look at b die

[sinful hornet]

what

[thorny tusk]

/does the case come with fans

[sinful hornet]

why does he need 400mhz

*4000

[thorny tusk]

the ram should be 3600 cl 16 is

[next kestrel]

ryzen 5000s performing the best with over 3800mhz

[thorny tusk]

like the good spot now

[sinful hornet]

3200 cl14 is basically the same thing

[next kestrel]

at 2.6k

might as well get confirmed xmp kits

[sinful hornet]

unless you're worried about the performance compared to the processor

thats the only time frequency really matters

other than that every 2 for cas latency is roughly equal to a step up in ram

3200 cl14= 3600 cl16

[next kestrel]

look at benchmarks for ryzen 4th gen

[versed rock]

I think you mean Ryzen 5000

Calling it Ryzen 4th Gen is a little disengenuous

[next kestrel]

4th gen = 5000 series

it is the 4th generation of ryzen cpus

[graceful tide]

4th gen is the correct gen.

[versed rock]

Well, some can argue that 4th gen = 4000 series Laptop CPUs

Because confusing numbers are confusing

[graceful tide]

4000 was 3rd gen

[last rampart]

just say 5000 series

[versed rock]

sigh

[last rampart]

it's more clear

[versed rock]

Yes, 5000 series is a lot clearer

[next kestrel]

nah

[versed rock]

Yes...

[graceful tide]

To who?

[next kestrel]

do you know what i mean when i say 4th gen?

[versed rock]

Ryzen 5000 is significantly more clear than Ryzen 4th Gen

[last rampart]

if you've gotta say something short then just say zen 3

not 4th gen

[graceful tide]

I think anyone who knows what they are talking about shouldnt have a problem with correct terminology

[sinful hornet]

zen 3 is best i feel

[versed rock]

Yes, I as someone in the tech industry understands you are talking about the 4th Generation of Ryzen CPUs. But, to a layman it would mean Ryzen 4000, which was Laptop Only.

[last rampart]

yep

[foggy hazel]

except, there is no 4th gen of ryzen

[versed rock]

So, Ryzen 5000 is the least confusing terminology you could use.

Yes, there is.

Zen, Zen+, Zen 2, Zen 3

There are 4 generations of Ryzen CPU

[next kestrel]

man

[versed rock]

Ryzen 1000, Ryzen 2000, Ryzen 3000, and Ryzen 5000

[foggy hazel]

and which does the 4000 series belong to again?:)

[next kestrel]

honestly it doesnt even matter

[versed rock]

Laptop only

[foggy hazel]

yes

[versed rock]

It belongs with Ryzen 3000

[next kestrel]

the 4th generation is the 5000 series

[foggy hazel]

which is using parts from what generation

[versed rock]

3rd Gen

[next kestrel]

thats it

[deep skiff]

i mean theres like 2 ryzen 4000 desktop apus

[versed rock]

Yeah, but we don't talk about those because those are for embedded systems.

[foggy hazel]

so, your "let me clear it up" monologue is not clearing anything up :)

[graceful tide]

5000 series on amd website says it is the next gen, using simple math gen 3 + 1 = gen 4 O.o This math stuff is hard.

[foggy hazel]

also, technically you can say that the SOC's in the consoles is their own generation

which was released before the zen3 chips

which means everything moves over by 1 gen

[versed rock]

Because AMD's marketing team is a bunch of dum dum stinky heads who thought it would be MORE confusing to call the new generation of Ryzen Desktop chips Ryzen 4000

Which caused MORE confusion in reality.

[foggy hazel]

blame the OEM's for that one @versed rock

from a consumer pov, the 4000 series being laptop only makes plenty of sense

[graceful tide]

I like how they only show 1080p statistics on the amd site xD

[foggy hazel]

laptop/integreated/embedded

[versed rock]

1080p is where CPUs are actually realistically testable.

We are currently not at a high enough GPU technology that 1440p is a CPU Bottlenecked Resolution.

[graceful tide]

games rely more on gpu than cpu anyways so idk why they act like it makes a 30% difference when you will never notice a difference.

[versed rock]

CPU actually matters more for consistient Frame Time and Frame Pacing.

[olive kraken]

oof

[graceful tide]

I got a question relating to a build

[thorny tusk]

what

[olive kraken]

I wanted th enoctua fans to change the fans that come with the case

[graceful tide]

I've never had a problem streaming on my 2060 RTX and after the resent update on game drivers nvidia pushed out I crash with blue screen 5 mins into live streams.

any fix?

[olive kraken]

because i already have the 3 fans

[versed rock]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[foggy hazel]

talk with nvidia about that @graceful tide

sounds like a pure software problem. Which can be mitigated by rolling back the driver.

[olive kraken]

Let me update with what I actually have

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VHb68J

This is my list after I switched from intel to amd

[versed rock]

Jebus

Why a 5800X?

And why X570?

[olive kraken]

Also I have a 2080s FTW3 as a placeholder until I can get my hands on 3080

I am doing cad, gaming and streaming

[thorny tusk]

ok waht are you doing with the pc

[versed rock]

And why for the love of god are you going to run a 3080 with Dual 1080p monitors?

1440p is where the 3080 shines man

[thorny tusk]

you just give critciem

have you herd of advise

[junior atlas]

The advice is look for 1440 optimized Monitors. Especially for Dual Screen.

[thorny tusk]

he already that

[junior atlas]

As for suggestions in which models, what's your budget?

[thorny tusk]

the monitors

[olive kraken]

I already got the monitors

[thorny tusk]

im going to say im not going to buy the 5000 series cpu for a while

[olive kraken]

I been had them

[thorny tusk]

there probly going to be out done

[olive kraken]

I don't think I will need a 3080 for all I am doing now

But I don't plan to update in at least 4 years

That's why I am going over the top

[junior atlas]

@thorny tusk Literally just bought one today lol

[thorny tusk]

ok

i said im not going to

[junior atlas]

I meant more so I get why you wouldn't. It wasn't cheap and it wasn't easy to get

[thorny tusk]

to not spend money when i dont need to and there also very hard to get cuntly

[sharp tundra]

Cuntly huh?

Lol

[olive kraken]

Ayeee

2060 arrived

[sharp tundra]

Nice

[olive kraken]

Finally can finish coworker's build

[sharp tundra]

I won't get mine till the 11th

[thorny tusk]

coworks

[olive kraken]

Postedon build pics

[sharp tundra]

Eww

I don't like evga

Kinda ugly imo

[olive kraken]

Lol

[thorny tusk]

that bag tho

[olive kraken]

It's going to be on a mini itx case

With a tinted side panel

Coworker will never see it

[sharp tundra]

Here's what I got

I love strix

[olive kraken]

Nice

[versed rock]

Why the Strix?

For a 5600XT?

[olive kraken]

I got a FTW3

[sharp tundra]

Cause strix is litty

[olive kraken]

Changed theLED TO PURPLEEEEEEE

[versed rock]

That's such an underpowered card to even have a Strix card for it.

[sharp tundra]

And I got it $80 off on newegg

At least ill never have to worry about heating issues

Also, I can probably keep the cooling parts it i ever get another 20 series

I imagine its almost the same across all cards of that size

[versed rock]

It isn't.

You can't just un-bolt a GPU cooler and expect it to fit on another GPU

[sharp tundra]

So you're telling me I can't put those cooling parts on 2080ti?

[versed rock]

Die sizes are different, VRAM and VRM placements are different.

No, you can't.

Because a 2080Ti has a larger die than a 5600XT

And so the coldplate of the cooler will be too small

[sharp tundra]

You sure they don't use the same Coldplate across all gpus of that style?

[versed rock]

No... They don't...

[sharp tundra]

Those coldplates look like the same size if you ask me

[versed rock]

They aren't.

[raw mist]

Guys what budget rgb fans would u reccommend getting for a pc build? 120mm and around 40-50 usd or 60-70 cad for a pack of 3

[versed rock]

I'd recommend buying a case that comes WITH RGB fans in the first place.

[olive kraken]

The asia horse something aren't those budget rgb or a case with rgb

[versed rock]

Because alone, RGB fans are expensive.

[olive kraken]

↑

[raw mist]

ok thanks

also what cases would u reccomend?

[versed rock]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QdXYcf/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dbk

Done.

[sharp tundra]

Nzxt h1

[raw mist]

ok thanks

[versed rock]

Nomad, you literally had to pick the most vomit inducingly meh case ever.

[sharp tundra]

Lol, I kinda like it

[olive kraken]

I mean Cooler Master TD500 Mesh is cute

[versed rock]

The NZXT H1 is expensive as balls, and is not a good case.

[sharp tundra]

Its expensive cause it has an AIO and Riser cable built into already

[versed rock]

Yeah, and it also basically acts like a furnace for your GPU.

[olive kraken]

Oof

Guys it's just a case

[sharp tundra]

There isn't a positive airflow in the case, but the gpu fans blow directly out of the case

[versed rock]

There are good cases, and really BAD cases.

[olive kraken]

Like the Asus Helios

Rly good case

[raw mist]

i kinda want this case tho....https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/VxRzK8/lian-li-pc-o11dw-atx-full-tower-case-pc-o11dw

[versed rock]

Good ones have mesh front panels and allow your parts to breathe.

[sinful hornet]

O11 is just too big for me

[versed rock]

The O-11 Dynamic is a good case, if you are Liquid Cooling.

Other than that, don't buy an O-11 Dynamic

[olive kraken]

O-11 is a cutie

[raw mist]

yeah i like the case but like i dont need to liquid cool a r5 3600

[olive kraken]

I wanted it until I saw the define 7 compact

[versed rock]

My first Custom Loop will be in an O-11 Dynamic Mini when it comes out.

[olive kraken]

More cutie ness

[sinful hornet]

for my next build, which is generally aesthetics focused, im going with the tinted meshify C

[versed rock]

Blegh

[olive kraken]

Ohh

[versed rock]

A worse P400A

Even with fans

[sinful hornet]

no u

[steel yacht]

Bruh I’m still looking for a case

[olive kraken]

Technically it's better

[versed rock]

It's just flat worse than the P400A statistically

[sharp tundra]

My next build is going into a corsair 4000d airflow

[sinful hornet]

it looks better tho

[olive kraken]

"aesthetics focused"

[sinful hornet]

does the p400a have a tinted option?

[versed rock]

You could just tint the glass yourself.

[olive kraken]

Tint it yourself xd

[steel yacht]

Ima be a NZXT fan boy and get the elite

[sinful hornet]

and it'd look like shet

[versed rock]

Nah, it'd probably look the same.

[sinful hornet]

no

dont

bad

[versed rock]

It really isn't hard to tint glass.

[foggy hazel]

you ever consider that the p400a is ugly as sin to some people?

[raw mist]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/vxMxcT this is my build so far. any suggestions?

[versed rock]

And those people are wrong.

[foggy hazel]

no, its called preference

[versed rock]

H510, throw it in the dumpster.

SSD is overpriced

[sharp tundra]

P400a is eww

[sinful hornet]

the h510 is the dumptser

[versed rock]

Everything else is alright.

[sinful hornet]

dumpster fire

[versed rock]

Wait

[sharp tundra]

I don't like it

[versed rock]

No, the RAM is overpriced.

[raw mist]

what ssd should i get then?

[versed rock]

Give me a moment to fix this.

Wait

There's no PSU...

[raw mist]

ok

wait what

[versed rock]

🤔

[steel yacht]

The

[sinful hornet]

bruh what

[steel yacht]

Case two problems

It’s overpriced

And bad air flow

[raw mist]

ohhh i was gonna add the psu today i got carried away w the fans

[sharp tundra]

Damn it

[steel yacht]

Lul

[sharp tundra]

Anytime I download a picture it always does that

There we go

Thats the dream case

😍

[olive kraken]

Eh

9/10

[versed rock]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/bTKLPV Fixed the entire build

[olive kraken]

I no like the front

[sharp tundra]

There's different front options

[versed rock]

There's 1 front option for Airflow though.

And that's the metal mesh panel

[olive kraken]

Then probs a 10

[sharp tundra]

But the case itself is designed for airflow, regardless of which model

[olive kraken]

Also for the build

[steel yacht]

Wyd

The cpu

It’s 260$

For a 3600

[sinful hornet]

my dream case used to be the b530p

[steel yacht]

Tf

[olive kraken]

If u r rly tight on budget u could change the NVME but that's a solid one for the price

[versed rock]

I didn't do anything. It's Canada.

[sharp tundra]

Its just 1 model gets more airflow then the rest

[steel yacht]

Ojhhh

Dam that’s over priced asf

[raw mist]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/bTKLPV Fixed the entire build
@versed rock u just spent more money on the ram tho......

[sharp tundra]

What is?

[versed rock]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/BjdW3Z Cheapened the build a little.

[sinful hornet]

mate theres conversio rates?

[steel yacht]

Usally the hugest it goes over is like 20 bucks at most

[versed rock]

I spent more money on RAM because you had slow AF 3600CL18

Ryzen likes Fast RAM

[olive kraken]

It's cl 18

[versed rock]

3600 CL16 is fest

[olive kraken]

Calm down

Like a 5% at most

[raw mist]

whats the difference between CL16 and CL18

[olive kraken]

No worries

[versed rock]

A fair bit

[raw mist]

im not a ram expert lol

[versed rock]

You go from 10ns first word latency to 8.89ns first word latency.

Which, is worth it for Ryzen

[sharp tundra]

Ig you're gaming, all you need is 2×8GB 3600mhz

[thorny tusk]

it depnds what kind ram you looking at

[versed rock]

Still, the faster you can go latency wise at 3600Mhz, the better.

[raw mist]

ok

[versed rock]

Going beyond 3600Mhz causes the Infinity Fabric to change it's clock rate.

[thorny tusk]

3600 cl 16 is the sweat value to profamance

[sharp tundra]

I like the way you spelt that lol

[versed rock]

I wish I had 150 to blow on a RAM replacement.

[sharp tundra]

Rgb ram ofc

[versed rock]

Crucial has a Ballistix kit in White at 2x16 3600CL16

Nah, screw RGB

I want pure white

[sharp tundra]

Huh?

Get white rgb ram

[versed rock]

My build already has enough RGB

[sharp tundra]

They have software for a reason

[versed rock]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Skiptrace/saved/XTPmgs This is my current build as it stands right now.

[sharp tundra]

Rgb makes your pc go FAST

[versed rock]

No, it doesn't.

Stop perpetuating a dead meme.

[rotund river]

Yah Rgb stands for
Really
Fast

[sharp tundra]

Stop being a party pooper

[dapper lagoon]

Whats yalls opinion on the 5950x and 5900x witch would be the better option

[rotund river]

Anyways I'm kinda sad I might have to just completely rebuild my pc for a 6900 xt

[idle hawk]

Put things in perspective for the box

[sinful hornet]

dayum is that the master?

[idle hawk]

Yessir

Big chungus

[sinful hornet]

best lookin one if you ask me

[idle hawk]

She took 2 of my radiator fan slots lol

I posted a while ago how it looked in the case

[sharp tundra]

3080 is tiny

Jk

[versed rock]

@dapper lagoon What are you doing with either of those CPU's?

[covert sequoia]

can someone see if all these compatible with each other.

https://newegg.io/afffa94

[ocean nimbus]

Is that a 3080

?

[versed rock]

Blegh, Intel.

[ocean nimbus]

Eww intel build

[versed rock]

Scooby, i'd HIGHLY, VERY HIGHLY recommend NOT buying Intel.

[ocean nimbus]

[thorny tusk]

@covert sequoia do pcpp

[versed rock]

Like, VERY highly.

[dapper lagoon]

@versed rock to be honest I'm dumb when it come to component selection. Its my first build I just want the best. With the newest tech I will mainly be using it for gaming eventually some 3d designing

[thorny tusk]

intel bad

[ocean nimbus]

Get Ryzen 7 5000 series

[covert sequoia]

im a developer intel runs faster

[versed rock]

No... my sweet summer child, it doesn't.

[covert sequoia]

amd is playing games

[versed rock]

Not with Ryzen 5000

Scooby, AMD isn't playing any games.

AMD is 100% legitimately faster in Single Threaded workloads this generation.

[idle hawk]

@ocean nimbus yes its a 3080 and 2070 super

[covert sequoia]

weve ran the tests man. intel runs faster IDES

[versed rock]

You physically couldn't have run the tests.

Ryzen 5000 hasn't been out for more than a day to the general public.

[dapper lagoon]

@versed rock this are my current part selection plus samsung 980pro 1b

[versed rock]

Rising, please put your part list into PCPartPicker.

[wide bison]

the ryzen 5000 series still sold out everwhere?

[versed rock]

@covert sequoia https://prnt.sc/vebxb7 5950X in a Chromium Code Compile.

[sharp tundra]

Isn't the hero a thread ripper board?

@dapper lagoon

[versed rock]

Rising, you really chose the wrong time to buy parts...

And, a Liquid Cooler is basically pointless.

I'd send the Motherboard, Cooler, and SSD back TBH.

You way overpaid on those parts.

Also the Crosshair Hero board isn't Threadripper.

@dapper lagoon How much money are you willing to spend on a PC?

[sharp tundra]

Oh, I must be thinking of something else

[dapper lagoon]

@versed rock what's a limit lol

[sharp tundra]

@dapper lagoon buy my pc then

[versed rock]

Uhhh... If you don't know the definition of a limit... You really should learn it.

And you should also realistically wait for RX 6000 to come out.

[fleet pagoda]

whats highest cpu i could go for w my mobo

[versed rock]

Replacing your Motherboard.

That's the highest CPU you can go for, is replacing your motherboard.

[little osprey]

I think powercolor used a bit too much thermal paste

[fleet pagoda]

mane

[dapper lagoon]

@versed rock I make enough to spend on what I want though I'm not rich

[versed rock]

Not really.

[idle hawk]

which card is that

[versed rock]

That's, actually almost not enough paste.

GPUs can go a little paste happy and be ok.

[sinful hornet]

^

[little osprey]

Its flowing off over the dye

[sinful hornet]

so are all

[little osprey]

@idle hawk an rx 5700xt

[sinful hornet]

every single card has that

[idle hawk]

oh wow

[little osprey]

Really?

[sinful hornet]

if you've watched a teardown, you'd see it on every teardow

[little osprey]

Looks like its too much

[sinful hornet]

iits not like there being too much will really affect it

[versed rock]

@dapper lagoon Do you have a specific color in mind for your build?

[little osprey]

Its just seemed a bit off to me because of the amount of paste seeping off the dye and onto the pcb

[idle hawk]

its normal

i took a refernce 1070ti apart even tho if was dry it seeped everywhere

[versed rock]

@dapper lagoon If you have a balls to the wall no-chill, do anything budget, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yd8kXb is what i'd build, which means you'd have to wait till at least 12/8/2020 for the GPU to come out.

[stoic island]

For example, this is a 3080

[little osprey]

Was the misalignment of thermal pads on the vrms ok?

[stoic island]

there's paste 'seeping' off the sides

performs just fine

[little osprey]

I took it apart because my water block is coming in tomorrow and I just wanted to take it apart now for some reason

[versed rock]

I'm glad you guys enlightened me to the MP34, I will definitely be wanting to get one of those for Christmas.

[stoic island]

:D

[versed rock]

106.99 for a 1TB M.2 SSD is a killer deal for a good one

[stoic island]

MP34 is nice

[versed rock]

Especially coming from my current SSD.

[cloud oasis]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3p9Ygt

2.2k build

[versed rock]

Samsung 860 Evo

Ditch the Liquid Cooler

[cloud oasis]

No

[versed rock]

And the X570 motherboard.

Yes.

[cloud oasis]

no

[fading kiln]

wait so is it really a bad time to buy parts? I've been thinking of building a pc for way too long

[versed rock]

You are paying more for realistically no major benefit.

[covert sequoia]

ok what about this one

https://newegg.io/a5f2a0e

[cloud oasis]

dont disrespect arctic liquid freezer

[versed rock]

I'm not disrespecting it.

I'm saying you have no legitimate reason to run Liquid Cooling

[little osprey]

It is a r9 5900x

[cloud oasis]

Also the mobo in the list supposedly is “ready for amd 5000 seires” according to amd

yep

[versed rock]

And? Runs just fine on Air.

[cloud oasis]

Air noisy

[versed rock]

No?

[cloud oasis]

Yep

[versed rock]

Air is, arguably more quiet than Liquid

Pump Noise, more fans, etc.

And, Liquid if it dies, can cause catastrophic effects.

Air coolers have 1 point of failure.

The fan

You can replace the fan and it will keep truckin.

[sullen spoke]

liquid mostly for the looks and if you have the budget

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[versed rock]

Liquid Coolers have MANY points of failure.

[cloud oasis]

aio

[versed rock]

And if some of them fail, bad things happen to all your parts.

[fading kiln]

skiptrace out here boosting my fears for liquid cooling

[versed rock]

And, you are buying literally one of the best airflow cases on the market, putting a Liquid Cooler in it is like a sin.

[dapper lagoon]

@versed rock https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Risingflames/saved/YxZmrH this is what I have

[versed rock]

Private Part List.

[fading kiln]

private

[versed rock]

Also, you don't really need an Exhaust Fan for the P500A digital

It just kinda has enough air pressure to force air out of the case.

Because 3x120mm fan + mesh front = stronk airflow

[fading kiln]

are there any established guides for 5950x builds

[little osprey]

You can just watch any build high end am4 build guide

[stoic island]

if you mean guides to what parts to pick

meh

pick them yourself

[fading kiln]

but what if they dont go together

[little osprey]

Oh he means what parts to pick

[tulip nest]

yall like my build i sent it in the pics

[covert sequoia]

https://newegg.io/a5f2a0e

[little osprey]

I thought he meant how to assemble to computer itself

[fading kiln]

nah i'm just talking about picking the parts

[little osprey]

Oh ok

[sullen spoke]

guides get outdated quickly to constantly changing prices and products

[stoic island]

@fading kiln Mess around with this, we can give advice
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[fading kiln]

I built something quickly but I have no clue if the parts go together or how to found out

[covert sequoia]

yea same here

https://newegg.io/a5f2a0e

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JYpnLP opions? already have ram peripheals hard drives ect.

[covert sequoia]

whelp coming here was a complete waste of time lol

cyas

[cursive magnet]

@covert sequoia Id read the reviews on the parts. That case in particular has bad user reviews, cramped, bad airflow, etc.

[cloud oasis]

@versed rock i would put a nh-d15 in there but im worried about clearance

[stoic island]

@little osprey what's it for?

[little osprey]

light gaming coding animating so bascally general use

[stoic island]

To start off, B550 doesn't support APUs

Need wifi?

[versed rock]

Nhd15 and drp4 are basically the same

[next kestrel]

except drp4 is black

[cursive magnet]

@covert sequoia Depending on your use, CPU and mobo are overkill and RAM is overpriced

[stoic island]

NH-U12a ftw

[little osprey]

apus???? im new to this extremly sorry.

[stoic island]

Welp, let's start this way, what's the overall budget?

[little osprey]

around 350$

[stoic island]

hm

[little osprey]

i have a different mother board picked out but its 450 instead of 550

[cursive magnet]

@fading kiln need help??

[stoic island]

You want to game on it yes?

[little osprey]

yes

[stoic island]

what ram

hmm

[little osprey]

16gb , i plan to have a future proof build as possible

[stoic island]

it's going to be bad no matter what way I look at it

[little osprey]

wdym

[stoic island]

because I don't think I can squeeze a decent GPU in there without going over budget

or turning to the used market

[rough forum]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RNzdDc anyone have any suggestions,i can still change the motherboard, ram

[little osprey]

using intergrated grapphics for now i plan on upgrading later

[stoic island]

here's the thing

ryzen APUs are 1 generation behind in terms of CPU architecture

aka. 3400g is the same as like a 4-core 2600

Which is quite saddening because they actually have decent iGPUs

[fading kiln]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RNzdDc anyone have any suggestions,i can still change the motherboard, ram
5k pc

[little osprey]

other then gpu wise is it a good system?

[rough forum]

i have majority of the parts so cant return them xD

[stoic island]

I'm just gonna get another suggestion for you that'll scale better with upgrades

[fading kiln]

u can send them to me

ill take care of that 3090 dw

[rough forum]

haha i am coming from a 9900k if you want to buy

[stoic island]

This will scale better with upgradability @little osprey
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nJty4d

[fading kiln]

nah i've done my share of intel

wanna go team red this time round

[stoic island]

Reason being just faster single thread perf

tho worse iGP afaik

[rough forum]

same here, never had a amd based build before

[fading kiln]

is that mb you're buying gonna need another cpu for the bios or nah

[rough forum]

i want the viii dark hero but thats not out yet

otherwise i could do the usb bios update

[little osprey]

This will scale better with upgradability @little osprey
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nJty4d
@stoic island how is that machine better then the other??

[rough forum]

what are you going with jimmyQ sounds like you doing new build tolo

*Too

[fading kiln]

i am but i got no idea

want something around 2.5k

[stoic island]

Take a look at the single thread score here
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i3-10100-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2400G/3717vs3183

that's the simplest answer

your budget is too tight for me to get you a R3 3100+1650 super

so needed something with iGP

[rough forum]

@fading kiln you getting the new amd gpus too?

[fading kiln]

thats a great question

[cursive magnet]

@fading kiln what are you gonna do with your system?

[fading kiln]

I've actually got some pretty bad history with amd gpu's and i really liked the nvidia one i've been using

[rough forum]

i benchmarked on 4k yesterday in some of the games AMD showcased wit the 6900xt and was getting bit more fps then what they showed

[little osprey]

whats a igp??

[fading kiln]

this is what i came up with but i really have no idea how to pick parts

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/messinismarios/saved/CsHFgs