more cores = more power (handles more tasks)
#building-and-recc-chat
wispy lynx
thats why I said
no
more cores=CAN HELP IN CERTAIN TASKS
but
most tasks only use a few core
rarely more than 4ish
true comet
See I had a I-5 2 core (shit)
wispy lynx
2 cores isnt ideal for 2020, but its not like it wont work
true comet
and xbox is smoother with what I have now
than*
Also, I notice in here alot of people lean on AMD vs Intel
more bang for your buck?
true comet
Im honestly just nervous about getting something that wont perform - you suggest the first list?
I think thats what ill get then. save the $700
I appreciate the help
🙂
wispy lynx
I would however
just a random tip
put the money towards more storage
and better monitors
and peripherals
wispy lynx
peripherals are preference
true comet
its a spectre on amazon
wispy lynx
but as for monitor
1440p 144hz
is the way to go
I recommend the MAG271CQR
and a few others
wispy lynx
fps is basically how many frames (or imgaes) your display sends per second
true comet
so you see people running 240/240
wispy lynx
hz is a unit of refreshes, or cycles
true comet
would I be able to?
true comet
so 144hz is 120fps then?
wispy lynx
mostly only makes sense for people who make all their money from competetive gaming
ok
lemme send a video
or smth
true comet
honestly its end game - I play on an xbox and get good points in tournaments but the frame drop and input lag is why Im switching
wispy lynx
wispy lynx
look at that
that should help explain it
screen is independant from monitor
GPU affects fps
monitor affects hz
wispy lynx
I dont have it memeorised
dude, it depends on the game
and im too lazy to find out rn
but why not
true comet
Sorry for dumb questions man
Im a salesman, hockey player and gamer lol
not tech savy in computers on Digital Signage
true comet
Medium
wispy lynx
you can expect around 165
at 1440p
so
1440p 144hz
or 1080p 144hz
doesnt matter
wispy lynx
np
anyways
I still recommend the first list, but get whatever dude
by all means
oh god
JP is gonna disagree I can feel it
@wide sparrow
true comet
im going to get the first list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fpG9n7
wispy lynx
kek
true comet
unless someone has something to say ? 😉
$1,200 - $1,300 budget
Arshia
you mentioned storage
could you elaborate
wispy lynx
@true comet so you get 3tb, 16gb of FAST ram, one of the best PSus on the amrket
ok
so
I put a 1tb ssd
and a 2tb hard drive
wide sparrow
DISGUSTING. Where's the RGB!!!?
wispy lynx
you can put windows, programs and fortnite on the SSD
true comet
I LIKE RGB!
true comet
Case is dope
wispy lynx
lol
true comet
Could we add RGB? more
true comet
whats quixel? i'll look
wide sparrow
Won't do
wispy lynx
do you need more than 3 terabytes?
true comet
I dont think so
wide sparrow
My heart aches 😔
true comet
Whatever you would reccommened Im open too
true comet
$1,200-$1,300 (if twitst my arm $1,500)
wide sparrow
Dam....that's going to be hard
true comet
@wispy lynx has been helping like a G
wispy lynx
I mean
my listy is a starting point
you can edit it
but fundamentally, its a good list
adjust to your preferences
eager chasm
It's a pretty solid PC in that range
eager chasm
I mean you could cut some concerns there and still have the same performance, and get it closer to the original target
Like the list before
little osprey
You could probably drop the hard drive and pick one up later
little osprey
Do you want a wifi board, or are you going wired
wide sparrow
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TyFvsk
More RGB now
true comet
wired
true comet
I dont want to add anything after the initial purchase
little osprey
Got it down to 1321
The nh-d15 has comparable acoustics and thermals compared to water cooling at a lesser price
wide sparrow
no rgb
little osprey
Well....
wide sparrow
But
that performance is very solid for the price I have to say
Case doesn't have good airflow tho....
Oh well
That nh-d15 should make up for that
perhaps
little osprey
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ymxpDx better case and a pack of 5 rgb fans for 1355
@true comet
Ore you could get a meshify c for like 30 more dollars
wide sparrow
Forgot about that
wispy lynx
@little osprey stupid combo
little osprey
What is
wispy lynx
the D15
and the 3600x
and the P300A mesh
btw
NH-D15 doesnt fit in that case
just
uhh
thought you should know
little osprey
Oh yeah huh
wide sparrow
Get the RMx version
wispy lynx
not even
you can get a Rev D.F.
lol
or a DQ-M
or a Prime ultra gold
list fixed
have a nice day
as for NH-D15
its dumb
theres no point
in fact
little osprey
I mean yeah
wide sparrow
Why my computer is $1730. I can't compromise on looks, performance, and durability
wispy lynx
theres NO POINT FOR MOST AFTERMARKET COOLERS on zen2
little osprey
But like what if he wants to upgrade
wispy lynx
@wide sparrow why my computer is 2 grand: I got good ram
wide sparrow
Nice nice
wispy lynx
@little osprey do you know what the efficiency cure looks like over time?
just
wondering
have you known that CPUs and GPUs have,for at least the past 20 years, been on the trend of consuming LESSSSS power?
not more?
wide sparrow
@wispy lynx specs?
wispy lynx
less power=less heat
if you want to upgrade
you upgrade, but your upgrade is gonna consume less power
and thus put out less heat
...
if you mean upgrade from 3600x to 3950x
well
- thats stupid
- you can stick with the stock 3600x cooler in theory
- NH-D15 would still be overkill
wide sparrow
^
little osprey
I just threw on a cooler that I know works and has a decent price tag
wide sparrow
Just don't overclock
wispy lynx
just use the stock cooler
true comet
Whatever you guys think im lost in all this lol
wispy lynx
@wide sparrow why the ever loving crap would you OC Zen2?
wispy lynx
PBO tuning
little osprey
Performance
wide sparrow
I said just don't lol
wispy lynx
no Miles
no
- AVX stability 2) PBO tuning
OC'd zen2 typically iosnt AVX stable
on top of this
PBO tuning will net you more performance than a manual OC in single threaded workloads
as well as comprable on MT worloads
basically
300 240 230 5x is what I run on my Zen2 rig
little osprey
I was just parting together something trying to help out
wispy lynx
Ok, thats why I am explaining it to you
so you can learn
and give better advice
🙂
anyways, sabrent rocket is also a waste for that price
sullen spoke
psi
little osprey
You could probably get away with a 500 or 550
sullen spoke
what we talkin pressure now
wispy lynx
400 is enough for that system
but again, its not about wattage
its about quality of the power supply itself
sullen spoke
It's pinned here
wispy lynx
I need to talk to him, we were gonna start a minecraft server together lol
little osprey
What
wispy lynx
savenjie
little osprey
Kewl
little osprey
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2HbwrH/corsair-rmx-2018-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020178-na I’d go with this psu, but other than that it looks good
Oh and I’d go with this gpu, it has the same performance at a slightly smaller price. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/88drxr/evga-geforce-rtx-2070-super-8-gb-black-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-3071-kr
wispy lynx
@little osprey you literally have access to the best PSu tier list on the PSU market
and you suggest a RMx
bruh
little osprey
I’ve used it a lot and from my experience it works well
wispy lynx
that doesnt mean much
given 99% of poeple dont know what even makes a good PSU
what makes a good PSU dude
teal bison
he doesnt need the best psu for that kind of a system
little osprey
A reliable psu is good for me
little osprey
Experience
little osprey
Like a year and a half of near constant use and it’s been reliable, so I think it’s reliable
stoic island
@wispy lynx then you give your evidence
wispy lynx
@stoic island sure, my evidence is protections
stoic island
Iirc RMx has good ocp otp ovp uvp
wispy lynx
Its also single raikl meaning the OCP is only over the +12v output, not on each trace
little osprey
What
stoic island
Then what would you recommend?
little osprey
Gonna need to dumb it down for me bud, I’m not an electrician
wispy lynx
for the 650w model
stoic island
I need to check something, the RM series is better than the RMx series iirc
wispy lynx
@little osprey basically, too much power, PSU chuts off. Too much current, PSU shuts off. Too much voltage, PSU shuts off
@stoic island other way round
RMx(2018)>RM(2019)
little osprey
Ah
stoic island
Yea RM has OCP on 12v rail
little osprey
So if it gets to much it turns off
wispy lynx
@stoic island as does RMx
its over the rail, not each trace
its singlerail OCP
@little osprey or too little
not just too much
stoic island
Why TF was it listed on the RMx that there wasn't ocp on 12v rail?
Is mobile website bugged or smth?
wispy lynx
@stoic island oh also you can use the LTT PSU tier list but uhhh
one second
generally everyone agrees that the RMx is better
stoic island
wispy lynx
also iirc RM doesnt use japanese caps
stoic island
Well if OCP was an issue, RM>RMx
stoic island
Well bad OCP is what sets the EVGA G3 in the d level on the tier list lol
cursive wharf
regulation is adequate on G3, just the lack of OPP (though in the LTT notes it says OCP, a mistake as based on reviews they say it is missing OPP) and OTP
RMx has OPP on 12v rail Im pretty sure. So with UVP and OVP keeping voltages in check then that effectively just checks current and kinda acts as OCP, I think @stoic island
ah wait, OCP is also set too high on G3, so lacking OPP and a useless OCP combo can probs do something bad
subtle halo
just buy 200$ psu end of discussion xD.. my gray prebuilt psu lasted 2006-2014 xD
foggy hazel
@subtle halo shush, you are trying to tell people that their "racing stripes" have no practical purpose
that is very much like bringing facts to a gossip meeting
subtle halo
well hei had high standards and all psu requirements is needed to be checked and no cons .. 
imma go with 300$ ones .. but still have few cons like short cable or theres capacitor stuff hard to bend thingy..
sullen spoke
CABLEMOD
little osprey
Is there a good video on how to build a pc? I'm about to start a build
upper condor
Like. Have all the parts?
little osprey
I have the big components but missing thermal paste for the cpu
foggy hazel
what cpu and what cooler?
little osprey
All the parts were from an old HP350 I think the build is for my brother
foggy hazel
the only hp350 i know is a laptop :)
little osprey
Hmm well then I'm probably wrong but I do know the cpu is an AMD Aceleron
That's really all ik about the parts
foggy hazel
Aceleron <- not a type/model
sudden turret
Athlon?
foggy hazel
@little osprey i would strongly recommend that you figure out what mainboard you have, and then lookup the manual for that (because you will most likely need it (the manual) for reference
little osprey
The motherboard?
buoyant flame
@blazing loom I saw in build pics that you had dual rx480s. Just outta curiosity how did that perform
Nothing really @foggy hazel
I finished my build thanks to your helo
Help
foggy hazel
you are very welcome :)
and in regards to the crossfire/sli performance of a dual GPU setup. It is not worth investing in.
buoyant flame
That's what I've heard
foggy hazel
not even if you can get one of the GPU's for free
buoyant flame
Lol
foggy hazel
there was a time when it looked like the gaming community at large was moving that way, that was a good 10 years ago
buoyant flame
I wouldn't be able to do it anyway because my board's pcie slots are not the same speed or whatever
upper condor
What if you get both free?
buoyant flame
What's the difference between sli and nvlink
upper condor
In sli, one card is the "master" and the rest have reduced speed compared to what theyd have normally. In Nvlink, they all are equal @buoyant flame
buoyant flame
Ok
foggy hazel
which is again, not something that actually matters on the consumer side of things
hence why i only offered up the bandwidth answer.
buoyant flame
Ok makes sense
foggy hazel
and before one of the lurkers posts about it. Yes, there are cases where crossfire/sli actually does perform better than a single card. but it is the niche of the niche
blazing loom
Oldegg. They ran so good that I now have a 1080ti lol
Just too much hassle. Not a lot of support for the games I played.
upper condor
@late ice what are the specs? Ive seen pictures and all but am unaware of the contents
late ice
3950x
Aqua
1300 g2+
Strix 2080 Ti OC (x2)
ROG Bridge
32 GB Hyperx Predator 3600 CL17
2 x 1 TB KC2000 NVMe
3 x 2 TB UV500 in raid0
EKWB fittings, rads, gpu blocks
Noctua NFF12s
Enthoo 719
@upper condor
digital hill
lyric thistle
why not i11 smh
cyan plaza
they could have you know told use the usb, French version. oem version up front without needed to click on every one
lyric thistle
Windows 10 Pro 32 Bit
cyan plaza
it really makes it confusing when your trying to price everything up
cyan plaza
ya i don't think the cost even covers the amount of stuff you get from the diffrence
justifies
also the oem under the oem is also a oem..
but on amazon the 2nd oem is the none oem one
eager chasm
Pro is great 👌
The cost is like $15
Anyone paying full retail might as well light some money on fire for warmth
Plenty of legit key sellers.
cyan plaza
so how do key sellers sell a os for $15 when it normally cost $150 ish?
fresh summit
hey guys can you tell me if i can make any improvements this is a build for a friend he will be playing rainbow six siege and pubg and some other games idk the budget was 1000
he said if its like 50 over he doesnt care
foggy hazel
@fresh summit if you want to have us look a something, posting the link would be helpful
fresh summit
oh sorry i ment to
lol my bad
i would also cover the cost of the extra fans for my own use
and he like rgb
foggy hazel
that is imo a fairly silly build
foggy hazel
2sec, let me check my saved lists
fresh summit
ok
foggy hazel
fresh summit
Thanks
foggy hazel
there is no point, whatsoever in paying for something like a AIO for a system like what you linked
the cpu does not need the cooler
fresh summit
yeah i guess i kinda put it there for the future but if he can afford a bette cpu he can buy an aio and air coolers are almost just as good for better price
foggy hazel
so the practical use of it is "just" as a fancy light strip
AIO are not worth it for consumer hardware
fresh summit
yeah you are right
should i put a decent noctua cooler cause he will probably want to oc
foggy hazel
he can be told to raise his budget IF he wants to reach above his budget
fresh summit
yeah
foggy hazel
there are other things that could be upgraded before the cooler
the stock cooler will work just fine, for now
fresh summit
i know with the 3600x cause it comes with a better stock cooler it can handle a little oc but will what ever the stock cooler for a 3600 be fine
foggy hazel
IF he wants to OC, he should be willing to put the money for a proper aircooler into raising the SKU of his cpu first
fresh summit
ok
fresh summit
yeah
foggy hazel
that is well over half way to the 3700x
fresh summit
yeah i get your point and the 3700x comes with a pretty good cooler for it being stock
foggy hazel
it also comes with 2 extra cores
fresh summit
yeah
foggy hazel
another example
that is 100 above the current budget
that 70 usd from the cooler is a good way there already :)
fresh summit
yeah
foggy hazel
also, side note: it was on purpose that i stripped the HDD from the build
it is a 3 minute job to add in later on
fresh summit
i get your point the cooler does not impact performance and he would not need to oc with a 3700x as soon as its out of the box and it comes with a half dencent cooler
yeah
foggy hazel
what you just said, also applies to the 3600
foggy hazel
i personally think the tomahawk is overpriced for what it is
foggy hazel
compare it to what i linked
the highlights are this
the TUF has 2 * m.2 slots
a better sound chip
cursive wharf
strix-f is kinda eh
foggy hazel
and it costs a fair deal less
foggy hazel
and yes, i know that the tomahawk boards are "reddit" darlings
and imo, reddit is silly amounts of wrong about that.
cursive wharf
I mean even at the same price point of the tomahawk you still have Auros Pro and TUF Pro ATX which are better then the Tomahawk in everything but VRMs
foggy hazel
but what do i know, i have only been doing this since before reddit was a dream in someones head.
cursive wharf
that or the same
fresh summit
Ok so what your saying is the b450 tomakhawk is a easy thing for people to say yep its good imma put it in my build and they dont look at other boards
well imma go with the tuf
foggy hazel
people believe technobabble, because if they question it, they have to start actively using their brains to think for themselves
cursive wharf
Just make sure it is the TUF Pro and not Plus
foggy hazel
and that is not something people like doing.
cursive wharf
when buying
fresh summit
yeah cause the plus needs a bios update right
foggy hazel
different board entirely (is the reason for what Hei is talking about)
fresh summit
yeah but there pretty simular right
fresh summit
oh i assumed cause there both tuf and within $15usd of each other
foggy hazel
devil is in the details :)
cursive wharf
due to BIOS being updated in the factory new b450 boards support 3000 series. But it is possible to get old stock from before the factory updated the BIOS
fresh summit
ok
cursive wharf
tho as it's been a long time it is kinda hard to get old stock
foggy hazel
:)
cursive wharf
bit from the top of my head for differences between plus/pro
less M2 slots, less PCIe slots, worse sound chip, less USB ports(maybe?), less fan headers(maybe?), worse VRMs
fresh summit
ok so the pro is worth the 15 more
fresh summit
ok
foggy hazel
@fresh summit have a look at the list i sent you again
fresh summit
ok
foggy hazel
take a good look at the size of the board
fresh summit
its micro atx
foggy hazel
and the price
cursive wharf
pro mATX and ATX only differ in PCIe slots pretty sure, and of course size
fresh summit
and its 98 vs 120
foggy hazel
95*
fresh summit
oh
foggy hazel
anything else you would like to know about @fresh summit ?
fresh summit
No you covered it all thanks so much
foggy hazel
you are very welcome
if you share the list with someone, and they tell you that the parts are not suitable, please send them over here, i always welcome free entertainment
foggy hazel
thank you :)
dark mango
cursive wharf
A400 is a poor SSD, 970 Evo is overpriced, Aorus M is pretty meh, get the 1600AF, 1050Ti is overpriced, Corsair RAM is overpriced
deep skiff
should of put the price at 110 then :v
ripe helm
So I’m just curious here, I have an msi board and the msi software seems to freeze sometimes it loooks like and the rgb lights just stay frozen and no longer change colour which requires me to log in and out? Any fix ?
wispy matrix
I never had that problem
sudden turret
I would try to unistall all RGB software, and fresh install it.
tardy olive
Is there a difference in gameplay between the curved high refresh rate monitors and the standard non curved?
Any advantages or is it personal preference
analog hearth
standard as in 60Hz non curved?
but the advantage between curved and not curved monitors is that curved panels, imo, are more immersive
and higher refresh rates = quicker response times
and they also allow you to react quicker (typically)
subtle halo
Is there a difference in gameplay between the curved high refresh rate monitors and the standard non curved?
@tardy olive yes ..
viewing angle is even
sacred obsidian
I just think they look nicer but yeah can be more immersive
strange garden
Hey all so I have an HP OEM RTX 2080 that runs a little on the warm side. I want to get the temps down a bit to have some headroom to overclock a bit. I’m looking at either getting the arctic accelero xtreme IV for the kraken g12. Any thoughts or experience with either? Or should I just try to sell my card and get a card with a better aftermarket cooler?
deep skiff
going liquid cooled with the kraken will be more expensive unless you can get a radiator for dirt cheap, as u need the bracket+radiator, i'd go with accelero
viral ore
define "on the warm side"
if it hits 85C its fine
anything over, then you should start to worry
you should start by undervolting the core
that will bring temps down a few C depending on how low you can get it
deep skiff
yeah
strange garden
If I don’t max out the fan it will easily push 80+C and like I said I want to overclock if I can get the temps down
sudden turret
what case is it
upper condor
Hey so one of my friends broke his pc, but I want to know exactly whats broken. It turns on, fans run, but no video
He has an i5 2nd gen idk which
He has no clue what mobo
Gt 1030
It was working but then it said the fan wasnt mounted right so he redid it and it doesnt work now
Cpu fan
Everything still turns on and works, but no video
sullen spoke
well if there is no video it is probably a gpu issue
rapid compass
im guessing he plugged the monitor into the motherboard instead of the gpu
sullen spoke
is he using the correct video port?
upper condor
I hope
sullen spoke
better check lol
upper condor
He said hdmi
upper condor
On the mobo
rapid compass
tell him to plug it into the GPU
sullen spoke
well use the one on the gpu
upper condor
He tried that
sullen spoke
integrated will not work if there is a gpu isntalled
upper condor
It was out
sullen spoke
maybe something wrong with monitor or cable
upper condor
I think he melted his cpu it was at 100% usage normally in chrome
upper condor
Yeah ik
sullen spoke
that's a big oof
upper condor
Yee
foggy hazel
@sullen spoke "integrated will not work if there is a gpu isntalled " <- not true. It very much depends on the board
sullen spoke
some sure
cursive wharf
Most modern boards support iGPU and dGPU at the same time
strange garden
@sudden turret sorry for the late response, been at work. It’s an s340 elite from NZXT
viral ore
Finally got my second SSD and installed it. Am happy
teal bison
depends on your budget
upper condor
Yeah
Have you purchased all the parts
Do you have a list?
Get the pulse instead
teal bison
for 300 i would go with a 5700
but get a good 5700 so you can flash the bios without temp problems
if you dont mind doing that
do you plan on OCing your cpu?
and what are you using the build for?
because you can save like $50 if you dont need fast storage, which for gaming you really dont
gusty shale
hey, i have a quick question. So i want to upgrade my ram from 8gb to 16gb. My pc currently has ADATA XPG 8GB DDR4 2400MHz and i wanted to know if i could get a different brand but the same type of ram?
I could the same type of ram but the one available is a one stick 8gb and i was wondering if i should get since its only one stick ?
okay i got you thanks
upper condor
Not rlly lol
gusty shale
im able to switch to a differnt brand correct ?
as long its compatible with my board
gusty shale
got it thanks
teal bison
@little osprey if you want to record i would go with an nvidia gpu
lilac wyvern
Geforce rtx 2060
wide sparrow
@stoic island should have gotten it in black
cyan plaza
so i decided I'm going to get a 3 monitor mount 
why does it look like these 2 companies are under the same roof
stoic island
why 3 monitor mount?
wide sparrow
2 is more balanced
cyan plaza
i have 3 monitors and tiny desk which barely fits 2 screens 😂
so single stand would work better
wide sparrow
Lol
wide sparrow
Depends what you want in a case
teal bison
@little osprey like cheese said, depends on wants/needs and budget
deep skiff
p400a
analog hearth
yummy
tepid agate
@wispy matrix ask on #peripherals-and-displays
sudden turret
he can ask here ...
analog hearth
@upper condor yeah
upper condor
Sadly it doesnt look like that but🤷♂️
sullen spoke
Red dragon seems like a popular budget choice here
fallen bolt
I have a red dragon and it's pretty decent. Got it on sale for like 34. Let me see if I can find a link
valid sable
Is there any advantages having an r7 2700x rather than a r5 3600?
upper condor
More cores
spare flint
Quick question, pcpartpicker.com is warning me that an AMD Ryzen 5 3600 cpu might have bios issues with an asus rog strix x470-f motherboard, but this site tells me there's an issue with every part i check, do i actually have anything to worry about?
cursive wharf
I'd advised against x470 Strix anyways due to being overpriced
But anyways, just due to the mobo potentially coming with an old BIOS. Most are updated now as they are updated in the factory and it's just a matter of getting old stock from the seller
spare flint
Right, I'm new to this process in general, and have never touched any form of bios-trickery and would rather not start now.
How involved is the process of trying to get older stock, and if there is an issue what's my best course of action from there?
deep skiff
👀 b450 strix is like $120 rn tho
cursive wharf
@spare flint sorry, it's a matter of getting old stock for needing to update BIOS as new stock already has it. As for updating, you need an older CPU from a friend or ask AMD to send one for free that you borrow. Latter will probs take a few weeks tho
spare flint
@cursive wharf Right so if I keep my current cpu could I use that one to update the bios in a new setup if need be?
sullen spoke
if it is a 2nd or 1st gen cpu yes
lime forge
looks the same to me
tranquil dust
i looked at a different one
upper condor
No not different
tranquil dust
my b
sullen spoke
they proud of their work
upper condor
Proud enough to send 18 pics? Mhm sureeee
lime forge
point is, weve seen it a lot
those 18 results did not include the ones weve deleted
everybody deserves a chance on the show, and having duplicate pics takes up time
pictures for every little change take up too much space if you know what i mean
tranquil dust
fair enough
cursive wharf
@spare flint yes, if it's 1000/2000 series
sudden turret
everybody deserves a chance on the show, and having duplicate pics takes up time
@lime forge and his build was actually showcased last techin around, so there is that.
lime forge
tru
buoyant flame
I don't know what channel to put this in but I got these rgb strips but since I've put them in they are not registering my aura sync commands. Almost everything is purple except for the end of the strip. I have no idea what caused that
In that picture the strips are set to red
Notice how the ram listened but not the fans and strips
Additionally the front intake fans and the rgb strips are on different rgb headers so... 🤷♂️
When I unplugged the second strip they turned orange 👀
Its kinda hard to see but its orange
cursive wharf
You're in #building-and-recc-chat and not #build-pics right now. Generally would want this in #build-pics
buoyant flame
Even tho this is a question? I thought you weren't supposed to talk in build pics
buoyant flame
OK I don't really understand so... if you were me and your rgb strips weren't working correctly where would you ask
cursive wharf
whether the RGB header that it is plugged into is broken, broken software, whether then are plugged in the correct way, faulty RGB strips
cursive wharf
software can get broken easily tho, so be mindful of that. RGB software always sucks
buoyant flame
I mean the software was working before I plugged any of the strips in and when only 1 strip was in so... kinda makes me think it's the second strip
I'll do some more troubleshooting tomorrow tho because I'm exhausted
round river
I turned on my pc and my PSU fan started rattling (making noises pretty much). I turned it off then turned it back on and it didn’t rattle. Should I still be worried?
cursive wharf
I'd expect that PSU fan to last quite a while still. But I'd replace the PSU at some point in the next 6 - 9 months or so. Just double check to see if the PSU fan is spinning every so often. Do note though that some PSUs automatically shut off the fan when not stressed that hard while others have a 24/7 running fan
It is possible to replace the fan itself but I'd advised against it due to safety hazards
upper condor
^
Safety hazards include getting shocked reeaaal bad
misty pasture
Yo. I’m thinking of selling my laptop so I can build my first gaming PC, but idk if I should and if I do think I should, idk if I would I be allowed to... What do y’all think I should do? 
round river
how much can you sell it for?
if you can get $400 out of it, AT THE LEAST, then I would do it
misty pasture
A website told me that my current laptop is worth about $500, and since the parts I picked out on pcpartpicker.com is about $450, I think it’d be a pretty good deal. I’d have a more powerful computer, and extra money left over to do whatever I want to with.
misty pasture
If anyone’s wondering, here is the list of parts I chose from pcpartpicker.com
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KwD3sk
And before anyone asks where’s the monitor, I found a good deal somewhere else for a used HDMI 16:9 monitor for only $15.
And for anyone wondering my current specs on my laptop, it’s an i3 with 4GBs of DDR3 RAM, with a 1TB hard-drive.
cursive wharf
That PC is very much a side grade from your laptop. Get a few things used, drop some of the premium stuff like better case/ODD, reuse the HDD from laptop and get an SSD
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y2nQL2
-CPU: simply better by a whole lot
-mobo: also better
-RAM: is dual channel
-Storage: SSD + reused HDD from laptop
-GPU: Get used from eBay
-PSU: Isnt horrible like the EVGA one
-case: not overpriced
misty pasture
Based on your choices, I did change one thing. The RAM, only $10 more and now I get dual channel.
Everything else I stayed the same as I want to use the parts I picked out for my first build, and everything else just seemed pretty good.
little osprey
Whens amd releasing new stuff
cursive wharf
@misty pasture You want to use overpriced parts? Yes I did put it a bit over budget, however you're throwing your money in the dumpster by buying that build. Most parts picked are very outdated and provide very marginal boosts to what you currently have
So my suggestion is one of two things, adjust your build more to better accommodate for new parts or dont buy anything
@little osprey late 2020 is about all we know
cursive wharf
could be both, but idk much for GPUs so kinda skeptical on that part
think it might be both tho
almost 100% sure for CPUs
little osprey
If they do release gpus. U think they could b a match for a ti
Cus i wanna swap out my super for a ti
cursive wharf
I never really get on the hype train for it. Might be close to 2080Ti perf, but not worth switching said 2080Ti to it
Im expecting closer to 2080S perf tho
as AMD needs to make a pretty big leap in perf
little osprey
Now which brand do u prefer more for the ti
cursive wharf
I hear very little of gigabyte being much more then the budget brand. Coolers are kinda meh on them, dont hear too much for the XOC support of them
They're good, but usually not great/the best choice
eager chasm
If it's an AMD GPU it's probably the drivers
AMD can't make a stable graphics driver to save their lives
foggy bough
hey guys i have a question is it reasonable to put a ryzen 9 3900x on a b450 tomahawk with an rtx 2060 and 16gb of ddr4 ram?
subtle halo
its fine can u do 2070?
cursive wharf
Not really. $430 - $500 CPU in a cheap board that sucks in everything but VRMs? Spend the extra $10 - $30 on a better mobo
sharp blaze
2060 super or a 2070 if they are $10 away from each other in price? ?
@cursive wharf why is the tomahawk max a sucky board? I I literally see most choose it?
sharp blaze
@stoic island thank you for answering!
foggy stag
Do they make a caddy for 2.5 inch SSD to fit in a bay made for a cd drive?
stoic island
@foggy stag something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/Mounting-Bracket-Internal-Holder-Adapter/dp/B07K2Z3RGZ
Iirc cd drives are 5.25in bays
foggy stag
Perfect, that's what I was looking for. I was only finding 2.5 inch to laptop ones.
foggy hazel
@sharp blaze a couple of reasons: 99% of the people that pay for it, are paying for something they are not going to use. (VRM setup). So, in that regard it is overpriced for what the customer needs.
Also, for its price, it is lacking on features.
if you look at something like the Asus TUF B450M-PRO GAMING/Asus TUF B450-PRO GAMING (m-atx/atx) respectively, the Tomahawk max suddenly seems like a fairly weird choice.
@foggy stag do you "only" need one drive up there?
foggy stag
I have 3 bays. I'm just throwing a SSD in there for now, But I might throw a mechanical drive in later.
The 3rd bay has a dvd drive in it.
foggy hazel
a single screw in the ssd is plenty. So unless you have a window that shows it off
it doesnt matter one bit
no vibration or anything in the ssd
foggy stag
The bay is screwless.
sharp blaze
@foggy hazel is the tuf B450m 3600 compatible?
foggy hazel
velcrotape it somewhere.
stoic island
Newer stock yes
foggy hazel
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/TUF-B450M-PRO-GAMING/ <- @sharp blaze
foggy stag
eh, already ordered it.
foggy hazel
reason i asked about multiple drives is that a single 5.25 bay is normally used for 4 drives.
upper condor
@sharp blaze they just got unlucky
sharp blaze
@upper condor oh?
sharp blaze
Dang they got old stock 5 days ago
upper condor
It happens
stoic island
Also, isn't the AMD offer for free CPU to update bios still a thing? @upper condor
sharp blaze
Hmmm,
stoic island
yea
foggy hazel
@sharp blaze that is because the seller doesnt have a FIFO principle in their logistics chain.
(sidenote: going to be interesting to hear what happens when we get around to the 1 year date for the bios versions with support for 3rd gen)
deep skiff
I mean you can also get that bios flash kit from amd if u provide the proof you bought them
upper condor
@wary tundra how much did you spend on your looks
wary tundra
Just rgb in general or whole build
upper condor
Rgb, cables, etc.
wary tundra
Fans were 180
Excessive liquid CPU cooler was 140 when k bought it
And my hot rgb ram was 90
And cables were 30
wary tundra
Don't matta
wary tundra
Thank you
stoic island
meh
wary tundra
I take pride in looks and performance is still there
Mr111 doesn't like rgb so it's fine
upper condor
Acquired taste
wary tundra
budget @abstract garden
abstract garden
are you asking for my budget or you saying the build is a budget build @wary tundra
wary tundra
whats your budget
deep skiff
abstract garden
Like $1300 - $1400
deep skiff
but personally i'd swap for a 5700 xt since the newest drivers fixed a decent amount of the problems
abstract garden
yeah I just wanted it to look atleast a little flashy
Ik it’s overpriced
I was going to go with the RipJaws but idk
abstract garden
I just think it’s ugly lol
upper condor
I have them actually
abstract garden
Ah does it look good in person?
wary tundra
deep skiff
:v thats some of the best ram on the market
but u could half the price if u went micron e die+mild oc for pretty good results
abstract garden
No Hard drive?
deep skiff
yeah besides the storage and maybe a better psu for the price its solid
abstract garden
Little bit more pricey however
deep skiff
i'd go with a solid 650w psu over that, cx is kinda more budget but also semi modular is kinda annoying if u want nice cables
wary tundra
I didnt know phanteks made psus
abstract garden
Corsair RMx?
deep skiff
rmx is pretty solid but might over the budget a little
wary tundra
cx can be used in any build guy
deep skiff
yeah
deep skiff
but you can also run a 2080 ti on a 450w psu, its not a great choice but it works
abstract garden
It’s not modular?
upper condor
Semi
deep skiff
its semi
abstract garden
Ahh
upper condor
The 24 pin is connected
deep skiff
yeah :/
upper condor
Everything else isnt
deep skiff
hei suggests it so its gotta be at least decent lol
wary tundra
I dont know too much about psus besides cx series
I focus more on budget builds for my friends
abstract garden
I might just stick with the RMx
deep skiff
yeah idk much about the technical side
wary tundra
I have a super nova g3 which isnt efficient
abstract garden
That’s why it is a bit pricey
wary tundra
you sticking with the Rmx?
deep skiff
anyway heres a little tweaked one https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fgtpV7
abstract garden
Probably idk
abstract garden
Yeah
wary tundra
b450f isnt the best mobo
deep skiff
tomahawk really just has vrms going for it imo
abstract garden
Yeah I had the tomahawk in but switched it for a X-570
deep skiff
the main reason everybody liked the tomahawk was cause the vrm's and the max boards, but lots ship preflashed for ryzen 3000
abstract garden
I personally like the X570 more
wary tundra
looks wise?
abstract garden
Yeah
deep skiff
shoot nvm ignore that mobo lemme find a better one real quick
wary tundra
I respect it
abstract garden
Around the same price if I am not wrong?
wary tundra
no tomahawk max better giraffe
abstract garden
giraffe? 😂
upper condor
No its not
wary tundra
thats his old name
abstract garden
ah lol
abstract garden
send the link
buoyant flame
Tuf b450 pro comes ryzen 3000 ready too and have 2 addressable headers with good sound card
wary tundra
that could work
upper condor
Read
deep skiff
a lot come preflashed btw
upper condor
R.e.a.d.
upper condor
Why? It is a fine board
wary tundra
tomahawk better lol
wary tundra
I cant read
upper condor
Ready
buoyant flame
Lol
abstract garden
Just go through bios lol
upper condor
It says Ryzen 3000 Desktop Ready
abstract garden
Should I just stick with the X570? 😂
wary tundra
sure
upper condor
Up to you
wary tundra
giraffe reads articles all day
abstract garden
lol
cursive wharf
tomahawk isnt better tho. Worse sound ship, network chip, less M2 slots, less PCIe 16x slots
upper condor
And @wary tundra, there are more things that contribute to mobo quality than vrms and price
abstract garden
Damn he is spitting factual statements
wary tundra
t o m a h a w k b e t t e r l o l
upper condor
Hei is just vibin
wary tundra
I didnt mean to say hey hei as a joke
abstract garden
I’ve been waiting to build a PC but I am waiting to get a new car first lol
upper condor
Who needs a car?
abstract garden
Just drive in rocket league or something lol
upper condor
Who needs a car when you can have this
wary tundra
giraffe remember when we got into a argument about gpus
abstract garden
Lmao 😂
wary tundra
I know the 1080ti is better I just like making you mad
upper condor
Such a nice person
upper condor
Not in workstation tasks
wary tundra
tehe
upper condor
