#building-and-recc-chat

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latent bronze
stoic island
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That looks like a pretty bad deal

cursive wharf
little osprey
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It's not too bad but realize thats from amazon

stoic island
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2400mhz ram for ryzen???

little osprey
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huh?

stoic island
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120gb boot ssd and 1tb hdd?

little osprey
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oh I see

stoic island
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Seems pretty bad in every part of the build

deft kiln
stoic island
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(Foot)

deft kiln
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is that a good build list

latent bronze
stoic island
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Can you build it yourself?

little osprey
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yeah not worth foot

deft kiln
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im building it my self

stoic island
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Because you can get much better doing it yourself

deft kiln
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ill try get better ram

little osprey
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thats 1171.78 usd

stoic island
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Oh wait

little osprey
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Thats some overpriced parts right there

deft kiln
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can a board that says itr only supports 2666 suppport 3200

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no

stoic island
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Yes

little osprey
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Yeah most of the time

deft kiln
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its on a website in aus that builds oit for yopu and that cost like 100 aud so its

latent bronze
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Go for the MSI Max boards as well since they're 3000 ready as well

deft kiln
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and that is in aus notnusd

stoic island
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My board supposedly only supports 2666mhz ram natively
I'm runnimg 3600mhz ram just fine

little osprey
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@deft kiln to usd its 1171.78

deft kiln
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bruh

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yeah

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take away 100 aus again

little osprey
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very overpriced**

stoic island
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I would just suggest going like 1tb nvme ssd if you only need about 1tb storage

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Sabrent rocket

deft kiln
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ok

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i try and modify it

little osprey
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pc restart time

deft kiln
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thabnkjs for the help

latent bronze
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Foot you can also get Windows 10 at a grey market site for like 9$

deft kiln
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ok

stoic island
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Sometimes you'll find a mobo with integrated wifi that costs less than without wifi mobo + wifi card

deft kiln
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wait is trident z rgb 3200 good

stoic island
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Might be a bit pricey, but if theres a good deal, its good ram

latent bronze
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Also for Ryzen chips for 3000 series 3200MHz is pretty much like the minimum which if you can go for 3600MHz

little osprey
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Yeah, it's good ita just if you can get it for a good price

stoic island
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See if theres Corsair vengence lpx 3200mhz

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Those should be good

little osprey
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G.skill has some good deals out right now I think

stoic island
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Oh if thats true go with it

deft kiln
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there coarsair lpx 3000

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vengance

stoic island
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3200?

deft kiln
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ill chech

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yep there is

stoic island
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Can you use pcpartpicker or no

deft kiln
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wait could i download windows without a code than but a code for cheap and get full windows

little osprey
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thats pretty epic

latent bronze
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yes you can get the installer

little osprey
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you can download windows without a a code

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You'll just have a watermark i the bottome left

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right*

little osprey
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But if you log into windows and you own it on the microsoft account, it'll activate for you

latent bronze
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I am in Canada so it will default to Canada

deft kiln
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pc part picker is more expensive because where i live in aus takes lkike 100 aud shippiung

little osprey
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australia is wacc

deft kiln
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yeah

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and thsi stroe is 16 km away from me

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also what are your opinions on the steel series m750 tkl

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because i just bought it

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and i realkly like it

stoic island
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Is there Newegg1 Newegg2 there?

little osprey
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some epic ram

stoic island
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Bc newegg has free shipping

little osprey
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It should be if not, ohhhhh boi is he in trouble

deft kiln
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wait does new egg ahve free shipping

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wait lemme check

stoic island
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Yea you just like sign up for the shop runner thing with email

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Free shippin

latent bronze
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Why are you guys also looking up 3200MHz memory when the CPU is a Ryzen 5 3600?

deft kiln
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why not

stoic island
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I think its on a bit of budget so no 3600 mhz

deft kiln
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wym

stoic island
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3600mhz more expensive. Its nice to have if you can afford it tho

little osprey
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If you have pc part picker, then uhhh I have a sort of budget pc

deft kiln
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oh ram speed ok

latent bronze
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Ryzen feeds on faster memory for better performance

deft kiln
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yeah ik

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but my budget only allows 3200 at the max

little osprey
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sent ya a different one lmao

deft kiln
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bruh it so expensive when in aus dollars

little osprey
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I mean, it's cheaper then your pc lmao

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by $300

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usd

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actually $400 I think

deft kiln
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no its because no gpu pricve can be found

little osprey
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Oh true

deft kiln
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yeah

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it like 400 morwe

little osprey
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Look at that one then

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You're going to need a cpu cooler and such

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and the hdd isn't the best lmao

old charm
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damn my pc actually takes a literal 5 minutes to power on

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that's wild

deft kiln
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tHAT LIOST doesnt look complete

little osprey
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How old is your bios?

old charm
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i have no idea but my pc is basically an infant

little osprey
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It's missing a cpu cooler thats it

old charm
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its like barely 2 weeks old

deft kiln
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really on cpu cooler

little osprey
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Uhh prebuilt or no?

deft kiln
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is it a reatail box

old charm
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it might be becuase im going from pc to tv

stoic island
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Ssd?

little osprey
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idek

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Yeah foot you can use the stock one

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but it was originally made for my friend who has a water cooled one

deft kiln
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can you guys send a pc aprt picker list that is like 1400 aud

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that is all compatible

little osprey
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Mine is...?

deft kiln
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oh yeah

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but do you ahve a nvidia one by chance

little osprey
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Why do need nvidia?

deft kiln
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i dunno why i just thinks its better

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wait how good is the one on you losat

muted dawn
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this montor good for gaming ? LG 24MK400H-B 24.0

deft kiln
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list*

little osprey
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The one that I added Is as good as a 2070 \

deft kiln
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realluy

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really

little osprey
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Mhm

stoic island
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You sure?

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5700xt is compared to 2070 and 5700 is compared to 2060 I thought

little osprey
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@muted dawn that monitor is ok, it's just 75 hz which isn't too great for fps if that what you're lookin to do

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It's a 5700

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wat

muted patio
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5700 is less than ta 2070

little osprey
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It's definately not a 2060

muted patio
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5700XT is between 2070 and 2070S

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Right, it's about a 2060 super

little osprey
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because the 5500 is a 2060

muted patio
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No

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5500 is less than 1660

deft kiln
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damn im confused now

little osprey
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oh true

muted patio
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Foot, the 5700 is a good GPU

deft kiln
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bso better thann 2070

muted patio
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Just under a 2070

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But also less money

deft kiln
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and over a 2060

muted patio
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So price per performance is good

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yes

deft kiln
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ok nice

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\

stoic island
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Nvidia has nothing comparable at that price also

little osprey
stoic island
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Its right between 1660S and like 2070/2060S

muted patio
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more like 2060

little osprey
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yeah...

stoic island
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2060 is kinda irrelevant imo

little osprey
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true

muted patio
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For RTX yes

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For every day gaming or streaming, no

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AMD's encoder on the 5700 series is poo

latent bronze
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that was the silliest thing i have seen today

muted patio
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For gaming and streaming, go nVidia 2060 or 2070

little osprey
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Gaming on a 5700xt isn't bad?

latent bronze
muted patio
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OH no, not at all!

deft kiln
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im doing lots of gaming

muted patio
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5700 is fine then

little osprey
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We already discussed I was wrong, I thought it was a better gpu

stoic island
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Streaming is where Nvidia shines

little osprey
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no need to shove my face in it

muted patio
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No no, not calling anyone wrong

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oh

latent bronze
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5500 XT is pretty much an expensive 1650 Super lol

stoic island
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I mean no one gonna point out me saying 5700 is comparable to 2060?

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I think in my mind I meant 2060S but I typed 2060

muted dawn
muted patio
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No

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2060 is correct

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2060 super is faster

stoic island
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Hecc

little osprey
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@muted dawn what games?

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fps? MMo?

stoic island
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I thought 5700 > 2060

little osprey
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same

muted dawn
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@little osprey all

muted patio
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Well, mostly

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it depends on the game

little osprey
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ok, ditch the monitor imo

deft kiln
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guys if i was on a lower budget would a 1660ti be good

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or poo[

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p

little osprey
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for fps get a 144hz @muted dawn

latent bronze
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@muted dawn you can play pretty much every game

stoic island
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Do 1660S

muted patio
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1660TI or 1660 super is a good choice for 1080p gaming on a budget

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TI is slgihtyl faster but also more expensive

stoic island
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1660s is a 1660ti but cheaper last I checked

muted dawn
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cant get 144hz monitor in my budget i think 75hz should be ok?

little osprey
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@muted dawn also get a cheap like 120 gb ssd for a boot drive

stoic island
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Maybe 120hz?

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Mike 1tb m.2 should be fine

latent bronze
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1650S is good for tight budget 1080p gaming

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60fps

little osprey
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I mean 60hz is ok, I just think it'll be annoying for later purposes

stoic island
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75hz should be ok

deft kiln
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yeah 1660 s is much cheaper and also like 2 fps lower

stoic island
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60hz is ick

muted dawn
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the monitors 75hz

deft kiln
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is 1060 better

little osprey
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also its a 1660 super is a great gpu, just kinda pricey

latent bronze
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75hz is pretty much the bare minimum

stoic island
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No

little osprey
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Yeah thats what I'm sayin but he can't afford it right now he said

deft kiln
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ok

stoic island
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1660 > 1060 last I checked

muted dawn
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1660 super cheaper than ti so i choose it instead

latent bronze
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Foot you have to overclock the 1060 by at least 20% to get the performance of my 1660 lol

deft kiln
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ok

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also if i did go intel would a 9400f or 9600k better price to performance

muted dawn
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1660 super better price for performance than ti version?

stoic island
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Yes

deft kiln
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yeah

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what about 9400f and 9600k

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i5

little osprey
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I would say get the 9600k, if you are going to overclock that is

deft kiln
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how much more perfoirmance if i get a good oc on it

latent bronze
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if you are overclocking the 9600K if not then the 9400F

stoic island
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Who knows

little osprey
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depends how high you push it

latent bronze
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9400F performance is like my Ryzen 5 2600

stoic island
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Depends on the silicon on the chip

little osprey
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Yeah

deft kiln
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ok

stoic island
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Where'd the 6 come from xD

little osprey
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Idek

latent bronze
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when 7 8 9

little osprey
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I'm having a stroke over the hissing in my ear

deft kiln
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also why does noctua have to make poop coulered fans

little osprey
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because noctua

latent bronze
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they have black fans now

deft kiln
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really

latent bronze
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yep

stoic island
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Because real PC builders will recognize their fans in a build as great fans

little osprey
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aight but anyone know anything about audio?

stoic island
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I think LTT made a video on it

little osprey
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I'm getting a hissing noise from the right ear of my headset

stoic island
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Oh nvm

little osprey
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and no audio from videos/games plays

deft kiln
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probably the headset than

little osprey
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nope

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Tried 3

deft kiln
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bruh

latent bronze
muted patio
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Eh

stoic island
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I was about to say motherboard has an audio chip integrated so

muted patio
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jack is bad

deft kiln
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i gtg

little osprey
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I tried two of my jacks

latent bronze
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but don't buy from that 3rd seller on it

deft kiln
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thanks for the hgelp

latent bronze
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The Q300L if a fine case

little osprey
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I have a Gigabyte Z390 Ultra

stoic island
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Is it a windows issue maybe? Windows update?

little osprey
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I just did lmao

stoic island
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(Roll back update?)

latent bronze
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Both cases are nice but the Q300L i would go for cause better airflow

muted patio
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Your audio isn't set to HDMI on the video card, is it?

muted dawn
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@latent bronze would it be ok to just use 1 fan? in the rear that it comes with?

little osprey
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Oh boi, lemme check lmao

latent bronze
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best to buy 2 more fans for the front to pull in cool air

stoic island
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Oh yea make sure to set stuff to output to your headphones

muted dawn
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hm

stoic island
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I accidently had discord outputting to my monitor without speakers once

little osprey
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Well I now have it through a vga connection and it hecking still happens

muted patio
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wut

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No

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Windows AUdio settings

little osprey
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and it goes to speakers

stoic island
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Alright I gotta go, good night people.

muted patio
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make sure it goes to onboard audio out

latent bronze
muted dawn
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those $60

latent bronze
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Well i am looking out for you and your system

muted dawn
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i get it but i would rather pay less for fans and have better performance i can upgrade fans in future

latent bronze
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Always think about cooling first over performance

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cause if you think performance first and not cooling you could have a system that would always shut down on you

muted dawn
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im sure the basic fans i got will be ok

muted dawn
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rip

flint eagle
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Oof

latent bronze
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Should watch Tech Yes City since he always has video's on things like cases that are very good for low costs

latent bronze
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Q300L is a good case has a full mesh front panel which is very good just you would need 2 more fans in the front for pulling in air

muted dawn
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hm

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i will have to pay like $100 for shipping

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all my pc components thats a rip

flint eagle
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I have a i5-9400f and a gta 1660 which one should I upgrade

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Gtx*

latent bronze
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Wait if Nvidia makes a GTX 17xx series

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for the CPU though if you go 10th gen you would need a new motherboard

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but the i5's will also be 6 core 12 threads as well

little osprey
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So im gettin this when i run a diagnostic

muted patio
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Why are you running a diagnostic?

little osprey
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Because pc keeps cutting off

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When put under load

muted patio
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Blue screen or just straight shut down?

little osprey
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Shut down

muted patio
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How old is it?

little osprey
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Its new

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Like 2 weeks

muted patio
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Did you build it or did someone else?

little osprey
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Build

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I built mine and its ok. And i built my friend one with the same exact parts and its having problems

muted patio
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Typically when a PC just shuts off like that it means one of two things. The CPU is overheating OR the power supply is faulty

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Check to be sure all the fans are spinning and the CPU isn't getting too hot. If that's the case, try a different power supply

little osprey
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It doesn’t register as overheating

muted patio
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How do you know?

little osprey
muted patio
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I can't read that's, it's too small

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Are you watching that while it's loaded?

little osprey
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Yea

muted patio
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What does the temperature get to?

little osprey
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Its always in between 20-30c

muted patio
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Even under a load?

little osprey
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Well it shuts down a couple minutes after its put under load

muted patio
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Right. But the temperature stays at 30C even under a load?

little osprey
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Ill test it rn

muted patio
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Do

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If the CPU gets hot, check the fan and thermal paste

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If the CPU doesn't get too hot, I'd suggest testing another power supply

little osprey
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It hit 34c and then turned off

weary tulip
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Mine did that, it was bad thermal paste spread .

little osprey
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Ill check it rn

latent bronze
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Better clean than and put new paste on before putting it back on

little osprey
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Yea ik

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But is that a good amount?

latent bronze
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Well a little bigger than a pea size dot for it to spread

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in the middle of the CPU

little osprey
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👍

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Ima do a full rebuild and switch my psu with his and see if that works

stable jetty
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i need a new motherboard, but dont know which one i should get on a buget, have i5-3470 gtx 1050 looking for somewhere $200?

dry tinsel
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i5-3470 is an ivy bridge CPU

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try like a Z77, obv used

stable jetty
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lol dame they're all in US

wet oar
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So I had the question of if the view 37 argb works with a B450 Aorus M mother board. I know it gives a listing of supported mother boards but I feel like it might be outdated and wanted to make sure before I purchase

little osprey
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Bit late - but if you wanna see your Windows experience index in win 10 - similar to how it was in 7, run

Get-CimInstance Win32_WinSat

from an elevated powershell

deft kiln
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guys is that pc partpicker pre built (list of parts) any good

little osprey
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Thank you @cursive wharf and @muted patio

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Its was indeed the psu

little osprey
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Can someone explain why running a game causes it to power off and not a stress test

cursive wharf
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Different instruction sets being used

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Try running multiple stress tests (doesn't have to be at same time)

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Probably would see it fail in one of them

latent bronze
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Unless you're sitting like 10 feet away 32" is a little much

sterile wave
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Also that's not exactly the best of gaming monitors

latent bronze
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Also the motherboard isn't up to date to support that Ryzen

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If you plan on overclocking the X470/570 are good if you don't plan on it stick with the MSI B450 Max boards

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Could still overclock but i would tend to think not that high with a B450

sterile wave
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Also if u r spending so much anyways, I would get an nvme ssd

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They are fairly cheap

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That motherboard has 2 m.2 slots

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But if u do change to a diff mobo

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I guess that would be a different story if it only has 1 slot

latent bronze
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I checked as well and for the retailer sites it says 1st and 2nd gen only

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if you looked on the Gigabyte site they would say but once you update

sterile wave
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You can look at an aoc cq32g1

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If u still want 32"

latent bronze
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And you're linking that image from where?

sterile wave
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From Amazon UK its like £30 more, similar price at laptops direct

latent bronze
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That is the point i am getting at that the manufacture could mention it but if the store doesn't have it and they have older models it wouldn't work and the board doesn't have flashback

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You would have to contact the store first to see if they would be selling the 3000 ready versions

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@little osprey Remember you asked on thoughts and i am just helping out cause you wouldn't want to buy something to find out it is not going to work

forest scarab
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Where should I go for sound card talk/assistance?

oblique karma
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Lol

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Sound blaster audigy 2

stoic island
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@little osprey NXZT h510 elite?

little osprey
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non elite

stoic island
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Ah

little osprey
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Hey guys

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I have a boneheaded friend that wants to pair a 3900x with the gigabyte x570 xtreme mb

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How do I convince him that's a waste

latent bronze
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and that is a bad thing how?

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To be honest it is your friend if he/she wants to spend that much money you should let them and see if they have regrets later

warm nova
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The xtreme is overkill for most everything, but its soooo prettty

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I am too poor that so I have the master

tight bluff
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I am so confused as to why that is that expensive

stoic island
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I mean youre the guy with a 3900x and 2080ti

tight bluff
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3950X, and 2080S.

stoic island
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Deadshot

warm nova
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well its mostly the combination of vrm and about 9 pounds of copper

stoic island
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You're clearly not strangers with spending a load of money

warm nova
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also the 10gbe chip is expensive

tight bluff
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I would understand price differences but honestly not 3x/3.5x another decent X570, I had no idea it costed that much

warm nova
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those aquantia add in cards are about $90 alone. The 16 phase vrm is quite expensive as well

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the xtreme the godlike and that asrock aqua board are all stupid expensive

static lichen
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So I just got a powercolor rx 5700 xt red devil, and I was wondering if anyone knows if it would come with a display port cable. (Since I am going to be running a 1440p 144hz build.) Or would I have to buy that separately?

round flare
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it should tell you what's in the box

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on the site

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yeah it doesn't say it has any cables

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monitors typically come with hdmi

fleet talon
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Which would be better? CORSAIR iCUE 220T RGB Airflow or Phanteks P400a?

timid nacelle
tight bluff
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Little bit more probably. Its hard to tell from the pic but it looks like that pea is very flat

timid nacelle
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Ok

tight bluff
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Cant actually tell how tall that blob is

timid nacelle
tight bluff
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Oh yeah Id say thats about enough.

timid nacelle
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Ok

earnest olive
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thinking about making this my first build, does anyone see any glaring issues with the parts list?

tight bluff
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Share the pcpp link

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Cant see anything with my old eyes.

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Private list

earnest olive
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whoops

tight bluff
earnest olive
tight bluff
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The Thicc 5700 XT is regarded as really just there for the memes

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The powercolour red devil and sapphire pulse seem to be the best 5700 XTs.

tight bluff
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Judging by the link, yes.

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If you dont want to pay the extra for the red devil

earnest olive
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hmm $4 difference

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red devil is $34 more

tight bluff
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The 660p is a reasonable m.2 drive at that price but theres better for the same price-ish

earnest olive
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is there? i couldn't find any

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that are 1 tb nvme anyways

tight bluff
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I'm not sure about the sabrent rocket's current US availability.

earnest olive
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$120 on amazon

tight bluff
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Crucial P1 is pretty good Ive heard.

earnest olive
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that one's cheaper

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is it also QLC?

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ok google says it is

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unsurprising

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but yeah looks good

elfin remnant
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Monitor is va panel, slower response time.

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Id find one with a tn panel

earnest olive
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says 1 ms

tight bluff
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I know very little to nothing about monitors. Listen to someone else on that.

earnest olive
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i dont see any TN panels touting below 1ms

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that aren't really expensive

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the ones that have 0.4-0.5ms response time are $275-400

elfin remnant
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Other than it being va, it dosent seem to have vesa compatibility so if you ever wanted to replace the stand, for verticatily or somethong but it looks like a good build

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Heres the montior i ised for a long time, had two of em

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Its not sub 1ms but its near the current monitors price

earnest olive
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i don't have experience but from some quick googling i've gathered that VA panels generally have slower response time than TN, but have better color correctness and visual quality

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but if this VA panel has 1ms then it should be ok no?

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there are some TN panels with 165hz around the same price point, but if VA has noticeably better visuals i'm fine with sacrificing that 21hz

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i've never seen the difference in person though

elfin remnant
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Yeah htose are just 144hz panels oc to 165

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I couldnt tell you the differnce ive never seen the monitor on you list in person

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The only thing i see "bad about the monitor" is there no mounting point so you cant change stands if the stock one dosent fit you need

earnest olive
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i really hope these promos/rebates stay for a while i have to sell off some old laptops to fund it lol

elfin remnant
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lol

earnest olive
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i am trying to find out if the monitor's height is adjustable

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cause the pictures look like it

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i think if the height is adjustable then it's fine that i can't change stands

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ahh it's not

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but it does say the stand can be removed

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alright well thanks for all the help guys

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😄

strange garden
#

Anyone have any experience with omen PC’s found what I think is a pretty good deal but was wondering if any things to look out for when buying a used PC and possibly some upgrade ideas to increase performance a bit. It’s all this for $1000

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It included the monitor which is a 1080p 4ms 60hz monitor which I know isn’t great but not bad

stark siren
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the omens are soso and kinda over priced you could build a better pc for that price and prolly get a better monitor

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its HP if that helps ....

stoic island
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@strange garden see if you can get the deal without that monitor, the pc n stuff is good for the price, but that monitor is like absolute garbage

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60hz is bad to begin with, 4ms seals the deal

little osprey
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Its a good deal

stoic island
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@strange garden do you know which specific omen is in the listing? It could be a different omen model

little osprey
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if he's selling that computer, with a monitor keyboard headset and such, good deal

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yeah true

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Specifics would be epic, because he could have swapped parts also

stoic island
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Yea

oblique karma
stark siren
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thats not bad

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do you have an AMD gpu ?

oblique karma
#

Negative

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1080 ti

stoic island
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Pass

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27 inch doesnt look great on 1080p

stark siren
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freesync AMD so yeah pass

oblique karma
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Yeahhh

stoic island
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I have a 24inch 144hz monitor that I got for 180, and you can get something similar for less

oblique karma
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I went with Dell - 24" LED QHD G-SYNC Monitor - Black

stark siren
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1080 is 1080 on any screen you get its not going to change on how it looks unless you just get a crappy monitor 27in is fine

oblique karma
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I found it for 200

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And added 4 year protection

stoic island
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Majin, 1080p on a 27inch monitor is going to have less pixel density, therefore induvidual pixels would be more visiable than on a 24inch monitor

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Because 1080p is the same amount of pixels on either monitor

little osprey
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Thats an expensive monitor lmao

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I mean its a good monitor just I believe it's overkill and expensive, but if you got the cash man. Go for it

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Oh wait you got it $200 no thats great lmao

oblique karma
#

What

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Lol

stoic island
#

Yea 200$ for 1440p 144hz pretty great

oblique karma
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It was an open box

little osprey
#

I say it on new egg for $400 and that what I assumed you paid for it but nah you said $200 lmao

stoic island
#

Wegg wegg

little osprey
#

Good find

oblique karma
#

I still want the benq

stoic island
#

Get the dell

oblique karma
#

Yeah it’s ordered

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Now I’m super poor

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But I’ll finally not be complaining about something on my rig

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I’ve been very slow to piece meal everything one by one.

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I had the 1080 with an i5 3570k

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And like cpu intensive games

stoic island
#

I would've loved to have found that deal when I built my thing :p

oblique karma
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I’m so ready to play on it. But its like another week before I’ll even get to rebuild

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I have somewhat complex build

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Inte to amd

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And 2 separate installs

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One for play and one for work

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Separate SSDs as well

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It’s gonna be “fun”

stoic island
#

I would love to build PCs for a living

oblique karma
#

I did that already.

stoic island
#

I haven't seen anywhere that does that tho

oblique karma
#

Local computer shops

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They are dying breed

stoic island
#

Yea...

oblique karma
#

You should’ve seen the shop I ran before I got there.

stoic island
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Who knows, maybe I'll find a job at like orgin one day

oblique karma
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They had computers line out to one side to the other.

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Estimated time was like 3 weeks before first response and planned resolution

little osprey
#

I just picked up the NVIDIA 2060S. I’m new to building but I’ve heard a lot of good about it? Anyone got any thoughts or opinions on it?

stoic island
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Sinced you picked it up, we cant suggest 5700xt to you now :p

little osprey
#

oof

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Yeah I guess it’s a bit late for that

stoic island
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Nvidia is nvidia, they do things good, just a lil high price

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You didnt get a blower style one right

little osprey
#

Yeah, the 2060S was expensive but what can you do. It was slightly better than the 5700, and the 2080 was WAYYY too much.

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Let me check.

stoic island
#

Blower GPUs tend to be pretty trash

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5700xt should be a bit cheaper and better perf than 2060s

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I have a 3 fan 2070, because it looks nice

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2 fans on it is enough

little osprey
#

This is what it looks like

stoic island
#

Looks fine

little osprey
#

That’s good

stoic island
#

Fair warning, dont expect great rtx performance from it

little osprey
#

Yeah I was checking the benchmarks ok it

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Apparently RTX slows the frame rate by quite a bit

stoic island
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It'll be fine but usually you would want like a 2070s for high frames doing rtx

little osprey
#

I see

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Yeah I’m probably not going to use RTX too much except on games like Metro Exodus

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Games that utilize it

stoic island
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I mean theres only a few games that use it

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Like metro exodus

strange garden
#

It’s a bundle deal, but worst case I’ll sell the monitor and buy a different one. I’m waiting for her to send me the system info to verify the parts are correct

outer sun
#

I'm new to PC building, I just built my first one with a R5 3600x and 5700xt. The 5700xt has it's RGB on, and its fans initially spin up on boot, but they immediately stop, and the card is not detected by Windows

stoic island
#

??

muted patio
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not detected but displays video?

stoic island
#

Does it say generic display adapter?

muted patio
#

Fans stopping is normal, they only spin up when it gets to XX temperature

outer sun
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yes, generic display adapter

stoic island
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(You might need drivers)

muted patio
#

You installed the AMD drivers?

stoic island
#

Its detected then, you just need drivers.

outer sun
#

How would I find the correct drivers and everything

muted patio
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choose your card

outer sun
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lol okay

muted patio
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and OS

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And hit download

stoic island
#

I did smth wierd when I did it

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I went to change adapter settings or whatever, update drivers, and search online for drivers

#

Not at my pc, but something similar to that lol

muted patio
#

Eh, that gets the driver only, not the full package from the manufacturer

outer sun
#

also, games wont run above like 1 FPS

muted patio
#

Of course

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you have no drivers

outer sun
#

just making sure

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my bad

stoic island
#

Ya

muted patio
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No worries

stoic island
#

Idk, but does AMD have something like nvidia experience?

muted patio
#

Yes

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You get it when you download from their site.

stoic island
#

Or geforce experience, forgot the name

stark siren
#

At that differnce in size though you will almost not see the differnce I get there is a density difference but I have a 29 inch ultra wide at 1080 and it looks fabulous. A 1440 would look better but it as long as you like it thats what matters

muted patio
little osprey
#

Which brand is better for processors these days? Ryzen, or Intel Core?

muted patio
#

Depends

little osprey
#

I’ve heard that Ryzen is slightly better

muted patio
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Multi core loads, AMD. Single core performance and gaming, Intel has a slight edge

little osprey
#

Hmm

muted patio
#

Also depends on your price point

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AMD is cheaper

stoic island
#

Intel is better PURE gaming

little osprey
#

I chose the Ryzen 3600x for my build. It was not too expensive and had a better cooler than the standard 3600.

muted patio
#

SLightly higher base clock also

little osprey
#

That’s right!

stoic island
#

I wanted a 3600x during black friday

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Sadly sold out :(

little osprey
#

They’re in that high of demand? Sheesh!

stoic island
#

Thats why I went with 3800x

little osprey
stoic island
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I mean when 3600x is the same price as 3600, the demand is gonna be sky high

little osprey
#

Ooooh now I see why

stoic island
#

Tbh amd boxes dont show which cpu it is

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Less flexin with the box

little osprey
#

Yeah they all look similar

stoic island
#

I have 2 ryzen 7 processors and the boxes are the same

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Just a small label

little osprey
#

I guess it’s a 6 core

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Not really sure what that means, as I said I’m new.

stoic island
#

Ryzen 7 is 8 cores

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Ryzen 5 is 6 cores

little osprey
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I wasn’t sure how much more it is

stoic island
#

Well, I upgraded from a 2700 to a 3800x, and the boxes stayed the same

fossil hedge
strange garden
#

What tests should I run to make sure everything works right if I’m buying a used PC

muted patio
#

benchmarks

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AIDA64 and Unengine Heaven for the GPU

polar holly
#

run both for a decent length idealy 30-60 mins

calm marsh
#

Is there really a free PC build simulator?

stoic island
#

Idk

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Pc building simulator isnt free

topaz quiver
#

i mean u do have pcpartpicker

stoic island
#

(The game isnt free)

topaz quiver
#

i know the game but still

#

idk

eager chasm
#

PC part picker will just let you make a list and tell you it it should work 😛

stark siren
#

@little osprey you have to have intake on the pc to bring cooler air into the case or you create a negative pressure and the ambient temps will never go down and will cause issue with over heating, second if you dont want to see the stickers then place the fans on the outside blowing into through the rad then you see no stickers

old charm
#

is it normal for components in a build to not power on all at the same time?

stoic island
#

If there is a slight delay, it should be fine

little osprey
#

I mean like, it shouldn't do that still lmao

#

maybe faulty cable?

stoic island
#

Well sometimes some things take a sec to start up idk tho

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My fans start up a second after rgb lights up

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My mouse lights up few seconds before my keyboard does

old charm
#

i don't know if that's actually what's happening

stoic island
#

Describe plz

old charm
#

my tv keeps showing no input when i have my hdmi plugged in

#

hang on

#

match starting

little osprey
#

is your gpu fully plugged in, is it screwed in? and is it sagging at all?

old charm
#

yes yes and it was but not anymore

#

the guy at teh cpu store actually fixed it for me

little osprey
#

Okok cool

#

Does it have a dvi port?

old charm
#

I wanna say it does

little osprey
#

and do you have a dvi cable

old charm
#

I have it plugged into HDMI

#

that I don't know

stoic island
#

Have you tested your cable to make sure its good

little osprey
#

^

stoic island
#

Like plug it into a laptop or smth and see if you get a signal

round river
#

I have a ryzen 2200g + rx 570. It plays VR just fine, but when I start screen recording, my fps drops. Do I need to upgrade my cpu or gpu?

stoic island
#

Cpu

old charm
#

i am using the one from my ps4

#

so i know it works

#

the reason I asked is because I think my graphics card powers on a little after everything else

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which causesit to not power on

#

I should have mentioned the logo flashes on the screen like it is coming on and then it flickers off to "no signal"

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which would support my theory of the graphics card not being booted up/awake

#

but it's super weird to me

stoic island
#

I mean like monitors usually have their logo flash even without signal

old charm
#

no

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my motherboard logo

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like the company

#

that's why its weird

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cuz i know its coming on but its just an issue wit the display

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which is why i thought it was the graphics card not powering on right away

dry tinsel
#

@sudden turret did you just show an FX-8320 in #build-pics

#

😂

oblique karma
#

What’s the go to m.2 drive for operating system?

#

Looking for something small on the cheap

dry tinsel
#

small as in 240GB then

oblique karma
#

Yessum

#

And for the os would it even matter if it’s gen4 vs 3?

#

I don’t think it would as all of the binaries in the memory that should be loaded are on my storage drive.

stoic island
#

Sabrent rocket

dry tinsel
#

yeah was about to say

stoic island
#

Is nice and cheap nvme and good

dry tinsel
#

i'm going to get a sabrent rocket probably

#

and don't get the Q

#

it's a QLC drive with dynamic SLC cache

#

which means you hit about 50% full and it starts degrading performance

stoic island
#

I like the corsair mp510 but its more expensive than the sabrent rocket

oblique karma
#

Thanks y’all.

#

Doing more research on this

#

After much research I’ve decided on this one...

#

Based solely on looks alone.

dry tinsel
#

lol

#

it sure does look like a winner

stoic island
#

What

#

Why

#

Looks like a cheap offbrand

dry tinsel
#

come on that label

#

it reminds me of computer parts from about 2000

#

GPUs and sound cards used to be packaged with art like that and like, blue and green gradients

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i think this company warped to the present from 20 years ago

oblique karma
#

I bet they print that sticker out on a zebra printer

#

Or dymo

sudden turret
#

@dry tinsel yes, it's my kids build

dry tinsel
#

nice

#

i liked the FX series

#

at the time they were affordable and powerful despite their flaws

#

it was only toward the end that they just got bad

latent bronze
#

That M.2 looks like something i would order on Ebay shipped from hong kong that has like a samsung package lol

dry tinsel
#

lol

#

but i feel like you could build something on an FX still if you wanted a PC for limited purposes

#

to play certain games, etc

oblique karma
#

Like a raspberry pi

#

But 1000x larger

#

What you want to do on it?

elfin remnant
#

I will @little osprey

#

What is the main purpose

latent bronze
#

Most games you can max out without any problems at 1080p and high to very high settings at 1440p

elfin remnant
#

But streaming will mean you will lose some in game performance

latent bronze
#

If you live near a microsenter you could use a R5 1600 instead

#

I stream with a GTX 1660 and i don't notice any performance drops

elfin remnant
#

Really, with high settings on 1440p

#

Not bad

vivid atlas
#

If I were you I would get a 240 GB SSD and a better processor

elfin remnant
#

For os, if you have access to another computer you can proly find a grey market windows key, but i didnt tell you that

vivid atlas
#

That’s my opinion though

latent bronze
#

My cousin right now is using a Ryzen 5 1400 with a GTX 1050 Ti able to play Apex on high settings without any problems

#

He could get a 1600 but only if he is close to a microsenter

elfin remnant
#

Or go with a sata drive

dry tinsel
#

i won a windows key from a blog that's been giving them away

elfin remnant
#

Link

glad hemlock
#

question, do i need a hard drive to even get bios to display?

latent bronze
#

going in the bios you don't need a drive

vivid atlas
#

A smaller Sata boot drive could be a way to spend less on an SSD and buy a better CPU

glad hemlock
#

darn. Was sort of hoping that was my problem. Waiting on that to arrive lol

#

Tried redoing the ram and power cables

latent bronze
#

Also there are people that would like to install the more demanding games on their SSD and still have room

glad hemlock
#

everything seems to be up and running though

#

hardware wise i mean

vivid atlas
#

Yup, I guess it’s personal preference

latent bronze
#

which is why i slapped in a 512gb

dry tinsel
#

https://www.myofficetricks.com/christmas-giveaway-windows-10-pro-product-key-for-free/ they are giving away legitimate keys and if you win the key you can post a screenshot to them on twitter and they should reply with another

From now on, we will provide 2 free Windows 10 Pro product keys per working day, which requires you to install Windows 10 Pro at first. Each code will be 25-character long, with 1-2 characters been…

elfin remnant
#

How this for a bugdet system?

#

a little over budget

dry tinsel
#

looks good though

#

my machine is quickly getting over budget

vivid atlas
#

It seems good

elfin remnant
#

Yeah im working to tone it down

latent bronze
#

Case i wouldn't use

#

Looks just like the Cooler Master Masterbox 5 as well

vivid atlas
#

The 1660S is cheaper but also slightly slower

#

Could swap the case for a Rosewill Cullinan ATX mid

latent bronze
#

I had that list cause i was also helping someone out yesterday which is a perfect system to play most games out there maxed out for 1080p

#

Also the Spectra would be better for cooling

vivid atlas
#

Yep indeed

vivid atlas
#

Didn’t see that, yep that’s a big +

latent bronze
vivid atlas
#

Ecks made a list for you above Crippled

latent bronze
#

the 30$ you would have left you could get the 30+ games on Humble Bundle

#

fixed the link

vivid atlas
#

30 games for 30 bucks ?

elfin remnant
#

Just ryin to get a good buget 600 700 dollar build so when people ask i have it

latent bronze
vivid atlas
#

Isn’t the Pro4 motherboard better ?

elfin remnant
#

Damn forgot to change the motherboard back

latent bronze
#

240gb is fine but he would still need later on another SSD for those demanding loading games

vivid atlas
#

Yep plus 10 bucks extra is fine honestly I wouldn’t cheap out too hard on the mobo

latent bronze
#

Also one of the other main reasons i went for a M.2 is for a cleaner look

vivid atlas
#

M.2 is way better for aesthetics

#

Less cables😅

latent bronze
#

Well performance as well depends on what you're doing

vivid atlas
#

Thanks for the bundle link btw

elfin remnant
latent bronze
#

Also never know if he would plan on making YouTube content cause a lot of streamers later become YouTube content creators so having a NVMe would help for editing

vivid atlas
#

Unfortunately the bundle isn’t permanently on the site

elfin remnant
#

Yeah id save the extra 50 bucks for a good nvme drive

latent bronze
#

one i linked in the list is actually very good

vivid atlas
#

Btw, I’m planning to get the EVGA card ? Is it a good option

#

What would be the best 1660s

latent bronze
#

EVGA is the best option when going Nvidia

elfin remnant
#

^

latent bronze
#

close second is Zotac

vivid atlas
#

It’s my first nvidia card

#

Alright I’ll get that EVGA card

elfin remnant
#

Im buying a rog strix 2070 s cause rgb

latent bronze
#

Zotac is one of the few companies i have seen make a tiny card with 2 fans on it

#

I don't bother with RGB on cards unless the case has a vertical mount

#

Also that bundle is all steam games

vivid atlas
#

Will GPU prices decrease in 2020 ?

elfin remnant
#

Lol mine dosent i made the mistake of getting h510i and im to lazy to change cases

stoic island
#

Prices on older hardware will always decrease unless something like mining pops up again

vivid atlas
#

Changing cases can be annoying lol

#

Yes for sure

elfin remnant
#

The h510 has terrrrrible airflow

vivid atlas
#

I’ll wait a bit for the 1660s and see then

latent bronze
elfin remnant
#

Im excited for the 3000 series

vivid atlas
#

I have a phanteks evolv x and I like it

elfin remnant
#

The h510i has great cable mangment tho

vivid atlas
#

Honestly I don’t mind having a normal sized card, my case is pretty big

elfin remnant
#

Yeah, i need room for the cooler for the 3950x im buying lol, so might as well get a normal sized card

vivid atlas
#

3950x is a beast 😮

elfin remnant
#

When its in stockAngeryEgg

vivid atlas
#

$243 for the EVGA card in South Korea where I live

elfin remnant
#

Not bad

latent bronze
#

Unless you're doing things like video editing and such the 3950X is pretty pointless for just gaming

vivid atlas
#

That’s decent prices are so high here

#

Yep for sure

#

Honestly a 3600 is enough IMO just for gaming

#

It’s solid

latent bronze
#

10th gen i core series would be a lot better when they come out

#

cause the i3 will be killer

#

First time you're going to see a i3 with 4 cores and 8 threads

elfin remnant
#

@latent bronze I do a little bit of rendering work so im exticted to see a preformace boost

latent bronze
#

i5 6 core 12 threads and i7 8 core 16 threads

elfin remnant
#

But still a 3950x is way overkill but why not

vivid atlas
#

That’s a nice comeback for intel

latent bronze
#

it will be 14nm++ but i don't think many would care at this point

elfin remnant
#

Yeah lol

latent bronze
#

Would be funny if the i3 performance in gaming would be on par with a 3600 lol

vivid atlas
#

$750 for a 3950x on bestbuy

elfin remnant
#

rip amd

#

Yeah but its not in stock

vivid atlas
#

O ok

latent bronze
#

AMD would still have the advantage for things like the Ryzen 9 cause of it being cheaper

vivid atlas
#

What’s up zak

latent bronze
#

which is why i tend to think i3 and i5 will be killers

elfin remnant
#

The balls in intels court

vivid atlas
#

i3 is 4 core 8 thread ?

latent bronze
#

yes

vivid atlas
#

Hmmm

#

Any estimated prices for the i5 ?

latent bronze
#

i5 prices would be like the norm and people are assuming the i3's will be 125$ to 150$

vivid atlas
#

Oh ok

latent bronze
#

cause there will be 3 to 4 i3's

vivid atlas
#

That’s fine for intel prices

latent bronze
#

one of them of course being a K model

vivid atlas
#

When are they dropping ?

latent bronze
#

Supposed to be in January

vivid atlas
#

I’m guessing AMD prices will drop at least a little when intel releases

#

That’s very soon

#

Nice

latent bronze
#

Could be in early February

stoic island
#

They might not need to ThinkingEgg

latent bronze
#

@stoic island If lets say the i3 10100 ends up being 125$ and performs similar to the R5 3600 they would need to drop the price

stoic island
#

But if it doesnt

vivid atlas
#

That would be a dream for me

stoic island
#

Which I believe it wouldn't

latent bronze
#

Remember there are certain games that has better Intel support

vivid atlas
#

The 3600 is a decent upgrade from a 2600

latent bronze
#

Look at Destiny 2 being the recommended is a i5 2400 or a R5 1600

#

that is a huge gap

cursive wharf
#

Dont see the i3 10100 going up against 3600

#

locked 4c/8t

elfin remnant
#

No way it will compare

vivid atlas
#

It is a locked processor yeah

latent bronze
#

There are a lot of people that doesn't overclock really

cursive wharf
#

sure you got some Intel optimization, but that doesnt always come to be the case

#

Also there really wasnt a Zen+ 4c/8t CPU till 3400g

#

So 2600 was probably lowest end that was available

oblique karma
#

@latent bronze - great, now I’m going to go cancel my Ryzen 7 order

latent bronze
#

Well right now we could only assume until there is actual tests out there

stoic island
#

Yes

vivid atlas
#

You could wait a little to buy your R7 if the Intel CPUs really drop in January/Feb

#

And if the prices really do drop

#

But we’ll have to see

latent bronze
#

Anyways ill brb going across the street to order pizza before Mike's stream

cursive wharf
#

There is always "you can wait"
Wait till new Intel CPUs, till new AMD CPUs then, and so on

oblique karma
#

That’s why I haven’t updated in 6 years

stoic island
#

Wait till AM5 and ddr5

oblique karma
#

I hate this

#

It’s like a stick on the end of a stick

elfin remnant
#

Just buy it, its not like its going to preform poorly

cursive wharf
#

^

elfin remnant
#

We are at a point where it seems the amount of preformance gained with every new launch is less and less. A 3000 series R7 is gonna do you good

cursive wharf
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As GN puts it, 'Are you happy with what you have now? If not then are you going to be happy with what you're buying? If so then buy it' (not exact quote but similair)

vivid atlas
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He’s right

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But you need to know if what you’re going to buy is really going to make you happy

vestal cove
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What do you guys think of this build

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I think I’ll get all the parts except the gpu

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I’ll wait till the price drops

stoic island
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Water cooling on a 200$cpu ..?

vivid atlas
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That AIO looks hella nice though

elfin remnant
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yeahhh, kinda overkill

vestal cove
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Yep

elfin remnant
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any reason you are goning with intel at this point

vestal cove
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Ima be overclocking too

elfin remnant
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im time

vestal cove
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I like Intel better than amd

dry tinsel
stoic island
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You can get a 512gb nvme drive for like 10$ more if you're interested

vivid atlas
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And you could get a 2060S from an actual manufacturer instead of the NVIDIA version of it

stoic island
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"I think I’ll get all the parts except the gpu"

vivid atlas
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Oops my bad

elfin remnant
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If your going intel it might be worth it to wait for the 10000 series in January

little osprey
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thats going to be big expense

elfin remnant
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What do you mean

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@little osprey

little osprey
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Ok, well no need to ping me but It's going to be more expensive

elfin remnant
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Intel is going to have to drop prices fo the new prosccers to compete with AMD. I mean we already saw it with the 10980xe

little osprey
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I mean yeah, but c'mon. It's intel

elfin remnant
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Yeah, but i think hes accepting the team blue tax by choosing intel lol. Im just saying it might be worth to see what happens. If it ends up being a flop get the one he has

little osprey
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idk, I just say wait until 10th gen comes out, and get a 9th gen :/

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because the prices will drop, and I mean the i7 9700k is like $330 on best buy of all places

latent bronze
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Ok i am back with a extra large pepperoni and banana pepper pizza

oblique karma
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Nice flex

little osprey
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banana pepper 😩

latent bronze
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It isn't that spicy

little osprey
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I need more banana peppers in my life

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wym? I never said it was

oblique karma
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I’m going WFPB Jan 1

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I’ll be eating all dem peppers

latent bronze
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Well i am not sharing

little osprey
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b u t w h y

latent bronze
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I know this is going to sound strange but if the i3 10100 performs better than my R5 2600 i am going back to Intel

little osprey
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ngl, I think it wont

vestal cove
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I’m not gonna be ordering things till like mid January

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I’m on Vacations

stoic island
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If it does I would wait 2 generations then switch

cursive wharf
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@vestal cove Intel is overpriced tho. 3600 and 5700XT combo for fair bit cheaper and perf is better

vestal cove
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I like overpriced things

little osprey
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I mean I just say get 9th gen when 10th gen comes out

stoic island
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Since next gen AMD is just Zen 2+

cursive wharf
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9600k is already starting to see worse 1% lows compared to 3600 and that will only continue to grow in more games

vestal cove
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Yah I’ll probably get 9th gen when 10th gen comes out

little osprey
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Because if it's like what happened with amd, I don't see an issue picking up a 9th gen for a cheaper price lmao

latent bronze
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Why get 9th if 10 is going to be so much better

little osprey
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Price?

vestal cove
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Cheaper

cursive wharf
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lol

latent bronze
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i5's will be 6 core 12 thread remember

cursive wharf
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price doesnt change

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for Intel

little osprey
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It will

latent bronze
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Hei it does just not enough to notice

little osprey
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They now have competition they'll drop

cursive wharf
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go take a look at the 6/7/8/9 series

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It's barely anything

elfin remnant
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You putting alot of faith in intel

little osprey
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I mean look at the i7 9700k, it has dropped quite a bit

elfin remnant
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Tru

little osprey
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and yes I am, Because this competition pressure is going to make them drop prices

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If they don't its a dumb marketing move that will cost them more

cursive wharf
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Once a new series comes out Intel basically abandons the old gen

little osprey
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how so?

cursive wharf
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nth gen comes out, (n-1)th gen drops like $10 in price till stock dies, then raises $50+ in price

little osprey
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?

vestal cove
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^

little osprey
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the 8700k has only gotten cheaper if thats what you're implying

cursive wharf
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by an okay amount, but is only $10 difference to current gen

little osprey
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no?

stoic island
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I mean previous gen intel haven't had to deal with AMD Zen 2

little osprey
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exactly

stoic island
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They were just sitting on top

cursive wharf
little osprey
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it's a marketing thing

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they want you to get the better cpu for around the same price

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All it is; is that amd stepped up and put pressure on them, they are going to start dropping prices soon

cursive wharf
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Intels old prices will only stick close to their new prices. So 9th gen and 8th gen will only be like $25 cheaper than 10th gen

little osprey
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8th gen will probably be $125 cheaper then 10th gen maybe

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You're exaggerating a little too much there

cursive wharf
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pretty sure 8th gen will be EOL soon

little osprey
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I highly doubt that but believe what ya want

cursive wharf
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Dont see the 7700k being priced well so I doubt Intel will manage 3 separate series at once

little osprey
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I'm sure their marketing team will figure it out, I'm sure the 7th gen will be pretty cheap compared to how it was

vestal cove
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You guys have been going on with this debate forever

little osprey
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It's been about 15 mins lmao, pretty lengthy

cursive wharf
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7700k is 8700k price, 7600k is 8600k price, etc

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It's been a long time now

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if 7th gen prices were being managed, they'd be changed by now

little osprey
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It's not like they just forget about them, it's that they are probably more focused on something else