building-and-recc-chat

[bitter mason]

I have a 1070 but not ti

I think...

[tough matrix]

1000 series was fire

every single model, even the shittiest ones

[bitter mason]

okay ya 1070

[glossy narwhal]

I have a psi with 600watts

[tough matrix]

at least good

[tough matrix]

model please

i had a buddy who had a PSU thats 850 but literally caught fire if you drew more than 500

[bitter mason]

600w might be low but in most instances should be fine

[glossy narwhal]

Prestige

[tough matrix]

prestiege what

[glossy narwhal]

That’s the name

[bitter mason]

1000 series was great

[tough matrix]

Apevia ATX-PR600W Prestige

[bitter mason]

I was collecting crappy 1080tis at one point

still dunno why lol

[glossy narwhal]

Also has apivia on the box

[bitter mason]

except for the 16xx lol

[tough matrix]

apevia prestiege

[glossy narwhal]

Ye

[tough matrix]

nah man

i got 12 friends with 1650 supers

that card is still going strong

[bitter mason]

okay fair. The only 16xx I used was in my laptop & it only sucked cuz the cooling for it was so horrible

[tough matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/kuze-kuze-yakuza-yakuza-0-kuze-qte-kuze-last-qte-gif-12268881232292490313

1650 super vs darktide in its prime unoptimized state

30-45 fps gaming

[glossy narwhal]

Ima go to micro center I’m so confused

[bitter mason]

I got a GTX780 the other day for like $45 with shipping

sad it's so old I can't find a waterblock for it tho

[tough matrix]

make your own

strap 2 water bottles

[bitter mason]

I have the universal one

[tough matrix]

1 hose

and a fan

[bitter mason]

I used the universal one to benchmark my GTX970 HOF

[tough matrix]

also this game was so unoptimized

somehow i got more fps

upscaling to 4k

than being on 1440p

???

[bitter mason]

had to put little copper heatsinks on it for memory lol

I think upscaling to 4k often uses 1080p as the render resolution?

[tough matrix]

maybe

still

flits shucked

[bitter mason]

those heatsinks are still on it cuz I didn't think it through enough

I'm worried if I try to take them off, one or more memory ICs will come too

[tough matrix]

looks very silly

[bitter mason]

got the job done lol

[icy hull]

I think that would be performance mode.

[snow dragon]

yes

[gentle pollen]

If you had the option to choose a case color for a case where the visible interior will be the Radiator, Vertical GPU, and some other stuff like say a PSU cage, and fans, would you rather choose:

• A (all white case)

• B (all black case)

• C (White top/bottom panels with Black left/right/front/rear panels)

• D (Black top/bottom, White left/right/front/rear panels)

[crisp sun]

oooo

I'm down to ask that in a poll sometime soon.

I'd say all white for me.

[gentle pollen]

Please do. I am curious because I am designing a PC case for travelling and I plan to make it a product.

It will fit within Airline Carry-On standards.

[crisp sun]

whoaaaaa

WHAT

AIRLINE CARRYON STANDARDS????

BRUH

[fallen sphinx]

doesnt the SSUPD meshroom do that

[gentle pollen]

Current design enables mATX board, 6.5 slot thick gpus (vertical) up to 155mm tall, and two 480mm rads with a SFX or SFX-L psu.

[gentle pollen]

Sort of. The base size yes, but with add-ons for larger rad and gpu support quickly make it only work with some airlines.

[fallen sphinx]

im looking at airline standards and carry ons can have like 40-45l

[gentle pollen]

A lot of airlines require it to be within 45 linear inches and that it fits within a standardized L-W-H size.

[frigid edge]

SMUGGLE OPERATION MUHAHHAAA

[fallen sphinx]

oh

ic

[gentle pollen]

The meshroom with add-ons is within 45 linear inches but does not fall within the L-W-H standards that a lot of international flights enforce.

What got me to do this is having had my computer damaged on 3 separate accounts by the Luggage crew, paying check-in fees, over-weight fees, and having to prep the PC for travel every time

So instead I am making a case that can be ready for travel within a few minutes that fits within carry-on standards without sacrificing performance.

[void mango]

ummmm i accidently spilled coke on my mechchanical keyboard, help xD

[weary galleon]

Unplug it, clean it (ideally with isopropyl alcohol if possible), let it dry completely before using again

[void mango]

it suddenly went black with no rgb, caps lock light and logo still shows up but keys dont work, imma clean it up with alcohol

[stoic island]

You may need to open it up completely and wipe off the pcb itself

[void mango]

if it doesnt work ig its time to invest in wooting 🥀 as a new keyboard

probably yeah

[void mango]

i opened it up to the pcb and unscrewed everything, i can clean one back side of the pcb but not the keys side

it doesnt come out

[tough matrix]

i broke 3 mechanical keyboards in under a year and got sick of how fragile they were

drop of water touched it, dead

keys randomly not working

and the last one just died for no reason

so i bought this https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-920-002478-K120-USB-Keyboard/dp/B003ELVLKU

got it on sale at bestbuy for 10 dollars

and now ive been using it for nearly 10 years

i once accidentally spilt an entire glass of dr pepper on it

wiped it down with a paper tower with water on it

worked 5 minutes later no problems

not even sticky

i could probably beat someone to death with this thing, put the popped out keys back in

and it would be fine

[stoic island]

membrane will be more resistant to spilling stuff on it

[void mango]

id definitely use one if i wasnt a gamer and just used my pc for typing

well thanks everyone for the help

i gave it an alcohol bath and dried it and it works now i think

time to put all the keys back 🥀

[tough matrix]

i am a gamer :C

[void mango]

well membrane is good for most games but not competitive sadly :C

[tough matrix]

i mean i did fine when i used to play cs and tf2 but i never was the best of the best

didnt blame the keyboard

idk what rank you are in whatever comp game you play but if you just play them for fun membrane is fine

if its your job then yeah mechanical

but if you're just another gamer the keyboard isnt the problem

[void mango]

well yeah but i got ocd lol i cant relax unless i know everything in my setup is as perfect as possible like im the same when it comes to sound quality especially :C

[cinder gulch]

Hey everyone, have a question here. NEWEGG had a promotion for this past holiday season on an MSI Powersupply I purchased that is supposed to come with a $30 steam code. I finally got an email response back from MSI basically saying they ran out and it was a while supplies last situation and offered an international one that after currency exchange only amounts to $10.11.

Anyone ever heard of this?

[crisp sun]

sounds normal, it's good that they tried to work with you at least. While supplies last is a good way to still offer deals for Users than offering none at all.

[cinder gulch]

Little confused though because it clearly said $30 steam code with purchase during a major sale holiday.
Seems a bit of bait and switch to offer $30 steam code on a $109 product only to say “sorry we ran out” once you register it?

[crisp sun]

It's with the "while supplies last" tagline. I'm really sorry that you got it after supplies ended. I understand that it can be a frustrating situation

[cinder gulch]

Ok then, since you’re familiar…I didn’t see anywhere it said while supplies last when I actually purchased it. I didn’t think I would have to scroll way down for fine print when I see “$30 steam code with purchase.” I see some that say obviously front facing “while supplies last” or “up to” but this particular product didn’t say that

[crisp sun]

sent you a DM to take care of the rest in DMs @cinder gulch

[frigid edge]

how hard is it for them to have a simple system that checks how many are bought and makes sure it doesnt go above stock???

[crisp sun]

that's not a bad idea, let me send someone a DM about that

[frigid edge]

uh ok lol

[crisp sun]

I will look into that

[frigid edge]

i was yelling at msi not newegg dont worry bro

[crisp sun]

🙂 you're great, dw about it.

[icy hull]

Good luck.

[crisp sun]

I'm going to delete a few CS related topics here. That's why I took it to DMs.

[cinder gulch]

Understood, my apologies

[crisp sun]

no worries!

[jovial berry]

Can anyone tell me the DRAM manufacturer for CMK64GX5M2B5600C40?Thanks!

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-vengeance-64gb-ddr5-5600-cas-latency-cl40-desktop-memory-black/p/N82E16820236848?Item=N82E16820236848
this one

Is it Hynix, Samsung, or Micron?

[icy hull]

It's corsair. They have different versions (not advertised numbers) but probably whatever was cheapest at the time. You'd need to have it in hand to tell.

First number 3 is micron/spectek, 4 is samsung, 5 is hynix.

[jovial berry]

thanks

[pulsar onyx]

Used 5070 for $380 worth it?

[crimson zinc]

Yes

[severe hull]

What causes a driver problem ? I have to do a ddu all the time now for my son’s pc ? How do I stop this

[frigid edge]

Super worth it bro

[frigid edge]

What gpu does he have

[static skiff]

Would a 750 watt power supply be enough for an rx6950xt egpu? Software shows the power draw as maxing out at 350 watts, and I'd assume power spikes would top out at around 500 watts, and the GPU controller board probably doesn't use more than 30 watts, so I'd assume everything would be fine, but I just want to double check with people who probably know better than me

[tough matrix]

if you undervolt it sure

but 850 is the reccomended minimum

[fallen sphinx]

yeah thats totally fine

just make sure its like idk prolly c+ tier or higher

[static skiff]

It's a corsair rm750x 2018 which is rated a tier so it should be fine

[unique sand]

Is this a normal amount of time

[obsidian wigeon]

It runs infinitely btw

41 passes looks good though

Oh, I take that back

Memtest86 as far as I remember takes a long time to finish, so you'll have to keep waiting

[unique sand]

[unique sand]

How many passes can I expect?

[icy hull]

I usually tell people to leave it overnight, looks like you had already done 47 hours.

[sage osprey]

I am looking to build my first gaming pc and I have very little knowledge on what I am doing when it comes to parts and all of that?

[fallen sphinx]

i would recommend waiting for a while, unless you really really want it

[icy hull]

Do you know what kind of games you're interested in? Do you have a monitor already or looking to get a new one? Do you have an idea of what you'd be comfortable spending? Picking out the best deals for stuff to match a budget does take some specialty knowledge and keeping up with markets but there are a lot of competent people who can help with that. Prices have gotten pretty bad on ram, ssds and some gpus recently but it's not likely to get better any time soon. If you're open to used options there are still some decent deals to be had too, especially on gpus.
For an assembly guide I think Paul did a good job with his. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUu7N8tq4RE

[sage osprey]

I already have a monitor and I just bought a tower I would like to keep it under 2,000 dollars, and I play open world games like fallout, and Skyrim and I am looking to explore new games as well I would even play COD on it.

[sage osprey]

I am building it slowly I am not really in a hurry.

[crimson zinc]

I’d suggest going with an nvidia gpu. Those games like nvidia’s architecture better.

Lemme make a list rq

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CnPhMF

My take

Get other’s opinions first though as well

[snow dragon]

Nah cod loves amd

[crimson zinc]

Thought cod was NVIDIA?

[icy hull]

Cod is one of the biggest outliers that favors radeon.

[crimson zinc]

That’s weird

Regardless, the others do not favor amd

[icy hull]

$2000 is enough to get a great pc. If you're piecing stuff together over time that's more difficult. You have to be on top of prices yourself and know what's a good deal and what is a normal sort of sale that will be back again. If you buy stuff over time instead of all at once you can also run into the issue where you have a part sitting in your closet a few months and then you go to put your pc together and that part was broken and instead of just returning it to the store you have to use the manufacturer warranty which would be slower and you might have to pay shipping.
Another question would be are you close to a microcenter? https://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/default.aspx

[weary galleon]

Modern cod (2019 forward iirc) gets a huge perf bump on AMD cards

[sage osprey]

No unfortunately I am not close to a microcenter.

[left hare]

anyone know or have a good build for around 2.5k that has a 9070xt or handles 1440p excellently

[wheat zealot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qQDTW9

Under 2k

motherboard and ram is combo on newegg

if you really dont care about looks you could probably throw a 5080 in there

for $30 over budget

but then again I think 9070 xt gets 80% performance of the 5080. Only go 5080 if you use blender or care about RT I suppose, even tho AMD RT has came along way.

[left hare]

Thank you thank you

[left hare]

Ngl only reason I’d go w the 5080 is go w dlss or nvidia but ion really mind that anymore

[left hare]

Peak

This reminds me of a marketplace find ngl

Rm1200e watt psu from corsair for 150 got sold tho

[fallen sphinx]

Roomba… COD is incredibly AMD bias….

[fallen sphinx]

That’s kinda a meh deal

You can get new 1200w psus around that price

[crimson zinc]

I am not smart

[fallen sphinx]

Actually no

Way cheaper

And better models

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/97LHxf
but imo id try to get used ram/gpu and maybe a different cpu used

[crisp sun]

Hey Chat! Check this poll out and please respond to the poll! It's about PC builds.#polls-polls-polls message

[sage osprey]

I bought this case for my build CORSAIR 4000D RS ARGB Frame Modular Mid-Tower ATX PC Case, High Airflow, 3X Pre-Installed RS Fans, InfiniRail™ Mounting System, ASUS BTF, MSI Zero, Gigabyte Stealth, Black
, I will look into those other parts

[fallen sphinx]

yeah thats fine everything else listed will work

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MLtqsK that ssd i had sold out so here

[pale dust]

8gb of ram is a pretty hard sell imo

though i understand ram is super expensive and all right now

[left hare]

Which psu would you recommend?

[wheat zealot]

how many watts?

[left hare]

Around that 800 to 1000 watt for the future new build

[fallen sphinx]

Cheapest psu in that range that is a B tier or higher

[wheat zealot]

Montech Century II is 850 watt & around $90 I think

A tier

If you want to go cheaper look at the Rose will VMG B tier or the Asrock Pro series 850g. However, the asrock one doesn’t have a official tier but speculative around B tier.

[icy hull]

Century II or Steel Legend for $90 are both good picks.

[fallen sphinx]

Could get Sama GT (pretty sure it’s B tier but my tab isn’t loading)

[wheat crane]

Hey all, I'm looking at maybe getting this rig: https://www.newegg.com/abs-kaze-ii-ruby-gaming-desktop-geforce-rtx-5080-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-team-t-force-delta-rgb-32gb-2x16gb-288-pin-pc-ram-ddr5-6400-pc5-51200-ram-2tb-nvme-ssd-kiir9800x3d5080-black/p/N82E16883360943?srsltid=AfmBOorexUkcX_Td51i51naRDeUp4D2k8TiQvNaYh6a4vzQI5Y7qETS4

I want the 9800x3. I am thinking 5080 to keep me relevant longer.

I'm a more casual gamer but I keep my games open all day while I work and jump in for 5-20m sessions when I get breaks. So longevity and ability to stay on long periods in-game and not burn out over time is key.
I currently have a very old comp, would like to play newer games and yeah hoping this new tower lasts me a decade or so even if the final couple years I'm not playing the newest stuff or highest settings.

I know this rig is way overpowered for my current games (zomboid, rome total war ii) and likely overpowered for me in general being more casual, but hoping it'll help me stay good for a decade rather than upgrade again in a few years.

What should I keep in mind? And is building cheaper? I know I want the 360 cooling not 240 which is also why going w this over the abs with the 5070 ti and 240 cooling

[obsidian wigeon]

There's honestly not a good way to predict if a given PC will last a decade

[wheat crane]

Could potentially build but seems just as expensive for this setup to build and I don't have like soldering equipment if needed

[obsidian wigeon]

If you are a casual gamer who plays lighter titles, it's better to spend on a midrange PC and upgrade every once in a while when the need arises

Building a PC at this time is.. sub-optimal due to the ram and ssd prices

I'd aim for a 5070 at most, though it can be a little redundant depending on the resolution you wish to run your games at

[wheat crane]

But can I still rock newer games in a midrange? Like I'll want to get gta6 and maybe a few other nice new games given I haven't upgraded in a while

Not 5070ti?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yes, you absolutely will be able to

If you really want a 5070ti, there's no problem in getting it

It'll at least eliminate any worries regarding running the latest AAA games

If you run your games at 1080p however, a 5070ti is overkill

The 5070 can handle 1440p, though I can't guarantee how much longer it'll remain to be the case. Probably 3-4 years at worst, 5 if you hold out

[fallen sphinx]

5070ti is not only overkill but incredibly overpriced

[wheat crane]

Ok awesome thanks for the support. Do you think in 5 years games will be mostly 4k and need a higher rig? I'm also thinking staying value of the cost. 2700 now versus what, 1500 for mid range but maybe paying 5k in five years if prices keep flying?

[fallen sphinx]

You choose the resolution

Games don’t “need” any resolution

[wheat crane]

Is 1080 viable longer term or will it hurt in some games? I can barely run project zomboid right now in my old laptop so just don't want to hit a spot where everything I play lags like wild

[fallen sphinx]

1080p is fine but I recommend 1440p

[obsidian wigeon]

1440p is a sweet spot between sharpness and performance

[fallen sphinx]

Looks a whole lot better and not super taxing on performance

[obsidian wigeon]

1080p is fine too if your monitor isn't larger than 24"

And 1440p does allow for better upscaling if you choose to utilize stuff like DLSS and FSR

[wheat crane]

But a 5070 maybe only handles 1440 well for a few more years then need to upgrade? Is it easy to swap that unit out for a 5090 or whatever at the time, in most rigs?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yes, upgrading your GPU is fairly simple

You'll have to watch out for your power supply though

Make sure it has enough power to feed a 5090 if you desire to upgrade to it

But you'll be fine with a 5070 class gpu

[fallen sphinx]

I would also recommend building your own pc, you have a lot more freedom and it’ll be cheaper

[fallen sphinx]

If he wants longevity, don’t get a 12gb gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah, that'd be looking at stuff like RX 9070

or 9060xt 16gb

[wheat crane]

Just feels like a lot more to learn and lot more time to try to build my own, I liked that abs pre build bc good power supply, cooling, name brand ram etc. I'll look around for more at 5070, what do you think is a good price, and any target specs for cooking and other stuff?

Rx9070 also was interesting but it seemed like 5070ti outperformed

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ksVzyF
Id get this
It has a super overkill psu for any upgrades, solid board and cpu (8core for longevity), and plenty of airflow and cooling

[obsidian wigeon]

You won't need 5070ti power, but you can substitute it with 9070XT

[obsidian wigeon]

This one's a good built list btw

[wheat crane]

Cost isn't really an issue I'd rather pay 2700 now and it work well for a long time than pay and have to run into issues and troubleshoot and upgrade again

[fallen sphinx]

Rx9070 is 620$ while a 5070ti is 970$

[wheat crane]

Thanks! I'm gonna click that link and just in case I get lost in there thank you both for the help this morning

[fallen sphinx]

If the 5070ti didn’t outperform that’d be an issue

[wheat crane]

Will 9070 last long tho? Or that's just strong for now and bc of cost I can upgrade later

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zV2CJw

[fallen sphinx]

It’ll last a good while

[obsidian wigeon]

I threw in a 9070XT on top of quok's list, just to give you an idea

Performs just like 5070ti but costs a big margin less

[fallen sphinx]

Here’s the performance of them all relative to a 9070xt

9070 is like 10% less and the 5070ti is 5% more

[wheat crane]

Oh wow didn't realize the 5070ti was only 5% better than 9070

What about 9800x3 instead of the 7700? Why 7700, same idea just high cost for slight margin difference?

[fallen sphinx]

I mean the 9800x3d would be better if you’re fine spending that money, I’d also get a better board then

[wheat crane]

If I bought everything in this pre built list, I'd just need to install in the tower and hook up my monitor, is it like all clip/screw in and straightforward or I gotta get a solder iron? Never done this

[fallen sphinx]

Oh no solder

[wheat crane]

I think I want 9800x3 let's assume that! I liked the MSI b850 from the Newegg rig

[fallen sphinx]

https://youtu.be/DC-Xn2C_L1U?si=yo7GRRH0BhRTjmpS

[wheat crane]

But what else would I need to upgrade for a 9800x3?

[fallen sphinx]

That’s it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kWmcfp
Would be your list

Building a pc is basically just grownup LEGO, it’s just putting pieces where they need to go and screwing stuff in

[wheat crane]

I might do a b850 if that's better for motherboard to be safe! Tho my home wifi isn't fancy so idk if I need wifi 7 or anything so maybe I compromise on that, but could the 650 have issues later on?

I was reading that having CL30 is important for lag also do you know if this rig meets that spec or that's overkill?

[fallen sphinx]

B650 vs b850 isn’t anything major

It’s a “faster slot” that gives you maybe 1% gains

For the CL30 there’s 2 things
1 Ram is so expensive you can’t afford to be picky at all rn
2 the X3D chips have extra cache in them which makes RAM speed/timings have less effect, so you’ll again have a maybe 1% fps difference in this ram or a cl30 kit

[wheat crane]

You all rock thanks a lot

[fallen sphinx]

Ofc

[wheat crane]

Yo it shows the Patriot viper elite 5 for $130? Even cheaper for cl30, 16gb

Patriot Viper Elite 5 16 GB

Am I missing something on that?

[fallen sphinx]

16gb

[wheat crane]

Ohh only 1 vs 2

Doy, sorry

[fallen sphinx]

How are you seeing 130$?

I’m seeing 200

If it’s 1 16gb stick for 130 I’d get 2 of those sticks

[wheat crane]

Sorry 200 yorue right

[fallen sphinx]

Ah alr

[wheat crane]

Looks like storage selection is not avUlable on that list, what should I keep in mind for shopping storage? 2tb, what other criteria are important?

Form factor or interface important?

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tTjxrG here

It’s pretty expensive but it’s a good drive and SSDs are skyrocketing up

[wheat crane]

Thanks again. Saving for now, waiting for a new CC to try to hit a sign up bonus with this! May be back for updates in a week or so if I can't find any parts by then!

[bronze geyser]

Hey y’all! I’m new to PC building and I’m wondering if I can improve this setup at all. My PC https://newegg.io/7bb3db5

[icy hull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/chPpg3 I would change a few things yeah.
https://www.newegg.com/tools/combo-builder/6675

It thinks that power supply is a case for some reason.
-Much better motherboard
-Slightly better ram for $15 more
-2tb ssd instead of getting absolutely wrecked paying 275 for a 1tb
-Better cooler, if you want to get an air cooler I'd look at a phantom spirit instead, it's big enough it partially blocks the ram from view though
-Couple different gpu options, if you want to pay more for an upgraded/quieter model of 5070 I'd go $10 more than the prime for the msi gaming trio oc but I'd -get a 9070xt instead, that's more like a 5070ti in performance and you get the extra vram.
-Better deal on a psu.
-You didn't have a case so I put a few options.
-I'm assuming you did want lights because you picked rgb ram. If you don't want lights then air cooler and a plain case like a montech 903 base would make sense. There is also a slightly slower timings plain corsair ram kit for $312, it being slower won't really make much of a difference with you getting an x3d cpu.

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bM9D3R much better list

Could also get this on the motherboard for some crazy savings

[gaunt dawn]

anyone have a deal on a 750-850w psu?

[bronze geyser]

Thank you so much! I wasn’t expecting so much help. I’m mainly building a PC for flight sim and I wasn’t quite sure what I needed to be looking for.

[icy hull]

9800x3d and as good of a GPU as fits your budget goal is what I'd be going with. So you seem to have had it right.

[bronze geyser]

I should be able to do a 9070xt. MSFS 2024 it’s pretty vram heavy.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Falconknight310/saved/#view=q8kmFT

[bronze geyser]

Here’s my revised build.

[gaunt dawn]

what is the equiavlent amd procesasor

of

intel core ultra 265kf

[icy hull]

Depends what you're doing. For multicore it would be around an am5 r9, for gaming it's about even with any of the non-x3d ones.

[frigid edge]

did bro really paste the entire web page 💀

[gaunt dawn]

Yes oops

[frozen oriole]

What’s up guys, I’m building my first PC ever, I got all the parts except for a SSD would anyone be down to help me put it together sometime?

[snow dragon]

Dawg you chose a bad time

Oh nvm you already have all parts

Yeah you can reach out to anyone here and we can help

[frigid edge]

yeah i gotchu just come back in like 9 hours

[fading junco]

The 4070 ti super I just bought is chopped cheese. Top vrm is crooked to all hell and most of the solder on the right sides of them are just non existent

[frigid edge]

did you buy it used or for parts

[fading junco]

Used, guy said that he sent it into a repair shop to find out why his games were pixelating and crashing (that’s why there’s marker on the pcb) and they “fixed it”

I’m sending in an RMA with ZOTAC with everything I can give them, hopefully they can send it back in a useable state

[frigid edge]

goodluck

[haughty void]

that doesnt look right

[languid nimbus]

Oof

No it does not

[weary galleon]

might be ok actually, I think it's a defect in the injection molding of the plastic cover

[dawn thistle]

send it to northwestrepair

😁

nvm he on hiatus

[proper night]

I’m planning a home storage server I can use as a private cloud.

I’m trying to reuse an old APU, memory, and MOBO while building something with a clear expansion path.

The PCIe expansion cards are there to get the full SATA I/O for the case when fully loaded with ten HDDs and a boot SSD. The PSU was chosen for the number of HDD power connections.

The initial rig only has four HDDs due to cost.

The plan is to rig this up as a headless Linux server on my home network with a software RAID solution for redundancy.

Feedback and suggestions are appreciated.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K7N3Cw

[snow dragon]

Do you already have that small ssd?

What about two 20 tb reds? They are cheaper per gigabyte

[fallen sphinx]

You can probably have a better RAID with 4 drives instead of 2

[snow dragon]

Yeah I don't know which one is gonna be used

[proper night]

I’m concerned about time to rebuild a drive. The larger they are, the longer it takes.

I don’t have that small SSD

The SSD is the boot disk. The reds are for everything else

[stoic island]

The 12tb n300s seem like a better option for $/tb, can still do some fun stuff like raid 5 with 3 12tb drives

[fallen sphinx]

I’m officially done with my pcs, gonna try to sell em now.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NMBcfp
main pc, ignore the peripherals, but I will be selling the monitors separately

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RRWV3R
second pc, I will probably (?) put that 1tb spare ssd in here to make it sell better

I’m debating eBay or fbmp, since I don’t have a great market around me. Any help with exact prices and selling strategies would be helpful

Here are picture of them

[stoic island]

throw it up at higher prices on fbm first, since you don't have to deal with the ebay cut

if it doesn't sell, lower the price on fbm a bit, then list it for the higher price on ebay

[fallen sphinx]

Alr

I was thinking 1.9-2k for main pc starting price, 750? for second pc starting price, and like… 600? for the monitors

[stoic island]

Put it at higher than expected and let people haggle it down a bit

Something like $2k and $900 maybe

[valid oasis]

Hey everyone, I have not been able to get my PC to boot up whatsoever and it is all I have for my schoolwork. Would anyone be able to help me out?

[fallen sphinx]

900$???

Wth

[unique sand]

This case is apparently missing a bottom dust guard

Before I ask newegg for one, am I gonna have to send the entire case back

[wheat zealot]

Probably. You could reach out to the case manufacturer and see if they can send you the part. I know Razer did it when there was a part missing from one of their AIO coolers.

[unique sand]

thanks

[left hare]

Would yall say 165 for a Kraken 360 a good deal? Sealed

[stoic island]

No

[crimson zinc]

No

[languid nimbus]

No

[fallen sphinx]

No

[gentle pollen]

No

[gentle pollen]

Get a Thermalright Frozen Edge AIO it will perform just as good if not better while costing only $60 usd

[left hare]

Yee I did some searching after cus a lcd screen is smth I want n the thermalsright grand vision is what I found to be the better option

[weary galleon]

No

[frigid edge]

No

[frigid edge]

Yes

[crisp sun]

@tranquil cairn

[frigid edge]

@crisp sun

[crisp sun]

YOOOO

[tranquil cairn]

@crisp sun

[slender whale]

Okay so I want to host and run local AI models. I'm thinking of the m5 Ultra (whenever that comes out with 512 gb ram) what other options in that range are there? For clarity I currently use 2x 20x Claude Max and instead of wasting my precious claude tokens on automated research / task handling I figure I can use a good local model to work /accomplish what is needed on that end

[crimson zinc]

@buoyant aurora

[buoyant aurora]

Honestly, the M5 Max is a very capable device. The only issue is you will be paying an exorbitant amount of money out of pocket

The M5 Max is also not that high performance, but in a lot of cases, having more memory to run a smarter model at a slower speed is better than having less memory to run a smaller model at a higher speed

If you just want to run a local deep research, there are significantly better setups for that

512 GB of RAM is absurdly overspect for what you would need. 32 GB of RAM and maybe a 50-90 would mostly cover what you need, and would likely be significantly faster at the same time

Using a local model like Q3.5 35b a3b, you could likely get over 150t/s and over 4000 prompt processing tokens a second. Which would be significantly faster than even the highest speed Claude offers

I'd be surprised if an M5 Max Mac could even hit 1/3 that performance

[fallen sphinx]

I mean… you could probably get a pretty dang good threadripper system (if you can get the microcenter bundles) for the same price as a 512gb m5 Max mac right?

[buoyant aurora]

Yeah, on paper

I don't think this person is open to that though

I have a feeling they are after a single solution that doesn't really need any tinkering or building. Having 2x Claude max subs just gives that vibe haha

[fallen sphinx]

Then

High end windows laptop?

I feel like macOS is an… interesting choice for AI models

[buoyant aurora]

If they were after high performance local and portable the only option is strix halo swapped for Linux over windows. A friend of mine runs that

[fallen sphinx]

I love strix halo

[buoyant aurora]

The Asus Flow 13 strix halo is around $2700 last time I checked

[fallen sphinx]

Oh god

[buoyant aurora]

That's what my friend runs

[fallen sphinx]

If Apple charges 1000$ for 128gb…

[buoyant aurora]

There are extremely few strix halo laptops. The only reliable option is Z13 flow

[fallen sphinx]

Nearly… 4000$… for 512gb… for just the ram…

[buoyant aurora]

Yeah, my guess is a M5 Ultra 512GB would be north of $8000

Which at that point you could build a multi channel server with like 64 cores, and 3x3090's in parallel like one of my friends

Her server cost like $6000 and has 1TB of RAM (granted she built it before the RAM crisis)

Local AI is an insane spectrum lol

[fallen sphinx]

I was looking at them, and there’s the OneXPlayer Super X from Weeliao, it has trustworthy reviews but it’s not worth it over the Z13 if you don’t care about screen quality

Cause it’s one of 2 OLED strix halo laptops, only other one is a 60hz more expensive variant from asus

[buoyant aurora]

I have 64GB RAM and 2x GPU's for 40GB VRAM and a total of 104GB pooled mem. There are others on strix halo, or people with multiple PC's connected through Ethernet or thunderbolt

Then you have the server nerds usually 512GB+ of RAM and at least 100GB of VRAM

Then you have.... My friend. His local AI setup is well in excess of $650,000 now

[fallen sphinx]

[fallen sphinx]

That’s a bit of money, B200 gpus?

[buoyant aurora]

8x B200's in an active water cooled water chiller cooling loop

[fallen sphinx]

Ah

[buoyant aurora]

1,440GB of VRAM

He can run any local model in the world, faster than the cloud can inference it haha

[fallen sphinx]

Wait aren’t they “only” 30k each? Where’s the other 300k+ coming from

[buoyant aurora]

They are around $500,000 for a basic 8x setup because of space, power, and hyper speed Ethernet interconnect from my understanding

[fallen sphinx]

Ah

[buoyant aurora]

Plus his is built into his house with the active water cooling

He also bought it like right when B200 came out

But yeah, he's multi millionaire rich so lol

[fallen sphinx]

my friend is gonna get the Meshroom S V2 case, is there any downside in going from an sfx to an atx psu (matx motherboard, gigabyte gaming oc 9060xt, 240mm aio)

[fallen sphinx]

@honest knot https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xb3sJw is this good? idk what else to improve on this

ik its 8gb but my friend only plays esports games

[honest knot]

It's fine i guess, dunno if 8gb is gonna last with the build in the long run even if he's running esports titles but eh it'll do

man seeing those prices now is just wild

[icy hull]

That's an itx board not matx. If you do get matx I think you might need one that has the primary x16 in the first position, with itx that's always the case. If they don't care about cpu overclocking the a620i version of that board is basically the exact same. I'd either get that or pay an extra $10 for the b850i lightning instead of the b650i. You might have to manually set the pcie slot to gen 4 if you get a gen 4 riser.
https://www.newegg.com/tools/combo-builder/6675 If you wanted to save a bit, rgb ram can be annoying to turn off but that's a pretty good savings. Free cooler with the cpu too. Maybe take the hundred bucks saved there and get a 2tb ssd or a 16gb gpu.
I wouldn't get a p400. For a cheap one probably a crucial p3+ which is $125. I'm really not a fan of qlc as a primary but something better is more in the $160+ for 1tb range, there is the sn7100 in the combo builder deal too for $165 or 990 pro for 170 either of those are pretty efficient too which can be nice in crap airflow sff builds.

[fallen sphinx]

Would this not be best?

Matx + sfx psu or itx + atx psu (bit worse tbf) are the only options

[icy hull]

Should work, you know that's the ethernet only one right. No wifi/bluetooth built in. It's one of the better cheap boards for sure. Does it have to be itx to use an atx psu? Their site isn't as clear about what works with what as lian li is for something like the a3 where it's got a bunch of charts or the ncase m2 where it has a bunch of example builds.

It looks like there should be enough room for the psu to fit with a longer board, (it would be blocking the fan headers and audio and stuff along the bottom of the itx so there has to be some room there) you'd just have to care about the riser fitting which is why I mentioned the x16 in the top position on an matx board. They don't seem to spell it out anywhere though.

That could be a bad angle and it's not actually blocking that stuff though.

[brittle spindle]

how is this diddy blud motherboard inside the case

[slender whale]

I work in security, so the 2x max subs is just so i can keep up with use

I definitely dont know the right answer, I am open to many dieas and solutions as I dont think my idea is perfect and I'm not a mac lover , but it just seemed what was needed according to my rough calcs

[trim bridge]

seems your motherboard got some psu in it

[manic cloak]

Is there any good NASs on the market for a decent price atm?

[crimson zinc]

@fallen sphinx

[bronze juniper]

Hello everyone hope everyone is doing great I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me solve this issue with my loop build, I’ve been at it pretty much all day searching online as much as I can but can’t seem to get it to flow around the system I can’t attach a video show you here if anyone can help that would be great trying to get it up and running before crimson desert

[fallen sphinx]

why am i being pinged

[crimson zinc]

I thought you used NAS

Oh wait

@bronze juniper go to #networks-security-and-home-servers

[bronze juniper]

Sorry it’s a custom water loop build

[crimson zinc]

#cases-psu-and-cooling

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kfyd6B anything to improve? Microcenter bundle swapped out motherboard

[dapper karma]

pretty sweet lineup for the budget. be careful with that cpu/micro atx case combo, it can get quite hot

[sharp gorge]

I need wise informed help and advice.
My first gaming PC is a prebuild from 2020, Ryzen 7 3700X with a RTX 3070 8GB. Will I be able to upgrade my CPU to the 9800X3D & add a 50 series GPU card without changing my motherboard (ASRock X570 Pro4), and still be able to run 64GB of DDR4 RAM? Or is this just a really stupid question because I have no idea what I'm doing and I've never built a PC before. If I have to upgrade my motherboard, then I'm going to gift my 2020 pre-built PC to my 2nd cousin who turned 18 this year and will be enrolling in college to study Computer Engineering in the fall.

I know there's ppl here who can help me.
DDR5 RAM prices are insane right now, along with SSD prices. I'd much rather take the wallet hit for that than him since he's young and starting out, plus it'll leave him room for growth throughout college.

Can someone please help me? I want to save money where I can but I'm also willing to be poor for the next few years so that my favorite cousin can get a decent care package from me for college whilst I use my new rig for work, Blender, UE5 and gaming.

Please be kind with your answers. I'm doing my best.

[stoic island]

It's impossible, 3700x is on socket AM4, and only supports ddr4, while 9800x3d is on socket am5, and only supports ddr5, the best upgrade you can get without swapping sockets would be a 5800x3d

GPU upgrade doesn't really care about the CPU/motherboard though, but you'll have to double check your power supply

[sharp gorge]

Thank you for responding. I apologize if these seem like stupid questions. I tremendously thank you for helping me.

So basically to upgrade I'd need a whole new...everything except the case. That's good to know! I appreciate the 5800X3D knowledge as well; that gives me hope I won't be gifting a potato to my kinfolk who'll know more about PCs than me after he graduates.

It's in the Ryzen 7 family so I figured it would be all the same. I'm so glad I asked here.

This is going to be a bigger hit to me than I thought, however, it'll be worth it! No doubt. A 3700X with a RTX3070, and 64GB of RAM isn't all that bad, esp if it's free and saves his parents money on other college fees. Won't be the most powerful PC but free is free.

[sharp gorge]

I'd rather give him what I got now. Sure it's a prebuild, and isn't the most luxurious rig either, however, It'll save him money, and his educational workload can handle it. Hopefully he'll be able to find the perfect generational happenstance for both his studies and eventually PC hobby building...unlike me.

[stoic island]

Good luck

[wary stone]

Btw did I seat the cable correctly

[analog hearth]

Yes it's fine

[wary stone]

Im using the cable mod modmesh pro cables

Is the bend radius safe

[crisp sun]

these aren't dumb questions, you're doing good bro

[crisp sun]

what PSU are you using?

[wary stone]

Do u guys think the bend radius of my gpu 12v high power cable is safe?

[snow dragon]

If you were using 8 pins, it wouldn’t be a big deal, but you would ideally want to have that bend start later with this cable

[wary stone]

So here's an example of how the cable is bent probably not the greatest example

[snow dragon]

If it’s the best you can do, then it is what it is. But I think you have room to let the cable go out more before bending

[wary stone]

I mean don't think it's to much of deal since im just powering a 5070

I swear the 12v high power cable is a nightmare

[snow dragon]

[wary stone]

We will see this pc only 2yrs old

Don't judge my cable management

[fallen sphinx]

A… low power cpu in a small case? Why would that get hot lmao

[dapper karma]

lmao the 7800x3d does get hot even being "low power" with air coolers..

or it has the potential too

😭 i guess i dont live in the pc elitist world anymore is air cooling a 7800x3d a normal thing now

oh i must have been thiinking of the 9800 or w/e

my mistake

[icy hull]

That one uses more power but air cooler on either is fine. 7800x3d the vcache was on the top instead of the bottom so it's a bit different. 9850x3d is hotter yet and still fine on air. Unless someone wanted to do rendering or other heavy multithreaded stuff on an i7/i9/r9 a big air cooler like that is going to be fine for pretty much everyone.

[dapper karma]

thats why i feel its so critical to not just blindly trust big reviewers or creators, ive seen so many recommendations that the x3D variants are a "must" for liquid cool

[icy hull]

There are people using smaller air coolers for 400W+ threadrippers.

That has a much bigger contact patch though, there is an element of heat density to it as well for how efficienty you can get the heat out of the ihs.

[fallen sphinx]

I mean not rly, it’s only a 65w cpu and that’s a pretty beefy air cooler

There is the X3d cache making it hotter, but nothing the air cooler can’t handle

[dapper karma]

yeah i thought wrong

[snow dragon]

Yeah it is hotter than traditional processors, but not because it is actually pulling more power. It's just harder for the heat to leave the cores with the cache stacked on top of it

Plus you can still apply a curve optimizer offset to these

[sharp gorge]

I have no idea. It's a PowerSpec pre-built PC from 2020 Microcenter. I needed it for work during the pandemic because I was forced to stay home. I'm not sure how to look that up without taking the case and components apart. I've never had any PSU issues so I'm gonna guess it's a min of 850W gold standard..?!

[sharp gorge]

Is there a way to find out what PSU I'm using without opening up the back of the case? Mind you, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm here to gather knowledge. I had to use my PC system interface to find out what my CPU and GPU was. For the motherboard I used the flashlight on my phone to make sure I could see the correct numbers and make.

[crisp sun]

do u have the product page of the pc u have?

[sharp gorge]

It doesn't exist anymore. It's a prebuild from 2020 HTX MicroCenter, and unfortunately I didn't keep the papers and box. 6 years is a long time and I've moved twice in those years. I'm sorry. I don't have that.

[stoic island]

Easiest is to take off the case side panel on the back and take a picture

[crisp sun]

i think u'd have to open the side panel to see if u can see the sticker

yea

exactly what @stoic island said

[sharp gorge]

Okay. I'll do that now.

[sharp gorge]

Don't mind the dust, plz. Yeah I don't feel comfortable nor confident getting to the PSU. I got anxious and backed out. I took some photos though. I'd have to open up a lot more than just a couple side panels and screws.

[icy hull]

You already unscrewed the PSU from the case, that's what the 4 screws around where it plugs into the wall are for. If you wanted to get it out to look at the labels on the other side you'd have to take off that little bracket bar on the case and then it should slide out. Shouldn't need to unplug any of the wires or anything.

Other way to maybe find out would be to find the serial number and contact microcenter support to ask if they have it on file. You said power spec right? That's their store brand.

[sharp gorge]

Oh wow! Okay...I'll take a breather and try that in a few min. Thank you.

Yes, I guess? I'm not familiar with what's store brand for micorcenter or not. I did register it though under a haphazardly created email so that I could get a free USB drive sent to me. Microcenter likes to give away free stuff like that.

[icy hull]

Powerspec are ones they put together themselves, if it's skytech or cyberpower or some other brand then they're just a reseller and you'd want support for that brand.

[stoic island]

Try taking a picture of the front side, there's usually a sticker on both sides that tells you the model but sometimes only one side

[sharp gorge]

It's looking like I just keep this PC enact. Clean it up free of dust for my cousin and bite the bullet to build my own.

[sharp gorge]

Okay

[crisp sun]

What does the text there say?

PowerSpec Model G???

[stoic island]

Power spec g707, it's the model for the prebuilt but not the power supply

[sharp gorge]

Please be kind. I know it's dusty, I can see that.

I'm working on getting to the PSU.

[crisp sun]

ur good bro, everyone starts somewhere.

[sharp gorge]

I'm trying.

[icy hull]

Some cases have a cutout there where you can see the model of the psu and some are solid.

[sharp gorge]

Whoa. Did you use AI to help you or are you just that good?! That image looks 👌🏾
I mean...that's the same exact case I'm working with rn. I came to the right place!

[icy hull]

I searched powersepc g707 to get the reference image and took a pic from ebay, then it's snipping tool to crop a screenshot and that has a pen tool built in for the blue outline.

[stoic island]

It's a bit annoying that there isn't a cutout in the shroud for the PSU and there isn't a sticker on the back with the info, but you may have to remove the PSU from the back to check what it says on the PSU

[sharp gorge]

Old school. I love that. I'm gonna clean it up for him as a care package gift of course. It's so cool finding out that there's ppl wherever they are in the world to help me. I'm looking forward to this. I don't exist in or come from old or new money so this is very exciting! Thanks so much for helping me.

[crisp sun]

i might contact microcenter to see if they can answer what psu u have if u want to find out. but if ur just upgrading the cpu, u "should" be ok

[stoic island]

Yea it's not a problem for a CPU upgrade but it's something you should check if you're going for a GPU upgrade

[sharp gorge]

I'm immensely grateful to have asked these questions here. I'm not a hardware chick. I deal mostly in productivity, rendering, ini files, and software type stuff etc.
Build the hardware and I'll use it like an jungle-gym. I'm kinda working backwards here. I thank you all for your grace and understanding.

[dapper karma]

My peerless assassin isn’t working for this cpu and it reasonably should. It’s a 7600x, kind of mind boggling
Cinnebench doesn’t even go though, system halts halfway due to overheating. I know first things first is to check the thermal paste. Say that the paste is bad or not applied properly- Can I remove it with some alcohol (isopropyl) and some Q-tips? Or generally what is recommended

I put HWInfo up during gaming sessions lately and it’s always hitting 97C on the hotspot, 95 on the others - stupid question but that means somethings wrong right

[dapper karma]

Dust is inevitable , it’s completely normal for most systems. Nothing to judge ♥️

And I’m learning to. Everyone is in a constant state of learning . We can’t all be gamers nexus lol

[icy hull]

Probably something wrong yeah. Does the temp drop straight back down to ~50 or lower after you stop cinebench?
And yes, a little bit of isopropyl and paper towel or q tip or similar.

[dapper karma]

Not instantaneously but quick enough, yeah.

I’m scared to work in the system now, ever since I got my 9070xt and knowing I’m broke scares me to death knowing the AI market but

I’m worried about the longevity of the CPUs health if it’s getting that hot

[icy hull]

If it's fine temps in gaming or whatever your normal use case is then you can call it good enough and just check it periodically.

Synthetic tests like cinebench or prime95 will push it a lot harder than most typical use cases.

[dapper karma]

Hmm. If HWinfo is constantly reporting those high temps it might be worth it to check if the things are all good.

I do get the occasional micro stutter

And frame drop

And throttling can (theoretically) cause that lol

As far as I know.

Damn. My nerves are going to be shot. Thanks, Covante

[weary galleon]

They said 97c hotspot and 95c core when gaming, I don't think that's normal

[icy hull]

Oh I read that wrong. I thought that was the cinebench temps.

[icy hull]

It can yeah and if you're hitting the max temp of 95 in gaming then there is almost certainly something going on with the cooler.

[dapper karma]

I’m prepared to be made fun of .. is this bad??

[snow dragon]

Not ideal

Should at least be easier than usual to clean though, since it’s all in the center

[frigid edge]

not ideal

need some more

[frigid edge]

i swear i typed my message without seeing yours

[snow dragon]

Needs quite a bit more if you can see through the paste like that

[dapper karma]

Is there a danger of over putting too much paste?

For am5 just one decent sized pea in the middle or

[icy hull]

I like a thin X. Too much won't make your temps worse but it can squish out and make the clean up worse the next time you take the cooler off.

[snow dragon]

That was a fat blob, so a little less than what I put

This is still fine though

I think I put a little less after that

[dapper karma]

Okay, thanks. One decent sized blob in the middle and I assume some slight-but decent pressure to even out . I used the paste the Peerless came with , and I pressed down but that’s all that happened. I’m guessing that was a big mistake.

[toxic nacelle]

Hi guys need some help here. Long story short. I changed my motherboard and then this light came on on my GPU (it has a battery symbol). It's a 6650 XT, actually. Then I changed my PSU to an 850W one (it was 550W before) thinking it was a power issue, but it's still on. The PC turn on normally btw. Has anyone else experienced this?

[weary galleon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabytegaming/comments/12d37kq/what_does_white_light_above_the_8_pin_connector/?

[snow dragon]

You gotta screw it in dog

Brotha left

[gentle pollen]

@wary stone one thing I recommend is after inserting the connector, try pushing each individual cable in further incase some of them are a bit loose to ensure full and even insertion.

[manic mango]

Finally, now the whole case can be uggo

[obsidian wigeon]

ultimate uggo pc

[toxic nacelle]

Thank you! 🙏

[wary stone]

@gentle pollen which side u believe ain't fully plugged in

[gentle pollen]

Always double check both sides. Once the connector is fully inserted, grab each individual cable and try inserting it lightly incase any wiggled slightly out of position

I do this with 8pin connectors as well.

[mighty oasis]

The light is like here red dot

And it is constant

[stoic island]

That shouldn't be a motherboard light, it's possible that it's an activity light on your m.2 SSD though

[mighty oasis]

It is not SSD it is on motherboard.

[stoic island]

Right there should either be a standoff or just a hole in your motherboard, if your SSD is not there

[mighty oasis]

m2 SSD is fully covered by heat sink

[dusky hearth]

From product images, it looks like something is silkscreened onto the board

Do you see any text to say what it might be

[mighty oasis]

No i'll have to dissasemble my only PC

Pull out at least GPU

[frigid edge]

why there a pcie on the bottom

[stoic island]

Can you take a picture of it from outside?

[mighty oasis]

Yes.

[frigid edge]

that’s light work

[frigid edge]

interesting cable

[dusky hearth]

Btw your wifi antennas are not connected

[mighty oasis]

I don't need Wi-Fi

I'm aware about it

[obsidian wigeon]

This angle doesn't show the exact location of the LED

[dusky hearth]

Tho youre using Ethernet but maybe it's the wifi adapter doing the light?

That's the typical location for the wifi adapter after all, and a fair bit of boards don't have it soldered on

Just underneath the io shield

[obsidian wigeon]

Hmm that's a possibility

[frigid edge]

don’t be shy we can’t hack your pc by seeing the inside of it, take a pic of above the gpu but on the inside so we see the light

[dusky hearth]

Take off the side panel ideally

[dusky hearth]

Damn that's a huge cpu cooler

[obsidian wigeon]

Is there an SSD installed in that slot?

[mighty oasis]

Yes

[obsidian wigeon]

It's definitely the SSD's light

[mighty oasis]

Its absolute and utter b###ch to install

[obsidian wigeon]

It seems to be shining under the beatsink

[mighty oasis]

So what does this mean?

Is it exploding?

[dusky hearth]

What ssd do you have

[mighty oasis]

Samsung 990 EVO Plus

In that slot

[dusky hearth]

I wonder how it compares with the nh-d15 for installation since that one is fairly easy if you do the clips in the right order

Hmm

[mighty oasis]

You need to blindly screew 2 screews in between 2 heat sinks

[obsidian wigeon]

It seems to be an activity light

[dusky hearth]

That shouldn't have a led then

[obsidian wigeon]

That red led

[dusky hearth]

Weird place to have it though

[mighty oasis]

But it goes 24/7

I'm scared it is borked in some way

[obsidian wigeon]

Means it's being used constantly

[frigid edge]

No it’s behind the connector

[obsidian wigeon]

It's a boot drive right?

[dusky hearth]

This is one of those instances where a borescope would be quite handy

[mighty oasis]

Y

[mighty oasis]

lol

[dusky hearth]

I still need to buy a borescope ngl

[mighty oasis]

Is somethign wrong with my cables?

[frigid edge]

no lol

[mighty oasis]

So, waht should i do? Should i be scared? Should i do something?

[frigid edge]

it’s got personality

it’s not just some black blank cable

[obsidian wigeon]

the m.2 connector is right handed on this board

[frigid edge]

Oh

[mighty oasis]

It is orange, and it is going to build a wall

[frigid edge]

Is there an led on the back of a 990 pro

[obsidian wigeon]

i believe you might be able to turn that red led off in samsung magician software

[mighty oasis]

Let me check it out

[dusky hearth]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/s/r1codREJD0

[frigid edge]

Yeah motherboard

[dusky hearth]

Read text in embed

[obsidian wigeon]

It's weird as hell that the manuals don't state the existence of this led

[frigid edge]

Fr

[dusky hearth]

Yeah 0 mention at all

[mighty oasis]

I'm REALLY confused what "heat cache" he is talking about.

[dusky hearth]

I assume heatsink/spreader

Honestly no clue how that would cause it

But it fixed it for them

[obsidian wigeon]

Probably heat?

Plastic is more like an insulator than a heat transfer material

[mighty oasis]

I don't understand than what i haven't removed

This?

[obsidian wigeon]

There's usually a thin piece of protective plastic underneath the m.2 cover that the motherboard comes with

[mighty oasis]

I did removed it.

[dusky hearth]

If it's working fine I'd say just ignore it until it doesn't work fine lol

[mighty oasis]

Otherwise the spoongy heat interface would be obscured.

[stoic island]

You generally shouldn't remove that, the sticker on the SSD is generally has a layer of copper within

[obsidian wigeon]

I guess you might wanna try reseating the SSD? But yeah it could just be an annoying led rather than something serious

[mighty oasis]

I did that for 3 years with crackling sound. My CPU and MB fried themselves literary next week after warranty was off.

[dusky hearth]

I mean

In that case it technically wasn't working fine

[mighty oasis]

Tell that to the warranty checkers.

"No issues detected"

[dusky hearth]

Most companies try to weasel themselves out of doing an rma

Especially Asus

[mighty oasis]

So i'm making sure I can nail all issues within 2 weeks, where i can return stuff "no questions asked"

[dusky hearth]

You could try contacting msi to ask what that led is for

[mighty oasis]

Not available in my country

[mighty oasis]

Do you know where i can find settings for this?

[obsidian wigeon]

Actually I don't think the 990 evo plus actually has an LED at all

I was cross referencing with a 990 pro that has a heatsink included

[dusky hearth]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/s/gus38js1jG

Apparently nobody knows

[mighty oasis]

https://giphy.com/gifs/x-files-the-truth-is-out-there-RU4272BITNQ2c

Anyway, thank you for helping me dudes. Stay cool.

And dudettes if any of you. Thanks gotta go and sleep.

[dusky hearth]

From a forum post, it might be a bug in the bios that causes the led to be lit

It does appear to be supposed to be a drive activity indicator

[covert vapor]

Free RGB

Well...Free R

[gentle pollen]

@crisp sun what is your plan for those cables when you change a part or do maintenance?

[frigid edge]

Frrr

[snow dragon]

Well

There are extensions

[frigid edge]

Just desolder it bruh

[dusky hearth]

more risk than it's worth

[frigid edge]

true just put electrical tape

[vagrant anvil]

The arctic freezer 3 pro screws are too short bro

Idk what to do

[rare plover]

So my friend said he can give me some ram he has no use for but its kinda bad, can I undervolt my current set and overclock his set so they both match the same specs

I have 3200 cl16, he has 2666 cl22 or cl19

Is it possible to OC his ram without the risk of my current components being damaged

[stoic island]

It's unlikely to be stable without taking a lot of time, mem oc is annoying

[frigid edge]

intricate

[rare plover]

can i just run them both at 2666

[stoic island]

That you can do

[fallen sphinx]

You’d lose a boatload of performance

[rare plover]

i was told its like a 5 fps difference

[snow dragon]

Maybe at a pretty low frame rate

But relative to 3200, it will be lower

[fallen sphinx]

Well you’re going from 3200 cl16 to 2666 cl19/22, which is slower and worse timings

You’ll lose a good amount of fps

[icy hull]

The 3200 16 might even have a jedec profile for 2666 19 natively on it. For how much of a difference it makes you'd just have to see. Anything that wants to use more than 16gb it's going to be a much bigger difference there than it being slower is for the stuff that uses less. Ddr4 had a ton of different ICs and bins within those ICs so overclocking isn't really something you can anticipate without having it in hand and figuring out what exactly it is or just trying and seeing. The typical 1.35v xmp profile isn't going to break it and worst that realistically happens is you have to reset cmos.

[snow dragon]

Yeah ddr4 had a lot of different models and the one I had back then did not have much out there

So I did not bother tuning it because I did not want to spend all that time on it

[gentle pollen]

@rare plover for ram sensitive games I'd realistically expect about 5-10% fps difference. For my in Halo Infinite on DDR4 2666 JEDEC to 3200cl18 I went from about 90 frames up to low 100s. When I went 3200cl18 to 4000cl18 I averaged about 115fps. Minecraft showed similar scaling.

[rare plover]

ok

[gentle pollen]

That said, having a lower speed will still net you better performance if you're reaching max memory because it has to then store information on the ssds.

[rare plover]

i only have 2x8 currently so idk if i should wait or something

[gentle pollen]

Are you actually using all 16GB?

[gentle pollen]

This testing was all done on my 2x16 DDR4 kit.

[rare plover]

i reach like 14.6 gb sometimes

then lose performance a bit

[gentle pollen]

Probably won't help much overall if you're only occasionally hitting 16GB.

You will lose average in exchange for solving the occasional spikes. If that is worth it is up to you.

[rare plover]

i'll just wait then

[untold robin]

any other recommendations adding to the build? I mostly focus on aesthetics

Maybe adding some 8.8 led screen sounds nice?

[valid hollow]

Anyone have a true 2 slot (40mm, possibly 45mm) 4070 or similar? Need it for a Ghost S1 build, and found out the hard way that the Zotac Twin Edge OC doesn’t fit.

[frigid edge]

gotta check around ebay and jawa man

[valid hollow]

Doing that, just casting a wide net. Thanks!

[frigid edge]

no problem im just pretty sure you cant sell or buy things from members here

its POSSIBLE if the mods locked in...

[fallen sphinx]

#selling-buying-trading

[weary galleon]

Still really iffy, if someone got scammed they'd def be complaining about Newegg

Better to just use r/hardwareswap anyways

[gentle pollen]

Personally I think it would be like FB Marketplace. Provides a place to say hey I am selling this or that for this then all discussions, payment, etc is and should be handled privately between buyer and seller.

[gentle pollen]

@crisp sun

#buy-sell-trade

Also limit it so only people who have either been here for a month or reach the 3rd level can post any listing there to avoid spammers or people just joining to place a post.

[obsidian wigeon]

I am honestly not into this idea as this is the official newegg server

Allowing a marketplace would imply that people can expect the actual Newegg company to assist them in case of scams

And newegg doesn't have a marketplace

[weary galleon]

Yeah I kinda agree

[obsidian wigeon]

If this were to be a fan server, it would be doable in my opinion

[weary galleon]

Mhm

[gentle pollen]

Put in a notice like FB does that essentially states Newegg is only providing a place to find listing and is not responsible for anything you do with the listing.

Personally I'd really like to see this happen since we already have dozens of members in this server that buy/sell/trade with each other and did so by talking within this servers chats before moving onto DMs. I won't be listing any of their names for privacy and safety purposes.

[obsidian wigeon]

I personally don't trust people's ability to read the rules and terms

The potential bad PR for newegg could become a liability for the company itself

[gentle pollen]

I do understand what you mean. I wish to also point out that people have put their items on eBay and listed it in #tech-deals so it'd just simplify the process imo.

So it's not as if, we haven't been facilitating this even if indirectly. Also might be better if we move to #general-chat

[frigid edge]

can make a big ol pinned message that "this section of the server is not affiliated with the company and by using it you agree that newegg is not responsible for anything"

[frigid edge]

lol

[wheat crane]

Can I ask for help reviewing my build?

First time upgrading from an old gaming laptop from like 2013... Want to play baldurs gate, zomboid, civ, Manor lords, GTA 6. Potentially heavy sim games.

I am using an old 1080p 60hz monitor for now, so going cheap on graphics but thinking s 9060xt also give me space to upgrade to 1440 if I want to, and just keep playing new games on 1080 for longer bc of the 16gb.

I keep the games open all day and pop in when I can during breaks, so going 9600x for the low watt and efficiency rather than pure gaming speed.

But also building e all modern generation stuff so I can easily throw a new cpu or monitor in if I want to upgrade drastically at some point, or just a CPU upgrade to mid-tier in 2036 to stay relevant longer

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PqRV6B

This rig feels super high end in some stuff I could prob sacrifice on in little ways here and there, but still strong value. But also seeing prebuilts w 9070xt and 7800x3d for same price gets me a little sad to be spending this much on a 1080 rig, even though I know it give me good runway and room to scale up

[icy hull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nzFZR4
https://www.newegg.com/tools/combo-builder/6675
Psu is likely a bit loud but it's also free and this is cheaper while getting a 9070xt. I would definitely make the upgrade to a 1440p monitor, you can get a fairly nice ips one in the $150-200 range.
https://www.amazon.com/KTC-Speakers-Adaptive-Vertical-H27T6/dp/B0FZ45M9RF

If you're leaving stuff running all day it's going to be the gpu using way more power than the cpu btw, I wouldn't be doing that.

[wheat crane]

Thanks. What do you mean wouldn't be doing it? And I'm restricted to this monitor for a while. I've got it hooked up to my second work monitor so I can game when I get breaks.

In theory of games load wicked fast I won't need tk keep them open as much, but right now it takes me 20m to load in so I just pause game all day and jump in for 5-10 a handful of times if I can

[icy hull]

I wouldn't be doing it because it's wasting power, if you want to use the pc as a space heater then I guess it's not really wasting.
Are you running the games off an HDD rather than an SSD? Even then 20 minutes seems awfully excessive. Should be like a few minutes at worst on something like gta V which is quite slow to load on even a crappy HDD. Maybe if you were using an external HDD on a usb 2.0?
I have a similar quality SSD and cpu, cyberpunk goes from clicking launch to in game in < 1 minute for me and most of that is the title screens it doesn't let you skip.

[wheat crane]

Sorry if I didn't say this, I'm playing on a laptop from 2013 right now lol. I can't even play most games. 940m i5. Project Zomboid takes about 20m to load (both game and load save w mods) and is so laggy it's nearly unbearable. Rome 2 total war takes a few minutes up to maybe 8ish to load a deeper save

[icy hull]

Oh is it like 4gb of ram? That could probably do it too.

[wheat crane]

I think maybe 8? But I can't play games that ask 4vram or something, idk I just stopped trying to find anything modern that would play well

Appreciate the time and tips!

[icy hull]

Good luck with your new pc.

[mental hazel]

my only issue with 16GB 9060 xt is that 9070 is often better price/performance and will definitely give you a wayyy better experience for GTA6. i would just go with the cheapest AM5 platform you can throw together and upgrade to better ram/zen 6 or 7 once you have the budget

[wheat crane]

Ya for sure, I just don't need at all the output of it since I'm so restricted by the GPU. I'm considering it though for longevity and performance even if I do like a 1080 monitor w better frame rates

[mental hazel]

monitors are really cheap. spend the extra $100 to get something ~50% faster, and then save up another $150 over the next few months and grab a high refresh 1440p

if you wanted to go a little higher end, you can get 1440p 240hz OLEDs for $300-400 now if you're patient

could even save that $100 extra by going with a used 7000 series cpu and a used b650 or smth

[wary stone]

Can I plug fan splitter Into the long cable extension

And then have my radiator fans plugged into the splitter and hidden in the back

Im doing an all noctua build

[stoic island]

If you need multiple sets of splitters, you may want to just get the na-fc1

[wary stone]

The fan hub?

I actually have the fan hub but this is strictly just for my aio fans @stoic island

[stoic island]

As long as the total current draw from the fans is lower than the rated max current for the mobo header you're using, it's fine

[wary stone]

They r noctuas new 140mm chromax fans

I have a 420mm be quiet refillable aio

[stoic island]

0.2a/fan, so max of 5 per 1a mobo header

[wary stone]

My motherboard is the msi mpg x870e carbon wifi

Ok thanks

[wary stone]

And then is it safe to use a fan extender cable on the pump cable? Not that it's necessary just want have a but nicer looking cable on visible side of my case?

[stoic island]

Yes, the cables don't matter much with such relatively low power

[wary stone]

Ok thanks so much ok it's kinda of a silly question to ask

[fallow patrol]

So, I was doing a case swap, and I got to the end, but my GPU wasn't getting power, so I swapped some cables, and now I'm not getting any signs of life at all

[crimson zinc]

Reseat everything

[manic cloak]

Is it worth it to get a b650 + 9600x for 200$?

Some guy is selling it in my area, I really doubt it’s worth to change over with my own CPU & motherboard though

[icy hull]

That's a decent deal or maybe a great deal depending on which motherboard. Whether it's worth it for you is subjective.

[manic cloak]

B650 Aorus Elite

[icy hull]

That's pretty good then.

[mental hazel]

seems good yeah. just test it before money changes hands

you can get pretty okay pricing on OEM hynix A die if you're alright with tuning it manually. i'd just punch in buildzoid hynix timings and call it a day though

Ryzen doesn't really benefit above 6400mb/s, and the gap from 6000-6400 is really minimimal. i'd just call it at easy hynix 6000 settings

[manic cloak]

would replacing my current 13600k/d4 work out or not really?

[icy hull]

You'd have to buy new ram too if you're on ddr4 and that's likely going to be $300+.

[mental hazel]

oh if you're already on 13600k don't bother. at most you're losing like 10% vs 9600x

in games anyway

just wait for Novalake or Zen 6 or smth

[manic cloak]

Novalake is supposedly lga1700 right? I’ve been out of the loop

[mental hazel]

LGA 1954, socket doesn't yet exist

iirc end of 2026/early 2027 release, alongside Zen 6

[snow dragon]

Yeah it got pushed to 2027

[still minnow]

yo

whats the best exhaust and intake ratio fan for a 11 fan pc

[trim bridge]

my 11 fans are 7 intake 4 exhaust

[weary galleon]

Doesn't matter too much as long as you have more intake than exhaust

[still minnow]

9 intake 2 outtake 😮‍💨😮‍💨

[rapid radish]

Just doing some simple non funded shilling bought the z890 aorus master + Ultra 7 270k plus combo for only $469 to replace my z690 aorus master and 12900k for that easy 20% faster singlecore 40% faster multicore at like a 3rd of what the old build cost

Thank you newegg (and love you fr staff people)

[golden echo]

how good is the MSI MAG FORGE 321R AIRFLOW case?

[crimson zinc]

There are better cases. A lot of better cases.

[crimson zinc]

Montech X3 Mesh, montech air 100, Sama 3509, Montech XR, Thermaltake View 270, Lian Li Vector V100R. Similar price point. Better cases.

[golden echo]

What makes them better tho? The aesthetics? Personally im just looking for a case with good airflow and don’t rlly want fishtank cases

[stoic island]

It's the airflow that makes them better, MSI keeps adding aesthetics elements to the front of their cases that blocks airflow for some reason

[gentle pollen]

Depends on the tuning and games. Ram sensitive games like Minecraft and Marvel Rivals can get 5-10% with a good 6400 tune over 6000 XMP. Just bumping up frequency with slightly tighter timings can make a ~2-3% difference.

[gentle pollen]

If size and budget aren't a concern I vouch for the Fractal Torrent and highly recommend the HAVN HS420.

Both have good compatibility, and best of the best in terms of airflow.

[gentle pollen]

Fractal Torrent or Fractal North give those a peek. Not fishtank.

[gentle pollen]

This said, most AM5 CPUs can't do 6400 fully stable. A lot can but not the majority.

[mental hazel]

6400 tune vs 6000 XMP is wayyy different from 6000 tune vs 6400 tune. almost all of the difference is FCLK and timings

the meager bandwidth difference is negligible per my testing on crappy Rev G

5600 vs 6000 made almost no difference if i ran both with OC FCLK and minimized timings

[gentle pollen]

May be dependent on IC. I have Hynix A and it does make a noticable difference because I tried (same pri/2nd/tert) at 5600 vs 6400 and I gained about 8% FPS.

Rev G that's Micron correct?

[mental hazel]

same values or proportional values?

same absolute values at higher clock speed is reduced latency/real value

would be ~15% lower latency, which makes sense given your uplift

[gentle pollen]

Same values. 117ns tRFC, max tREFI, 26tCL, SCLs at 5/5, GDM disabled, etc.

[mental hazel]

yah, that decreases latency

timings are measured in clock cycles

[gentle pollen]

The primaries were already floored.

[mental hazel]

you have more clock cycles per second and the same delay in clock cycles per operation

[mental hazel]

yes but your timings are measured in clock cycles. you have the same clock cycle delay, but more clock cycles happening per second

so the actual time delay in nanoseconds is reduced

your uplift is in latency primarily, very little of that is bandwidth

[gentle pollen]

I'm aware, just pointing out that the tune was as low as it could go.

[mental hazel]

Ryzen bandwidth is bottlenecked to hell anyway, so you don't really get much from theoretical bw improvements anyway

[mental hazel]

but then the argument that bandwidth increase improved performance is flawed

[gentle pollen]

Agreed on the bandwidth, only things that made a noticable difference was increasing fCLK.

[gentle pollen]

My argument is in regards to 6400 vs 5600 at the same timings. The latency is a expected change.

Bandwidth won't change much but the latency will, and that latency makes a noticable difference.

[golden echo]

budget lowk might be a concern, looking for a case under 85-90

[stoic island]

sama 3509 is pretty budget friendly
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CKRGT2MX

[icy hull]

Antec p30 is what I'd be looking at for a budget case. Like the flux's little brother. Should be about $70.

[mental hazel]

if you can run 6400 at a given timing you can certainly tun 5600 at a lower timing? so it's apples to oranges

you will nearly never run into a circumstance where you have significantly non-linear latency scaling when reducing bandwidth. pushing bandwidth tends to make it nonlinear insofar as you increase latency to maximize throughput. in this case you're going backwards though. if the limit is the registry that's one thing, but it doesn't change the fact that very little is gained from bandwidth, it's the difference in timings and therefore latency that are affecting performance

[weary galleon]

Bandwidth can definitely show gains, just depends on the application

For gaming, once you have a "good enough" bandwidth it's then typically better to tighten timings for better latency

But iirc for more memory heavy tasks it can sometimes be more beneficial to have higher bandwidth and worse latency

[golden echo]

Are fishbowl pc cases bad? I heard theyre more fragile and have worse cooling/ventilation than non fishbowl ones

[gentle pollen]

This is correct.

And vice versa for very latency sensitive applications like Protein Folding to my understanding

[gentle pollen]

Depends entirely on the setup. Some have very restricted intakes

[severe condor]

hello is there someone i can speak to about what I should focus on upgrading in my pc?

[gentle pollen]

Without Sub-ambient and +1.8v VDD anything below tCL 24 is not attainable right now on DDR5. I ran tCL 26 which is as low as realistically can go with sufficient active air cooling and around 1.6-1.7v VDD unless you have one of G.Skill's 6000cl26 kits rated for 1.4-1.45v VDD though that's $1,500 USD or more in this economy.

I agree that the bandwidth gain is not what increases the performance in most cases, however increasing the frequency at the same timing has a large benefit towards decreasing latency which has a benefit towards performance in most applications.

[icy hull]

There are different styles of fishtank and different qualities across models but generally true. The fishtanks with the bottom intake open are better than the ones with just the side. https://www.newegg.com/lian-li-atx-mid-tower-steel-tempered-glass-cases-black-o11dmiv2/p/2AM-000Z-000G2 One like that is pretty decent.

[crimson zinc]

Ask in here!

[frigid edge]

people can help here

[severe condor]

Hello I am looking to upgrade some parts of my PC as I have had issues with some video games/premiere pro crashing more and more often (built it myself in 2020). I have a limited budget of around $500 but I currently have the following

BASEBOARD PRODUCT -    MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI (MS-7C91) Installed Physical Memory (RAM)    32.0 GB
GPU - AMD RADEON RX 5700 XT 
DISK DRIVES - ADATA SX8200PNP (500gb SSD used for Windows 11 as C drive) / CT1000P1SSD8 (1TB Extra Storage Drive) 
POWERSUPPLY - Enermax Revolution D.F 850W 80+ Gold Certified Power Supply; ERF850EWT - NO COOLING SYSTEM INSTALLED```
  What are the things i should focus on as I want to be able to edit videos faster with less hiccups? My main issue recently is when i have too big of a project it seems my VRAM maxes out and causes the entire project to essentially freeze and i am unable to continue until a hard reset of the program. I plan on working on bigger projects so i need to upgrade

[crimson zinc]

100% gpu and cpu upgrade.

Everything else is fine.

You could get a 5700x, and a 3070ti.

[frigid edge]

everything you have is great

as the red name guy said, just upgrade your cpu and gpu

[golden echo]

do you think the Gamdias Aura GC12 is a good option? It comes with 6 fans

[icy hull]

Not familiar with it but it looks decent.

[crimson zinc]

It’s fine, but it’s cheaply made

[severe condor]

does it matter specifically which 3070ti? or can you link me a good one theres a few options but im unsure all the other specifications that decipher them. Also 5700x im assuming any of those work too? Sorry for all the questions

[crimson zinc]

5700x is an AMD cpu. You can get any.
Most 3070ti are gonna be fine nowadays. Whatever’s cheapest.

[severe condor]

sounds good thanks for the help 😄

[crimson zinc]

Forgot to ask @severe condor
What’s your cpu cooler?

[severe condor]

i dont have one!

was just using the fan that came with my 3600XT for last 6 years 🤦‍♂️

any recommendations?

i have the 'Cooler Master MasterBox TD500 Mesh Airflow ATX Mid-Tower with Polygonal Mesh Front Panel, Crystalline Tempered Glass, E-ATX up to 10.5", Three 120mm ARGB Lighting Fans' it has 3 fans and i think i have one additional one on the back panel

i think the one extra fan i have is at top slot

nope

[severe condor]

thanks! is there much of difference between 3060ti and 3070ti? i think the ebay link is a 3060ti

[crimson zinc]

3060ti is less powerful

[frigid edge]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhh-damn-bro-daamn-that-was-obvious-realising-gif-24880382

[crimson zinc]

[frigid edge]

[severe condor]

all good!

[crimson zinc]

If you don’t want an AIO, thermalright peerless assassin is a good idea

[severe condor]

hahah i saw that too, but i mean if it works!

[crimson zinc]

Mining bios probably
But flash a gaming one??

Oops

Thought it said 225

[severe condor]

ive never had a liquid cooler to begin with so idek if i wouldnt want it haha

yall are the best, thanks for being so helpful

[crimson zinc]

https://www.jawa.gg/product/97867/msi-mech-2x-rx-6700xt

[severe condor]

haha “Fortnite was played on it several times.” also no wires come with it but i guess mine from my 5700xt are fine still

[crimson zinc]

Honestly,
The 3070 ti will be best

Less vram, but access to dlss4.5

[severe condor]

i wonder if vram more important because it might be causing my premiere pro freezing issues

its still more vram than my 5700xt though right?

[crimson zinc]

Nah, that’s cpu bound

[crimson zinc]

Same vram, better architecture

Could try to find a 5060ti 8GB
Its newest gpu generation, less powerful than 3070ti though

[severe condor]

shoot i mean personally i wouldnt want to switch away from radeon if i already have a radeon gpu (+ all software downloaded for it/familiarilty with adrenaline). Even though it has been mentioned that either work. Does it really matter though

i guess end of the day whichever one will be best for my premiere pro editing is the one i go with. But i'm sure any are much better than what i currently havae

[crimson zinc]

Then if you wanna stick with it, this, or a 9060xt 8GB.

[mental hazel]

referring specifically to current gen Ryzens which have a severely bottlenecked memory subsystem. write speeds are capped really heavily by FCLK

can sometimes fine b580 for the price of that 6700 xt. slightly worse performance/overall stability, but better (usable) upscaling and RT

[crimson zinc]

$300! Used

[mental hazel]

also worth considering imo

i should sell my fiancé's 4060 ti, why are they still so expensive?

[severe condor]

intel makes gpus?? lol

[mental hazel]

yeah they have for several years now

looks like they might be on the way out, but oh well. enjoy em while they last

i have quite a few, less now than before. i had 2 a770's and 3 b580's. now just 1 a770 and 2 b580's

one of the b580's i need to repair

[frigid edge]

gpus are not supposed to come with wires unless its an adapter included in high end 40/50 series NVIDIA cards, your power cables are part of your power supply

and yes the cables powering your 5700xt will be fine powering a newer gpu

[crimson zinc]

B580 would be my choice

If it’s cheap enough

[frigid edge]

YES

B580 is goated

[frigid edge]

Cheapest brand new one is 290 rn

[mental hazel]

there's one on ebay for $260 incl shipping rn

[frigid edge]

nice could you send it for em

[mental hazel]

https://ebay.us/m/ZiLkPH

[frigid edge]

onix's look nice too

[severe condor]

yea idk if i will end up making the jump to intel. I think im gonna go with 3070ti, ryzen 7 5700x, and the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3 CPU Air Cooler. But you guys are really pushing for the B580 haha why is that

[crimson zinc]

Honestly, b580 is better than 3070ti

[mental hazel]

having owned a 3070 ti, i definitely prefer my b580

[frigid edge]

Value and the driver support and qol has gotten very nice

[mental hazel]

the vram truly helps, and Intel is stable enough for day to day gaming at this point

[crimson zinc]

More vram, just about as good ray tracing, and intel has made HUGE driver support updates

[frigid edge]

Take it from me who has a B580, its all I could ask for for the price

[mental hazel]

there are weird edge cases but i haven't had major issues in a long time

[crimson zinc]

I don’t even have a b580 and I’m recommending it

[severe condor]

hmm what about suportability in the future. Like if they do stop making them

[crimson zinc]

They won’t

[mental hazel]

tbf the updates are only huge bc they're behind, but at this point they're not behind enough to matter for most people

[frigid edge]

Nah

a 3070ti is more likely to lose support than a B580 lol the B580 is much newer

[crimson zinc]

Unless you’re like a super up to date consumer, like Theo, it won’t matter lmao

[mental hazel]

i suspect they will, but consider that this is a low end GPU at this point. by the time support ends (probably whenever they sunset Panther Lake, so a good 5 years minimum), the GPU is going to be irrelevant anyway

so it's kinda moot

[severe condor]

is it better for video editing? i know that generic question probably

[mental hazel]

it has a much better encoder

significantly so, and native AV1 support

[frigid edge]

good power efficiency for the performance too

[mental hazel]

if my second b580 was functional i'd give it to you on the cheap but i don't have time to fix it rn

it's wall candy for the time being

[severe condor]

what about software similar to radeon adrenaline

[mental hazel]

less feature rich, but it has the important stuff

very easy to navigate

[severe condor]

yea i really dont use it much lol idk why i even mentioned it

[frigid edge]

Intels software is very simple and easy to use

[mental hazel]

don't bother overclocking though, the GPU control panel has been broken since launch lol. not a priority feature seemingly

[frigid edge]

compared to adrenaline its like a car and a plane

[severe condor]

https://tenor.com/view/suspicious-dog-gif-20342502

you sure yall dont work for intel

[frigid edge]

i dont work for intel

[severe condor]

😂

[crimson zinc]

I only have amd

[severe condor]

jk

[crimson zinc]

[frigid edge]

I speak on my own thoughts and opinions

and hands on experience

[mental hazel]

i've historically been a huge Arc hater, your situation is one of very few where i would recommend b580

[crimson zinc]

This is why we also value community here

[frigid edge]

not my situation lol his

[crimson zinc]

Different people will have different opinions
On rare occasion, we all agree

[mental hazel]

oops i swiped on the wrong message

[mental hazel]

meant to reply to this lolol

[crimson zinc]

Best case for you is a 5700x and a b580

[frigid edge]

This is The Way

[severe condor]

i do game though too, like just CS2 and Rocket league lol. B580 good for gaming?

[frigid edge]

very good for gaming for its value

especially in 1440p

so in 1080p it will crush those games

[crimson zinc]

Yeah

[mental hazel]

yah, older games are cursed sometimes (like dx9 and earlier) but they tend to be so old that even really "bad" performance is like 100+ fps

[frigid edge]

what resolution do you game at?

[mental hazel]

1440p

[frigid edge]

not you

[mental hazel]

yes me

[frigid edge]

unless he said it earlier

[frigid edge]

nuh uh

[mental hazel]

do not discriminate

arc users stand together

[frigid edge]

calzoskiDog

lol

I also use 1440p

[frigid edge]

What resolution do you play at

[severe condor]

1920x1080 i think lol

[mental hazel]

oh yah ur fine mate

[frigid edge]

alr so 1080p

yeah a B580 will be great

[severe condor]

im convinced!

[frigid edge]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/358374862784

[mental hazel]

the driver still has some nasty overhead, but it's more to do with max framerates than a flat % drop in performance. so you may see lower than expected performance at 1080p, but as newer more demanding games come out it will begin to appear faster as it doesn't lose as much performance as its counterparts

kinda like Nvidia 30 series lol

[frigid edge]

the frame gen also works really nicely in supported games

[mental hazel]

they performed measurably worse at 1080p vs 4k for a long time, then next gen games came out and now it's negligible

[severe condor]

so a B580, ryzen 7 5700x, and the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3 CPU Air Cooler. does that sound good? or should i go AIO cooling?

[frigid edge]

Aio cooling is only if you want to

its more future proof and looks better

and is quieter

[mental hazel]

don't bother for a 5700x, it cooled it's 95w cousin 5800x on a stock cooler for years

PA120se is more than enough

[frigid edge]

or like this thing lol https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9Gstt6/thermalright-assassin-king-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ak120-se-argb-d6

[severe condor]

damn thats all it needs? so small

idt sound is an issue really

[frigid edge]

I would say its the smallest one itd be comfortable with

it depends on however much you want to spend on a cooler atp

smaller cooler or an aio are also much easier to install

a dual fan tower is huge

[severe condor]

that b580 is only $250/5700x is $200/Thermalright is $15. So i guess i have a little bit of room on the cooler. Should i just go with the AIO for $50?

[frigid edge]

If you are set on buying a B580 which is great by the way you should buy as soon as you can, this is the best price we can find right now https://www.ebay.com/itm/358374862784

[severe condor]

or whats a tier up from the b580?

[frigid edge]

9060XT

[severe condor]

yea i might have to jump on it soon

[frigid edge]

does your case fit a 240mm or 360mm aio?

[severe condor]

oh okay thats too much of a gap probably

[frigid edge]

around $200 more, if ur lucky lol

Unless you got an 8gb instead of 16gb

[frigid edge]

and given the games you play you might actually be fine with 8gb

[frigid edge]

ah ok 360mm

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu-cooler/#m=113&sort=price&page=1

this has thermalrights aios sorted by price

I dont personally recommend going past the V6 as any more expensive are just for looks

Ok upon checking 9060xt prices its worse than I remembered like 2 days ago so never mind on that

[severe condor]

can you link a v6 for me by any chance. o, ;pplomg tjrpigj ;ost bit lomda cpmfised

whoops

[frigid edge]

sure thing

[severe condor]

im looking through list and kinda confused

is what i meant

[frigid edge]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F8BGJGKQ
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F8BKKJJQ

Black and white version