building-and-recc-chat

[tranquil halo]

worth it?

use case is i play games at 1440p

currently have a 3080 ti but i'd like to upgrade that...eventually. and i want a system that won't be aged out if i have to wait a couple generations more for a new graphics card

9800x3d has much cheaper combo, and for the same price I can get an x870e-e mb

right now im just looking to get a new mb, cpu, and maybe a new case, and re-use the rest of my components

trying to see what i can look forward to by black friday

[fallen sphinx]

9950x3d is a high end chip for gaming and workstation

[fallen sphinx]

Don’t do that

Get the b650e

[tranquil halo]

i was attracted to the e-e due to the larger number of pci lanes

[fallen sphinx]

What for that’s worth that much money

[tranquil halo]

is a b650 not considered...old?

[fallen sphinx]

No??!

What

It’s a b650e anyways

It has pcie 5 and that’s really all you need

[tranquil halo]

is the b series a persistent set?

i assumed the x series was replacing it?

[fallen sphinx]

B series is a “mid end”, x series is a high end

But the things that differ are not much

[tranquil halo]

hmm

i usually run a 2x m.2 setup, but i do have a number of hard drives that need to be accessed from time to time

[fallen sphinx]

Both will do that

And x870 series has pcie lane issues

[tranquil halo]

oof, does it?

[fallen sphinx]

Mhm since it has usb 4

[tranquil halo]

huh

[gentle pollen]

so call it a 5% difference. The 7600x does have better cores but it also means going even further out of budget.

[tranquil halo]

so a b650e-e with a 9800x3d would be fine even 6-10 years from now? i know it wouldn't bottleneck a 5080 but i don't know what the future is gonna be like

[fallen sphinx]

But only 2 m.2 ssds won’t effect it so just get the 9800x3d

[fallen sphinx]

Yes it will be fine with it, but nobody knows when the eol on the actual cpu is

[gentle pollen]

Buy your parts expecting to use it now. Parts no matter how bad you want it will become outdated faster than expected.

Take it from someone that's upgraded 5 times in 3 and a half years.

Newer games will always find someway to make your performance drop.

[tranquil halo]

right

i've got a 5800x right now

i've had this pc for a while now. built it right before/in the middle of the 30 series launch

basically right when the scalpocalypse started

had to wait overnight at a best buy just to get my 3080 ti. its founders edition, but i think i did at least get it at msrp

wasn't there a motherboard brand that was bricking x3d cpus or something?

i remember reading about it

[fallen sphinx]

Asrock, but that was 9000 series

[tranquil halo]

which is the one we're discussing

[fallen sphinx]

ASUS?

Yeah

That’s fixed though

[tranquil halo]

not...technically. asus doesn't own asrock anymoe, and they were technically always seperate companies

or its owned under the asus umbrella?

[fallen sphinx]

Oh

ASUS had X3d issues

Asrock has 9000 series issues

[tranquil halo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/1n5r1vd/same_user_loses_another_ryzen_7_9800x3d_on_asrock/

[fallen sphinx]

Ok

[tranquil halo]

seems people are definitely talking about both 9000 series and x3d in conjunction

but mostly 9000 series

[fallen sphinx]

Asrock has 9000 series issues, ASUS had X3d issues for a while but its fixed now

[tranquil halo]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/asrock-confirms-its-bios-settings-are-killing-ryzen-cpus-is-fully-committed-to-fixing-any-damaged-motherboards

this is from may so yeah its a little old

so asus boards are...a mixed bag, and x870 boards are having issues

mmmm the tuf mb only has 1 5.0 m.2

[fallen sphinx]

thats plenty?

[tranquil halo]

or am i looking at the wrong one

[fallen sphinx]

pcie 5 m.2 are not only extremely hot but also dont provide much benefit unless youre doing video editing

[tranquil halo]

fair

and thats probbaly going to be the case for...a long time

[fallen sphinx]

actually

if you dont have proper cooling on a pcie5 ssd its worse than a pcie4 ssd

[tranquil halo]

oof

ew what is this, the x16 slot is pcie 4.0

[fallen sphinx]

no?

b650e main x16 slot is always pcie5

[tranquil halo]

well then i hope this is a typo

[snow dragon]

Even if it was, it doesn't matter as much as you think it does

Really it doesn't matter at all

[fallen sphinx]

wait what

[tranquil halo]

probably not but why in the world would you include 5.0 and not make all the main slots 5.0

[fallen sphinx]

uh

[tranquil halo]

uh

which country version is your website

[fallen sphinx]

USA

[tranquil halo]

im looking at the tuf gaming b650e-e wifi

[fallen sphinx]

its a typo

its pcie5

to be a b650e it needs a pcie 5x16 slot

[tranquil halo]

lol

so an asus tuf b650e-e is a perfectly serviceable motherboard that won't have whatever problems are plaguing the x870 series

[fallen sphinx]

yup

[tranquil halo]

but i do have to drive 4 hours to pick it up

[fallen sphinx]

hm

how much in gas would that be

[tranquil halo]

well depends

[fallen sphinx]

i mean idt its gonna be like over 60$ for both ways though right?

[tranquil halo]

228 miles, i get roughly, probably around 380 minimum per tank

gas where i live is dirt cheap at $2.40/gallon

[fallen sphinx]

hm

[tranquil halo]

so i can get there and halfway back on like $25 in gas

[fallen sphinx]

itll cost more to get it online then go instore

plus imo getting to see a microcenter is always really cool

[tranquil halo]

yeah i did a build on pcpartpicker vs the microcenter website and by the end it was hundreds of dollars cheaper

like cheaper by a margin where, tax and shipping taken into considering, i could have afforded to pay the $250 for them to assemble it and still saved money

[fallen sphinx]

no its about a 100$ difference

[tranquil halo]

but i would have to make absolutely 100% sure the item would be there when i got there

[fallen sphinx]

maybe a bit more

130$ from what im seeing

[tranquil halo]

i mean for an entire pc build

[fallen sphinx]

oh

only get those 2 from microcenter

they have really overpriced stuff otherwise

[tranquil halo]

it was like $600 cheaper

[fallen sphinx]

except maybe ram

nope ram too

[tranquil halo]

that combo should leave me enough money to buy the case i want and a cooler

out of the $800 or so I'll have available

by black friday

[fallen sphinx]

what case?

[tranquil halo]

https://www.antec.com/product/case/flux-pro

[fallen sphinx]

thats a solid case but not a 200$ solid case 😭

[tranquil halo]

this is basically the best replacement i can find for my current case. which is a Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2

which is just a ridiculously overkill case

also its only $164.99 on newegg, and $169.99 at microcenter

i don't remember if it was cheaper the last time i looked or not

i made a dang microcenter build but i cannot find the link i had for it for the life of me

ah here it is

https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/custom-pc-builder.aspx?load=4b3e57cf-d41e-47fc-8924-1b31899df789

yeah i guess i was paying $190 for that case

but after the rest of the savings it would have been worth it

looks like some prices changed massively since the last time i looked at it

now its like $200 more than my pcpartpicker build

newegg has some 5080's on sale

i guess a new power supply is probably its own conversation with all the 50 series cards burning their connectord

[unique tundra]

You can also buy a 5080 fe current from NVIDIA

[tranquil halo]

true

but unless im worried about tarrifs making them 50% more expensive in the next 30 days, it doesn't do me any good to buy a 5080 when a 3080 ti is already bottlenecked by my current cpu, and it would probably take me another 3 months to afford the cpu/mb again

i could afford a $999 5080 by black friday

but I wouldn't be able to afford a $999 5080 and $529 cpu+mb

[snow dragon]

Don't let the fact that it is a bottleneck make you upgrade

[unique tundra]

Bottlenecks really depend on the game

[snow dragon]

Is the 3080 ti fast enough for you

Because if it is, then keep it

[tranquil halo]

to be entirely honest, its not as good as i'd like it to be. I like my minimum fps to be around 90, and im becoming sadder by the day as new games come out and i can no longer have settings on ultra

like its been GREAT

[snow dragon]

Tbh

Ultra was always a waste of compute

High looks indistinguishable from ultra 95% of the time

[tranquil halo]

but with the way games are going its starting to fall behind the curve that i've been accustomed to. though i don't know if the performance increase will even be a huge difference or not

[snow dragon]

5080 is roughly 50% faster

[tranquil halo]

any reccomendations for power supply brands these days?

[snow dragon]

You can widen that gap by taking advantage of the headroom nvidia left in the 5080

[fallen sphinx]

dont get that mobo, that gpu, that ram, that ssd, that psu, that aio

😭

all of them are crazily overpriced for 0 reason

or just bad like that aio

[snow dragon]

Damn I didnt even see that list

Brutal ssd

[tranquil halo]

to be entirely fair

nothing about the lists i made was any kind of budget friendly

like i had my budget set at $3k

and a bunch of those things are no longer the price they were when i originally added them

[snow dragon]

Ah ok

Yeah things move around a lot

Especially nand

[tranquil halo]

like that list came out to around $2600 or something when i made it originally

[snow dragon]

Even if you aren't trying to be budget friendly, the power supply is pretty damn expensive

Unless that changed too

[tranquil halo]

so that power supply was chosen because it has a built in voltage sensor for the 12vhp

[fallen sphinx]

everything is terrible on that list 😭

[snow dragon]

There are some other companies making sensing power supplies

Hold up

[tranquil halo]

whats wrong with the aio? wasn't the liquid freezer II like the best one available?

its what i've got now

[snow dragon]

Yeah the aio is fine

[tranquil halo]

yeah i'd love to have one, at least SOME sort of safety net from my future card blowing up

[snow dragon]

If anything I would prefer the older freezer

Because the pro fans are loud as hell

[tranquil halo]

i've heard there are some really good dual tower air coolers nowadays

[fallen sphinx]

240mm sucks

esp for that aio

just get the bundle from microcenter, they dont have good prices on other stuff

[tranquil halo]

oof

https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/custom-pc-builder-amd.aspx?load=b8a5013c-6c0c-4232-97da-4325333daf85

new list

$2500

[fallen sphinx]

the only thing really worth getting from microcenter is that bundle

they dont really offer any other parts at their online prices

[tranquil halo]

I mean. If you can get me a list of ~comparable parts for cheaper (shipping at least thought about) id be happy to have it

[tranquil halo]

What does this mean

[fallen sphinx]

the only thing they offer thats a lower price than online is that bundle

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sDDMjn

and the 5080 is still gonna be overpriced, would highly recommend not getting it

also that ram is like wayyyy better

[tranquil halo]

I dont know half those brands, that looks like a house fire waiting to happen

And i generally just dont know what to think about pny gpu

[crimson zinc]

They’re all well known, trusted

[crimson zinc]

Pny is one of the oldest gpu makers in the game

[tranquil halo]

I cant trust parts from brands ive literally never heard of that dont even have reviews. The 1st 2 things i do on pcpartpicker are click 3+ star reviews and put the cost at like $2 min so it only shows parts with current and available pricing

Its just a step too far out of my personal comfort zone

I think ive always found pny gpus odd because theyd show up by themselves on like, office depot

So ive always seen them as like, office supplies, not a gaming product

[crimson zinc]

Reviews on pcpp are useless

[snow dragon]

This is how asus gets away with rog tax

[crimson zinc]

I’ve used 2 Pny GPU’s

Never had an issue

[snow dragon]

That this is better because of some type of image or association when really they perform just as well, but there is some brand attachment

[tranquil halo]

Klevv, netac, and montech, never heard of those brands in my life

[crimson zinc]

But pcpp reviews are from a very small minority of people

[snow dragon]

They all get their chips from nvidia, and all source their vram from the same companies

[crimson zinc]

Montech makes some of the best cases in the market
Klevv makes some of the best storage

Netac is less well known

[snow dragon]

I think that drive is not the best when it comes to qc, and unless I am getting mixed up with another drive they made, they also part swapped it and it now ships with qlc instead of tlc

[tranquil halo]

I want the antec flux pro because i like that case. I looked at tons of cases and its the only one i liked. And i think for the cooler id just spend a little more and get the peerless assassin. But as far as ram and power supply, yeah i just dont know much about either of those coponents in general

[snow dragon]

Klevv also was in a part swap controller conundrum that was causing some failures, some firmware stuff or whatever

I think for secondary drives these are ok

Just my opinion though

[tranquil halo]

And thats why i stay with brands i know, lol. Even if they probably have the same problems...

Samsung, kingston, and patriot have never let me down

[snow dragon]

Klevv ram is perfectly ok though

With ssds you can find some cheaper and/or better alternatives that are still great and extremely reliable

If I was making the list I would just change the ssd and case

Rest is good

This list is also good

Just saying I would change it for personal preference, even if it did cost a little more

[tranquil halo]

I wish i had a better understanding of ram. I watched a jayz2cents video the other day about where people overspend and underspend when building pcs, and he had a segment on ram but i csnt remember off the top of my head what was said. Might have been something along the lines of get better timing over speed or something

[snow dragon]

But there is a line where it gets too expensive

[snow dragon]

There are some gskill kits that have some absolutely wild prices

Makes no sense to me

[tranquil halo]

Power supplies i have the least information on. I just dont know a thing about them other than wattage and efficiency. I had that expensive rog one picked becauss it had a voltage sensor for the 12vhp. And while apparently aome other psu's have that, i cant find it advertised

And i think i had that issue last time i was looking as well

[snow dragon]

The faster kits get much more expensive, but the prices still vary a lot depending on the company

And the gains won't really be worth it anymore

Unless you know ram overclocking and take it even further

Which is probably why those certain gskill kits are so expensive

Because they are probably binned better

But the out of the box gains you get have much worse price to performance relative to something not much slower in the real world

He chose that cl28 kit for you because the faster one is actually better value this time surprisingly

The cheapest cl30 kit is like $5 cheaper so might as well get the faster ram

If cl30 didnt get nuked he would have picked that

[tranquil halo]

Hmmm

Im not sure what im going to do with this information long term. I basically need to decide if i want a cpu+mb or gpu

And the cpu+mb really comes first

[snow dragon]

Well you were talking about that video he made and it basically came down to it is really easy to overspend on faster ram

But the reason you have faster ram is because it is as fast as the slower ram

[snow dragon]

I thought you already picked the combo

[tranquil halo]

Correct

[snow dragon]

Sorry I meant to say the price is the same lmao

[tranquil halo]

I csn either afford the mb+cpu combo, or i can afford the gpu. I cannot afford both at the same time

[snow dragon]

We love sleep deprivation

[tranquil halo]

Brother its 1 and i wake up at 5, kill me lmao

Changing to first shift suuuuuuuucks, i cannot get to sleep on time

[snow dragon]

Id say get the combo

msrp availability for the 5080 is plenty

That msrp pny has been around for a long time

[snow dragon]

[gentle pollen]

It is I, I am back!

[gentle pollen]

It's a issue related to users running X3D cpus typically with two-three things happening at once:

• 1. Bad cooling solution
• 2. Voltages were set to high for the cooling solution they had
• 3. CPU wasn't mounted perfectly in the socket

@tranquil halo are you still here?

[tranquil halo]

Unfortunately

Also...no to that parts list lmao

Im doing a 9800x3d

Lol

[gentle pollen]

?

What is wrong with the list?

[tranquil halo]

It doesnt have a 9800x3d or a 5080

[gentle pollen]

In a $850 budget???

[tranquil halo]

That was never my overall budget limit?

[gentle pollen]

Wait, do I have you mixed up with someone else?

[tranquil halo]

Maybe

[gentle pollen]

🤦‍♂️ yep.

[tranquil halo]

Lol

[gentle pollen]

You and QCorgi both have names starting with Q

[tranquil halo]

Pfft

[gentle pollen]

@versed current here is the parts list for your friend.
Total cost is $912 with extremely good parts for the cost. If your friend wants, he can downgrade the CPU to a 8500G to save $20 for similar performance, and save another $10 by going with the black version of the selected case though then everything won't be color matched.

Cheaper than Refurb/New LGA1700 and better value than AM4.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ApexGenesis/saved/HYshmG

[unique tundra]

just buy the 5080fe

[tranquil halo]

welp, i have made my mistakes

got 5080 and cpu+mb combo at microcenter, gonna pick up this weekend

gpu was same price at every retailer so didn't matter where i got it from

ordered case, power supply, and cooler from amazon, should be here saturday, same day i go to pick up stuff at microcenter

ordered ram off newegg, it was the first thing i could find that would be here before monday, says its gonna come friday

i'll use my current hard drives, but it looks like thats the only thing i'll be able to salvage unless i want to swap the fans, but the new comes comes with 5 fans pre-installed

and then i might be able to sell my old pc to make up some money back

[mental hazel]

or OB 5070 ti for $300 less 😉

[unique tundra]

But my 1 extra video encoder

[snow dragon]

9070 has two

[unique tundra]

Too bad it’s amd

[snow dragon]

Yeah yeah, rock and stone…

[fallen sphinx]

did you get the list you sent?

[tranquil halo]

im getting the 9800x3d+asus tuf b650e-e combo, and the pny 5080 at microcenter. I dropped from the antec flux pro just the antex flux. dropped from a 1000watt psu to a well reviewed 850watt. was hoping i could use my current ram but it seems like the new gen doesn't support ddr4? so i had to find the cheapest ddr5 32gb set i could get by saturday, ended up being being this
https://www.newegg.com/patriot-memory-viper-venom-32gb-ddr5-6400-cas-latency-cl32-desktop-memory-black/p/0RN-002U-004U1?Item=0RN-002U-004U1&_gl=1*1822gzg*_gcl_aw*R0NMLjE3NjE3Njk2MjMuQ2owS0NRanc5b2JJQmhDQUFSSXNBR0htMW1RdzItVkxuZDAzM2c4V24wbWg3dmV1WVI1dUUwWk9TN1NCTmVJeFd2Z2g5al80NWNOczNSMGFBaFFDRUFMd193Y0I.*_gcl_dc*R0NMLjE3NjE3Njk2MjMuQ2owS0NRanc5b2JJQmhDQUFSSXNBR0htMW1RdzItVkxuZDAzM2c4V24wbWg3dmV1WVI1dUUwWk9TN1NCTmVJeFd2Z2g5al80NWNOczNSMGFBaFFDRUFMd193Y0I.*_gcl_au*MTkyNDY0MzgxMS4xNzYwNjU3OTM1*_ga*MTQyMzQ1MzQyNC4xNzQ5NzM4MDQ1*_ga_TR46GG8HLR*czE3NjE3Njk2MjMkbzUkZzEkdDE3NjE3Njk2MzMkajUwJGwwJGgxMzUyMTYzNjcz

[fallen sphinx]

nice nice, do you want a psu recomendation?

[tranquil halo]

got the thermaltake peerless assassin 140 tower cooler

[tranquil halo]

ordered this power supply amazon.com/dp/B0CB9MSJ5N?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

if everything that needs to be shipped gets here by/on saturday like it says it will, and im able to go to microcenter this weekend, i should be able to build my new pc sunday

gonna re-use my current m.2 drives

and with that i should be able to sell my current pc without having to tear it apart

and make some of the money back

[fallen sphinx]

try to return that psu if you can

[tranquil halo]

why

[fallen sphinx]

its not good

[tranquil halo]

you got an option that will be here by saturday that i can order through amazon?

[fallen sphinx]

plus you can get a 1050w thats better for way cheaper

[tranquil halo]

because it specifically needs to be here by saturday and go through amazon for financing reasons

And i need a little more convincing than a psu from a brand ive never heard of that looks like all of 5 people have ever purchased it

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yJkqqs/montech-century-ii-1050-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-century-ii-1050w

the unit you choose is a B on the main psu tier list, which isnt the best for a high end build, and this psu is A, which is the reccomended for a high end system

while also being cheaper + higher wattage

[tranquil halo]

Wait what tier list

[fallen sphinx]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/edit?gid=931697732#gid=931697732\

[tranquil halo]

I was able to cancel the other one and get Saturday shipping on that one

[fallen sphinx]

nice nice, itll serve you very well

[weary galleon]

might be able to shave it down a little with a 7500F. The real play would be looking for a used GPU.

[crimson zinc]

Official Jawa store on Jawa.gg has some good deals rn

[versed current]

Can anyone make me a black pc with new parts

[fallen sphinx]

budget and country?

[versed current]

USA

900

But it’s can wiggle a little

It’s for a friend again

[snow dragon]

dawg chose to build a pc during a ram shortage

[versed current]

I built during a gpu shortage!

[snow dragon]

Yeah this ram shortage isnt that bad tbh

The one in 2018 was really really bad

[weary galleon]

pretty sure Alpha already did this for you

[versed current]

It’s not black

And there used parts

[weary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[fallen sphinx]

how flexible?

[snow dragon]

$150 16 gb 3200

[versed current]

Try to keep it to 900

It can go up to 1000 or a little more tho

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G6ZPPJ ig

[weary galleon]

refurb isn't the same used. if you don't want refurb you should mention that. Also prices are just waky rn and white is cheaper fyi

[snow dragon]

there is kingston fury cl30 for 140

[versed current]

I did twll him that

All he rlly wants is an ok pc that can macro bee swarm

[snow dragon]

Damn that case go hard

[weary galleon]

actually idk why Alpha put a $50 cpu cooler in there lmfao

[fallen sphinx]

oh gg

[versed current]

Yea it doesn’t need an aio lol

[snow dragon]

[versed current]

Can u put an rgb fan and case?

[snow dragon]

How is that cooler master psu

[versed current]

It’ll be fine if it goes a touch over 1k

[fallen sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/garou-one-punch-man-anime-opm-season-3-gif-8640489578546184390

[fallen sphinx]

B+ i think

yeah

[snow dragon]

Nice

[versed current]

What’s that mean?

[snow dragon]

What about the fan

I guess for atx that doesnt matter much

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MnBY3w

[versed current]

I swear m atx mobos look funny in atx cases

Or am I just wrong

[weary galleon]

smaller case with rgb fans, rgb on the cpu cooler as well
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7zLKfd

also ssd is tlc instead of qlc

[versed current]

What’s that mean?

I love that case an wish i went with it 😭

Those fish tank ones are so clean

And do I have to do anything special with the cpu or is it just like the x and normal ones

I’ve never used an f

[weary galleon]

TLC tends to be higher quality. Much better endurance than QLC

[versed current]

Ok!

I have that same ssd in mine

Can u find a good monitor for the build?

[weary galleon]

7500F performs basically the same as a 7600/x, but doesn't have an iGPU.

[versed current]

Which it doesn’t need cuz it has a gpu?

Ok

Thanks!

[crimson zinc]

@pulsar onyx so, the pc part thing most people use is
https://pcpartpicker.com/

it allows us to see your parts, make recommendations, and get cost estimations.

Since you’ll have an idea of what you’re getting, ill start one for yoy

[weary galleon]

I'd look for a 1440p 165+hz panel. IPS will have less smearing/better motion clarity, VA will have better colors. RTings is a good place to look at monitor reviews

[versed current]

And just double checking

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cqnF74

[versed current]

Memoryc is a trust worth company?

[weary galleon]

I didn't notice that they were the ones offering the 7500F but i think they're trustworthy. You could also bump up to a 7600/x for $10 or so

[versed current]

Ok I’ll add it

[gentle pollen]

laying out an upgrade path, also it is cheap and for aesthetics will fill out the case.

[weary galleon]

Right, but with a 6700xt in there, a gpu upgrade is almost certainly going to be needed before a cpu upgrade

[frigid jackal]

Hi idk if I can ask here but I’m having issues with like port forwarding using xfinity and I’m js not sure how to fix it
My cousin is here and he has a router connected to the main internet modem thing or whatever and then he connects to it using his computer to show he’s somewhere else than where he actually is
I try to open or forward a port that he needs and jt says it works but it actually doesn’t at all

[fallen sphinx]

get 7600x

its like a FEW dollars more

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LNXpXR

[weary galleon]

Yeah didn't realize the price diff was small at first but we did change it

[rain bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2sXNrM
Thoughts? Budget 1-1.5k, current monitor is a VA panel 1080p 180 hz. For a first time PC builder

[frigid edge]

ill take a look

do you want a new monitor?

[rain bloom]

I think he'll be fine with what he has

[frigid edge]

oh not for you got it

[rain bloom]

Nah I just did a 1440 build and I'm not new lol

[weary galleon]

does he need wifi?

[rain bloom]

I suppose no, had to double check

[frigid edge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2NzRDj
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y3R6C8

[rain bloom]

5070 costing more for less ram is still mind boggling to me tbh

[weary galleon]

Here's my take:

• swapped cooler (much better, similar price)
• swapped ssd (flat out better for cheaper)
• swapped motherboard (much cheaper, still a great board)
• skip the 5060ti, its really meh. Go for 9070 or 9060xt
• swapped PSU for a pretty decent unit thats on a good sale rn
  https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mBvch7

[stoic island]

it's the core that matters and not vram for most applicable tasks

[weary galleon]

in general but especially if he goes for the 9070 I'd recommend a 1440p monitor at some point

[rain bloom]

He's still in nursing school, he'll have plenty of time for 1440 if he wants it lol

Micro ATX board works in a normal ATX case?

[weary galleon]

yep

could also get a matx case if you wanted

[rain bloom]

I just went with the case I built in most recently, any recommendations?

[weary galleon]

if he likes the fishtank aesthetic there's this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2qXMnQ/diypc-argb-m1-microatx-mini-tower-case-argb-m1-bk
or this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/m7bRsY/bgears-b-pellucid-microatx-mini-tower-case-bg01756
This is also a nice case but would need some extra fans:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zJWJ7P/phanteks-xt-pro-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523p1-bk01

wood front:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rk8Pxr/diypc-diy-matx06-wood-microatx-mini-tower-case-diy-matx06-wood

[rain bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8rtb74
Any issues/optimizations with this?

[snow dragon]

Nah looks good

[rancid geode]

My mb died so I'm planning to upgrade from AM4 to AM5.
For now I'm only buying mb+cpu+ram. Is it good?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QKR8fd

• ASRock B850M Pro RS WiFi $159.99
• AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor $358.00
• Kingston FURY Beast 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory $139.99

[fallen sphinx]

What country

I’m guessing USA?

Get a better motherboard

[rancid geode]

I'm in Japan but prices look similar

I just realized I picked the wrong motherboard

Changed to: ASRock B850M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard

[fallen sphinx]

Ok, just try to avoid Asrock motherboards for that cpu

And try to get 6000 cl36/cl30 ram

[rancid geode]

Ok, what manufacturer do you recommend?

For the motherboard

[fallen sphinx]

Any except Biostar and Asrock

Just avoid the A620 or b840 series

[rancid geode]

Thanks

[hollow gulch]

you will be fine with that board just update bios to latest

[gentle pollen]

This is correct.

@crimson zinc, @fallen sphinx ASRock boards have been safe for a while now.

The causes for the damaged CPUs are a combination of users setting unsafe voltages (ASRock allows it since they cater to overclockers), bad cooling, and poor pin contact when inserting the CPU.

[fallen sphinx]

But they are also low end boards esp for a 7800x3d

[gentle pollen]

A HDV can handle a 7800x3D just fine.

[gentle pollen]

The B850M Pro is overkill vrm wise for a 7800x3D.

The riptides are fine, nothing fancy.

Anyways the point is, update the bios and don't set dangerous settings and you're fine on ASRock boards.

[snow dragon]

7800x3d barely ever hits its power limit

Thing barely uses power

Talking like 50-80w

Like yeah the temps are higher but not because it uses a lot of power

[hollow gulch]

the pro rs is midrange

lowend would be much worse lol

and like @gentle pollen said a 4 vcore phase vrm config can handle a 7800x3d just fine, even the 7950X works just fine on the HDV under full load.

HDV uses 4+4 doubled for vcore

[hollow gulch]

why not buy a 9600X for like $10 more lol

might as well

[gentle pollen]

A 7950x feels like a stretch. Doable but not ideal by any means.

The single ccd cards for certain though.

My 7950x, unlimited power will draw 250w or more in a very heavy all core load.

[hollow gulch]

Well in all core loads it didnt throttle the cpu or vrm, thats at stock, if you attempt overclocking you'd obviously get some worse scores

Its not ideal but it can do it without any regression

[teal dome]

https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-mwe-gold-750-v2-atx12v-750-w-80-plus-gold-certified-power-supply-mpe-7501-afaag-us/p/N82E16817171181?item=N82E16817171181 how good is this?
theres a deal on it rn
70 rn

[hollow gulch]

Good deal, 850W montech is $20 if you need 12vhpwr

[teal dome]

20 dollar cheaper or expensive ? wdym by 12vhpwr, sorry im kinda new to building

[hollow gulch]

$20 more I meant

12vhpwr is the connector that newer nvidia gpus use, and a few 9070 xt models like the nitro+ and taichi

[teal dome]

oh, planning to get a 9060xt so i think its fine, can i drop the parpicker list and can i get some suggestions if possible?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cwcgVF

[hollow gulch]

Yeah whats your budget

[teal dome]

less than 1k if possible, 1.1k max

bought some parts already

got the aio for free with cpu

the ram is a placeholder, willing to wait out for deals

[hollow gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/66hNrM

[teal dome]

300 dollar ram ?

[hollow gulch]

What

Its $140

[hollow gulch]

Do you have newegg only selected in filters? Use all retailers.

[teal dome]

oh ok

[teal dome]

also is 9060xt a good gpu for 1440p

[snow dragon]

If you play games that run well, yes

I am doing great with that card

[teal dome]

wdym, like optimized well ?

[snow dragon]

Yeah

[hollow gulch]

decent, probably the lowest tier id go for 1440p

[snow dragon]

Yeah

The experience will be bad if you play the new unreal engine 5 games

[fickle bolt]

How do the cables work

@ember wasp

[ember wasp]

@fickle bolt

[fickle bolt]

Neat

Left or right side of desk

[ember wasp]

This is left side case bro

[fickle bolt]

Ah

[frigid edge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-angry-ishowspeed-overwhelmed-i-show-speed-ishowspeed-early-stream-gif-10270539420371864887

[gentle pollen]

Here is a $990 budget build I whipped up. 12600K + 9070 XT 16GB + 2x16GB D5 at 6400c32
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/knJQpK

[analog hearth]

@rocky ridge may I ask why you specifically need two 16x slots? Would this be something for Lossless Scaling?
#general-chat message

Pretty much all ATX motherboards have at least two 16x slots. Just look around and see what's available

[rocky ridge]

I already have 1 5090, am trying to get another

[analog hearth]

So you need another motherboard? If you have an ATX motherboard, you should already have two 16x slots

[rocky ridge]

I don't think I have enough room. I got a pre built, checking to see Mobo model

[analog hearth]

What's this second 5090 for btw?

[rocky ridge]

I believe Mobo is MSI Infinite RS AI 2NVZ9-1290US

[rocky ridge]

LMStudio and some other AI inference

Was going to see if I could play around with running models with larger context sizes, split across two gpus

[analog hearth]

Ahh gotcha. I use LM Studio too but that's because I have an AMD GPU. Why not use Ollama?

[rocky ridge]

I honestly haven't played around with ollama much. I've just been using the OpenAI API spec that LMStudio provides to write apps with

I'd love it if they made a PCIE model that was just straight up a vram expansion

5090 is overkill for inference in most cases and is just bottlenecked by only having 32gb vram

I'd love to find someone who could mod more memory on it

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/upgraded-nvidia-rtx-5090-gets-128gb-vram-and-usd13-000-price-tag-super-limited-gpu-is-described-as-a-prototype

I'd pay another $1000 for that any day

[fallen sphinx]

So a pro 6000 Blackwell super…

[mental hazel]

possible if they got sample chips from memory vendors for future 32Gb GDDR7, but it's most likely fake news

[rocky ridge]

I'd love to see it be legitimate. There have been previous confirmed upgrades that usually double vram, not quadruple

From what I saw in the article, it said it requires an entire custom PCB

I'd settle for double memory without new PCB

[mental hazel]

those use 2 way clamshell, and/or existant and public 24Gb modules. this would require 32Gb modules which are unannounced and likely quite a way away

afaik clamshell mode only supports 16 bit wide lane splitting. you'd have to cut it to 8 bits per module for a 4 wide clamshell, which inferencing from GDDR6 and DDR, would most likely be really subpar for any kind of operation since iirc GDDR7 uses >8 bit burst operations

[rocky ridge]

Are they really quite a ways away? Or are they gate kept for enterprise?

[mental hazel]

no enterprise product current exists using anything >24Gb GDDR7 modules. HBM? sure. but that requires an entirely different memory controller, ie not a GB202 die

[rocky ridge]

Fair. I've seen some of the newer prosumer AI cards, but I'm not impressed with the inference performance on those.

I have a deposit on the framework PC still

With 96 gb vram (I think, or 128)

[mental hazel]

afaik HBM has gone to 32Gb stacks for a while now, i want to say even dual stacked 32Gb blocks for combined 64Gb, but i may be misremembering. worth noting that even the 24Gb GDDR7 modules are pretty recent

[mental hazel]

96GB makes sense if it's a Blackwell card. clamshelled 24Gb modules gets you to 96GB on a 512 bit wide memory controller

[rocky ridge]

For now, the 5090 does practically everything I need, though it doesn't alleviate the need for a Claude Max subscription

The cost to run anything over 32b models locally gets exponentially higher

[mental hazel]

i am not as familiar with how ML models work as i would like, but i would assume that as long as (relatively) high precision floats are unecessary, in theory Blackwell should be able to run much faster than it currently does once FP4 gains some wider adoption

in theory 2x FP8 performance

i'm not sure if that already scrapes the bottom of the barrel in terms of how little precision you can get away with though

[rocky ridge]

Yea, the main limitations I run into for coding are context size.

Some of the really nice models that I can run locally can only fit 16-32k tokens, which isn't great unless you're really scoping out its usage well.

[mental hazel]

i figured. the fact that a theoretically vastly faster operation didn't immediately become mainstream sorta triggered alarm bells for me

[rocky ridge]

But the good models can be used for smaller bits and pieces, like I wrote a script that uses deepseek OCR and Seed-OSS to scrape police reports, and turn it into structured data, and guestimate damages

[mental hazel]

coming soon to Blackwell-Next: FP2- theoretically faster, because what's practicality when you're printing money?

[rocky ridge]

I think we still could have more architectural changes in the ways LLMs run that could make context sizes less relevant

I think deepseek-ocr uses vision tokens which are compressible and could net a larger effective context size

[frigid edge]

wow that is very good

[mental hazel]

my only critique is that at the price that 12600k and board is at, you could get a refurb b650 and a used 7700/x instead. but for an all new build very very solid

that cooler should come with preapplied paste too, so they can save $7 on that if they want 😅

[gentle pollen]

Wasn't sure if it did or not.

[mental hazel]

afaik all of the TR coolers come with paste. either a small tube or preapplied. i've had a couple of their models and they've all had some

[gentle pollen]

Mhmm agreed. Though the purpose is to have a all new build I can just hand someone if needed.

[mental hazel]

totally fair

[weary galleon]

Yeah thermalright coolers come with a mini tube. Stuff’s pretty decent, similar to arctic mx4 I think

[mental hazel]

i couldn't remember which it was but i know all of mine have had paste one way or the other

[zealous moth]

4070 super (15000 ntd)
or 4070 ti (16000ntd or above)

[mental hazel]

they're effectively the same card

[hollow gulch]

no

the 4070 ti is faster by around 10% on average

[hollow gulch]

are these your only options in this price range?

[hollow gulch]

https://24h.pchome.com.tw/prod/DSBC0B-A900J0388

[snow dragon]

I like steel legend dark

Interesting design

[tranquil halo]

Welp

Just put together ny new build, and ive got the dreaded "wont turn on"

The only reaction i can seem to get out of it is hesring a click in the power supply when i press the power button, but nothing seems to happen. It doesnt click again if i press the power button again, but it will if i leave the psu off for 30 seconds or so and turn it back on and try again

All of the power cables seem to be seated just fine. Only concern is if maybe im either attaching the power button wrong to the front panel, or if ive got the wrong cables goiing to the cpu power. The mb has an 8 and a 4 pin. Ive got a 6+2 and a 4+4 going to it

[weary galleon]

That sounds like something in the the PSU is tripping

[stoic island]

Uhh you should not be using a 6+2 on the motherboard

Motherboard should only be 4+4

If you only have one of those cables, leave the 4 pin empty

[zealous moth]

Ha ha it’s a all white build don’t worry I’m still working it out

I’m on phone rn give you context later

I was considering those options cause of DLSS 3

But I realized

I can just play on medium settings and then tweek them a bit for the 7900GRR

[hollow gulch]

so FSR doesnt exist lol? also the 9070 GRE is a faster card in gaming anyway

[zealous moth]

More than expansive less vram I like some veam

FSR exists I just thought fsr3 was bad until I remembered it wasn’t

7900GRE is better than the 9070 GRE

Although yeah

I still have until January

[hollow gulch]

? all the cards you asked about buying have 12gb vram

[hollow gulch]

that card has fsr4 suppoort

[hollow gulch]

uh no

lol

9070 GRE is better

[zealous moth]

That sweet sweet vram and price though

[tranquil halo]

For the cpu?

[hollow gulch]

for 1440p 12gb is enough, the extra on a 7900 GRE will not benefit you at all

it barely costs any more than the 4070 ti you mentioned.

[zealous moth]

so um

i just found out

i can shove a 9070XT

in the build

[tranquil halo]

@stoic island IT LIVES!!!! took out the 6+2, plugged in the 4+4 into the cpu spot and left the extra 4 pin empty, and it powered on. did some spooky stuff in the bios and i think it had to memory train or something for a few minutes but im into windows!

[buoyant ledge]

Hello

Why cant I post pics here

My xbox rog ally won't let me sign in

It just says something happened

And my pin doesn't work

Even tho it was working the day before

[stoic island]

Yea be careful with that next time, 6+2 is pcie 8 pin, the pin out is different from the 4+4 8 pin, it wasn't booting before because it was short circuiting and your PSUs protections were forcing it off before it could do real damage

[weary galleon]

If you chat for a bit you’ll level up and be able to send pics

[tranquil halo]

Its been like 4 years since i built a pc so i was quite confused. Will there be any downsides to not having that 4 pin powered?

[weary galleon]

I believe it provides a bit of extra cpu power for overclocking or high wattage cpus. If you have the 4+4 installed you're probably fine

4+4 does over 300W I think

[buoyant ledge]

Hi

[little osprey]

hi guys, looking to upgrade from a ryzen 5600x & a 3060

was considering a 5070 & a b650 motherboard, not sure about CPU & ram yet.

any recommendations? 😁

[stoic island]

Best case scenario, grab one of the microcenter 7600x bundles, put any saved money into a better GPU, or just the usual 7600x + 2x16 6000c30 (or c36 at this rate of price increases), and you should still be able to squeeze in a base 9070

[gentle pollen]

You should be able to grab a low end 7000 series (Zen4) AM5 platform cpu for about $180 new or if it's in stock, you can grab a 7600x or even a 7700x for about $130-150 as refurbished from the Newegg site (only works if you are in the United States).

[little osprey]

No microcenter near me 😭

[fallen sphinx]

id go 9070/xt and a 7600x

[little osprey]

What is a 9070xt

Is that amd

[weary galleon]

Yes

[little osprey]

nahhh

i'd rather an nvidia card

[weary galleon]

9070 and 9070xt are probably the best price/perf cards rn

[little osprey]

im never daily driving linux on my gaming desktop so idc about shitty drivers

[weary galleon]

Do you need Nvidia for a specific reason? (AI or specific programs)

[fallen sphinx]

that doesnt matter, both currently have good drivers for windows

AMD genuinely offers identical performance to a 5070ti thats like 100$ more

[little osprey]

i prefer the low latency mode through nvidia control panel

also password cracking via hashcat is better with nvidia

[fallen sphinx]

AMD has that too?

[little osprey]

yo chill im not a criminal 😭

for ctf's / competitions @weary galleon

[little osprey]

i've never used it

honestly i'd just have more peace of mind with nvidia

[weary galleon]

Yeah that's a valid reason to go Nvidia if that's something you're into

[little osprey]

i prob will

[fallen sphinx]

5070 does suck though

[little osprey]

nah its good

[fallen sphinx]

its not at all

[little osprey]

it is trust

[fallen sphinx]

12gb vram is really bad for that card

[little osprey]

nah its good

[fallen sphinx]

get the 9070 over the 5070, but a 5070ti is fair

although yes a lot more expensive than a 9070xt at least they both have the same amount of vram

[little osprey]

no it isnt theyre like 900 dollars

[fallen sphinx]

what country are you in

[little osprey]

idrc for vram

US

[fallen sphinx]

what card is 900$

[fallen sphinx]

are you gaming at all on this pc?

[little osprey]

whatever 750 dollars

[little osprey]

yeah but vram isn't the direct contributor to performance

[fallen sphinx]

from what google is saying it helps a lot

[little osprey]

the 3060 has 12gb of vram and sucks

[fallen sphinx]

the 3060 is also slow

just dont get a 5070

whats your budget and do you care about how it looks

[little osprey]

well now i want to get it even more

no i dont care for looks as long as there is RGB

i want no rgb

[weary galleon]

Might as well get a 4070/4070 variant tbh. The 5070 is dookie

[little osprey]

so if a card has rgb & i can't disable it then im not buying it

[little osprey]

4070ti?

[fallen sphinx]

what budget

[little osprey]

theyre so expensive

Idk bro

500 something for a gpu i guess

[fallen sphinx]

total

for the whole system

[little osprey]

anything more is pointless

no

i already have a PC I'm just upgrading

[hollow gulch]

Just wait for 5070 super

[little osprey]

to am5 & new gpu

[fallen sphinx]

yes, whats the whole budget for that system

[little osprey]

uhhhhh

[hollow gulch]

Sell your old rig

[fallen sphinx]

^

[little osprey]

like 1000 i guess

why

[fallen sphinx]

sell the whole old rig and get a new one

[fallen sphinx]

whole rigs sell for more per part than the parts seperately

[hollow gulch]

Youre not getting am5 and a 5070 for 1k lol

[fallen sphinx]

yeah taht too

and you really wanna get a 5070ti

[little osprey]

wrong

[fallen sphinx]

no, no it is not

[little osprey]

idk why i cant sell images

but microcenter literally sells mobo + cpu bundle for 400

plus 5070

i'd go a bit over 1k ngl

like 1200

[fallen sphinx]

you said you dont have access to a microcenter

[little osprey]

i'll just drive to miami it's fine

[fallen sphinx]

also you need ram (130), psu (90), storage, etc

[weary galleon]

^

[fallen sphinx]

how long is that drive

[little osprey]

i think my psu is fine no?

[fallen sphinx]

sell the whole old system.

[little osprey]

like 4h but im going down there soon anyways

[fallen sphinx]

if youre close than yeah sure

[little osprey]

lowkey annoying but whatever

[little osprey]

for how much

3060 + 5600x

[fallen sphinx]

what other specs

[fallen sphinx]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5007213/amd-ryzen-5-7600x,-asus-b650e-max-gaming-wifi-am5,-cpu-motherboard-bundle get this bundle when you do

[little osprey]

uhhh corsair rm something, 850w power supply

corsair vengeance 3.6ghz ram
2 ssd's (1tb, 2tb)
1 harddrive (1tb)
peerless assassin (whatever it's called)

im very low effort bro i do not feel like building a new computer again

i just dont have the time/effort

[hollow gulch]

Lmao no

[fallen sphinx]

this is lower effort

[little osprey]

why

[hollow gulch]

Building a pc takes like an hour dude

[fallen sphinx]

itll take a LOT more effort to sell parts individually and then just build the pc anyways

[little osprey]

i know bro ive built like 5

[weary galleon]

Selling parts individually takes more effort and you'll make less $

[little osprey]

after the 3rd time it just gets boring / monotonous

[weary galleon]

Whole PC is a lot easier to sell

[little osprey]

i wasnt going to sell my individual parts

idk how that even entered the discussion

[weary galleon]

Just gonna keep the gpu/cpu/mobo?

[little osprey]

my cousin wants a PC i was just going to give her the parts

[little osprey]

nah

was going to give it to someone haven't decided yet

either my cousin or my gf's brother

[hollow gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9fcdBq cheapest you can get a 5070 build is $1250 lol

[weary galleon]

You could keep the case and psu then. 850W should be ok for the upgrade as long as it's a decent quality unit

[little osprey]

leaning towards my gf's brother just so my prized possession doesnt go towards genshin impact & valorant

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yFnWHW without storage you can get a 5070 with that bundle for a bit over 1k but id recommend getting a 5070ti with higher budget

[little osprey]

lmaaaaao

those are nice builds

[hollow gulch]

That cooler is awful and so is the ram

🤔

[little osprey]

those are worse CPU's then what i was planning though

[fallen sphinx]

the cooler is fine, can go for a rk if needed, and the ram i put is fine, and the ram you put is OOS anyways?

[hollow gulch]

You wanted to spend as little as possible

[little osprey]

nah i didnt say that

[fallen sphinx]

youre gonna need a much higher budget than 1200$ then

[hollow gulch]

Im not gonna argue, point stays the same

[little osprey]

it isn't that my budget is super tight, just that i don't want anything overkill for what i'll be playing

[hollow gulch]

90mm cooker

[little osprey]

like my main goal is honestly just to future-proof

[hollow gulch]

Cooler

Ok bud

[fallen sphinx]

then get the rk

[little osprey]

my 3060 & 5600x combo has lasted me since 2021

[fallen sphinx]

so no 5070

[little osprey]

5070 ISN'T futureproof?

bro that card just came out

[hollow gulch]

Its a 4070 refresh

12gb vram

You'd want a 16gb card for "future proofing"

[hollow gulch]

.

What are you doing with this pc

[fallen sphinx]

correct

[hollow gulch]

If youre just gaming a 9600X is more than enough

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rJWVjn id get this then

[little osprey]

bf6, arc raiders, brawlhalla, just little slopshit games

nothing insane

[hollow gulch]

You don't need to spend more

On a cpu

Unless you want a 7800X3D for $360

[little osprey]

was considering upgrading to a 1440p in the future but idk, i'd only do it if my current monitor breaks

and im on a zowie so maybe in 10yrs who knows

[snow dragon]

If you are playing lighter games then a 5070 is fine

[hollow gulch]

TN

[fallen sphinx]

he wants futureproof though

5070 is not futureproof at all

[little osprey]

yeah i got it when i used to sweat fps games 😭

lowkey my biggest regret but whatever

[little osprey]

futureproof for like

at least another 5 yrs

[snow dragon]

If a 3060 lasted you that long then the 5070 should do you well

[little osprey]

honestly the problem with futureproofing is literally that game devs do not want to optimize

[fallen sphinx]

if you really want future proof you can just get a 9070

[snow dragon]

y not 9070

[little osprey]

thats what i was thinking

[fallen sphinx]

he doesnt want amd for whatever reason

[little osprey]

i said why

[fallen sphinx]

does the hashing even use cuda?

[little osprey]

#building-and-recc-chat message

idk but i also want something thats plug & play

im sure i could get amd to work but whatever

[fallen sphinx]

youre acting like AMD isnt?

😭

they literally are both plug in, download drivers and play

[hollow gulch]

Get oled and youll be happy

🐱

[little osprey]

when my monitor breaks

[hollow gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HWTXKq this is what id get. Ram is unfortunately skyrocketing due to AI.

[little osprey]

yeah i noticed that too

[fallen sphinx]

he has access to a microcenter

[little osprey]

that's why im not really in a rush

oh yeah

microcenter caps prices right?

[fallen sphinx]

the ram you put is OOS, and he alr has ssds

[hollow gulch]

Which mc

[little osprey]

miami

[fallen sphinx]

also century II exists for a psu

[little osprey]

what is OOS

out of scope?

[fallen sphinx]

out of stock

[snow dragon]

He is right, nvidia does win for what he is doing

[fallen sphinx]

yheah i was looking it up on hashcat forums

[snow dragon]

Rdna 4 is still fast but cuda does better

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GKVswY id get this then

7600x microcenter bundle with the b650e

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5007213/amd-ryzen-5-7600x,-asus-b650e-max-gaming-wifi-am5,-cpu-motherboard-bundle

ram is really good, can easily overclock to like 6000 cl28

[little osprey]

is the 7800x3d not worth?

[fallen sphinx]

thats a gaming cpu

its really not good for much exept gaming

[snow dragon]

It has basically the same multicore performance as a 9600x

[hollow gulch]

No the 7800X3D is much better in multicore

[fallen sphinx]

hmmmm im looking it up and i cant tell if hashcat likes extra cpu cores

[hollow gulch]

It does

[fallen sphinx]

but to what extent

[snow dragon]

Oops because I was comparing pbo 9600x

Stock vs stock it is faster but the margin is small

Geekbench shows 15482 vs 14900

cpu z shows 7500 vs 6815

[stoic island]

If you need the multicore performance of the 7800x3d, just get a 7700x

[snow dragon]

I would just get the 9600x

[stoic island]

Unless the workload benefits from x3d, the extra cost is not worth it

[hollow gulch]

Its for gaming as well

[stoic island]

Best to put any extra money that would've gone into x3d into a better GPU before putting it into x3d

[hollow gulch]

5070 ti

[pulsar onyx]

Has anyone put a blu ray/cd player in their pc? Debating on doing it just for esthetics more than anything.. would i need any special connectors?

[crimson zinc]

I’ve got one. Usually just standard connectors. There’s a whole community devoted to them online

[pulsar onyx]

I love the look tbh and I have the corsair 110Q which I think would look very good with one

[crimson zinc]

https://youtu.be/W_82gYL3ec8?si=Qii9WAKSzEp7ZYrD

Just gotta get something compatible

[pulsar onyx]

Right that makes sense, much appreciated 👏 I figured there were a few people who still liked the older looks and value physical media

[crimson zinc]

Mine

[cinder gulch]

Hello all. Is this the correct channel if I wanted to ask a custom building PC question please?

[fickle bolt]

yea whats up

[cinder gulch]

So I built my gaming PC approx 13 years ago. It’s lasted for me, but I also don’t play every graphic intensive, cutting edge game. I am trying to build a new pc around Black Friday deals that will hopefully last me around that time, but I don’t want really to over $2500 max. I don’t need any peripherals just the PC.

Little out of the game and as much as I try and research typical Toms Hardware comparisons I’m just hoping to get a decent example of what to keep an eye open on for parts. Last time I built a pc i7 was still pretty new 😅

I think it’s a decent budget $2000-$2500 just want to get the best value for this budget

[fallen sphinx]

Hm

That budget isn’t great for value

Cause that’s the point where components start offering really bad value

[crimson zinc]

He doesn’t play the newest and graphically intensive games

So he doesn’t need a 5090

[fallen sphinx]

Smth like a 1500ish budget would offer much better value, or even the 1k ish budget

[cinder gulch]

When I say value I just mean that’s the max budget. For example when I say value, I mean not spending 50% more for 5% more power kind of thing

[fallen sphinx]

Uh

Just go for a lower budget or buy a new monitor

Tbh

Do you need new storage?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XhcZh7 (currently no storage) smth like this would play a lot of games really well without spending a lot

[cinder gulch]

Acer XV322QK V 31.5" 3840 x 2160 144 Hz Monitor
This is the monitor I have that I bought last Black Friday. I assume it can handle 4K never used it before because of my current PC

[fallen sphinx]

No

Please don’t 😭

[crimson zinc]

I’m at work so I didn’t put thought

[fallen sphinx]

It’s fine

Just 9900x sucks

[crimson zinc]

Get the 7800x3d

[cinder gulch]

I plan to try some newer graphics games and hopefully be able to last like my old PC.

[fallen sphinx]

Or just get the 7600x he doesn’t play intense games

[fallen sphinx]

Hm

Do you know which

[cinder gulch]

Nothing specific, trying to future proof as best as I can to get the best budget to longevity

Within the $2500 max budget

[fallen sphinx]

Hm

I’d say 7800x3d 9070xt then yeah

[crimson zinc]

Giving a 7800x3d or the 9800
And upgrading to a 9070xt

[fallen sphinx]

Actually

7800x3d is 400$ nvm

Yeah just stick with 7600x

[crimson zinc]

Could just go up to 9600x

Little bit more juice

For not a lot of cost

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XNbnb2

[crimson zinc]

You could give him a better motherboard

And the 9600x

Without putting too much more

[cinder gulch]

Yeah that’s kinda what I mean, finding the good pieces for the best longevity willing to spend a little more if the power is worth the $ for a little more

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scpx74

[cinder gulch]

Cool build, but only $1200. Of course I’m happy save money, but is this really all it costs for a nice long term PC nowadays? lol

I don’t want to have to rebuild in 5 years

[crimson zinc]

Pretty much

[fallen sphinx]

I mean

You can go for an 8c cpu

That’s help ig?

[crimson zinc]

Lemme build a little more juice

[cinder gulch]

Wow I just assumed with inflation that it would cost more than the $1700 I spent 13 years ago to build lol

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MDWnb2

8c and some faster ram

You could go with a much more expensive gpu for a little more power

[cinder gulch]

Cool build. I will need a good hard drive as well.

[fallen sphinx]

Get the ram I sent and the pro rs

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r6wwxg

[fallen sphinx]

SSD? Or hard drive

[cinder gulch]

SSD. I assume m.2 is the meta now?

[fallen sphinx]

Yes

[crimson zinc]

Why the pro RS

[fallen sphinx]

Good board and really cheap

[crimson zinc]

I’d suggest the ram I picked though

Lower CAS and 400mhz faster

CPU and mobo can support it

[cinder gulch]

Appreciate all this feedback for sure. Anything specific I need to buy to make sure that monitor I linked gets its max capability. My monitor before this never had much new tech at the time so I’m not familiar lol

[crimson zinc]

Display port cable

HDMI doesn’t quite do it anymore

[cinder gulch]

I’ll be checking Black Friday deals to try and snag good prices on these parts suggested for best value.

Def seems like you guys all recommend AMD over intel/nvidia now

[crimson zinc]

Yeah
High prices are bad

[fallen sphinx]

50$ more not worth it and you can oc the ram I sent the same anyways

[violet nexus]

Any good recs for a prebuilt that can run small games like LOL to heavily modded Minecraft. It’s for my fiance and I want to finally have my pc back haha

I don’t think he’d play play cyberpunk or forza but something that will run pretty well

[fallen sphinx]

i mean id really suggest building your own, youd save a lot of money, but if you want a prebuilt whats your budget

[frigid edge]

should build it

you’ll get better parts, performance, looks, and feeling of accomplishment

give a budget for one and we can help

I can start out by making a decent $1000 one tho if you want

[violet nexus]

Are these any good?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R78x89

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n3yL89

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZWcy6D

[frigid edge]

first one edited: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KvQ7mC
second one edited: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sLXLzP
third one edited:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pYCJ6Q

no point in getting a 4070 super when the 9070 exists

and 4080 is overpriced as heck compared to 7900xtx

if you want, give me a budget and i'll make a good list for it

like how much do you want to spend

[violet nexus]

Less than 2k

[frigid edge]

im on it

[frigid edge]

with monitor? or separate from >2k build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vZycJn here is with monitor

here is a much higher performant pc with no monitor https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KG4DGJ

[fallen sphinx]

eh

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gw4DGJ xtx is NOT worth almost 800$

[frigid edge]

it isnt?

doesnt it compete with 4080 super

[fallen sphinx]

4080

[frigid edge]

and then 24gb vram

[fallen sphinx]

and its about

6% faster

thats not worth 200$ more

to also lose rt and fsr4

[snow dragon]

Yeah 9070 xt is actually faster in rt

Not by much but it is faster

[obsidian wigeon]

24 gigs isn't all that needed tbh

unless you're running 4k

16 gigs does the job

[violet nexus]

I don’t really need super high performance

Like I don’t need 32 GB of ram

Honestly cheaper than 2k would be nice I wasn’t thinking

[weary galleon]

For AM5 32gb is pretty standard

[zealous moth]

as someone said

7900XTX can't even use the 24 Gs of Vram

[gentle pollen]

8GB still works for FHD too!

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

a bit of a problem in certain titles but 8 is still alright for the most part at 1080p

[gentle pollen]

SR (Single Rank, meaning modules are only on one side of the PCB) 8gig dimms for DDR5 perform worse than SR 16gig dimms.

[gentle pollen]

Only times I have issues are when I max out the graphics with super high render distances.

@obsidian wigeon Do you think 16GB of VRAM is enough for WQHD?

After I bank up to upgrade to a 5080 I plan to get a better monitor ideally a WQHD OLED at some point.

[obsidian wigeon]

should be alright

if anything the main limiting factor would be the gpu's performance itself lol

them games do be heavy

[gentle pollen]

Thoughts on how it'd run? I mostly play Shooters, and Campaign games. For sandbox/simulators it'd be heavily modded Minecraft

[obsidian wigeon]

it should run them all easily

especially shooters

[gentle pollen]

Good.

Also check out #tech-deals

Posted a good one.

[obsidian wigeon]

nice price for 16 cores

[gentle pollen]

Agreed.

I bought the same refurb deal from newegg when I was trying to figure out if my replacement 7950x3D direct from AMD was faulty.

The refurb worked great (actual refurbs vs returns, mine was clearly delidded at some point due to the conformal coating). It also provided the proof I needed for AMD to replace my faulty 7950x3D and with some convincing they upgraded me to my now 9950x3D.

[obsidian wigeon]

nice lol

free upgrade is great

[gentle pollen]

Yes. Only took AMD to send me two faulty cpus, purchasing a 7950x to test, and a lot of convincing for nearly a month lmao.

@obsidian wigeon

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah, that's clearly not a factory job

[gentle pollen]

That said, whoever refurbished this at Newegg did good work.

New IHS, and the sample is solid too. One of the few 7000 series that does 6400mhz 1:1 on DR without needing 1.3v SOC.

[obsidian wigeon]

im not too surprised that the last owner would be interested in delidding it lol

looks to be a good sample

[gentle pollen]

Thing chugs power though in all core, it draws 330-350w without power limits and pbo

[frigid edge]

yeah thats what i did

[frigid edge]

I found a 7900x on fb market for 200 dollars should i buy

[hollow gulch]

6+6 ccd

💩

[shut anvil]

Trying to figure out what to do with spare parts. After my upgrades earlier this year, i have a 7600X, a MSI case, and a MSI ventus rtx3050 laying about. Trying to decide to go ahead and build it to use as “htpc,” build it into a full (cheap) system and sell it, or just try to get what i can for the parts.

[frigid edge]

I would part it out

7600x and 3050 too far apart to make a good flip pc

[violet nexus]

How does this look?

Lmao I’m dumb

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7xq3h7

Lmk what yall think

[fallen sphinx]

uh

no

[violet nexus]

Clearly I need more than a no

[fallen sphinx]

im making an entirely new list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KPq3h7 2tb over 1tb ssd, infinitely better gpu, same price

oh and far better ram

FAR better

[violet nexus]

I trust ya

[fallen sphinx]

yeah 5200 cl40 is like essentially useless

[snow dragon]

[pulsar onyx]

Im probably making a mistake but I think I settled on going for a rtx4060 gpu to pair with my ryzen 5 5600x, im finding them for under $250 on ebay and it seems like the best price to performance to me. I would go amd but after they pulled support for their cards idk if I trust them

[snow dragon]

Well they are still getting support, just seems like it won’t be a #1 priority for cutting edge features or whatever

Still stupid though

250 is what you can find a 6700 xt for

[pulsar onyx]

Im looking at 4060s on ebay for 230-240 and they are looking better by the second. Im very weary of the amd issue because I feel like its a slippery slope and I'm looking for something I can use for the next 5-10 years if possible ya know

[weary galleon]

4060 aint lasting that long (I mean physically yes but gaming relevancy no)

[pulsar onyx]

Well I'm rocking a 1650 rn so I think a 4060 should have some life left maybe I was exaggerating a bit lol😂😭

But at least a few years of modern relevancy on AAA titles before I have to upgrade. Im not an elitist I will play on low settings if I have to 🤷‍♂️😂

[gentle pollen]

Definitely worth it if you use software that benefits from All Core loads.

[frigid edge]

if only i had 200 dollars

[gentle pollen]

Do you use apps that benefit from all core though?

[frigid edge]

Yes

[gentle pollen]

Good then it's worth it.

[frigid edge]

I have an rog strix z690e with a 13400f, what could that bundle sell for

and a 14900kf that doesnt show e cores

[gentle pollen]

Save up $340 and get the 7950x in tech deals. Newegg Refurbished them and sells them every couple of weeks. They are currently in stock.

I can confirm that they work splendidly and that they are indeed Refurbs based on the fact someone clearly did a delid on mine and applied conformal coating at some point.

[frigid edge]

ok i dont need that much

i have a 240mm aio

32 threads sounds great and all but 24 is great enough upgrade from 6p 4e

[gentle pollen]

Gotcha.

[frigid edge]

^?

[gentle pollen]

Always assume half price for used parts and further reduced if damaged/has issues.