Yup
#building-and-recc-chat
polar void
If heavyload runs at all then everything has enough power
If it didn’t then it would be psu
tame kindle
Yup
so.. whats the next course of action? reinstall my amd current drivers or roll back to one version below or just leave one game cyberpunk be, wait until new update
tame kindle
If it didn’t then it would be psu
so if the psu was the limiting factor it would crash?
polar void
so if the psu was the limiting factor it would crash?
yes
heavyload makes everything use the max power it could
polar void
so.. whats the next course of action? reinstall my amd current drivers or roll b...
look up what driver version works with it, 100% someone else had this problem too
tame kindle
look up what driver version works with it, 100% someone else had this problem to...
okay then thanks, if i need help along the way, i'll ping you again
you helped a ton today
molten pebble
6700xt is quite power efficient honestly, 650w is more than enough
snow dragon
Mine uses like 140-160w
tame kindle
6700xt is quite power efficient honestly, 650w is more than enough
even though im using a pair of 8 pin cables?
2 8 pin cables but both of them are a pair, connected together
daisy chained, is that the word for it
snow dragon
it has two because it can use more than the rated power for one connector
but with some tweaking you can really shave off a lot of power
tame kindle
it has two because it can use more than the rated power for one connector
so your 100% like dead set its not psu wattage too low ?
its really only furmurk and cyberpunk thats the issue
rolling back the drivers didnt seem to fix it
every other game tho runs fine
i thought its cyberpunk issue for the new update that released like pretty recently but then furmurk shouldnt just pause either, it doesnt crash just, freezes
molten pebble
its really only furmurk and cyberpunk thats the issue
Never use furmark.
tame kindle
So update, after rolling back to cyberpunk previous update, it has options for getting back to previous versions now, after rolling back on a previous version of the game it runs fine
tame kindle
Never use furmark.
eh ? really? i've been using furmurk to make sure things work usually
molten pebble
Yes really
There are better tools to test for stability
AIDA64 as an example will let you choose particular components you want to stress test
and it doesn't burn up your GPU in the process
Monster Hunter Wilds has a free benchmark available from Steam if you scroll down on the game's listing on Steam, and that's a VERY good test of stability
I work for a system integrator, where we sell PCs on Newegg and Amazon. I've worked there for about 7 years, and already built PCs for many years before that. I've personally built close to 3000 machines myself, and I'm the one in charge of making our standard procedures that our technicians follow.
What we do, is that we run a 3DMark benchmark of some kind, whether it's Port Royal or Fire Strike or whatever, and that gives us a score which we can compare and make sure we're getting the performance level we're supposed to be getting. Then we run the Monster Hunter Wilds benchmark on loop for at least 2 passes, and that's so heavy on the GPU and CPU that it detects any instability.
We've had PCs where it passes 3DMark Port Royal, and then crashes Monster Hunter, and it turns out to be a faulty GPU
tame kindle
I work for a system integrator, where we sell PCs on Newegg and Amazon. I've wor...
Oh your really an expert then, so your saying monster hunter wilds benchmark is the best way to test it ? alr, i'll keep that in mind
let me download it now and see how it does
molten pebble
Absolutely
Monster Hunter Wilds is the best way to verify it's actually stable
if you're having issues with Cyberpunk then maybe your drivers are out of date, Windows is out of date, your motherboard's BIOS version is out of date, your Intel chipset drivers aren't up to date... lots of possibilities
tame kindle
if you're having issues with Cyberpunk then maybe your drivers are out of date, ...
i never upgraded motherboards BIOS, seems way too complicated and then one wrong thing and its bricked motherboard
molten pebble
What motherboard do you have
polar void
i never upgraded motherboards BIOS, seems way too complicated and then one wron...
Well yes but actually no
It’s easy to do and all you have to do is make sure the power doesn’t go out
tame kindle
What motherboard do you have
Gigabyte b760m gaming x ax ddr5 wifi
tame kindle
It’s easy to do and all you have to do is make sure the power doesn’t go out
and if somehow.. the power goes out, im cooked?
molten pebble
That motherboard has bios flashback
Even if a bios update fails or goes wrong or the power goes out, you can still flash it again.
mental hazel
eh ? really? i've been using furmurk to make sure things work usually
modern nvidia gpus automatically throttle when they see furmark running because nvidia has a history of making reference PCBs that blow up under full furmark loads lmao
it's an okay burn in test since it will max out your PL and will use all of the shaders, but should be used with additional testing that better reflects real world loads. ie loads where the GPU actually boosts clocks
molten pebble
modern nvidia gpus automatically throttle when they see furmark running because ...
It's a power virus. lmao
stoic island
Never use furmark.
Furmark is still an incredible tool for actually checking for power lol
it's not good for stability
stoic island
its really only furmurk and cyberpunk thats the issue
log the voltages with hwinfo64 or equivalent, if only furmark and cyberpunk are crashing, and the system isn't hard crashing, it's possible that the PSU's voltage regulation isn't good enough and the 12v rail is drooping to a point where it's unstable even though you aren't hitting opp or ocp
12v+-0.5v is within spec, but problems come when it droops further than that
tame kindle
log the voltages with hwinfo64 or equivalent, if only furmark and cyberpunk are ...
i rolled back to cyberpunk version 2.21, it has a new option now to go back to previous versions and the game runs fine
now the only problem is furmurk, it freezes but if i alt tab out of it it'll be like normal, only when i full screen it, if its not full screeen, it still plays and doesnt freeze
the issue only is in full screen
stoic island
Almost sounds like some issues with vsync or gsync or freesync
tame kindle
hold on you might be onto something, im pretty sure amd global settings is set to free sync amd optimized
tame kindle
Almost sounds like some issues with vsync or gsync or freesync
wait how do i turn this on or off
furmurk runs fine on when i click run
but when i click benchmark 1080, it freezes, difference is one is windowed and one is fullscreen
the windowed is still 1920 x 1080, just not full screen
tame kindle
log the voltages with hwinfo64 or equivalent, if only furmark and cyberpunk are ...
i thought coolermaster gold+ was really good?
stoic island
mwe gold? None of them are that great, but voltage regulation can also be a bit dependent on sample
tame kindle
mwe gold? None of them are that great, but voltage regulation can also be a bit...
no idea..
stoic island
wait how do i turn this on or off
Would be in display settings
stoic island
also in graphics settings
tame kindle
also in graphics settings
off as well
stoic island
btw original furmark or furmark 2?
With furmark 2 there are more settings that are weird, iirc the artifact scanner option will just freeze the frame
tame kindle
With furmark 2 there are more settings that are weird, iirc the artifact scanner...
furmurk 2
it runs perfectly fine
just not when its in fullscreen
mental hazel
It's a power virus. lmao
yes. it is very good at parallelizing in a way that 'real' programs aren't. consumes an obscene amount of current in that way
languid nimbus
mental hazel
Ask chatgpt: "What is a power virus"
Generating: ⏳
mental hazel
i was about to ping mods lol
little osprey
Would anyone care to help me with some pc upgrade questions?
plucky timber
What are the questions?
little osprey
So ive got a pc that i used to game a few years ago, i got out of playing games and dont know the market anymore and am starting to get back into it but dont know whats available/ worth it in this market if you get me
But its a ryzen 7 5800x cpu rx 6800xt gpu system. Mainly used for WAH using solidedge 3d modeling and some light gaming with 1440p monitors
plucky timber
Define light gaming
little osprey
Mainly d2 and wanted to play bl4
plucky timber
Budget?
And it would be great if you could provide a pcpartpicker list of your current build
crimson zinc
Mainly d2 and wanted to play bl4
little osprey
About 750 usd. I plan on keeping my cpu cooler, psu, case, and storage
crimson zinc
(For reference, a 5700xt plays d2 at high with FG
Just go all in for the gpu upgrade and ram
plucky timber
And it would be great if you could provide a pcpartpicker list of your current b...
.
crimson zinc
Get up to 32, then go gpu
plucky timber
Get up to 32, then go gpu<:lisasu2:750959380123484251>
Again
We don't have the context
crimson zinc
(Don’t listen to me, I’m being silly)
plucky timber
Please refrain from trolling in #building-and-recc-chat
crimson zinc
(Okay, I will refrain)
little osprey
Hold on just a second im building the pc part picker
plucky timber
I'm not against trolling but #building-and-recc-chat is where I draw the line
snow dragon
Oh are these your current parts
plucky timber
That'd certain limit options
little osprey
I forgot to attach the gpu
These are
Im down for upgrading motherboard if need be for ddr5 but i kind of have to stick to mini itx form factor
snow dragon
Well there isnt much you can get out of am4 at your level besides getting the 5700x3d
little osprey
I could get a second hand ebay one maybe
little osprey
I know
languid nimbus
I don’t know that there’d be enough of a benefit on that anyways
little osprey
I may or may not have a micro atx case i could get acess to. Iirc same lengthxwidth footpring just taller
snow dragon
I think you could sell your 5800x for maybe 120 and then get this 5700x3d for 268. you would be down around 150 or so. but if you were to go am5 and get something like a 9600x, you would be down roughly the same amount
i gotta check your board prices to see which is better
plucky timber
Considering ITX tax
Getting an X3D wouldn't be a bad idea
Costs a crap ton just to go to a 7600x
Imo not really worth it
crimson zinc
@plucky timber just said my entire idea
So good for him
snow dragon
plucky timber
Alternatively you can go all in on 7800X3D but then that defeats the point
Can't fit a gpu upgrade
Then again...
Gpu wise there aren't really many options
snow dragon
6800 xt is still pretty fast
plucky timber
Not in the price range anyways
snow dragon
that is actually still faster than my 9060 xt
plucky timber
It might be worth just upgrading the platform tbh
snow dragon
by a lot
little osprey
Is it? I figured i got it 4-5 years ago for around 500 itd be out of date by now
plucky timber
Because I don't think going for a 7600x is worth over a 5700X3D
snow dragon
I don’t know that there’d be enough of a benefit on that anyways
it is slower than a 9600x but depending on the game it is not by much
plucky timber
Is it? I figured i got it 4-5 years ago for around 500 itd be out of date by now
Nope
Corporate greed
Blame amd and nvidia
little osprey
Damn theyre slacking
plucky timber
Slacking and asking for more money for it
little osprey
I really like the looks of the gpu ive got if thats the case. I just assumed it was getting to old to be useful for newer games
plucky timber
Honestly it might not be a bad idea to just get the 5700X3D
plucky timber
I really like the looks of the gpu ive got if thats the case. I just assumed it ...
Well
You have to consider
little osprey
Ive got a local microcenter too
little osprey
Yeah im not doing all that
plucky timber
Well it's not $1000+
But like
$700-750 for a 9800XT or 5070TI?
Like sure it's an upgrade but
little osprey
70 series cards are 700 now?
plucky timber
It's stupid I know
If you want to save money and still get some cpu performance
5700X3D would be the cheapest way to do that
little osprey
Thats crazy lol. I remember i got a 3070 for a friend during covid craziness at BB and it was only 450
plucky timber
That'd extend the life of your system by a couple years I reckon
You might be able to hop on the am6 train by then who knows
little osprey
Do you recommend swapping to 2x16 ram?
snow dragon
You might be able to hop on the am6 train by then who knows
yes
little osprey
Ok. Do latency numbers matter much or more just the overall speed
plucky timber
Ok. Do latency numbers matter much or more just the overall speed
Yes
little osprey
I know you want it to be double infinity fabric speed
little osprey
I guess i should ask what ram kit you recommend
plucky timber
Yeah it's diabolical
little osprey
I dont really care. I believe mine is downclocked to like 3800 because my cpu wasnt capable of 2000 infinity frabric
plucky timber
Well technically upgrading to AM5 is an option
But it might be worth it to stick on AM4 for a bit longer if the platform isn't an issue
It's just that you'd be upgrading cpu, gpu, ram instead of just the gpu
And you'd have to upgrade to a 7800X3D to be really worth it over a 5700X3D
snow dragon
Nah even a 9600x is faster than it
plucky timber
By how much though
snow dragon
Some games it is close but more often than not the 9600x leads by kind of a lot
plucky timber
If it's not that much he'd be spending a lot of money for just a 9600x
crimson zinc
Well technically upgrading to AM5 is an option
Do this
plucky timber
It's not just the cpu
crimson zinc
He’s mostly playing d2 guys
plucky timber
It's the cpu, gpu, ram
crimson zinc
And bf
plucky timber
Ehhhhhhhh
snow dragon
Well he is already getting a new cpu and ram
crimson zinc
The 6800xt can already handle that
plucky timber
He also would have to drop another $100 on a motherboard
plucky timber
I'm looking more at am6 here
little osprey
Is bl4/ new AC going to be intensive?
snow dragon
The 6800xt can already handle that
9060 xt puts my 9600x to 100% in battlefield
plucky timber
Rather than next gen am5
snow dragon
Oh borderlands nvm
plucky timber
Because if he's not going to benefit that much from a cpu upgrade
snow dragon
Is bl4/ new AC going to be intensive?
It is pretty cpu heavy
crimson zinc
Then cheap am5 would be an upgrade
plucky timber
I'd save the money from the cpu
crimson zinc
Pcie gen 5
plucky timber
Then cheap am5 would be an upgrade
Well that's the thing
Cheap am5 is exactly what I disagree with
snow dragon
Daniel owen has a video of a 5600x and a 3060
plucky timber
If he's already spending that much I'd get a R7 at least
snow dragon
the 5600x is 100% utilized at 1080p low
crimson zinc
7500f?
plucky timber
No
crimson zinc
7700x?
plucky timber
Maybe
crimson zinc
7700x is cheap atm
little osprey
7700x i can get for 240
plucky timber
The next question is
crimson zinc
7700x i can get for 240
Go for used
plucky timber
Is he getting a good performance out of it
snow dragon
7500f?
Depending on the game it is neck and neck with a 5700x3d and in games where the cache doesnt help much it can actually win
snow dragon
7700x i can get for 240
micro center price i forgot
plucky timber
Because I don't think he would be compared to how much money he'd be spending
snow dragon
9700x was always kinda pricey
plucky timber
Sadge
snow dragon
From the times I checked at least
plucky timber
Was that the 9600x I was remembering then
snow dragon
But every time i have checked it was way more than the 9600x
snow dragon
Was that the 9600x I was remembering then
Yeah 9600x used to be 150
My brother almost went to am5 lmao
plucky timber
Yeah that's what I was remembering
snow dragon
I think it is still 180 at mc
plucky timber
I mean if he's literally just playing d2 and bf6
Wouldn't the 3D cache make up for am4
crimson zinc
@little osprey what’s your local store? Not asking you to dox yourself
Just so i can see stock for deals
snow dragon
yos
little osprey
<@456226577798135808> what’s your local store? Not asking you to dox yourself
J...
Brentwood missouri
plucky timber
He'd also still need a new motherboard
little osprey
I dont live close enough to be that worried about it
plucky timber
That's when I think it'd be better to get a R7 at that point
I don't think cheap AM5 is worth ot
crimson zinc
plucky timber
Still nearly $200
snow dragon
this is the one that has 3 m.2
plucky timber
I'd get a better cpu if I'm already spending this much
Like
Do you really want to spend that much on an upgrade just for a R5
Sure it's an upgrade but
snow dragon
well you can sell the am4 board for a lot still
plucky timber
It's a lot of money to spend
plucky timber
well you can sell the am4 board for a lot still
Yeah but in terms of gains
The money is still being spent so
What no
snow dragon
after everything is sold though it wont be as bad. you would spend a little more than the 5700x3d after you sell everything
crimson zinc
Wait wrong link
plucky timber
after everything is sold though it wont be as bad. you would spend a little more...
Ehhh
I'd still argue for a better cpu
crimson zinc
Why not get a 7600X3D
snow dragon
it is faster than a 9600x but i guarantee you it costs way way more
plucky timber
The 7800X3D will last you a while too
It's going to be better in the long term compared to the 9600x
And it'd be a way bigger performance jump (depends on title)
snow dragon
the extra cores will help in some games
plucky timber
I usually don't tell people to spend more money
But in this case you'd actually see a substantial upgrade
The ryzen 5s are in that awkward spot where it is technically upgrade
But you're spending a bunch of money for not that much gains relative to a 5700X3D
Besides a 7800X3D would be better for longevity
Since the current gpu market situation doesn't favour your case
I'd argue getting a better cpu now could facilitate a better outcome when upgrading the gpu down the line
little osprey
Im all for forwards compatibility. I just dont want to buy into am5 and am6 come out next year with 30% hypothetical gains lol
little osprey
Idk its almost like upgrade now and shoot myself in the foot potentially or wait and live with it. Not that what i have is bad by any means really
plucky timber
If you prefer the 5700X3D would be a good stopgap
If you can hold out on the cpu then it's a good option
It all depends on what you use it for
little osprey
Honestly the 3d modeling matters more to me currently than gaming
So the 32gb of ram is probably mandatory
lilac tinsel
https://ebay.us/m/mMvv0r
prices are getting crazy
analog rover
can anyone give some help on a pc build that isn't posting?
mortal kayak
can anyone give some help on a pc build that isn't posting?
Sure, did you just build it? Or did you build it previously and now it's not POSTing
analog rover
Sure, did you just build it? Or did you build it previously and now it's not POS...
just built it, tried almost everything
Asus ROG Strix z890-H
Intel Core Ultra 7 265K
Patriot Viper Gaming Elite 5 (2x16)
PNY RTX 5070 TI
analog rover
Sure, did you just build it? Or did you build it previously and now it's not POS...
Chatted with ASUS support and they recommended an RMA. I've already exchanged the CPU with Amazon, to no avail
I'm going to send the mobo back to Amazon now, fingers crossed
mortal kayak
Well you said it wasn't POSTing
That board should have some LED indicators to say what was going wrong
Most of the Strix ones do
mortal kayak
Right. Which one was it getting stuck on?
mortal kayak
Normally it lights up CPU, then DRAM, then VGA, then BOOT
analog rover
cpu led lit up then went off, dram lit up for a little longer, then went off, then nothing happens
mortal kayak
Most likely then it wasn't detecting the GPU
because otherwise VGA would have lit up
analog rover
ok, I removed the GPU as a troubleshooting step and plugged into the onboard
still nothing
mortal kayak
Gotcha. Then it could have been something defective from the factory
analog rover
with the motherboard?
mortal kayak
I mean. If this system was at our store for repairs, the first thing I'd do is check for bent pins in the CPU socket
analog rover
I looked at that the first time I reseated the cpu. didn't see anything, but also didn't use a magnifying glass
I figure the CPU light would stay on in that case
mortal kayak
Generally the easiest way to tell if something's off with the CPU pins is to hold light up to it at an angle
Light will reflect very differently from bent pins so they'll stick out like a sore thumb
analog rover
I even did a bios flashback with the latest firmware
mortal kayak
oh, how long did you give it to POST then after the flashback
analog rover
I've let it run for 10 minutes or more
mortal kayak
Asus boards will update the ME firmware and the LED firmware after the main BIOS area is flashed
So just in general you have to give it quite some time
But if you're already getting the motherboard replaced this is all moot
analog rover
that's what I figured
I might do as you said and inspect the cpu pins a little more when I disassemble for return
just as a curiosity
mortal kayak
When you get the new board I'd recommend putting the CPU and RAM on, mounting your cooler, and trying a POST with just your PSU hooked up using integrated graphics
Assuming your CPU is not the 265KF and is the full 265K
analog rover
it's the full 265k
analog rover
ok, will do
mortal kayak
that way you don't waste time mounting it into your case if there's something else going on
analog rover
thanks for all your input
been about 12 years since putting a new PC together, so kind of bummed it's not working
mortal kayak
That's quite a long time
12 years ago a new PC would have been a Core i5 3570K with a GTX670 or so
mental hazel
anybody here do custom watercooling stuff? i would like to build a loop and don't really know where to start
mortal kayak
for a first time loop you should definitely just do soft tubing as it's much easier to work with
Figure out which component(s) you're going to cool, you need a block for each.
You can get a reservoir/pump combo, a radiator, tubing, and fittings. You'll need 1 fitting for each place you're transitioning from tube to item
The easiest way to get into this is to do a CPU-only loop
mental hazel
for a first time loop you should definitely just do soft tubing as it's much eas...
that's the plan since i also swap components a lot
mortal kayak
- radiator (and fans of course)
- pump/reservoir combo
- tubing
- coolant
- fittings
- any blocks you need
mental hazel
The easiest way to get into this is to do a CPU-only loop
would be GPU only if anything. as i only really need a loop to cool my 7900 XT haha. 7800x3d runs cool on stock coolers
mortal kayak
Oh yeah 7800X3D is a cool running chip externally
It just gets hot underneath the 3D cache but nothing you can do about that
mental hazel
yeah it gets warm pretty much no matter what, but even stock coolers can keep it from getting 'hot' if that makes sense
mortal kayak
So for this type of setup you're talking about, probably need 6 fittings
mental hazel
the layered silicon kinda puts a cap on how far you can minimize temps, but beyodn that even my wraith prism could keep it at like 85C or whatever
mental hazel
So for this type of setup you're talking about, probably need 6 fittings
my goal is basically cheapest possible loop lel. any recommendations?
mortal kayak
You'd need 2 for the GPU block, 2 for the pump/reservoir, and 2 for the rad
See if you can find an EK block for your card on clearance somewhere
mental hazel
i found a corsair one for $80
mortal kayak
That's actually cheap
mental hazel
it's ONLY a gpu block, doesn't cover the whole PCB. but i have fans and heatsinks so i can tackle vram and vrms myself
mortal kayak
another recommendation I'm going to make wholeheartedly is to
freaking keep your original cooler and screws
you'll have to practically give your GPU away when you go to sell it if it's waterblocked
mental hazel
yeah for sure lol. this is either being sold or collected, so i need the cooler either way
mental hazel
you'll have to practically give your GPU away when you go to sell it if it's wat...
this is how i got my first 3090 for $400 hehe
mortal kayak
literally, nobody wants them
People with custom loops want the highest end hardware
Which makes sense, because there's not much benefit to waterblocking a lower end card. And an older card could be matched by something midrange in a newer generation
mental hazel
is there anything i should be looking for when it comes to fittings/tubing? i saw there were some sites that would let you make a whole list, but i imagine that's not super cost effective since you can probably find say cheaper fittings from one shop, cheaper rads from another, etc.
sorry that's two thoughts i kinda mushed together lol
mortal kayak
for fittings you have barb and compression fittings
if you plan to change hardware, go with compression fittings
they're just better in general
that said the only other thing is to not mix materials. so
You want to be sure you aren't using both Copper and Aluminum together
so if your radiator is nickel-plated copper
then you can use aluminum with no problem because it's plated
but if you have a CPU block with straight-up copper visible inside
then you can't use aluminum stuff
mental hazel
the cheap corsair block appears to be bare copper, not nickel plated
mortal kayak
That's fine, just be sure none of the other components are aluminum
also for a first timer
highly recommend just buying a premixed coolant, that will include the anti-microbial additives to make sure you don't grow algae in your cooler
mental hazel
for sure lol
does clear soft tubing still go yellow over time or has that been fixed over the last 20 years lol\
mortal kayak
and, if you're going soft tube, and first timer, don't recommend using dyes
eventually it yellows
mental hazel
and, if you're going soft tube, and first timer, don't recommend using dyes
interesting, why is this?
mortal kayak
but it takes a long time
so with any plastics, dyes will seep in over time and you'll stain the soft tubing
so unless someone's really committed to one color forever, I don't recommend dying the coolant in a soft tubing system
mental hazel
gotcha
mortal kayak
Another factor, regardless of what you do you'll need to drain and clean out the system every year or so, no matter whether it's dyed or not
but the recommended interval for that gets cut down considerably if it's dyed
3-6 months
mental hazel
understood. will be avoiding dyes then lol
mortal kayak
They're really cool
mental hazel
why is the service time so much shorter than AIOs?
mortal kayak
AIOs use an extreme amount of the anti-algae stuff first of all
Second of all they're filled and sealed in a mostly contaminant-free environment
and there's basically no room for human error where there wouldn't be enough liquid or wouldn't be completely sealed and would evap more than expected over time
mental hazel
how much tubing length should i go for?
i see 20ft for $17 which strikes me as probably more than enough
mortal kayak
That is definitely enough
https://www.kitguru.net/components/kris-butterill/kitgurus-guide-to-building-a-soft-tubing-loop/
This is a good resource as well
mental hazel
how do i ensure i am selecting the correct size fittings?
mental hazel
That is definitely enough
this is my list thus far. does everything check out or have i cooked myself in some way lol
block - https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/custom-liquid-cooling/CX-9025002-WW/icue-link-xg3-rgb-hybrid-gpu-water-block-7900-xtx-cx-9025002-ww
rad - https://a.co/d/7wflknR
tubing - https://a.co/d/fjKIuR8
fittings - https://www.newegg.com/p/37B-000B-00206?item=9SIAC8W7D05712& (x6)
fans - already have
coolant - https://a.co/d/0dMixX5
pum/res - https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806307598057.html (150mm one)
should be about $300 after tax. water cooling is expensive lol
i reckon i might sell my AIOs to eat some of the cost back
polar void
why did bro edit 5 times
mortal kayak
this is my list thus far. does everything check out or have i cooked myself in s...
I've never heard of this company for the radiator
mental hazel
I've never heard of this company for the radiator
yeah it was just the cheapest thing that said copper lmao. i figured it's hard to screw up a slab of alluminum with some tubes inside, so no harm skimping there
oh i might have linked the wrong one actually oops
edited*
stoic island
Main difference between radiators is fins per inch
More fins = more heat dissipated
mental hazel
yah
i've used shitty AIOs on 600w GPUs before so i assume a meh rad in a loop will be fine too
but i don't know anything so that's why i'm here
stoic island
Bykski used to have some nice cheap soft tube CPU+GPU kits but they seem to be gone now
dawn iron
i have come to the point of wanting to upgrade my prebuilt idek what is in it but ik i want it to be a lot better is there a suggested motherboard that is good for upgradability and what amd cpu and gpu are suggested for high end gaming(not highest end)
polar void
i have come to the point of wanting to upgrade my prebuilt idek what is in it bu...
can you go in task manager and see what cpu, gpu, ram, and hard drive you have
and maybe share some pics of the pc too
polar void
ryzen 5 5500, 32 ddr4, 3060
thats a 3060???
dawn iron
cpu gpu motherboard
polar void
what problems or experiences are you having right now that you want to be bettered
dawn iron
and i have better storage but i think i just need a windows usb or somethin
dawn iron
what problems or experiences are you having right now that you want to be better...
just in general wanna run a lil higher settings without worrying ab fps
polar void
i see
dawn iron
knew it was a problem when borderlands 4 recommended me the lowest settings
polar void
and i have better storage but i think i just need a windows usb or somethin
you have another ssd?
dawn iron
yea
i have a 1tb and a 2tb ssd with an external adapter thing but when i install games on it they just freeze after 5 seconds of running them
polar void
oh well if you get a new motherboard itll most likely be able to have multiple ssds
dawn iron
knew it was a problem when borderlands 4 recommended me the lowest settings
then i thought it was bs and when i upped the settings the world dissapeared
dawn iron
wym?
polar void
to upgrade platforms to a better motherboard and cpu, you will need a newer ram too
ddr5
dawn iron
yea i didnt notice that
polar void
for gaming, and with the best future proofing and mid range performance right now is to go am5
polar void
yea i didnt notice that
sarcasm?
dawn iron
nah im slow i fr didnt notice
polar void
oh
dawn iron
i even picked a new motherboard option and didnt realize it went from ddr4 to 5
polar void
are you on board with selling the whole thing
dawn iron
ill prolly just give it to my brother for his bday to start off
polar void
if not the best option would be to sell motherboard, ram, and cpu all together, and separately sell the gpu
well that would make you need more money
dawn iron
yea i have money i was just looking for advice on how to spend the money before buying crap parts
dawn iron
bet bet
i dont really have one im just not tryna go all the way up
i chose the asrock b850m for a motherboard
polar void
you like the way it looks?
i recommend not going with an asrock board only because people have had issues with them and amd cpus
dawn iron
issues with the cpu or the cpu in the motherboard?
polar void
the combination
so motherboard
especially with x3d cpus
better to be safe and get another brand
would you like me to make a part list of what i recommend
dawn iron
if you dont mind
polar void
course i dont mind
do you want pure performance or pretty lights
lights will be slightly more expensive
dawn iron
performance
polar void
performance
aio or air cooler?
aio generally is better and good for cpu upgrades but slightly more expensive
polar void
good air cooler around 30 bucks good aio around 45-50
polar void
i have one in my current one
you have a stock cooler for am4, not similar to actual air coolers
polar void
it is water, but i hope you realize there is a 0% chance of it leaking and breaking stuff
its completely safe
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4hnJLc it can go cheaper at the cost of performance
this list has no storage since you said you had a 2tb ssd
dawn iron
thank you very much im going to look into this
would there be a good wifi and bluetooth adapter to go with it my pc has a bad one so i have a usb for wifi
its a netgear nighthawk or somethin of the sort
polar void
would there be a good wifi and bluetooth adapter to go with it my pc has a bad o...
the motherboard i selected comes with wifi and bluetooth too
fallen sphinx
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4hnJLc it can go cheaper at the cost of performanc...
ew no
polar void
instead of criticism make a better list
fallen sphinx
fallen sphinx
case is way better, ram is better, psu will actually work
polar void
does that case fit an aio
fallen sphinx
buddy thats more expensive
its 15$ cheaper
fallen sphinx
does that case fit an aio
yes, 360mm too
polar void
its 15$ cheaper
on my end its 5 dollars more
polar void
look at the right
what am i looking at
how do i change that cuz i didnt set it to that
fallen sphinx
click on adding any part, click on merchants and select all
fallen sphinx
you did set it to that
fickle bolt
i swear on everyones pc
My pc just burst into flame wth
polar void
wild
fickle bolt
The psu exploded
polar void
what was wrong with the msi psu
fallen sphinx
what was wrong with the msi psu
it literally cant support amd gpus
plus its overpriced
polar void
it doesnt have the right connections?
polar void
the gpu has one 8 pin how does the psu not have one 8 pin
mental hazel
back in my day you could get 1kw units for $50 on ebay
fallen sphinx
the gpu has one 8 pin how does the psu not have one 8 pin
oh ig so
but still
overpriced
100w more + better unit + 10$ cheaper
polar void
cool
dawn iron
bet
polar void
bet
alternatively,
will look better and will be easier to build in
and its a dollar cheaper
you dont need a 360mm aio
fallen sphinx
will look better and will be easier to build in
youre acting like a3 is difficult to build in
polar void
it sure looks like it
he also does not need a 360mm aio
and the apevia will have better airflow and space and looks
fallen sphinx
and the apevia will have better airflow and space and looks
the a3 is better airflow.
fallen sphinx
it sure looks like it
its not
fallen sphinx
he also does not need a 360mm aio
itll be a lot better
polar void
how many fans does it come with
polar void
itll be a lot better
its unneccassary
fallen sphinx
none, just get a pack of thermalright fans for cheap
fallen sphinx
its unneccassary
10$ more and 50% more area + area
polar void
ok well its the dude's choice
fallen sphinx
yup, a3 is the better case though
dawn iron
it says the gpu is not available
plucky timber
yup, a3 is the better case though
Agreed
dawn iron
also is the water cooled needed?
plucky timber
It is not
It's only an aesthetic benefit
Well actually no
Disregard what I just said
On ITX it... Can be beneficial
However, on the 7600x, it's not necessary
fallen sphinx
yeah
plucky timber
RK120 should fit
It's fine up to even an X3D
Although the limiting factor would be the motherboard and airflow (due to the form factor) rather than the cooler
Down to $965
polar void
the other case is better
fallen sphinx
a3 is better.
dawn iron
im not going for compact i just want it to work
plucky timber
im not going for compact i just want it to work
Hmm
What form factor would you be fine with?
dawn iron
elaborate
polar void
matx is best for budget and mid range
dawn iron
i like larger cases
plucky timber
Down to $945
Why was a compact case recommended then wtf
Whole argument went down here for no good reason
Also I noticed that the lists have no SSD
Are you supplying your own drive?
dawn iron
i alr have one
plucky timber
dawn iron
i have a 3060 amd 5 5500 36g ddr4 and im trying to upgrade
plucky timber
Switched to a 9600X because price difference is marginal
$953.29
Swapped out the gpu for a 3 fan
Same price
and it's actually in stock
polar void
good case
dawn iron
im glad i decided to do it this way bc iwas just gunna get a better cpu and gpu lol
and im glad yall go above and beyond to help even if it starts debates
polar void
anytime
dawn iron
prolly should have been a little clearer on my preference to be fair
polar void
only thing i would still stand by is an aio
for future cpus and ease of installation and better temps
but that air one will do
plucky timber
for future cpus and ease of installation and better temps
Unnecessary
polar void
a 360 is unneccassary
plucky timber
The RK120 would be fine with a 9800X3D
polar void
240 not
plucky timber
Disagree
fallen sphinx
a 360 is unneccassary
no
polar void
oof
plucky timber
Like I said, the RK120 is fine with a 9800X3D
polar void
ugly tho
plucky timber
The only argument for an AIO here is for aesthetic
polar void
and better temps
dawn iron
Aesthetic preference, etc?
i might get it in the future but considering im a full time worker, full time college student, and i sleep full time i dont game too much
plucky timber
and better temps
I'd make that argument with a 360mm
Not a 240mm
Your reasoning is flawed
polar void
alr im out
plucky timber
But anyways to sum up my points
fallen sphinx
then yeah rk120
lyric thistle
Not a valid opinion
bro sees the most cpu cooler of all time and says that ain't right
plucky timber
RK120 is fine up to a 9800X3D, and if you really want an AIO (which you don't) I'd recommend a 360mm
For performance reasons
lyric thistle
they should make coolers with flexible heatpipes
plucky timber
bro sees the most cpu cooler of all time and says that ain't right
"It's ugly" is not a valid opinion
It's downright bad advice
lyric thistle
install it like a water cooler but it's just air
plucky timber
But anyways
polar void
at least my motherboard stayed...
plucky timber
Air coolers (RK120 as a reference): Usually $29, outperforms all 120mm and gets near the performance of a 240mm AIO, and is way more than adequate for cooling most CPUs, up to a 9800X3D
AIO (240-360mm, Thermalright) Usually ~$50+, Depends on use case, case restrictions may make them more viable for a specific use case, usually an aesthetics preference, generally completely unnecessary in terms of performance (even for a 9800X3D), although a 360mm would be a nice to have if one desires better temperatures
plucky timber
Please keep trolling to a minimum in #building-and-recc-chat
fallen sphinx
Air coolers (RK120 as a reference): Usually $29, outperforms all 120mm and gets ...
yeah a3 supporting 360mm is nice
plucky timber
yeah a3 supporting 360mm is nice
It also supports a RK120 btw
fallen sphinx
yeah both are great options
plucky timber
360mm would be great for an intel tbh
Feel like that'd actually benefit from having an AIO
Ryzens, not so much
fallen sphinx
Ryzens, not so much
yeah
but if you want the looks or the performance for wtv reason theyre not expensive anymore
plucky timber
but if you want the looks or the performance for wtv reason theyre not expensive...
It's generally the aesthetic argument at play here since RK120 is fine for 90% of cases (mostly 7600x/9600x, and the RK120 is quite overkill here)
Or well, just preferred to have slightly better temps
Which is where I'd make the 360mm argument
Unless there's a form factor reason where a 240/280mm makes sense over either a RK120 or a 360mm
fallen sphinx
mhm
plucky timber
One cannot give a price without knowing the contents
polar void
what should i sell my old pc for
i'd say around 600-700
polar void
@plucky timber
dawn iron
i feel thats kinda high since i bought it for 800 1.5 years ago
polar void
dang
dawn iron
im tryna sell it to fam aswell so i dont wanna be too high
pseudo pollen
?ddu
jolly riverBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
cursive moth
is this pc good
havent been in the community for customs pcs recently so im not updated on new parts but just wondering if thats good specs
crimson zinc
https://newegg.io/9dba42c
This just links to Newegg’s builder. Not yours.
Use pcpp.
plucky timber
silver saddle
Can someone help me with my pc
It won’t turn on sometimes and my bios isn’t booting
polar void
It won’t turn on sometimes and my bios isn’t booting
can i see a picture of it
of the pc
polar void
Can someone help me with my pc
I can’t help you if you put your phone down and walk away bro
silver saddle
Hello sorry
I’m literally trying to fix it as we speak
I messaged you over in pms I can’t send the photo here
polar void
I messaged you over in pms I can’t send the photo here
@sullen spoke can we get him an image role?
id prefer to continue this here
sullen spoke
You should be able to send photo now
polar void
And I can turn on my camera
so did you buy this from a store or online
and how long have you had it
mental hazel
havent been in the community for customs pcs recently so im not updated on new p...
specs are good, but it's not very good value at all. you can get something faster for the same price, or the same performance for notably less
silver saddle
I got it online
I got it for a steal tho
$900 I believe 2 years ago
I’m trying all I can but I don’t know much
This thing is not working
polar void
I’m trying all I can but I don’t know much
What specs does it have
polar void
Could we possibly vc
polar void
I got it online
polar void
I’m burning over here
mortal kayak
@silver saddle
Did you get it figured out?
polar void
<@279779609841500180>
Did you get it figured out?
We sure did
crisp sun
Thanks for helping him out @polar void
polar void
Of course, i love to help people with pc issues
silver saddle
We sure did
Beast of a man
plucky timber
did mf get his account deleted
fickle bolt
"compromised" was the wording he used
plucky timber
The absolute state
sullen spoke
Wait who was that
fickle bolt
There's no way to do it on the same email?
mental hazel
Titan one of these days you gotta show me how to make an alt account
he will not be aiding you in collecting discord kittens
fickle bolt
tf
sullen spoke
You mean you don’t have a collection consisting of dozens of emails?
snow dragon
fr
fickle bolt
im so confused rn
frigid edge
is this good
looks legit
for a little more you can get a good deal on amazon for a 240hz panel
https://www.amazon.com/INNOCN-Monitor-Desktop-DisplayPort-25G2S/dp/B0DSPLKKZV/ref=sr_1_1 this is a tiny bit more for 1440p 240hz at 24 inches so very good pixel density
frigid edge
The string of numbers and letters
why do they always do this
fickle bolt
The string of numbers and letters
montior companys naming their crap be like
"ah yes and here wwe have the 309709UE-7EDSKJH8DHODYF"
topaz rose
for a little more you can get a good deal on amazon for a 240hz panel
yeah i need 27 inches sadly
topaz rose
What is the model
snow dragon
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-pg27qft1b-27-qhd-180-hz-ips-black/p/N82E1682494600...
Lol
Oh in the url
PG27QFT1B
snow dragon
is it any good?
Monitors unboxed says it is good
However the response time isn’t great
The response time is too slow for 180hz which results in some refresh rate compliance issues
The overdrive is also too conservative, doesn’t do much
But for $150 this is fine
snow dragon
Oh ok get it then
Yeah 90% dci p3 is nice
Factory calibration is ok but you can do some tweaking yourself
Probably don’t even matter because it is gonna be a secondary monitor
Just turn down the blues a bit because it has a cooler color temp from the factory
topaz rose
Oh ok get it then
does newegg have any coupon codes
snow dragon
Not that i know of but probably yeah
topaz rose
Not that i know of but probably yeah
ok, ima see if other stuff i want is on egg
i spending $300 rn 
frigid edge
yeah i need 27 inches sadly
why though
snow dragon
Idk but I think that is good for whatever he got going on
I like 24 inch but it’s not for everyone
25 primary and 24 vertical secondary is my setup
frigid edge
dawn iron
what is the best case and motherboard for upgradeability in general
i think ima just build my pc 1 part at a time and get better parts
but i just wanna start with those 2
topaz rose
why though
because it matches my primary?
frigid edge
but value for monees...
frigid edge
what is the best case and motherboard for upgradeability in general
any case that looks roomy will do
matx is better for budget but atx has more expandibility
topaz rose
but value for monees...
and? i dont want two difrent sized displays
frigid edge
motherboard wise, any am5 motherboard that has vrm heatsinks and isnt asrock cause am5 is the goat of upgradeability and future proofing
first world problems
jk
frigid edge
any comments
do not get corsair ram
for amd cpus, trident z5 neo is really good
teamgroup tforce is good too and looks better
something like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d9d69C
same ram price but faster latency
remote fiber
Anybody know the cheapest route to go to unhandicap my 7900 gre
I'm on am4 rn,
5600x bottlenecks it pretty bad
crimson zinc
Anybody know the cheapest route to go to unhandicap my 7900 gre
Probably 7700x if it’s still $150
remote fiber
For sure am5 though? Need new mobo ram and cpu
stoic island
5600x bottlenecks it pretty bad
What mobo? may be able to just do 5800x3d
remote fiber
What mobo? may be able to just do 5800x3d
Crosshair 8
stoic island
That's quite a mobo lmao
stoic island
personally would sell that and get enough money to upgrade to am5 with ddr5 lol
plucky timber
personally would sell that and get enough money to upgrade to am5 with ddr5 lol
True
It still fetches a lot
crimson zinc
That's not low quality
Posted it a second after he sent
plucky timber
It's not worth that but still
plucky timber
Posted it a second after he sent
Regardless
I'd ask for what he has before recommending a course of action
stoic island
Anyways it's more than enough to do something like 5800x3d, what's important is to find a good deal though, it's a pretty expensive upgrade for relatively small improvement for 7900 gre lol
plucky timber
I'd say the whole thing can sell for pff
$250?
Actually maybe $300 if we include ram
I mean that's technically enough for going to am5
Unless I'm overestimating how much rog boards are on the used market
stoic island
Crosshair 8
2 path options, 1 is to get an am4 x3d chip, the other is to sell the am4 platform and move onto am5
plucky timber
Is it it a B550 or X570?
stoic island
Unless I'm overestimating how much rog boards are on the used market
some sold for $100 for bids on ebay, some $250-$300
plucky timber
2 path options, 1 is to get an am4 x3d chip, the other is to sell the am4 platfo...
I mean if it's one of those overpriced plastic boards
They retain enough value
stoic island
I think the crosshair 8 is x570 only
plucky timber
For a platform upgrade
He can realistically go AM5 if he sell the cpu, gpu and motherboard
remote fiber
I think I can probably afford to buy into am5 without selling anything, just looking for good value
remote fiber
I wanna keep my am4 board for benching for now, a cheap am5 board I think will suffice for a cheap am5 cpu right?
stoic island
Unfortunately the most noticeable performance upgrade is x3d, but x3d chips are expensive and not great for value for the $. Moving to am5 with ddr5 is a decent upgrade with decent value, less so than x3d, but still good
plucky timber
You can put an X3D on a B650 Eagle AX
It's around $150 ish?
You can spend relatively little amount of money in return for potentially being able to put a 9800X3D in it
stoic island
I wanna keep my am4 board for benching for now, a cheap am5 board I think will s...
Do you live near a microcenter? Microcenter generally has some nice deals for bundles
remote fiber
Think the closest one is like 4 hrs away or so
stoic island
So no lol
Unfortunately the 7700x deal on neweggbusiness is gone so 9700x or 7800x3d are the two main options now, something like this for $500 is more than expected, deals might dry up until we get to black friday
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6K46pK
remote fiber
that's better than expected honestly
when are the next set of chips coming out by chance?
stoic island
Couple days ago the 7700x was $150 on Neweggbusineess and would've made that only $350 lol
remote fiber
damn maybe i should wait for a deal then if they're going on sale like that
stoic island
when are the next set of chips coming out by chance?
Hard to say, Intel is going to release another refresh that might be soon but is expected to be bad still, AMD isn't expected to release another generation for another few months iirc
remote fiber
What do you guys think about the b850 Riptide?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4818800
Found this deal on ram too, I think it's good?
defo cheap
plucky timber
On Asrock specifically
snow dragon
Yeah and normal ones too, just much more rare
There are a decent amount of dead 9600Xs and 9700X
I have also seen dead 9950X
Now I'm not saying your computer will explode if you get one, but the odds of a failure will go up
remote fiber
ok...so i'm looking here and the 9600x is 198$ and free 240mm cooler
between the 9700x and 9600x am i going to see a bottleneck you think?
snow dragon
I have been using them since march and everything is all good, and know someone using an x870 with a 9800x3d for 10 months
snow dragon
between the 9700x and 9600x am i going to see a bottleneck you think?
Which games because for the most part no
Cyberpunk will utilize more cores and so will battlefield 6
remote fiber
Man this is weird, but the only games i play right now are runescape, age of empires, and path of exile 2
oh and baldurs gate on occasion
snow dragon
ok...so i'm looking here and the 9600x is 198$ and free 240mm cooler
You don't need an aio for that cpu because it doesn't use a lot of power, but since it is free, might as well get it
remote fiber
I think I'm happy picked up a cherry blossom 🌸 combo ram set
And an AYW max gaming combo for slightly less
stoic island
I think I'm happy picked up a cherry blossom 🌸 combo ram set
What frequency and timings?
remote fiber
6000 cl 30
stoic island
That'll be good
remote fiber
The 9600x or 9700x is the real decision
stoic island
It'd be a question of what prices they end up being and if you see yourself ever playing more intensive games
remote fiber
198 and 295
I think I'll go 9600x and upgrade to a x3d chip later if need be
440+ tax is pretty good 👍
plucky timber
B650 Eagle AX would be a pretty good board for that
I think it has 2x6 phase vrms?
stoic island
440+ tax is pretty good 👍
If you can wait I'd wait for black Friday sales, if nothing else, you'll know it won't go on sale soon after you buy it lol
split cliff
how is this guys :)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bQsZpK
plucky timber
how is this guys :)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bQsZpK
Aesthetic preferences?
split cliff
Aesthetic preferences?
black
plucky timber
Anything else?
Do you prefer having the AIO aesthetically speaking
Or would you be fine with an air cooler
Actually eh
I'm not gonna touch that it's an X3D
It actually benefits from it
split cliff
i prefer AIO, and no more than 2000 USD, around 2000 is good
plucky timber
RGB?
plucky timber
i prefer AIO, and no more than 2000 USD, around 2000 is good
any case preferences?
there are better cases for cheaper
split cliff
yes
split cliff
thank u
split cliff
this one looks nice
plucky timber
it is on the larger side
so you'd have to be mindful of that
Aqua elite v4 and v6 are a dollar aprt
pick one
plucky timber
yeah sure
split cliff
this first one is solid
plucky timber
Oh I'd think it'd the last pick tbh
It's a late 2010s design
it's a solid case regardless
there actually is a performance difference between the v4 and v6
hmm
split cliff
i want something for 2000 usd that's like very worth the money and performs good, idc really about how it looks, cuz itll be under the desk 100% of the time
plucky timber
I think the v6 is the better pick here tbh
if noise is a concern you can tune the fan rpm down
got it down to $1927
ok nvm wrong ssd
split cliff
btw is the motherboard good compatibility with the cpu/gpu i chose?
plucky timber
Explanation for the changes:
Motherboard: B650 Eagle AX is the cheapest board that can comfortably support a 7800X3D (you really don't have to spend more than this)
CPU Cooler: Best price/perf for 360mm AIO
Memory: 6000 CL28, best price/perf, slightly less latency than original
SSD: Crucial T500 is slightly faster while still having DRAM, $10 savings
Case: price savings
PSU: price savings
tl;dr: The list performs slightly better while being a bit cheaper
although I haven't touched the monitor
I'd recommend asking for recommendations in #peripherals-and-displays
plucky timber
I'd recommend asking for recommendations in <#500102713137430529>
@split cliff
split cliff
Explanation for the changes:
Motherboard: B650 Eagle AX is the cheapest board t...
thank u, couldnt be happier with an explanation
plucky timber
thank u, couldnt be happier with an explanation
Yeah I'm trying to improve on my recommendations rather than just throwing out a pcpp list
Happy to help
snow dragon
I do not know of any boards with soldered but it at least doesn't have those proprietary antenna connections
plucky timber
I mean it's a desktop so
MTK shouldn't be too annoying
Not gonna be a strix moment
plucky timber
Vrms?
Oh they're 2x7
I guess the question at this point is
Does wifi matter
@split cliff would wifi be a concern on this machine?
plucky timber
I saw a wifi 7 aorus for 190
I mean wouldn't the mtk be fine anyways
split cliff
i would want wifi on there
plucky timber
Hmm
split cliff
i mean if it has to be above 2000 go for it
snow dragon
I mean wouldn't the mtk be fine anyways
In my experience it wasn't that fast
split cliff
u could also swap the 7800x3d for an intel CPU if needed ?
snow dragon
ax210 is sweeping it rn
snow dragon
qcncm865 is a little faster than the ax210 but by a very small amount
snow dragon
B850 Eagle is AX210/RTL
Yeah I actually have had no experience with realtek wifi cards
I see it has 8922ae