building-and-recc-chat

[dusky hearth]

hmm what's the easiest way to find it... uhhh

try system information (in the start menu, type that exactly)

[white tinsel]

system model?

[dusky hearth]

should be the one in "baseboard product"
also mention the version

might be that

[white tinsel]

b650m?

[dusky hearth]

that's just the chipset, not the specific model of mobo

[white tinsel]

baseboard product?

[dusky hearth]

what does that say?

[white tinsel]

b650m c v3-y1

[dusky hearth]

if you look in the case, does it look like this mobo

[white tinsel]

exactly

[dusky hearth]

ok, were you downloading these drivers? driver direct link
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650M-C-V3-rev-10/support#support-dl-driver-wlanbt

[white tinsel]

i did not download that, i installed GCC and it obliterated my computers rgb lol

[dusky hearth]

ggc?

gcc?

[white tinsel]

gigabyte control center

[dusky hearth]

oh

honestly most mobo companies have terrible software lol

[white tinsel]

i was reading that everyone dislikes it and messes with their whole setup

[white tinsel]

so will this mess anything up?

[dusky hearth]

it won't

well, even if it does, reinstalling windows is easy

[white tinsel]

and i went to service manager

[dusky hearth]

honestly it's recommended to do a fresh install of windows for prebuilts

[white tinsel]

and services and did some youtube guides on there regarding bluetooth

[dusky hearth]

because usually the prebuilts come with bloatware or it's an older image

[white tinsel]

i installed it should i reset pc?

[dusky hearth]

regarding drivers, you usually want to download the specific drivers that the product provides
e.g. this one which was specifically checked for your board model

reset?

restart?

[white tinsel]

restart srry

i am new to pc lol

[dusky hearth]

also fyi the "reset your pc" function on windows is pretty much useless lol

[white tinsel]

ok how should i go about it ?

[dusky hearth]

if you ever have weird windows issues, you'll probably want to do a fresh reinstall; using the reset feature won't do anything

but anyways, since you've downloaded the driver, yeah do a quick restart

[white tinsel]

ok ty again for the help

i was on hold with them today for like

4 hours

lol

@dusky hearth ILYYSMMMM

OH MY GOD

UR THE GOAT

[dusky hearth]

💀

[white tinsel]

ty again

[tawny violet]

ngl

I wonder what sort of cooling a 9950X3D would really NEED

If a cooler can do this with a 13900K, would it be able to handle the 9950X3D?

[dusky hearth]

looks like stock 13900k is nearly 300w, while the 9950x3d has a max of around 230w

(according to tpu multicore benchmarks)

so for the most part, coolers that can handle the 13900k should probably be able to also handle the 9950x3d

[tawny violet]

The best part?
It's a 67mm tall air cooler lmao

[zenith cargo]

Are the pre config gaming modes in bios good to use?

[wide drum]

I'm sure this will be seen as a dumb question, but anyone have a stand or table they like for raising a PC off the carpet? My current one is too small for my new build. I am thinking about just going to Lowes or HD and grabbing a plank or wood and putting four blocks on the bottom and calling it good. The stands with wheels on Amazon are all pretty mid to me

[mossy lion]

Need some help with a issue with a fan I have

Any ideas why it be acting like this ?

[dusky hearth]

Bad bearing most likely

Are you eating 💀

[mossy lion]

Sorry chewing gum

I chew like a cow

[dusky hearth]

Lmao

[mossy lion]

Is there way to fix that ?

[dusky hearth]

Not really
Can only replace it

If it's new, RMA it

[mossy lion]

The fan is old maybe two to three years since I used it

[dusky hearth]

You can check if it's the bearings by trying to spin the fan blades manually (don't let it spin fast)
If it spins smoothly without too much resistance (you may feel the magnet resisting at most) it isn't the bearing

If it doesn't spin smoothly and easily, then it's the bearing

(if you do want to try to make it spin fast to test, you will have to unplug the fan so it doesn't create back current)

[mossy lion]

Let me know if you can hear this

It is making this sound when I spin by hand

If I spin it smoothly there is no noise it only makes noise when I spin it fast

[dusky hearth]

Yeah it's the bearing
It should continue spinning by itself for a fair bit longer instead of that quick deceleration

[mossy lion]

So I need a new fan then

[mossy lion]

So I put in a new fan where the old one was and it's working fine

So you are completely correct it was the fan

[analog hearth]

Bad bearing. Just get another one

Sorry I didn’t realize that’s like a few hours ago lol

[grave crescent]

Hey does anyone in here have a good gaming build for 800-1000? Old pc is dead and gone

[wide drum]

Depends on what your definition of 'good' is, and what your expecations are for resolution and performance

[grave crescent]

Bang for my buck pretty much

My old pc was 750$ back in 2020 and I build the best thing possible for that price but there’s too much new stuff for me to figure out quickly

But just oriented around gaming performance probably won’t need anything better than 1080-1440p

[fallen sphinx]

1 what country
2 what color
3 rgb - yes, no, minimal
4 any preference for gpu
5 are you buying prebuilt or your own
6 are you willing to buy used parts

7 what games mainly

[mossy venture]

imo this with a used gpu https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kBD9yW

[grave crescent]

USA,
preferably darker colors probably black blue or red but doesn’t have to be any if too expensive to go with a theme,
minimal rgb,
used to be an Nvidia guy but if amd fixed their crap software then either one,
preferably new parts but open to safer used purchases,
And I mainly like fps, racing, and open world games such as apex legends, Fortnite, forza horizon, gta v, red dead redemption, Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order/Survivor

[wide drum]

GPU will be the pain point in the current market

[grave crescent]

Yeah it was back in 2020 too

Good to know it will suck again

[wide drum]

its definitely worse than 2020

although to some extent with amd's new cards being good it's better in some ways

but their msrp is a lie so its kind of problematic

[mossy venture]

nah 2020-2022 shortage was a lot worse than now

[stoic island]

This is much better than the 2020 ish shortage

[wide drum]

i mustve just been more lucky back then as i found cards much easier to get then

[stoic island]

AIBs aren't as blatant with increasing their MSRP this time around, there's much more availability from AMD, scalpers aren't doing double the price anymore

[mossy venture]

there was a time 3060 tis reached $1300 from scalpers

[stoic island]

Took me almost 2 months to get a 3060ti lol

Maybe more actually

[grave crescent]

The card I got came back in stock and when I ordered it 4hrs after it was stocked 1 of 2 brands selling had already sold out again and the other was almost out

And resellers were selling for 4x+ msrp

[wide drum]

i probably shouldnt talk about how many cards i got during 2020 lmao

[stoic island]

Either way, at least we're not being forced to buy a bomb with a GPU anymore lol

[wide drum]

i still cant get over the double 9070xt bundle, so funny

maybe for a dual setup for a couple or something i suppose

[grave crescent]

Is it correct that Mt/s is roughly double what MHz is

Making 6000MT/s equal to 3000MHz

[stoic island]

For DDR, yea, but keep in mind the advertising around the frequency is finicky and most manufacturers advertise something like 6000mhz when the ram itself is running at 3000mhz, being effectively 6000mt/s

[grave crescent]

So realistically my old ddr4 3200 was probably more like 1700mhz making 6000mt/s actually still significantly faster than it?

Also making it a safer bet to buy 6000mts rather than something like 5600mhz?

[stoic island]

Yes, ddr4 3200 would be running at 1600mhz, effectively being 3200mt/s

[stoic island]

Better to buy 6000c30 right now because it's priced well, any anything worse than 5600c32 is likely a worse die than the hynix dies you'd get from 6000c30 or better

[wide drum]

seeing that the ram i was going to get is only $1 more for 6400/cl32 im tempted

[grave crescent]

I never did gather how important that number is

Like if faster ram but cl32 if better than slightly slower but cl30

[wide drum]

yeah, i get the high level concept of more speed less latency, but beyond that its all just numbers to me

thats why i ask for advice here lol

people are smarter than me

[grave crescent]

I’m 4 years behind in information and I didn’t expect to be as lost as I am on what to but

[wide drum]

but i know the higher it gets the more unstable it can become

[grave crescent]

There’s been so many things that have improved multiple times that I have no clue anymore

[wide drum]

which is why as Mr1111 said in Gen chat, 6000/cl30 is the lazy option, its usually reliably stable

[grave crescent]

What does the sentence “a worse die than Hynix dies” mean

[grave crescent]

Ohh ok

So brand doesn’t matter much as long as I get cl32 or lower

Thanks I was so confused by that

[wide drum]

my understanding is corsair should be avoided

[grave crescent]

That’s interesting because back in 2020 people were mostly buying corsair

I ended up getting G.skill aegis when I build mine

Cl16

[wide drum]

People buy it cause of marketing

Most gamers don't do research, they just buy what's popular

[grave crescent]

Stuff was like 45 dollars for 2x8 3200mhz 16 18 18 38 10ns

[little osprey]

hello! i can't even believe what i'm seeing right now.. gonna buy this friday

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808490633624.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.5.4c565ad1DL5JUC&algo_pvid=92b0d4ac-b176-44bd-ba98-7840fc146d73&algo_exp_id=92b0d4ac-b176-44bd-ba98-7840fc146d73-2&pdp_ext_f={"order"%3A"-1"%2C"eval"%3A"1"}&pdp_npi=4%40dis!USD!255.97!255.97!!!1520.00!1520.00!%402101eac917425128143986456e69dd!12000046199875532!sea!US!0!ABX&curPageLogUid=fvLlbVPsq970&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A&_gl=1*zg6dzu*_gcl_au*NjgzNzcyMjM1LjE3NDI1MTI4MjU.*_ga*NDY2MTE1MDkwMDE1MDk2LjE3NDE3OTU1NDc5MTA.*_ga_VED1YSGNC7*MTc0MjUxMjgyNS4xLjAuMTc0MjUxMjgyNS42MC4wLjA.

nevermind it says cant be shipped 😦

[fallen sphinx]

1 thats a scam

2 youd lose 255$ dollars

[fallen sphinx]

good...

its a 2070...

i mean a 2070 for 255 aint... terrible but you can do much much better

[mossy venture]

2070 refurbs have been 160-180 recently

[mossy venture]

@grave crescent https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-7600-ryzen-5-7000-series-raphael-socket-am5-processor/p/N82E16819113787T?Item=N82E16819113787T

[severe hull]

Would a a series mother board be worth it to upgrade ram currently has 1 16gm ram I belive 3200

[mossy venture]

A520?

Whats the cpu and mobo

And likely worth it yeah

[severe hull]

A520sd

It was a ipason prebuilt for my 8 year about two years ago

Now has a gtx 1650

[mossy venture]

Ahh alr

You'd see some general performance improvements from having dual channel ram, but with the specs it might just be worth building a new pc if he's needing a performance increase

Not much of an upgrade path really

Could swap to a 5600/x and upgrade gpu later maybe, but personally I wouldn't put more money into it

[severe hull]

Yea figured that

It runs pretty good just wanted to see if I can squeeze more

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

[severe hull]

Awesome

Is that 5600g crappy ?

[mossy venture]

Yeah, it's a but better than a 3600 for gaming

The 1650 will be hitting its limit first

[serene onyx]

Hey guys

Im working on a 850$ build

This is what i have came up with

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ckkpFZ

Is it decent? or can i do better

[mossy venture]

Psu is a bomb

[serene onyx]

o

Ok

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3070-gv-n3070gaming-oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932449T?Item=N82E16814932449T

[serene onyx]

What can I change

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DtXDh7

A used 6700xt around $260 would be ideal though

The extra vram on it is very useful over the 8gb on the 3070

[serene onyx]

So that list and a 3070

[mossy venture]

Yeah, or if you're fine with waiting till tmrw I can ping you when something better priced pops up

[fallen sphinx]

I was just abt to say

[mossy venture]

A better mobo is also a decent idea, just upgradabiliity wise but thats up to you

B650m pro rs wifi would be my goto

This isn't bad either
https://www.ebay.com/itm/116391619724?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=I8ORr0BxSt6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Same thing abt vram though, id rather a 6700xt

[serene onyx]

Sounds good

[mossy lion]

All good thank you I did ordered a new one ☺️

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-7600-ryzen-5-7000-series-raphael-socket-am5-processor/p/N82E16819113787T?Item=N82E16819113787T

Id buy that

[serene onyx]

Thanks

[mossy venture]

Np

I'm keeping an eye on where I normally look for refurb/used gpus atm, I'll let you know if I see anything

[mossy venture]

Did you manage to get one? It's alr out of stock

And its back

[wide drum]

the refurb king over here

[fallen sphinx]

And it’s out

[mossy venture]

There's a 12600k for $110

[tawny violet]

Bacca

how much more cooling does a 9800X3D compared to the 7800X3D?

if it even needs more

[mossy venture]

A dual tower can cool a stock 9800x3d, 7800x3d can be cooled by a stock cooler

[tawny violet]

I mean if it does with the same amount then I'm peachy lol

[tawny violet]

AXP120?

[mossy venture]

No

[tawny violet]

Dang

That sucks

[mossy venture]

240mm aio

[tawny violet]

do you really need that much for a stock 9800X3D?

that somehow feels simultaneously wrong and perfectly correct

cuz that ruins my dastardly plan to build a 9800X3D rig in the Fractal Ridge

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lIHIJ0KEr10
I mean based on this you'd think it SHOULD be fine

in games it's consuming like 65 watts

sure power virus could cause throttling but like that should be fine

[mossy venture]

In games it goes up to 120w

Its being power limited, temp limited, or vrm limited

[tawny violet]

That should still be fine with the cooler in question

[mossy venture]

9800x3d is built different from the 78, so it scales much better with a good cooler

The cache is between the cores instead of on top

[tawny violet]

cuz that cooler is like actually like extremely good with performance (like matching or beating a Noctua L12i)

[opal jacinth]

Right now I don't need my 9800x3d to scale, its utilization is so low when I game lol

[tawny violet]

Like the cooler keeps a 7700X at 85°C temps with 70% fan speed in a 30 minute Cinebench test on an open bench

[mossy venture]

7700x doesn't have 96mb of l3 cache

[tawny violet]

it's about the same power draw

[mossy venture]

This is decent
https://www.ebay.com/itm/127007111378?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=I8ORr0BxSt6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

I'd still rather a 6700xt/2080 ti for more vram but I haven't seen any well priced tdy

Not from where i check anyways

[dusky hearth]

if vr is in the plans, 8gb vram is not enough

mfw 3070ti works worse than 6750xt significantly

(8gb vram vs 12gb)

i still have hatred for nvidia only putting 8gb vram in the 3070ti

[fallen sphinx]

8gb vram in the 40/5060 too

[dusky hearth]

the 60 class cards im like ehh, it's probably fine
but the fact that somehow the 3070(ti) has less vram than a regular ass 3060 is like

unironically a 3060 12gb is a better vr card than the 3070ti lmao

if you want anything higher end than the 3060 for vr, you'll have to skip right to the 3080

all because of the vram

[wide drum]

Sounds like when I offload my 3080 there might be people looking, that's my takeaway 😂

[dusky hearth]

i mean, there still are people buying up the cheap 1080ti's and such lmao
still fairly decent (at least if you get it for cheap)

[wide drum]

They're listed for $500 ish on jawa but I saw someone here sell a 3080ti for 500 so the non ti must be 350-4

If I can sell it for that it'll cover overpaying for a couple things in my build

[mossy venture]

Yeah 3080 10gb is around 350-400, 12gb probably around $450

I might know someone who's looking

[tawny violet]

I love that the 6800 XT has 16 gigs and it's also cheaper than both lel

At least here it is

[mossy venture]

They might want smthn higher end though, I'm not sure

[wide drum]

ive got the goat card

[mossy venture]

I just asked them

[snow dragon]

Wow I really forgot the ti also has 8 bruh

The hell were they thinking

Actually I know what they were thinking

Need some kind of future limitation

But honestly with dlss 4 you really could get away with 8

Jokes on you nvidia

Fellas can just turn down the quality by one click

[tawny violet]

RTX 6000 series
You get 2 gigs of VRAM on the 70 class
Then you can upscale that to 4

And finally MFG 4× it up to 16

[snow dragon]

Sotru…

[snow dragon]

But you could keep the cards for longer with dlss 4

You can turn down the quality a bit and probably have it still look better than the higher setting dlss 3

To me it goes against nvidias planned obsolescence

[mossy venture]

@serene onyx

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-rtx-2080-ti-gaming-x-trio/p/N82E16814137338T?Item=N82E16814137338T

[dusky hearth]

also dlss doesnt work in vr lmao

[snow dragon]

Bro what

[dusky hearth]

or at least most games dont support it from what i see

[snow dragon]

Brutal

[dusky hearth]

looks like a few titles support it but not the ones i play lmao

[snow dragon]

Ahaha

Bro this thing is basically new

Has the plastic over the logo too

And smells funny so you know it was barely used at all

Yeah I really scored with this ine

[wide drum]

Ive seen some amazon return bin videos recently of people pulling insane GPUs and Processors for less than $100

[frank frost]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pchelp/s/mBAiGatV7x

What even happened here? 😭

I hope it's a troll or something

They even mounted the fan controller to the glass

[wide drum]

jump start the motherboard with a screwdriver

either a troll, or someone very very uninformed

comments say it sounds like they basically have no idea what theyre doing

[frank frost]

Yep

Idk why they didn't just look at any random guide online

Like the longer I look at it the worse it gets lmao

[snow dragon]

The upgrade

[fallen sphinx]

FIRE

[vague oracle]

Subuwu

[snow dragon]

Open panel gaming

[sonic sorrel]

Do I need to put this back on??? Like does this go on top of the SSD?

Need help on this as this is my first ever build.

[stoic island]

Yes

it's there to act as a heatsink

[sonic sorrel]

I’m now at the process of installing the motherboard into the case. Do I need to remove the pre-setup screws to put in the motherboard in properly and flushed?

I’m so confused. It looks like some are missing on where it sits and those white holes with the circumference around it is also messing with me

I just don’t want to damage my first ever PC

[crimson zinc]

https://youtu.be/DC-Xn2C_L1U?feature=shared

@sonic sorrel

https://youtu.be/s1fxZ-VWs2U?feature=shared

Either of these will help

[sonic sorrel]

Last question, does this mean I need to remove the current black pegs that aren’t fitting into the mobo holes and add them to the ones that are? Or do I keep the where they are at?

[jagged ember]

Yeah pretty much

The first

[sonic sorrel]

I have more questions I guess. What do I do with the metal pieces that are blocking my ports?

It’s not the square ones as I know to bed those, but it’s the thinner ones that I’m confused about

[frank frost]

what upgrade? you just added a fan to the gpu /s

[snow dragon]

[frank frost]

Nah but for real, that looks so good!

[snow dragon]

Preciate it

[lone flame]

thats your IO shield, it goes on with the motherboard

protects your ports

[dusky hearth]

they add rigidity or something
honestly i'm not 100% on what the tabs are for, but one thing i know is that if they are bent out of shape or if you install the mobo wrong, it could poke into a port and short it causing issues (normally wouldnt be permanant damage but your pc would boot loop)

looking on google apparently it's to ground all the ports

to help reduce interference

[mossy venture]

@serene onyx did you buy a gpu yet?

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-11g-p4-2383-kr/p/N82E16814487401T?Item=N82E16814487401T

[serene onyx]

No i havnt

Oh nice

That is actually fire

Thank you

[mossy venture]

Np

[grave crescent]

So probably for my budget I should grab that 7600 refreshed when it comes back in stock

But should I go for a 2080ti like that one or a 6700xt for 1080-1440p

[mossy venture]

I would, they're the cheapest gpus with more than 8gb vram that are 1440p capable

Whats your budget for the pc?

[grave crescent]

The 2080ti?

Under 1k preferably

[mossy venture]

Yeah 2080 ti and 6700xt

[grave crescent]

I had been looking for laptops but I have a more permanent place to possibly put a desktop now so I’m looking to build again

[mossy venture]

If you're fine with aliexpress 7500f is a good cpu choice

7600 without an igpu

[grave crescent]

I feel like aliexpress is sketchy right

[mossy venture]

Not if you buy from the right seller, I could grab a link

The 7600/x around $140 refurb is a good choice, there's just no gaurantee it'll come back, or how soon

$120 after a $20 coupon
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008494537886.html

[grave crescent]

I had been looking at 7600x but I don’t know how to find refurbs plus it doesn’t come with a cooler

[mossy venture]

Reliable seller

[mossy venture]

Pretty much just newegg that I've seen

Do you need wifi or do you have ethernet?

[grave crescent]

I have Ethernet where I’m at now but I’ll probably need WiFi in the future

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tM9hGJ

Full list would be smthn like that

[grave crescent]

I also tbh don’t need to spend the money on a modular psi

Psu

[mossy venture]

There's a lot more to psus than just wattage, efficiency rating and modularity

[grave crescent]

So 6400 cl32 vs 6000 cl30 what’s better

[mossy venture]

Either or, the 6400c32 kit is just a bit cheaper atm

[grave crescent]

Ok

[mossy venture]

There's like a 10% chance you'll need to change some ram settings for 6400mhz to run, but we can help you with that over in #overclocking if its needed

If you want to save the $10 this psu is fine, just the extra 100w for $10 makes sense
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RMgrxr/bitfenix-bfg-gold-atx30-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bp-bga750umag

[grave crescent]

Ok Im just wondering why modular is usually recommended

I get there’s less cables but I thought that easier cable management is only difference

[mossy venture]

Yeah that's why some people like to recommend modular psus

Those both just happen to be modular, they're just the cheapest 750w/850w psus that are good quality

Like this is fine, but still worse than the BFG
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mBgrxr/asrock-challenger-cl-750g-750-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-cl-750g

[grave crescent]

Ah ok that makes sense

I didn’t think they would be the cheapest options for a decent one but cool if they are

I’ll probably take the couple lists I’ve been given and make something up and get it checked over to make sure I don’t do something stupid

[mossy venture]

Main suggestions are don't cheap out on psu, corsair ram sucks, and don't buy based off of brand

[grave crescent]

Should I just buy whatever is available for cheaper between the 6700xt and 2080ti then

[mossy venture]

Yeah, 2080 ti is a bit better but personally I'd rather the 6700xt

[grave crescent]

More future proof is t it

Because it’s newer

[mossy venture]

Early revision 2080 tis just had some power issues, and 6700xt will likely have had less on time

Either option is good though, 2080 ti is like 5% better and has more oc headroom

[grave crescent]

I never did overclock in the past not sure if I will do some light oc or not

[lunar pasture]

been a while since I've built my own PC and one of the kids wants to assemble his own to see how it all goes together.

wondering if someone can help me sanity check my spec list

[mossy venture]

Sure

Do you have a pcpartpicker.com list?

[mossy venture]

And what is your total budget?

[lunar pasture]

nope, never heard of that

about $2.5k

[mossy venture]

Microcenter nearby or nah?

[lunar pasture]

I'm in Vancouver, BC

[mossy venture]

Ahh ok

[mossy venture]

I assumed us from this

One sec

Take a look at this
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/w9djb2

Here's a bit cheaper
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/BDvw8Q

[lunar pasture]

that's awesome, thanks!

[mossy venture]

Np!

If you've got any questions feel free to ping me

[lunar pasture]

this is the list I had aleady btw: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CCQCgn

this site is great, makes it so much easier

[mossy venture]

I'd avoid corsair for ram, they've got quality control issues and they lock a voltage on ddr5 that no other brand does

The kingston nv2 is also not great, they started swapping parts on it so there's various versions with varying life spans

If your son wants nvidia id grab this, but its a good bit worse than the 9070xt
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QKXMnQ/zotac-gaming-solid-oc-geforce-rtx-5070-12-gb-video-card-zt-b50700j-10p

[mossy venture]

Ca.pcpartpicker.com if you want to search for parts available for you and in your currency

[lunar pasture]

He has no preference, just what he’s picking - why I wanted to sanity check it

[mossy venture]

Yeah I'd definitely grab the 9070xt then, it's like 20-25% better

4gb extra vram is also a bonus

[lunar pasture]

Amazing thanks

[wide drum]

I'm not trying to sell it here or anything, but am I allowed to ask for advice on how to price used hardware?

Don't want to break the rules about selling/trading

[potent portal]

Pricing things is fine

@wide drum

[wide drum]

Cool I will get my current builds parts put in here in the morning to see what might be possible to get for selling them

[wide drum]

lian li lancool 2 mesh performance
evga 3080 ftw ultra
x570 tomahawk wifi
5900x
gskill trident z neo 32gb ddr4 3600 cl 16
arctic liquid freezer II 240 (almost 5 years old now)
All the case fans are Noctua N-P12 140/120

I will be keeping the PSU and Storage, I was planning to sell each part individually but wonder if I can sell it together and someone can just buy their own PSU and storage. I don't have any of the original boxes and will have a hard time finding most of the things that came in the boxes.

[mossy venture]

Case-60
Gpu-375-400
Mobo-80-120?
Ram-50-65
Aio-40

Guesstimates

[cyan ravine]

About 1000-1200

Just eyeballing that

Wait no cpu

[wide drum]

oh wait

[cyan ravine]

[wide drum]

cpu is 5900x

[cyan ravine]

Yeah about 1000-1200

Noctuas add value

[cyan ravine]

Yeah he hits about the same if you'd say some 200 odd for the cpu

It's in about that 1000+ range

[wide drum]

crazy to me that parts this old are that valuable

[cyan ravine]

I'd say 1100 or so

[cyan ravine]

It's still a 1440p machine

[wide drum]

if i can actually get even $1k, that would be amazing

[mossy venture]

Gpu market definitely has smthn to do with it

[cyan ravine]

1100 would be reasonable

1200 you'll probably get 1100 lowballs

So works out

[wide drum]

nice, once I get the new build complete I will get it cleaned up and list it for 1200 and see what happens

ive got a handful of extra noctuas laying around too, i should put those on ebay

[cyan ravine]

In one sense they're worth more separate if you can make the effort

Just don't sell them for a stupid price

They aren't worth 30 now like they were 30 years ago

Lol

[wide drum]

looks like I paid $14 for the 120's and $15 for the 140's

Ive got like 30+ things arriving from amazon tomorrow, mailman is gonna hate me

[cyan ravine]

I got a bunch in the mail lol

[wide drum]

gonna keep this for later to compare to the new build

[weary galleon]

1100 is not a low-ball on a 1200 listing lol

[fallen sphinx]

Is that software free

[fallen sphinx]

Could you help with mine? Gotta start looking to sell it, I’ll send specs soon

[mossy venture]

sure

[snow dragon]

Yall think I could sell the r5 5600 for 80, b550m itx for maybe 120 and 32 gb ddr4 for 35

[wide drum]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/223850/3DMark/

Steam

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I got it on steam

[fallen sphinx]

Zalman P1
3600x
AORUS GeForce RTX™ 3060 Ti MASTER 8G
16gb Viper Steel DDR4 3200
Some air cooler
1 exhaust fan (thermaltake?)

[fallen sphinx]

nvm...

[fallen sphinx]

im keeping all storage from this

[mossy venture]

cpu-60
mobo-40? idk what it is
ram-15-20
cooler-10

case/psu 50-100 depending on the psu model

gpu around 230ish

[fallen sphinx]

oh right
b450m hdv

[mossy venture]

yeah $40

[fallen sphinx]

anyway to check what psu you have

just opening the back?

[mossy venture]

yeah

[fallen sphinx]

those screw are not moving 😭

[mossy venture]

tried a screw driver?

[fallen sphinx]

oh thats a good point

[mossy venture]

yeah they get pretty stuck

[fallen sphinx]

It’s looking like it’s a

Corsair Tx650m

[mossy venture]

good psu but a lil old

50 or so

[fallen sphinx]

And the case

so worth 500$? and how much could i sell it for

it has some nice cable extensions too

[mossy venture]

could maybe get 650 or so all together

[fallen sphinx]

ok yeah i was hoping for about that

[fallen sphinx]

would that price be possible on fbm?

[mossy venture]

yeah

[spice hemlock]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CJTCt3

someone mind giving me advice? been looking around and trying to do research on possibly best valued but want to get good stuff as well. You can tell me if things are bad. Also not sure on the GPU or not since Ive been Nvidia since the start and heavy fivem player

[languid nimbus]

Yeah that gpu is way overpriced

[cyan ravine]

That looks like a list that was done a while ago and picked up only now

7900x is an odd choice

Esp for fivem

[languid nimbus]

[tawny violet]

GTA 5 in general is slightly nVidia bias iirc

And IDK if it likes X3D but it's a no-brainer really

[spice hemlock]

I think initially i was messing between that and 9900x. was just seeing reviews on small differences. price point is almost the same so 9900x would be better most likely unless there would be a better value elsewhere

[cyan ravine]

It's more that you'd pick a 6+6 core for a game that only really uses 1

And favours that one being fast as heck

R9 ≠ peak performance

If you ask me

7800X3D/9800X3D

And a cheaper motherboard

You'd spend the same but lose 0% performance

You'd in fact go much faster

The R9 versions of those aren't better picks either btw

More cores doesn't mean better

Games tend to like 8 cores and not more

In like 98% of cases

You pick the R9s if you want to do like, full on work

Rare edge cases where streaming can make a little sense with them, at the cost of way more money or much less performance

R9s are very much a "I'm going to work on this pc 40+ hours a week" kinda thing

[spice hemlock]

i understand. i do tend to play other games but mainly do like 5 days a week streaming gta to be fair

would be a lot of heavy hours on it

but if can get away with those specs im down

[cyan ravine]

Even streaming gta you'd have extreme overkill with these

I'd also pick more storage

If you're streaming you'll want assets, clip space, recording space, mod space etc

I gotta go but lemme adjust the list brb

[spice hemlock]

I had a 5070 in there before the amd but the problem is getting any gpu and dont know anything refurbished. see a lot of those deals come around but never know if its a good idea

[cyan ravine]

@spice hemlock couple notes before I post and go

1. Choose one of the two ssds

You're the best judge if you need more than 2tb

2. The prices in black are the expected price you should pay for these items

Pay maybe a little more at most

Not worth much more than a couple dozen extra

3. The original case was ok but it'd look a little silly with the mobo change hence the new one

4. The psu you had was good, the one I put comes with custom cables if you want it to look better for a little more, that's all the new psu adds really

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8nzNWc

I also put 64gb since you may have some mods that might be unusually ram heavy for whatever reason lol

32 is fine, the old kit you had

But 64 is another optional suggestion

[spice hemlock]

much appreciated. youre a legend.

[cyan ravine]

Np

[potent portal]

48GB kits are a good balance between speed and capacity too

[cyan ravine]

They are I just have 2% battery rn

Lol

I don't know how much time I have left

[potent portal]

Just throwing it out there lol

[cyan ravine]

48gb tends to be more expensive per dollar

So I usually go 64

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[cyan ravine]

Maybe I can still check for 48

[lone flame]

felix about to get thanos snapped right before our eyes

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sbFmP6/teamgroup-t-create-expert-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-ctcwd548g6400hc32adc01

[potent portal]

And he was never heard from again ||until his phone charged||

[cyan ravine]

It's still closer to 64 than 32

Idk $20 bit worth if we go up

Lol

[potent portal]

Ye but they're excellent for overclocking, so they should last through more upgrades too

[cyan ravine]

Fair

[spice hemlock]

whats a good take for gpu on this build? I had 5070 but been seeing reviews on those series not performing and i know gpus are hard to come by today

[cyan ravine]

9070/XT are good

Good streaming gpu as well

5070 isn't really competitive at all unless it's msrp or cheaper

It's just a glorified 4070 super

For 50 less

Hell, 20 less considering the 4070S did get cheaper

9070 makes the 5070 look embarrassing

[lone flame]

i feel useless i had like a basic understanding of the market and the value of gpus a few months ago but rnda 4 and 50 series being scalped to hell and nothing else available makes it impossible

[cyan ravine]

I just don't care for the scalping

[lone flame]

whatever is in stock buy that ig

[cyan ravine]

Good price like before or I ignore it

I even tell people to wait

[spice hemlock]

im just going to spin a wheel

[cyan ravine]

But yeah the prices in the list, take note, those are what would be ideal for the parts

[lone flame]

i imagine that has to get tough when people keep asking you, bacca, etc for advice/builds in the current market

cause theres like no stock to recommend

plus prices are absurd

[cyan ravine]

They will change as time goes on so write them down

[cyan ravine]

I've taken to waiting until the person works it out lately lol

[lone flame]

real

[cyan ravine]

Some tutorials take way too long

I'm not trying to snub anyone I'm just deprived of time

I do try to still answer everyone if I can but I imagine my success rate has dropped a fair bit

Ok 1% I'm really dying soon

I think

...maybe?

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-holland-spiderman-spiderman-thanos-snap-swtsoob-gif-22157816

[cyan ravine]

Ima go charge it lol

Gl with the build @spice hemlock ask us if you're unsure of anything

[spice hemlock]

appreciate it man

[mossy venture]

@grave crescent it's not as good as a 6700xt/2080 ti but check #tech-deals

$200 rx 7600 is solid value

Also a good mobo

[manic cloak]

Is there any like good wireless transmitters for IEMs?

or wireless connectors? i've seen like ones that can loop around your ears but have a battery of about 4-6 hours, then there's some that look like ipods but apparently are crappy

just my cable gets tangled alot and i've nearly yanked out the usb-c connector from how short the length is

[weak flint]

Guys do I get the ap201 or qube 500?

[analog hearth]

AP201 is goated

"It's just a normal mATX case" it's probably one of the best cases I’ve built in lol

Good MFF case

MFF but can still fit a phat GPU

[grave crescent]

As much of a pain as it will probably be to get I am hoping to get a 6700xt due to the performance point it brings

I could be wrong but it seems to me like it should allow me to download pretty much any game and run it well at decent settings which is something I wasn’t able to do with my old pc

[wide drum]

It's been a bit since I've done a new build, curious if anyone has any thoughts on my general order of events.

1. Build PC
2. Flash BIOS to newest version with USB (already have one configured)
3. First boot
4. Enable EXPO
5. Install Windows (should I do updates here or later?)
6. Chipset Drivers
7. GPU Drivers
8. Network, Audio drivers
9. Benchmark/testing software
10. All other software

[tawny violet]

I'd personally leave EXPO as step 8

perhaps it's overly cautious of me, but I've had issues installing windows with EXPO enabled before

[wide drum]

im fine doing that

do people generally do windows updates before everything else? or is it best to just do those right away

[stoic island]

I've accidentally borked a windows install by enabling expo before installing so yea I'd leave that to after you've done software

[wide drum]

any thoughts on when to do windows updates? i actually think it will ask me to upgrade to 11 since ill be using a 10 key

[wide drum]

also a 550w PSU is too low for this machine right?

[stoic island]

like updating from w10 to w11? Do it whenever, but microsoft is gonna try to force people by not offering any more security updates

[stoic island]

yea no 3080 alone spikes to like 400w

[wide drum]

Well the main question was about updates overall, like just get windows installed then do chipset, gpu, etc. or install windows, then fully update, then proceed to chipset, gpu, etc

[stoic island]

windows is just going to give you the latest version at time of making the media creation tool

you generally don't need to update if when you just made the tool

everything software could be done basically at the same time tbh, don't need to have any order to it

[wide drum]

i was just gonna use the windows 10 usb i got a few years ago lol

ill see if i can get the creation tool to work with my 10 key for 11

[chilly pilot]

may i ask a couple of questions about updating the Bios on my PC?

[stoic island]

no reason why you can't

[chilly pilot]

I bought all my PC parts one by one starting around 2020 and finished building almost 2 years later. Now i have a new CPU does that mean i have to update the bios from the year 2020 the current one by one?

[analog hearth]

BIOS update then change BIOS settings

I also try to fit all drivers into the Windows installation before restarting for the first time. It's just quicker that way lol

Actually I take that back. Here's what I do (in this order):

• Install Windows (log into Windows, etc. until I’m at the desktop)
• Win+R > main.cpl > Enter > (Mouse Properties appears) > Shift+Tab > Right-arrow > Right-arrow > Tab > Tab > Space > Enter
• Install drivers

Yes all of that second step is from memory

And it's muscle memory every time I do it lol

[tawny violet]

What does that muscle memory do exactly?

[analog hearth]

Turns off mouse acceleration

Many don't feel a difference with it on and off but I swear there's a difference

[tawny violet]

Ah

I'll have to check if I have it on

Default is on right?

[analog hearth]

Yep

It's the "Enhance pointer precision" checkbox

I also just now learned that you can do "Alt+E" to toggle it without doing the "Tab > Tab > Space" part

Tab tab space is muscle memory to me though lol

[stoic island]

No, follow any directions for updating to a certain version before more recent, mostly applicable to am4 boards where beyond a certain version they remove support for older chips, but other than that, you can skip around as much as you want

[chilly pilot]

i can just get to the most recent bios update? I have an MAG B550 Tomahawk from MSI and i'm trying to put a Ryzon 7 5800 in

[stoic island]

yea

[chilly pilot]

awsome, and i have to put the new CPU in and the USB drive in the correct usb slot?

[stoic island]

You should update it before putting the new CPU

[chilly pilot]

alrighty then

[mossy venture]

@grave crescent
https://www.ebay.com/itm/116532980670?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=I8ORr0BxSt6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[grave crescent]

On nausea Dwayne Ricardo Onfroy should I buy this right now

[mossy venture]

Lmao

[grave crescent]

It it trustworthy for sure?

[mossy venture]

Yeah a few people I've helped have ordered from the store

$260 is pretty average for a used/refurb 6700xt

Seller has a 30 day warranty for return/replacement if there's any issues

[grave crescent]

Yeah I saw that’s the refurb price but they’ve all been out of stock

Says used excellent

I’m hesitant to buy stuff but I should probably buy this right now yeah?

[mossy venture]

Yeah they probably pulled them from working systems

[mossy venture]

Imo yeah, unless you want to try to find one cheaper on Facebook marketplace or r/hardwareswap

I doubt you'll find significantly cheaper on ebay

[grave crescent]

But that could take a while to get something wouldn’t it

[mossy venture]

It could

If i were buying a gpu rn, I would buy it

[grave crescent]

I don’t live in a big city or anything so not very many local options s

I don’t have a pc at all so I’ve been hoping to build this one soon

This plus r5 7500f you linked me a few days ago then should be good for my under 1k price point shouldn’t it

[mossy venture]

100%

Oh here $117
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008073076500.html

[grave crescent]

Cool I’ll get to ordering then thanks

That one’s even cheaper I think

[mossy venture]

Order cpu/gpu give me one sec

https://computers.woot.com/offers/msi-pro-x670-p-wifi-proseries-motherboard-5

Fantastic mobo for $120

[grave crescent]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808308223134.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

Should I get this one with rhe 20 dollars off or the other one you linked just now

[tawny violet]

NGL I don't like MSI mobos

Basically any of them

[mossy venture]

The one i just linked

[grave crescent]

Ok

[tawny violet]

I'd not buy them myself

[mossy venture]

A $120 x670 is cheaper than any decent b650

And its a fantastic mobo

[tawny violet]

I mean that's true

[mossy venture]

Msi bios is a little annoying but its unbeatable value

[stoic island]

I'm just gonna say I like MSI mobos and cancel out the personal preference

[tawny violet]

But like
It looks rarted

[stoic island]

you can get used to any bios with some experience with it (outside of Asus renaming things)

[tawny violet]

Ye aSUS bios is confusing as hell

[grave crescent]

I had a Msi b450 bazooka man WiFi and I didn’t have any issues

[tawny violet]

Ah yes because I want my motherboard to shoot rocket-propelled grenades out the rear IO

[mossy venture]

Here's the full list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B6KXFZ

Insane upgrade potential for that too

9800x3d or whatever next gen equivelant, and literally any gpu

[tawny violet]

Oh ye that's like a sleeper build

[tawny violet]

Maybe not literally any

[mossy venture]

A 5090 would be fine on that psu

[tawny violet]

Considering that case IIRC has like a 320mm length limit

[mossy venture]

Oh 345mm

Tiny bit restricting but would fit most

[tawny violet]

Ah fair enough

That is good value

I love how you put the same memory I intend to get lol

Just such good value at the price

[mossy venture]

Btw do you have a monitor yet?

[grave crescent]

No I don’t

Just ordered the card

Also how exactly do I get windows on this thing

Same process as windows 10?

[grave crescent]

Where should I get the mobo from? Only place it had listed is an overpriced Amazon link

[stoic island]

Right up here

[grave crescent]

Oh mb thanks

[tall shard]

Is the msi mag 650bn a good psu

[stoic island]

It's fine as a budget psu

[tall shard]

As long as my pc don’t blow up

[mossy venture]

Depends on your gpu

It won't blow up but it could cause issues if your gpu needs a better psu

[grave crescent]

So for extra storage what hard drive would be recommended

Just a sea gate barricade 2 or 3tb probably? Or are ssds cheap enough for me to get a good large one now

[mossy venture]

2tb is about $90-100

4tb would be $180-200

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q7kH99/klevv-cras-c910-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-k02tbm2sp0-c91

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TmbRsY/kingspec-xf-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-xf-4tb-2280

[grave crescent]

I was thinking a similar setup as I had before where I have a good drive for windows and a few other things and then a worse large drive for other things

So I don’t need another m.2 really

[mossy venture]

You can just do a single 2tb, you dont need a separate OS drive unless you have an hdd in the system

[grave crescent]

Hopefully that board won’t be buggy I just looked at the reviews and there’s a lot of complaints

[pearl gulch]

I've always wanted a 'good' setup for sound, but couldn't possibly fathom the correct way to do a medium to high-end sound setup.
Looking for something surround-sound capable... would be nice if it's something I can put on the back of my desk chair or something because there's no good way for me to put surround sound in my setup without that... thoughts?

[mossy venture]

nah it's good, every product will have some bad user reviews

[grave crescent]

Hopefully

But if not I’m sure I can return it since it’s an Amazon company

[mossy venture]

yep i believe 30 day return policy on woot

[topaz rose]

bacca did u see the ram i got

i forgot

'

'

'

OOO @mossy venture wanna hear how my nvme is worst than my sata drive in this build, its like so funny

[fleet pagoda]

What would cause my graphics card drivers to crash constantly

They are up to date

Temps are fine

I even reinstalled them

Its always right when i find a match on valorant

Maybe its a sign

[wide drum]

if youre using a 4x card using 572 thats a problem

[fleet pagoda]

Its a 3060ti

[mossy venture]

Sure

[mossy venture]

Valorant anti cheat causes issues

Also try reinstalling valorant

Did you run ddu when you reinstalled drivers?

[fleet pagoda]

I haven’t i just clicking reinstall from the nvidia software

Riot games spyware is mining bitcoin on my pc

[mossy venture]

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[wide drum]

man shipping times do be sucking lately, half my build gonna take weeks it seems like

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-intensifies-zootopia-intensifies-waiting-impatient-gif-9739240072909568285

[chilly idol]

Hello there!

Would this be the appropriate place to ask for someone's help with my build? I am so absolutley stumped!

[wide drum]

Go for it

[languid nimbus]

[chilly idol]

My issue is that whenever I load into a game, it right crashes out. Simple games like Minecraft/Fortnite.

I have upgraded the PSU, Installed a 1070, Swapped out Ram, Drivers are up to date everywhere i can find to update them.

Cpu: Ryzen 5 5600g with Radeon Graphics
16gb ddr4 Ram
500 gb ssd
Gtx 1070

[mossy venture]

Whats happening when it crashes?

Is the game just closing?

[chilly idol]

Fortnite will clip back to the almost compleate load screen before crashing to desktop

Previously the entire display would go black like the gpu wasnt getting enough power

I can hop into a vc, Screen share, do what needs to be done. Been fighting with thos build for way too long

[topaz rose]

i just realied i never used DDU swapping to the 7700xt in this rig lmfao

[mossy venture]

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[grave crescent]

If this pc sucks it’s all your fault

Nah I’m jk but I just bought what you listed because they all looked like good options so didn’t bother to change anything

Now I get to sit and wait impatiently for all this stuff to arrive

[wide drum]

Could be like me, I ordered custom psu cables that are coming from Hong Kong, will be weeks till I can assemble

[grave crescent]

That sucks

But my copy is coming from china I think so might be a bit

CPU

[wide drum]

And MSI told me they shipped my GPU but they didn't actually ship anything, they just created the label, six days no update

[grave crescent]

I’m not rich enough for custom cables

I don’t even care for the parts to color match

[wide drum]

I don't think $100 cables make you rich but I also understand

[grave crescent]

I’m tryna save for a house but lost my pc that’s the only reason I’m doing this

Didn’t upgrade a single thing for the 4 years of that pcs life

[wide drum]

That's fair, buying a house is ass right now

If I hadn't bought mine before covid destroyed the market I'd probably feel like I'll never own one

And we want to sell ours but basically never can because we will never see interest rates as low as our current one again

[topaz rose]

driver update time

[lone flame]

@mossy venture are you alive this late

[cyan ravine]

No I killed him

[lone flame]

well i can ask you then

[cyan ravine]

There can only be one pro builder

In this gauntlet

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-mexican-standoff-finger-guns-michael-scott-dwight-schrute-gif-15805326

anyway my friend in the UK's prebuilt he had for like ever finally died, i think the cpu, and he wants to get a new one, he is considering prebuilt, but I am trying to see if he can get more value out of a custom build

this would be the prebuilt he is looking at currently, think his budget was 1500 https://www.awd-it.co.uk/awd-it-frame-4000d-rs-ryzen-5-7600x-6-core-amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-desktop-pc-for-gaming.html

i tried to match that prebuilt just by going onto uk pcpartpicker and tried to match identical specs to custom parts to see if i could get it cheaper

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BRbpNz

dont judge i still suck at lists sir

figured id consult the actual smart people

[cyan ravine]

Ew

Ok thanks discord

[cyan ravine]

Ew to this

Stupid ui

[cyan ravine]

I like this

Hate the prebuilt

There's only one ok motherboard

The ram is all crap corsair

[lone flame]

yeah ik

[cyan ravine]

The psus are onlu udgm

Ew

[lone flame]

i was looking and im like why is this all corsair

[cyan ravine]

It's 1577 gbp for a reasonable spec

Which is 2k usd

[lone flame]

approval from the goat himself, give me techie role!

[cyan ravine]

Ew af

[cyan ravine]

Hey keep those lists up for a bit longer I might *nominate

Lol

Good builders deserve the credit

It's how bacca got the role

[lone flame]

i am NOT even close to that role lol

i want to understand the software side of pcs way better

hardware ive gotten way better at considering ive built like 2 1/2 pcs

[cyan ravine]

If I say I like that list without much else to say you're doing incredibly well

I'm honest, only the psu was a little pricey but I was sure there was a decent reason there

Being good at lists is just doing your homework on prices and remembering a few key facts and resources

Eventually you'll get to the point where you can just do it in 5 minutes on the fly

[lone flame]

psu seemed like one of the cheapest out of the 850golds on uk pcpartpicker

idk how msi's are

[cyan ravine]

AGL is there but hey, 20 pounds only? Not too bad

Better to go with what you know

[lone flame]

ik bequiet is super solid iirc

[lone flame]

i think i did it in like 6-7 lol

[cyan ravine]

AGL is just an RMe but MSI flavoured basically

[lone flame]

stuff like bios and software just confuse me so bad

RMe is my op

[cyan ravine]

Different cables but same basic performance

[lone flame]

i cannot recommend tbh

[cyan ravine]

Eh y

[cyan ravine]

You don't need to be smart at those to build well

Just remember the numbers

[lone flame]

yeah well ive had people in my online friend group come to me for software related help like that cause they know im the best with pcs out of them

and i couldnt help them lol

[cyan ravine]

Just tell them you build and not use

Lmfao

"I sculpt my creations and put them on display"

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-nickelodeon-handsome-squidward-funny-meme-gif-14625359

[lone flame]

anyway

what would you change w/ that list to better fit a 1500uk budget

would be primarily for gaming I believe

[cyan ravine]

At 1500 I'd have minimum 5080

[lone flame]

for 1500??

[cyan ravine]

9070xt build should be more like 1200 gbp

Uh yeah

1500 is almost 2k usd

[lone flame]

i forget uk is worth more than us dollar

[cyan ravine]

Guess with vat involved it could be a bit less?

[lone flame]

sorry

[cyan ravine]

You're fine

[lone flame]

could you make one for me......

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-doing-now-homer-simpson-hmm-thinking-whistle-gif-17896520

[mossy venture]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2t2k8Q

[cyan ravine]

Sure
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/QDH3db

Black prices are suggested msrp

[lone flame]

goats as usual

ty guys

[earnest olive]

doing a build for someone with a $1000 budget, may be used for some light gaming but main use case will be getting into machine learning

I'm thinking 12gb 3060 is the best choice? even though it's only $20 cheaper than a 4060

cuda is a requirement

[cyan ravine]

Used 3080 12gb/Ti

Something like 12600kf

[earnest olive]

no used unfortunately

also has to be itx so that eats a bit of budget

[cyan ravine]

That's just suffering

The gpu market is destroyed rn

[earnest olive]

yeah looks like it lol

paying msrp for a 3060 feels wrong

[cyan ravine]

He's volunteering for at least 40% markup on the most expensive part

[cyan ravine]

Ironically for 300 it's ok rn

But like

3080 would be leagues better

Lol

If he had a 1500 budget he could do used 3090

Which is near the peak for consumer ai rn outside of expensive workstation cards

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kJck8Q was thinking something along these lines

looks like used 3080s are going for 450 on hws anyway so that's kinda out of budget

[cyan ravine]

[earnest olive]

and that's 10gb

[cyan ravine]

Yes that's why I suggested

[earnest olive]

for what it's worth

it's for a 12 year old who currently daily drives an i5-10210u laptop

so i don't think i need to push them to up the budget for a 3090

[earnest olive]

yeah, i get it

but is there much better to be done with the constraints?

was gonna ask the dad if he wants to upgrade cooling, storage, or memory to get closer to $1000 or just stick with $940

[cyan ravine]

@earnest olive
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8L3RHW

[earnest olive]

physical clearances should be good

[cyan ravine]

Here's how to sff without going sff

20L case

3080 12gb (put Ti but you get what I mean)

[earnest olive]

damn that 12600kf is cheap

[cyan ravine]

20L is considered ITX form factor

D32/Z20 does that with atx

If he had a bigger budget I could slip in genuine itx

But I'd consider this just as long as the gpu is used

[earnest olive]

5 year old used gpu gonna be a hard sell I think

can try

[cyan ravine]

D32 is like smaller than an nr200p iirc

Lol

[cyan ravine]

I mean 4070 also works

It's worse tho

As is 5070

Bit bus ruins them for ai

If you want genuine improvements over ampere for LLM you go workstation

[earnest olive]

oof, 3080ti is going for 575 on hws

[cyan ravine]

Or 4090

[cyan ravine]

Ya look for just 3080 12gb

You should find them sub 500

Minmaxed build to hell he can even overclock on a riptide board lmao

Pro rs b660m also works with ddr4 if you can't find the 3080ti for cheap enough

It's just a little pepega to rock ddr4 in a new build in 2025 is all

[earnest olive]

3080 12gb going for 550 💀

[cyan ravine]

I'm sure there's cheaper

3080 10gb for 450 but 3080 12gb sits in the middle? Nah lol

You have room to expand about 50 more or so if you go ddr4 and skimp wifi

Used 12600kf could also bring in more, as would used ddr4

[earnest olive]

there's like 1 3080 12gb on ebay

[cyan ravine]

The market is ass rn

Lol

[earnest olive]

yeah im painfully aware

[cyan ravine]

Honestly in fact, msrp 9070 also worth considering

550

[earnest olive]

cuda is a requirement

[cyan ravine]

9070 had a huge ai leap

Unless his workload specifically uses cuda api it's not out of the question

Gets more vram for him which is a big jump

Ai workloads depend on vram pooling limits, if he can pool more, even if it's a little slower it's better because he can run it

Rather than not at all

Anyway those are my two cents, if you can push for a 3080 12gb I would

More used parts would def get you there if they're only going for 550 rn

[flint sapphire]

This market sucks

[earnest olive]

they wanted 0 used parts so 1 is gonna be a hard sell already

[cyan ravine]

Like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8dBvmC

[cyan ravine]

They need to budge on the gpu seriously

Ampere is the best for Ai overall

It's better than ada

Unless you get an msrp blackwell it's better than blackwell too

They will be shooting themselves in the foot getting a 3060 12gb that's like half as fast lol

Nothing wrong with one but considering the options it's a big loss

[earnest olive]

i mean i totally agree

my own daily driver is like 90% used parts

maybe more like 95%

[cyan ravine]

I know you get it, just helping convince you to try lol

[earnest olive]

but can't always minmax with used parts when building for boomer parents

[cyan ravine]

And adding context of his use case

The ai users in our server mainly pick ampere intentionally

So this is first hand from people in the industry

[earnest olive]

asking if someone is willing to go used on the gpu has been the first question i've asked anyone with <$5000 budget for like 5 years now 💀

[cyan ravine]

Ye ik

Sips I haven't forgotten you lol

But they really need to understand ampere is essential at their budget

And used is the obvious way to go about that

[earnest olive]

on a side note apparently my old 3090 kicked the bucket about a year after i sold it

[cyan ravine]

Otherwise it'd be like msrp 9070 or 5070

[cyan ravine]

Dead vram?

[earnest olive]

unsure

[cyan ravine]

Typical death case is vram

Others are 110c hotspot

[earnest olive]

it was a repadded strix so prob not anything temp related

[cyan ravine]

I've heard strix cards don't age well lately lol

[earnest olive]

perhaps

[cyan ravine]

Think it was war pig? Said his wife's 3080 strix was overheating

The double sided vram doesn't help

[earnest olive]

when i sent it out i think vram temps were peaking like

mid 70s

with auto fan curve]

[cyan ravine]

Better than my tuf

[earnest olive]

core in the 60s

[cyan ravine]

Thing was doing 100C

Lmfao

The guy bought a loop as well tho so it's fine now

[earnest olive]

surprising for a card to stop posting after 3.5 years or so

[cyan ravine]

Planned obsolescence perhaps

[earnest olive]

my 4080 tuf is still doing great on temps, haven't felt any desire to open it

[cyan ravine]

You should see the new 9070s man

They do mid 50s lmao

I just got mine the other day

[earnest olive]

I've been playing path traced cyberpunk

think it stays low 60s

[earnest olive]

still on the factory paste

[cyan ravine]

Kinda insane for a card that spikes to 450 constantly

And up to 550/600

The hotspot is big af but I actually lucked out I think

Knock on wood

[earnest olive]

i'm job searching rn, may have to consider an SFF build for myself if i end up having to move

was honestly thinking about sidegrading? to a smaller 9070xt cause this 4080 is a brick

[cyan ravine]

D32/Z20

Like seriously consider that case

Matx is all you need

Z20 comes with a carry handle

[earnest olive]

i honestly wouldn't mind shelling out for proper itx

[cyan ravine]

Very few with handles

[cyan ravine]

The XTs are also bricks lol

[earnest olive]

i'd have more of a budget than a use case tbh

[cyan ravine]

There's a couple models that are dual slot

Like prime

Reaper

Swift is 2.5?

But most are 3 slot or more

[earnest olive]

like this 4080 is probably overkill for me

but one concern i have is

if i'm selling my old pc

the 4080 legit doesn't fit in the case lol

i run side panel off

[cyan ravine]

Wym

Doesn't fit how

[earnest olive]

can't close the glass

[cyan ravine]

Cable?

[earnest olive]

well

I haven't tried but I probably can if I remove the 180° adapter

gonna be a really painful cable smash though

[cyan ravine]

Get one of those 90 degree cablemod cables

No adapter

They're good for situations like that

If the case closes with the gpu in then it should work just fine

[earnest olive]

I liked the look of the 180 and I was already running side glass off for the ram

but don't think I can sell a pc that doesn't close lol

[cyan ravine]

Yeah you'd wanna fix that