#building-and-recc-chat

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calm dove
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running fine

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+6 months

mossy venture
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Mwe bronze v2 is good

calm dove
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right now

mossy venture
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Mwe gold v2 is also good

calm dove
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7700/4070super/32ram

mossy venture
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The 230v version is bad

cyan ravine
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650 mwe v2 is barely good enough

calm dove
mossy venture
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It's better than the ABN at least

calm dove
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the one we bought

cyan ravine
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Yep not that one

mossy venture
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No that's the 230v version

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Thats bad

cyan ravine
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Lmao

calm dove
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using right now one

mossy venture
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Doesn't make it good

calm dove
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willing to buy a 5060 in future

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RIP

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but

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its working kekw

mossy venture
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5060 likely won't be better than a 7700xt

mossy venture
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The issue with a mediocre or bad psu is it works until it doesn't

calm dove
calm dove
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i dont care

mossy venture
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It could be 5 years it could be 2 weeks

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The ABN is better than that one

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It would be fine with a 7700xt, not ideal but fine

calm dove
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wait for a 4060 ?

mossy venture
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Mwe bronze v2, non 230v version is a step above the ABN

calm dove
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bad ?

mossy venture
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The 4060 is also terrible

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It's worse than a 6700xt

calm dove
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i know

mossy venture
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Then why downgrade from the 7700xt

calm dove
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MSI MAG A650BN 650 W 80+ Bronze + 4060 bad ?

calm dove
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4060 ti is 480$

mossy venture
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How much is a 6700xt, 7600, 6750xt, and the 7700xt

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7600 is slightly worse than 4060, all of the others are 10%+ better

calm dove
mossy venture
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Dayum

calm dove
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yes sir

mossy venture
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Is there a website you're using or what?

calm dove
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searched all websites

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not the first time i built a pc

mossy venture
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Wb 3060 ti/3070?

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If not 4060 it is ig

calm dove
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only 3060 350$

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3070 same +500$

mossy venture
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Or maybe a 6600xt/6650xt/6700

calm dove
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hhhhhh

pearl gulch
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when you spend your whole weekend trying to build a PC but you changed your mind on what you want so many times... the weekend is over and you got zilch on the PC you want to spend ur tax return on.

mossy venture
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What are you looking for?

pearl gulch
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i been poking this chat all weekend lol

mossy venture
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Ah alr

pearl gulch
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just switched to trying to do a different form factor to make my case light enough for myself, but also have the PC still pack more punch than I need for the next 2 years

mossy venture
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Oh that's pretty easy, what are you looking to spend and what're you using it for?

pearl gulch
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3-4k, gaming, light game development (learning with someone in the industry), a lot of multitasking (2 monitors, often 2-3 games running at the same time)...

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and usually about 50-100 tabs of chrome open at a time :X

mossy venture
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Wifi or ethernet?

pearl gulch
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ethernet, bluetooth availability would be great, but my last 2 PC's couldn't get it to operate at all, so i've gone about 6 years without...

mossy venture
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Oh we were talking last night weren't we

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Here's a rough idea

pearl gulch
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no, I just made the decision like 30 minutes ago to try matx lol

mossy venture
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I'm going crazy then

pearl gulch
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i was there when someone else was talking about matx

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i remember ur name 😛

mossy venture
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Can also look at z20 plus, d31, uhh dan a3

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Case options

pearl gulch
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how does air flow in matx cases fair?

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like if I were to run space engineers, my air flow in my current pc can barely keep my card cool enough

calm dove
mossy venture
mossy venture
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With the lian li a3 id buy 3-5 fans and you're set

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Diff psu because it needs a smaller one

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About half the size of the a3

pearl gulch
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man that looks almost the size of the pc's i used to have to setup at people's desks for work

mossy venture
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Yeah lol it's tiny tiny

pearl gulch
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there's going to be some kind of pride for making a tiny behemoth of a computer.

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looks like both those lists use integrated graphics?

mossy venture
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Gpu pricing is really wack atm, so I'd go with whatever you can find thats reasonably priced

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Some game dev stuff might require nvidia

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9070xt has abt another month or so till it's out, that's what I'd be waiting for if I were buying rn

pearl gulch
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interesting. I might be building this computer for about a month 😛

mossy venture
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7900xt and xtx have come in and out of stock a few times recently at decent prices, but otherwise used/refurb is the best choice rn

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You could also build and carry over a current gpu if you have one

pearl gulch
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i got my old 1080 ti that I'm planning to put in my GF's old computer, which was my last hand-me-down

mossy venture
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Ahh

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Whats she running rn?

pearl gulch
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oof, some really old junk from before people decided to universally agree that SLI bridging wasn't much of a performance boost, if any.

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was good once upon a time.

mossy venture
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Lmao tbf 1080 ti falls in that category

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Great gpu tho

pearl gulch
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yea, but 1080 TI is still considered

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^

mossy venture
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I almost was on one recently

pearl gulch
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but for S&G's ill check out that gpu

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lol, it's 2 1070 Ti's

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feels like I could make a few decent matx boxes for cheap if I really tried, using old gpu's

mossy venture
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You could definitely hang onto one for either of the builds for now and hold off on a new gpu imo

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1070 ti is also pretty solid

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Only like 20% below a 1080 ti iirc

pearl gulch
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i bought them before prices went nuts too

mossy venture
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Her cpus prolly the issue, if its as old as the gpus

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Or storage, if she's not using an ssd for windows

mossy venture
pearl gulch
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oh no, she's on a 1TB SSD storage with 2 TB HDD, so at least that's fine

mossy venture
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New prices were pretty ok too

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But stock dried up before new gen launch, amd delayed their gpus and nvidia barely had any 50 series in stock

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So now we're here

mossy venture
calm dove
pearl gulch
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man, so many options

mossy venture
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And its got really bad voltage control

calm dove
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agree

mossy venture
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It should be D tier imo

calm dove
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but atleast not f/e tier

mossy venture
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Not enough for a 7700xt

calm dove
pearl gulch
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I have like 10 lists open right now I need to sift through

calm dove
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👍

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@mossy venture

mossy venture
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The stock cooler would be fine or a cheaper cooler if possible, but thats abt the only critique I have

calm dove
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i can save on the case

mossy venture
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Whats the price diff for a 12400f with a cheap mobo?

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Yeah case too

calm dove
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like 40-50$ cases

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but most of these cases have molex fans working 100% cant turn rgb off

mossy venture
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Oof

calm dove
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but they have airflow+ 4 fans

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  • unknown brand for the us
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MSI MAG FORGE M100A RGB 50$

mossy venture
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That looks decent

calm dove
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Gamdias Aura GC1 50$

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Gamdias Aura GC2 50$

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Gamdias Aura GC3 Elite Mesh 50$

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would you save 30 $ ?

mossy venture
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Id put that money towards a better mobo personally

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B450m prime or almost any b550

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Wait how do yall feel about aliexpress, if its an option

calm dove
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nope

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customs+long shipping

mossy venture
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Ah alr

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What about a cheaper cooler, or just using the stock cooler

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It'll stay around 80c and under

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Id say in this case I'd prioritize mobo>case>cooler

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Can always add a cooler in later, not really worth it to swap case or mobo later on

calm dove
mossy venture
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Oof if those are the only options probably the b450, as long as it has bios flashback

pearl gulch
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how come the part lists people link here to help me are missing all the other fields that are normally there?

mossy venture
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The b550 does have 1 more nvme slot tho

mossy venture
pearl gulch
mossy venture
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You mean os and monitor?

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Oh it's because you're not editing the list, you're viewing it

pearl gulch
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ohhhh

mossy venture
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If you click edit this list at the top it'll show, but the list you're editing gets removed

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You can swap back w the history button

pearl gulch
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oof, thanks for the warning though

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trying to make sense of some things 2 dudes said about memory performance limitations last night...
When I was relaying the info to my friend, he suggested that I wait for them to fix the issues with DDR5 and how more than 48gb would be a performance loss

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but from what I can tell, those issues won't get resolved anytime soon if they haven't been fixed in the last 2 years.

cyan ravine
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Sorry had to go for a bit lol

calm dove
calm dove
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or im wrong

potent portal
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Good power supplies will run for 15 years before they die

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Bad ones might last 1-3

cyan ravine
# calm dove or im wrong

No, many psus are as cheap as they are because they don't pack the safeties that cause them to cost more

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The things that

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For example stop a fire

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Save other parts

calm dove
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no ?

cyan ravine
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Switch off to save itself

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Those sorts of things are important

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And the cheaper units most often don't pack these things

calm dove
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but would you care if its 500-600$ build

potent portal
cyan ravine
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So there's like a genuine quality difference beyond it being "gold" or "bronze"

cyan ravine
potent portal
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There's gold rated units that will literally explode if you run it at 100% load

cyan ravine
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I don't consider budget as much as I consider an ample unit for the parts used

calm dove
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yeah i know that

pearl gulch
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whoa

calm dove
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but in general gold > bronze

cyan ravine
cyan ravine
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In fact many gold units are firebombs

potent portal
cyan ravine
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Like the above gif

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And fal's 3 dead psus

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Aresgame sells dodgy gold units

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There's a reason cybernetics exists, it's to replace the old gold silver bronze system

pearl gulch
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i've only ever had one psu kick the bucket on me and it just straight up died after like 8 years.

cyan ravine
covert vapor
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80+ is just a theoretical power efficiency standard, not a quality standard

mossy venture
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Thermaltake smart white rated

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My favorite

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Idk how i didn't kill my 3060 ti

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I tripped ocp on it so many times

calm dove
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psu in consoles are good ?

cyan ravine
stoic island
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Having a working OCP is a good thing

mossy venture
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My skytech build was supposed to have a 600w gold and it came with a 500w bomb

cyan ravine
calm dove
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interesting

cyan ravine
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Consoles for example come with surge protection

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Many PC's don't

pearl gulch
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you guys are making me more scared. need to look out for which vendors now...?

mossy venture
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Nah just the model mainly

cyan ravine
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All brands have good and bad units

pearl gulch
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thanks. currently looking for a good wifi m.2 that can give me bluetooth instead (my old mobo doesn't support bluetooth, but has a wifi m.2)
my mobo specs say: Supports type 2230 WiFi/BT PCIe WiFi module and Intel® CNVi (Integrated WiFi/BT)

calm dove
cyan ravine
cyan ravine
pearl gulch
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aren't most wifi kits usb?

cyan ravine
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Intel ax200/ax210 will give you that

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
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all usb attempts to bluetooth have failed in the last 6 years for me. trying out the m.2

cyan ravine
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But the cards that go in the m.2 don't need the usb

calm dove
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lets see how my psu will last kekw

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lessgooo

cyan ravine
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Put it this way

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$40 to insure a $1000 pc is pretty small

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That's basically what the psu suggestion entails

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People pay more per year for car insurance per % lol

pearl gulch
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wait, insure? since when are we insuring pc's? just in case the psu kills a pc?

calm dove
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but others components still good

cyan ravine
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PSU is the one thing I'm ok with overspending on

cyan ravine
calm dove
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i think it was c tier

cyan ravine
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Yes

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And for older stuff that's fine

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When you say 7700XT to me I think "B tier minimum"

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And compared to actual PSU people I'm being generous

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They'd tell you A tier

calm dove
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yeah yeah 👍

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thanks

cyan ravine
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Np

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Remember the last time Luke was in here he was suggesting like a 750W A tier psu for a 3060Ti pc

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Lol

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It was like, a core reactor which is $100 with a 11400 and 3060ti or something like that and even he was worried about issues

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I consider that really overkill personally

calm dove
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luke ? dont remember

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joined 2021

cyan ravine
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He was here in 2021

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He's a cultists dude

calm dove
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not old on the server

cyan ravine
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But I don't use the tier list anymore myself

calm dove
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whats his pfp

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hhhhh

cyan ravine
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It's dated

calm dove
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oh okey

cyan ravine
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I use cybernetics

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Cmaris, the guy who makes it

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He's the guy that most of that list is based off of

potent portal
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His last message was in 2023

cyan ravine
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He's now making standard tests which appear on all psu boxes

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Yep that's the guy

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That's luke

calm dove
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oh okey

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i dont know him lol

cyan ravine
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He and the other cultists base most of their opinions of Cmaris or jonnyGURU

potent portal
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You're not expected to know him. He's well known but only in a niche space.

cyan ravine
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I mainly just use cmaris and cybernetics

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Cos cybernetics tests are excellent

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Jonny just talks corsair stuff

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Or mostly does anyway

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He's the reason most corsair psus are good honestly

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Very knowledgeable

vague oracle
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Damn I completely forgot that Luke was here

cyan ravine
potent portal
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They know their list isn't perfect, but it's better than nothing

cyan ravine
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It was last updated like a year ago? In that time a couple fire hazards appeared and I think they're still listed in their old tiers

calm dove
potent portal
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Jonny does iirc

cyan ravine
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As well as vids

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Jonny is...idk about vids. I mostly learn from his random discord messages that spread like wildfire lmao

calm dove
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this ?

vague oracle
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I pretty much just stick with corsair PSUs for the most part because most are solid

potent portal
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Super Flower too

cyan ravine
calm dove
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this is rare kekw

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not popular

cyan ravine
covert vapor
calm dove
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not from usa i think ?

cyan ravine
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No he's european

calm dove
cyan ravine
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I use his psu reviews all the time

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I think his charts are pretty good to follow

pearl gulch
cyan ravine
potent portal
pearl gulch
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ohrly

pearl gulch
potent portal
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No

cyan ravine
potent portal
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The notch is in a physically different location and it will not fit

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If it was M+E key then it would work but it's not

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Also CNVi support is pretty poor

cyan ravine
potent portal
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What? Where?

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
potent portal
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Oh it's under "slots" and not "storage"

pearl gulch
potent portal
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So yes it does have an E key M.2 then

cyan ravine
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It's one or the other

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I would not go wifi 7, not worth and has legacy compatibility issues

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Wifi 6E has low latency improvements, it's good enough

pearl gulch
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and it's cheap, ill try that one out and see if i can get bluetooth to work on this thing

cyan ravine
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Np

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Easy return if it doesn't work (I normally just keep them, eventually it's useful lol)

pearl gulch
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yea, that's what I did to the half dozen usb bluetooth adapters I had bought over the years to try to get functional bluetooth...

cyan ravine
potent portal
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Make sure to get a bracket for the antenna connectors and a couple antennae too

cyan ravine
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Yeah it has this

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I noticed that as well

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Or well it should do, the picture shows it

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You need antennas or no wifi will happen

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Lol

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The key E cards are good, they come loaded with bluetooth

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So you should be set to go

pearl gulch
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Only support Windows 10*64bit;
Antenna Set: 6Dbi Antenna Length: 19.5cm, IPEX MHF4 U.FL Length: 20cm.

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comes with the antenna, but says it doesn't support win 11?

cyan ravine
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Windows 11 is 10 with a reskin

pearl gulch
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aight aight, because I have seen some things not support win 11

cyan ravine
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They run off the same base code

pearl gulch
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well, I've seen some real legacy stuff not work on the upgrade to 11

cyan ravine
potent portal
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There is an issue with running wifi 7 on windows 10, only Intel chipsets will work on that config.

cyan ravine
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All 6E cards came out just before 11 did

pearl gulch
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man if i could remember what it was, i'd source it for you

cyan ravine
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And it's an intel card

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Intel was all behind win 11

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It'll work

potent portal
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Yes I'm just saying

cyan ravine
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Think of it like

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Plugging in a mouse

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Same principle

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They talk to the pc just like a usb would

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There's nothing that would physically prevent it working

pearl gulch
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well, this was a good talk, thanks for the assist

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i knew it was a good idea to dig a bit myself before asking

cyan ravine
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All good

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I enjoy teaching people the valuable sides of pc tech

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I learn a little every time

pearl gulch
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too bad we aren't talking about application administration, or I'd be more useful here 😛

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
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now for my 2nd goal of the night... find and purchase a SSD that will eventually go in my new PC, but I can use in my current PC to test some theories.

cyan ravine
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Always cheap

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Decent enough

pearl gulch
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and SSD heatsinks heatstink, right?

cyan ravine
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If you need one, uh, you can buy a random one from like thermalright

pearl gulch
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but i mean, there's almost no point in them unless you're crazy on storage.

cyan ravine
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Ehhhh

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Kinda a point

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They help handle a gpu dumping heat over them kekw

pearl gulch
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interesting, my current and last GPUs all dumped heat out the back

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which I'm actually not a fan of after burning my fingers on a hdmi input...

potent portal
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Blower cards? poop

pearl gulch
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blower?

cyan ravine
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Yeah I checked, no reasonable priced one with a heatsink @pearl gulch

potent portal
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One loud fan that blows all the air through the card and out the back

cyan ravine
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So c910, then a budget m.2 heatsink if your mobo doesn't have one

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Like a thermalright one, ek one

pearl gulch
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im less worried about reasonable pricing for SSD's. I want reliability, size, and performance

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my 980 pro apparently running at half speed on my mobo

cyan ravine
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Here's the thing

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Ssd's

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If you're not sitting at the pc copying copious data 24/7

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Gen 3, gen 4

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Dramless, dram

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Hot cold

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None of that actually does anything you'll notice the difference over

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As long as it's a decent enough all rounder with a good price it'll feel the same as the 980 pro

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It's only when you are doing those super heavy ssd stuff does it have any effect

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Based on a lot of tabulated data, the C910 is a reasonable mid range m.2 and it's a gen 4

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But it's also very cheap rn

pearl gulch
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for me, it's loading times when I'm trying to game with friends. I'm loading 2x slower than everyone else.

cyan ravine
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It's a 980 pro right

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Did you ever update the firmware

pearl gulch
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yea, i've been working through all the posibilities

potent portal
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You'd be surprised. A faster SSD doesn't actually help load times much.

pearl gulch
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last night, was mucking around the memory

crimson zinc
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A60 is a decent gen 3
It’s the cheapest available 1TB

pearl gulch
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but we noticed my memory speeds were way lower than they should be

cyan ravine
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On average most games have less than a 5% loading time difference between gen 4 and sata

potent portal
pearl gulch
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when running the troubleshooting tests

cyan ravine
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Let me guess

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10th gen cpu

pearl gulch
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it was the vendor utility. samsung wizard something

cyan ravine
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Samsung magician

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This is 10th gen yes

pearl gulch
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Name Intel Core i7 10700KF

cyan ravine
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Yep

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You know what your problem is

potent portal
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Nice call felix lol

pearl gulch
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ruh roh

cyan ravine
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980 pro is gen 4

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10700kf is gen 3 max

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Gen 3 is half speed

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
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whoa

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
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this is mind blowing

cyan ravine
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Well I know this cos I learned this in real time back in 2020

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And since then I never forgot lmao

pearl gulch
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lol

cyan ravine
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I will still suggest a gen 4 c910

pearl gulch
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so ill never get faster loading times with current pc?

cyan ravine
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And also a heatsink

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
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that's crazy

little osprey
cyan ravine
potent portal
pearl gulch
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i was wondering why even my HDD was slow

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like same speeds

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
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i worded that poorly

cyan ravine
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Lather it over like a ranch sauce

pearl gulch
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i was wondering why my SSD was only barely outperforming my HDD**

cyan ravine
plucky timber
cyan ravine
cyan ravine
plucky timber
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the only game where I notice loading time differences is microsoft flight sim

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the ONLY game

cyan ravine
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People only need gen 3 at most

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Even for 5090 man

pearl gulch
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when i load old games, i load half as fast as everyone else.

potent portal
cyan ravine
pearl gulch
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like call to arms or other RTS

plucky timber
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That's a good thing tbh

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since it's actually utilising the hardware

pearl gulch
plucky timber
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that might be a cpu thing

cyan ravine
little osprey
pearl gulch
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windows is on the SSD, and it is multiplayer, hence, with friends.

little osprey
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Or the cpu won't work

cyan ravine
little osprey
cyan ravine
plucky timber
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RTS games are very cpu heavy

pearl gulch
plucky timber
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It could also just be that your cpu is being hammered

cyan ravine
plucky timber
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also doesn't help if the game is single threaded too

cyan ravine
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You either have a really bloated ass install

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Or yeah the game is slow cos the cpu is being hammered

plucky timber
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Even Victoria II chugs for me

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in the late game

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that's a 15 year old game

potent portal
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Some drives slow down a LOT when they're more than 50% full

cyan ravine
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Potentially also usb shorts or display cable shorts can cause really slow loading issues

pearl gulch
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Intel Core i7 10700KF
you think this would be half as fast at loading over other modern cpu's from the same time?

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if not, maybe bloated install?

cyan ravine
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Depends on which

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Bloated install is very possible

pearl gulch
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how would one identify a bloated install?

cyan ravine
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Often times I ask people to wipe and reinstall I see them gain like 10% fps minimum lol

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Not reset

potent portal
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We have a debloat script for windows 11 pinned in #windows-ios

cyan ravine
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NEVER RESET

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Wipe and reinstall

cyan ravine
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The debloat script is huge alone

pearl gulch
cyan ravine
plucky timber
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RTS games have A LOT of calculations running in the background

cyan ravine
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Either way it sounds like something else is prevailing your speed issues rn

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Really bloated installs, also unstable ram can lead to really bad load times

pearl gulch
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lol

cyan ravine
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It's hard to say without investigating

plucky timber
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a game like hoi4 can bring even a top of the line cpu to its knees

pearl gulch
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well i spent all of yesterday finding out my RAM is in some dire straights

plucky timber
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what ram is it?

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
cyan ravine
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Lmao

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Ik

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But I need more hints before I can think of a solution

pearl gulch
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short version, ram was running at default speeds. set xmp profile, it kept failing to boot to OS.

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
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had to set a speed somewhere between

potent portal
#

Please don't say it's corsair memory

cyan ravine
#

LOL

cyan ravine
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Wait for it

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Sorry inside joke

pearl gulch
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Manufacturer G.Skill
Max Bandwidth DDR4-2133 (1066 MHz)
Part Number F4-4400C17-16GVK

cyan ravine
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Go on

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Oh wow ok

potent portal
#

OH yeah that's a hard kit to run

cyan ravine
#

No that's failing for a different reason

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Yeah

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Set that to 3200

pearl gulch
#

i have it set to 3200 now, after last night's troubleshooting

cyan ravine
#

Yes good idea

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Now I'd implore this anyway

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TM5

pearl gulch
#

but the mobo says it supports up to 4800 i think

cyan ravine
#

Just to be sure

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
#

lol

cyan ravine
#

They do no actual tests

pearl gulch
#

fml

potent portal
cyan ravine
#

Try running this

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See if you have issues

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Close everything else down while it runs

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It'll take about 90 minutes per 32gb

pearl gulch
#

so 90 minutes for me

cyan ravine
#

Roughly yeah

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I forget if that's per cycle or total test

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It's one or the other

pearl gulch
#

ill run it before I go to bed, but you guys giving me a lot of info to retain lol

cyan ravine
#

Either way, you can head off and do something else while it runs

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Ye

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All good

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We normally suggest overnight

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If it has ANY errors

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Or crashes and reboots

pearl gulch
#

well, when I work, I'm at my PC anyways, so I can run it pretty much anytime

cyan ravine
#

It's got a ram issue

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Alr

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But yeah overnight is easiest

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You really want the pc not doing anything mid test

pearl gulch
#

that's fine.

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will do after I'm done picking this SSD, even if the reasoning for picking it was flawed to begin with

cyan ravine
#

I would aim for a heatsink or two tbh

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The 980 pro really needs one

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And another gen 4 in general... wouldn't hurt

pearl gulch
#

the klevv c910 4 TB w/heatsink is nearly 300 bucks, that sound like a good deal?>

cyan ravine
#

Not really no

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Cos 2tb is 90

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Lol

pearl gulch
#

gotta pay for that markup in size

cyan ravine
#

2tb + 3rd party heatsink will be like $105

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Lol

plucky timber
#

my 4TB was like $240

cyan ravine
#

$240 isn't too bad

plucky timber
#

It was before the prices went back up

cyan ravine
#

XS70 hovers around that

plucky timber
#

GM7000

mossy venture
#

4tb mp44q

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$220 or so

plucky timber
#

I cooked it tho

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moral of the story don't put a gen 4 ssd in a laptop

mossy venture
plucky timber
#

controller got cooked

mossy venture
plucky timber
#

or it just died for some reason

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I'm leaning towards the ssd literally being cooked

pearl gulch
#

whoa whoa whoa

cyan ravine
#

$208-ish

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Not bad

plucky timber
#

I'm not just saying that as a gen z slang I'm saying it literally got cooked

mossy venture
#

crystaldiskinfo?

pearl gulch
#

ur name makes me feel like i shouldn't trust you.

cyan ravine
#

LMAO

cyan ravine
potent portal
pearl gulch
#

lol

cyan ravine
#

Man's in the newegg server talking to the worst plane company

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That's a double whammy

plucky timber
#

747 was made before the merger

pearl gulch
#

doesn't change that i might get disappeared for saying you messed up

potent portal
plucky timber
#

doesn't help that the current management is running the company into the ground

pearl gulch
#

sorry for derailing the conversation, but every time you talk, I think it.

cyan ravine
#

Kyr about to be Kyr'd for whistleblowing

plucky timber
#

I blame the MD guys

pearl gulch
#

I make hardcore characters in games called UnKyrable.

plucky timber
#

I read that as Ukraine

cyan ravine
#

Ukrainable

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Very suspect to becoming ukraine

pearl gulch
#

ok so... if i want a third party heat sink for this c910. any examples of what to get and... i probably don't need it for this current PC that is limited to gen 3, right? Just will need it for the next computer I put it in?

plucky timber
#

yes

cyan ravine
plucky timber
#

pretty sure it won't get toasty if it's capped to gen 3 speeds

cyan ravine
#

Uh

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Sabrent

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Uh

plucky timber
#

thermalright is even in the ssd heatsink space now?

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wtf?

potent portal
cyan ravine
#

I'm tryna remember the stupid thermal paste brand

plucky timber
#

WTF IS THIS

#

based?

pearl gulch
#

an ai generated heat sink

cyan ravine
potent portal
plucky timber
#

I want a thermalright build now

cyan ravine
plucky timber
#

just have chonker heatsinks everywhere

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
#

i thought heat sinks for ssd's were really tiny

plucky timber
#

cryorig?

cyan ravine
#

No

plucky timber
pearl gulch
plucky timber
#

but for gen4/5 you'd want bigger heatsinks

cyan ravine
#

GELID

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IT'S GELID

potent portal
#

That link 😭

cyan ravine
#

They make ssd heatsinks

potent portal
#

Good sink though

plucky timber
cyan ravine
#

Nice

plucky timber
#

shortened

cyan ravine
plucky timber
#

let that sink in

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
#

thanks, I fixed mine too

cyan ravine
#

Gigabyte makes sinks

plucky timber
#

does it explode

cyan ravine
#

You wish

plucky timber
#

I gotta stop the gigabyte slander

pearl gulch
#

whoa whoa, you shouldn't be asking about exploding products.

cyan ravine
#

They used to sell full copper ones dude

plucky timber
#

they're actually making some pretty solid motherboards

pearl gulch
#

put ur bolts in ur doors first.

cyan ravine
#

Those are amazing

plucky timber
#

it's funny how when the Boeing-MD merger happened

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Boeing got none of the benefits but inherited all the shenanigans

cyan ravine
#

One product I miss having, was my old gigabyte copper sink

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That thing was stunningly good

plucky timber
#

the 737 Max is a successor to the DC-10

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change my mind

pearl gulch
#

do ssd heat sinks work by just connecting them to the SSD or is it an assembly process like with a cpu

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i.e. do i need to put stuff inbetween

plucky timber
#

they usually come with pads

potent portal
#

You open it, peel the thermal pad protector, and set the drive in it. Then close it and install normally.

pearl gulch
#

sweeeet

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because my history with applying thermal paste is monstrously bad.

plucky timber
#

I just do a dot in the middle

cyan ravine
#

Easy

plucky timber
#

that's what she said

potent portal
pearl gulch
#

is that a what not to do gif?

cyan ravine
#

I just put stupid amounts on these days

plucky timber
#

nah it improves the heat spreading

potent portal
plucky timber
#

now that the heat gets spread through the motherbaord too

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it'll dissapate faster

pearl gulch
#

if you want ur heat to go through the mobo too, don't you just... buy a cheap psu?

plucky timber
#

no that's an IED

pearl gulch
#

I had a reverse boeing pre-built computer once. they welded the heat sink to the case.

plucky timber
#

eh

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on paper it's a decent idea

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it depends on the execution tho

pearl gulch
#

it was covering 3 of the ram bays.

plucky timber
#

bad execution

pearl gulch
#

so i found out when I went to 'upgrade'

cyan ravine
#

Lol

plucky timber
#

was it a prebuilt or something

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wait

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I'm blind

#

💀

#

need more coffee

pearl gulch
plucky timber
#

eh

cyan ravine
#

No cos it's $193 elsewhere

plucky timber
#

plus you're getting a worse heatsink

cyan ravine
#

^click

cyan ravine
#

Want heatsink

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Oh lmao

#

The article says heatsink, pretty sure that's just the sticker

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💀

potent portal
#

thicker sticker

pearl gulch
#

holy what... it's nearly 550 bucks for gen 5

plucky timber
#

gen 5 is a scam

potent portal
#

Yeah don't even bother with those

cyan ravine
#

Oh it's a removable aluminium one neat

BSTDD2412300M0V88F2.jpg
#

@mossy venture

plucky timber
#

by the time you can actually utilise that speeds

cyan ravine
#

Will remember this

plucky timber
#

you'll have gen 5 ssd a quarter of the price

pearl gulch
#

lol

cyan ravine
#

It's gen 5 basically cos OOO BIG SHINY NUMBER

plucky timber
#

what about one picture of your mother

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
#

all good, i was just looking

potent portal
#

You know what else is a bigger number on those drives? The temp sensor reading

plucky timber
#

AMD FX ssd

cyan ravine
#

Welp ima jet, good luck with the pc

potent portal
#

Jet... hehehe

pearl gulch
#

cya thanks

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lol

potent portal
#

The only reason not to get it would be if your motherboard already has a heatsink for the M.2 built in

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Which is something to think about when you upgrade

pearl gulch
#

interesting. didn't think mobos would have that, noice

pearl gulch
#

intel CPU's have been on a downward trend for a while, right? seems like everyone has switched to AMD for every recommendation

potent portal
#

Yeah basically

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The 12th gen was great, 13th gen was good, 14th gen was just 13th gen +200MHz, and 200 series is worse than 12th gen (for gaming)

pearl gulch
#

@potent portal I was asking around earlier about changing to matx or the smaller form factor and how much performance loss I'd get and they said it was negligible. would you agree?

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they sent me some recommendation lists and I was trying to compare it to what you sent me yesterday.
but some things you mentioned weren't accounted for

potent portal
#

The only difference between the sizes of motherboards is just that, the size. Larger boards can fit more things like additional M.2 slots.

pearl gulch
#

well, mostly just the 64 GB ddr5 thing

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aight. I'm pretty sure I'm downsizing so my PC is easier to pick up and work on when I need to (I struggle to pick mine up usually, thanks to an injury).

crimson zinc
#

Can’t remember if they’re micro or mini atx

pearl gulch
#

im trying to find a case I like right now but wishing i could see them better than these tiny 4 pic slots

pearl gulch
#

the pictures on this build im focused on are the case itself and the layout of the hardware.https://pcpartpicker.com/b/8Nz7YJ
what's up with the tape and the ssd that's sticking to tape that looks like the back of the mobo? anyone able to make some sense of that? I don't imagine tape and the heat of your PC work well together.

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cyan ravine
#

Kapton tape

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He's using it for 1 of two reasons

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Some thermal conductivity, and/or emi shielding (for less signal interference)

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Either way neither are strictly necessary

pearl gulch
#

im pretty sure ill need to put a heat sink on my ssd, so unless that ssd is like a paper weight on the back of the mobo, i think that layout might kill that case as an option for me, but i think i need to check mobos as well

stoic island
#

Most of the time the primary m.2 slot is going to be in the front not the back

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And they have a heatsink on the m.2 on the front

cyan ravine
#

Yes that is always a secondary m.2 slot

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Not something you need to worry about

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Most have 1 or 2 on the front

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Rarely 3-5

pearl gulch
#

interesting. i might have at least a 2nd m.2 eventually

cyan ravine
#

Only select few itx have 1 on the back

cyan ravine
#

No need to worry about the back

pearl gulch
#

being called lad is funny

stoic island
#

Also, unless you're going for pcie 5.0, you don't really need a heatsink most of the time

cyan ravine
#

Or really just newer ssds

#

That old 980 pro would appreciate one

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Definitely

pearl gulch
#

interesting. years ago i was advised not to get one on my 980 lol

#

but it came with a bad sector or something, so I plan to RMA it as soon as I have a new OS loaded on the other SSD

#

can i get an eli5 on this?

image.png
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wait, the OC part didn't register as I read it.

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but the DPC part not so much

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and blazing m.2 vs hyper m.2 doesn't seem to be very well explained in a quick google search (might be my google fu being bad)... do i need to care about which one I get?

potent portal
#

1 single rank(chips on one side of the stick) DIMM per channel can run up to 7200 or higher, or default to 4800

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1 dual rank dimm per channel can run 6000+

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2 single rank dimms per channel can run at 5600+

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And 2 dual rank dimms per channel will run at 4800+

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The plus depends on how lucky you are, and there are 2 channels on a consumer motherboard.

#

Blazing M.2 just means it's PCIe 5.0 spec compliant, while Hyper M.2 is PCIe 4.0

#

For DDR5, 16GB and 24GB sticks are single rank. 32GB and higher are dual rank.

#

8GB sticks are more like half a rank and should be avoided

pearl gulch
#

yea, I'm trying to not forget that as I put this together

cyan ravine
#

So if you wanna use 4 sticks of 16gb, expect 4400 and be hopeful for anything better

pearl gulch
#

kind of sad that the mobos that look good for what I want are always missing 1 thing I want, but it seems to always be 1 different thing depending on the mobo

potent portal
#

It can be very tricky finding that one perfect board, especially if you have a lot of wants

pearl gulch
#

but what about 4 sticks of 24 gb? I thought someone said something about using 4 sticks not working in DDR5

cyan ravine
potent portal
#

That would fall under 2dpc 1R

#

It's MUCH better to run that as 2x 48GB

cyan ravine
#

Yeah on ddr5 is always miles better on 2 sticks

potent portal
#

Then it's 1dpc 2R

pearl gulch
#

but didn't you say not to run more than 48 gb

potent portal
#

I said that's the most you can do without compromising speed

pearl gulch
#

hold on let me back up a sec

#

compromising which part of speed... the speed of a single dimm or... total speed?

potent portal
#

The clock speed at which the stick operates, which affects all parts of the memory

pearl gulch
#

man, memory is convoluted af

potent portal
#

The chart above is a perfect example of what I was talking about. With 24GB sticks, they're single rank and you can run 2 of them at 7200. But if you go to 32GB sticks, that's dual rank and your speed is limited to about 6000.

pearl gulch
#

just as a quick factor for myself... I don't bother with OC

potent portal
#

XMP counts as overclocking for these purposes

pearl gulch
#

oh

#

then i guess i will be from now on?

#

but i won't understand it... ill just let it do its thing

cyan ravine
#

The memory controller works a lot harder

#

Then speed expectations need to be lower

potent portal
#

The harder the memory controller has to work, the slower the work is done

pearl gulch
#

feels like soon I'll need 64 gb though, which is the only reason I'm trying to understand instead of just taking 48 gb

cyan ravine
#

2x32 isn't grossly slower

potent portal
#

What makes you think you'll need 64GB

pearl gulch
#

i regularly am at 95% ish ram usage on my current pc at 32 gb and I have to shut things down when gaming

cyan ravine
#

48GB should be fine

#

Though

#

That said

#

64gb is cheaper per gb than 48gb

potent portal
#

But it is also slower

#

With 48GB you can theoretically run above 12,000 speed

#

Lots of people have done it

pearl gulch
#

48 it is lol

#

ill just run those VM's on another pc

potent portal
#

What you could do, since you have some room in your budget anyway, is get 2 sets of memory. One for speed and one for capacity. Then just switch between them as needed.

cyan ravine
#

Or just, 64gb

#

But cheap end

pearl gulch
#

ill probably use the 2nd pc option if it comes to it.

cyan ravine
#

You can use the extra on a better cpu or gpu

pearl gulch
#

technically, I got an esxi server that I haven't booted up in 3 years, but it was pristine back then

potent portal
#

Honestly yeah 64GB isn't so slow that it'll be that noticeable, especially if you tune a few timings.

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6000-6400 depending on luck

pearl gulch
#

i kind of want to try the 48 after your explanations

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so you sold me on it. if i need more in the future, it'll be just the cost of me figuring things out

cyan ravine
#

Alr

potent portal
#

Memory holds value really well too since there's no moving parts to wear out, in case you needed to sell it later

potent portal
cyan ravine
#

God over z5's too

#

The heat trappers

#

💀

potent portal
#

Granted this was with an engineering sample CPU

pearl gulch
#

damn

potent portal
#

But yeah totally doable with the right know-how

pearl gulch
#

well, considering I just gamed for like 4 years without taking the time to notice i was running on ddr4's default

potent portal
#

If you wanted to cringe even more

cyan ravine
#

Idk how good those are for cooling

#

I just know z5's are as bad as their predecessors

pearl gulch
#

Note: Some AMD B650 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update to fully utilize 24 GB RAM modules.

cyan ravine
#

Yes

potent portal
#

As bare as possible but also plastic on top to trap heat

#

This is painful to look at but they got a really good score so...

3247070.jpg
pearl gulch
#

when you get that warning that specs don't know jack about clearance between memory and coolers... and you be like, oh no, maybe I should ... get a... smaller cooler?

pearl gulch
#

like a re-imagining of mona lisa?

potent portal
#

You can move the fan if it's interfering with the RAM and that solves the problem 95% of the time

pearl gulch
#

like, move the fan off of the heat sink?

potent portal
#

The other 5% is usually when you're using 4 sticks of RAM

potent portal
pearl gulch
#

hope that holds true even on micro atx

potent portal
#

The motherboard shouldn't have any effect on that

#

Due to electrical principles the memory slots are more or less in a standardized location

pearl gulch
#

copy that boss

cyan ravine
#

The adata lancer sticks had pads early on, those sticks have thick af sinks either side

#

The early chips had excellent cooling

#

Who knows tbh

#

The Z5's main issue is double sided tape instead of thermal pads honestly

#

Could argue many ram sticks would be way better if they just bothered for 2 minutes to use thermal pads

#

Doms really aren't that special otherwise

#

Nor copper replacements

potent portal
#

Yep thermal pad

cyan ravine
#

Pad over the pmic is better than z5s

#

☠️

potent portal
#

Easy to disassemble too

cyan ravine
#

Yeah if they just use screws waddya know

#

You can make actually functional ram

potent portal
#

ikr what a concept

cyan ravine
#

New revolution in motion

potent portal
#

There's some games like Baldur's Gate 3 that like fast memory slightly more, but it's not very significant

cyan ravine
#

Yeah

nova coyote
#

Hey, So I've got a Ryzen 5 5600x CPU and a gigabyte 3070 GPU, I'm looking to upgrade pretty soon but don't know which I should go for achieving greater performance, I'm currently with a B550 Aorus Master, and a 750 Watt Super Flower PSU with 32 GB RAM. Built this PC in 2020 around this time of year. Could use some suggestions and comparisons as I'm not too knowledgeable about parts.

pearl gulch
#

for a sec i thought i saw 17 fps instead of 75 lol

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
#

sounds a bit familiar

cyan ravine
#

Though if you want 1440p gameplay also tack on maybe a 4070 super

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Or 7800XT

#

750W superflower sounds like leadex III but need the actual name

#

If it's leadex iii you're good

nova coyote
#

yeah it is leadex iii

cyan ravine
#

Yeah you could slap a 5700X3D in

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Maybe an id cooling a620 se

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Then 4070 super for $600 or less

#

7900xt

nova coyote
#

and the psu supports the 4070Sup as well?

cyan ravine
#

7800xt

#

Yeah

#

I gotta go cos phone nearly dead but yeah, you can fit most of all gpus on a 750 up to some XTX/all 4090/5090

#

With a 5700x3d

#

But I would only consider if going 1440p, if 1080p, just 5700x3d

#

Ok gotta go sorry

nova coyote
#

gotcha i'll take this info in consideration thank you

pearl gulch
#

im almost done with my first full build after all the suggestions and help 😄

potent portal
nova coyote
potent portal
#

yes

nova coyote
#

gotcha

#

Oh I see

pearl gulch
#

what are the top of the line (or really, the 2nd closest to that) GPU's right now?

nova coyote
#

instead of this mess i'll be just 1 huge thing?

#

like all of this plug into it and then that plugs into the card

potent portal
#

Yep

pearl gulch
#

silly question i guess, there's benchmarks for that...

#

is userbenchmark.com reliable enough to the community or is there a more common one for me to peruse?

potent portal
#

?ubm

jolly riverBOT
#

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

pearl gulch
#

whoa

potent portal
#

We get that question a lot if you couldn't guess

pearl gulch
#

"but has spiraled into delusion."

#

that got a lol out of me

potent portal
#

There's not really any other way to describe it

#

Everyone knows the 9800X3D is the best gaming processor, and the new Intel CPUs are terrible for that. So what does that site do? It recommends people avoid the 9800X3D and get a 13600K instead. WTH?

pearl gulch
#

everyone being people who pay attention. those of us who only look once every few years when we need to build our computers... not so much knowledge in that 😛

#

i would easily become one of the people who fall victim to that

#

except you guys have been super helpful

#

ouch, the 4090 is like 55% of my budget on the not conservative end...

potent portal
pearl gulch
#

looks like the 4070 is the cheapest higher end option so far

#

oh and these labels at the end. Ti, or SUPER, etc...

potent portal
#

Long story on those labels

pearl gulch
#

lol, should be another bot command

potent portal
#

Short version is, from least to most performance, they go:
4070 -> 4070 super -> 4070 ti -> 4070 ti super

pearl gulch
#

ok that helps a lot

#

i thought prices for gpu's was somewhat leveled off... seems pretty all over the place to me right now

potent portal
#

Oh no it's all in chaos right now

#

The Nvidia 50 series just launched and the 40 series was discontinued months ago

#

And there's very little stock available of the 50 series unless you want to pay 3-5x the MSRP to a scalper

pearl gulch
#

so what's good and readily available to consumers? lol the 30 series?

potent portal
#

AMD cards are less affected by the price craze

#

And they're about to launch their new gen next month too

pearl gulch
#

oh right. if im patient... get an AMD card in a month...

potent portal
#

It's also worth adding that GPU prices in general are higher now in response to the tariffs implemented by the current government. Roughly 25% higher than normal at this time.

pearl gulch
#

guess I'm sitting on this list for now.

potent portal
#

If you're just gaming the 7950X is a terrible choice

#

The 7800X3D beats it by 20-25%

#

And the newer 9800X3D is another 10-15% on top of that (prices are wack right now though)

pearl gulch
#

oh

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Warning: The ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard supports the AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 4.7 GHz 8-Core Processor with BIOS version 3.01. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, updating the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.

so from this, I should download the firmware onto a usb before getting started, right?

potent portal
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Correct

pearl gulch
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hmm, I need a good way to setup my backup cpu as the 7800x3d... just in case

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no way I'll remember this, I know you said it yesterday too

potent portal
pearl gulch
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guess that works

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thanks... i think its time for my memory test and sleep

potent portal
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I changed the cooler to white too, figured it would look better

pearl gulch
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oh yea, I usually do that when purchasing, but good call

manic cloak
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Is the PSU already owned?

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Or do I see a 130$ 650w psu

pearl gulch
# manic cloak Is the PSU already owned?

you could say I was being lazy and picked the best thing for a placeholder I could find quickly, because I heard some horror stories about psu's here and didn't want to give it much thought until I was ready to purchase

manic cloak
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Makes sense, PSUs nowadays are safe, just very very older ones and obviously cheap cheap ones aren’t your best friend

pearl gulch
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from the stuff I heard earlier, that's mostly true unless you bring one to near capacity.

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then it's up to the mfr or model or something and I don't know enough other than to repeat some warning i heard 😛

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im going down for a memory test and sleep. cyall tomorrow and thanks for the heklp

potent portal
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Super Flower doesn't make anything less than B tier

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And their only C tier unit is a weird one they don't make any more

cyan ravine
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One of those rare examples where modelbrand doesn't apply

pearl gulch
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always be spooked. that mem test took 5 minutes or something, not 90 like I was told lol

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i was laying down and heard it complete...

potent portal
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You didn't load the profile then

pearl gulch
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2/ Run TM5.exe. All files are now English thanks to @Hequaqua for his idea and Extreme1@anta777.cfg is the default
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i ran the simple instructions 😛

potent portal
pearl gulch
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so which profile am I supposed to load for this memory test, because it seems like the highest one is set to default according to the forum post or whatever it was I read

potent portal
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What test is the window showing it's loading

cyan ravine
potent portal
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The extreme anta profile is usually a good one, pcbdestroyer is another you can run

pearl gulch
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ah, looks like when it's running, it doesn't load the profile like the forum says it does.

cyan ravine
pearl gulch
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ok i try this again, shutting everything else down

cyan ravine
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Note this:

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pearl gulch
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i don't even know what that means