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[plucky timber]

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Of the boards around the same price

[calm dove]

nothing

if i want a b550 its130-140$

or b650 its 200$ minimum

[plucky timber]

I'm talking about the am5 list

[calm dove]

1 min

Gigabyte B650M DS3H 190$

ASUS PRIME B650-PLUS 230$

Gigabyte B650 EAGLE AX 210$

MSI PRO B650-S WIFI 200$

thats it

you see thats the cheapest b650

[plucky timber]

That's converted to USD?

[calm dove]

yes sir

[plucky timber]

Jesus christ

Well in this case

The $300 markup is well

Abysmal value in the US market

But considering how marked up everything is

It's not too bad in your market

This is a 6900XT build price tag but ya know

Market shennaigans

I'd go AM5 for upgradability

AM4 is a dead end platform

[calm dove]

i know i know

[plucky timber]

Especially because of your market

Rebuilding is going to be costly if he does want to upgrade in the future

If you're already getting marked up anyways

Might as well go full am5

If budget's not too much of an issue

[calm dove]

good theory

but doesnt work good here

just buy what you can afford

[plucky timber]

Well the thing is

[calm dove]

sell it after 5 years maybe

[plucky timber]

It's going to be cheaper long term

[calm dove]

then build another budgetone

[plucky timber]

AM4 will have worse resale value

Upgrading or reselling AM5 is still a better option

[calm dove]

do you wanna know how much cost a 9600x right now ?

350$

ez

[plucky timber]

Eh

9600x isn't worth over a 7600x

[calm dove]

i know

but lets say you want to upgrade in the future

not cheap

[plucky timber]

Still good resale value

[calm dove]

yeeahh

[plucky timber]

If he's upgrading in say

A decade

By upgrade I mean selling and rebuilding

AM5 will retain a lot more value than AM4 in 10 years

[wheat zealot]

Is AMD’s next socket still 2027?

[plucky timber]

Is that a confirmed date?

Or just rumors

[calm dove]

bro a decade this pc will be worth 200$ max hhh

[plucky timber]

AM4 will be worth less

[calm dove]

• u cant put future budget x3d cpu in this board

[plucky timber]

A more realistic upgrade window of 5 years

[plucky timber]

You can't in the AM4 build either

[plucky timber]

You'd still be seeing better resale value with AM5

[calm dove]

so its dead hhhh

[plucky timber]

?

[calm dove]

ok last question

[plucky timber]

Oh crap

Check the ram

Is there any other DDR5 CL30 6000MHz?

[calm dove]

rtx 4060 ti 8gb 470$/rtx 4060 ti 580$ /7700 xt 520$/7800xt 650$ for the am5 build

[plucky timber]

7700xt/7800xt

Either option is good

[calm dove]

choose one

[plucky timber]

Not sure if it's this kit but some launch TridentZ kits are unstable

[plucky timber]

They're both equal in price/performance

[calm dove]

Corsair Vengeance DDR5 32Go (2 x 16Go) 5600 MHz CL36

for the same price

[plucky timber]

That is even worse

[calm dove]

only this 2 options

[plucky timber]

At least with the TridentZ you can bump up the voltage a bit to fix it

Vengeance is just crap

There is the chance that this is a decent kit

And not a launch kit

[calm dove]

built 2 pcs with this ram

no problems

but okey i will choose g skill

[plucky timber]

Don't buy vengeance

They have a high DOA rate

They are quite literally worse than the cheapest kit

[calm dove]

okey

thanks a lot 👍

[calm dove]

my idea is just build a pc under 1k$ play with it until it doesnt work or doesnt run games 1080p 60 ultra low

then build another one again

because used pc parts here is not big and expensive

[plucky timber]

I see

Makes sense considering the market

Sounds like Albania or something

Depends on the games

[calm dove]

last time i built in 2015 a 4790k/980/16 ram/1to ssd cost me 1800-2200$

look now worth nothing

hhhhhhhhhhhh

[calm dove]

nope africa

[plucky timber]

Where in Africa?

[calm dove]

north

[plucky timber]

Eh

Could be worse

Could be Central Africa

[calm dove]

yeah

[plucky timber]

Bros still using Pentium 4s

[calm dove]

lol

[plucky timber]

I'd still go with AM5 tbh

In the remote chance that you build a new pc

You may be able to reuse that ram kit

If DDR6 doesn't become a thing

Still better long term value

If you sell and upgrade at the right time it'd sell for a couple hundred

[calm dove]

yes agree

[plucky timber]

Better long term value than AM4

Considering how your used market is pretty bad

You could take advantage of that by selling the AM5 build when it has pretty decent resale value

[calm dove]

used like new (2015)

[plucky timber]

Say AM6 comes out

With how bad your used market is you could probably still sell the AM5 build for a decent price

AM4's resale value wouldn't scale as well in this scenario

[calm dove]

7700xt is close to 4060 ti in this game

weird

[plucky timber]

https://youtu.be/PpxMKtbI8G8

This shows a bigger gap between the 4060ti 8gb vs the 7700xt

[random rapids]

when i try to play games my gpu gets used for 100% and my cpu almost tot none how do i fix this anyone know?

[wheat zealot]

what are your specs?

[random rapids]

Ryzen 7 7800x3d
Rtx 3070
32gb ram
X670 elite
And 2 m.2 ssd

Like I made it my self and don’t know if it’s the ddr5 parts or software problem I recently upgraded

only the motherboard and cpu I hope it’s software

[wheat zealot]

Seems like a bottleneck

What resolution do you play on?

[random rapids]

3440 x 1440

[wheat zealot]

It’s not necessarily a bad thing that it’s at 100% usage. Are you experiencing low fps? or anything when you play your games?

[jagged ember]

Play at a lower resolution if there's not enough fps

Thar widescreen is half of 4k

That, or lower game settings

[gentle pollen]

Bottleneck, means your GPU can't keep up with the CPU. I run a very similar rig (look at my username).

Only thing you can do is optimize your game settings or as Vibes pointed out lower your resolution.

3rd option is try over clocking your 3070 and ram to squeeze some more frames out. If your lucky and done right you can net somewhere between 5-10%.

[marble delta]

https://a.co/d/dwfVjTB

Does this have a good airflow as the other one I show before?

https://a.co/d/heauir0

[swift comet]

Good morning Everyone. I'm finally building my new PC tomorrow and just want to ask for advice on how to check my hardware if they are functioning as stated. Like should I play games and have Riva Tuner on to display performance or can I just run a small all in 1 stress test?

[marble delta]

I wish can help but it’s been a while. But I used to run certain games that have a stress test option with a score just to see if I can run it or not.

[weary galleon]

If you're doing a new build it will likely 1) work as expected or 2) not work at all
But you could run cinebench for CPU and 3Dmark for gpu if you wanted to

[swift comet]

How long should run them for?

[marble delta]

Does anyone know if the 2 cases have the same exact airflow?

[vocal hare]

Ell the flux came in

But

[weary galleon]

Bro is a master of posting images trying to point out something no one else can notice

[vocal hare]

Big mfing bulge out of the box

[plucky timber]

What bulge

[vocal hare]

Like half of the panel is bulging

[potent portal]

Isn't that intentional as a design choice

[vocal hare]

Is it?

Cases have bulges on purpose?

[potent portal]

It looks too even for it to not be

[vocal hare]

Well unlike the lian li there is no middle part that’s magnetic as well

And when removed from the case it flexes rather easily

@potent portal like idk if that’s normal

Plus the tenders online don’t seem to show a bulge

Renders *

[potent portal]

If it bothers you then reach out to the manufacturer. It shouldn't affect performance unless it's bulging inward enough to rub on a fan.

[vocal hare]

It bothers me because I paid $120 for it

[wheat zealot]

what case is it?

[vocal hare]

Antecedent flux

Antec*

[mossy venture]

Afaik that's just what metal side panels do, my p360a does the same thing

[little osprey]

It looks ramped so it seems intentional

[vocal hare]

I’m just confused because if it was intentional fine

[mossy venture]

Contact customer support imo

Though knowing customer support lines they won't know either

[vocal hare]

Yeah idk if antecedent is gonna get back to me fast

Antec*

I just wanna be done with my bloody build

[little osprey]

If it was intentional, it was a dumb design imo

Because now as a business owner you'll have customers thinking it's broken

[vocal hare]

Considering other pictures

I don’t think it’s intentional

[cyan ravine]

Almost every single case I've bought has a bulging back panel

Because funny that it feels like only a handful of brands actually provide adequate space for cables

[vocal hare]

I guess I find it weird because it’s the opposite for me

[cyan ravine]

You can flatten it pretty easily

[vocal hare]

Wdym

[cyan ravine]

Find some heavy book and rest it on top for like a day

But even then

The cables at the back will likely bulge it again

[vocal hare]

It’s deep

[cyan ravine]

Wym

[vocal hare]

Like it’s a thick case

I don’t think cables will be an issue

[cyan ravine]

It has more than 5mm cable space?

That'd be a record if true

Well if you think you can make it work then just bend the panel into shape

Relatively easy to do even with two hands

[vocal hare]

It just flexes to one side

[cyan ravine]

It can be done

Just don't be too aggressive or you'll make it a worse bend the other way lmao

[vocal hare]

No it just like freely bends picking it up without pressure

[cyan ravine]

Then it should be really easy to bend

[vocal hare]

I lay it down and it looks flat but then I pick it up and it’s bent

[cyan ravine]

If it's that flimsy books will very likely flatten it if heavy enough

2 or 3 encyclopaedias

Good to go lol

[vocal hare]

Man I just wanna buy something and have it just be fine

[cyan ravine]

A case with a feature set like that at that price and no drawbacks would be sold out everywhere lad

There's going to always be a compromise

Unless you spend like $300 there will always be an issue

[vocal hare]

Why can’t I just buy something use it as intended without having to mess with it

[cyan ravine]

Even for the higher end ones

Just bend the panel lad, it's really not that much stress

[vocal hare]

So what I keep it on its back side?

[cyan ravine]

Ye lay have stuff on it for like a day

Or pinch it both sides perpendicular to the bend and push it gently into shape

You'd have said this about the Dan A3, it has this issue bad

The fix is strength lol

[vocal hare]

….

Welp

Like man I was this close to starting the return and ordering a frame

[cyan ravine]

If you wanted this same case without any flex issues they'd have had to price it way higher due to steel thickness

[cyan ravine]

My corsair cases have this issue too dude

Lol

Especially the newer ones

You want a flawless case spend $300

[vocal hare]

sigh

[cyan ravine]

I'm absolutely serious

[vocal hare]

My nr600 doesn’t have this

[potent portal]

Get a case with glass panels on all sides, you'll still probably have flex issues on the frame

[cyan ravine]

Yeah but that is an old af cm right

[vocal hare]

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

Older cases were made when steel was cheap

[vocal hare]

It was 2020 man

[cyan ravine]

They have to use less material now for the same result

Yeah 2020 is pre covid

It's completely valid

[vocal hare]

End of 2020

[wheat zealot]

Looks like it’s part of the design

[cyan ravine]

Made in 2020 is still during old spec

[potent portal]

Which means it's a design from late 2019 at the earliest

[cyan ravine]

We had sharp cost rises 2021 onwards

[vocal hare]

Where did you find that

So what lay it like this and put some old text books in the center?

[cyan ravine]

All around it yeah

As many as you can fit

Stack them up

[vocal hare]

Welp let’s see

Because I like this case I just don’t want issues

[cyan ravine]

Leave it a day or so it should be better, no guarantee

Material have two tolerances

[wheat zealot]

I just looked up the case and it looks like yours. Unless I’m just missing something.

[cyan ravine]

Known as elastic and plastic deformation

If you exceed elastic deformation into plastic, you can change the shape of it permanently

In this case thin steel is very malleable

So it's the same as bending per se

It's quite easy to bend, so enough pressure against it should help shape it

[vocal hare]

Ugh no I have greasy fingers everywhere

Now*

[cyan ravine]

In heavy industry they use roller machines for this

[cyan ravine]

Just wipe it down later no biggie

Wet paper towel

[vocal hare]

Like just an alcohol wipe

[cyan ravine]

Anything wet tbh that isn't acetone

Acetone would strip the powder paint

[vocal hare]

Strips paint

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[vocal hare]

Yeah I figured

[cyan ravine]

Wet paper towel is fine

[vocal hare]

I mean it’s used to remove naip polish

[cyan ravine]

In the meantime build the rest of the pc lad

Make the most of the moment

By the time the panel is ready to go on you'll feel chuffed with yourself

[vocal hare]

I mean I got school stuff and the mh beta

Trying to figure out how to force dlss4

[cyan ravine]

You'll be fine

You can use the pc without the panel if needed

If this were me, I'd rather fix this small defect in short time and move on

Returning another case

Waiting 5 more days

When you got school to do lad

And then there's the chance the new one has issues too

To the same degree

A slightly bent panel is an easy fix imo

[vocal hare]

If only the frame 4000d was in stores

It’s just the old ones

[cyan ravine]

I understand you want everything perfect but reality isn't like that unless you spend an actual fortune

[shut rampart]

How do I put on combos that won’t do this

[cyan ravine]

?

[vocal hare]

Yeah I guess

[shut rampart]

Put more on or less

[cyan ravine]

Oh combs

[vocal hare]

Oh combs lol

[cyan ravine]

You need to pull the bottom strands

[vocal hare]

Combos

[cyan ravine]

So they don't overlap the top ones

[cyan ravine]

Pull these icy

Give them less length than the top ones

[shut rampart]

Not working :/

[dusky hearth]

get more slack up in front, comb the cable, then carefully pull it back into the back without disturbing the wires

[cyan ravine]

The top strands need more slack than underneath lad

[shut rampart]

Good enough?

[cyan ravine]

Yea now you're gettin it

[shut rampart]

I need more zip ties 😦

[vocal hare]

damn that thing did not wanna go in

ya'll said some scrape around the mobo screws is ok right?

think i scraped it a bit trying to get it in because the io shield area wouldnt line up

[cyan ravine]

Yes boards are designed for it

[vocal hare]

even if i see a lil copper?

[cyan ravine]

They have anti scrape pads embedded around the screws

Eh

[vocal hare]

like around the area mobo makes contact with standoffs

not my picture but kinda like this but like not so thick

and on the backside

well just on the back side

[cyan ravine]

You really screwed that in tight whoa

It should be fine

If you're worried, a little plumbers tape over the copper and it'll be perfectly fine

That little ring is intended to be scratched

But uh

Try not to screw in as tight next time

[vocal hare]

nonono thats not me

i just found a pic on the internet

its on the backside of the mobo, I was readjusting a lot because the io area didnt wanna line up

[cyan ravine]

If it's directly around the screw hole it should be ok

No traces or smds/pads under the scratch

[vocal hare]

wish i took a pic

but i only have so many hands

[cyan ravine]

As long as it's inside the ring

It's basically designed to do that

[vocal hare]

case is a lil weird

you know how there is the center standoff that is raised?

there were 2 in this case but not quite raised as the center one

if i remember it correctly it looked like this

I'd unscrew it to take a picture but I think that'd make things worse

[cyan ravine]

Need* to stop screwing as hard

And also

[cyan ravine]

You need to stop looking at things so carefully lol

Again, you won't get "perfect" for this price

The standoffs were likely just not fully screwed in

I've seen it tons of times before

[potent portal]

Only the ground plane will be around the screws, so even if the screw did contact the ground plane it would just ground the case, which is what you want anyway.

[vocal hare]

I dont screw hard

[cyan ravine]

Well that's a really unusual scuff

[vocal hare]

it was on the standoff side

[potent portal]

Which is fine

[vocal hare]

I assume there was slight scuff when adjusting

because while the screws lined up the io did not for some reason

[dusky hearth]

it would be a terrible design choice if anything but a ground plane was somewhere that could be scratched up by a screw being torqued down too tight

[potent portal]

Unless you scratched it so deep that you broke through multiple layers of the PCB then it's fine. Assuming that it's near the mounting hole like that.

[cyan ravine]

It's again, designed to be like this

That's still a really big scuff

You don't get that with normal screwing

[vocal hare]

idk if i've ever ran into this even with a more scuffed build

well it wasnt that large

looked more faint like this

[dusky hearth]

as long as you're not scratching around outside of where the screw/mount points is, you're fine lmao

[vocal hare]

now its driving me insane that i dont have a picture of it

[potent portal]

Don't worry about it

Especially since you can't even see it

[vocal hare]

just worried you know, my money and all

guess when i'm building for someone else i dont have the yi[s

[vocal hare]

yeah no it was def around the screw hole

honestly i wonder why it was that one

i feel like it was the other screws that I had more trouble adjustung

[dusky hearth]

whereever there is an obvious point of contact for mounting, no engineer/designer is going to put something fragile over there (unless you're nzxt)

cough h1 cough

[vocal hare]

it was this hole of all holes

[potent portal]

Fractal made the same mistake on the Torrent but caught it early on and did a full recall before it ever became a problem, going so far as to take product off shelves.

[dusky hearth]

(the correct way to respond)

[potent portal]

It's a prime example of even the best companies having problems. It's how they address it that separates them.

[vocal hare]

honestly now im more confused than ever

I undestand why the screw makes that dmg

but the solder like wasnt even flattened

[dusky hearth]

you dont have to continue worrying about it for your case lmao

[potent portal]

Waiting until after there's several fires and videos detailing the exact problem and how to avoid it is the wrong way lol (nzxt)

[potent portal]

It doesn't matter

[dusky hearth]

like felix said, it's probably just a standoff not being perfectly straight

[vocal hare]

I guess

as you can tell I over think waaaaay too much

got i from my mom

honestly its nice this case opens up the top

eps cable will be easier

Ok no I’m not crazy it’s like a second grounding screw

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[vocal hare]

Okay while I was taking it out to replace the stand off my brother took a pic

I'm good

It is for sure just in that area

Ok motherboard and imo line up a heck of a lot easier when there isn’t the wrong stand-off, thanks antec

[severe lava]

any gg

any good full sized case recomendations

[potent portal]

What budget and style would you look for?

[severe lava]

black or wood accent and anywhere under 200

[potent portal]

Something like this then? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Gd26Mp/fractal-design-north-xl-atx-full-tower-case-fd-c-nor1x-02

[severe lava]

hell yea

i found one just like that but it was micro

[vocal hare]

The Dan a3?

All the rave these days in the ssf/minitower community

[potent portal]

They said full size

[vocal hare]

But then they said micro

So idk

The current case I’m building in, the antec flux is quite nice as well

$110 on Newegg

[potent portal]

It read to me as "I found one similar but it was micro so it wasn't a good match"

[vocal hare]

Ah

Well antec flux is still technically mid tower

Flux pro is slightly bigger

But has an increased cost because of its extra goodies

But they can technically fit eatx

[potent portal]

Mid vs full tower is purely marketing terms anyway that have no basis in physical specs

I've seen "mid towers" that are larger than "full towers"

[vocal hare]

And there are mid towers on the verge of mini tower

[dusky hearth]

is there

[potent portal]

There's 23L mid towers https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/qfBv6h,Hc3RsY,FPX2FT/

And then this one calls itself "mini tower" at 55L https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bwgPxr/cooler-master-mastercase-pro-3-microatx-mini-tower-case-mcy-c3p1-kwnn

Same with Corsair 2500X

[topaz rose]

is this better than a 13600kf on ddr4

[steep basalt]

yes for two reasons: 1. AM5 so not a dead end socket and 2. Not Raptor Lake.

[topaz rose]

speed wise

performance

frames per second

[steep basalt]

Well the DDR5 is certainly going to help with that. The single thread benchmark is slightly higher on the 7700x too.

[dusky hearth]

No sense in ddr4 in 2025 unless ultra budget

OH MAH GAHHH

Wait

This isn't general

[topaz rose]

im asking cause me and my friend both use 13600kf on ddr4 lol and hes lookin at upgrades

[dusky hearth]

In that case, if they don't need maximum performance, I wouldn't upgrade still personally

Sure, upgrading to like 9800x3d or whatever would be a decent upgrade, but in terms of what more you can run, not much more? Unless you get a high end GPU as well

Like, I run a 3700x and 6750xt, and I don't feel any pressing need to upgrade still, outside of the mediocre single core performance

Which only matters for me when I'm in VR, which is not the main use I use my PC for anyways

[topaz rose]

he needs something cause his fortnite fps is so bad

he ddrops to like 90

i dont think his rx 6700 is a isue, it doesnt even have high usage

[dusky hearth]

It could be caused by the ddr4 tbh

If they play competitively, maybe they should sell the current rig and make a new rig based on am5

I don't think it's worth swapping the MOBO just for ram?

[mossy venture]

13600k can easily do above 90 fps in fortnite

I speak from experience

Have him turn 3d resolution down

[dusky hearth]

90 minimums I assume

[topaz rose]

on the same maps even i suffer lmfao

[mossy venture]

3d resolution is awful on fortnite

[topaz rose]

ill tell him to lower it

[mossy venture]

It tanks performance especially without an nvidia gpu

Around 45% should be ok

[topaz rose]

where was you before 😭

i needed this

[mossy venture]

He could also try rendering with a diff engine on settings

Dx12 I think?

I dont know game engines that well

[topaz rose]

dx12 for radeon in my testing is smoother

[mossy venture]

I know one of the options limits you to horrible settings and 30 fps

[topaz rose]

better 1% lows but highs cansuffer sometimes

[mossy venture]

Then there's the default which is i think dx11

[dusky hearth]

Dx12 is a graphical API and not a game engine specifically

[mossy venture]

And then I think amd likes dx12 yeah

[dusky hearth]

Does fortnite support Vulkan

[topaz rose]

correct

[mossy venture]

Idts

[topaz rose]

if you play with a amd card is basicly stuck with dx12

[mossy venture]

But its also been a while since I played

[topaz rose]

no

[dusky hearth]

Welp

[topaz rose]

forntie likes nvidia cause u can use perfromance mode

[swift comet]

Let the build commence (Minus the RTX 5090)
https://newegg.io/8d710970

[dusky hearth]

[cyan ravine]

[weary galleon]

...isn't "3d resolution" just their name for the game resolution slider?

[cyan ravine]

I just realised I forgot to change my name

Lmao

[mossy venture]

Yes but the way fortnite renders it is horrible on your gpu

I was getting under 60 fps on a 13600k/3060 ti with it at 80%

Wait do you mean the resolution it's displaying on your monitor?

[weary galleon]

Yeah cause Fortnite UE5 performance suuuucks on some systems

[mossy venture]

Like 1920x1080?

[weary galleon]

Yes

[mossy venture]

Oh no

[dusky hearth]

[mossy venture]

Thats different

3d resolution is how detailed the images look, idk the proper terminology

Maybe it is just increasing the resolution the game is rendering it

Idk

[weary galleon]

From what I remember it's just a resolution slider and then it upscales back up

I think the reason they add the 3d part is because it doesn't apply to 2d hud elements

GENERAL

Added “3D Resolution” slider to Video options on PC and Mac.
This new preference allows you to set the resolution of the 3D world, without affecting the user interface.
The range goes between 640×360 and your selected Display Resolution. Using a lower 3D Resolution may greatly improve frame rate.
When selecting an overall Quality option, an appropriate 3D Resolution will be chosen automatically.

[mossy venture]

Thanks for the info, I can stop lying to fortnite players now

[weary galleon]

UE5 slop

[frigid jackal]

guys is my gpu cooked https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/589689072692494356/1337359629914603562/image.png?ex=67a87a36&is=67a728b6&hm=040626b150d5c667ac680e47da16f76a24e3197feaa964b8460f4b920b5a84f1& 😞

[potent portal]

Normal

[frigid jackal]

goat

🙏

[potent portal]

It's shorter so that it can detect if it's not in all the way

[frigid jackal]

I had uninstalled it a while ago
used i t to test something out
took it out and it looked like thjat and im like hrmm

ohh

[potent portal]

There will be another like that on the reverse side

[swift comet]

Quick Q: I have the Artic MX-6 Thermal paste. Should I replace the Thermal paste that came with the Corsair Titan 360 RX?

[wheat zealot]

I use performance mode

[cyan ravine]

You should get better perf with dx12

Slightly lower average, much better lows

[wheat zealot]

I used to play on dx12 but too much delay

[cyan ravine]

If you find it better on your end then I mean, you're the one using it

But the typical advice is DX12 performs better

That said they say literally anything about nvidia cards

Lmao

[wheat zealot]

Honestly I think it just depends on your drivers. I remember, when I started I was on performance mode but then it became unplayable so I switch to dx12 but then I switched back and it was fine.

[rain carbon]

Curious why vulkan isn't used more?

[wheat zealot]

probably cause dx just has more market dominance & is already been used for a while now.

[cyan ravine]

There's a lot of tests out there that demonstrate dx12 pro being typically the best

But again, if you're doing better on perf mode and you've tested it, well

I mean I'm not gonna deny reality like that without a seriously good reason lmao

[cyan ravine]

Vulkan is like several degrees more difficult to code for

It is also much much better running

But takes a lot more work

You also wouldn't see vulkan on an epic game

💀

[pearl gulch]

I hate trying to figure out my mobo...

[rain carbon]

Vulkan my beloved

[pearl gulch]

when choosing a mobo, is there a good resource to understand these lists in the stats?

[weary galleon]

When implemented correctly dx12 has very similar performance to vulkan iirc

Most games where you see a huge jump when swapping to vulkan is because the other option is dx11 not 12

For example R6 was dx11/vulkan and recently dropped vulkan support for dx12

[stoic island]

For m.2 slots? It's pretty simple, M key is normal nvme SSDs, E key is for m.2 wifi cards, and 2242/2260/2280/22110 are sizes, where 2280, 22x80mm is the most common size

[pearl gulch]

whoa didn't know there were m.2 wifi cards... and didn't realize there were different sizes either... darn. adds a bit of complexity on top of my laziness.

[stoic island]

most of the time all you care about will be 2280 M key

[pearl gulch]

ok thanks

[stoic island]

B+M on older boards will support M key and B key, B key for old sata m.2 ssds

[dusky hearth]

Except for the edge cases where sata m.2 isn't supported

(falcie had one of those boards)

[stoic island]

Specifics for the support will be on the mobo page, you won't be able to tell by just the specs for that

[pearl gulch]

this might explain why i had trouble in my last computer build... I didn't really know and had weird issues with my nvme

[dusky hearth]

^ always check
Though at the same time nvme is cheap enough now

[stoic island]

b+m sata ssds will fit in m.2 key m slots but won't always be supported

[potent portal]

It's most AM5 tbh

[dusky hearth]

Am5 wasn't out at that time though iirc wasn't it

Been a while so I forget the specifics

[potent portal]

No it's my AM5 board that doesn't support sata m.2

My AM4 board did

[dusky hearth]

Ahh

[potent portal]

They're putting less sata ports on things in general too. We're down to 4 without tapping chipset lanes.

[dusky hearth]

TBF I don't actually care about that

I don't think you should use your PC as the main storage

[pearl gulch]

I tried to move away from using my PC as main storage... didn't work as great as I hoped. 12 TB of NAS storage later and I still struggle to keep the programs on my computer that I want, while being able to access media at the speeds you get if stored directly

[potent portal]

Now that faster networking is standard you can pop a USB into your router to use as network storage too

[pearl gulch]

so my newest build will be all direct to my PC

[dusky hearth]

Depends on what you're using it for

The ideal solution probably would have been tiered storage

For your use case

[pearl gulch]

downloads, video media, steam games I don't need to load fast.

[dusky hearth]

Though to be honest
Many applications would benefit from tiered storage

[pearl gulch]

hol' up, tiered storage?

from my gurgle search, I think I've only done tiered storage manually so far.

[potent portal]

RAID 50 or nothing

[dusky hearth]

What would even be the minimum amount of drives be for that kind of setup

[pearl gulch]

hmm maybe I just need to upgrade my NAS and network setup to handle the load of data transfer

[potent portal]

6 drives

[dusky hearth]

Another application where that 5 bay NAS doesn't work in

[potent portal]

Could do RAID 60 too, 8 drives

[dusky hearth]

Wouldn't the parity calculations negate any speed gains obtained from raid 0

[potent portal]

Fast parity drive

[dusky hearth]

Hmm

[pearl gulch]

After all these years, I still haven't observed a use case for setting up RAID in a personal environment. I've also only ever replaced 2 failing drives in 2 RAIDS at 2 different companies... but I have moved away from service and into app administration over hardware.

[dusky hearth]

Yeah that's the "easy" way that takes 0 setup

Mfw my phone died in the middle of typing that

[pearl gulch]

rip dude. what's your preference on automatic storage tiering?

[dusky hearth]

Honestly, idk if there are any good free options? The last time I used it was for a college project with windows server lol

Maybe there's some open source one

[pearl gulch]

that's what I expected actually. sounds too complex to wrap around the windows OS

I'll keep it to manual tiering 😛

[dusky hearth]

Technically some NAS software does do tiering, though on like HDD, SSD, and ramdisk
Though this requires sufficiently fast networking (though used 10g enterprise nics are relatively cheap)

[pearl gulch]

my friend was asking me why I had a HDD and a SSD in my PC instead of 2 SSD's... I had a hard time explaining my logic of having more volatile data stored in the HDD. He basically told me that SSD tech has changed a lot over the years and I should be just doing all SSD.

[dusky hearth]

Always keep backups no matter the medium (also HDD reliability as it's becoming less popular, has been on a downwards trend it seems like)
But an all flash system with no spinning rust will no longer cost significantly more than if you used HDDs

Just avoid qlc flash I believe it was

[pearl gulch]

yea, keeping backups was interesting for a while, but I don't really keep anything I can't re-acquire from the cloud... it mostly just saves time, like storing receipts from e-bills and whatnot.

i mean i don't have anything I can't re-acquire

maybe some pet projects for trying to learn game dev or coding, but all my code is backed up at least.

[dusky hearth]

Ok then additional backups aren't strictly required then since you already have a backup (though it's still best to have 3 copies)

[pearl gulch]

lol yea, I got lazy as I got older.

[dusky hearth]

I can't imagine how much lazier I'll get when I'm older, as a youngling

I think I'm already lazy enough

I'll be one of those wall-e characters by the time I'm 40

[pearl gulch]

well, I've lived a lazy lifestyle of 'laziness is a form of efficiency'

[dusky hearth]

Lol

Until we end up deciding that the more efficient method (auto tiering) is more effort than you want to try to figure out

So we end up manual tiering

[pearl gulch]

Is there a reason that DDR5-5000 are recommended by some websites over DDR5-8000 variants? I imagine it could be due to heat or something

or just bad or old info on the website

[mossy venture]

you should look for 6000c30 or 6400c32

faster doesnt always equal better

[pearl gulch]

was looking for some of the reasoning

[mossy venture]

what cpu are you buying

and mobo

[pearl gulch]

im still trying to decide 😦

i think i have the cpu, but I'm willing to bend depending on what else I pick

[mossy venture]

sorry playing rivals atm lol

[potent portal]

There's not a lot of performance difference past 6000 or so, and a lot of motherboards struggle to run more than ~7000

[mossy venture]

i think fals typing an explanation out

afaik any 7000/9000 series amd cpu doesn't like over 6400mhz without putting effort into ram tuning, so if youre looking to plug and play 6000/6400 makes sense

[potent portal]

If you're getting an AMD CPU then you want 6000 specifically because that's the highest speed that you can do while keeping everything synced up. Some CPUs are lucky and can do 6400 synced.

[pearl gulch]

np np, im watching tv and trying to pick out my build items. Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor

[mossy venture]

also, the ram die in a 6000c30 kit and a 7200c34 kit are both either hynix A or M die

[pearl gulch]

I'm more of a software guy, so some of that didn't make much sense to me 😦

[potent portal]

The most that the 12700K can do without instability issues will be 7200, and that's assuming the motherboard likes that speed too

[mossy venture]

if you're gaming id suggest the 7600, unless pricing is weird where you live

[potent portal]

7600 in this case being a CPU model, not a ram speed

[pearl gulch]

oh

[mossy venture]

alr ima stop confusing you and let fal help

[pearl gulch]

I told myself my current pc would be my last one I built myself, but when I look at PC builder copmanies... their configurations feel a bit lacking.

[plucky timber]

Indeed

They overcharge and put the cheapest low quality parts in

They charge 6900XT build prices for a 4060ti

[potent portal]

Did you need wifi on the motherboard?

[pearl gulch]

I need bluetooth more than wifi, but both are fine. I settled temporarily on " Asus ROG STRIX Z790-A GAMING WIFI II ATX LGA1700 Motherboard"

my last 3 computers have had faulty bluetooth

[potent portal]

If you're set on using the 12700K and you want to get as high end as is reasonable, here's my recommendation https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tWXnyW

[pearl gulch]

was this not the same thing?

oh there's an F on that

[potent portal]

Yep that just means it doesn't have an integrated GPU, which sometimes can help with high memory speeds funny enough

[pearl gulch]

weird

[potent portal]

The Intel wifi chip used on that motherboard is known to be pretty decent, but bluetooth issues are a constant no matter what you go with

[pearl gulch]

ah, it still bothers me that bluetooth works flawlessly on business computers, but not on personal.

[potent portal]

Different drivers mostly

Business machines emphasize stability over all else

Consumer machines will compromise some stability to get extra features or speed

[pearl gulch]

yea, I used to deploy business PC's a lot and it always bothered me

the list you linked said there were incompatibilities?

[potent portal]

Yeah I didn't put a cooler

[pearl gulch]

oh ez.

[mossy venture]

could do a 13600kf or 14600kf

better imc too no?

[potent portal]

Sliiightly better

[mossy venture]

or this would be am5, gives you an upgrade path but a bit worse performance https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WJyj6D

[pearl gulch]

yea im aiming for expensive, but not top notch. like the level just below top end (to save on cost)

[potent portal]

A 13600KF would be a good match for you then it sounds like

[mossy venture]

whats the budget?

[pearl gulch]

4k

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GVM48d/intel-core-i5-13600kf-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071513600kf

[mossy venture]

$4000?

usd?

[pearl gulch]

yea... i'd probably aim for 3k, but 4k is the limit

[mossy venture]

oh bruh

[potent portal]

You could do a 5090 build in that budget

Assuming you could get one

[pearl gulch]

i haven't built a computer in 4 years and am still reading up, assuming a 5090 is a gpu

[potent portal]

Yes it's currently the highest end one, and it also costs over $2000

[pearl gulch]

oh ew

[potent portal]

So maybe a 4080 super or 7900 xtx instead

Only $800-900

[pearl gulch]

I was using this as a guide:https://www.logicalincrements.com/

[potent portal]

Hoo boy, let's see how bad this one is

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9f97GJ

threw it together bc im still playing rivals lmao so it might not be great

[potent portal]

Ok that site is far from the worst I've seen. But still could do much better.

[pearl gulch]

oof

[potent portal]

Like, I would never, ever suggest a 9900X to a gamer

Or a 9950X for that matter, but it's listed under the "monstrous" build even though that CPU loses to the 9800X3D badly

[pearl gulch]

hmm, good thing I'm just using it as a guide to making decisions instead of as a rule

Maybe I should start by looking at some high rated builds on pcpartpicker?

[potent portal]

I'll throw one together for you in a couple minutes

[pearl gulch]

sure. As I'm trying to build my own list, I had a few instances of decision paralysis and figured I'd reach out.

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/34smmC

[pearl gulch]

Not sure if this is tmi:

Keys for me are high end storage speed, memory speed was mostly something I thought was interesting, but I don't know if I really need it. aiming to stick to 64 GB memory.
I'm using 3 monitors at 1920x1080 res, technically have a KVM setup for swapping to work, but I had to remove the KVM because one of my computers couldn't support it properly (right now I manually swap the keyboard, have an extra mouse that i physically swap between, and manually swap the input from the buttons on the monitors).

I currently have a lot of v sync looking issues when gaming, suggesting I need to do more with my graphics card. preferably without SLI bridging (bad experience with it, unless it has become better over the years).

[potent portal]

I'd consider this to be a quite high end machine. No real compromises. The GPU is a placeholder, it's hard to get one right now. Any similar GPU will do.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7RKcGJ

[pearl gulch]

and im unsure if keeping a separate SSD for the OS is still a thing

[potent portal]

64GB of memory hurts your memory speed potential, 48GB is the max without compromising that

[pearl gulch]

oh interesting

I was running into issues because I sometimes try to run a bunch of VM's. guess that's more reason to get my server up and running again.

[potent portal]

Oh and SLI is dead. They don't even put the interfaces on the GPU anymore.

[pearl gulch]

lol, at least I confirmed that myself ~4 years ago...

[mossy venture]

Id def suggest an upgrade from 1080p for a pc like this

[pearl gulch]

I like 1080 😛 but my monitors support 4k

[potent portal]

Separate drive for the OS is optional, I'd just go with partitioning a single drive instead. That makes it easy to reinstall windows without worrying about losing data.

[crimson zinc]

The recommend using HDDs at $800

What

[covert vapor]

Mmmm yes HDD OS drive

Spin disks go brrrrr

[pearl gulch]

lol

[crimson zinc]

They use them at each interval

Who made these lists

[pearl gulch]

guess that list is now dead to me

[crimson zinc]

If your budget is $4500+, just get a 8tb nvme tf

[covert vapor]

I don't object to the use of hard drives as budget storage for things that do not need speed, but after a certain point budget wise it makes no sense to not just go all in on SSDs

[crimson zinc]

Speaking of, how’s this?

[potent portal]

2019 model, not too bad

[pearl gulch]

7200 was the top speed I could find a few years ago

or top reasonable speed

[languid nimbus]

Slow

[potent portal]

They made 20k rpm drives

They don't any more

[crimson zinc]

Should I grab it? @potent portal

[pearl gulch]

lol

[crimson zinc]

Dude has 2 other interested

[potent portal]

Is that jawa?

[crimson zinc]

Mercari

[potent portal]

Ah

[crimson zinc]

He’s uh

Pretty well trusted

[potent portal]

Hmm idk how good their buyer protection is if the drive has bad smart info

Yeah ok with that rep I'd take the risk

[crimson zinc]

Got it

[swift comet]

1st Test boot, it's alive! Finally

I just gave up on the cables though.... 😆

[potent portal]

As long as it closes, who really cares what the back looks like right?

[lone flame]

mine is so bad im scared to ever go back there

whatever the next iteration of my build is i'll try and be more patient and manage my cables better lol

[pearl gulch]

is there a reference for this somewhere? I'm curious and so is my friend

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/skinny-homer-homer-back-fat-homer-simpson-gif-25749447

i find it funny that a somewhat similar technique is actually used to get "rid" of wrinkly skin
you kinda use a clear somewhat skin coloured tape, and you pull your skin taught under where it isnt seen normally

so that your skin still looks supple or whatever the adjective was

smooth

[potent portal]

The issue is that 32GB sticks are dual rank (chips on both sides) which is a lot harder to run than single rank. 24GB sticks are the fastest around right now.

The reason for dual rank being harder to run is the memory controller has to manage the extra bank groups. The more bank groups it has, the slower it has to go to avoid causing an error.

[serene onyx]

Hey guys

I have a serioys question

I have a friend thats installing windows 11 to a freshly built pc

but as soon as the usb was placed into the system and loaded into the installer it gives him a system 32 driver error

but it doesnt even have an os installed yet

any help?

[potent portal]

Did you enable XMP/EXPO

[serene onyx]

Ill ask

I will turn it on

[potent portal]

No don't

Leave it off

[serene onyx]

oh ok

[potent portal]

Clear CMOS and go right back to the installer

?cmos

[jolly river]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[serene onyx]

I will do that and then update you

[potent portal]

If that doesn't work try making the USB installer again, preferably on a different USB stick

[serene onyx]

Ok sounds good

[pearl gulch]

that awkward moment when you're talking with your friend about memory speeds and he's like, wait... share your screen... you know that's you're on the default lowest setting for DDR4, right?
And I've been using my computer for 4 years not knowing i was using half the performance value I paid for...

[potent portal]

That's pretty common tbh

Especially if you get a prebuilt

[pearl gulch]

i built it myself 😛

[dusky hearth]

Me running it knowingly

[pearl gulch]

just assumed that if it was on auto, i didn't have to check it

[pearl gulch]

friend wants to know if you mean single stick ram in that context or not

[potent portal]

That is per stick, per channel

A set of 2x 24GB sticks for example

Avoid using 4 sticks on DDR5 if possible, it severely cripples your speed

[cyan ravine]

There he is officer

[pearl gulch]

whoa what

[potent portal]

Yes seriously

Sometimes you're lucky to get 4800 running

5600 is difficult

[pearl gulch]

damn, it's like you were reading our minds lol

[potent portal]

lol I don't even know how many times I've had this discussion

Same with @cyan ravine

It's been like that since the first DDR5 motherboards

But back in the early days like that it was possible to be limited to 4400, below the minimum speed, and effectively impossible to run

[pearl gulch]

this is making me rethink buying a new PC

lol

[cyan ravine]

@pearl gulch just think of 1x16 ddr5 like 2x8 ddr4

[dusky hearth]

Time to use 4 sticks of dual rank frfr

[cyan ravine]

2x16 ddr5 like 4x8 ddr4

4x16 ddr5 like 8x8 ddr4

[potent portal]

A lot of boards will simply refuse to POST with that

[cyan ravine]

It's impossible to run 8x8 on normal ddr4 desktops

But that's just a vague representation of how stupid hard it is to run

Ddr5 is dramatically different

[swift comet]

Running into a weird issue. Just built my New PC but when installing Windows 11 I get this message: "This PC doesn't currently meet Windows 11 system requirements". How does my new PC not meet requirements?

[cyan ravine]

Ftpm/secure boot not enabled in bios.

[swift comet]

Not seeing the enable option. Wrong screen?

[potent portal]

Update your bios and that usually solves it

[swift comet]

Had done it b4 installing windows but will try again

Sadly same issue

[dusky hearth]

tpm

[swift comet]

Where do I go for tpm?

[potent portal]

Press F9 for search

[swift comet]

Looks to be enables already

[potent portal]

Yep that's enabled

Ok so it's a bug in the windows installer

You can bypass the hardware checks by creating the install USB using Rufus

https://rufus.ie/en/

You can get the iso to do so from the Windows media creation tool, just tell it you want to use a different device and to download the iso

[swift comet]

I think I got it. I selected Yes on this option
new cpu installed ftpm nv corrupted.

Press y to reset ftpm. If you have bitlocker or encryption enabled the system will not not without a recovery key.

press n to keep previous ftpm record. And continue system reboot. Ftpm will not enable in new cpu. You can swap back to the old cpu to B recover tpm related keys and date.

Will I have to set up bitlocker by choosing Yes?

[potent portal]

No that's warning you that if you already have bitlocker that you'd need your recovery key if you reset it

[swift comet]

Ohh

Awsome, ya that was the issue. Sorry everyone my mistake

[potent portal]

I'm just glad it was that easy

[pearl gulch]

trying to figure out why my PC is stuck using my memory at 2133 mhz
it's rated 4400, when i try to set the xmp profile, it fails to boot and has to default back to prior settings.

changed the slots per someone else's guidance (I had it in the 1 slot pairing instead of the 2 slot pairing), but same effect.

[crimson zinc]

@pearl gulch what’s your cpu

[pearl gulch]

Intel Core i7 10700KF

[mossy venture]

What motherboard?

A higher speed kit doesn't just mean you'll run 4400mhz. Your cpu and mobo need to be able to actually handle ram that fast, which afaik no 10th/11th gen cpu can without heavy ram tuning

If you enable xmp and set it to 3600mhz that should be fine

If not 3200mhz

[dusky hearth]

that ram is also dual rank it seems

16gb ddr4 sticks

[pearl gulch]

Z590 Phantom Gaming 4

I have a 2nd stick, just collapsed the view to give details.

and I thought my mobo could handle the ddr4 speeds when I bought it

[mossy venture]

Do you feel like spending hours dealing with ram tuning?

If not, 4400mhz won't happen, it might not even be possible with ram tuning I've never looked at how 10th gen does with ram tuning

[pearl gulch]

i've already spent 2 hours diagnosing

[mossy venture]

Then go look at the tutorial in #overclocking

[pearl gulch]

oh, the one thing I've avoided doing all these years lol

[mossy venture]

Ram tuning is ocing :p

Or you can just try 3600-4000mhz

[pearl gulch]

im ok with pretty much any decent sized performance boost. doesn't have to be the number I bought

so it's probably a limitation I couldn't identify when purchasing my parts

[mossy venture]

Then you can enable xmp and turn down the speed

You could probably get lower latency than the xmp sets it to

Or, third option

Return the ram and get a (likely) cheaper kit you don't need to mess with

If you were already on 32gb 3200mhz+ it's not going to be a very noticeable difference

[pearl gulch]

hmmm whatever i need to do, it's noticeable when comparing my loading speeds in games with other friends

I really think it's my mobo though... because my m.2 slot closest to my cpu doesn't register my ssd, I had to use the 3rd closest one

I got censored on a bunch of 'additional issues' the PC has 😦
Short version, ssd bad blocks since purchase, bluetooth adapters and wifi adapters don't work.

all leading me to think the mobo wants me to suffer

so I'll try turning the memory speed up to 32 or 3600

[mossy venture]

What storage do you use

And what was your ram before this?

[pearl gulch]

Samsung 980 pro 2TB (and the interface is listed as unknown), then a HDD
ram was always the same, since I built the PC.

and the SSD works slower than I thought it would as well.

[mossy venture]

Is it every game is loading slow, or is it games you're running from the hdd?

Did you put windows on the ssd?

[pearl gulch]

no, I know when to pay attention to which games are on my HDD and SSD

and yes, OS is on SSD

[mossy venture]

Do you have at least 100gb free on the os drive?

[pearl gulch]

cleared 1 TB of space troubleshooting my SSD speeds

[mossy venture]

What ram did you have before?

[pearl gulch]

always the same ram, since computer's inception

[mossy venture]

I dont see the ram in that screen shot

[pearl gulch]

I never noticed my memory speeds were on default until a friend told me to screenshare while we were wondering why my PC wasn't performing

[mossy venture]

Oh wait

[mossy venture]

This isn't a new kit you bought, you've had the 4400mhz kit

Got it

Sorry

[pearl gulch]

np

[mossy venture]

So ram defaults to jedec speeds until you enable xmp/docp in bios, which i imagine you've seen by now

Jedec is either 2133 2333 or 2666 depending on the ram

You should be able to just enable xmp and try a diff speed, but if you want to still increase performance after that bringing down ram timings will help with 1% lows and maybe loading times

[pearl gulch]

problem is, when I enable xmp profile (set to auto) it fails to boot and reverts back

[mossy venture]

Yeah auto is at 4400

It should give you the option to try a lower speed, if you send a pic of bios I can maybe help

[pearl gulch]

oh yea that's the one thing there I haven't tried and was going to try at next boot

[cursive wharf]

RAM in correct slots?

[mossy venture]

Oh good point

Slots 2 and 4

[pearl gulch]

swapped them to the correct slots last night

[mossy venture]

Normally

Nice

[pearl gulch]

didn't help

[mossy venture]

My pc didn't even get to windows with the ram in the wrong slots lmao

[pearl gulch]

lol

my friend was wondering how i got the system to boot as well

but we're at a point where he's got no clue other than adjusting the speeds to lower speeds and seeing if it takes.

actually, guess I'll try that now

[pearl gulch]

well, i was able to hit 3200 without failing to boot to os... so guess that's it. gotta read more fine print before i buy my memory and cpu next time.

[dusky hearth]

I'd recommend running the occt memory test just to make sure it's stable

Sometimes it's stable enough to "run" until it gets used in a game or other software and it blue screens suddenly

[little osprey]

is it easy to build a fully water cooled pc?

[mossy venture]

No

[little osprey]

do you think I could do it with a budget of 3600

[mossy venture]

Sure but it won't give you extra performance

[little osprey]

i know

i just want my pc to be cooler temperature wise

[dusky hearth]

cpu and gpu are perfectly fine 90% of the time on air cooling, at stock speeds

[little osprey]

ok ok

[mossy venture]

You can also do a water cooled gpu and cpu without needing a custom loop

[little osprey]

what kit would be good to use

[mossy venture]

There's tons of aio options.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/b8MXsY/thermalright-core-vision-argb-7237-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-core-vision-360-black
This one has an lcd display on the coldplate

Cheaper just as good
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZQBzK8/thermalright-aqua-elite-v3-6617-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-aqua-elite-360-black-v3

Gpu depends on the specific model you want

Example
https://www.newegg.com/powercolor-liquid-devil-amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt-16gb-gddr6/p/27N-000F-000W6?Item=9SIADFRKCF6372&tpk=1

[calm dove]

hi

5600(120$)or5600x(140$)or5700x(180$) for 7700xt (1080p)

wich one is a good deal ?

[little osprey]

what brand though?

[calm dove]

why ?

[stoic island]

how are you supposed to read this? 5600 the CPU for $120 or $140? or 5600xt the GPU for $120 or $140? 5700x the CPU for $140 or 180? or 5700/xt the GPU for $140 or 180? 7700xt for $180 or missing a price?

[calm dove]

sorry 5600x 140$

[mossy venture]

They will all perform near identically in games

If you don't have anything you might be able to move budget around for a 12600k/kf or 7600

Ie
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HbfZCd

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zNxhmD

[calm dove]

no use for 8c/16t in 2025 or future games

useless ?

[mossy venture]

Imo these cpus will be irrelevant before 8c will be noticeably better for gaming

If you alr have a mobo/ram, 5700x3d would be my choice

Otherwise 5600

[calm dove]

okey

[mossy venture]

This is abt 20% better than the other choices for games

[calm dove]

even 6800xt

[mossy venture]

The 5600/5700x will limit the 6800xt a fair bit tbh

[calm dove]

under 10 % bottleneck ?

for 1080p

[mossy venture]

Depends on the game and resolution

1080p definitely more than 10%

Do you have a pcpartpicker list?

Is this an upgrade or new build?

[calm dove]

its a different market

different country

[mossy venture]

Ah what country?

[calm dove]

north africa

[mossy venture]

Or if you have a store you're looking at i can check pricing

[calm dove]

yes i have a list

[mossy venture]

Do you alr have the 6800xt?

[calm dove]

nope

[mossy venture]

For 1080p id go for a bit worse gpu and a better cpu

Like a 7700xt, 6800, 6750xt/6700xt, something along those lines

[calm dove]

i will give choices that i have here

[mossy venture]

Is there an online store i can look at?

Either way is fine, it'd just be easier for you that way

[calm dove]

@mossy venture https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8szpzP

650w enough for 7700xt ?

[cyan ravine]

I would pick something a little better than a BN

And that board is pretty poor for an X chip

Would take something with heatsinks

Otherwise PBO PPT set 65W max

[pearl gulch]

any recommendations for cases?

Someone recommended Lian Li, but
Mostly looking to confirm the recommendation or hear others

Aiming for:
ATX Full Tower (Actually, I'm kind of unsure I even need a full tower)
Good air flow.
If there are good ways to make it light, I'm it would help a lot since I'm a shell of my former self and struggle to pick up a full tower and move it every time i have to fix something.

[calm dove]

its not the us

[cyan ravine]

I am already aware and my answer doesn't shift despite this

Lol

[calm dove]

its 65w and no oc where the problem ?

[cyan ravine]

Can you do an matx motherboard, if so, you can get some hella small cases

[cyan ravine]

Not stock, you need to set it to run that with pbo

[pearl gulch]

i actually only just started thinking about whether i can. not sure yet... haven't done any resxearch on anything outside of atk

atx

[cyan ravine]

I've built two 5600x systems in the last 12 months, I know what they behave like lol

[cyan ravine]

Nowadays atx is like, barely any point of needed contention these days as extra slots are often cheap and provide basically nothing for the motherboarda capabilities

You'll get all these extra slots that have minimal connectivity

[calm dove]

5600is good for a520 + 7700xt ?

[cyan ravine]

The only real benefit nowadays is more m.2

So if you can do matx, I can think of a bunch of cases, even ones with carry handles, you can use for easy lifting

[pearl gulch]

hmmmmm

[cyan ravine]

Not necessarily light, but very practical for safe carrying

[pearl gulch]

so i only need a max of 2 m.2 unless wifi needs to be on m.2 as well

[calm dove]

• im building under 1k$

[pearl gulch]

but I do need enough space for 3 monitor inputs on the gpu

[cyan ravine]

Ye that's ez on matx

[cyan ravine]

A520 is fine just again, I would be noting this requirement as the 5600x would otherwise throttle and run slower at times

Good a520s have heatsinks, this one does not

[cyan ravine]

That's easy, specifically gpu can do that no issue

Have a look up of these 3 cases mate

Lian li dan a3

Jonsbo D32

Jonsplus Z20

[pearl gulch]

ty

[cyan ravine]

The last one has a carry handle

[calm dove]

ASUS PRIME B450-PLUS 100$

but it willbe +1k$

[cyan ravine]

Again, just set the cpu to ppt 65W and it's fine

You want a better psu definitely by comparison

Also this may help

Used 6800≈7700XT

Less RDNA RT gains

[calm dove]

Cooler Master MWE Bronze 550W V3

same price

[cyan ravine]

Nope need something better still

Msi agl?

[calm dove]

+90$

[cyan ravine]

Xpg kyber?

[calm dove]

rip

no

[cyan ravine]

Highest I'd go on ABN is like, 6750xt

[calm dove]

only these 2

[cyan ravine]

I wouldn't run a 7700XT on those

Can you find a used good unit

Can you wait a week and save $50 more

Like I just can't give my blessings on those psus with that gpu sorry

[calm dove]

not USA

[calm dove]

because of 650w or bronze ?

[cyan ravine]

Because the psu safeties aren't enough for the kind of power of that tier of gpu

Rdna 3 is very spike happy

[calm dove]

MSI MAG A750BN PCIE5 80PLUS Bronze 750W 100$ ?

[cyan ravine]

6800 is also very spike happy

[calm dove]

we dont have that

[cyan ravine]

Mmmm a little better. It's not the wattage

[calm dove]

bad used market

[cyan ravine]

It's the psu quality

[calm dove]

then

[cyan ravine]

ABN is very basic

So is CM bronze

[calm dove]

Cooler Master G Gold V2 ATX 3.1 650W 90$

[cyan ravine]

That one is good enough

[calm dove]

btw i recommended a mwe 650 cooler master bronze for a friend using 4070 super