building-and-recc-chat

[stable cove]

May require the right case too for water AIO cooling or custom loop

[dusky hearth]

Also if the top exhaust is radiators, the fins will slow down the CFM due to it being restrictive

Even less to worry about

Negative case pressure isn't going to cause an issue asides from more dust intake as long as the air is flowing

[stable cove]

Yeah I'd need a filter for the back fan to avoid dust clogging

[dusky hearth]

Filters aren't going to prevent that, preventive maintenance will

[stable cove]

There's only enough room on the rear from one fan

Kind of a shame because we could possibly need more fans

[dusky hearth]

Honestly speaking, you don't even need a dust filter for most houses as long as you dust out your PC once every 6 months
Or even 12 months would probably still be fine but perhaps starting to clog without any filters

[echo depot]

guys should I get the R7 5800x as a budget cpu
its on sale and it only costs 140$

[dusky hearth]

If you already have am4, I guess

[stable cove]

Yeah its just most PC cases seem to have the some rectange box design so You can only put in the same number of fans

[echo depot]

its a new build

budget yk

[stable cove]

7

[potent portal]

You'll need a very strong CPU cooler for that, mine would throttle under an AIO when gaming

That was the second hottest CPU on AM4

The hottest being the 5800X3D

[echo depot]

damn

stock cooler is not a good option

[potent portal]

It doesn't even come with one

[echo depot]

fr?

[potent portal]

The power is way too high for that

[echo depot]

ill build the pc if its expensive I might downgrade the cpu maybe 5600 or something else idk

cause I think I will need a good psu and liquid cooler

[stable cove]

Why is everyon in the server so worried about saving money on pcs and not picking high end pc parts for vr to get insane resolution and performance through the lenses?

[potent portal]

ikr

Needs more 5090

So I can do 4k per eye at 240 fps

[echo depot]

im broke

[stable cove]

and the gpu is $2k so the whole pc definitely will be $4000

[dusky hearth]

Why would you need a liquid cooler

[stable cove]

Well this situation isn't for everyone

[potent portal]

5800X

[dusky hearth]

I mean, they said they might downgrade to a 5600

Or smth

[stable cove]

It's just about me being on a high $10k budget and trying to get high end specs for the Pimax Crystal Super

[potent portal]

In which case the stock cooler would work

fr tho people just need to save up more, less lattes and more g.skill royals

[dusky hearth]

No more avocado toast

[stable cove]

PC build above $4,000 coming up. Tell me if there are stability issues https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L4fXnp

Imagine the first thing someone here is worried about is the price because I would be spending that $4-5k

[potent portal]

9800X3D sux now, need 9950X3D

[stable cove]

When was that statement made

[potent portal]

Just now, by me, representative of pc gamers everywhere ||within 5 feet of myself||

[stable cove]

Is the 9950 any better for gaming at all?

[potent portal]

But if it's honest feedback you're looking for I'd say not that cooler since the GPU will dump all of it's heat directly into it, it's rotated 90 degrees from the normal air cooler, and I don't really like the white case with the rest of the parts being black

[potent portal]

No clue tbh it's not out yet

[stable cove]

Fine I'll change the cooler

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s6HPKq

[potent portal]

Could go with this one, has a LCD on the pump block https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6Rkqqs/thermalright-core-vision-argb-7237-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-core-vision-360-black-argb

[stable cove]

Just know price isn't my biggest concern. Just trying to get a PC with high pc specs so went on a few sites to select a motherboard based off the information I got like this one https://www.pcgamer.com/best-gaming-motherboards/#section-best-amd-x870-gaming-motherboard

Need to see if I can find a black case

[potent portal]

Fair warning: pc gamer does get paid by those brands to advertise so they can't be neutral in their reviews

[stable cove]

Where'd you guys research high end mobos then?

Theres a lot of websites but whihc one is tru for high end specs?

[potent portal]

Hardware unboxed has a good reputation for this stuff https://youtu.be/keJHego7neI?si=V9yxwsdiGAhqGAUg

[stable cove]

So one video said more ram doesn't slow your pc down or make it faster more ram prevents your pc from getting slowed down

[potent portal]

How old is that video

[stable cove]

3 months

So did my ram or storage have stability issues? Anything else that might cause my pc to explode or anything? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s6HPKq

[potent portal]

Hmm, well they're not entirely wrong but there's a few things missing from that statement. Getting more memory capacity only helps when you're near or above the memory capacity already, and running 4 sticks of DDR5 will definitely slow you down significantly.

[potent portal]

Nothing critical, just a few things that I would have chosen differently. 1000W should be enough for the 5090, I think. It can spike REALLY high on power though.

If it were me I'd probably switch to 1200W

Just to be on the safe side

[stable cove]

Thats what Reddit said I'll do it

[potent portal]

Maybe this one then https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZcQKHx/super-flower-zillion-fg-1250-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-1250z12fg

[stable cove]

Well just glad I finally managed to put a good build together this time and all I had to do was go on a few websites

[tawny violet]

Holy

I don't think an 850 could do that

[wet hare]

Isn’t adjusting I can do to stop COD BO6 from lagging brand new build 4080super

[cyan ravine]

What cpu

Oh

#graphics-cards

[dusky hearth]

DAMNNNNN

[restive halo]

So price went up on cpu lol now I'm out of budget

The last build I did they gave me the old cpu and motherboard if that helps

[glacial umbra]

im so torn between waiting for a 5080 or even amds next gen or just going and picking up a 7900 xtx for $300 less than a 5080

[rain carbon]

just grab the xtx

you wont be at all dissappointed

[mossy venture]

Link the pcp list

[mossy venture]

$700? That's a pretty good price

[glacial umbra]

its canadian pricing so they're sitting at around $800 USD rn because canadacomputers is trying to get rid of stock

[mossy venture]

And it has more vram than an xtx, and likely will be within 10% performance. Downsides include worse power control (likely, but i technichally can't say confirmed,) and no nvidia features

That said, nvidia features are overrated asf

[glacial umbra]

im not too big into ray tracing or anything anyways

[mossy venture]

Dlss 4.0 looks to fix some of the big issues with current dlss/frame gen, but i highly doubt it's anything monumental

Xtx can do great ray tracing anyways, 7000 series made leaps and bounds compared to 6000/5000

[glacial umbra]

ive heard fsr has improved a good ways as well

[mossy venture]

Not as good as 40 series, but not terrible by any means

[mossy venture]

In marvel rivals, FSR works better for me than DLSS on a 2080 ti

Ofc the newer the card the better dlss works

[glacial umbra]

yeah thats good to hear i really like having upscaling

especially if im saving $300 cad

[weary galleon]

Transformer model lowkey cooks tho

[cyan ravine]

300 less?? That's a no brainer pick for the XTX

[weary galleon]

Like, a step down in quality (i.e quality -> performance) and going from CNN to transformer looks as good or better

[cyan ravine]

Used 4080/4080S is a good idea too btw

If you MUST HAVE frame gen, dlss 4 etc

It's compelling

[weary galleon]

Just no 5080 lol

[cyan ravine]

Yeah 5080 is gross

You won't get one at msrp

And even then it's almost doa

Actually even more so

Cheaper XTX

Then get a 5700X3D

You'll be all set to run your system properly, with even budget left for a psu upgrade

Absolute no brainer

[potent portal]

I don't think anyone needs frame gen tbh. I've not seen a single person that's singing Jensen's praises for his gift to mankind. It's always just a passing "oh that's cool."

Even the fanboys are pretty meh on it

[stoic island]

I think people have grown on framegen now that mfg is the thing being criticized

[potent portal]

On the contrary, I think they just got tired of criticizing frame gen and this is the new thing to hate on

Yes frame gen has improved since the early days dramatically, especially once game devs figured out how to decouple the UI from the game world, but there's still noticeable artificacting and especially at lower source frame rates.

[cyan ravine]

Reflex 2 fixed the latency issue of frame gen along with the transformative model making it passable

So in a sense future frame gen only has the issue of visual quality

My main issue with frame gen was pc latency got as bad as 60ms or more, which is physically noticeable

Now that reflex 2 exists we are mostly a long way away from that

Is it perfect? Far from it imo

But a looonnnggg way better than it was a month ago

Night and day I feel

MFG has revealed further issues of clarity which are tangent to base frame rate (Which is similarly tied to latency)

Atm it needs a playable frame rate to even be considerable, which flies in the face of the marketing lmao

[rain carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[cyan ravine]

Do I think anyone needs? No, but if they can't compromise on it, I think a used 40 card is way better value

[potent portal]

Yes definitely agree on that point. If using Nvidia in general is a requirement 40 series is the better option, especially for tinkerers.

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[potent portal]

That 5% that the 5080 has over the 4080 is a simple power limit change away

[cyan ravine]

Indeed

And all that said, my personal gripe with FG is now gone

So I am leaning into it a bit now

But this is purely only because of reflex

I'd never consider it otherwise

[tawny violet]

It's crazy that it took this far to make FG really viable

[cyan ravine]

What I'd consider the like, nirvana, would be perfect clarity FG of any degree, down to a system latency as close to 0ms as possible

[potent portal]

Almost as long as it took for RT

[cyan ravine]

That way there's 0 drawback

[tawny violet]

I do wonder tho

RT is now

[rain carbon]

Rt is now actually viable

Not great

[tawny violet]

Mostly viable (besides being mandatory for some games)

[rain carbon]

But viable

[cyan ravine]

RT will develop over the coming couple years to the point it's expectant

[tawny violet]

4080 can do 1440p RT?

[cyan ravine]

Ofc

[restive halo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vXGRFZ

[cyan ravine]

It can do 4K

[vague oracle]

4k RT when?

[cyan ravine]

Not great 4K, but hey, frame gen kinda hits the mark

[tawny violet]

The Master Chart™️

[potent portal]

When properly implemented and on modern hardware, RT is quite viable and does have a decent impact on visual quality

[tawny violet]

now obviously out of date until 50 series is added but still

[vague oracle]

...is there really that little difference between the 4080 and 4080S?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[vague oracle]

Bruh

[tawny violet]

it's just an official price drop

[cyan ravine]

3D mark has the 4080 faster on average dude

LOL

You know why?

[tawny violet]

same die, slightly clocked higher and
200 dollar price drop

[vague oracle]

Goddamnit Nvidia

[cyan ravine]

Cos the 4080 has a 1.1v unlock

[vague oracle]

Ahh 200 dollar cheaper is hype

[tawny violet]

you can OC your 4080 into a 4080S

[cyan ravine]

Vs 4080S 1.07v

That higher voltage is huge

They are virtually identical

[vague oracle]

Yeah higher voltage makes worlds of difference

[tawny violet]

Wait hold up, 4080 better technically?

[cyan ravine]

On older AD102 and not AD103 yes

[tawny violet]

I didn't even know that

[cyan ravine]

Technically

[vague oracle]

1.2V 4090 is hype af

[potent portal]

Hell it's closer than that, silicon lottery variance can get you a 4080 that beats a 4080S

[tawny violet]

how do I know what die a 4080 has?

[cyan ravine]

There's an even bigger unlock for the 4080 but I will not elaborate

I'm not gonna plant any ideas

[vague oracle]

EVC is best unlock

[cyan ravine]

It's worse

That's all I will say lmfao

[stoic island]

Funny chokes?

[cyan ravine]

Opening it tbh

[tawny violet]

but realistically if I'm just gonna game on it

Die is p much irrelevant right?

It's still gonna perform to that level

[stoic island]

Should only be OC headroom diff

[cyan ravine]

It's basically irrelevant

If same cores, basically same layout

You'll get minor differences

But nothing worth talking about

[tawny violet]

cuz I don't wanna spend extra and waste time looking for a specific model

cheapest 4080 within 5% margin is what I need

[stoic island]

Not worth here

[cyan ravine]

Just cheapest 4080/S you can find

That'll get you the best of Ada imo

[tawny violet]

Gainward Phantom GS :3

[stoic island]

Whatever works works

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much

[tawny violet]

This ugly box of awesome hardware

[potent portal]

All the 4080 coolers are overbuilt anyway

[tawny violet]

that's currently the cheapest one

[cyan ravine]

It's not even like the 4090

[tawny violet]

with the 4090 power limits actually matter right?

[cyan ravine]

The coolers are so much better all the 4090 issues disappear virtually

Yes

It has meaning

[tawny violet]

but like

600 watts is a LOT

idk how much difference it makes against 450

[cyan ravine]

Yes but the pcbs are in some cases minor upgrades for nearly double power

[vague oracle]

Most 4090 coolers are still able to cool that fairly easily

[cyan ravine]

The 4080 was extremely overbuilt

[tawny violet]

it's not cooling I'm worried about Alec

But just

[cyan ravine]

Very little issues to speak of

[tawny violet]

Power bill (living in bumheck nowhere Eastern Europe)

[cyan ravine]

I think only the ventus non-e has a minor vrm issue

It didn't have full coverage

[tawny violet]

so really

[cyan ravine]

If you have good airflow it is mostly fine

[vague oracle]

True power bill definitely went up ever so slightly with the 4090

[vague oracle]

What country?

[tawny violet]

it's more that I don't really have the power budget for it
And my room is tiny with no AC

[tawny violet]

Hungary
Power prices are among the highest in Europe

like

60 cents US a kWh (converted)

[vague oracle]

Ahh yeah im from Poland so similar case over here

At least the few months i had my setup there, it was like that

[tawny violet]

and rn I have a 650w PSU
I'd probably need to move up to an 850 for a 4090

not to mention I intend to use the nCore 100 Max

which does have an 850
But the included native 12vhpwr is onlyy 450w

[vague oracle]

Yeah i had to up my PSU to a 1000w one when I upgraded to a 6950xt so I got lucky with that when I moved to a 13900k 4090

[cyan ravine]

750W min with 65w chip

850W min up to like 160W chip

1000W+ for anything else

[tawny violet]

9800X3D

[cyan ravine]

And that's implying good units

[tawny violet]

anything other than X3D is pretty stupid with a 4090

[vague oracle]

...I still don't get how i maxed out that 1000w PSU with a 3700x and 6950xt when benching but no issues with the 13900k and 4090

[tawny violet]

and especially a 5090

[cyan ravine]

4090 has good transients

[tawny violet]

transients is my guess

[vague oracle]

Probably but even then the 6950 maxed out at ~700w at its peak

That 3700x be drawing a ton of power at 1.4V which i don't even know was possible

[cyan ravine]

6950 is as bad if not worse tbh

Lmao

4090 had one of it's selling points being transients

~ 40% where it counts

Meanwhile 6950 is like nearly 90%

Lmfao

[vague oracle]

Bruh thats actually wild

[covert vapor]

700w for a 6950xt? Was that one of the top tier models? My XFX Merc doesn't spike anywhere near that high or my PC would bork

[cyan ravine]

Most psus ignore it is why

6900XT I know for a fact spikes over 600W

Some are sensitive to transients like this tho, the seasonic focus gx had this issue years ago with 30 series

[tawny violet]

That appears to have quietly fixed

Which is good cuz my next PSU will be a 750w Focus GX that I can get for a great price here

[potent portal]

The real transient spikes won't be readable in software. Most software polls at a 1000-2000ms rate, but the spikes can last less than 1ms.

[lone flame]

What does that mean

[potent portal]

If it's running at 450W average then it can spike to 850W

[cyan ravine]

Usual tgp ≈ 320W, spikes up to near 550-600W and higher on aib models

However spikes so short most psus ignore

RDNA improved on this, the highest spikes on their cards is about 550W on a normal vbios

[lone flame]

Ah gotcha

Is that an issue nvidia has or had?

[cyan ravine]

30 series was pretty similar

40 and 50 series, no

5090, possible, never checked properly

[analog hearth]

So, 1000W+ for my 12500T

[cyan ravine]

Not even on the map for 4090 bruv

[mossy venture]

You can get an $86 8400f off aliexpress instead. Yes it's a good bit worse for games, but you get to keep the upgradability of am5, and you can just resell the cpu when you replace it
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DmyJt3

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007653739541.html

[potent portal]

5090 spikes to 900W <1ms

Source is Igor's lab

[restive halo]

It's for a build I'm doing for someone else

[mossy venture]

Hmm

Then I'd say a 7600/x with either a cheaper gpu or a used/refurb gpu

[vague oracle]

OC formula with almost everything unlocked

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wBG7v4

[glacial umbra]

ty for convincing me lol

not that it was that hard lol

[mossy venture]

Lmao I gotchu

[plucky timber]

Is that an XTX

[mossy venture]

Si

[plucky timber]

Damn

$700?

That's like XT price

Banger deal

[mossy venture]

Yeah $85 above all time low 7900xt price (new)

Ill take that any day of the week

Solid model too

[plucky timber]

Colourful?

[cyan ravine]

Xfx

[weary galleon]

speedster i think

[cyan ravine]

It's the unlocked merc310

Basically tier 1

It sits up there with the nitro+ and such

[plucky timber]

👀

[lone flame]

beast of a card, 5080 makes it look even better

XFX 🫡

[sleek agate]

I'm not precisely sure this is a "build" question so much as a home office question so feel free to direct me elsewhere if that's the case. I have recently been provided a m3 MacBook Pro for work purposes, and based on my experiences and a call I had with Apple's helpline, it doesn't seem to support both HDMI and display port monitors at the same time, even with usb-C adapters. From the conversation I had, it seems like it supports 1 non-Thunderbolt monitor at a time. So I'm looking around at USB-C/Thunderbolt monitors. I will be straight up, I'm not 100% familiar with the difference between thunderbolt and USB-C. I'm looking for a about 27 inch monitor for less than 400 CAD, preferably less than 300 CAD

[weary galleon]

thunderbolt and USB-C are the same connector, Thunderbolt is just a specification

You might be able to get a dock/dongle that plugs into the laptop thunderbolt and has an HDMI or DP for the monitor

[sleek agate]

Nah, that's the setup I currently have but it just black screens

[dusty coyote]

Hey guys. I have another interesting problem to see if you can help with.

I just built a PC with an MSI MPG B650I Edge Wifi motherboard
32GB RGB Corsair DDR5 RAM
And an AM5 Ryzen 7 7700X CPU

Both the red light for the CPU is on and the yellow light for DRAM (or vice versa I can’t remember) but I can’t figure out why they’re both showing up. I’ve tried resetting the CMOS and I have tried seeing if it needed to train the memory like some videos have suggested but still no progress. Any ideas?

[cyan ravine]

Have you waited 10 minutes

[dusty coyote]

I did. It’s actually still running with one stick in and it’s been going for about 15 minutes

[cyan ravine]

What's the lights showing rn

15 minutes is long enough but describe the light pattern on the motherboard

Is it just solid red, orange or is it doing something else

[shrewd gale]

Might need help, so I might need to find a replace ment that does the same performances https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/H4MMnQ/deepcool-px850g-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-r-px850g-fc0b-us

[cyan ravine]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Bjhv6h/adata-xpg-core-reactor-ii-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-corereactorii850g-bkcus

Sent this before and it's still same price so

Or if you want braided cables included for aesthetics (unit isn't quite as good tho)
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/zBbypg/corsair-rm850e-2025-850-w-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020296-na

[dusty coyote]

It’s just solid red and solid yellow. As soon as I hit the power button, they’re immediately on. Not flashing on or off at any point

[cyan ravine]

They're just both on?

No flicking or anything

Cycling

Hmm

Try switching it off

Make sure the psu plugs are all properly in

Take both ram sticks out (yes)

Then turn it on

What lights come on

Just red?

Just orange?

[dusty coyote]

One moment and I’ll let you know

[crimson zinc]

anyone have any experience with the SAMA SV01 case?

[dusty coyote]

With no ram In, it still pulls up the red and the yellow light. No flickering or anything. They just come on immediately

[stoic island]

It'll be worth reseating the CPU and checking the mobo pins

[winged prawn]

How do I install without any internet I go into the settings and it says not connected, I have the WiFi installed and everything, but it won’t let me connect to a internet source

[stoic island]

What exactly do you have? You might need to get the wifi drivers

[winged prawn]

GIGABYTE X870E AORUS Elite WIFI7 AMD AM5 LGA 1718 Motherboard, ATX, DDR5, 4X M.2, PCIe 5.0, USB4, WIFI7, 2.5GbE LAN, EZ-Latch, 5-Year Warranty

I downloaded the drivers and it did nothing

I used a usb stick

I’m in my bios but I can’t find what version I’m on and the latest bios change was in 2024

[stoic island]

Did you install the wifi drivers? And did you get the drivers from gigabyte?

[winged prawn]

Yes yes

[dusty coyote]

That was my next course of a action

[stoic island]

Can you double check which wifi chip you have on your board? That board has multiple revisions with different wifi chips

[winged prawn]

Can I post the drivers here or will I get banned ?

[stoic island]

It could be mediatek or realtek

don't need to send the file

[winged prawn]

Or can I least show you the website where I got them so you can confirm

[winged prawn]

It’s realtek

[stoic island]

it should be
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X870E-AORUS-ELITE-WIFI7-rev-10-11/support#support-dl-driver-wlanbt

[winged prawn]

I’ve already been there and downloaded the drivers

It won’t let me take a picture

[stoic island]

Have you tried using ethernet or using a hotspot and/or usb tethering for testing?

[winged prawn]

I can’t even use a hot spot 😭

It just says network not available

I can only use Ethernet

Which the mobo didn’t come with nor does my house have a Ethernet cable

I’m going to reset the bios is there any chance I can call or show you what I did ?

[stoic island]

Try doing the following one by one in an admin command prompt
ipconfig /release
ipconfig /flushdns
ipconfig /renew
netsh int ip reset
netsh winsock reset

[winged prawn]

So for the first prompt it’s says no operation can be performed on Bluetooth network connection while it has media disconnected

[stoic island]

oh it just straight up doesn't recognize it?

what does it say in device manager

under network adapters

[winged prawn]

There’s a lot

Bluetooth device
Realtek pcie 2.5 gig Ethernet
WAN Miniport (IKEv2)
WAN Miniport (IP)

There’s a lot of WAN Miniport that I’m not going to keep typing

Unless there’s one in specific if you need

[stoic island]

yea only looking for if there's like an "unknown device" or if it sees your realtek chip

or if it says a mediatek chip and it was mislabeled elsewhere

[shrewd gale]

Thanks, so I have order basically everything, only thing left is the graphic card and the processor.

[winged prawn]

Under “other devices”

It says unknown device if that’s what we’re looking for

And unknown network controller

[stoic island]

my suspicion is still that it's a mediatek chip, try downloading the mediatek wifi drivers and installing it

[winged prawn]

It only says realtek no mediated

Mediatek

[stoic island]

Where does it say realtek?

[winged prawn]

When you go to download the driver and when you install it

I can send a picture rn if I could

[stoic island]

On the downloads page, it's right here

[winged prawn]

I’m on windows 10

That’s the problem so if I have to update to windows 11

To download thag driver ?

[stoic island]

the only listed driver for w10 is the lan driver not wifi anyways, try using it on w10 and see if it'll work, usually it's compatible with both

[winged prawn]

Ok

So I downloaded the the windows 11 file on for the bios elite wifi

What do I do now

[dusky hearth]

install on pc

[winged prawn]

I did

[dusky hearth]

reboot and it'll probably work

if the installation worked

[winged prawn]

It asked to extract the files

So i did

It didn’t install like the last ones didn’t

Did

[dusky hearth]

oh

must have been in a zip file

[winged prawn]

If you read up you’ll see I’m what we’ve been doing

[dusky hearth]

run the setup file

run 2682_5.4.0.2859_DCHSETUP.EXE and it should start installing

if you don't see this file in the extracted folder, you probably downloaded the wrong file

[winged prawn]

I installed it right

And it said

May not have installed correctly

This could’ve been because it’s meant for Windows11 and I’m on 10

The driver installs but then says

[potent portal]

Windows 10 does not support wifi 7

[winged prawn]

So I should update then

[potent portal]

If you need the wifi/bluetooth yes

[winged prawn]

So how do I update with no wifi

I have it on a usb stick but someone said I have to wipe my drive clean or ssd

But i have a 600gigs on the ssd, unless there’s a way to back it up or transfer it to a second ssd i dont know what to do

[potent portal]

Nah no need to wipe it, unless you run into issues like the drive being MBR format

You can pop that windows 11 install usb in and just run the installer from inside windows

[dusky hearth]

oh
interesting

[potent portal]

If you can't find said usb then you can download the iso on another computer and copy it to the target machine. Double click an iso to mount it and it'll act like a CD.

[potent portal]

Officially it's because Windows 10 lacks support for some of the features, unofficially it's because only Intel chipsets even have Windows 10 drivers and they don't have all the features.

[dusky hearth]

hmm....

[winged prawn]

I’m go to sleep since I have work and school tmmr but I will try it later that night, thank you so much for the help and hopefully I won’t have to be here if it works

[manic cloak]

My pc was being weird, I didn’t turn it off, walked away for like an hour, came back and the fans weren’t spinning along with the screen off

I tried pressing my keyboard, power button, nothing worked until I flipped the psu

Now my current issue is that no Bluetooth or WiFi is working even after resetting. is it possible that something could have shorted?

[glacial umbra]

this normal for noctua fan screws? can't seem to get them to thread lol

[manic cloak]

nope.

check out the rest of them

do they look the same?

[glacial umbra]

yeah all 4 of em are like that

[manic cloak]

what fan model actually

[glacial umbra]

NF-F12

[manic cloak]

where are you mounting this to?

cause I don't think that screw in general is long enough to even mount a case fan, let alone anything else

[glacial umbra]

it's just an exhaust fan, it'll hold onto the back i can't just seem to thread em lol

[manic cloak]

oh you're supposed to use the brown silcone part that you got with the fan then uhhh

the rest of the page is half loaded on my phone

[jagged ember]

Noctua

Put em on screw it in

[stable cove]

There an issue with trusting that pcgamer website. Is it false advertising?

[jagged ember]

Or use the rubber things

[manic cloak]

I thought they had to screw the screw inside the silcone thing

but I guess the screws are cosmetic..?

[manic cloak]

which website?

[jagged ember]

They're if the rubber things don't work

Or if you wanna be sure it's attached

[stable cove]

https://www.pcgamer.com/best-gaming-motherboards/ any of you think this pcgamer website a scam?

[manic cloak]

you don't need what they recommend best tbh

it isn't a scam, just not so great advice

[stable cove]

That’s kinda why I gotta read through the specs and details

[manic cloak]

like I can call the asus rog maximus thor thunder e atx whatever etension name z990

the best board ever

[stable cove]

Don’t think any website will give Great advice

[manic cloak]

and you could believe me, but you wouldn't need the 16 usb ports in the back of it

[manic cloak]

what motherboard are you looking for?

[potent portal]

"Best" in this case is only about 3-4% above the "worst"

Motherboard makes very little difference to performance, nothing noticeable

[stable cove]

Don’t you need a good quality one though? Especially if you need to overclock or use a powerful gaming cpu you’re gonna need a durable mobo

That’s where you basically attach everything else onto

[manic cloak]

yes and no

[potent portal]

Also PC Gamer does take sponsorships from the tech companies that they review so it makes it impossible to do an impartial assessment

[stable cove]

That means?

[manic cloak]

very bias ratings, fake ratings

[potent portal]

To a point, you definitely don't want to just get the cheapest thing with the highest end processors, but a good $150 motherboard should handle any modern CPU

No need to spend $500

At all

Even for overclocking

[manic cloak]

It's like the difference between a 2021 camry and a 2024 camry

[stable cove]

What are mobos $500 for?

Are they trying to scam people?

[potent portal]

These days, they mostly just have more pretty lights and heatsinks

[manic cloak]

and more than enough ports in the back for usb

[potent portal]

There's a few semi-useful features for edge cases like a power button on the board directly for when you use it on an open bench

[stable cove]

Are heat sinks important? They said mobos and ssds both had heat sinks

[manic cloak]

they do, but it's not like they'll put nasa grade heatsinks on mobos that cost 500$

it's a basic thermal pad for SSD's that most motherboards have (if you buy one above 130$) and the heatsinks are universal you could say

[potent portal]

They can be important in some cases

[manic cloak]

some heatsinks could be smaller than other motherboards, but those are usually cheaper ended

[stable cove]

Because one guy on Reddit if both your SSd and mobo had heatsinks on them you’d have to remove a heatsink from one of the parts

[potent portal]

Sometimes, not all SSDs come with one

[manic cloak]

^

[potent portal]

I generally recommend ones that don't unless specifically requested

[manic cloak]

the mobo you won't have to remove heatsinks for.

[potent portal]

Well you'd have to take off the heatsink to install the SSD anyway

[manic cloak]

i'm saying as in the heatsinks for the motherboard, but the ssd heatsink is like a bandaid held down by 2 screws

[potent portal]

They're made to be removeable, sometimes even toolless with a magnet latch or something

[manic cloak]

oh

[stable cove]

We didn’t even need to worry about the heatsink. You could just take the SSD heatsink off with a magnet?

[potent portal]

Depends on the motherboard model

They all do it differently

Basic screws are typically going to be on cheaper boards but greedy brands like to put them on high end stuff too

[stable cove]

Someone freaked out in a different discord server because I selected a 1200 watt psu that was $300

[potent portal]

Yeah I'd only pay $150 for one of those

Gets you one of the brand new top of the line models

This is one of the boards we recommend often. Even for overclocking purposes, it's plenty. The 8 vcore power phases can handle at least 400A of power, which works out to about 500W. No AM5 processor uses nearly that much. Even with LN2 the most I see is about 300-350W. https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650M Pro RS/index.asp

[plucky timber]

they're for vibration prevention or whatever it's called

some acoustic thing

Noctua pays pretty good attention to detail when it comes to acoustics

[glacial umbra]

not looking too hot

dram light on with no post

I do NOT want to fix this rn man

[cyan ravine]

Many fan screws are like this, it's intentional

They add grooves to help thread them into plastic

I have tons of them, it's not an error lol

[glacial umbra]

oh yeah I did get them to work just felt wrong at first lol

forgot to mention

[glacial umbra]

im giving up on this no post build for tonight

[cyan ravine]

Reseat the ram

Try 1 stick

Each

[glacial umbra]

did that yeah

[cyan ravine]

If still nothing then rma the ram

You need to wait like 10 minutes each time tho

Cos all DDR5 platforms (AM5 especially) take their time training ram (When the light is orange)

[glacial umbra]

oh I didn't know that

only seen it red lmao

ill give that a try again tomorrow then thanks

[cyan ravine]

Alr

[rain carbon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zz8hKq
server build, anything yall would recommend changing without changing the general nature of it?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YgNkjn

Worth mentioning
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GnFWfd

[analog hearth]

This is much more ideal. I suggested to him the 5700G as an "entry-level" server platform. There's a lot of value in that, the way I look at it

Yeah not much to upgrade but super cheap and 8 cores with just a 65W TDP

[mossy venture]

Only a $60 diff for a newer platform and better resale/reusability tho

Better performance too, between multi core single core and gpu perf

Oh wait

I thought you were saying the 5700g was more ideal

My bad

Didn't actually look at what you replied to lmao

[analog hearth]

Fair lol. I didn’t look at the build you sent until you mentioned that it's only $60 more lolll

The 5700G list doesn't include the price of the case either (at least for me. That might just be my filters though)

I guess neither list the price for me

[mossy venture]

$480 vs 540 for me

You might have some merchants filtered off

[analog hearth]

yeah just Amazon for me

Personally I would go with this motherboard instead just for the two extra RAM slots
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LdHqqs/msi-pro-b650m-p-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b650m-p

[mossy venture]

Eh ddr5 doesn't like 4 sticks and worse vrms, but if he needs expandability ram wise maybe

[swift comet]

My Build list is almost Complete. Just waiting on the GPU & CPU https://newegg.io/60243eb

[mossy venture]

Thisd be my choice
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs

But no wifi

[rain carbon]

I do like your second list a bit more, and nah id rather upgrade to 2x32 versus 4x16 any day

[analog hearth]

Isn't that a Windows thing? If he's doing servers, he should be doing either Linux or Proxmox. I'd also say he doesn't have to use four sticks, but the availability is there

(I also don't know whether the "four sticks of DDR5" thing is just Windows or if it's a hardware thing, just kinda figured it's a Windows thing)

[analog hearth]

I was thinking 2x32 now and then double it later

[rain carbon]

Maybe maybe

Dunno if my internet would even keep up tho lol

100megabit

[analog hearth]

That's fine enough if you're hosting for only yourself

I was hosting a couple of Minecraft servers with 40 Mbps up

[rain carbon]

Maybe maybe

Id be doing more ark servers or valheim

Only one of each at a time

I def need to get new wifi anyway, its verizon home 5g

"Top of the line"

[analog hearth]

Definitely go with Ethernet when self hosting btw

[rain carbon]

When i move out for sure (im 18), this is mostly prospecting since my parents keep the router downstairs and wont let me touch it

[analog hearth]

L parents fr

[rain carbon]

Fr

Im curious

i5 8265U

16gb ram

Laptop that i own

Would that be able to host ark ascended?

The screen is broken and i dont use it for anything else

[rain carbon]

Replying so you can see i sent this

[analog hearth]

I wouldn't

isn't that a 4c/8t i5?

I wouldn't do less than 6 cores

idk what ark is like to host though

[rain carbon]

I might look into it a bit more

Might be enough for valheim tho

[analog hearth]

Beelink mini PCs also exist. There's a lot of good value in those

I have Proxmox on mine

[rain carbon]

Not really sure what my best options would be there

[rain carbon]

https://www.bee-link.com/products/beelink-eqr5?variant=46994723406066
Thoughts?

[analog hearth]

Yeah just make sure it'll let you upgrade the RAM. I recently got an EQi12 and I think it's basically their only model that doesn't let you upgrade the RAM 🫠

I was annoyed when I found that out

But yeah I would suggest that

[analog hearth]

yeah perfect

[mossy venture]

Nah its an IMC thing, mobo/cpu

[analog hearth]

oh gotcha

[glacial umbra]

back at it again

dram light on, no post:

• ram has been reseated
• tried one module at a time, in different slots
• reset cmos battery
• re-checked all cable connections

[dusky hearth]

possible faulty cpu or mobo?

[glacial umbra]

any easy way to check that?

oopsie

yeah the cpu light came on alongside it thats new

[cyan ravine]

You tried no ram ye

Reseat the cpu

[mossy venture]

Hear me out
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-96gb-ddr5-5200/p/N82E16820374537

If you went build yourself

[glacial umbra]

yeah no luck so far

might go return the ram and see if that's the issue

no bent pins or nothing on the cpu, light went off on its own before I reseated it

[cyan ravine]

No luck reseating cpu then yeah start returning stuff @glacial umbra

Something's not playing nice

Board, cpu, ram

One of those three

If not a bad cable/device plugged into it

[rain carbon]

Im curious why id need that much ram, i wouldnt do any intensive server hosting

Just some small stuff for a small pack of friends

[mossy venture]

You need at least 64gb to run a vanilla minecraft server smh

[mossy venture]

Out of curiosity, do you need to use port forwarding to do this?

Or could I do that with a secondary pc i have

[mossy venture]

Couldn't be psu?

[cyan ravine]

For just switching on, not impossible

Extremely unlikely tho

[mossy venture]

Paperclip test time

[weary galleon]

Typically yes, you need port forwarding to run a server
There's this as a possible alternative though

https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/1dj5k3t/lodestone_selfhost_minecraft_server_without_port/

[dusky hearth]

You don't need to port forward if you have a tunneling service

E.g. TCP shield or playit gg

[weary galleon]

There are also fabric mods that let you use the "open to LAN" function with people not actually on your network

But you have to have the game running

[dusky hearth]

Both have a free version

TCP shield has better uptime but is more expensive if you want more of the features

[mossy venture]

I use essential for this, but was just curious if I had other options potentially for other games

Ty for the info guys

[teal dome]

yo

i have a question

[winged prawn]

Is there anyway I can download windows11 without wiping my drive

[teal dome]

shouldnt ur drive already have windows?

[winged prawn]

It has windows 10

[teal dome]

just upgrade, it doenst wipe ur files

[winged prawn]

But it can’t update to windows 11

Without WiFi

That’s the problem

My mobo doesn’t support wifi features for windows 10 so I have to update to 11

But I don’t want to wipe my drive to do that

[mossy venture]

Wsp

[teal dome]

update using ethernet maybe?

[teal dome]

so my friend wants a pc build, and they dont game as much. what do u suggest?

[mossy venture]

Budget?

[teal dome]

1000 with monitor kb and m

we dont mind getting refurb monitors off ebay

[mossy venture]

Hmm

Would they rather cpu performance and ease of upgradability, or gpu performance and a nicer monitor

[teal dome]

honeslty easier upgradabitlity would be nice since they dont game, we dont need to get a crazy gpu

[mossy venture]

Also wifi or wired

[teal dome]

wifi

[mossy venture]

Could throw a better psu in there, this is somewhat B tier ish
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VVmGnp

[winged prawn]

This the last time I buy gigabyte, not only does windows 10 not work, they didn’t include a Ethernet cable

[teal dome]

u gotta buy ur own ethernet cable lol, it should work tho

[mossy venture]

7600 won't play well with 1440p in a fair number of games, but if they can afford a decent 1440p monitor, it will be much nicer for whenever they upgrade

[mossy venture]

No mobo does...?

[winged prawn]

Really my msi mobo did 😔

That was 5 years ago but yeah

[mossy venture]

My msi asrock and gigabyte boards all haven't

[teal dome]

5 years ago companies werent as greedy ig

[mossy venture]

This is referring to the gpu

Not the cpu

7500f is also a thing

Or a used gpu

[teal dome]

yeah its fine, they wanted the pc for school work and browsing internet, as long as it runs videos well for streaming

[mossy venture]

Oh this is insanely overkill for that lol

A decent 7000/8000 series laptop would probably be the move imo

Then they also have a great device for school, and save a good chunk of money

[teal dome]

true, i can suggest them that, ill let you know what they say

[mossy venture]

Alr, the decent ones start somewhere around 325-375 for reference

[teal dome]

i asked them, they said they have a laptop already 💀

if we do decide to go ahead build a pc, the monitor is tech deals is fine?

[mossy venture]

Yeah

[wheat zealot]

whats your budget?

[teal dome]

for?

[wheat zealot]

The pc?

[glacial umbra]

returned the ram, same issue

I don't wanna have to take it apart 😭

[teal dome]

1k but i got a build list already

[wheat zealot]

oh alright, what did you go with?

[teal dome]

7600,7600

[wheat zealot]

For a 1k build?

[teal dome]

with kb, m and monitor

[wheat zealot]

Ohhh I see

[cyan ravine]

Cpu next

After that mobo

After that psu

If you're adverse to this process take the whole pc into one of your stores and claim warranty on it

In accordance to whatever you bought that has to do with them

Odds are they'll figure out the issue

And then you return the correct item

[glacial umbra]

ram was the issue 🙏

it took about 45m to an hour of me leaving it on but it posted 🙏

[cyan ravine]

Wtf

An hour??

[glacial umbra]

I wasn't exactly keeping track of the time but it was at least 30m

[cyan ravine]

10 minutes should be the longest

That sounds sus

[wheat zealot]

First boot always takes longer no?

[glacial umbra]

cpu light is still on 😨

[cyan ravine]

Not an hour

[glacial umbra]

at least it posted though I'll take it

lemme see what's up

[cyan ravine]

[cyan ravine]

You're gonna hate me, but save your settings and try posting again

If you take another hour something is genuinely wrong

I'd suspect faulty cpu die

[wheat zealot]

oh an hour?

[cyan ravine]

Yeah an hour is way too long

My 7950X3D was in the process of dying when it was posting after an hour

Normal is under 10 minutes

And usually only first post

[glacial umbra]

gotcha ill give it a whirl

[wheat zealot]

what kind of system do you have now?

[cyan ravine]

Well I got refunded the full price of that cpu so now I'm on a 9800X3D

[glacial umbra]

locked in

thanks for your help i appreciate it

[cyan ravine]

It just happened to die days before 9800X3D released

[glacial umbra]

glad it was just the RAM being wonky

[cyan ravine]

It's posting fine now?

[glacial umbra]

yeah no issues at all

[wheat zealot]

dang haha, how long did you have it for?

[cyan ravine]

....odd

Keep an eye on it

[wheat zealot]

do you still have both sticks in?

[cyan ravine]

2 years

[glacial umbra]

yeah i went and got a new kit

[glacial umbra]

will do yeah

[cyan ravine]

I was lucky and got a new chip from a cancelled preorder

I landed an msrp one

Basically free upgrade lmao

[glacial umbra]

idle temps and voltage are fine so far

[wheat zealot]

Oh gotcha, I had the same issue with my system. It wouldn’t post at all until I took out a ram stick & so I thought the other one was defective but like 3 weeks later I put it back in & it started working perfectly.

[glacial umbra]

ill run a benchmark once i get windows installed

[glacial umbra]

yeah thats weird glad it ended up working out for you 💪

[cyan ravine]

Just keep an eye on things. If you find games crash, fps low, or failed installs, blue screens

Rma the cpu

It sounds sus

[wheat zealot]

Yeah that’s sick & considering the 9800x3d is the best cpu now.

[wheat zealot]

Thanks haha, I think I might have shorted it or something for a brief time. not 100% sure though.

[cyan ravine]

AM5 does some weird ass stuff

I've become so wary of it 💀

[proper night]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ThelVadam4321/saved/QRpqbv

I've recently become aware that using additional PCIe periferials can cut into your GPU's available bandwidth. Will this configuration have that problem with the wifi card impacting GPU performance?

[stoic island]

Not here, the x1 slots run off chipset lanes, there's no lane splitting required here

It's rarely ever an issue, it only shows up on most boards where you're trying to use 2 x16 devices

[mossy venture]

580 also doesn't need the full pcie 3.0 x16

[stoic island]

Yea it'll also be just fine with 3.0 x8

[mossy venture]

12400f has 20 lanes and mobo has 4, so currently there's 4 unused

[potent portal]

Some boards with tons of M.2 slots can steal lanes from the primary GPU but that is not one of them

[stoic island]

And that's usually only sharing lanes with one of the secondary pcie slots, not your main x16 slot

[potent portal]

Usually yes but not always

[stoic island]

Yea, I don't know any popular consumer boards that do that, it's not a problem for most people

[potent portal]

It's mostly a problem on boards with like 8 M.2 slots

[proper night]

Oh, wait. The actual card I'm using is an RTX 2060. I left the 580 on the list by mistake

[stoic island]

2060 doesn't need it either

[potent portal]

Same deal

[proper night]

Cool

[stoic island]

Need more than a 3090 to see a difference

[potent portal]

Specifically more than a 3090 on PCIe 3.0

[dusky hearth]

Time to buy threadripper for more PCIe lanes

[potent portal]

Here's an example, this is the MSI Z790 Godlike Max which has 7x M.2 slots

[plucky timber]

X299

[iron dragon]

anyone know any good laptops i want one for school and wanna play cs2 but dont need nothing crazy can anyone help

also don’t know if it matters but im in the military and csn get a discount for some places

just need a little help

[stable cove]

It’s just if I switch out my pc parts I may have to switch out many including the power supply due to lack of compatibility

At that point might as well wait until you have money for a new computer

[potent portal]

The only things that you need to worry about for compatibility are the motherboard, RAM, and CPU

Pretty much everything is standardized

[manic cloak]

https://a.co/d/jflpDLS I got this a few weeks ago for about 126$ for a 2nd monitor but the lenovo one in #tech-deals is just an extra 10$

should I return it?

[shut rampart]

@cyan ravine I got my new cables in and I plugin it in and everything and its still crashing my whole pc do you think its a psu problem or bad cables again

[dusky hearth]

afaik it runs on anything with a gpu pretty much

what are you studying? do you need to do CAD or such

[dusty coyote]

Can someone please tell me what the heck I’m supposed to do with these? Lol

[obsidian wigeon]

Read da manual

If there's any

[potent portal]

Those will be to hold down your M.2 drive, the manual will explain with pictures how to do it

[dusty coyote]

It’s a brand new board so I have all the papers and manuals that came with it and it’s nowhere lol

[potent portal]

Looks like they just rotate to me

[manic cloak]

What motherboard is it?

But I’ve never seen like “tabs” for m.2s before

Oh wait

[dusty coyote]

It’s the gigabyte B650 Eagle AX

[manic cloak]

No I think they’re detachable, it looks like it pops up, slide the m.2 in, then clamp it down instead of screwing into the standoff

[dusty coyote]

That’s what I thought too but I can’t get them to pop loose and I’m starting to get scared of breaking it lol

[manic cloak]

Kinda like a button/lego almost

[dusty coyote]

Yeah I’m not sure

[potent portal]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650-EAGLE-AX/support#support-manual

So it's just like a peg that holds it down is all

[dusty coyote]

Yeah even the manual in that link doesn’t show it. Or wait did I look in the wrong spot?

[potent portal]

No pictures for this one but I did screenshot the steps

Page 25

Under "M2P_CPU/M2C_SB"

[dusty coyote]

Would you mind sending the screenshot? For some reason when I pull up the manual it only pulls up like 10 pages

[potent portal]

It's right here

[manic cloak]

There’s different types of manuals on the page but I’m even having a hard time finding it lol

Probably cause mobile?

[dusty coyote]

Maybe

[potent portal]

You probably pulled up the bios setup guide by accident

[manic cloak]

It’s mobile issue

The download for the actual manual doesn’t appear on the phone

[potent portal]

Oh weird

[dusty coyote]

Yeah that’s really strange I can’t find it at all.

[potent portal]

Copy paste version of the steps then

Pull the clip's tab up and out of the mounting hole. Slide the M.2 SSD into the connector at an angle. Press
down on the front end of the M.2 SSD and then secure it by pressing the clip's tab into the mounting hole.

[dusty coyote]

So weird. I can’t get them to pull up lollll

I think if I put anymore pressure, it going to yank it out of the board lolll

[obsidian wigeon]

Weird as hell contraptions

I'd understand if it was pulling up

[manic cloak]

@dusty coyote there should be an upper gen 5 slot if i'm not wrong

or is that filled?

[dusty coyote]

Yeah it’s filled already. My second M.2 is just an extra 1TB to add to it

[manic cloak]

ya your going have to yank on the plastic

thing is

the video i'm watching his doesn't include those tabs

so don't try pulling the tab but the head of the plastic piece that holds down the m.2

even wiggling it a little bit can help out

[potent portal]

Oh when you're installing the secondary drive make sure to use the lowest slot so you don't share lanes between the 2 drives

That would kill your speed

[dusty coyote]

Thank you guys for helping me to the best of your ability I greatly greatly appreciate it!

[shrewd gale]

So, the fans that are already in the case, can I replace them for the ones I order?

[dusky hearth]

yews

ys

yes

[analog hearth]

yews

yews is crazy

[shrewd gale]

Hm, getting lucky every day, 7900 XTX prize just got up and same for the ryzen 7 9800X3D

[potent portal]

9800X3D is still having supply problems from extreme demand, it's mostly scalpers that are selling it on Amazon at this point

XTX happened to beat the 5080 in some games (pathetic showing) so it was a backup option for a lot of people that were hoping to get one of those

[shrewd gale]

Shoot, well, I can backorder from canada computer (hope it allowed to say this) and for the ryzen 7, I will buy the one that for less, I still got a lost of sapce in my budget

HopeI am not wrong for the backorder

[potent portal]

Backordering is fine, just keep in mind it can be a few months before it's fulfilled

[shrewd gale]

Hm, or pay 1700 dollars on amazon for it

[dusky hearth]

you can talk about any retailer here

you're just not allowed to buy/sell/trade with other members

(in the server specifically, dms is fine)

[potent portal]

Yeah we're all about deals wherever they might be found

[shrewd gale]

Right

Hm

[dusky hearth]

not newegg employees, so no sales quotas to meet here

[shrewd gale]

I can buy the processor, but the graphic card 1200 to 1700. It kind of a big jump

[dusky hearth]

parts in canada just tend to be more expensive

[shrewd gale]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/gCBG3C/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx7900xtx-pg-24go

[potent portal]

Alternative option is waiting until March when things start to settle down, and the 9070 XT launches then too

[shrewd gale]

Was suppost to be that, but I could find a alternative

[shrewd gale]

.

[shrewd gale]

So, I am suppost to wait 1 month with all the other stuff I got except the graphic card...

[potent portal]

Or drop down a tier on the GPU, it probably won't make that much difference unless you're doing 4k gaming

[shrewd gale]

I am on 4k

Hm

[potent portal]

In which case a 7900 XT would still do fine, especially if you use FSR to render in 1440p and upscale to 4k

Also you can drop down a tier on the CPU since most of the load will be on the GPU

[shrewd gale]

huh

Kind of to late

[potent portal]

It is what it is then

[shrewd gale]

Yes, I am lucky....

(joke)

Alright , need to find a solution

It think I will backorder the 7900XTX

I will just wait

[mossy venture]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/RRfnTW/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-11322-02-20g

$1220

[rain carbon]

And its a good card, even among the xtx line which are pretty much all solid

[potent portal]

If you click through the links it's out of stock, on backorder

Vuugo has it at a LEET price (1337)

[shrewd gale]

Perfect

[mossy venture]

Oh oof

[mossy venture]

Thought he was buying this one

[potent portal]

Back ordering it more like

But yes afaik

Also the price was higher than pcpp reported for the pulse

We can effectively watch the GPU prices rise in real time

[shut rampart]

hmm I think I need a new psu

[marble delta]

question with this case if they announce 50 series Ti, will it be supportive like will it fit like the 5070ti for example?

[potent portal]

That's a lot of "ifs" but I can say that case doesn't include a GPU support bracket but it would be easy to put one in
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/montech-xr/10.html

[dusty coyote]

Hey guys! I finally got things going! Now I’m running into one final issue that I can’t remember how I used to fix. The M.2. SSD that was being used in the other PC can’t be read by this new motherboard. The motherboard is that same Gugabyte B650 Eagle AX. It reads the new 1TB SSD that I’m adding to it but it won’t read the old SSD with the boot drive on it and all of my buddy’s games and stuff.

[potent portal]

Was the old drive on an Intel system by chance?

[stoic island]

What exactly is the old SSD you're using, and which slot are you putting it in?

[winged prawn]

I fixed the problem

I dragged my Ethernet and wifi router across my hosue

And am now downloading windows 11 so I can use wifi

[dusky hearth]

my msi mobo didnt include an ethernet cable either 5 years ago 🧐
(i was looking at what the issue was and saw this lmao)

also i feel like it would have been easier to move your pc to the router to do the driver installations
though that also depends on how far away it is

[dusty coyote]

Actually yes, it was used on an Intel board prior but since then, it was used on an AM4 board, and now I’m trying to use it on AM5. It’s not a typical brand you would see. I think it’s called TellTech or something. I’ll have to look when I get back. I just left the house for a bit.

[potent portal]

Ah so what probably happened was that drive was installed under Intel Rapid Storage Technology, which requires not just a special driver but also BIOS level support. You'll need to backup the data using the original PC it was in and wipe it to reuse it. (wipe with diskpart clean)

[wild oxide]

any improvements? (ps: it is 1800 but i can get it for 1600 because of a deal in microcenter)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NjHNgn

[potent portal]

Not corsair to start with

Unless that's part of the bundle and you can't change it

Becuase that memory in particular is pretty bad

Also you very likely don't need to spend extra for an X670E board. A $150 B650 board would be more than enough for 98% of users, just make sure it has flashback. (again, unless that's part of the bundle)

[dusty coyote]

Oof! The old PC kind of gave up on life so that’s the main reason I built this new one lol oh well. Maybe if I can get into it with my new SSD, I can fix it with disk part like you said and he’ll still have the extra 500 gigs

[potent portal]

The good news is it's easy to wipe a drive. The bad news is you likely won't be able to pull the data off of it first, not without an Intel system of the same platform at least.

[dusty coyote]

Yeah it shouldn’t be a big deal since it’s my buddy’s pc. He has WiFi that he can basically redownload everything in an hour. My WiFi, it takes me a week lol

By the way thank you so much for all your help and being so quick to jump in and help. I seriously appreciate it!

[potent portal]

No trouble at all

Once you pop the drive into the new system you can load the Windows installer and press shift+F10 after selecting language etc. Then enter:
diskpart
list disk [take note of which drive you're targeting, you should be able to tell by size, call it disk X]
select disk X
clean
exit

Then the drive should show up in the regular installation steps later as a target for installation

[silent olive]

Just took my before pics with all my parts on the desk. I look forward to sharing the completed before and after

[fair raven]

hi team, is this green wire important? I understand it to be a grounding wire?

the manual didn't say anything as far as I can tell.

[stoic island]

What part did that come with?

[fair raven]

Psu

This is the wall to psu plug

[dusty coyote]

So what do I do if it doesn’t even show that M.2 on disk part? Lol

[stoic island]

There's a chance it's meant to be a grounding wire but what PSU is it?

[fair raven]

enermax revolution df2

[cyan ravine]

That'll be a ground you attach to something

So a metal pole

Or ideally a water pipe (rare)

[cyan ravine]

Two possibilities, the m.2 isn't detected in bios because the slot isn't configured correctly, or the ssd simply isn't readable

The latter can be a fault either by slot, ssd, or power

Bios is where you'd change the slot configuration but you should only need to do that I would think if it's a sata m.2

So I'd try reseating the ssd

[stoic island]

Does it not come with a normal 3 pronged kettle lead? seems weird that it would make you ground it yourself

[fair raven]

It doesn't yeah

I might message and see if I can get a replacement wire or something.

[cyan ravine]

You can often buy 3 pronged ones from electronic stores

[stoic island]

What country are you in?

[cyan ravine]

Food for thought

Those are just kettle cables really

I forget what the spec is officially called

[stoic island]

iec something

[cyan ravine]

Iec c13 to us plug

[stoic island]

but I'm wondering if there's some standard out there for the power outlet to need a separate cable for ground

[cyan ravine]

That's the one

It's c13

[fair raven]

Does it matter between PSUs? I still have the one from my fried one lmao but idk if that's a great idea

[fair raven]

us

[cyan ravine]

It doesn't

They're standardised for a reason

C13 is famously called "Kettle lead"

Lol

[stoic island]

yea the spec determines every dimension, if it meets spec, it has to fit

[dusty coyote]

Yeah I tried it all. I was speaking to the other person about it earlier. I think it’s just not compatible with the motherboard

[fair raven]

So it'd be safe to use my other one? I don't wanna scuff anything up with the new psu in case the issue could've been in the wires, idrk what it does

[cyan ravine]

Which m.2 is it

And what motherboard (and slot)

[stoic island]

I'm not aware of any reason why another kettle lead wouldn't work here

[dusty coyote]

The brand is TIMETEC

[stoic island]

Which model

[cyan ravine]

Did it look like which one

Note the right side

The gold fingers

[dusty coyote]

The right one is a closer resemblance

[stoic island]

Then it's likely b+m keyed, so a sata ssd, try using the M2C_SB slot, that's the only listed m.2 slot on the b650 eagle ax that supports sata

[cyan ravine]

So it'd be a sata nvme

Yeah

[stoic island]

wait

I misread it, none of them support sata

[stoic island]

Can you take it out and double check if it is keyed like that, where it has 2 notches? If possible, can you also find what model it is? It's usually written on the sticker

[cyan ravine]

Yeah agree

[fair raven]

Just because I'm a little bit anxious. If the connectors are the same, any kettle lead itself would be good to use? including the one from my psu that died (different brands?)

There's no issues with different power draws or anything like that?

Just trying to make sure I understand before I jump down and fix it lol

[cyan ravine]

Yes

Yes

[dusty coyote]

Oh shoot I didn’t even realize that’s what he was asking about the pins themselves. Yeah give me one minute and I’ll take it out and see

[cyan ravine]

It's a standard cable

[fair raven]

Okay, thank you.

[cyan ravine]

You can use even an old tv one

It's standard like that

[stoic island]

It will have no problem unless the cable is physically damaged or anything of that sort

[cyan ravine]

PREFERABLY you'd want the one in the box, but the kettle leads are pretty robust

Yeah

Even the cheap ones from your local hardware should be fine

As long as it has a ground pin

[fair raven]

yeah. my main concern I guess is just causing issues with my new psu cause my old one was like actually fried.

[stoic island]

it's a thick cable, I think the standard is like 14awg?

[cyan ravine]

18

[shrewd gale]

So, I backorder the 7900XTX and order the processor

[stoic island]

wait is it just 18awg?

[cyan ravine]

But more than enough

Yeah

18 is normal lol

[cyan ravine]

Nice

[stoic island]

Actually yea it makes sense, it's a current rating

[cyan ravine]

I seen 9800x3d came back

Congrats beebir

[dusty coyote]

Yes yes yes it is a Sata M.2

[shrewd gale]

Thanks, also got a new monitor and got everything today execpt graphic card

[stoic island]

Unfortunately you won't be able to directly use that on the b650 eagle ax, you'll need some way to convert it to use one of the dedicated SATA ports

[cyan ravine]

Rip

Msata

[shrewd gale]

Starting to look great execpt pc

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[dusty coyote]

Gotcha!! Thank you that makes so much sense. I forgot to even look at the pin difference

[cyan ravine]

It's an honest mistake

You should be able to fix this with an adapter

A sata iii adapter, usb enclosure for msata, or an NGFF adapter might do it

Or if you haven't used it yet

[stoic island]

You should be able to get like a 2.5in enclosure that converts sata to m.2 and be able to mount it in your case

[cyan ravine]

Return for another

Lol

[stoic island]

I think it's their old ssd?

[cyan ravine]

It could be

They still sell msata

Lmao

[stoic island]

something of this sort, can't vouch for quality but this would be what you're looking for
https://www.amazon.com/NFHK-Socket-Adapter-Black-Metal/dp/B09F5GK4MG

you don't have to get 2.5in, it's just that most cases still support mounting 2.5in drives so you don't have to have it dangling somewhere

[cyan ravine]

Some pcie cards also support msata

The key is msata, it needs to read that

Otherwise return for a new one/swap around with another in old pc*

[stoic island]

The ssd looks like standard m.2 b+m keyed, should just need something that does b key

[winged prawn]

I connected to Ethernet and everything downloaded

It won’t allow me to download mediatek

Which is needed for wifi 7

Only Realtek