building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

Click the below option

Go to any errors in the last couple weeks

Send me the details

The nature of the crash is like a clue, it'll give me a good idea where to start

[cyan ravine]

Excellent!

Ok this is easy'

This may in fact be your psu

Do me a favour lad

Are you able to open your pc up

What I want you to do is change the gpu and cpu power cables around

New ones from the psu box preferred

If you are short, just run the bare minimum and daisy chain the gpu

Then make sure all the cables are fully plugged in

Try watching for the problem again (If you know how to trip it then try doing that for a while)

"Windows not properly shut down" is live kernel 141

This error pertains to windows shutting down from poor power

While you're there, reseat your ram

Make sure you put it in slots A2 and B2

(2nd and 4th from the CPU)

[fair raven]

I was gonna reseat my ram last night but I'd have to pull my gpu out to do it cause it's in the way unfortunately D:

[cyan ravine]

That's fine

We got time lad

These issues look somewhat straight forward

I'll be in and out today but there are plenty of people who can pick up where I leave off

No sweat

I'm particularly good at diagnosing power lately

I've had a lot of power issues in the past

[fair raven]

I'm gonna be completely honest, I have no idea what a lot of that means with the cable work haha. I won't be around to work on it for a little bit too.

I don't know exactly what trips it. Some awesome very helpful people in here mentioned it might not be the psu because if it was the protections failing, I might have to flip the psu switch on the back to reboot? Could it just be that I'm not getting enough power from the psu and that might be why I'm not having to flip the psu switch?

[cyan ravine]

Yes so what I suspect is a 2 pronged situation

Your ram not running full speed may be the ram not seated properly

But could also be just power

The psu comes with power cables, as well as extras

My suggestion is to swap to the extras

[fair raven]

Ohh I see

[cyan ravine]

Some cables can just be bad out of the box, have a lot of, for layman words, resistance

Too much resistance

The pc won't get enough power

The way it likes

So it detects that

Something called undervolt protection

UVP

And it shuts down and reboots

Randomly

Right?

That's what I suspect rn is the extent of the issue

[fair raven]

hmmm

Let me go look around for my psu stuff rq

[cyan ravine]

These things can also be caused by bad cables plugged in to the pc as well

But we will start with the easier steps

No stress

PC's are very complex, they like everything in a certain range to work in what's considered "Stable"

So poor power, it can lead to bad pc performance and lost windows, all sorts of madness

So the psu shuts off to prevent that

Trying really hard to keep this pretty simple lol

Your ram issues can also be potentially linked to this

But we will take the steps to reseat anyway, just to be sure

[fair raven]

Okay. I will have to do a lot of this stuff later cause I'm about to have to do some stuff irl. But I really appreciate the leads/reassurance because I've seen similar issues and its like oh it's the cpu, or its the gpu, or its the mobo and idk it's just such a pain in the butt. I'll let you know what I find

And also, just I guess worst case if I do have to replace the psu. Do you think the enermax revolution df2 would be suitable/modern enough for this build?

[cyan ravine]

I think both psus are fine but it's just a case of isolating the bad power link

[cyan ravine]

Yeah a lot of people get really confused with power, it's a hard topic to diagnose

Myself included but my recent experiences have taught me a lot

[fair raven]

yeah :/ The fact alone I wasn't getting any error codes or bsods kinda left me in the dirt and I had to google so much lmao.

[cyan ravine]

I've had dozens of these errors over the last couple years

I came out the other end a master of it LOL

[fair raven]

LOL

[cyan ravine]

They can be annoying af if you can't find it in the first few steps

But rest assured it's some power cable

Somewhere

USB

Display

PSU

Something with a cable

Lol

[fair raven]

The thing too that's so frustrating is it happened after like 1.5 years lmao and just RANDOMLY. I'll open it up in a little bit when I'm able to. I looked in my psu box and I don't know if I have any spares actually but I can at the very least make sure everything is plugged in correctly. I don't know what I did with the cables if I had any extra because everything else is in the psu box.

[cyan ravine]

Ye it's random

I've had this myself

So you'd want at least 1 spare EPS/CPU and 1 or 2 spare PCIE/GPU cables

if 1 GPU cable, 1 with 2 plugs

Brb

[fair raven]

It'd have to be from the same psu right? As in, from the same box?

I might be out of luck :/

Also kind of semi-related, but what's the difference between these?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

Different connector cables

Do you not have spare cables in the box?

[fair raven]

I don't. I don't know if I misplaced them or put them in another box lol

I kept all my old boxes tho

[cyan ravine]

Wow ok

Can you send a pic of the cables plugged into the gpu

[fair raven]

I can shortly. I'm having to get ready to leave for some irl commitments. I'll try to get a picture before I have to leave

[cyan ravine]

All good

We can reconvene later

[fair raven]

Thank you for the help, genuinely

[cyan ravine]

Or someone else can help you if I'm not here

It's fine lad

Just remember to explain to them "Felix said power and cable problem"

[manic cloak]

Late reply but the left was for mobo, right was for psu

[fair raven]

HAHA okayokay thank you.

Also just because my brain is like very much try to understand everything. Does it matter which between those 2 psus? like 850w vs 850w pcie5? Is it just like an additional feature?

[cyan ravine]

It's just a different plug basically

[dusky hearth]

ther 5 is for the new gpu power plug

you know, the one that goes up in flames when not plugged in all the way

the one that nvidia first included in the 30 series

(but everybody still continued to use the old style)

[forest lava]

Quick question: Is it bad to have my RAM freq set to 6000 on a 7600x?

Or should I pull it down to 5200

[plucky timber]

Ryzen prefers 6000 iirc

[cyan ravine]

Use whatever your xmp is

Lol

[marsh kiln]

Ahh ok thank you, just figured I'd ask encase I wanted to do that

[shut rampart]

@cyan ravine I think the psu cable work and doesn't crash my pc but I would like white cable anywhere I can buy some or can I just rma these cable

[cyan ravine]

If you can return/warranty the cables then do that

If not then ezdiy fab or asiahorse 16awg are good

[shut rampart]

but the brand is asianhorse ...

the one that had issues..

[cyan ravine]

I mean I can't say they have a perfect track record

Can't for any brand tbh

If you're adverse to asiahorse then ezdiyfab

[shut rampart]

what about rgb gpu and mobo

where can i get that

[cyan ravine]

? Wym

[shut rampart]

rgb cable

[cyan ravine]

I'll be honest, haven't really got a genuine suggestion for those

Reason being is the rgb ones tend to be the ones with problems in my experience

Regardless of brand

[shut rampart]

oki i will rma the white cable

[potent portal]

RGB cables have higher failure rates because the RGB adds heat to the cable

[gentle pollen]

So long as your chip can handle it the higher the better. Ryzen 7000 lineup usually can handle 6000c32 without tuning

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-gif-20035980

[forest lava]

My stick is 6000mhz cl30, but I saw options to change the timings and to oc the ram frequency by quite a lot. Any real danger of going higher than 6000?

[weary galleon]

6000 cl30 is already fine, personally I wouldn't bother taking the time to tune it

[gentle pollen]

No danger. Just crashes or blue screens which can be fixed by reducing the speed back

[gentle pollen]

A easy thing you can do is just up the frequency itself and see if you have issues. 6200 is uncommon but doable, 6400 is rare and for some can be a pain in the ass to stablize

6600 would be a golden chip imo

[mossy venture]

you can corrupt windows

or kill ram with unsafe voltages

[gentle pollen]

That as well. I assume he's just going to try bumping the freq

[gentle pollen]

Very rare but also true

[dusky hearth]

it's not rare if ram instability crashes your system

crashes caused by ram instability is one of the easiest ways to corrupt your windows install

ask how i know

[flint sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-ping-discord-ping-pings-mass-ping-gif-2196332929166408226

[analog hearth]

@manic cloak that's not the place for tech help bro

[manic cloak]

?

[analog hearth]

that's not the place for tech help bro

I said that clear, did I not?

[manic cloak]

What are you referring to exactly

[analog hearth]

#build-pics is for showing off your build

Help my friend build a new setup (upgraded from a 3200G, no gpu 😱)

[manic cloak]

My english isn’t the greatest

[analog hearth]

ohhhh I see

my bad

[manic cloak]

But it’s supposed to be helped

Mb

[analog hearth]

Yeah gotcha

my bad lol I should've read it the other way first

[manic cloak]

All good 😭

[little osprey]

What is the best gaming chair you guys would recommend under $200

[dusky hearth]

go to your local office supply store and sit on all their chairs and find which feels the most comfortable for your budget

also look online for similar style chairs to see if there's a cheaper version, and check the reviews as well for durability

[little osprey]

yeah cause ik Office Depot sells them for way too expensive

[runic cedar]

What info has to be put onto a PSU and what do they mean?

[analog hearth]

There's also this video:
https://youtu.be/JaIRzDXETNM?si=WRMzCNqAI2ECdOUP

[runic cedar]

I didnt know, thank you sm

[analog hearth]

👍

From my Ollama instance:

Key Information on a Computer Power Supply:

• Voltage Input/Output: The power supply's input voltage (e.g., 110V or 230V AC) and output voltages (e.g., +3.3V, +5V, +12V).

• Rating: The maximum wattage (power) that the power supply is designed to handle.

• Connectors:
  * ATX connector for motherboard
  * EPS connector for high-power components
  * SATA and PCIe connectors for peripherals and expansion cards

• Efficiency: A rating of how efficiently the power supply converts AC power to DC power, measured in % (e.g., 80 PLUS Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum).

(This is at least the important stuff)

I also suggest the PSU tier list:
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[little osprey]

Alright I'm left with these two options for a gaming char:

GTPLAYER Gaming Chair

or the

Respawn RSP-110 Gaming Chair

unless ya'll have any better options

[analog hearth]

Your ass will get sweaty with those. Find a Herman Miller dupe

(aka something that's mesh and has good reviews)

Source: me, somebody with a "gaming chair"

[dusky hearth]

almost been 2 years since the last update 😔

[analog hearth]

yeah I wish they'd update it

like wtf why are they taking so long

Here I am using PSUs from 2022 because that's what's listed. The PSUs listed are getting hard to find

[dusky hearth]

i guess i was being too vague but don't buy "gaming chairs"

if you sit at your desk for more than like 2 hours at a time, get a proper office chair

[little osprey]

I was told that

then again I do like this lean back and the leg rest features

[analog hearth]

Yeah there are mesh chairs that have that

[dusky hearth]

that isnt a gaming chair specific feature...

💀

[little osprey]

I just aint never seen an office chair with those two things

except for leaning back

that I have seen

[dusky hearth]

mine does have the option of a leg rest though i didnt buy it, though it's also out of your budget

[little osprey]

how much are we talking

https://www.amazon.com/Ergonomic-Breathable-Retractable-Six-Position-Adjustable/dp/B0DN1D63GK?sr=8-11

ooo what about this one 👀

[analog hearth]

I don't trust those generic Amazon brands

Anything that doesn't have the brand name as the first thing in the listing's title, I don't trust it

"Ergonomic Office Chair" being the first thing, coming from the "marrap Store". I'd trust it if it said "marrap Ergonomic Office Chair"

(learned this the hard way with a couple of items btw)

I personally would just google "reddit best herman miller alternative" and see what Reddit says. They would know; they have a whole subreddit for vacuums

[dusky hearth]

fakespot rates it a "B" from the reviews so it's probably decent (their scale goes from A-F)

(it uses machine learning to filter out reviews and ratings)

[little osprey]

is that so

[dusky hearth]

(by mozilla)

https://www.fakespot.com/product/ergonomic-office-chair-breathable-mesh-chair-with-adaptive-lumbar-support-3d-headrest-armrests-retractable-footrest-and-a-six-position-adjustable-backrest-office-desk-chair-black

[little osprey]

interesting

[analog hearth]

You can probably also find some used Herman Miller chairs that typically go for ~$1500-$2000 for like $50 if you're lucky and find a seller who doesn't know what they have

Or a university surplus seller, etc.

Highly recommend that if you can find some sources near you

[little osprey]

@analog hearth well then what's wrong with this

[dusky hearth]

finding surplus of herman miller requires you to live in a more commercial area, or be kinda close to it, and you also just have to be lucky enough to be looking when they are clearing out their old chairs

[dusky hearth]

do note that it's a "guess" by AI (from the data in the amazon reviews), so you should still do further research if there are other reviews by humans on like reddit or youtube or smth like that

[analog hearth]

Somebody suggested this
https://www.staples.com/union-scale-flexfit-dexley-ergonomic-mesh-swivel-task-chair-blue-un59375/product_24442486

No foot reclining though

[little osprey]

I'm not hacking, it's just a good gaming chair

now how do I dispose of my current gaming chair

[dusky hearth]

put it out on the street to see if anybody wants it, if not, then you'll have to bring it to a landfill or such

or you could try to sell it for like $10

[analog hearth]

Put it on the curb and post "free chair at [insert address]" on your neighborhood's Facebook community your Nextdoor page

[dusky hearth]

or actually

don't put "free"
put "$10" and somebody will steal it

[analog hearth]

Yeah I was about to edit my message to say that

Either somebody "steals" it or somebody is stupid enough to actually give you $10 💀

[dusky hearth]

lmao i remember somebody saying that they had like a free couch or smth outside, covered, with a sign that said free and nobody took it, and then they changed it to like $30 and someone stole it the same day

i forget what it was

was it a couch

[little osprey]

i might just go ahead and get this ngl

what about a pawn shop

I can sell my chair there

[analog hearth]

yeah

probably

Or Goodwill idk

just to get rid of it

[little osprey]

need some help im gonna buy the new intel arc b580 my friend told me i should get the ryzen 5 5600x3d for my cpu i was gonna buy the 5600x what would be better?

get the 5800x3D

[mossy venture]

Do you already own any parts?

If you dont, I'd try not to go am4, theres ways to fit in newer parts to allow for better upgradability/performance

And what's your budget for everything you don't own?

[little osprey]

my mobo is am4 only i think

[mossy venture]

What mobo?

[little osprey]

.......homie you suggested an AM4 for me tho

[mossy venture]

The 8400f recently came out

[little osprey]

wut that

[mossy venture]

And am4 can be a good idea, if there's no other option. Its not obsolete

[little osprey]

asus rog strix bf450 gaming

[mossy venture]

The 8400f about matches the 5600 in games

[mossy venture]

Do you have a microcenter nearby? I'd go for the 5600x3d or 5700x3d

5600x3d is microcenter exclusive though

[little osprey]

thats the thing the microcenter near me dont have em

all sold out

[dusky hearth]

depends on your budget

[mossy venture]

Opinions on aliexpress, as long as seller is reputable?

[little osprey]

never used aliexpress tbh

[dusky hearth]

i think a better wording for that question is "are you fine with buying on aliexpress from a reputable seller?"

[little osprey]

its like 50/50 for me

[mossy venture]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004127599184.html

[little osprey]

aliexpress is a last resort for me

[little osprey]

I may refrain from this and go with this instead:
Misolant Ergonomic Office Chair with Footrest, Ergonomic Desk Chair with Adjustable 2D Lumbar Support, High Back Computer Chair with Adjustable Headrest, Comfortable Leather Office Chairs
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DN1D63GK?smid=A1LBCPA5B5TFS8

thoughts?

wtff

[mossy venture]

5700x3d is your best bet

[little osprey]

no not that one

https://www.amazon.com/Misolant-Ergonomic-Footrest-Adjustable-Comfortable/dp/B0C9HNVJQN?sr=8-32

wrong link

[dusky hearth]

wait

oh

[little osprey]

this is the one I meant

@analog hearth it got brand name on the listing

[little osprey]

ok then i think i saw a few in stock on newegg lol

[dusky hearth]

https://www.fakespot.com/product/misolant-ergonomic-office-chair-with-footrest-ergonomic-desk-chair-with-adjustable-2d-lumbar-support-high-back-office-chair-with-adjustable-headrest-comfortable-executive-office-chair-black ranked B with 3 stars

[analog hearth]

I mean I never said the ones with brands in the listing are good. I just don't trust the ones without a brand

[little osprey]

hmm

[little osprey]

this one is a B with less stars

[little osprey]

than this one

should i buy the b580 from newegg as well?

[dusky hearth]

also i wouldnt recommend pleather seat cushions

[little osprey]

kinda pricey

[dusky hearth]

those do not last more than a year or 2 before peeling

[mossy venture]

How much is it?

[little osprey]

like 341 USD

thats the lowest i saw on a website

[mossy venture]

Nahhh

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4RrRsY/xfx-radeon-rx-6750-xt-12-gb-speedster-qick-319-core-video-card-rx-675xyjfdp

Better gpu anyways

[little osprey]

i'll look into it

tysm btw

[mossy venture]

Np

Oh one other thing, what power supply do you have?

Actually two, do you have an ssd for windows or do you only have a hard drive?

I imagine you have an ssd but I like to double check, not having one puts you back about 10 years

[little osprey]

i have a nvme and a ssd

[little osprey]

corsair cx550m

i was looking at psu’s earlier

[mossy venture]

That could probably handle a 5700x3d/6750xt but I couldn't say for certain

It's iffy

[little osprey]

would like a 650 work

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JTtLrH/adata-xpg-kyber-650-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-kyber650g-bkcus

This would be good

Model matters as well as wattage

[little osprey]

my paycheck hates to see me coming

[mossy venture]

What cpu/gpu are you on?

[little osprey]

rn i have a ryzen 7 1700x and a rtx 2060

the 6gb one

[mossy venture]

Could do cpu/psu first and then gpu in a few weeks/months

2060 isnt terrible especially if you're playing at 1080p

Could also save up for a better gpu that way (if you want to)

5700x3d will likely be able to handle the 9070xt which comes out in March, which is supposed to match the 4080 (or come very close.) Therell also be the cheaper 9070, im hoping for around $500-650 price tags on the two of them

Or 50 series is available 1/30

[little osprey]

i’ll probably just get a psu gpu etc i’m more then likely gonna buy a new pc at the end of the year and give this one to my boyfriend

[fair raven]

So I haven't had the time to take stuff apart yet.

But anecdotally, I unplugged my 2nd monitor because it's one of the only variables I introduced. And I haven't crashed since (still watching cause the furthest I've made it without crashes was 2 days before.) Could it be that a 2nd monitor made my gpu draw too much or something?

[stoic island]

It's unlikely if it's your PSU tripping, an extra monitor puts a little more load on your GPU but not by much, and it shouldn't impact the power draw much when you're running something intensive on the GPU on the first monitor already.

Are you aware of any wiring issues within your home? It's a wild stretch but it could be something to do with having an extra device plugged in if unplugging the second monitor has solved all of your problems

[fair raven]

I'm honestly not sure. I didn't unplug the 2nd monitor from the wall yet even. I'm really not sure.

[stoic island]

I would use it more for now and see what happens, it might still be PSU issue and still pop up sometime in the future

[fair raven]

yeah, that's kinda where I'm at. It's been super frustrating and if this buys me some time that'd be wonderful.

[forest lava]

I caught the issue on camera at last

The squiggly line is where I moved my mouse across the screen, restoring partially updated frames

This is what I've been meaning by my frames updating incorrectly

Especially if a video game is open, but it can happen normally too

[potent portal]

That'll be either an overlay conflict or driver problem

Disable discord, nvidia, amd, rtss, any other overlays and see if it still happens

[dusky hearth]

i have not see this in quite some time

last time it happened to me in some form was on windows 7 lmao

[forest lava]

I had all overlays disabled

[dusky hearth]

it wasnt on discord though for me anyways, it could be a hardware acceleration issue? turn off hw acceleration and see if that fixes things

or turn it on if it's off

[forest lava]

Do I do this for browsers too?

[dusky hearth]

in advanced settings on discord

[dusky hearth]

is this only happening on discord, or is it happening globally on your screen

[forest lava]

So far I'm pretty sure it can happen on any app except for desktop

[dusky hearth]

if it's just discord, try disabling hw acceleration on discord, if it's the whole pc, maybe try reinstalling graphics drivers?

ah

i'd try reinstalling graphics drivers then

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[forest lava]

I'll try that again

[dusky hearth]

it's been so long since i had that issue so i don't even remember how i fixed it, but i think it was also fully reinstalling the drivers

[forest lava]

Hopefully I'll be able to play Terraria in fullscreen after this lol

[dusky hearth]

Wait I do remember
I remember it being fixed for me when I disabled hw acceleration on chrome (since that was the app I had that issue on) but it was happening on other programs, so I tried reinstalling my GPU drivers and it fixed it

[forest lava]

Running through that process right now then

I'm not sure how it happened in the first place

I've never had this issue across three pcs

[dusky hearth]

Perhaps a failed update or a coincidental bit flip

[forest lava]

It's been happening since I first built it in november so probably whatever that latter means

[dusky hearth]

The latter is extremely rare, and usually happens after a while of storage, especially unpowered

Usually error correction fixes bit flips

[forest lava]

I hate Win11

It doesn't let me enter my pin or get in any other way while in safe mode

So I have to boot it normally and remove my pin

[dusky hearth]

Hmm

You should just set a password instead but with your pin perhaps

You can disable the password length requirements

If they give you any issue, but I don't think they're on by default

Windows allows me to do 1 character passwords

Ironically this makes Linux so much more secure since by default, every distro I've used requires at least 8 characters lol

Could disable it afterwords though of course

[jagged ember]

Those got damn cosmic rays

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/tien-shinhan-solar-flare-attack-tien-shinhan-gif-25864979

[forest lava]

It worked!

I can finally run Terraria on my 6800

Hopefully my PC won't die anymore when playing Shadow of Mordor or Skyrim

They run fine but they would randomly cause my computer to blackscreen and require me to power it off and back on

[runic cedar]

So I know that single and dual rail PSU's exist, but what about a 4-way split 12V rail

[stoic island]

there are lots of multi rail psus with multiple 12v rails

[runic cedar]

Then how would it be set up ?

[stoic island]

What about it...?

[dusky hearth]

Just more cost for not a huge amount of benefit

[runic cedar]

Since theres 2 rows of connectors I wonder how they split it into 4

[stoic island]

it can just be 4 different rails for 4 12v connectors

[runic cedar]

Cuz this seems like a 4-way split

2× PCI-E and 6× SATA thats maybe 2, 3 or 4?

[potent portal]

That was relatively common and cheaper to do than a single massive rail back in the day

[stoic island]

It could be one rail for 2x pcie, one rail for eps12v, one rail for mobo 12v, one for peripherals

[runic cedar]

I'd think 2x PCI-E thats 2 rails, then u got the non modular motherboard connector

[stoic island]

yea it was common to see for cheap PSUs to have a bunch of cheap rails

the specific implementation is is probably going to be in the manual

[runic cedar]

Whats eps12V?

[potent portal]

I'm glad no one uses group regulated power like that anymore

[potent portal]

CPU power

[runic cedar]

Ok thx

What does eps mean tho?

Curious

Also whats a molex?

[potent portal]

Molex was used for IDE drives (aka PATA, predecessor to SATA) as well as peripherals like fans

[dusky hearth]

We are in a constant state of emergency nowadays I guess

[potent portal]

disregard I was reading the wrong thing, stupid AI

[dusky hearth]

Loo

Lol

That would be funny though

[potent portal]

Entry-Level Power Supply Specification (EPS)

It's part of the ATX standard

ATX being the standard that Intel helped design way back in the early days of home computing to standardize parts

[runic cedar]

I cant find the RS-700-ASAAA-A1 cooler master PSU manual anywhere

[potent portal]

That's probably because it's from 2007

[dusky hearth]

Oh hey the PSU is sli ready

[potent portal]

It also barely passed the spec for 80+ white label

80.28%

So it was a crappy cheap PSU even in 2007

[stoic island]

legacy psu list had it in tier E and I'm trying to find why lol

not in their sources and all the reviews I can pull up don't say much

it's group reg and it has a pretty bad capacitor but I don't see much else

[dusky hearth]

I mean, what more do you need for e tier

[stoic island]

Something explodey

[dusky hearth]

If their testing methodology is the same as the "current" PSU tier list, then c tier and above requires independent rail regulation, so it would have been placed into d, but if it didn't have alot of reviews, it would be downgraded to e tier

[stoic island]

It's the p-gm tier

[dusky hearth]

F tier is the explodey tier though

[potent portal]

That's because Gigglebyte claims to have fixed the issue

It was F tier

[plucky timber]

Tier D?

more like Tier Deez

[stoic island]

Legacy list, pre-cultist list because that one has older units, that list doesn't have F tier

[dusky hearth]

Ahh

[dusky hearth]

Well, I did say "if"

It is crazy that an f tier even had to exist

[stoic island]

Anyways @runic cedar if you have any choice at all, I would not use that PSU

Extremely old, potentially dangerous, definitely bad

[potent portal]

Particularly for modern systems that would be absolutely awful

Basically more than 400W load from modern components and that thing will either shut off if it has real protections or it'll explode

Oh and it doesn't have the "haswell ready" badge either so it can't use sleep modes

[cyan ravine]

The cable if it's buggered or there's a short connected to the monitor (Monitor plug?) yes absolutely

I've seen tons of this before

You could try a new monitor cable, or a new wall plug/power board for the monitor

[fair raven]

That's a good idea. I have an extra display port around somewhere. I might leave it for a bit with just 1 monitor and see if I can go longer w/o crashing. And maybe I'll plug it back in just to see if it crashes again at all as well lol.

I honestly kind of like having 1 monitor anyways, I just upgraded to a 1440p and figured i'd use my 2nd since I had it

[cyan ravine]

Yeah see how you go for a bit

I've seen it happen too many times with bad cables or monitor ports causing issues @fair raven

[runic cedar]

Nah it was for demonstration purpose only, I explained what it said on there etc.

[little osprey]

A type of connector

Old stupid connectors

[wide sparrow]

Armageddon lmaoooo. The name in itself spells bad

[shrewd gale]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/pcKtWc
Need a opinion, anything that can be add or just replace. Might need more fans, but I am also looking for the 50 series launching next week.

[dusky hearth]

if you get a 4080 super dont get anything from the 50 series because it is just simply not worth it

[shrewd gale]

And if the prize is under?

[dusky hearth]

despite nvidia's claims, the 50 series is only a tiny bit better than the 40 series in performance, for a large price increase

[shrewd gale]

Yeah, I can agree on that.

[dusky hearth]

pretty much the only way their claims even exist is because of multi frame generation, but only like what, 5 games support it lol

there's probably a little more than that, but chances are you arent playing a game that supports it

also it adds latency

[shrewd gale]

Ah, so it best if I get a 4080 or even I could get the 4070

[dusky hearth]

or a 7900xtx for that money

[shrewd gale]

Oh I see

[shrewd gale]

Wasn't sure for the fans throught, I love the case, but I know can fit at least 6 fans or 7

[dusky hearth]

hmm that's an expensive case lol

[shrewd gale]

Yeah...

[dusky hearth]

looks like 10 120mm fans on the case

there are cheaper fishtank cases around (idk any off the top of my head) though idk if any of those cheaper ones have wood accents...

for anybody reading this, the case costs $187.04 usd, so it's fairly pricy lol

[shrewd gale]

I will find another one then.

Hm, shot

Or I could just go for that https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/NT738Q

[severe lava]

any suggestions i want to build a new pc for abt 1200 im not using it for anything crazy i just want something that will run the more demanding new games

[dusky hearth]

looks like the cheapest dual chamber case is this from my searching https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/FvNYcf/diypc-argb-q10-atx-mid-tower-case-argb-q10-bk

unless you want the wood accents

the fractal north case is even more expensive than that corsair lol

[shrewd gale]

It just I am trying to get something good, I don't hate just having it black it just it might not fit with my room. Plus idk if it even worth it

I am honestly scare not because I don't trust you guys, but, making a bad decision.

[dusky hearth]

ah, you werent looking for a dual chamber case specifically, i assumed you were due to the corsair

[shrewd gale]

No, I am just looking for a case that would look great in my room, I know it kind of tricky, but I don't want a pc that to bright when off

Plus the one I got right is with a 3060 and running with 1 fan which is not great

[dusky hearth]

for room matching, we'll need to see your room to see if there's anything specific that would or would not match

[shrewd gale]

Yeah one sec

[dusky hearth]

Hmm

I definitely would see why a wooden accent would make sense

[shrewd gale]

Yeah

I got 4000 budget

In canadian

[dusky hearth]

Sama also has some wood accented cases

[shrewd gale]

https://www.newegg.ca/black-sama-v-nature-atx-micro-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-009W-00083?item=9SIB41PK9J5659&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwordscamkpl-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwordscamkpl-pc-_-pla-sama+official+store-_-cases+(computer+cases+-+atx+form)-_-9SIB41PK9J5659&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid+shopping&utm_campaign=knc-googleadwordscamkpl-pc-_-pla-sama+official+store-_-cases+(computer+cases+-+atx+form)-_-9SIB41PK9J5659&id0=Google&id1=12406817417&id2=123424630732&id3=&id4=&id5=pla-2368943751563&id6=&id7=9000270&id8=&id9=g&id10=c&id11=&id12=Cj0KCQiAy8K8BhCZARIsAKJ8sfSEuTrKnwnKvFlJW2X7GUyFr-XGVOT25cFLJ3HEdM8vXkGXrUqx0zwaAtnhEALw_wcB&id13=&id14=Y&id15=&id16=500492117756&id17=&id18=&id19=&id20=&id21=pla&id22=492307406&id23=online&id24=9SIB41PK9J5659&id25=CA&id26=2368943751563&id27=Y&id28=&id29=&id30=6763192199492112820&id31=en&id32=&id33=&id34=&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAy8K8BhCZARIsAKJ8sfSEuTrKnwnKvFlJW2X7GUyFr-XGVOT25cFLJ3HEdM8vXkGXrUqx0zwaAtnhEALw_wcB

My bad for link, but this one look great

I could add a water cooler and 4 fans

[dusky hearth]

Your budget gives plenty of room for the fractal north case though, so yeah see which you prefer

Not too many options for wood accented cases still

And half of them are fishtank cases lol

Which don't make sense unless you put the pc on your desk, if you put it where your current PC is, it wouldn't be worth the cost for a fishtank case

[shrewd gale]

Well, if I get a fish tank, the only thing that wonder is wheer to put it

[dusky hearth]

True

[shrewd gale]

Well, I could put it high on the where my water bottle are

[dusky hearth]

Your desk isn't made for a right side PC on the desk

[shrewd gale]

Well, I could turn my desk around and that would be possible for the fish tank

[dusky hearth]

That's true

You have one of those desks that don't have a back that makes it non reversible

Also is that 3 waterbottles that I see lol

[shrewd gale]

Yeah, still moving in...

[dusky hearth]

An upgrade I'll recommend is a headphone hook for the table

[shrewd gale]

Well yes, the metal bar that under my desk can be place on my side.

[shrewd gale]

Building one with my 3d printer

[dusky hearth]

Huh interesting there are even wood accented ones lol

[shrewd gale]

Yeah, but I preffer building it myself

[dusky hearth]

Yeah that's fair

But yeah, what you pick is up to you
If you don't want to bother with cable management, I would recommend keeping the PC where it currently is

If you want your PC to become a statement piece, then get a fishtank case, but note that it will require alot more cable management to make it look good

Oh yeah

You also need to dust it frequently

Especially with black parts

The dust is very visible

[shrewd gale]

Mhm. I will figure out the case. My only big worry is the parts. That the only thing that worries me the most

[dusky hearth]

Parts look fine, don't see any glaring issues with it at least

[cyan ravine]

This is way better, you get a monitor in it

Also I think I made this list I replied to lol

[dusky hearth]

Lol

[shrewd gale]

You did.

No worrie, I remember

[cyan ravine]

Beebir, speaking from the mountains of corsair I own, I'd pass up on corsair stuff personally

[shrewd gale]

I am just scare for no reasons

[cyan ravine]

I can cater to that aesthetic with a new list while avoiding corsair splurge

[shrewd gale]

I am made like that

[cyan ravine]

You're fine lol

But yeah icue is bloaty and an annoying ecosystem, no actual benefit going with them nowadays

Their 500X cases were also voted worst case of the year

After years of decent cases those in particular were yikes

[dusky hearth]

Me when I'm in a PC part picking competition and my opponent is felix

[shrewd gale]

Oh, that I didn't knew

[cyan ravine]

I can achieve that look though if you give me some time, very little extra spent, would you prefer that?

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-nose-shrink-gif-24739073

[cyan ravine]

Much more quality choices, same result, much less spent (or similar with the monitor lol)

[cyan ravine]

Bacca can beat me nowadays in a head to head lol

[weary galleon]

Bacca might have the speed but I think Felix still has deeper knowledge

[shrewd gale]

Well, sure if you want, and the monitor, it can still stay the same one.

I was thinking of buying one with the selling of my old pc and my old monitor

[cyan ravine]

I'll get to it in a mo

I would prefer you buy the best quality without breaking the bank personally, it's one of my few party tricks

[shrewd gale]

Great idea. Personnally, I really don't want to go bankrupt at the same time.

[cyan ravine]

Hmmm

@shrewd gale
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/vxPyxg

Have a gander

The 3 separate fans are reverse fans

So you can stick them at the bottom of the case, and you see the rgb side

The 5 pack and aio should also have fan controllers, and the fans support daisy chain, so you should be able to hook everything up with minimal issues (Stick to 3 fans per header max)

For your needs I still think you don't need a 4080 super, but that's up to you, that would also fit here

[shrewd gale]

Well it look great, I don't really much about the RX 7900, but I supposed it the same compare to other cards

I think I will go for that.

And turn my desk on the other side

[cyan ravine]

Interesting the psu went out of stock

Hm

[shrewd gale]

Hm?

[shrewd gale]

It not, click on it

Nevermind, i am a idiot

[cyan ravine]

I will give you a substitute

I would wait for that psu to come back though if possible

It comes with sleeved cables stock

Which is like

Huge bonus for the price

[shrewd gale]

I can wait and purchase all the other parts.

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Ok this looks like probably next best
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Bjhv6h/adata-xpg-core-reactor-ii-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-corereactorii850g-bkcus

Keep waiting a few days for the psu to come back

It'll be worth the wait cos sleeved cables look really nice

But ones that aren't extensions make a pc way easier to build if you like aesthetics

Much less cables in the back

Immense difference

[shrewd gale]

Alright, also for the processor, should I wait, don't really know much about the store

[cyan ravine]

Supposedly stock is getting better but I reckon you'll be waiting a while

You could maybe buy something much cheaper then sell/return when a 9800X3D comes in stock at the actual msrp

(690-ish)

The 7800X3D is not bad tho

And memory express is fine

Only comment about them is they're doing business tough the last couple years

[shrewd gale]

I know the 9800X3D is a bit better

[cyan ravine]

About 10% or so

Depending on what you're doing

As little as 5 as high as 15

[shrewd gale]

Yeah, well I will use fligth simulator for sure

[cyan ravine]

Oh well flight sim loves x3d

So worth waiting if you can

9800X3D will exaggerate the hell out of that small difference to something way bigger

Any x3d tbh

[shrewd gale]

Alright, so I will wait for the 9800X3D and the PSU to come back out, I will purchase all the other stuff.

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[shrewd gale]

Thanks again, I will let oyu know when I will be done or have got everything

[cyan ravine]

Again, up to you if you prefer a 4080, it won't do anything really to your game performance

They daily basically the same, just one is a good bit cheaper

[cyan ravine]

No worries, I think that should cover everything

We have a build guide in the pins

It's long af but you can skip through it with chapters

Very small amount of it applies to your build really

[shrewd gale]

4080 is not problem, it just I know more about the system of nvidia then this new card, but I think there not much difference

[cyan ravine]

My experience with both goes like

They feel basically exactly the same if you don't open the gpu apps lmao

DLSS is a little more reliable in image quality

AMD re:live is a bit clunky

But the amd card is way cheaper

Pure performance is higher

And the card has way more vram

Once you're up and running it feels the same provided there's no major hardware or software issue going on

[shrewd gale]

Alright, I am sure I will figure it out. Like said, experience, if you don't like just change it when you're tired of it

[cyan ravine]

Some obvious performance differences but completely comparable

[shrewd gale]

Agree

[cyan ravine]

Yeah pretty much

I daily both sides

So I'm very in tune with how they work

I think dailying ryzen is a far more noticeable difference these days vs intel, compared to nvidia vs radeon

There are some things ryzen does that if you're cluey you'll notice it very quick

Not in like a bad way but the differences are so small

[shrewd gale]

Yeah, i understand

[cyan ravine]

Let us know if you have issues tho cos we get the occasional chips that are just unhappy out the box

AMD has a bit of a hit rate for doa cards and cpus

If everything runs well out the box then it should be fine

[shrewd gale]

Alright, might just need a reminder for the fans.

[cyan ravine]

All good

The 3 reverse go under the gpu

The rest go top side back

[shrewd gale]

Ok, so I would have 2 spares?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[shrewd gale]

If I am not wrong, ok

[cyan ravine]

You could get the 3 pack actually

I think I had the 5 there for the other case

Hold on lemme check

[shrewd gale]

are theses the same???

[cyan ravine]

Ah I did, but it's 2 dollars for 2 more fans

They are not

They are but aren't

[shrewd gale]

Oh, I see it now

[cyan ravine]

Ye RB is reverse

[shrewd gale]

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

So you can have all the fans showing only the front

But the bottom are intake

So it looks cleaner

Very very few fans have reverse versions

These are nice performance, price, and the quality is decent

[shrewd gale]

Alright

Got everything from amazon

[cyan ravine]

Yeah thermalright likes selling off amazon

All good, they don't pay me to convince you to buy off Newegg lmao

Heh, unless... 👀

[shrewd gale]

Well it great site, if you look for spare parts, it perfect

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Oh I use amazon a lot personally

Returns are great

Newegg doesn't have a lot worth buying in my country

Mainly only really small goods

[shrewd gale]

Wait, might have a issue

[cyan ravine]

[shrewd gale]

You said the ryzen 7 9800X3D, right?

[cyan ravine]

Only if it's selling for the real msrp yeah

And a genuine seller

[shrewd gale]

Ok, doesn't fit with he current motherboard

[cyan ravine]

Eh

It's B650 yes

[shrewd gale]

Site error?

[cyan ravine]

All AM5 fit

What that is is pcpp saying

"Oh need bios update"

Again don't go buying a 9800X3D if it's not the 690 price or like a few dollars over that

[shrewd gale]

Oh, so if it came back on stock

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[shrewd gale]

Alright make sense, I will check it out when I the psu came back and wait for the motherboard

[cyan ravine]

No worries

The motherboard has a bios flash button

So you can definitely use the 9800X3D with it if you manage one

[shrewd gale]

Alright then.

[cyan ravine]

If it adds confidence, I see articles for the motherboard saying "Ryzen 9000 ready"

Lol

[shrewd gale]

Ah alright, well it already order so yeah

[cyan ravine]

Nice

[severe lava]

any suggestions i want to build a new pc for abt 1200 im not using it for anything crazy i just want something that will run the more demanding new games

[smoky nest]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/CyberPowerPC-Gamer-Xtreme-Gaming-Desktop-Intel-Core-i7-14700KF-32GB-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4070-Super-12GB-1TB-SSD-Black-GXi4600WSTV2/8592071546?classType=REGULAR&athbdg=L1103&from=/search
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Skytech-King-95-Gaming-PC-Desktop-AMD-Ryzen-7-7700X-AMD-Radeon-RX-7800XT-1TB-Gen4-SSD-32GB-RAM-AIO-Liquid-Cooling-Windows-11/13690615706?classType=REGULAR&from=/search

Which of these two would you guys rather go with? They are both same price

[plucky timber]

Only gaming yes?

Would you be fine with getting your cpu from AliExpress?

[severe lava]

yea only gaming

i dont know much abt aliexpress i though there were more of a bulk purchase ordeal

[plucky timber]

nope

[severe lava]

huh good to know

i guess i wouldnt be apposed to it as long is it reliable

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y8LVBq

damn

overbudget 💀

gonna try to shave it down

[severe lava]

dont matter that much just wanted to keep it in ther area

[plucky timber]

alright that's cool then

[severe lava]

never used anything but nividia for graphics card is there much a difference

[plucky timber]

depends

do you use ray tracing much?

[severe lava]

na not a whole lot

[plucky timber]

Unless you're using ray tracing

the 7900XT should outperform the 4070TI Super

that's what make it such good value really

4070Ti & Ti Supers start at way higher

[severe lava]

ahh ok i see

would it be worth to up the budget a bit for a better cpu then

[plucky timber]

ehhhhh

here's the thing

the closest cpu you could go up to is a 7700X

and in games you won't really see that much of a performance gain from it

the biggest leap would be a 7800X3D/9800X3D

and uhhh

💀

yeah...

Unless you want to go down to AM4

[severe lava]

thats a little price jump

[plucky timber]

well the good thing about the 7500F is that it's really damn good at the price

and 9800X3D pretty much just came out a couple months ago

there is the possbility that the price will dip a couple months down the line

and it might be a better idea to upgrade then

[severe lava]

is there anyway to see who the seller is on ali express

[dusky hearth]

it's very visible

[severe lava]

must be blind lmao

[dusky hearth]

while in the search

[severe lava]

oh i see now

thanks

[dusky hearth]

in product

[plucky timber]

I'd look for sellers with the largest volume sold

[desert lantern]

I have a question if anyone can help me.

So I have a graphics card that have two 8 pin connectors.

Any idea why when it comes to my plce wires I can only plug one in on the right side but the moment I plug one in the left (with the right ofc) my pc shuts down and stops running? Or it just refuses to run at all if I have both plugged in

[plucky timber]

did you... turn it off?

before plugging the conncetors in?

[desert lantern]

Yes.

And then when I turn it on with the connectors in , it won’t turn on at all

[plucky timber]

did you use the original cables from the psu?

[desert lantern]

Yes

[plucky timber]

did you use separate cables instead of a spliced cable?

[desert lantern]

Yes

[plucky timber]

they are 100% pcie 8-pin connectors?

this is very unusual

[desert lantern]

Yeah

[plucky timber]

what power supply is it?

[desert lantern]

Mag A750GL PCIE5

[plucky timber]

have you tried different cables?

[dusky hearth]

i hope it's just your wording but you have unplugged your pc to plug in the gpu right lol
"the moment I plug one in the left (with the right ofc) my pc shuts down" made it sound like you were doing it while the pc was on

[desert lantern]

Yes I did , sorry I should’ve worded that better

No I wasn’t I promise.

It’s throwing me off because it’s only with my left side., the pc just won’t turn on with them plugged in

It makes a buzz sound and nothing happens

[plucky timber]

could be something wrong with the gpu and/or the psu

[desert lantern]

even with the psu being brand new?.

[plucky timber]

yes

it does sound more like something on the gpu side

[desert lantern]

I belive so too.

[dusky hearth]

see if using the daisy chained pcie cable instead of the 2 seperate cables and see if that works fine

also it's interesting that one cable is "daisy chained" and the other is just straight

[plucky timber]

you'd think it'll come with more

considering that it's a 750w

[desert lantern]

Won’t turn on.

[cyan ravine]

Sorry a what sound

What kind of buzzing sound

Don't keep trying it, explain the sound first

[desert lantern]

It does a little buzz/click sound .

With the plce cord in when I try to turn it on

[cyan ravine]

Like the sound of electricity zapping?

[desert lantern]

No no

It’s weird to explain it’s like a click/buzz

[cyan ravine]

Like phone vibrating?

[desert lantern]

Yeah in a way

But it’s just a click that sounds through, the buzzing is faint.

[cyan ravine]

That sounds really sus

Can you try a different psu plug with that same cable

Make sure it's inserted correctly on both ends

[rain carbon]

Troll

[mossy venture]

Don't call felix that, rude

[cyan ravine]

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-ogres-have-layers-you-get-it-onions-have-layers-gif-15744640

[rain bloom]

What boxes should I keep from my PC build? I’m thinking case box and monitor box for transport and PSU box since it has all the cords and stuff

[manic cloak]

I kept all of mine and managed to fit it in my pc case box

but USUALLY, keep your CPU, motherboard, PSU, GPU, case (monitor, ram, air cooler/aio optional)

you're more likely to sell those parts

[rain bloom]

Very good thing I didn't put anything out for recycling lol, that's basically all my boxes

[dusky hearth]

most useful box to keep is the gpu box

pop out the gpu to transport

[stoic island]

I keep my mobo box for storing excess connector cables, PSU box for excess power cables, GPU box for transport and resale

[dusky hearth]

i've also kept all my boxes (i have a slight problem with hoarding boxes) but if there was any singular box that you should never throw out, it's the gpu box

you can even use it to store excess cables and such

the box IS large enough to fit all your spare parts on a build usually

for modern gpu sizes at least

[stoic island]

I don't like the GPU box for storing stuff, I keep the foam which makes it bad for fitting a lot of stuff

[dusky hearth]

true, depends on how much spare parts you have, if you just have a molex or whatever, it should fit though

if you have like a hdd bracket or whatever, then that wont fit

[potent portal]

I keep case box, mobo, and gpu

PSU cables I keep in a bag in the mobo box

[dusky hearth]

i feel like case box is probably not really required
maybe keep the foam (if good quality), but the box is a bit bulky to store

[potent portal]

Sure but it's useful when you move or ship it

(make sure to use extra packing if you ship it, it's only made to protect the weight of the case and a full build exceeds the standard foam's protection)

[dusky hearth]

yeah i was going to say

[plucky timber]

what cooler tho

if I'm moving a pc

I'd remove any HDDs, air coolers and the gpu

[dusky hearth]

honestly though, unless you do a "one trip move" or need to ship your pc, i don't really see too much point in keeping the box
for moving, you could usually put it in the backseat or such, on the metal side panel side down and you wouldnt risk damage unless you hit a huge pothole or crash (which both technically are the same thing)

[plucky timber]

AIOs are fine imo

[dusky hearth]

air cooler is fine as long as the pc isnt sitting upright in a vehicle

[potent portal]

Air coolers can bend in transit but it's easy enough to bend back

[plucky timber]

for maximum safety I'd remove the air cooler too

[dusky hearth]

hdds are also fine, just dont load a shopping cart full of them and roll it through the parking lot

[plucky timber]

I'm very paranoid

[dusky hearth]

lmao

[plucky timber]

I have a protective case for my 8TB hdds

[manic cloak]

I only kept my air cooler box cause I thought i'd buy a aio

[dusky hearth]

also really? a hdd in your system in 2025?????? ong frfr

[plucky timber]

it's for my nas

[manic cloak]

NAS's are so cool

I want one 😔

[dusky hearth]

but yeah, hdds can handle a bit of movement as long as it's not spinning

[plucky timber]

Boeing paranoia in action

[dusky hearth]

damn

[plucky timber]

These are expensive drives so

The case was uhh

[dusky hearth]

well, that's probably even going to protect it from a drop lmao

[plucky timber]

Under $20 I'd say

Yeah

Very secure

Vibration ain't harming these drives

If it can even get through

[dusky hearth]

but yeah, i've transported my own hard drives a fair bit in a car and never had an issue

similar with hard drives in my laptops

[potent portal]

Or drop it on the hard floor and wonder why your million dollar server isn't working like Linus

[dusky hearth]

lmao

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-meme-cyberpunk-car-explode-gif-16215759199221318250

[manic cloak]

let's see if it passes the alaska airlines test

[plucky timber]

I carried my HDDs on a plane in that exact case

Cathay Pacific

[dusky hearth]

but yeah, if there's anything that can destroy your build while in transit, it's your gpu

[plucky timber]

8 hour international flight from HKG to BNE

[dusky hearth]

it's the least secure part of the pc

[plucky timber]

Yeah it'll rip out of the slot if there's a lot of movement

Or rip the slot off

[dusky hearth]

even the cpu cooler is unlikely to fling off; normally it just bends since its copper

[plucky timber]

Yeah air coolers aren't too bad unless you got a NH-D15

I definitely won't trust a D15

[rain bloom]

Especially since newer GPUs are bigger and heavier than ever, will keep that box for sure

[shrewd gale]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/szfxFT/msi-b650-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-plus-wifi
VS
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cPNYcf/gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2

Same thing?

[potent portal]

The gigabyte has an extra M.2 slot and a faster USB C header for the front panel. That's pretty much it as far as differences go.

[shrewd gale]

I am asking because I needed to see if I could save a bit of money for my set up

[plucky timber]

Post full pcpartpicker list

[shrewd gale]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/vxPyxg

Made by english

But making slight modifications

[plucky timber]

Do you need the RGB ram?

Or is that the cheapest

[shrewd gale]

Well, I do need rams.

But if you got a suggestion, go ahead

[plucky timber]

Wow

No RGB ram doesn't make a difference

[shrewd gale]

Hm?

[plucky timber]

Ok this is a very optimised list already

Nah

You can't save much money by getting cheaper ram sadly

Non RGB 6000CL30 really isn't much cheaper

Canadian market quirk

[shrewd gale]

Yeah, it just I got a second opinion that I could get a motherboard a bit less and maybe got for a air cooler

[plucky timber]

There is a sapphire pulse XTX for $10 less

Not a significant saving but 🤷‍♂️

Pc case could be potentially somewhere you can save money on?

[shrewd gale]

Ok, it just 10 dollars

[plucky timber]

Yeah it's really optimised

[rain carbon]

Air cooler might be a good option there honestly, especially in atx

[mossy venture]

Air cooler is 100% fine, like the Peerless assassin 120 or a620, but what cheaper motherboard?

[shrewd gale]

Case is the only one that fits with my desk

[rain carbon]

Thats not a bad list

[plucky timber]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/zysV3C/lian-li-lancool-207-atx-mid-tower-case-lan207rx

What about this?

[shrewd gale]

Like i said in my past message, trying to make it fit with my desk

.

[plucky timber]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/8hfxFT/thermaltake-view-380-argb-atx-mid-tower-case-ca-1z2-00m1wn-00

[rain carbon]

Wood accent

[mossy venture]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/YKZx2x

Could definitely do a cheaper monitor

Oled isn't a requirement

7900xt isn't a major drop performance wise

Could do pm850d, B tier psu at $115

[plucky timber]

These cases aren't bigger?

Or am I missing something

[shrewd gale]

Yeah, forgot to remove the monitor.

[rain carbon]

Mini led would be a great choice really

[mossy venture]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tXWZ8Q

[rain carbon]

If you can grab a 7900 xt for the 650 range thats good

[plucky timber]

This does look like a massive case

Lancool 207 is way smaller

[shrewd gale]

Cost a lot

[plucky timber]

The monitors?

[shrewd gale]

No, ok wait, this is the list

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/4r3cMC

[plucky timber]

The Antec C8 looks pretty massive tho

[shrewd gale]

Alright I should go with the air cooler, only problem, is that I am unsure if I really need that much fan

[plucky timber]

This is your selected case with parts for scale

Are you sure it's going to fit?

[rain carbon]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/FG7scf/lian-li-a3-matx-microatx-mini-tower-case-a3-matx-wd-black

This could justify the liquid cooler

[plucky timber]

Can it fit the xtx tho

[rain carbon]

Yep

I checked

[shrewd gale]

Can I see throught?

[rain carbon]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gP322x

This is not with the liquid cooler

[shrewd gale]

Looks like a black box

[rain carbon]

Id change that rq

[rain carbon]

Its not glass no

If you want glass id stay away

[plucky timber]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/zysV3C/lian-li-lancool-207-atx-mid-tower-case-lan207rx

[rain carbon]

Wait nvm

[plucky timber]

I'm going to link this again

This case should be smaller

[rain carbon]

Its glass panel

Looks tinted tho

Not sure

[plucky timber]

Is it?

[rain carbon]

Checked amazon, its glass

[plucky timber]

Didn't know they sold them with the case

Thought it's a separate package

Huh

[rain carbon]

Unless its an option

Not sure

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0DFS88R2L?tag=pcp0f-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

It almost looks like a mesh in some pics

I genuinely cant tell

[plucky timber]

This is also a good alternative

Really compact case

[rain carbon]

Remember

Wood

Accent

[plucky timber]

https://youtu.be/e8zwlzc_uD4

[rain carbon]

[plucky timber]

Also had an indepth review

[rain carbon]

They want it to match their desk boeing

[plucky timber]

Oh

OHHH

[shrewd gale]

And my headphone doesn't work....

[plucky timber]

THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT

[rain carbon]

Lol

[plucky timber]

I completely misinterpreted that as a size thing

[shrewd gale]

What he saying?

[rain carbon]

Was wondering why you kept recommending those cases

[rain carbon]

[plucky timber]

Ahhahaha

Lmao my bad

[rain carbon]

I can relate to that

[shrewd gale]

Bro, my headphone just decided I cannot hear anything

[jagged ember]

Off and on again?

[shrewd gale]

Tried

[jagged ember]

Maybe something muted itself in volume mixer

[rain carbon]

Make sure its completely plugged in

[jagged ember]

Oh yeah that too lol

[shrewd gale]

It plug

Mixer working fine.

Great

HM

[rain carbon]

Is it being detected?

[shrewd gale]

Yes

[rain carbon]

Make sure system output is set to the headphones you want

Theres a lot of troubleshooting with that vagueness rip

[shrewd gale]

Ok, can hear now

[rain carbon]

[shrewd gale]

Ok, I could change the case for something less big

[rain carbon]

If you like the case thats up to you

Matx is a good middleground

Anything lower and youll want liquid cooling

[shrewd gale]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MbhPKq

[shrewd gale]

check it out

Because currently I might buy the ryzen 7 9800X3D if the price drops next week

[plucky timber]

Fractal north is a pretty good size ye

One of the best wood accent cases

[rain carbon]

Fractal north is great yeah

On the look alone id use that myself

[shrewd gale]

Ok hm

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/KqmPKq

Alright

[rain carbon]

Why the samsung?

[shrewd gale]

Huh

[rain carbon]

Lost half your storage and are paying more lmao

Also dont pay that for noctua

Noctua is so overpriced

[shrewd gale]

Ok, it just 49 dollar for a air cooler, feel like it to cheap

[rain carbon]

Price ≠ quality

[shrewd gale]

Preffer quality

[rain carbon]

You dont need to pay more to have an equivalent good product

[rain carbon]

You arent getting 80cad more worth of quality

Let alone 20

And the samsung drive would be straight up stupid imo lmao

Put your money in the right stuff id say

[shrewd gale]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/FyKHRV

Alright, that it

[rain carbon]

Blud has two cpu coolers LMAO

[shrewd gale]

Cost even more then when there was a water cooler💀

[rain carbon]

Fix it rq lol

[shrewd gale]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MbhPKq

[rain carbon]

Yeah because you have two coolers

[shrewd gale]

Realise

Ok, NOW

[rain carbon]

Perfect

Id rock that setup myself

[shrewd gale]

Alright, if I can run flight simulator, cities skylines 2 and all other combats games, great!

[rain carbon]

You can run those as background tasks while you play something else

[shrewd gale]

But, still I could put a ryzen 7 9800X3D, if the price drops

[rain carbon]

Wouldnt be worth it tbh

Not a substancial enough difference

[shrewd gale]

Yeah, just 10% different

[rain carbon]

In certain games

You already have an x3d chip picked out

Youd have to drop to a lower resolution for it to really matter