building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

Let me add them to the list so you have one easy link

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sy87Wc

There you go

If you prefer no rgb (colours) I can do that too

[distant yoke]

yeah, no rgb

[cyan ravine]

You want really high performance ones? Or just nice ones that are simple

Starting to look like my kinda build now

I dig no rgb

[distant yoke]

well I know reliable is just an understatment, right?

[cyan ravine]

Oath

Spend on decent ones, save for when you need more

Do you like RGB on the ram @distant yoke

I can change that

[distant yoke]

I just don't care for rgb

[cyan ravine]

Easy

[distant yoke]

it looks cool how others have it, but can't see it for me

[cyan ravine]

ONE HIGH QUALITY SPECIAL ORDER UP

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/csvHh7

How's that

P12 max fans are super quiet fans

So you'll have a super quiet pc here

Though the gpu might be a little bit noisy sometimes 💀

[distant yoke]

you think?

[cyan ravine]

XFX make really good gpus, but the cooling solution is a little bit minimalistic

It definitely works no issues

Just they tend to use the fans a bit aggressively

It's something you can fix with a little bit of time using software so I wouldn't be worried

It's loud to the degree of like...a new-ish air conditioner?

So still not all that loud

[distant yoke]

new-ish air conditioner?

[cyan ravine]

Haha

I'm tryna think of something to compare

What about your car's air conditioner 💀

That's a little more accurate if you have one

[distant yoke]

on full blast or lkow?

[cyan ravine]

Low to medium

[distant yoke]

ok

[cyan ravine]

That's the pc at full power

That's about where I'd estimate it

So pretty quiet honestly

[distant yoke]

I trust your word

[cyan ravine]

Haha glad to help man

Anyway you rest

Ask me later if you have any more questions

No stress

[distant yoke]

my other concerns were that to mostly order from newegg and the end result

but guess that can't be helped

thanks anyway though

[cyan ravine]

Ah yeah

It's better to order from multiple places

I kept it to mainly amazon and Newegg

The reason is the sales aren't the same on both

[distant yoke]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

Just by using several stores you can save hundreds

So it's a very worthwhile thing to do

[distant yoke]

you right

[cyan ravine]

Can get a little confusing though I understand

Anyway you rest your poor brain man

[distant yoke]

thanks again, and yeah its pretty late for me

[cyan ravine]

No worries

[flint sapphire]

🫡

[sour sage]

what is best resource for benchmarks

cpu benchmarks to be specific

[untold orbit]

You want to perform a benchmark or research benchmarks?

[sour sage]

i ment results

gaming benchmarks results

fps numbers

[untold orbit]

https://www.pcgamebenchmark.com/fps-calculator

This one you can pick your pc components and it will show you scores

There's also this: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

[analog hearth]

Do yourself a favor and delete this. And instead of ever using this again, look up Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed on YouTube

Also don't use bottleneck calculators (due to the same type of innaccurace, which is that they make zero sense)

[cyan ravine]

We can be a little cleaner in the way we say this I think

Though it's not wrong

There's a reason we have a command for this

?bottleneck

[jolly river]

"TL;DR Bottleneck calculators take massive generalisations and will cause someone to almost completely miss the entire snapshot of the performance that they wanted to know in the first place.

Bottleneck calculators are a commonly searched tool on the internet to make a generalised comment on a pairing of hardware for things such as games, workstation software, rendering and the like.

Bottlenecks are regarded as a limit for a pc in a given task, and each different workload, each different game, each different task may and will push a pc to a limit in a certain way, and it's never the same way. Some games will push the cpu to a limit, most the GPU, some the ram, etc.

Bottleneck calculators try to generalise this and this is why you should never use them. It isn't a true outlook of the hardware you'd be working with and doesn't give you a real take on the performance, especially when you consider your own individual needs. Some bottlenecks are good for example, a lot are expected and normal, some are caused by the application itself and don't bring out the full pc performance either, the games or apps you use might be very specific and unique in their behaviour and have an entirely different realm of performance altogether."

[cyan ravine]

There's a huge gamut of reasons for having a bottleneck, and as above, a lot of the time it's considered a normal situation

Like for one, almost no benchmarking reference really details the type of software or configuration of windows, and windows comes preloaded with tons of vampiric telemetry programs that eat into cpu and PC performance

That alone can make an enormous difference, something that reviewers themselves only picked up on a few months ago with the whole "Admin account" concept

I've seen PC's jump like 30% or more in games just by having a much cleaner install

Windows can be increasingly taxing the lower in the PC parts pile you go

[analog hearth]

Yo didn’t know we had a command for it

[tawny violet]

Ye that's a thing

[distant yoke]

Yo, now when I actually look at the case, the specs show it comes wit 4 fans but doesn't say if can hold more. Also, the sizes being 1 120mm and 3 140mm, doesn't say if I can place 120mm where th 140s are too unless its implied. Was gonna ask about hhd but it has space for that.

[dusky hearth]

looks like you could probably fit a 240mm or maybe even a 280mm radiator on the top as well from the image

looking at the specs im right

[cyan ravine]

Ez fix
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7TZnHW

I did forget the montech cases are like one of the only decent ones that use 140's lol

903 is the same

[distant yoke]

Were did the specs for the fans show, went to the amazon link and don't see it. Also, is the 240mm a double fan instead of the single actauly fit. Or a radiator fit and work better?

[cyan ravine]

Don't really need a different cooler here

The A620 competes with 240mm coolers

[cyan ravine]

I can give a couple links but I feel like I'll burn out your brain again

[distant yoke]

Well, not sure if they meant for the a620 or for the place of the case fans or both and just jumbled it

[cyan ravine]

https://www.arctic.de/en/P14-Max-White/ACFAN00304A
https://www.arctic.de/en/P12-Max/ACFAN00280A
https://hwbusters.com/cooling/arctic-p14-max-140mm-review-the-best-140mm-fan/
https://hwbusters.com/cooling/arctic-p12-max-showdown-black-dbb-vs-white-fdb/10/

[distant yoke]

Its morning, just trying to really look and ask whatever I can actually think of

[cyan ravine]

Last link has fdb vs dbb, ignore the dbb, they're all fdb now

Even the black ones

Without explaining it, fdb is just better

[cyan ravine]

You can stick to the ones it comes with imo

The extra fans were for the case fans, I figured that's what the goal was lol

Understanding fan science can be really difficult, but these are basically really strong performance for a ridiculously low price

I use tons of arctic stuff these days, I'd swear by them

All my PC's use their fans as they're the cheapest best pick in my country

Thermalright would be an alternative pick imo if you want something that's still good but a different brand

I normally run my max fans up to about, 40-50%? Fan speed

They stay dead quiet that way

But are more than strong enough for my PC cooling

[distant yoke]

I mean, I'm fine with the fans you setup in the recent build to fit the need. Just wasn't sure about other spot and size pllacement

[cyan ravine]

Ah alr

[distant yoke]

Like could I put them in the top and put 120mm in the front

[cyan ravine]

You could if you want to

[distant yoke]

Replacing the 140mm

[cyan ravine]

As long as you do 3 front 1 rear the case will be strong

The front to back layout is the ideal layout for standard cases and airflow

[distant yoke]

Ok, airflow was another priority for my build

[cyan ravine]

Especially since you will have a big tower cooler in the middle with the gpu, it'll push it all towards that, the top fans can sometimes siphon cool air away from the PC parts if they're exhaust

1 exhaust fan in the back is usually quite effective

Just having an open top for heat to convect upwards can be fine as it is

Though with the fans running in that situation it'll just be pushed almost entirely rearwards

I think I'm overcomplicating a bit again

Basically either way it'll be fine lmao

As long as the standard layout for the case is obeyed, then extra fans or changed fans won't hurt it, only help at most

[devout ocean]

So I think I've decided to return this i912900 for the i5 14600, but question-

I already got this Lian Li AIO. It's around 15 bucks more expensive than the air cooler I had my eye on. Would it last long enough for future use with a more powerful CPU if I ever needed to get one, or am I trying to think way too far ahead and complicate things

Also I know I won't NEED an AIO for this CPU, but could I still receive any benefit from it later down the road with wear and tear of other stuff?

[distant yoke]

@cyan ravine apologizes to bother ya some more. I k ow you put 2 ssds, would it be a good idea to leave one out and add an hdd/keep both and still add hdd/just use hdd as an external drive? Or it'd be too much?

[stoic island]

Very long term reliability wise, AIOs will do worse than tower coolers, the pump is an extra moving part that can fail and ruin it. All you really need is a thermalright peerless assassin 120 or equivalent, and thermalright does also have cheaper AIOs too.

[stoic island]

Since SSD prices are still good, I'd rather not recommend getting hdds at this point unless you need more than 4tb of storage that you won't need to touch, as you can always just buy and add extra hdds down the line as your storage needs grow

[distant yoke]

I mean, i already have a 2tb, that why I asked if just use as a external

So if that nakes sense to not really go for setting up an hdd if ssd alreay combines for more storage

[stoic island]

If you really don't see yourself using more than 2tb right now, you can just not take the second SSD

Personally I ran out of space on my 2tb SSD and grabbed an extra 4tb SSD so I'd recommend starting with 4tb

[distant yoke]

Good point, I know that 1tb isn't alot already if you're just downloading games as they just starting becoming filling storage more from updates or new games being much larger

Leave less space for more games and have 4tb makes it almost no problem

Also that ssds are faster at processing compared to hdds

[rain bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KfNJ8Q any ways to optimize this with all the deals going on? I also think the GPU is out of stock unfortunately

[crimson zinc]

You can save money by going for the 7500f on aliexpress

[rain bloom]

The intel card? Doesn't that make me have to reconfigure the whole build?

[dusky hearth]

amd

[rain bloom]

Oh, gotcha. How much of a downgrade is it?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D2V4VH2C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
This mobo is basically the same as the one I have in my part list?

[stoic island]

Use this bundle
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4730200

$350 for CPU, mobo, ram, and a free 1tb SSD

[rain bloom]

Sweet! GPU and PSU stay the same? Case is saying it will take until january to get here so a bit nervous on that too

[stoic island]

Would probably change the case if it takes that long, GPU and PSU looks fine price wise

[tawny violet]

I'd recommend avoiding that motherboard

Asus Prime boards are absolutely terrible on AM5, hard avoid
(Speaking from personal experience)

[rain bloom]

Hmm, assuming there's not a way to bundle without that one?

[tawny violet]

It's only gonna give you headaches

[stoic island]

Havent seen this case before, but this looks decent at a glance
https://www.newegg.com/black-sama-matx-atx-micro-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-009W-00047

[stoic island]

It's not good but that deal would save you at least $100 either way, and you can work around memory wackiness, and it does still have flashbacks for any other issues

[tawny violet]

I haven't tried to flash it again yet, but it's been a complete nightmare

Not just mem wackiness, but generally completely non-functional wifi and BT

And other random stuff that made no sense

[stoic island]

I don't like Asus bios, and iirc that board is not good for mem OC and might take some tweaking for xmp, but that's fine

[tawny violet]

EXPO worked, but it's only been headaches at every step, it just doesn't want to work

What good is saving money if you'll have to replace it anyway?

[rain bloom]

Slight problem with that case, I think the GPU might be too long

It says it supports 345 nm and the card says the length is 353 nm max

[tawny violet]

Yeah you want to verify that, got myself burned with it before

[rain bloom]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-tuf-rx7900xt-o20g-gaming-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814126628?Item=N82E16814126628
I had to switch to this one because the ASROCK is out of stock, sorry I didn't mention that earlier

[tawny violet]

Is there any cheaper?

Asus cards are usually priced very high for a given GPU

XFX is a good alternative, or Powercolor if you can (assuming you didn't get Asus for looks)

[stoic island]

It's an off the shelf mediatech chip afaik so I'd blame it on just having a bad board/chip instead of the product in general

[rain bloom]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-creator-rx7900xt-ct-20g-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814930128
This one but I was told to stay away from the asrock that aren't the phantoms

[tawny violet]

Do you care about aesthetics?

[rain bloom]

This one is out of stock

[tawny violet]

Cuz the XFX is gonna be significantly cheaper for like the same performance

Same with Powercolor

[rain bloom]

I was super sad when I checked today!

[tawny violet]

But GPUs are sometimes aesthetic choices which I can respect, hence asking

[stoic island]

It's all out of stock below $700 rn

[rain bloom]

That's what I'm seeing too unforunately

I should have probably bought yesterday but I was super sick so I kinda played myself

[stoic island]

Unfortunate long card things

[rain bloom]

Should I wait for the asrock to go back in stock?

[stoic island]

I wouldn't bet on the price if it's still out of stock by Monday

[rain bloom]

But waiting until Monday is safe for most of these deals?

[mossy venture]

Hey just saw this case, the mobo in the bundle is ATX

[stoic island]

The case should support ATX, but I didn't realize it wouldn't support the GPU in the list

[stoic island]

Tech deals generally transfer into Cyber Monday, all the deals are gone after that

[rain bloom]

I'll have to see if I can find a bundle without that mobo since I'm worried about what was said

[stoic island]

I'm not aware of any with a different mobo so I'd try to work with it

[rose torrent]

hey guys, what part causes an entire pc to instantly crash to reboot under load?

[stoic island]

Basically all of it can, what other symptoms are there?

[rose torrent]

well i have some specifics: It crashes during games but not during OCCT CPU test

I know for sure its not the ram because its doing this on both the old and new kit as well

[rose torrent]

it crashed during OCCT Power test in the morning as well

[stoic island]

How about the GPU test?

And is windows crashing and giving bsod or is it just turning off?

[rose torrent]

Nothing happened during heavens benchmark, havent tried OCCT gpu test yet

its turning off as in someone just unplugged my psu

[rose torrent]

and rebooting by itself right after

[stoic island]

Sounds like the PSU, what PSU are you using and what are the other parts?

[rose torrent]

yeah it sounds like my PSU but it can't be that thing is an AX1600i, literally the best on the market

CPU is 12900KS

[mossy venture]

I'd just change case, unless you have it

[rose torrent]

GPU is 4090

Motherboard is Z690 MPG EDGE WIFI DDR4

[mossy venture]

It might be the most expensive but it also is an old model, and no psu is immune to defects or flaws

[stoic island]

How is your GPU connected? Any daisy chaining and any adapters?

[rain bloom]

There were concerns with the MOBO not doing well with AM5 chips, not just the case

[mossy venture]

Its got meh vrms but it's more than enough for a 7600x

[stoic island]

I think there's a chance you're just tripping ocp on one of the rails on the AXi

[mossy venture]

At $350 it is unbeatable value, but you do you

[mossy venture]

Especially with a 12900ks and 4090. The transients between those two are no joke

[rain bloom]

That's a good point. I'm only playing at 1440 so I probably shouldn't be taxing it too badly

[stoic island]

Yea how the 4090 is connected is going to be important

[rose torrent]

four 8 pins going into each of the 12vhpwr sockets like its suppsoed to

[mossy venture]

Did you use two cables daisy chained

[stoic island]

All single cables? Which ports on the AXi are you using for those?

[mossy venture]

And what part of the psu did you plug them into. The axi is a multi rail psu, if its trying to pull too much power from one rail it shuts down

[rose torrent]

yes all single cables

let me check

[stoic island]

Oh apparently OCP on AXi can be selectable through software..? Might want to try upping that in corsair link

[mossy venture]

Or if psu is returnable...

[rose torrent]

ocp??

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7tXV3C/be-quiet-pure-power-12-1000-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-bp005us

[rose torrent]

oh

over current protection?

[stoic island]

over-current-protection

[rose torrent]

well its been in the same place for the last 2 years

[stoic island]

looks like it defaults to 30a per port, you can try upping it to 40a per port

[rose torrent]

no problems until today

[stoic island]

transients are wacky, it could be as simple as a driver update that pushes it slightly over the edge

[rose torrent]

so theres a software i can use to raise the amperage?

[stoic island]

Corsair Link

[rain bloom]

Cases usually come with enough air flow plus the flow from the CPU and GPU to not need more?

[rose torrent]

damn

that "thing" needs a mini usb cable

i wonder if i still have one of those

[stoic island]

The usual 3 stock fans are enough

It is pretty rare to even be able to configure anything on the PSU through software lol

[rain bloom]

https://www.newegg.com/black-corsair-4000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811139156
How about this one?

[stoic island]

that only comes with 2 stock, would prefer to add 1 or 2 more for intake, I don't like how it's at the same pricepoint as most cases with 3 or 4 fans stock lol

[rain bloom]

Gotcha

This is why I consult the pros lol

[stoic island]

like this thing is 10$ cheaper and has 4 fans stock
https://www.newegg.com/white-montech-air-903-max-e-atx-mid-tower-chassis/p/2AM-00CN-00059

[rain bloom]

https://www.newegg.com/black-phanteks-xt-mid-tower/p/N82E16811854133
This one?

[rose torrent]

so get this

I downloaded corsair link and found out that it was preset to multirail

at 40A per rail

[stoic island]

hm

[rose torrent]

I just changed it to single rail and booted up deep rock galactic and havent crashed yet (usually wouldve crashed by now)

[stoic island]

well, that would help since it wouldn't trip off each rail going over due to transients

[rose torrent]

should i change it back to multi rail?

[stoic island]

If it starts crashing again on multi rail then you know tripping ocp on singular rails is the problem

I'd leave it on single rail in general here if you're getting close to the tripping points

AXi is a good enough PSU that has proper OTP even if it gets close to any problems on the singular rails, OCP being single rail and looser is fine

[rose torrent]

So why did this start all of a sudden? Is it because of degredation? Or maybe the other day when i pulled the main breaker on the house

should I RMA?

[stoic island]

My guess is that you were close to the tripping points before, and either degredation on the PSU by capacitor leakage or something like that, or increase in power draw due to driver updates or something of that sort on a single rail.

You can try to RMA and try to get a new PSU from Corsair if you think that's warranted

[rose torrent]

But how? how can i get close to tripping when I have 1600 watts?

its always been on multirail

[rain bloom]

Oofda, the $700 7900xt just sold out

[stoic island]

It's because it's on multirail, when it's on multirail, the OCP protections are separate by each rail

you're probably nowhere near pulling 1600w total

[mossy venture]

Thats not really how psus work

Wattage isn't the only factor

[stoic island]

but you can be going over the 480w limit on the singular slot

[mossy venture]

The axi is also what, 12 years old?

Modern psus are much better with transients

[mossy venture]

Yep, 2012

[stoic island]

Stock board power limit on 4090 is 450w, max on partner boards is 600w, 20ms spikes can be ~10% higher, and sub 1ms spikes can go way higher

AXi being older is likely more sensitive to those sub 1ms spikes

[mossy venture]

And transients on KS cpus, especially oced aren't something to ignore either

Hell could buy a 13600k/14600k and sell the 12900ks for $250+

[stoic island]

there were some good data from testing back when 30 series were tripping psus, lemme see if I can find it

[mossy venture]

I tripped ocp on a thermaltake smart like five times and somehow didn't kill anything

With a 3060 ti

Gotta love skytech

[rain bloom]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-creator-rx7900xt-ct-20g-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814930128
Thoughts on this GPU? My other one went out of stock

[stoic island]

Here's I believe a 2070 super spiking to a max of 70a and 1000w in the timescale of microseconds

[rose torrent]

damn

[stoic island]

would not trust a blower card for a 7900xt lol

[rain bloom]

What makes it a blower card?

[stoic island]

usually we talk about like 20ms spikes, that's spiking in the timescale of 0.4ms

[stoic island]

single fan that blows out to the back

it's mainly designed for servers where you have ridiculous airflow and don't care about noise and only want density

that blower fan will get very loud

[rain bloom]

Gotcha. Should I check amazon for a 7900xt since I'm not seeing any that arent refurbished?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w8hFf7/gigabyte-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-gv-r79xtgaming-oc-20gd

[stoic island]

this is still available
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1743183-REG/gigabyte_gv_r79xtgaming_oc_20gd_radeon_rx_7900_xt.html

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DNHqqs/xfx-rx-79gmercbr-radeon-rx-7900-gre-16-gb-video-card-rx-79gmercbr

[rain bloom]

Would this start to struggle on 1440 stuff? I know the XT is supposed to be able to

[stoic island]

Most games will be fine, it'll struggle on newer stuff like stalker 2

although everything struggles with stalker 2

[rain bloom]

Hmm, that might be worth the save money

[stoic island]

you can just look through reviews and look at the FPS at 1440p and see if you'll be fine with it
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-gre-pulse/

[distant yoke]

I need some advice about os for a new build I've had help with. I know that windows 10 is basically done next year. Should I go for a windows 10 key, if possible upgrade to windows 11 or just go straight for windows 11?

I know based on meeting requirements

I'm just asking if I should try to cheapout on getting a windows 10 key if its possible to upgrade to windows 11 that way

just don't want to pay for 11 if I can upgrade free even if paying for 10 if its cheaper

any suggestions of where to checkout?

oh, alright

[rose torrent]

@stoic island Earlier I had narrowed down the possible culprits to my motherboard, my psu, or my cpu. Seeing that changing my PSU to single rail has (seemingly) fixed the problem. Is it safe to assume that this was solely a PSU issue?

[stoic island]

I would say it's safe to assume the symptoms so far came from the PSU, if anything else happens, it'll be time to do more testing

[distant yoke]

anyone else have advice or suggestions?

[stoic island]

W10 key just transfers over still, install whichever one you feel like, and upgrade if you need to down the line

[devout ocean]

So based on this benchmark test, would anyone say the i5 14400f is more worth it than the i5 14600k for the extra near 10c extra cooling, considering in the video description they claim they used a custom liquid cooler?

https://gyazo.com/b7bfacaa7af46cdf2b320e82a2f20e38

Oh it doesnt expand lemme just get the whole video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1lLrXFpma0

[stoic island]

Extra cooling...?

[devout ocean]

The test shows the 14400 at a 40c where the others hover at 50c

Having OBS on top of that just sounds blech

[stoic island]

It's a chip with a lower power limit and boost clocks and less cores

[devout ocean]

Well of course they're likely recording with something OBS adjascent but streaming tends to demand more

[stoic island]

I wouldn't really call it more cooling, it's just unable to take advantage of any thermal headroom

[devout ocean]

Well the i5 14400 is a total of 187 USD, and the i5 14600 is 201 USD. Would that price change make much a difference

[stoic island]

Also I just looked at the video, keep in mind that even though performance difference is minimal, running stuff like cyberpunk with rt is not very representative of actual performance differences between the CPUs when you would be GPU bound

[stoic island]

Depends on what you're using it for, gaming, not really, productivity, maybe the 4 e cores will help

[devout ocean]

Content creation. Streaming, gaming, moderate amount of multitasking

[stoic island]

If you're just doing content creation on the side, there won't be a big difference

But if you're doing a new build rn, the 7600x bundle is a lot more enticing price wise

[devout ocean]

Nah just some upgrades

One day I'd like to learn about AMD. Just seemed more daunting back when

Kinda still does

[stoic island]

Upgrading from what? 14th gen is not a big upgrade from 13th gen

[devout ocean]

Upgrading from an i3 10th gen

Too many instances where the CPU hit 100 in the task manager

[stoic island]

That's a different platform, you'd have to buy a new mobo and ram either way

[devout ocean]

I bought one a year ago last black friday

And new DDR5 ealier this month

slowly gettin things together

[stoic island]

Yea the reason I would usually advise against that is stuff like the current 7600x bundle with ram and mobo and an SSD for $350

But if it was a year ago you're probably outside the return window for the mobo

[rain bloom]

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-11323-02-20G-Radeon-Gaming-Graphics/dp/B0BR6L7TKR?crid=33D8ED05495L3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.cu0lKEwbcENC43rSHHdnscNmiL_bx5jq_dZOX6QYTEUdDeXk0URLkw1i8Wn7k3KR5Zm-vlVS9HVHtKN7AnhT76n6KdFLZuZGwAicw-EcdyUC01A5Sg-VZrsWmtU7tHthw4BQ2EaDxYKWuXCnY8DG_N484oFQTYu7WOajC8eL9xjDspvCzm1459OTaqKbbwoZb62UF718MzgoYj0a7_ZXqtGm_vReg0LVUaTX-dhnLb0._YIsXhV-2R-o9BuDCf1NrZU5hVXKGNDV70NrNWPNYkI&dib_tag=se&keywords=7900+xt&qid=1733004022&sprefix=7900+xt%2Caps%2C128&sr=8-3
Thoughts on this GPU?

[stoic island]

It's good, nothing wrong with it

[rain bloom]

Wait does the 7600x not come with a cooler?

[potent portal]

It does not. The non-X does. The 7600X has a higher power limit and AMD knows the Wraith isn't enough for 120W.

[rain bloom]

Well that kinda stinks

[potent portal]

(not that a 7600X will ever get near 120W but that's not the point)

[rain bloom]

So I pay more for the X and have to buy a cooler huh

[potent portal]

It's technically higher performance too, by a little bit

[stoic island]

Free ssd and also the bundle lol

[rain bloom]

Yeah but add in a cooler cost, which I have no idea how much that costs or what to buy

[potent portal]

$15

[rain bloom]

That makes me feel a bit better

[stoic island]

Like a $20 assassin X

[potent portal]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FDWPCWZ?th=1

[stoic island]

7600x is not a hard chip to cool

[potent portal]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C53KMVNY

$18 and change right now

[crimson zinc]

I have officially paid for the 1080ti and it’s here on Tuesday

[devout ocean]

Is AMD typically considered to be cheaper for equal quality to Intel? I remember a couple years back it was about even

[stoic island]

Currently reputation wise Intel has really blundered

Performance wise the mid end are about equivalent, but x3d beats out everything Intel has

For gaming that is

[potent portal]

AMD is cheaper for better in a lot of places

[crimson zinc]

Intel CPUs are a bit of a blunder, as he said
AMD has a lot of deals a lot of the time

Intel gpus and AMD gpus are around the same price/perf at low range

[potent portal]

Gaming? 9800X3D > 7800X3D > 14900K

And of course there's the new embarrassment of the 285K which can often be worse than the 12400 at gaming

[stoic island]

We don't talk about core ultra smh

[devout ocean]

I've heard it was bad but damn

[glass loom]

can anyone help me with some questions about downloading and installing windows for a new pc

[cyan ravine]

Agree with what Mr1111 said. If you are comfortable with the SSD storage you already have though, you can just use that and ignore the SSD's I put. I saw you had 4TB in your original list so I mimicked that. I normally suggest 2TB lol

But yeah if you need more, that specific SSD is excellent performance and value right now

[distant yoke]

2tb i have is an harddrive I got way before

[cyan ravine]

Ah yeah you definitely, absolutely want at least 1 SSD for windows

Lol

The difference in speed is tremendous having windows on there

[distant yoke]

yeah, I was told that way before

store for everything else on the second storage

[cyan ravine]

Nowadays you'll find having many games on SSD to be almost necessary

But yeah many things you can still tuck away on an old HDD

Including older games or single player games

[distant yoke]

that sounds like a good idea, a friend actually does that

[brittle spindle]

My eBay m.2 died

[distant yoke]

hey @cyan ravine I would like to know if there are other gpus that are similar to the one you put in the build that would be fine too, price can vary. just like other options if that's doable. if not, that's alright https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7TZnHW

[cyan ravine]

Sure

Used 3080, RX 6800 (new/used)

6800XT used

The 1st and 3rd suggested are faster

7800XT is a little more for a lot more performance

6750XT/6700XT new/used

A little slower, but great value

[shut rampart]

hmm do I use h.264 or 264x for video encoder on obs

[cyan ravine]

Often a little cheaper

[cyan ravine]

You should use h.265 these days for most stuff

[shut rampart]

dont have 265

[cyan ravine]

Or AV1 if the website you use or app supports it

Well 264 is pretty universal

I think quicktime is also pretty good too

[shut rampart]

isn't that mac

[cyan ravine]

Next to newer codecs tho you can def notice a difference

Yes

Vlc plays quicktime tho iirc

It's been many years however, I may be wrong on that last part

[distant yoke]

ok, I might be confused on the gpu brand. is it the same one or other brand name?

[shut rampart]

3080 is nvdia 6800 is amd

[cyan ravine]

As long as the gpu doesn't say "ventus" or "mech" you should be fine

And yeah they'll be amd or nvidia

And from several sub brands of either

[distant yoke]

ah, ok

no ventus which I obviously wasn't looking at right now

[cyan ravine]

Haha

[shut rampart]

downgrade is there an ignore button

[cyan ravine]

What the heck

Oh enhanced

[shut rampart]

what does enhanced do

[cyan ravine]

Isn't that the av1 stuff

[shut rampart]

[cyan ravine]

I think it might be

[shut rampart]

ok how to disable

[cyan ravine]

You just continue streaming ig?

[shut rampart]

yeah but annoying pop up

[cyan ravine]

Hmm not sure

I haven't streamed to twitch in a hot minute

[shut rampart]

hmm I bought a 7900x and the 8000 comes out jan can I just return my 7900

[mossy venture]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/405391145597?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=oafcbxkxrvy&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Oh read desc

Maybe not lmao

[shut rampart]

dead / broken

[distant yoke]

[shut rampart]

and very dirty

[mossy venture]

Just a fan dead

Card works but would need work

Id pass

$390 good condition
https://www.ebay.com/itm/176712358970?

[distant yoke]

honestly, anything ebay is a big nah fam, from me

[mossy venture]

Fair

r/hardwareswap is great

[loud oxide]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JKhMcx Is this good (for Minecraft)

[cyan ravine]

Can make that a fair bit better I think

[distant yoke]

@cyan ravine would this still be good, it a model below the gpu in the build. https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Speedster-QICK309-Graphics-RX-76TQICKBP/dp/B0CRZFB47P/ref=sr_1_6?c=ts&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1Q4GdqjbTsLmOKyU-3zJZgVCfSHvduPgXw2orzzpfKfSfqxiSGcweTBlk7R2cO_jx5psqGk3sQ3rgcQ_ibHniQY9EW-qfTV3znvUMm1kO5dQdZaiEsFvVPYb3ADXh8d5HzAjx1WFEV9P0tQPxXBbmv3pVcnmqlT3KK0ToxoGHb0zdvxyYjwzE3RQNzHZBVVeJNthdoBnhp4wWUlHLv4buxeJaXJs30HIxkrAGRA9cY5BNGsmlaZQ33WExOrmScrDrPr2DRyri9o0pNXbD4aewRNSIQ0kGZQPgWWcwmCOx5o.DTt9C3CiBIiMuB3hkve3EtF9YVXjcr5tHrlWNV9nS9g&dib_tag=se&keywords=Computer%2BGraphics%2BCards&qid=1733022404&refinements=p_36%3A-64000%2Cp_n_feature_browse-bin%3A23883927011|23883932011%2Cp_n_feature_twenty_browse-bin%3A23572110011&rnid=23572106011&s=electronics&sr=1-6&ts_id=284822&th=1

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4730200

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sqyH99/gigabyte-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7600-xt-16-gb-video-card-gv-r76xtgaming-oc-16gd

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pk7scf/powercolor-fighter-radeon-rx-6750-xt-12-gb-video-card-axrx-6750-xt-12gbd6-3dh

One of those

[cyan ravine]

Here we go@loud oxide

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RsxrVF

Same price, same specs

WAY BETTER quality

The board especially

The b650-s is ewaste, gaming is $10 more and can handle upgrades unless the other one

Case is pretty similar, if you don't like it, can flick back

Cooler slightly better

Ram slightly better

Gpu way better

$10 for much better QC

The mouse you can go back to the G502 if you like the shape but the G305 is a much better reviewed mouse if you're fine with a more general shape

Keyboard way better

Though idk if you can increase budget at all, if you could do another $100 I'd bump the monitor up as Joe said to 1440p

There's a really nice mini-LED one for 190

The SSD btw is free

Which is why that all fit

But you need to buy newegg

[cyan ravine]

Personally I'd steer clear of a 7600XT, they're literally 7600's just with extra vram they can't really use

But they do work in workstations better than the 4060ti 16gb despite marketing to similar people which is ironic

But for games yeah, just a glorified 7600

Gaming wise they're about 1-2% different

The 7700XT is a huge jump over both

[distant yoke]

ok, guess I should stick with the build you crafted for me

[cyan ravine]

I mean I'm happy to answer to curious questions haha

They don't really tell you this stuff in the marketing

[distant yoke]

yeah, I would figure

only way is from people who actually look into it and check em out

[cyan ravine]

Hell yeah

[distant yoke]

anyway, thanks for your and others help this weekend

[cyan ravine]

All good, happy to help

[distant yoke]

gonna holdout till cyber monday and see if certain things change if not, I'll just go for it

[mossy venture]

g2724d is 150 still iirc

and there's open box/refurb options in the 120ish area

[cyan ravine]

If you know a good one for 120 I'd get behind that

The mini LED at 190 is just so good tho otherwise lol

[manic cloak]

So recently I updated my bios & my OpenRGB won't work

Redownloaded it, tried turning the aura on and off, slient (asus tuf gaming) nothing is working though

Do I have to redownload armory crate?

[cyan ravine]

Have you tried windows dynamic lighting settings

If it's not in there then yeah, you may need to re-download armoury crate to get the drivers needed to handshake the RGB control to windows again

A little annoying but if it added WDL control then I'd look to transition to that

What's better than one unified RGB app? OS-based control. Windows dynamic lighting

The future

[manic cloak]

Ya WDL is on but nothing's working

amazing future

[manic cloak]

strange though is that openrgb detects my motherboard and my mouse

but it can't detect my case fan or CPU fan

I changed through all the settings too

[bitter mason]

are they connected to the motherboard with a typical 3-pin? If so, detecting the motherboard is all you need

[manic cloak]

Ya open RGB can detect the motherboard and armory crate is changing all the fan lights, I know the CPU fan is connected to one of the RGB 3 pins, then the case fans are on another

[marsh kiln]

What cpu should I keep a look out for? Looking at am4 platform, needs to be able to do some games like gta 5, phas, FiveM, stardew, minecraft, Sims. I have been looking at ryzen 5 5500 and up or like a ryzen 7 3700x maybe depending what deal I can find used. Like to stay around 100 or under. I'd say anything ryzen 5 3600 and down is out as I'd like it to last for a bit before needing to replace it

[manic cloak]

Just OpenRGB can't control the fans weirdly

[manic cloak]

Are you building a PC or do you already own parts?

[bitter mason]

any chance armoury crate is interfering? tbh I'd uninstall that. It's just crap bloatware imo

[manic cloak]

not kidding with you I just reinstalled it to see if armory crate would fix the issue cause I few days ago I updated bios & it wiped most of my settings

[marsh kiln]

Building, actually building one for my gf for Christmas

[analog hearth]

Go with the 3700X

[manic cloak]

Or if you have a microcenter nearby, 5500 + 25$ off any cpu coupon

[bitter mason]

in my Z790 Apex's BIOS, there's a thing at the top for "Aura" you can click on to turn it on/off/stealth. Is it set to on?

[marsh kiln]

2.5 hour drive one way

[manic cloak]

might aswell just go with a used version or 3700x

[loud oxide]

Got busy, I’ll read this thanks

[bitter mason]

no way you can squeeze $25 into the budget?

[manic cloak]

I think it's on off, but also Night might aswell go buy a 7500F and a cheap a620/b650

[marsh kiln]

Could, I'll keep that on my mind

Finding cpu hold their value going by used prices so if can't find a decent deal on one might just go spend the extra and get a new one

[bitter mason]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305922521399?

$200 OBO

[marsh kiln]

If I could get a bent pin cpu that'd be amazing but them things are still almost new prices

[manic cloak]

@bitter mason it’s on all on weirdly enough

[bitter mason]

is there a splitter or extension?

[manic cloak]

Wdym?

Like on the headers itself?

If you meant bios that’s all I have

Plus I’m trying to also not have the issue where the RGB stays on after I shut down

[cyan ravine]

Think open RGB makes that a constant problem iirc

I never used that program for very long, very flakey

[manic cloak]

I was recommended it 😭

[bitter mason]

I meant is it possible that there's a physical issue with the connection

hmm it's weird to me to disagree with Felix but I've used OpenRGB without issues for like 3-4 years now lol

[manic cloak]

But the RGB staying on after is a bios problem itself, I had that changed with the aura tab way before I uninstalled armory

[bitter mason]

it's a little beta ig but lol

[manic cloak]

Possibly, cause my fans weren’t detected from the start

They were only considered under the motherboard tab, no separate section

[bitter mason]

if they're connected to the 3-pin, it's not going to detect them directly tho

it has no idea what's on the header

like LED-strip, pump, fan, it has no idea

[cyan ravine]

They ain't wrong I just personally struggle with it

[bitter mason]

it just sends a data signal to whatever is on there

ig let me back up a bit here

[bitter mason]

the issue is that the fans don't light up at all or that it doesn't identify the fans in OpenRGB

[manic cloak]

Just to reference, I have top right and the one beneath my finger plugged in

Both 3 pins

[bitter mason]

something is borked on my discord rn cuz the last two pictures haven't come in. Let me restart it

[manic cloak]

😭 all good

[bitter mason]

weird it works now

heckin discord

[manic cloak]

I’ll try uninstalling armory crate

But I don’t think that’s the issue atm, I think bios resetting really goofed it up

[bitter mason]

are you using the header next to it?

[manic cloak]

Wdym?

[bitter mason]

try moving it over unless it's hard to get to lol

[manic cloak]

I have my case fans on header 2

My cpu on 1

[bitter mason]

aren't both of these aRGB headers?

[manic cloak]

Yes

I could try

[bitter mason]

oh so both are currently in use?

[loud oxide]

I think I can do another hundred, so can you help me find one?

[bitter mason]

top one too?

[manic cloak]

Nono, at the bottom is “2 and 3” only 2 is used for the case fans, 1 is being used for the cpu cause it’s the only closest RGB header.

[bitter mason]

ah okay so you could move it to 3 since it's not used currently

also, I'd set OpenRGB to run as admin or it acts kinda borked sometimes. The first time it has to be run as admin afik

[manic cloak]

I’ll try ya

[cyan ravine]

XV275U P3 on B&H only, is a top-class 1440p mini-LED monitor that beats basically everything else near it in price

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/acer/nitro-xv275u-p3biipx
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7QsV3C/acer-nitro-xv275u-p3-270-2560-x-1440-170-hz-monitor-umhxxaa302

[manic cloak]

I’m going to uninstall armory first

See if anything happens

[cyan ravine]

I can't click that link @loud oxide but it should say $189.99

[bitter mason]

if you have a desktop icon to launch OpenRGB you can set it to always run as admin by right clicking on it & going to properties then Shortcut>Advanced & checking the Run as Administrator box

[loud oxide]

Which one?

[manic cloak]

Ya it’s running as admin after uninstalling, nothing. I’ll try swapping

[bitter mason]

Also on OpenRGB, is "Zone" set to "All Zones"

[manic cloak]

Yes it is

Applied to all aswell

[bitter mason]

see if you drop down the menu & select a specific addressable header if it changes anything

another thing that's really odd on my board at least

you see where it says "Mode"

[cyan ravine]

I linked it just now in the chat scroll up a bit lol

[bitter mason]

if I leave it on "direct" it doesn't light all the LEDs

if I change it to "Static" it affects all LEDs lol

[loud oxide]

I see it now, yea I think I can do it

[cyan ravine]

Worth imo

[manic cloak]

I changed all zones, it affects all of the board but no fans, I changed to static, I can’t change the zone.

[cyan ravine]

Mini-LED is like, just below OLED for high end screens

[bitter mason]

it shows the name of your motherboard?

[cyan ravine]

So I'm all for it, but the 1080p screen is fine if you change your mind

[loud oxide]

I see, is there anything else I should change? Btw I’m going to use the build you said to use.

[manic cloak]

Indeed it does

[cyan ravine]

Apart from that nah it's decent now

Enjoy the PC man

[bitter mason]

I only know of one motherboard it had issues with which was my MSI Z490 Gaming Carbon Wifi not Asus... heck let me check something

[loud oxide]

Thanks a lot

[bitter mason]

which TUF board do you have again?

[manic cloak]

Z690

D4

WiFi

[bitter mason]

btw AromouryCrate gets so deep into your system that Asus has a tool to uninstall it lol

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-z690-plus-wifi-d4/helpdesk_download?model2Name=TUF-GAMING-Z690-PLUS-WIFI-D4

[manic cloak]

😭

[bitter mason]

you gotta click there to see it on the website

The description says:

Use the Uninstall tool to remove Armoury Crate and AURA Creator related components if encounter any issue that need to re-trigger Armoury Crate & AURA Creator Installer to fix.

so maybe using the tool might even unbork it

[manic cloak]

I remember doing this like a year ago

[analog hearth]

Don't use their uninstalled. Use Revo Uninstaller. It'll get rid of all of Armoury Crate

[manic cloak]

Uhhh I don't think it's normal that all of my lights just went from solid of each rainbow color before going rainbow

And Open still doesn't work, downloading revo now

[bitter mason]

did you do any of these firmware updates? I thought there might be lighting control firmware update but unfortuntely I don't see one. Maybe at least run the FW check tool

[manic cloak]

I didn't do any firmware updates

god

I shouldn't of updated my bios

[bitter mason]

tbh usually they say, "don't update BIOS unless you have a problem" but here, you kinda have to because the Intel Microcode update prevents your CPU from degrading itself

[manic cloak]

my last bios update was from 11/30/22

but then again who knows how long ago that issue started

[bitter mason]

I have a 13600K I beat the crap out of doing benchmarking & tried to use it in my son's PC & it would crash loading any Unreal Engine games so it's definitely possible to bork them

[analog hearth]

I’m surprised you can even get OpenRGB to function on your Asus motherboard. For some reason, it crashes my whole system, which has happened on two separate Asus motherboards

[bitter mason]

I think I've only ever had one Asus board & haven't tried using it on there lol

[manic cloak]

I think my 13600k has been cooked for awhile

I wouldn't be surprised

plus with ddr4?

[analog hearth]

Honestly wonder if it's my memory that blocks OpenRGB. After all, troubleshooting goes back to memory, rather than my specific motherboard. The only similarity in systems between these two boards I’ve tried ORGB on is the memory

[bitter mason]

btw you tried clicking this ig?

[manic cloak]

Oh i've been clicking it

[manic cloak]

I wonder if that's also why my openrgb takes a fat minute to open up too

cause it will load and load before even popping up

[bitter mason]

eh do you have any monitoring software running? like hwinfo or something

[manic cloak]

I do have hwinfo

cpu z

[manic cloak]

well running atm? no

except for the hundreds of razer, windows, amd, and somehow asus software in the lower 0.10% usage in task manager, nothing else

[bitter mason]

apparently there can be an issue with accessing the SMBus or something

[manic cloak]

SMBus?

[bitter mason]

Razer?

[manic cloak]

synapse

yes I know, worst software

[bitter mason]

can't that control RGB?

[manic cloak]

On the mouse yes

only if I ever touched the RGB settings on there

which I haven't

plus OpenRGB allows me to change my mouse led's

[bitter mason]

I have a couple of those Razer ARGB boxes

[manic cloak]

so I doubt that's the issue

[bitter mason]

& OpenRGB controls them fine

it doesn't detect the Razer mouse?

[manic cloak]

It does detect the mouse

welp

[bitter mason]

& changes RGB on it?

[manic cloak]

maybe that's why

[bitter mason]

Opera GX?

[manic cloak]

I don't know how

But if razer is telling me opera.. somethings up

hmm

I turned it off, nothing

[bitter mason]

can you turn off Opera GX entirely?

[manic cloak]

Ya I just closed it

[bitter mason]

does your RAM have RGB also?

my bad if you told me this already

lol

[manic cloak]

no it doesn't, and I haven't

I'm going to change it to stealth in bios

Or enable ErP

hold on

[bitter mason]

I think that only applies to when it's in shut down state

but if you think it might help ig it can't hurt

btw iirc OpenRGB has an OpenRazer plug-in to control Razer devices

[cyan ravine]

Still going???

[bitter mason]

lol ya

did you know Opera Browser can control RGB?

that was news to me

[cyan ravine]

Has he updated all the drivers using armoury crate

[cyan ravine]

Like, all??

[bitter mason]

these at least lol #building-and-recc-chat message

[cyan ravine]

Wtf

BROWSER CONTROL?

How do you do that

I need to know

[bitter mason]

the problem with RGB is there's too many damn programs lol

[cyan ravine]

Does it need internet

[bitter mason]

I have no clue I just found out it existed like 10 minutes ago lol

[cyan ravine]

Wtf

Man if they weren't dumping data to China then I'd be all over that like a house on fire

[bitter mason]

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming/rog-and-opera-join-forces-for-a-special-edition-of-opera-gx-the-browser-for-gamers/

[cyan ravine]

Someone needs to extract that module and run it in a contained html

[bitter mason]

maybe Asus gets more data to mine or something than just ArmouryCrate alone? lol

[cyan ravine]

That would be like

The ENDGAME

[cyan ravine]

I'm dying to know if that can work standalone

Wild if it can

[bitter mason]

There's a ROG edition of Opera apparently https://www.opera.com/computer/thanks?ni=eapgx&utm_source=ASUS&utm_medium=ASUS&utm_campaign=ASUS&edition=ASUS

[manic cloak]

nope

[bitter mason]

lol I have a Thermaltake Mouse that doesn't sync with TTRGB+

I hate RGB lately

mostly cuz my Thermaltake fan/rgb boxes have been acting like TT fan/rgb boxes

randomly doing rainbox nonsense during games

even after I set them to not turn off for power saving in device manager

[manic cloak]

geninuely going to crashout

I'm going to install armory again

[bitter mason]

do you need Synapse for mouse-related things?

[manic cloak]

figure out what needs updated

[manic cloak]

ya, I have modes on there to switch between for gaming

But the RGB part of synapse isn't even downloaded

[cyan ravine]

When Asus updates bios often need driver updates with armoury crate

[bitter mason]

& always updates Intel Management Engine irreversibly lol

[manic cloak]

so what's intel management engine

[bitter mason]

lol I'm not even really sure tbh

useless bloatware from the looks of it https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000008927/software/chipset-software.html

at least on desktops

[manic cloak]

Okay well

Drivers are updated

somehow OpenRGB has priority over armory

Armory can detect the "addressable RGB strips" aka my fans

but openrgb can't

[wraith trail]

can some one tell me if this is good or should change somethings https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jQPskf

[mossy venture]

The list is privated

[wraith trail]

fixed it

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xhjcqH

Cheaper, same performance

If you're adverse tho
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v44CLc

By the time you upgrade, flipping the board and cpu will net less value loss

I lean the way of AM5 if the difference is less than 50

The A850GL is fine btw if you prefer Pebble

The Dan A3 however is a much better AP201

[wraith trail]

if i plan to upgrade in the future what would u recomend

[cyan ravine]

You could spend a little more on it and get the would panel

[cyan ravine]

A850GL

[wraith trail]

becase i plan on getting a 4070 ti super or 4080s

[cyan ravine]

Either cpu would run that gpu no probs

But A850GL if you do that

[wraith trail]

ok then. thanks

[cyan ravine]

Here

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c8jcqH

Included the wood version of the case if you're curious

$15 over the regular/AP201

[wraith trail]

hmm still cheaper than what i had so I guess ill get it

[cyan ravine]

A3 is a really nice case

The wood panel makes the whole package premium feeling

The standard front panel feels a little cheap

Side by side it's not a dealbreaker though

Pick by your preference

[wraith trail]

yeah I was plann to keep on my desk this time around cause ive always had my computer on the flor or a shelf

[cyan ravine]

Think the only thing to remember with the Dan is if you get the standard one then the psu fan can't be against it

If you get the wood then you can

The wood one has mesh behind it

But this is purely the front panel

They're otherwise identical

[wraith trail]

so wood one also make my life easier. you sold me on it

[cyan ravine]

Yeah if you like the look haha

Very nice case, it fits just about anything with an mATX motherboard

[manic cloak]

@bitter mason @cyan ravine Just realized that "aura addressable 1, 2, and 3" means which 3 pin on the board.

So it's definitely a openRGB/asus problem, cause neither 1 or 2 is being detected

[cyan ravine]

If you don't pick all on in bios iirc it causes issues

Specifically for when it's running, if you want RGB off when it's off you use the separate option

[analog hearth]

Can confirm this. I love my A3

Makes for an adorable little server

[frail valve]

My brother bought Stalker 2 and forgot his pc was only mid-end, from before the pandemic. Its underpowered and barely gets above the minimum specs of the game. (both the amazon listing and pcp approximation is linked)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y66Xv4
https://a.co/d/6ZbBv7T
now i've made a build of what may be a good upgrade in pcp as well (keeping the motherboard, case, and psu), but i'd like some advice/second opinions because i know im not the best when it comes to higher end pc building
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zxxYHW

also before you ask, no he didnt give a budget. he just said to get "whatever is good". I respect his flexibility buy, respectfully, I don't think he understands just how expensive GPUs are

[mossy venture]

I'm not too sure that psu will handle a 7800xt

Could also do this instead
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4730200&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-Combo.4730200-_-11292024

[limpid hatch]

So I'm looking to upgrade my rig since my old one's a bit old in the tooth; some newer and upcoming games - such as Monster Hunter: We've Got Fluffy Babby Raptors Now - are no longer supporting my graphics card since it's just That Old, and I've been led to believe that my MoBo would bottleneck peformance from a lot of newer graphics cards.

I'd like to make sure I only upgrade, but unfortunately, I've never been able to get into keeping up with hardware. Which is to say: I don't know what ranges of products I shold be looking at at a minimum.

At present, I've got:
Intel Core i7 4790k
32 GB of RAM (DDR3, because it's that old)
GTX 980 Ti

Can anyone give me a baseline on what I should be looking for now?

[frail valve]

Bring the micro center shill that I am, if I were to do that I'd rather get tgdbunfle that's here. That is good deal tho

[mossy venture]

Thats fair, the 7600x3d is around 15% better and that mobo is much better

The one on wegg does also come with a 1tb ssd

[frail valve]

You're right, upped the power supply to an rm750e

[boreal notch]

I'm looking at upgrading to DDR5 which includes getting a new motherboard. With that I was also considering switching to a Ryzen CPU instead of intel. My CPU is good but l want something more powerful for the stuff I run. My GPU is a RX 6900 XT and CPU is i7-12700F. I'm looking for a motherboard, ram, and CPU and I don't know where to start.

[mossy venture]

Unfortunately the most sensible upgrade from that, either the 7800x3d or 9800x3d, are both very overpriced atm, unless you have a micrcocenter nearby

If you can get one ~$450, or if you want to check out the used market that would be a good option

Otherwise there wouldn't be a very noticeable increase over the 12700f. 13600kf at $175 is solid, but 13600k with ddr5 is maybe 15% better than a 12700f on ddr4

[boreal notch]

I think I found one at my micro center, its showing a r7 7800x3d for $439. are there any differences in specs or are all 7800x3d the same?

[dusky hearth]

there's only 1 chip that's called the 7800x3d

and it's the 7800x3d

lol

[mossy venture]

Get the 7600x3d, 7800x3d, or 9800x3d bundle there

Thats your best bet 100%

[dusky hearth]

they're all binned to be around the same performance, but the main benefit for x3d is the extra cache

[mossy venture]

7600x3d is about 5% worse than the 7800x3d in games. 9800x3d is 10-15% better than the 7800

Any of them is more than enough for your 6900xt at any resolution

[boreal notch]

its showing the 9800x3d as out of stock

yeah unfortunately its showing all the bundles as out of stock

[mossy venture]

Ooof

What about the 7700x bundle?

Idk if you mean all the bundles or just the x3d bundles, sorry if that was a stupid question

[boreal notch]

I found a bundle with the r7 7700x, gigabyte B650 gaming x ax v2, G.skill flare x5 series 32GB DDR5-6000 kit for $399.99

is that a worthwhile investment over my current rig?

I've also been assuming my current cooler is compatible with a new CPU but I'm not entirely sure

I've got a DeepCool AK620

its saying its got AM4 socket compatibility and this new CPU is AM5

[dusky hearth]

iirc am5 uses the same mounting as am4

[boreal notch]

from what I've looked up, the 7700x outperforms my current CPU better than a 7800x3d would

[stoic island]

What are you going to be using it for?

7800x3d is noticeably better than 7700x for gaming

[boreal notch]

Mainly gaming, is it worth holding off for the 7800x3d?

I’m mostly doing this for DDR5 but if I’m not gonna get that big of a jump for my cpu then I can wait

[rain bloom]

Any chance 7900XT will come back in stock tomorrow? I'm not seeing anything under $700 anywhere anymore

If not is there an equivalent NVIDIA card or am I price spiking at that point?

[stoic island]

If you're looking at microcenter bundles, 7600x3d bundle has been in stock near me at least

[boreal notch]

Not at mine unfortunately

The 7700x is the only bundle they have. It seems like a solid upgrade and a decent deal but if won’t change my performance much I can hold off

Or I guess if it’s just smarter to wait until I can get a 7800x3d or 9800x3d

[stoic island]

This seems to be in stock and sold by asrock if you look at options
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CST1D8CD

[stoic island]

Upgrading from 12700 right? You can get an idea of the relative performance here, this is TPU's charts, tested with 4090, game specific benchmarks are available on their review page

Oh discord compression kinda ruins it, actual review here:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/19.html

9800x3d review since newer and also has numbers from 7800x3d

[boreal notch]

So that’s not really a jump in performance for 7700x I guess. So probably better to wait?

Will I see anything drastic when switching to DDR5 as well or is it nothing crazy?

[stoic island]

Upgrading to ddr5 will help, it's another like 5% performance gain

[manic cloak]

All on has been on though

[shut rampart]

my pc sucks

[hearty oracle]

cant decide if i wanna upgrade my current pc or look for a decent prebuild and leave this one as a garage computer. here are the specs: MSI B550M PRO-VDH, RTX 3050 8GB GDDR6, AMD Ryzen 5 5600G , Ripjaws DDR4 RAM 32GB (4x16GB)CL18-22-22-42, Segotep 600W Power Supply 80 Plus Gold. in a Metallic Gear Neo Air White ATX Mid-tower.

thoughts? budget is about 500 to 1000 ( i have more but depends on other projects in the house hahah)

main use is gaming, 3d modeling/coding (dabbling not professional), and heavy multi-tasking.

[mossy venture]

Imo I'd replace and build your own

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4730200&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-Combo.4730200-_-11292024

$356 for cpu mobo ram and ssd

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sBcHBq

[hearty oracle]

thanks ill take a look at these, about how much more "power" would this be? im about 60% cpu usage, and 45% memory, and 25% gpu with just 2 programs for models and 3 tabs of google open.

[mossy venture]

3050 is slightly worse than a 2060, 7700xt is like 10% better than a 2080 ti

Thats gotta be like a 60% upgrade?

Cpu something like a 40-45% upgrade

[hearty oracle]

so a decent upgrade then!

[mossy venture]

100%

And that cpu mobo ram bundle is fantastic value

If you'd spend a bit more 7800xt is worth the extra imo

[fleet pagoda]

Is a 750w psu enough for an i7 14700k 4070

Upgrading from i5 12600k 3060 ti

[analog hearth]

If Dell can put a 320W PSU with an i7 and a Radeon GPU, 750W should be fine

[fleet pagoda]

Dell is so real for that

[mossy venture]

What model?

[plucky adder]

so like this list has all the things my current pc has but I changed the monitor to one that I am going to get soon. Could someone review this real quick and let me know if there are any things that won't work together? Primarily the GPU with the monitor's capabilities. the main use is for fps gaming. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZF2x6Q

[mossy venture]

Yes it's all compatible but that gpu will not handle 1440p high refresh rate

It honestly might not handle 1440p60fps in some games

[plucky adder]

are there any gpu that you would recommend that won’t break my bank acc

[mossy venture]

The wording in your message is a bit unclear, you alr own everything but the monitor?

[plucky adder]

yes i have everything on there except the monitor

[mossy venture]

Ah alr

Id just downgrade monitor to 1440p 144-170hz and then upgrade gpu when you can

[plucky adder]

i built this pc about 2 years ago but i wanted to upgrade the monitor

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt do the m27q-x anymore anyways, there's better priced monitors

Mini LED would be a much nicer experience for most people
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7QsV3C/acer-nitro-xv275u-p3-270-2560-x-1440-170-hz-monitor-umhxxaa302

[plucky adder]

i’d prefer an ips panel if you have any recommendations for those

[mossy venture]

Or $150 for an IPS panel thats actually better than the m27q-x, just lower refresh rate
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vyqrxr/dell-g2724d-270-2560-x-1440-165-hz-monitor-g2724d

[mossy venture]

Why?

I just went from an x27q to a mini led slightly nicer than the acer p3, real HDR is very nice for games

Colors look better than anything the x27q could show

[plucky adder]

i don’t mind slightly worse colors in exchange for faster performance

[mossy venture]

?

Wdym?

[plucky adder]

i also just don’t like VA panels

[mossy venture]

Mini LED is nothing like regular VA.
https://youtu.be/W9669HalZoM?si=UD0ygnTTMlqZ_WhS

This is technichally "faster" than the acer one, but by a very small margin and is not really worth the $60 difference
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kJP8TW/aoc-q27g3xmn-270-2560-x-1440-180-hz-monitor-q27g3xmn

[plucky adder]

thanks, i’ll look into that monitor

if i do get this one, would i have to upgrade my gpu/would it still be able to take advantage of the specs?

the Nitro

[mossy venture]

Yes, 1440p is much more than the 6650xt can handle

But getting a nice monitor with the intention to upgrade soon makes sense

[devout ocean]

Anyone have any experience with the Thermal Grizzly Kryosheets, and their contact plates? Any validity to getting em?

[mossy venture]

You could throw up to a 7900 gre in there and be fine with that power supply, and you could either drop a 13600k/14600k in there or upgrade cpu mobo and ram to a ddr5 platform altogether

Not necessarily at the same time

The build would end up looking something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DH6QqH

[plucky adder]

thanks, one question

[plucky adder]

what if instead of this one, i were to get a acre Nitro WQHD

or GIGABYTES M27Q

[mossy venture]

Link the acer nitro

The Dell g2724d at $150 is better than the m27q.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare

[plucky adder]

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Monitor-FreeSync-Premium-M3bmiiprx/dp/B0C4Z8RFY9/ref=sr_1_4?crid=331GU0J0QGIVC&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2gilh_1lRKlvczezpp_8B0_Hy7PQUJMy_c-pemrGxKcWx9zwGre2d5R086caIdrKEsBXjyXwH5nKFDFpemP8ln8274RbLF4U4OQ4qU1xbfSTYcbyHFNe4vCQuKrOR2TThOPYSO-JbAmabbNo_Bv8WKfisFWDaX3piz_TlTJeUrb9gUqjpjlc4cLTaGWVXl8mKZXtsM9dBRTPsUw4QhNjRrMPWnktBj5BBgdo6at_11s.X5_n4LFthqCsrsw5K2Ua2hCvV9tUHt0pFfZ_Ox8LqCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=gigabyte+1440p+monitor&qid=1733110796&sprefix=gigabyte+1440%2Caps%2C128&sr=8-4

[mossy venture]

Again, mini LED is better
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare

Wait

The link didn't link right

[plucky adder]

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Monitor-Display-Response-FreeSync/dp/B08JWCHR5N/ref=sr_1_1?crid=331GU0J0QGIVC&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2gilh_1lRKlvczezpp_8B0_Hy7PQUJMy_c-pemrGxKcWx9zwGre2d5R086caIdrKEsBXjyXwH5nKFDFpemP8ln8274RbLF4U4OQ4qU1xbfSTYcbyHFNe4vCQuKrOR2TThOPYSO-JbAmabbNo_Bv8WKfisFWDaX3piz_TlTJeUrb9gUqjpjlc4cLTaGWVXl8mKZXtsM9dBRTPsUw4QhNjRrMPWnktBj5BBgdo6at_11s.X5_n4LFthqCsrsw5K2Ua2hCvV9tUHt0pFfZ_Ox8LqCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=gigabyte+1440p+monitor&qid=1733110796&sprefix=gigabyte+1440%2Caps%2C128&sr=8-1

[plucky adder]

which one

[mossy venture]

Mine

[plucky adder]

oh cool

[mossy venture]

M27q>g2724d>acer mini led> aoc mini led

[mossy venture]

This is solid, iirc still worse than the g2724d

Also

The aoc mini led has a faster response time, better brightness, and better hdr than the g2724d as well

Same is true when compared to the m27q

[shut rampart]

does the 650m pro rs have 2 m.2

[flint sapphire]

Probably

[shut rampart]

I dont see

[lone flame]

just had my pc do a glitchy/artifact blue screen for the first time in months, whocrashed said this

my temps are fine

[flint sapphire]

It has 3

[lone flame]

just happened when i was on YT, wasnt under any sort of load

[shut rampart]

Don’t see the two

[flint sapphire]

Should be under the gpu

In between the two pcie slots

[cyan ravine]

Did event viewer say anything

[shut rampart]

bruh

[lone flame]

on a sidenote that asrock card looks way better in your pictures than it does on websites like amazon lol

[cyan ravine]

Did you update drivers with armoury crate then

[lone flame]

what is that oh smart felix

[shut rampart]

nvm

[cyan ravine]

Program in windows

Open it

Go to windows > system

Look for the time of the event

[shut rampart]

I have to remove gpu to get to the m.2

[cyan ravine]

The event code is also important

[flint sapphire]

Yeah…

2 screws a clip and some cables ain’t that bad

[lone flame]

in here?

[cyan ravine]

Nyope

go to start menu

Type event viewer

[lone flame]

?

every crash ive had is the same issue?

[cyan ravine]

What does the code say under this part of the windows

[lone flame]

guide me to that im sorry ive never used this before

[cyan ravine]

What's it say right underneath the critical errors list

There's a detail window

[lone flame]

oh im sorry

[lone flame]

the detail tab is this

then theres an option to put that in XML view

[manic cloak]

Updated, only needed like 2 updates but nothing related to drivers. I tried using Open again, nothing. Will try uninstalling and restarting

[cyan ravine]

This

I want general

[cyan ravine]

Ok it's still 41

Cheers

Sometimes 41 can report as 141

Wildly different error

So likely to do with this then

Did you do any pbo

[lone flame]

i dont think i touched any cpu settings no

[manic cloak]

Gavin what’s your build

Like you got your pcpp?

[cyan ravine]

So with your aio it's probably imc then

Bad vsoc training

Ok one sec

Go to bios

Advanced settings

[lone flame]

not on hand let me find it in a bit

[cyan ravine]

Find "CPU vSOC Voltage"

Or something similar to that

It MUST say vSOC

Change it to 1.15v and manual override

Save your settings down then reset

Go to windows

Download this

http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/

Then open it

Run component stress tester

You want to run "VT3"

You type in the codes of what you want to run or not to run to enable or disable

Enabled is green, disabled red

Run this test for

About an hour?

If it doesn't come back with any errors, you'll be fine

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[cyan ravine]

You use numbers to navigate all the settings

[lone flame]

i might do this tomorrow after work as i dont have a full hour i have to go to bed pretty soon for work in the morning

[cyan ravine]

Does armoury crate work without openrgb?

[cyan ravine]

Is fine

[manic cloak]

Yup

[lone flame]

i will ss and save ur instructions

[cyan ravine]

What likely happened

Is you had either bad vdroop or the board trained a dumb vsoc

And this one time you experienced it crash

Auto settings can be a little stupid sometimes

If you experience it again it'll likely need a vcore +0.010v offset

[cyan ravine]

Then it sounds like an open rgb issue if the motherboard works fine with armoury crate

Changed driver signatures or updates can break compatibility

[manic cloak]

Armory crate can set everything to a color (red for example), and only openrgb can control the motherboard colors (to blue) but can’t change the fans

[lone flame]

where you keep this knowledge is fascinating

[manic cloak]

Bios update prolly did

[lone flame]

to know down to the decimals in voltage

is wild stuff to know offhand

[cyan ravine]

I've spent months overclocking and years playing diagnosis puzzles

I've learnt a thing or two

Lol

[lone flame]

see if that link works https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wsNRcH

[lone flame]

i dont doubt it

[cyan ravine]

Can you try just armoury crate alone

Nuke open rgb if you can or completely disable it

[lone flame]

i use signalrgb for my whole system

[manic cloak]

Ya I removed openrgb from my system and it works just fine

Only issue is bloatware

[lone flame]

i have 7 rgb fans + my pump plugged into a single header

not a header

a

whats the name

fan hub

[manic cloak]

Controller?

[lone flame]

jezus

yes

[manic cloak]

😭

[lone flame]

i think an asia horse one

trust me if i could do my stuff over again i would

its a rat nest back there

im scared to touch it

[cyan ravine]

May have to wait for openrgb to update then

[lone flame]

im going full black next time

[manic cloak]

That’s like waiting for a terraria update tbh

[cyan ravine]

Well

[lone flame]

based

[cyan ravine]

I'd say "Roll back bios"

But it's a 13600K

The only roll back is to an untrustworthy one

[manic cloak]

Ya I think I’ll still with the uh

Current bios

[cyan ravine]

I would too

It happens, you should just wait for now

I get it armoury crate is ass

Lol