building-and-recc-chat

[dusky hearth]

while the used market for somewhat recent good speakers are ususally pretty good

or you can get better speakers

[rough loom]

just get kevlar speakers so they dont blow

2 ways

[crimson zinc]

The speakers I was going to get were $40 per

[dusky hearth]

put a leslie speaker in your car frfr

get that spinning sound everywhere

[rough loom]

actually if your hitting 8 speakers might be able to do 2 types of speakers to get real clear highs and mids and another set that does good mid and lows

depending where they are placed

wont get the punch of a sub but it will be more controlled

[marsh kiln]

I for sure won't ever see a car with bose or any other higher end speakers and same with a house speakers in my life time that I own

[dusky hearth]

bose and high end in the same sentence

[crimson zinc]

I need 6 speakers for doors/trunk+2 tweeters

[rough loom]

Bose can make some very good speakers but they are far and in between

[marsh kiln]

Classified high end in my pay grade

[dusky hearth]

bose is better than no-name speakers but they are not a high end audio company

[crimson zinc]

Dawg I’m just tryna bump some Balu Brigada in my 2004 Hyundai sonata

[dusky hearth]

they target the "wants better than cheap no name speakers but dont want to shell out for high end audio" market

[crimson zinc]

So, me

[dusky hearth]

their headphones do have some pretty good options for wireless noise cancelling though

[marsh kiln]

Aka the high end speakers for people that have a income of 12k a year

[dusky hearth]

one of the best noise cancelling headphones i've ever tried

[rough loom]

grab some Crutchfields

[dusky hearth]

but their speakers dont bring too much to the table

[rough loom]

pioneers are good for the price

polk

focal

Reading people really like JL's

[manic cloak]

Finally planning on replacing my thermal pads and thermal paste on my gpu and repasting my cpu, any changes?

[dusky hearth]

how much thermal putty you get? i heard that the 10? gram one is a bit too little

or whatever it was again

you'll probably find it for cheaper on aliexpress, though with the typical aliexpress shipping time (~a month)

well, not probably

you will find it on aliexpress

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007513448186.html

[manic cloak]

Ya 1.40$ for 10g

I’m taking that

Is 20g good then?

[manic cloak]

No clue if this is any different from the u6 Pro or not, haven't really invested too much research except from here 😭

[crimson zinc]

That’s a stea- oh wait you meant thermal putty

[dusky hearth]

it's not the same as the u6 pro, but it's better

[cyan ravine]

What's this smear across the table

Oh it's a watermark

I couldn't tell what it was for like a good 40 seconds lmao

[dusky hearth]

lmao

your monitor is just dirty frfr

[manic cloak]

Technically there is “cheap mx6” on aliexpress

[potent portal]

It's fake

Arctic has issues with fakes

[manic cloak]

“Cheap mx6”

But ya I wouldn’t even buy that, considering arctic has a hard time fighting for their own store front with Platinum Micro on Amazon

I’ve been waiting for it to go down a dollar or two, it has not.

[crimson zinc]

I was referring to marijuana

[manic cloak]

😭

[rocky gull]

https://www.facebook.com/share/FvTV5ELodhaiUPLh/?mibextid=79PoIi

Anybody willing to help me out
Asking price is $700 for this rig

[serene onyx]

Hey guys im setting up a fresh pc thats wifi enabled

But on setup no wifi shows up

im only getting the option for ethernet

i tried installing the driver vis usb using the cmd term

but its still not working

im still only getting the option to use ethernet

but i have no ethernet

Can someone help please

this is the second pc this week thats getting the same issue

[obsidian wigeon]

meh

[obsidian wigeon]

there's ways you can bypass the oobe iirc

[serene onyx]

How do i do that

cause i cant use ethernet

i have no way on continuing the pc setup process

cause its forcing me to use ethernet cause wifi dont show up

[obsidian wigeon]

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/all/set-up-windows-11-without-internet-oobebypassnro/4fc44554-b416-4ecb-8961-6f79fd55ae0f

Give this a read

There's the second way, the one not using bypassnro

[serene onyx]

Thank you so much

i see it alr

[obsidian wigeon]

Because it doesn't work anymore, but the second method still works

[serene onyx]

Ok thanks

ill try them and update you

thank you so much

IT WORKED

THANK YOU

[obsidian wigeon]

yippee

[serene onyx]

Gonna do it on the other pc

[potent portal]

Isn't microsoft great how they try to make sure you have internet access and can't avoid sending them your sweet, valuable data?

[serene onyx]

Idk why they do that

its stupid

[obsidian wigeon]

It is

On an unrelated note

Google is being forced to split their businesses

Chrome, android for example

[potent portal]

Was that already decided? Last I heard they were still fighting that in court

[obsidian wigeon]

Yes, but google is trying to fight back

They just lost the case recently

[potent portal]

It'll be in the appeals courts for years, don't expect anything soon

[serene onyx]

Yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

True

[serene onyx]

By the time it happens well probably be grandparents

[obsidian wigeon]

I hate google more for making adblocking on yt a pain in the ass

Playback outright breaks sometimes

[potent portal]

I just use grayjay

[obsidian wigeon]

Refreshing to make videos work became a new habit

[potent portal]

Oh and adblock still works fine in firefox, just not anything using a recent chromium

[obsidian wigeon]

Can't use grayjay on desktop

[potent portal]

Not with that attitude

Android emulators

[obsidian wigeon]

Hmm, I'll consider firefox maybe

Or mess with WSA

Okay, looking at it

I'll use emulation

[jagged ember]

Oh yeah I've been using firefox and its just fine still

[analog hearth]

I might switch to Floorp

Better privacy than Firefox and less random controversies

[runic cedar]

Hey so i think my argb hub got damaged atleast I hope so am about to check my argb header

Can my hub get damaged if I add 5 things daisy chained together onto it?

The hub is full of argb fans, I added my 5 argb components to it using the one connection that allowed for a daisy chain (might have been only designed to add 3 more fans for the top)

Do you guys think this would be the cause? Or could it actually have damaged my argb header itself? Im 100% I connected the hub to the header

[potent portal]

It's very possible to overload it

[runic cedar]

And if it did do you think I will get any compensation from the company that sold me this trash case

[runic cedar]

Do you think removing some argb has potential of it working again?

Or is it fried?

It worked for a few days

A week even

So Im thinking its dead

[potent portal]

Depends on the safeties that are in place. If there's good ones then it should come right back. Symptoms of overload can be anything from flickering lights to magic smoke.

[runic cedar]

I think its dead

No smoke no burnt smell anywhere either

[potent portal]

If anything died then hopefully it's just the hub and the motherboard had good safeties

[runic cedar]

But the hub still lets my fans spin

Cuz the fans are also connected to it

[potent portal]

Another possibility is the SATA power connector to the hub being damaged from overheat. If the 5V burned out then the 12V might still work.

[runic cedar]

Wdym 5v?

I am an electrician i know what volts are

[potent portal]

ARGB runs off of 5V, the fans run off 12V

[runic cedar]

I mean the 5v opposed to 12v?

Oh aight

But my sata connector is also connected via daisychain to the hub as well as my drives

And my drives havent been affected

[potent portal]

The SATA power connector is capable of giving 12V, 5V, and 3.3V

[runic cedar]

Yes

[potent portal]

I mean the connector itself, not the PSU or the cable

Either the hub or the cable side might be damaged from heat/overload

[runic cedar]

Ok i thought by it being daisy chained there might have been a possibility of not just the connector being damaged but the entire "cable" or rather the wires handling the 5v output

[runic cedar]

God i hope its the hub

[potent portal]

Either the wires or the traces/contacts seems likely to me

[runic cedar]

I will check both now, my argb header and the hub sata connection

[potent portal]

If you have a microscope you might try inspecting the connectors and PCB for signs of burnout

[runic cedar]

I dont :(

[potent portal]

(or a phone with good zoom)

[runic cedar]

The hubs sides pins look perfectly fine

But has more of a static/electrical burn type smell

[potent portal]

That's not a good sign, but at least you can narrow it down from smell now

[runic cedar]

The inside of psu's sata connector I cant check

Smells less burnt tho

[potent portal]

If it is just the hub they can probably send a replacement under warranty

[runic cedar]

Idk tho it doesnt smell that burnt

[potent portal]

It shouldn't smell burnt at all tho

[runic cedar]

Yeah about that..

Decided not to get warranty cuz "its just a case what could possibly happen"

[potent portal]

Everything is sold with a warranty

[runic cedar]

Amazon

[potent portal]

You declined an extended warranty

[runic cedar]

Have to add seperate

[runic cedar]

Right nvm

Im new to being grown up was never told how warranties and insurance works

Mb

[potent portal]

Yeah I get it

It took me a while to figure out how to file taxes too

What you'll want to do is get in contact with the case manufacturer, they'll point you in the right direction from there

Once you get to the warranty claim website or get the email address, as applicable, they'll ask for proof of purchase. You can use the Amazon "print invoice" feature with the Windows "print to pdf" feature to get that as a file they'll accept.

If they're good they'll go over some basic troubleshooting with you too

It's stuff you probably already did but it's part of the process to show they tried to repair

[runic cedar]

Ok i just sent them a longass "contact me" with all the info needed "topic" etc so I hope I will get an answer soon but i still have to check my argb header

Please pray for my mb

Otherwise is there an option for argb to rgb adapter?

Then I would be able to seperate 5 fans to 1 hub which then goes into one rgb header

And then another 5 daisychained to the other

Or get 2 hubs i guess

Its not the argb header thank god

Its the hub

Either psu or hub side sata like u said thx for the help

I hope to atleast get 1 replacement hub but I might try negotiating for a second one

I guess it couldnt have destroyed my mobo argb header cuz I barely utilized it for managing the argb, right?

[potent portal]

It could have if there wasn't any safeties

[runic cedar]

Or does it not matter wether or not I manage my rgb using software

Idk man Im confused af by all the cables

I barely understand whats daisychained and whats directly connected to the hub

[potent portal]

I try to minimize the amount of RGB in my case for this reason

I can follow it but it's just so mentally draining

[runic cedar]

I have an aio (3 radiator argb fans + main aio piece daisy chained) which then feed into the single argb fan cable that allows me to connect more argb to it, all the other fans go directly into the hub and dont have a daisy chain option

So I will probably ask for a second hub if they are so generous and then (if it exists) use an argb to rgb adapter to connect one of the hubs to the rgb header instead

Does a argb to rgb adapter exist?

[potent portal]

It does not exist

They use completely different voltages and signaling patterns

Anything that claims to convert that is a scam

[runic cedar]

Yeh i thought that may be the case

[runic cedar]

Wait

Wth

?

Dont mind my gf moaning in the back about her valorant match

Can someone explain?

[potent portal]

That's the kind of thing I'd expect to see if the header is overloaded. There's too many links in the chain so the signal and voltage get degraded

[runic cedar]

Not connected to the header

Just hub

So hub overloaded?

[potent portal]

Yeah

[runic cedar]

Ok good to know

I did get rid of all the daisychained parts but it is still dead so Im guessing just get a new one and next time use 2 or just a better on, right?

Or do I just get 2? Idk if a better one will even help since it was overloaded on the 5V connection

But since its the hub's side thats fried i wonder if a better one would solve this issue

[potent portal]

It all depends on many different factors

Primary ones being the power draw of each LED and the number of LEDs

[runic cedar]

Oof

8 for each of the 5 fans

Another few for each 3 of the aio fans and then the aio's rgb itself

I did also connect another gpu support with argb

So thats an extra argb component added

Idk how many LEDs my aio has tho or the fans

[potent portal]

The missing variable here is how much power each LED wants

[runic cedar]

Its an msi c350 or whatever mag something

The fans inside the case i got no clue

The msi i can look up

[potent portal]

An average LED will use about 50mA, some will use more, cheap ones especially do

So if you've got 50 LEDs that's 2.5A, which is A LOT to ask of one header, usually rated at 1A or 2A on more recent designs

[runic cedar]

My bad bruh

I dont need to connect to the header

[potent portal]

A cheap hub like the one a case manufacturer might use is probably only rated for 1A per header, also keeping in mind the amperage limits of the SATA connector and traces on the PCB which are also unknowns here

[runic cedar]

I have the c3t500 from pccooler

Should come with all 5 fans as well as the hub

[potent portal]

"Header" here means the one on the hub as well, not just the motherboard

[runic cedar]

Idk if theres any info about it online

[runic cedar]

I was just making sure we are on the same page cuz I thought u kept worrying about my mobo

If I were to have 2 argb hubs that then daisy chain to eachother and then to the argb header on my mobo, would that solve or worsen the issue?

Since i would have sufficient power to each of the hubs as well as have the option to control all of my argb from my mobo

[potent portal]

2 hubs would most likely solve the problem

[runic cedar]

Since only one will be able to have the reset sw

[stoic island]

as long as the 2 hubs are powered separately

[potent portal]

You can connect the hubs together

With separate power

[runic cedar]

Thats the plan otherwise just more power consumption and less power to give

[runic cedar]

But a daisychain sata connector works fine here still, right?

I dont want my sata cable to overheat

From too much power consumption over the same powerline

I guess if I dont overdo it per hub it should be fine

[stoic island]

you'll need to be careful with daisy chaining the sata power cable, need to double check what the port on your PSU is rated for

just the 5v rail

[runic cedar]

I have the supernova 750w gt

Gold

Should be okay?

I dont think rgb is worth this much pain and suffering I took all this time to set it up yet here we are

[potent portal]

The SATA connector is rated for about 75W total

2.5A at 5V is only 12.5W

[runic cedar]

Its 10:30 pm pls dont let me do the math

[runic cedar]

Thank you

[potent portal]

I did the math don't worry lol

[runic cedar]

I forgot the formula anyways would have had to look it up beforehand as well

[potent portal]

V*A=W is the simple version

[runic cedar]

Yes

That one I wasnt 100 percent on

I thought it might be more complicated

[potent portal]

Resistance is also a factor but let's pretend it doesn't exist, as most people do

[runic cedar]

Theres also the variant of

Exactly

[stoic island]

seems like it's 1.5a per 5v pin, of which there are 3 pins per connector

[dusky hearth]

resistance is fake

[stoic island]

PSU itself is spec'd for 20a on 5v, 3 peripherial connectors that can use 5v, just gonna guesstimate 6.6a for the whole daisychained cable

[dusky hearth]

a social construct

[stoic island]

actually more likely its 10a for each of the 2 sata connectors

3a for the periph connector

Wait no the pin outs are the same

[potent portal]

I think you're confusing things a lot more at this point lol

[stoic island]

From what I can tell

Might be but I'm also curious what sata power is actually rated for on each rail lol

I don't see a standard

I just see the pin out on the PSU end being 1 of each, pin out on the connector end of 3 of each

[potent portal]

The standard is 1.5A per pin minimum on SATA

The power supply side is not standardized

[stoic island]

The math just isn't mathing in my head, 4.5a per connector that's daisy chained usually 3 or 4 to a cable, with a PSU that is rated for 20a total over the entire 5v rail, including for the ATX 24pin, 2 sata 6 pin connectors, and a 6 pin peripheral connector

[potent portal]

They don't expect every connector to be maxed out

That's why you see 12VHPWR 600W cables on 650W power supplies

[stoic island]

I guess, maybe the PSU can do the full near 20a through one daisy chained sata cable, I see no reason it can't, it's just good old 18awg

[tribal hedge]

Can someone help me with a build? im new to building not to pcs but i only know minimal things https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/fqZjYN this is what ive picked off i still wanna stay with nvidia and i do want aesthetics but ik at some price points its aesthetics or performance besides that im open to suggestions

[sinful osprey]

im looking for decent gaming laptop recommendations, my budget is about 1.5k give or take

[mossy venture]

What's it being used for

[tribal hedge]

streaming

[mossy venture]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jn4jYN

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/97JPyg

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DhNDbL

4060 is really bad value

Do note, none of those mobos (including your list) come with wifi

[tribal hedge]

yeah ive been told lmfao

[mossy venture]

So if you're not using ethernet, get a diff mobo

[tribal hedge]

oh really?

i didnt even know that

[mossy venture]

Yeah, it's something a lot of people don't think abt

Do you like one of the lists more than the others?

[tribal hedge]

i dont have ethernet

[mossy venture]

Ill grab a compatible mobo with wifi

[tribal hedge]

let me have a skim through

[mossy venture]

The 7600 is about 20% ahead of the 5600, and 12400f about matches the 5600

6750xt is something like 30% better than the 4060, and 7700xt is another 10-15% on top of that

[tribal hedge]

im between the first two

im still trying to stick with amd

[mossy venture]

7600 is my goto suggestion atm

I gotta run, lemme grab a mobo first

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/kvWJ7P/asrock-a620m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-a620m-pro-rs-wifi

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/qcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs-wifi

If you go for a bigger case this is good too
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/CvcgXL/gigabyte-b650-eagle-ax-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-eagle-ax

[tribal hedge]

out of the first two which are better?

im just trying to get whatever to bang my buck

[mossy venture]

The b650m, but the only differences are an extra pcie slot and cpu overclocking

Vrms(cpu power delivery), m.2 slots, and IO are all the dame

[tribal hedge]

im not really sure i want to overclock my cpu

[mossy venture]

Cpu ocing is the most pointless

Gpu ocing and ram tuning both yield much bigger improvements

Not having an extra pcie slot could be a hindrance down the line

Especially if you ever want a capture card for streaming

[dusky hearth]

Bump

[tribal hedge]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2khdjH hows this?

disregarding everything not being white

[mossy venture]

Stock cooler is fine but otherwise looks good

[analog hearth]

I still can't forward messages wtf

[dusky hearth]

damn

[potent portal]

Updated Discord? Or is it just this server?

[analog hearth]

I wanna say it's a me (my account) issue but idk

Everybody else can

Super annoying lol. I can't even forward messages in a server I own

[potent portal]

Yeah it's a you problem, even my test account with no roles can forward here

[analog hearth]

Bruh

This is annoying

I don't want to have to make an alt just to forward messages

[tribal hedge]

did you say both of these are compatiable with wifi?

[mossy venture]

Yep

[tribal hedge]

im guessing there isnt a 7700 in white

[mossy venture]

Not well priced

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nxDKPF

[tribal hedge]

yeah atp i could just get a better gpu

what would you recommened for like 1.2k

[mossy venture]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/4Qjh6D

you can also do this gpu https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/nh26Mp/sapphire-pure-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-11330-03-20g

[tribal hedge]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/f3fGmD hows that for just under 1k

[weary galleon]

White 7900gre makes it £1200

[tribal hedge]

using your help ofc

[weary galleon]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/rdNDbL

[tribal hedge]

beside the white psu

that can be black cuz u wont even see that

[mossy venture]

a white psu comes with white cables

black does not

[tribal hedge]

i was looking at extensions

plus its only one cable i think it wont bug me that much

[dusky hearth]

idek how you arent able to forward messages yet

i mean, if you were outside of the US, or canada, then maybe discord only released it regionally

but you are in the US

so idek how you dont have forwarding yet

😭

i got it on my phone first and then 2 days later my desktop could also forward

[dusky hearth]

bump again
also i just noticed he forgot to mention, region is USA

well, nvm he already decided on one lmao

[potent portal]

I would help but I'm not a laptop guy

[flat pendant]

Hello, i just build my first pc everything starts working but no image on monitor( any advices what can i do and how can i fix that?

[potent portal]

Start with your cpu and gpu model, and where you have the video cable plugged in on the computer

[flat pendant]

i9 14900kf
gigabyte 4070ti super
video cable u mean hdmi? if yes at gpu

[potent portal]

Ok so you don't have an iGPU and the video cable is in the correct port then

Make sure the monitor is set to the correct input

[flat pendant]

yeah already checked

[potent portal]

Do you know what bios version your motherboard is on?

You might need to update that for 14th gen

[flat pendant]

no

how can i know?

[potent portal]

What model motherboard

[flat pendant]

prime z790-p wifi

asus

My 24 pin cable is not fully inserted, but I can’t insert it any further, it seems that if I apply more force, I’ll break the motherboard))

is that a problem? or it should be like that

[potent portal]

That can definitely be a problem

[flat pendant]

thats bad but i cant even push it more

thats like stuck

[potent portal]

You can try putting the 4 pin extension part of the plug in first, then the other 20pins and see if that helps

[flat pendant]

i have solid 24

or wait i can separate them?

[potent portal]

ATX spec says you should be able to separate it for compatibility reasons

So you can still use modern PSUs on older hardware

[flat pendant]

oh okay, i will try tomorrow if it work i will let you know!)

thank you!

[potent portal]

If that doesn't work then you'll need an older CPU to update BIOS with because your motherboard doesn't have flashback

[flat pendant]

older u mean used?

[potent portal]

No like 12th or 13th gen

New/used doesn't matter

If you go to a place that takes opened box returns you can grab one from there and bring it back

[flat pendant]

okay, and one more question isaw on YouTube that motherboards have debug lights but I can't find them on mine

[potent portal]

They're usually near the 24 pin cable

[flat pendant]

will check tomorrow, thank you

are you from canada? mb u know any good services? where i can bring my pc and they can fix it and run everything?

[potent portal]

I'm not from canada but I think canada computers does that

[flat pendant]

yeah i have one close to my home, if 4 and 24 pins doesn’t work for me

4 and 20*

[potent portal]

I looked at your board and in the manual and I don't think you have debug LEDs

That makes 2 features that are missing that are basically standard these days...

[flat pendant]

not good)

[potent portal]

Yeah I would not have recommended a Prime board

[flat pendant]

yeah but i already got one

my bad(

[potent portal]

Oh well, what's done is done. Just means more work for you.

Or more money if you pay someone to do it.

[manic cloak]

Prime only has 6 mobo stand off holes too..

[analog hearth]

6 is fine lol

[flat pendant]

4 and 20 pins doesn’t help, but it’s fully plugged now)

[flat pendant]

Solved, ram was not clicked properly))

7hours of head pain ))

[analog hearth]

))

[vale epoch]

Guys what are addressable gen 2 headers?

Suppose i want to install rgb fans onto my pc but i only have one argb header and two of those gen2 headers can i use the gen 2 headers as well?

[cyan ravine]

Gen 2 = 5v argb

Gen 1 = 12v rgb

Not cross compatible

[vale epoch]

So my power supply bequiet purepower 12m 850w comes with a 12vhpwr cable but i’m unsure which side goes to the gpu and which side goes to psu since they’re the same

[jagged ember]

I doubt the pinout is different for either end?

[tawny violet]

is there any marking on the connectors themselves at all?

[vale epoch]

Just 600w

Already done with the swap tho

Everything is in working order

[tawny violet]

then all is well

[sour sage]

i've already typed this long time ago but i have more information on the issue now but

am having an issue with my laptop inwhich my screen goes to black usually , sometimes the screen freezes and plays a frequency if any audio was playing and then it goes black

when i try to boot hte laptop one of two possibilities could happen , both involve me clicking the power button , the power button lights up and stays lit , the keyboard lights up but closes after a couple of seconds , and the screen does not run whats so ever ,

the two possibilties are that sometimes the indicator led next to the esc key lights for a mere second then turns off and the other the indicator led stays on and doesn't go out ,

am 100% sure that this is a hardware problem due to the following reaons

-when i hold the power plug with a rench such that the rench points towards me , it usually solves the issue

• it usually happenss when i move the laptop

currently at this state it rarely every boots without having it wrenched , when its not wrenched i usually get the black screen inwhich the esc led indicator flashs for a second

sometimes when i hit my laptop accidently , the issue might happen , and usually when i try to boot i get the long lasting led

I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT NORMALLY THE LAPTOP LED FLASHS FOR A SECOND LIKE THE FIRST CASE , but when it boots up normally i get a display before the keyboards lights shuts off

[sour sage]

when i get the long lasting led , usually fixing involves moving my laptop around

from what i know so far

its probably not overheating , when my laptop overheats it doesnt give off a black screen neither does it refuse to boot

its not a display issue because , i don't get the windows sound effect

and i tried unplugging the internal display cable before booting one time , and i did get a sound effect when the issue doesn't happen

and the problem is getting worse by worse over time , am afraid it will eventually nolonger boot

because i've been having this problem for a very very long time but it wasn't as bad

it started as , when i move the laptop i get a black screen , and when i rebooted it worked fine

only when i moved it

over time it became more frequent

till the point i need to use the wrench for it to wrok

lemme illustrate how the wrench looks liek

[cloud prairie]

https://www.ant-pc.com/gaming-pc/dorylus/ant-pc-dorylus-rz360n

Please rate this build

[tawny violet]

Holy waste of money Batman

[tawny violet]

what's your budget, I bet we can do better than that

[potent portal]

Frozen with audio looping and no blue screen is a strong indicator of a bad CPU. You can try underclocking it and see if that helps.

Also a possibility is the motherboard failing at some critical link to the CPU

If it seems related to the power plug then it's possible that a short circuit happened and damaged the motherboard, possibly the CPU as well

[weary galleon]

If you're running it unplugged from the charger does it still happen? Or only while plugged in?

[weary galleon]

I'd +1 there being a short

[languid nebula]

Im a bit nervous because I ordered this pc case but the motherboard I also ordered is an MATX board but the dimensions say 9.6in x 9.6in, the width dimension for the case says its 210mm=8.27 in
Aqua 3, Micro ATX Case, MATX PC Case
DIMENSION FOR INSIDE: 350mm * 210mm * 392mm
Motherboard:
B660M Pro RS

[weary galleon]

If it's a MicroATX/MATX case a MATX motherboard should fit fine. Probably just incorrect dimensions or something

[languid nebula]

okay ty

[weary galleon]

I'd guess the middle dimension is depth

[cloud prairie]

Max 75k inr. An amd build

[severe lava]

would anyone wana help me put a list for a pc im building

dont need it for anything crazy but would like to keep it arou nd 800

[crimson zinc]

USD?

@severe lava

[analog hearth]

For all we know he could be 800 bottles of baby oil

[mossy venture]

This isn't a bad option
https://www.ebay.com/itm/166992147101

[analog hearth]

Honestly just get that^

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xYZmdH

Could do better with a refurb/open box/used gpu

Cpu is off aliexpress (yes it is trustworthy, but i understand if you would want to avoid it)

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805937115185.html

[analog hearth]

CX PSU goes crazy

[mossy venture]

$235 3060 ti
https://www.ebay.com/itm/387296500969

[tawny violet]

I have no idea what that currency is
But AMD is super overpriced right now

[cloud prairie]

Indian rupees

[cloud prairie]

I am ok with nvidia GPU

[tawny violet]

Intel gives you more performance for the money

But ironically AMD does that with GPUs

[mossy venture]

Only kinda true

And depends what price bracket

[tawny violet]

75k Indian rupees is the price bracket

But I have no idea about specific prices there

All I vaguely remember is that they have very high prices for electronics apparently

[mossy venture]

Id say 12400f/5600 area

B450m prime II if its cheaper than a not complete trash a520 or b550

A520m plus wifi from asus is good, b550m-k, -a pro, pro vdh/wifi, m/ac, idk there's a lot of decent cheap am4 boards depending on the market

And idk what is typically in stock on Indian sites

[mossy venture]

Maybe worth looking at 7500f, 12600k/kf

Cheap case that has decent airflow and fits all parts, psu tier list in #cases-psu-and-cooling id look for a 650/750 thats at least c tier

I just looked at the pre build

I dont really know what prices are like on the market but for that build id do the 5600x, cheapest adata 16gb kit of ram, 256gb ssd and add a second ssd yourself, stock cooler, 3060 12gb (or no gpu and add one yourself if it's cheaper, 7600, 6650xt, 6600xt, 6600, 6700/xt and similar are worth looking at,) whatever case you want and abn 650

Sorry for the text wall

[jagged ember]

Did you use voice to text

[mossy venture]

I did not

[jagged ember]

Amazing

[mossy venture]

My arm hurts a lil bit

[jagged ember]

Dedication to his craft

[dusky hearth]

You know it's not voice to text because all the words make sense and aren't homophones of a word that makes sense

[severe lava]

ive never used amd graphics card before is there any major difference

[dusky hearth]

No nvenc

Less stable drivers for streaming vr headsets (quest, pico, pimax, etc.)

Fine for wired VR though (index, rift, older vive, etc)

Less stable studio drivers for professional work, similar stability gaming drivers for gaming

[cyan ravine]

People do that now? Lol

May as well join a voice chat wth

[dusky hearth]

I do that occasionally but you can see when it thinks I said something else

Painfully obvious

[cyan ravine]

Man

Am I gonna be like

[cyan ravine]

50 years old

When the world suddenly decides touch typing is a relic of the past

"Oh I just use GOOP now to use TTS"

[dusky hearth]

Swipe typing

[cyan ravine]

Like ????

SWIPE

[dusky hearth]

Lmfao

[cyan ravine]

Bro finna look like he in an anime with every letter

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/swords-sengoku-basara-epic-anime-gif-12956630

Me in a text argument

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-typing-keyboard-cute-gif-17603629

[dusky hearth]

The problem with swipe typing is that you kinda need to know how the word you want to type is spelled

Sometimes I forget how to spell a word 💀

[cyan ravine]

Don't worry

By 2035 everyone will know all the wrong ways to spell too

[cinder basalt]

can anyone help me get my pc to display to my monitor?

[urban oyster]

What fans sold in 6 packs is high quality

[cyan ravine]

P12 max in 5 packs

Or C12C in 3 pack x2

No, 6 pack is not normally an option

[dusky hearth]

Step 1: connect monitor to PC

Make sure you plugged into the gpu

[cinder basalt]

did that still doesn’t work

[analog hearth]

Have you tried again?

Put the cable into the GPU, not the motherboard

[dusky hearth]

Also make sure your PC is actually turning on

[little osprey]

lol fr

[runic cedar]

JZK 5V 3 Pin ARGB Hub with Enclosure + Extension Cable, 5V 3 Pin RGB LED Splitter Hub with SATA/IDE Connector, Double Sided Adhesive Tape on Back https://amzn.eu/d/4TkLarY

Will this be able to pull more power for the argb than my current brokey one?

Cuz this has no pwm fan headers and is only pulling power for the argb, whilst my current one was pulling power for both and broke its argb functionality

[analog hearth]

It has a SATA power input so I guess? "[will it do this better/more than my previous one?]" We don't know what your old one is like lol

Also, this is only an ARGB hub. Not an ARGB controller or a fan hub

[runic cedar]

Yes thats my old one tho

[south cliff]

Hey could someone make ae a pc for one om my friends he wants to do digital design and the applications that hes running are inkscape ,adobe application,canva and he wants 1 gb ouput for printer dont really know what theat means but yeah and the budget is 5-6 hundred so if someone could help me with this that would be grateful

[tawny violet]

500 dollars for production work?...

[obsidian wigeon]

it's enough

those apps are

pretty light

[dusky hearth]

i know for sure that inkscape and canva are quite light

idk what adobe application they're talking about, but im assuming it's probably going to be acrobat which is also very light

illustrator and photoshop can run on potatos as well for more simpler graphics

[jagged ember]

1gb for printer is wild

I think he meant he wants a pc with an Ethernet port

Acrobat can suck it

So can adobe

[potent portal]

Which would be literally anything made in the last decade

[wary swallow]

i wanna upgrade my cpu but i’m not sure what to get https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QFZ8L9

would the ryzen 7 5800x be compatible with my current build?

[cyan ravine]

What cooler is on the cpu

[wary swallow]

i have a stock cooler rn

but im buying a cooler

im getting a 240mm aio

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VP6r34

one of these

someone recommended me the ryzen 7 5700x but the 5800x is cheaper

[cyan ravine]

Ok yeah checks out

@wary swallow I think your board can handle it

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3ZKscf/amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-3-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100001503wof

Since you're spending like, 90% of the way there, another $30 or so gets you an extra 15% or more performance

Worth going X3D imo in your position

It'll be a bit weird with a 1660 super, for the time being

But when you change gpu (maybe also ram) later you can afford a much beefier gpu with it, on top of the faster performance

It'll be well worth the extra little bit for this one

So instead of what, 20% or so? going zen 2 to zen 3, you jump another 15% or so again going to zen 3 x3d

Granted, I say this in the case of gaming, it looks like a gaming pc though from what I can tell so I'm suggesting this

Cooler choices can stay the same, it'll run hotter by nature (X3D just does this regardless, even if you chuck a full custom water loop at it) but it'll be handled well by your aio choices so you'll be fine

Well within reasonable expectations

[wary swallow]

is this better than the 5800x?

[cyan ravine]

In gaming terms yes

By a mile

In anything else, a little bit worse

So a small trade off

[wary swallow]

yeah i just use it for gaming

ima go with the 5700x3d

unless i find a good deal on a 5800x3d on marketplace

[cyan ravine]

I agree, the aio choices you have there, I'd lean towards the 360mm options

But yeah the 240mm will still work well

Just cos 360mm is like, nothing extra to get price wise

[wary swallow]

i would get a 360mm but i would like to put it on top

[cyan ravine]

I realised that when I saw the case lol

[wary swallow]

unfortunately my case isn’t big enough for a 360 on top

yeah

[cyan ravine]

Either way I think it's a good idea

Whichever one you pick

Thermalright aio's are excellent value and quality for the price

[wary swallow]

yeah someone in here recommended it to me actually

is the 5800x3d a big jump from the 5700x3d?

[cyan ravine]

It's such a small difference you could call it margin of error

Like, 1% to 2% iirc

Ryzen doesn't scale well with more core clock speed

So that extra what, 200MHz? Basically pointless

Lol

What ryzen loves is fast ram

Better ram has a much bigger impact on fps than core clock speed does with ryzen

[wary swallow]

i love that ram is cheap now

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah for sure

[wary swallow]

well for am4 ayleast

[cyan ravine]

If you can, find yourself a 2x16gb 32gb kit

At like

3200 or 3600mhz

That will be a big improvement as well

[wary swallow]

yeah ima upgrade that too

[cyan ravine]

Used they're like $30

[wary swallow]

i didn’t even think about getting ram used

that’s a good idea

[cyan ravine]

And as much as ram speed does little for X3D, it does affect it more than clock speed does

Yeah man

Some sap will probably have your favourite g.skills or whatevers up there for $30 cos there's 30 billion others selling the same stuff lol

[wary swallow]

do you think my pc will "bottleneck" if i have a 1660s with the 5700x3d

[cyan ravine]

Bottleneck isn't a great word

We have a digest for that one

?bottleneck

[jolly river]

"TL;DR Bottleneck calculators take massive generalisations and will cause someone to almost completely miss the entire snapshot of the performance that they wanted to know in the first place.

Bottleneck calculators are a commonly searched tool on the internet to make a generalised comment on a pairing of hardware for things such as games, workstation software, rendering and the like.

Bottlenecks are regarded as a limit for a pc in a given task, and each different workload, each different game, each different task may and will push a pc to a limit in a certain way, and it's never the same way. Some games will push the cpu to a limit, most the GPU, some the ram, etc.

Bottleneck calculators try to generalise this and this is why you should never use them. It isn't a true outlook of the hardware you'd be working with and doesn't give you a real take on the performance, especially when you consider your own individual needs. Some bottlenecks are good for example, a lot are expected and normal, some are caused by the application itself and don't bring out the full pc performance either, the games or apps you use might be very specific and unique in their behaviour and have an entirely different realm of performance altogether."

[cyan ravine]

Not that we're talking about calculators

But the point stands still, there's always something that's the "Bottleneck" in a pc

It's just a matter of what's widely regarded as the most sense for your pc

[wary swallow]

hmm

i never really understood it

[cyan ravine]

Hmmm what's a better way to describe it

Ok

Think of it like

Imagine water spilling onto an old table

It's worn down, creaky, and unbalanced

Simple physics will tell you the water will travel to where it falls the fastest

To the short leg side

Then fall off the table

Without overcomplicating it, bottlenecking is a little bit similar in behaviour

If you consider the water as data

[wary swallow]

so bottleneck isnt really a problem?

[cyan ravine]

Not really no

The pc will send data as fast as it can to the rate of the slowest part

In every situation, that water will be held back by something

Whether it's how strong the gravity pulls it down the table

Or the friction causing it to travel slowly across the table

Or maybe the old grooves

It all has an impact, as does every part of a pc

So in every situation, a pc will have some kind of bottleneck

[wary swallow]

idk how tf you actually explained it for me to understand😭 but i get it now

[cyan ravine]

Lmao I really switched my brain on for that one

[wary swallow]

😭

thanks for your help bro

i really need to gts. it’s 5:42 am

[cyan ravine]

But yeah people make a fuss about bottlenecks in the community because they concern over a pc looking "unbalanced"

Your pc will be fine

[wary swallow]

bet bet

[cyan ravine]

You can upgrade the gpu later

All good mate, glad to help

[wary swallow]

def

have a goodnight bro🙏🏿 or wtv time it is for you

[cyan ravine]

Yeah night for me

💀

👋

[wary swallow]

👋🏿

[icy bay]

👀

[lean anchor]

Quick question So I have been having this little issue and I'm not sure if it's normal. My memory is MSI afterburner says it has a max of 32 gigs, but the PC clearly detects 64 gigs, am I missing something?

[weary galleon]

That's the max value afterburner has recorded your system using. minimum is ~32.6gb
Maximum is ~34gb

[fossil cedar]

Just afterburner being bugged I'd guess

[lean anchor]

Hmmm, okay, so not an issue with a stick not being detected then...

[weary galleon]

Nah

[lean anchor]

Okay, I guess I'm just being paranoid.

[wary tundra]

What should you do if you don’t have the split 4

[stoic island]

Depends on the specific mobo, it's optional on some, required on others

[wary tundra]

All I got

[stoic island]

what psu and what mobo?

[wary tundra]

Asus tuf b650e WiFi and a Corsair rm850x

[stoic island]

That should be able to come apart, all the eps12v cables on rm850x are 4+4

[strong raft]

Just ignore the extra 4pin spot. The end with the seemingly really-fat clip goes to mobo btw. It's the splitable 4+4 end.

[wary tundra]

Thank you for the help!

[wary swallow]

can i have two 8gb 3200mhz in two slots and have two other ones 16gb 3200mhz in the other slot (but the 16gb is a different brand)

[potent portal]

Yes but your results may vary

It might work fine, even with xmp enabled

Or it could simply refuse to boot

If that's different sized sticks you're talking about then the recommended configuration would be: 8, 16, 8, 16

That way all of the memory is running in dual channel mode

[formal girder]

so ive been checking each data sheet on the jonsbo tk-0 and all documents say the max it will fit in gpu size is a 4060/ti but i found a 4060 white dual oc fits in the case and the asus dual oc 4070 has the same exact dimensions but pcpartpicker says otherwise https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x2vLVW this is the pc im considering, a 4070 for 450 and offers me cuda still for my work and still pack a punch and have a small clean aesthetic

[tawny violet]

It probably has to do with how tall the 4070s are and how the 12VHPWR cables and adapters function

Especially because you'll be forced to use an adapter as the PSU is not ATX 3.0

And the adapters are EXTREMELY sensitive and finicky if you have to like bend them at the part where the connector for the card is

which judging by the size of that case

You'll have to do

I personally wouldn't recommend, but there are smarter people than me

"There is insufficient space available past the last case expansion slot to fit the Asus DUAL EVO OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card."
That just means you won't be able to screw the PCIE backplate (the card mount basically) in methinks

ooooor that the case doesn't have enough space under the expansion slot to house the 3rd slot the card needs

[lean anchor]

So I have a Y60 case, and I am using the vertical mount, and seem to be getting around 21 FPS while using raytracing, in Diablo 4, and around 40 when not with all other settings on Ultra. I have a 4080 Super and was wondering could it be the riser cable that might be causing a loss in performance. TBF I have done nothing with the card, so I have done no tuning like undervolting or anything. I just find it weird that the PC struggles to even hold 60 fps when temps for the card hover around 57c and the CPU temps are around 50c. It only seems to be with a few games where I see frame drops though, so I may just need to suffer and turn down the setting, but I would have thought that a 4080 could handle it.

For reference here are my specs

7950x3D
Zotac 4080 Super
64 gb memory

Well solved a portion of it actually just now

Apparently nVidia set me to use DLAA and that absolutely destroyed my performance. Still though holding around 55 fps where my Laptop with a 3070 held 60...

[weary galleon]

That seems low for those specs

I'd make sure there isn't a resolution slider that got set to 400%, then maybe try moving the gpu to be directly in the pcie slot

[frail valve]

Do older PC parts make a lot of heat, or need air flow? Just asking because I have some old stuff I intend to turn into a retro windows 98 machine. The original case (on the left) is smaller but has absolutely no airflow on the front of the case. Although there is some holes on the side panel. A different much newer case (on the right) is basically all open on the front but is quite a but bulkier

[dusky hearth]

do older pc parts make alot of heat or need airflow? no and not really

well, it depends on the part

but most office pcs of yesteryear (over a decade ago) could practically be cooled just by blowing on it ong

the whole system didnt use many watts

even the h510 would have enough airflow for those

[frail valve]

lol

[dusky hearth]

but yeah, this is why alot of sleeper pcs end up needing to have air holes modded into the case so that they can actually cool modern gpus

[frail valve]

Yeah, a 3.0ghz Pentium 4 shouldn't make that much heat, especially for the reto games I'm putting on it

As for the GPU, it doesnt even have an active cooler

[dusky hearth]

if they don't add air holes, they'll add holes for watercooling tubing to get out of the case so they could put the heatsinks elsewhere

lmao

some old components used plastic heatsinks because of how little power they drew

[lean anchor]

Thank you, I'll do that.

So it appears in the infinite wisdome of Blizzard since they now don't allow for you to set the resolution it just pulls from your monitor's resolution. Since I am at 3840x2160 it was playing the game at that resolution, and then that may have been causing it, with that said the card should be able to handle that.

[clever echo]

Is there a difference in thermal paste for example the Corsair xtm70 vs the Corsair xtm30

[mossy venture]

arctic mx4 or mx6

[clever echo]

Thanks but what’s the difference

[mossy venture]

for most people, a few degrees

for some people who are into overclocking it could be a performance difference

realistically, as long as it's not some cheap paste that's electrically conductive youre fine

most coolers come with some

[late fjord]

Is this fan configuration good. I think I remember someone telling me to put that top right fan as intake. SAMA IM01 With a 5800x and 3060ti.

[potent portal]

Yes. Ideally you wouldn't have an intake fan right next to an exhaust, though. If it were me I'd take out that top exhaust entirely, or flip it to intake.

[late fjord]

hmm once im done waiting 16 years for this 6tb hdd to format ill do some temp tests

[potent portal]

Guess you didn't tick the "quick format" option? It only takes a few minutes if you do

[late fjord]

i mean normally i would have but isnt it better to run a full one? for bad sectors and such.

[potent portal]

Only in rare cases where you suspect the drive is failing

You could be there for hours otherwise

[late fjord]

i figured id do it because its and old drive i pulled out of a work machine being thrown out so idk what kind of condition its in

[potent portal]

You would normally do the quick format and then do chkdsk X: /r

That does a full scan/recovery including the disk surface scan

[late fjord]

okay

appreciate it. because its been 2 hours and its only at 20% 💀

[potent portal]

Replace X with the drive letter and make sure to check SMART data before and after the scan for "reallocated sectors"

I recommend crystal disk info for reading SMART

[analog hearth]

Friend gave me some parts from an E Sports lounge. The motherboard had a USB 3 plug stuck inside of it bruh

Easy fix with some pliers lol

[dusky hearth]

another day of more justification for why i absolutely abhor the usb 3.0 internal header

nothing is more fragile than this crap

well, technically the cpu pins are more easily damaged

but at least with cpu pins, as long as you handle it correctly, it will be able to handle dozens of insertions without damage

while usb 3.0 internal headers are like roulette

you can handle it as gently as humanly possible
or even inhumanly possible

there's always a chance that it would just break off

[potent portal]

Oh your manufacturing tolerances were sliiightly off on the connector? lol you didn't need those pins anyway

[cyan ravine]

650-plus

Gaming mothe

Ed

[analog hearth]

It's actually an MSI Z490 board

Friend just have to me in an AMD box 💀

[cyan ravine]

It's also

[analog hearth]

Yeah

Figured

[cyan ravine]

Nah you'd have never guessed it

Ong

[dusty coyote]

Hey guys! I have an interesting issue that I’m not quite sure how to resolve. So I have an AMD 7050X3D cpu
32GB DDR5 Corsair vengeance ram
Gigabyte 4070 Ti and I can’t remember right off hand what the board is but I will check once I get back to my house but I just decided I would ask y’all’s opinion on this.

So basically every time I restart the pc or shut it down, it never comes back on correctly. The orange RAM light kicks on and it doesn’t display. I have to then flip the power switch on the power supply to turn it off completely and then it starts back up like it should with no problems. Any ideas?

Also I have changed the ram and put new ram in it, and that didn’t fix the problem.

[cyan ravine]

@dusty coyote how much ram are we talking about and I hope it's 1 kit

[potent portal]

Oh I know exactly what that is. Disable "memory context restore" in BIOS.

"Auto" usually means "enabled" for that setting

[dusty coyote]

I will absolutely try that out tomorrow and pray that works. It’s been a pain for a while. I appreciate it big time!

[potent portal]

It'll take longer to start up but it won't fail to retrain any more

[dusty coyote]

32GB Corsair Vengence RGB and yes it’s a kit. I don’t typically like mix matching ram.

[dusty coyote]

Thank you so so much!!

[cyan ravine]

Yes try this

Make sure the sticks are in the right slots too

A2 B2

What's the frequency of the ram btw?

I'm curious of the revision number as well

Vengeance has a long and decorated history of flakey xmp validation

i.e kits leave the factory that at times don't even run XMP out of the box

Revision number is found on the back of the ram kit

On the sticker

It'll say "Rev. X.XX"

[potent portal]

Luckily their DDR5 is a bit better in this department but the issue now is their locked PMIC they like to use so you can't do any real overclocking

[cyan ravine]

Better to date

Inb4 the dude shows us two different IC's in his kit lmao

[dusty coyote]

I’ll get you guys the specifics when I get home from work later today. I appreciate all the help!

[clear pasture]

So I’m looking to get a 4080 super but heard to get a pcie 5.0 power supply I was wondering what’s a good brand that’s budget friendly

[cyan ravine]

Msi AGL is the best pick rn iirc

Really affordable, solid spec, also comes with yellow-tipped gpu cables so you can see visually that you've inserted the cable safely and correctly

I would also pick the cheapest 4080 you can, super or not

They're essentially the same thing

Like 2% difference

[clear pasture]

Gotcha thanks

[potent portal]

A new power supply isn't required, but it is recommended if your current one is more than 5 years old I would say. It'll come with an adapter you plug 3x 8 pin PCIe cables into.

(or if you have a bad power supply to start with since it is a high end GPU)

[clear pasture]

i get that but i wanna make a new build sicne im selling my old pc

but would this be a good psu? https://www.newegg.com/msi-mag-a1000gl-pcie5-1000-w-80-plus-gold-certified/p/N82E16817701026

[potent portal]

That would be a good reason to get a new one too then.
No need for 1000W, 750W is technically fine unless you're going to use an i9 processor. 850W if you want breathing room.

[cyan ravine]

Only need a 750 or 850

Damn fal had the quick draw

[clear pasture]

i mean it fits my budget tbh

but i wanted to future proof it too so I can upgrade later on too

[potent portal]

You can run a 4090 on a 750W though. Why spend more?

[clear pasture]

fr?

[cyan ravine]

Yeah if you spec appropriately

[potent portal]

I'd rather put that extra into a better case or something

[clear pasture]

what abt upgrading a gpu

[cyan ravine]

7800x3d + 4090 very doable on 750w

Lol

[clear pasture]

there wont be no bottle neck with that power?

[cyan ravine]

Not really

It's all about knowing the proper power needs of every part

So for 4090 it's up to a synthetic 600W but a nominal 525W with minor transients, and 7800X3D is 92W max with minor transients

So it's more or less 633W-692W with some transients

[crimson zinc]

I usually recc 850w as the max

[cyan ravine]

Which an A750GL can handle cos it has excursion spec

It's sort of like, on the edge a bit, but very very doable

[potent portal]

Not to mention a good 750W power supply is capable of holding steady at 120% load for a good while (900W)

[cyan ravine]

Ya

[clear pasture]

so if i get a 850w thats like perfect if i wanna upgrade to a 4090 or higher?

[cyan ravine]

850W is often only a few dollars more tbh

[potent portal]

850W is what I recommend to people that want very high power parts and want to dabble in overclocking

[cyan ravine]

Yeah you really don't need 1000W unless you chuck an I7 or I9 in the mix with a high power gpu

Or you love rgb on literally everything

[clear pasture]

what abt ryzen 9 9900x

[potent portal]

120W max under load

Not that much

[cyan ravine]

I'd prefer something a bit beefy for higher power cpus

But yeah the idea is there

[potent portal]

Also don't get that for gaming

[clear pasture]

y?

[cyan ravine]

It's a 9600x for games

For anything else 9900x

Without being technical, this is the shortest description why lol

9700x is faster

And 7800x3d faster than that

[clear pasture]

what abt the core difference ?

[potent portal]

Multiple CCDs cause problems with stuttering, which you find on the Ryzen 9 parts

[cyan ravine]

Because of the way it's designed, more cores is not more better

[potent portal]

Core count does not matter above 8c/16t and only rarely you need more than 6c/12t

[clear pasture]

gotcha

[cyan ravine]

8 is the max to a clump, or ccd, so the 8 core bits are fastest

[clear pasture]

so the best bang for my buck is ryzen 7 7800x3d?

[potent portal]

Or wait 2 weeks and the 9800X3D will be out

[cyan ravine]

I would argue intel rn

Until 7800x3d gets cheaper

Which yeah 9800x3d will probably dictate that

[clear pasture]

ill always be a amd cpu guy they never let me down like intel does

[potent portal]

https://www.centralcomputer.com/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-8c-16t-4-2ghz-oem-tray-cpu-100-000000910a.html

Credit to Bacca posting that one

[cyan ravine]

Wow

Was it like

A week ago

550

Lmfao

[potent portal]

It's just this one store chain that doesn't realize they're sitting on trays of solid gold lol

[clear pasture]

they sell that at microcenter too ?

[potent portal]

Yep

About that same price

[clear pasture]

ill def get a 850w power supply and a ryzen 7 7800x3d

[potent portal]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006823/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d,-asus-b650-a-rog-strix-gaming-wifi,-gskill-flare-x5-series-48gb-ddr5-5200-kit,-computer-build-bundle

[clear pasture]

since when is 48 gigs of ram a thing ?

[potent portal]

About a year now

[cyan ravine]

That le funny strix deal is back

[clear pasture]

im honestly so behind last time i was really researching pc parts was during the chip shortage and the launch of the 3000 series lol

[potent portal]

Fun fact, 48GB is the most you can have without compromising the max speed of your system. That kit should overclock very nicely to 6400c30.

[clear pasture]

i did the micro center raffle for my 3070 ti lol

[potent portal]

I stood in line at best buy for my gpu 😭

[clear pasture]

the overclocking is only available in the bios right ?

[potent portal]

You can overclock the memory using ryzen master but it's better to do in bios

[clear pasture]

whats a good yt guide i should follow to overclock or is better to ask someone here to help me with it??

[cyan ravine]

You can honestly just, turn on xmp in the advanced section of bios

Right next to it is the frequency menu

Set that to 6000 and you're good

Lol

[potent portal]

The X3D chip doesn't care that much about memory speed anyway because the massive cache hides any latency issues

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much

[potent portal]

If you wanted to get more out of it then we have plenty of experienced overclockers here

I can't say specifically which guide to use until you have the kit in hand and we can see what the IC is

[clear pasture]

thanks but one more question is 64 ddr5 over kill ?

[cyan ravine]

For gaming yeah

Depends on the game tho

[clear pasture]

warzone and space marines

[cyan ravine]

Yeah you'd be fine with 48

[potent portal]

48GB is more than any gamer currently needs, even if you have 100 tabs open while you're streaming your game

[clear pasture]

honestly u guys fr saved me a rabbit hole thx so much

[potent portal]

We do that a lot don't we felix

lol happy to help

Debunking computer myths is fun 😄

[clear pasture]

ok the ram that came in that bundle is solid right even with thos speeds

[potent portal]

Yes that kit would be fine

There's 3 settings I'd tweak in bios to optimize things but you can deal with that later if you choose

[clear pasture]

like what?

[potent portal]

4 actually now that I think about it
MCLK, UCLK, FCLK, and memory voltage

In order you'd set
memory speed 6000 (mclk 3000)
uclk=mclk
fclk=2000
1.3v

The bios should be able to figure out the rest

[cyan ravine]

We're worth too much

Wages when

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/superstore-amy-sosa-want-to-start-a-union-union-starting-a-union-gif-18292033

[cyan ravine]

[rocky gull]

Is this rig worth buying for $625

The Build:
Case - Lian Li 011 Dynamic
Mobo - Asus PRIME Z390-A
CPU - Intel I7- 9700k 8core
GPU - Gigabyte Eagle OC 4070
PSU - EVGA 850w Gold rated
RAM - 32gb Corsair RGB
Cooler - Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black
Fans - x6 Corsair 120mm RGB fans

[crimson zinc]

I’d say so

[frail valve]

While I'd wait for more opinions, my personal opinion is that its pretty good

The cost of the 4070 by itself is $550, so its $75 for the rest of the components if you think about it like that

Although the 9700k is a competent CPU that can play modern games I can't deny that its showing it's age

[weary galleon]

Similar to what Wanderer said, the 4070 is worth quite a bit of that $625. Almost to the point where I'd question if it's a scam and you'll actually be getting some other gpu.
You'd probably want to pull the mobo/cpu/ram, sell them, and buy a newer chip

Actually looking at sold ebay listings, 4070's are going for more like $400, so maybe less likely a scam

[olive cypress]

Finally an appropriate size riser cable

Really good value since i got it for just 9 euro

[crimson zinc]

Can anyone identify any parts other than the PSU and gpu?

[stoic island]

mobo reminds me of a MSI b550-a pro because of the ssd heatsink

looks like a wraith stealth so prob 3600/5600x or worse

ram looks like corsair vengence rgb

[naive anchor]

does anyone have anything better i should change or add to this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TKr7QP

[mossy venture]

Why the white psu?

[naive anchor]

idk

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tg9NL9

Gpu is whatever, same thing for $40 less but its up to you

Psu is good, $65 cheaper and matches the theme

If you're just gaming can save money on ram, 64gb won't really make a difference over 32, and could do a cheaper mobo

Like b650 eagle ax

[naive anchor]

alright

[naive anchor]

ima order the case soon you think i need to change it or nah?

[mossy venture]

?

The one in there is fantastic if that's what you're asking

[naive anchor]

alrighty

[mossy venture]

Oh I just understood this

Idk why it was gibberish to me the last time lol

[naive anchor]

lol

[naive anchor]

should i change the motherboard

[mossy venture]

the riptide is great, just overkill for a lot of people

[lone flame]

Have a friend who is looking for a laptop that can do light work on the go, CAD, Matlab, and light 3d rendering. He is enrolled at a uni doing mech engineering

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/lenovo-thinkpad-p14s-gen-5-14-inch-amd-mobile-workstation/21me001lus

He was looking at this one, seems to like it and did some of his own research, is concerned about battery life, and wants something smaller than 16”

He asked me but I’m not great with laptop knowledge so I thought I’d ask here, thanks

[dusky hearth]

ThinkPads aren't good value nowadays
Asus tuf laptops tend to have a fairly good price to performance, and the battery life should be enough for a few lectures (with a text editor)
And can be charged via usbc or the barrel jack

[jagged ember]

Thinkpads kinda fell off

[dusky hearth]

Fell off the moment Lenovo decided to lenovoify them

[jagged ember]

Asus vivobook s14 or something might be great instead

Any recent amd chip should be good

7535HS or 8840HS or 7840HS etc

Maybe not the first one

Also uses only igpu and idk how the 780 or 980m runs those programs

Actually probably ignore what I said

[dusky hearth]

But yeah, ThinkPads all around have really gotten worse
Less features
Worse repairable (used to be much better)
They switched to usbc only charging a little while back and that is prone to breaking, and it's soldered onto the MOBO
Iirc at first it was on a daughter board so that you could replace it without soldering, but they cut even more corners
So overall worse value for your money, for not really any upsides

💀

For that ThinkPad pricing you could get a framework

Way more repairable

[jagged ember]

Not too great value for performance for a framework

[dusky hearth]

Similar ish value but way more user repairable than thinkpads

Yeah

[jagged ember]

But you pay for the repairability and access to parts

Something that most laptop companies can't even do

Maybe except like Dell?

[weary galleon]

In theory if you keep it long enough & upgrade the cpu/motherboard it's better value

Probably still not as good value as buying deeply discounted "normal" laptops though

[weary galleon]

All 3 Dell laptops I've used and serviced over the years have had pretty good acess to internals

One of them, my mom's XPS, has 12 screws to take off the bottom panel lol

But once you're in there, fans/storage/ram/battery/wifi is all very accessible

[analog hearth]

Yeah Dell is pretty good on maintenance

I've done Precisions, Latitudes, and XPSs. They're all nice

I don't like maintaining HPs though lol

[potent portal]

HP/Compaq can burn in a pit

They used to be good back in the days when they had screws for individual access panels to different parts

[analog hearth]

I still have one of those lol

Only it's a pain to put an SSD in it. I put an SSD in mine and I don't think I'll ever want to do that ever again on one of those, especially after it didn't even speed it up that much

[potent portal]

SATA II days yep

Good old 3gbps

[analog hearth]

disgusting

[plucky timber]

Sadly they suffer a lot from economy of scale

Costs too much part

At least for now

[raw dove]

yo, got another request

is a gaming rig for $950 possible

looks dont matter, would most likely need wifi, and the budget is just for the rig itself

[mossy venture]

7500f off aliexpress an option?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/87JgTY

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rV92QP

[raw dove]

probably not as of right now

if it was, what would that entail

?

[mossy venture]

Just ordering a cpu off aliexpress lol

It's basically an igpuless 7600, if just isn't sold in the US

There's also some good refurb pre built options atm, with varying levels of quality/upgradability

Like a $440 11400/3060 ti build, but HP so you've got no upgradability past ram/storage

[raw dove]

i see i see, i think itd be best to stay with the list given

any recommendations for monitors thatd suite that rig you listed?

[mossy venture]

Budget?

Ideally I'd say
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w44Zxr/hp-omen-27q-270-2560-x-1440-165-hz-monitor-780h5aa

Or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7QsV3C/acer-nitro-xv275u-p3-270-2560-x-1440-170-hz-monitor-umhxxaa302

[cyan ravine]

Xv275u

[raw dove]

thank youuu

[raw dove]

looks like the power color 7700 xt sold out, any other substitutes?

[tawny violet]

Any other 7700 XT will do the same thing

Unless you have a specific color scheme in mind

[raw dove]

i was more concerned about thermals, but yeah i see your point

[cyan ravine]

As long as it doesn't say ventus or challenger it's fine

[raw dove]

nitro oc or swift 210 with the 7700 xt chipset?

nitro oc is cheaper

[cyan ravine]

Nitro is fine

[tawny violet]

Nitro is usually like the best made card in AMD

IIRC

[cyan ravine]

Not that one

Acer nitro

[raw dove]

well the power color one came back but wont get here till early december

would anything in the used gpu market be worth considering rn?

[lean anchor]

Anyone have a second to assist with a build in progress? Have a buddy that is having some wiring issues, MB getting power and such. Need a second opinion.

[dusky hearth]

make sure 24 pin and eps (cpu) power is connected
check mobo manual for how to wire up the front panel switches/leds

[lean anchor]

I think it's more the case than the MB, having issues with case wiring rather than the actual MB now, but ty

[tawny violet]

@raw dove what country do you live in, what is your budget, what resolution do you wanna play at, are you okay with not using RT?

[raw dove]

us

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ptYmfy