building-and-recc-chat

[vale epoch]

Personal bias ofc

[cyan ravine]

There we go

I fixed

All amazon, aliexpress, newegg

Lol

Look good ?

[crimson zinc]

@whole inlet

[broken lake]

Got the new riser and it finally works in the case

[karmic crest]

For the airflow people, this diy whole mesh filter for the front I did would be better then the stock front panel that came with the case I would assume? Mainly did it so I could see the fans. the holes are smaller(0.03 instead of the stock cases 0.08) so dust is less able to gather inside, but would that bother airflow is a bad way or would it be more negligible?

Before and after pic basically in order^

[dusky hearth]

compared to the original solid w/ tiny strip of mesh panel, would be better

[covert vapor]

Absolutely better. The degree to which depends on the static pressure of the fans but the og panel is just so constricted it doesn't even matter

[karmic crest]

Only 2 of the sides allow airflow, the rgb strip does basically nothing lol

[karmic crest]

Is there a way to get the static pressure of the fans? These are the fans I used in that photo if that matters

https://a.co/d/7BASq5y

[karmic crest]

Found the static pressure, is that halfway decent for just a mesh filter, where the holes are 0.03 mm?

[jagged ember]

Was it static pressure or airflow or both that didn't have a real standardized testing method

[manic cloak]

I'm trying to find a 2nd monitor but with 0 desk space for it to sit on and a desk that's not meant to have a monitor arm clamp whatever on it, would it better to just use a portable monitor screen?

Primarily watching youtube, discord on a side tab, etc

[cyan ravine]

@manic cloak

Desk stand on desk

Clamp arm to it if you can bolt the stand down

Or desk stand itself can add a lot of space

[manic cloak]

I would need a solid foot with a clamp arm if I were to get another monitor

but the issue is the desk also has my PC and a lamp on it

So unless I got my monitors like /\ that

a desk stand wouldn't work either sadly 😭

[dusky hearth]

There are long monitor arms

Or you could wall mount your monitors, though that won't allow for a standing desk in the future

[potent portal]

Both

Same with noise

Even comparing fans from the same brand doesn't work

[whole inlet]

?

[raw dove]

@mossy venture hey, ive been busy but did some thinking and wanted to know if those lists you provided could be improved at all with an increased budget of $1,100-$1,200

decided to push some other priorities aside

and budget would just be for the pc itself, nothing else

[mossy venture]

I don't remember what lists you were looking at before, but lemme ask some questions

In what order are your priorities, aesthetics, performance, and upgradability

And how do you feel about aliexpress

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/42MG7R

If upgradability isn't as important to you
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WrQC34

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4JQC34

[cyan ravine]

Everyone pay respects to mighty bacca

Might make a quick list meself

[mossy venture]

I meant to do one with 7500f and gre

But gotta run

[cyan ravine]

Barely fits
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fs7DDZ

Just something a bit different

[raw dove]

fair enough, and mainly performance, upgradability, and then looks

would like to avoid aliexpress simply just because i wanna order everything from one place IF possible

[raw dove]

cool itx build

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much

[raw dove]

how does the 7700 xt scale to the 7800 xt/7900 gre?

also since was the gre a thing?

[cyan ravine]

Worse but you make some gains in cpu perf

You could swap the 7600 and 7900gre in

It would be basically the same idea

It's just an alternative line of thinking, there's also a white build at this budget

7700XT/7800X3D would be nicer if you played mainly cpu heavy games like r6s, ow2, valorant etc

[cyan ravine]

Been out for nearly 2 years iirc

[raw dove]

really?

jeez im out of it

[cyan ravine]

It was CN exclusive at first yeah

[raw dove]

most cpu bound game i can imagine me playing is beamng

[cyan ravine]

Fair enough

All these builds are 1440p btw

[raw dove]

i see

is the extra $10 worth it for the 7600x?

[cyan ravine]

7600/7900 GRE probably most ideal from the sounds of it unless you love high car count beamng

Nah

7500f off aliexpress however is really worth it

$123

It's a slightly worse 7600

Which is a slightly worse 7600x

Do the math on that one

[mossy venture]

From what I remember it's the same cpu just no igpu

[cyan ravine]

Yep and a slight downclock

[mossy venture]

Which would make more sense to be 7600f

But that's just me

[cyan ravine]

Agree

I could try see if a 7900xt fits...

Hold on

[mossy venture]

Ehh

[mossy venture]

For what he's doing I wouldn't

Hes better off saving the money

[raw dove]

have any of you gotten it?

the 7500f?

[cyan ravine]

It does fit
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7CxLh3

[cyan ravine]

Oh

[cyan ravine]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Jz7ezyYoNo8

[mossy venture]

This is good value, but it has 6gb less vram than the 7800xt and gre
https://www.ebay.com/itm/387340821706?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_WbF24AfQmC&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Performance wise it about matches the 7800xt, but at 1440p you'll run into a vram limit fairly soon

$470, 2gb more vram than that one, 10% better and about matches the gre
https://www.ebay.com/itm/387248416303?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_WbF24AfQmC&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Both open box/refurb

[raw dove]

this list seems like the one i wanna go with

however i would like to swap the board with smth thats a little more blacked out

and i might go with a different case

would you have a board recommendation?

also does that 7900 gre come with an anti sag bracket?

[mossy venture]

B650 eagle ax

[mossy venture]

I'm not sure

If you see a case you like ping me w a link

I wouldnt spend more than $80 on one

[raw dove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3JQKHx/phanteks-xt-view-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523v1-dbk01

one of these corner like ones

[cyan ravine]

Montech xr

[raw dove]

interestinng

yeah thatd be solid too

would it be a tight fit with these parts?

[cyan ravine]

Should be fine tbh

[mossy venture]

Def fine

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VT88TW/thermaltake-view-170-argb-microatx-mini-tower-case-ca-1z4-00m1wn-00

Also an option

Cheap dual chamber
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/twYRsY/gamemax-infinity-atx-mid-tower-case-infinity-bk

Okey third/final option
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BHP8TW/antec-cx500m-rgb-microatx-mini-tower-case-0-761345-10099-1

[raw dove]

whats a dual chamber?

or whats the benefit of one?

[obsidian wigeon]

mostly a specific aesthetic

ability to hide the psu

for a cleaner look

[vale epoch]

From a certain angle

But they’re thickbois

A fishtank styled case like the montech xr or phanteks nv5 have a better balance imo

[mossy venture]

Yo

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156187814753?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Great option value wise, but you don't have an upgrade route

$782 after an extra 8% off at checkout

[raw dove]

tempting, just a little more lenient towards current gen stuff i suppose

[raw dove]

does the nv5 come with fans?

out of the box

[vale epoch]

Dont think so

Wouldn’t be my first pick i’m sure there must be better options for the money

[languid nimbus]

Geez, that’s wild

[raw dove]

i see

[mossy venture]

thats very fair

you will def be getting a better pc building yourself

just purely price/perf wise and saving money perspective it'd be a good choice

[raw dove]

which makes it very tempting for me

but that other part of me wants the personalization and upgradability

i definately appreciate you pointing that out

[mossy venture]

I definitely get that, you'll get better overall quality too

[raw dove]

assuming i got that dual chamber, what would be the best fan intake/exhaust setup if i were to get fans for everything but the bottom?

or would bottom fans be beneficial?

[mossy venture]

Three fans would be fine, but you could do anywhere from 3-9

Two towards the front or on the side at the front, I forget if that case has space for any towards the front of if it's just bottom, top and back

[brittle tinsel]

Dont want to get kicked for mass ping or ping anyone at a bad time. Thanks everyone who helped out with this question the other day.

❤️

[raw dove]

i see, might as well buy 9 if they come in packs

im also curious, how would the stock cooler on the 7600 scale to some aftermarket one

[analog hearth]

It'll suffice

It isn't great but it'll fit most people's needs (like high 40s to mid 50s C at idle and mid 70s under load)

(Speaking from experience with my 3600 in a second system)

[raw dove]

i see

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QgcgXL/powercolor-fighter-oc-radeon-rx-7900-gre-16-gb-video-card-rx-7900-gre-16g-foc

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wXtLrH/xfx-rx-79gmercb9-radeon-rx-7900-gre-16-gb-video-card-rx-79gmercb9

same price, but does one excel more cooling wise?

or do either of them have anti sag brackets that you know of?

[dusky hearth]

xfx doesnt have an anti sag bracket included in the box from what i see on the site

neither does the powercolour

from what i see on the site

it may include it without saying that it does

[raw dove]

i see, so theres virtually no difference between the 2?

would it be best to do a verticle mount or smth?

[dusky hearth]

you would need a case that supports it, or else you will have to modify the case a bit to make a gpu vert mount fit

there is a chance that they include an anti sag bracket, but if they dont, you could always 3d print or build something out of lego, or use a disposable chopstick as a support

[raw dove]

im seeing vertical mount kits from people like lian li, phanteks, nzxt, and cooler master

[analog hearth]

Just get the Cooler Master one

it's non-proprietary and still looks good

[weary galleon]

I'd probably go for the xfx, the fins look a bit denser and the backplate has some openings for air to flow thru. I'd guess they'll both perform quite close tho

[raw dove]

i thought so too, theyre just a little larger than the 2 fan options obviously but the extra fan probably helps

[raw dove]

the v2 or v3?

[analog hearth]

I think the V3

[raw dove]

that ones $60 so about the price of the case

but would probably be cheaper than getting a nv5 with a phanteks vertical mount

[analog hearth]

Yeah I have the V3

Or that

Didn't see that one at the time I was looking around lol

[raw dove]

i see

[analog hearth]

Oh that's a case

[raw dove]

what is?

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Vertical-Graphics-Holder/dp/B0B7NY5TSY/ref=asc_df_B0B7NY5TSY/

[analog hearth]

The NV5

[analog hearth]

Yeah I have the white version

[raw dove]

oh yeah

im curious if that mount would work with this case

https://www.newegg.com/black-gamemax-infinity-bk-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811445041

[analog hearth]

I mean it's universal

[raw dove]

i see

i like the nv5 just a little pricey in my eyes

[analog hearth]

Just as long as your case has seven slots and doesn't have a crossbeam between each slot, it'll work

[analog hearth]

How much?

[raw dove]

about a $100

the mk ii is $120

[raw dove]

i should probably check that, thanks

[analog hearth]

About average these days tbh

[analog hearth]

Yeah I think Phanteks still does this (for some reason). Quite annoying and it put me off from vertically mounting my GPU when I had my Elite Enthoo Pro back in the day

[raw dove]

took a quick peek at the nv5 and i didnt see any, however the other case i was considering i believe has those pull tab like pcie slots

i may be wrong though

[analog hearth]

https://zipline.terracasa.cc/u/3atBdQ.mov

That link is safe btw. It's a service that I self host (it lets me embed photos and videos so I don't have to worry about Discord's file size limit lol)

[raw dove]

ooooh shoot, thanks for that

so whats the white case?

[analog hearth]

Lian Li O11 Dynamic. But don't get it. There's a lot of similar options for cheaper (plus you'll be bullied when sending photos of the build lol)

[raw dove]

someone here recommended the montech xr when i posted phanteks xt view

only concern is if the pcie slots arent reusable

i also need to get some fans

yk any that are decent with rgb?

[analog hearth]

oh ew

I can't stand those expansion tabs that you can't reuse

Just don't buy the case if it has those

[analog hearth]

That's going to come down to the controller you use, which will either be your motherboard or an actual RGB hardware controller (just use the hardware method lol. Suggestions on which kind of hardware? idk. just research it lol)

[analog hearth]

lol I can see how many times people have viewed this video

[rugged quarry]

anyone mind reviewing this list?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jhD3KX

Using the GPU from a different build and wanting to do a mini setup.

main things are just considering mini ITX motherboards, cpu coolers, ram and I guess PSU as well

[raw dove]

i see, thank you

[vale epoch]

u have a micro near you? and that 3080ti is absolutely bad value for 100 bucks more you could get a 4080 super with significantly more performance

and an aio is unnecessary

a single tower 20 buck termalright air cooler can cool a 7800x3d very well

also the 7600x3d in the us is microcenter exclusive

could definitely pick a more apprrpriate power supply as well

180 bucks for a 750w is...

but since you want itx as a must your parts selection process is going to be tougher and limited unfortunately

[mossy venture]

Do you alr own the gpu?

If not, don't buy it. The 4070 super is $580-600 and performs the exact same, but much lower power usage and nicer features

[rugged quarry]

yes. ive had the 3080ti for a few years now. upgraded from it so I have it laying around @mossy venture

[rugged quarry]

yes, got a friend to pick up the 7600x3d so thats on the way 🙂

[vale epoch]

looks like the case could fit a air cooler

[rugged quarry]

so besides the gpu/cpu being locked in, everything else I still need to purchase

[mossy venture]

Ohh ok

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dVYrz6

[rugged quarry]

is it not worth running a 240 mm cooler ?

[mossy venture]

Not really

Am5 is incredibly easy to cool

The amd stock cooler can manage the 7800x3d

[rugged quarry]

ahh good to know, even though its mini itx it should still be fine then ?

[vale epoch]

@mossy venture when making a list with a 7500f do u assume its bought from aliexpress? i cant find a single decently priced one on amazon

[crimson zinc]

Yes

[vale epoch]

Cool thanks a lot

It doesn’t come with a stock cooler right?

[crimson zinc]

It’s not American sold

Not sure
That’s something you’d have to look for

[mossy venture]

Yeah it doesn't

[raw dove]

@mossy venture any final revisions youd recommend? i swapped out the case and the board for the one you recommended since i wanted the blackout look

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xkCJsh

was thinking about getting more case fans, not entirely sure if the rgb would be a headache or not setup wise

[urban galleon]

• Windows 11 Home 64 bit
• AMD® Ryzen 7 M 5800X3D Processor o 96MB L3 Cache
• ASRook B550M-C System Board
• AMD Radeon RX 7600
• 16GB DDR4 RAM
• 500GB Solid State Boot Drive
• Integrated 7.1 Channel High-Definition Audio
• Integrated 10/100/1000 LAN
• Wireless LAN 802.11 b/g/n/ac - Bluetooth 4.2

is this good for a prebuilt

[dusky hearth]

you gotta say the price lmao

[urban galleon]

i think i paid 700$ usd

[dusky hearth]

a used system?

[urban galleon]

no from micro center

new

[dusky hearth]

i dont think it's a terrible price then

there may be better deals, but imo it's not a scam price, especially if it's new

[urban galleon]

alright for sure thanks

bottle neck?

[dusky hearth]

?bottleneck

[jolly river]

"TL;DR Bottleneck calculators take massive generalisations and will cause someone to almost completely miss the entire snapshot of the performance that they wanted to know in the first place.

Bottleneck calculators are a commonly searched tool on the internet to make a generalised comment on a pairing of hardware for things such as games, workstation software, rendering and the like.

Bottlenecks are regarded as a limit for a pc in a given task, and each different workload, each different game, each different task may and will push a pc to a limit in a certain way, and it's never the same way. Some games will push the cpu to a limit, most the GPU, some the ram, etc.

Bottleneck calculators try to generalise this and this is why you should never use them. It isn't a true outlook of the hardware you'd be working with and doesn't give you a real take on the performance, especially when you consider your own individual needs. Some bottlenecks are good for example, a lot are expected and normal, some are caused by the application itself and don't bring out the full pc performance either, the games or apps you use might be very specific and unique in their behaviour and have an entirely different realm of performance altogether."

[dusky hearth]

not exactly what i wanted there

but there's no pc that has "no" bottlenecks

the prebuilt you have there should be able to run any game you throw at it fine, you may have to lower some settings to medium, especially on newer titles, but it shouldnt suffer too badly

[urban galleon]

ok that's good to know then

[mossy venture]

Looks great, ram did go oos though

[raw dove]

nah i checked amazon its still there

will the stock fans included surfice?

[mossy venture]

Oh nice

Yes it will

[raw dove]

alright well ill be placing orders tonight

how much better is the 7900 gre compared to the 7800 xt?

[mossy venture]

I believe it's around 10%, and the gre overclocks well

[dawn steppe]

please roast: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Hasbinbad/saved/4nRDzy

[dusky hearth]

500gb ssd?

FOR 65???

you paid for windows 11 pro

noctua industrials as well for not really much reason

the case is nice though

128gb ram isnt really that great though, for what appears to be a gaming focused pc

2x 24gb ddr5 is the max size you can get before ram perf takes a hit

[crimson zinc]

Maybe training pc?

Or something ai focused?

[dusky hearth]

if it was more ai focused, it does make a bit more sense

[crimson zinc]

@dawn steppe purpose of pc?

[dawn steppe]

all purpose gamering and ws. i do a lot of different stuff, and cannot afford 2 pcs that are purpose built.

[dawn steppe]

idk about this what is it

[crimson zinc]

There seems to be a lot to improve
Do you have this built already? Or is this a wishlist?

[dawn steppe]

wishlist

[dusky hearth]

what kinda workstation load

[dawn steppe]

mostly i want no compromise on gamering, with the option to do some fairly serious production and computer science stuff.

[crimson zinc]

I’d suggest two pcs, with more specialized purposes for each

[dusky hearth]

well, technically there are comprimises already because of the ram lmao
also the 500gb ssd doesnt need to be in the build

[dawn steppe]

uh huh

[dusky hearth]

also wdym by production exactly

like video production?

[dawn steppe]

video, music, 3d, cad

[dusky hearth]

i dont see any workload that would actually need 128gb ram

[stoic island]

prob most fun to get 7950x3d

[dawn steppe]

can you tell me about this? what kind of performance hit?

[stoic island]

Too much strain on the integrated memory controller means you don't get to run higher frequencies with more ram

2x48 is prob the actual max before you can't hit 6000

at least for this generation

[cyan ravine]

For AM5, 2x32/2x48 is the max

LGA1700, 2x16/2x24 but for much higher frequency

[cyan ravine]

This, though I highly suggest learning process lasso as dual ccd x3d can be annoying as hell with the scheduler at times

[cyan ravine]

For nearly half as much you can get virtually better performance

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YDr67R

0 performance loss, 0 quality drop

You could push higher ram if you'd prefer, that was the best value kit I could see at a higher density

Capacity varying based on what level of video raw format you work with or what degree of 3d cad simulation you might see yourself doing

Board choice also potentially playing a factor depending on what you see yourself needing, but the one chosen is very strong amongst the B650's

[mossy venture]

Gv1000 :p

Just for white cables

And tbf extra wattage overhead with a 7950x3d and 4090 isn't a bad thing

[cyan ravine]

I don't know how good the gv is

[mossy venture]

Its good

High B tier quality wise

Not sure if it's officially rated on the tier list but I saw some reviews on it a while back

[cyan ravine]

With the power behaviour of the 4090 I'm inclined against that

I'd want something at least RMe-ish level

[mossy venture]

Have to have suggested it a dozen or more times by now for a 4090 without hearing of any issues

[cyan ravine]

Also 850W is fine for this spec btw

[mossy venture]

Ye I'd just spend the 10 extra for the white cables

[cyan ravine]

Hmmm

[mossy venture]

I'll do a deep dive on the psu tmrw

[cyan ravine]

No need

I just never saw the review

Is the white one atx 3.0?

Yes it is

Wth

@mossy venture not B. Ignore dumb list

It's andyson competing with seasonic vertex

Vertex is like the golden child of current gen rn

I take it all back, good suggestion

@dawn steppe https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YDr67R new suggestion

[cyan ravine]

^

[cyan ravine]

^

[cyan ravine]

^

My choice if you wanted all white (acceptable since this is about a 7% increase over the current baseline and an actually top end 4090 regardless):
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VtPQzy/msi-suprim-liquid-x-geforce-rtx-4090-24-gb-video-card-geforce-rtx-4090-suprim-liquid-x-24g

Mount the gpu rad to the front, would be unconventional looking, but the build would at that point be faster in every way than what you had earlier

Aorus xtreme pcb is just a pretty regular 20 or 24 phase design with no binning and a very basic radiator and pump

Vs the surprim which has on card vrm cooling, 28 phase pcb and a binned core (One of the only brands that does this for 4090 btw)

[stoic island]

By the way, I don't think I remembered to note that for a wishlist like this, it will change with time, especially if you think you'll be a few months out from being able to get it, new parts will come, 9000x3d should come Q1 next year, there might be something that changes up the GPU landscape, there could be newer better PSU, ram, cooler, cases etc that could come out or changes things up

[stuck laurel]

so i have my gpu but the cord that goes to it does it need to be plugged in straight to the motherboard or into the power supply its self into then into gpu?

[strong raft]

@stuck laurel Just curious where on mobo you'd plug it in? Actually, just ignore that. There's a reason 1 item in the pc is called the power supply. it supplies power to other stuff like mobo, gpu, cpu. The port top left of mobo is cpu power (4+4 split end to mobo). For gpu, split 6+2 end. --- required is 24pin (both connectors on psu end), 1 cpu cable, 1+ gpu cables.

[stuck laurel]

is this going to always show two gpus since my cpu has intergrated graphics ?

[stuck laurel]

One more question i already have my games and stuff imma use downloaded but now when i turn off the pc and turn it back on it shows those mob lights then it goes away after like 80 seconds then I get picture how can I stop that

[odd venture]

got my memory running at 6000 MHz, all I did was enable XMP Profile. Turns out there are 2 of them. First one is 7200 MHz, Second is 6000 MHz. I chose the second, and it booted with zero issue. No voltage changes or anything like that were done.

[potent portal]

AMD or Intel?
Nvm silly question

[tawny violet]

@minor garnet What monitor arm do you use in this pic? #build-pics message

[jagged ember]

Left arm

[tawny violet]

lmao

[analog hearth]

@minor garnet What monitor is that OLED?

[cyan ravine]

@minor garnet what brand is that headphone?

[crimson zinc]

@minor garnet what skin is that for sombra?

[languid nimbus]

@minor garnet where’d you get that NFT?

[minor garnet]

Msi mpg 321urx

[raw dove]

stupid question, tried google but didnt get a rlly good answer

[minor garnet]

Corsair

[raw dove]

how long does it take for amazon to actually process a charge

[minor garnet]

Jester

[raw dove]

i got my card spending limit raised just for today and wanna make sure it goes through

[minor garnet]

Ergotron LX dual arm

[tawny violet]

nice

[crimson zinc]

It’s when it ships

[raw dove]

i see

thank you

[cursive atlas]

is it safe to play a game like valorant the first day i have the pc setup

or should i play small games then big games another day

[mossy venture]

Yes

Tech is tech

[raw dove]

could someone list me some monitors again

1440p for main one and whatever would work for a secondary

just for displaying discord or smth

[mossy venture]

For main
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WPkJsh

[analog hearth]

Man I wish I had the money for OLED

[mossy venture]

I'm copping one black Fridayish

Have $200 in gift cards and will ahve another $200 by then

[raw dove]

appreciate it

[mossy venture]

Yo, not sure if you ordered all your parts yet

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D4D9J2MF

This just popped up, ram is worth about $95, ssd is worth about $110 buying separately

[clever lance]

same combo is ~$172 on newegg...and u get a flash drive

[mossy venture]

Ooh dope

[raw dove]

i did but i might be able to cancel

[mossy venture]

it's up to you, you end up paying more but you get another tb of storage

you can always add more later, you've got 2 extra slots on that mobo

games are pretty big atm though

[raw dove]

how much more is it

[mossy venture]

i downloaded warzone the other day, was 150gb

$172 for ram+ssd vs $92+60 if i remember right'

[raw dove]

so like $20

thats worth it

plus the ram has colors

😁

[runic spruce]

U don’t have to break in pc parts or anything

They’re already performing as they should out of the box

[mossy venture]

@cyan ravine do you happen to have a 7900xtx/4080 super solidworks comparison off hand?

[haughty sable]

Looking for a micro center build that's max is 2k

[dusky hearth]

At least?

You should specify a max budget rather than a minimum budget

[dry junco]

is the 16 gig rtx 4060 ti good for a high performance gaming rig? Im planning to get the Gigabyte gefore trx 4060 Ti windforce oc 16g with 128 bit GDDr6

[dusky hearth]

"high performance gaming rig" with the 4060 ti

4060 ti isn't worth it

[dry junco]

it’s only 300 tho

[dusky hearth]

What is your full build budget for the pc

[dry junco]

anything really

[dusky hearth]

No budget?

4090 would be the best GPU then

[dry junco]

im getting the ryzen 7 7800x3d with the b650e-f

[dusky hearth]

4060ti would be hella underpowered for that cpu

[dry junco]

okay what would be the next best choice cuz that’s a 2 grand gpu

okay

[dusky hearth]

4080 super is better value on the Nvidia side

Or you could get a Rx 7900gre

Or xtx if you want something more on par with the 4080s

The gre is the best value though afaik

[dry junco]

what is better the rx 7900gre or the 4080 cuz they are basically the same price

[dusky hearth]

7900gre for raster

[dry junco]

i just found a 7900 gre for 540$

[dusky hearth]

Also wait, same price? 4080 technically would outperform it? I don't remember the exact performance details, but 7900gre is the best price to perf currently on the market

[dry junco]

okay

i was reading the wrong one

its only 540

but the 1080 is 1k

[dusky hearth]

The 1080???

Old ass GPU

I assume you meant 4080

[crimson zinc]

So is a 3070ti

@dry junco what’s your budget and desired purpose?

Let me start you over.

[haughty sable]

https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/custom-pc-builder.aspx?load=45e2dce5-70d6-4432-86f3-a0d8dbe5b5b0 Here is my current build if someone can look at and tweak it so it will be under 2k and optimized. I also want to try and keep the 3080 in there

[crimson zinc]

Do you need to get from microcenter?

[haughty sable]

yeah

[crimson zinc]

Alright

[dusky hearth]

They're using the build service from them

[mossy venture]

4070 super=3080 ti but cheaper, lower wattage, and newer features

Oh at $450 that's a great choice

My bad

https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/custom-pc-builder.aspx?load=39c760c0-327f-46e4-ad99-46307bff2b52

The 4tb I'd buy separately, I'm 99% sure you can buy parts not on mucrocenter and bring them in store and they'll use them for the build, which would get you a better value build. If not you can just add the second nvme yourself, it's super easy

I'll grab a list for the parts I'd buy separately

[haughty sable]

Cool

[mossy venture]

Included a couple choices for nvme/cooler
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QRK2t7

Case is personal preference, there's a lot of other options if you're not a fan of the aesthetic

903 max is also a good choice, just a bit overpriced at microcenter

[haughty sable]

Could I switch out the 2tb for the 4tb?

[mossy venture]

Yeah

Could do 2 2tb, 1 4tb, 2 4tb, any array

The gm7000 and g70 pro graphene are both on par with the 990 evo/980 pro and similar

[haughty sable]

does that motherboard have a second m.2 slot?

[mossy venture]

Yes, it has three if I remember right but I'll check

Yep 3

4 sata slots if you ever need more storage as well

So potentially could do 3x4tb nvme 4x4-8tb sata ssds, or 8-16tb hdds lmao

Even cheap builds typically have options for tons of storage nowadays

(This isn't a cheap build)

[haughty sable]

why is the crucial P3 4tb m.2 cheaper than the samsung?

[dusky hearth]

Samsung used to be the top dog, so they haven't lowered their prices

They even recently had a scandal of a line of their like 980 Evo or whatever dying randomly due to bad firmware from factory

[haughty sable]

uh oh

[dusky hearth]

Fixed with a firmware update

[haughty sable]

Thats good

[dusky hearth]

Though there wasn't a recall for affected units

[haughty sable]

so would the 990 pro be fine?

as in they won't die

[mossy venture]

Update the firmware just in case

There's still some old stock mixed in, but odds are it's a non issue either way. 100% safe without the faulty firmware

[dusky hearth]

There are better value options if you haven't bought it though

[haughty sable]

How would I update the firmware when I get it?

[dusky hearth]

There's a firmware update tool

You might even be able to ask microcenter to help do it for you

[haughty sable]

Cool, If my store closes at 6pm and I have to order it 4 hours before closing I'd assume I cant get it today

[mossy venture]

definitely not

[haughty sable]

got it

Thank you to everyone that helped me!!!

[crimson zinc]

AHHHHH

[dusky hearth]

Wtf

[runic flare]

Is I7 14th gen the best CPU for $400 range?

[potent portal]

Is this for gaming?

[runic flare]

Yeah

Fortnite mainly

[strong raft]

I7 might be somewhat a waste for that. If trying to spend $200 or so, Perhaps go i5 13600k/14600k, or amd.

[mossy venture]

If you have a microventer, 7800x3d or 7600x3d

Otherwise 7600/7700/x or 13600k

[runic flare]

Wdym a waste? Will those be enough for 240fps?

[strong raft]

The extra 2Pcores won't really help fortnite. The Ecores can handle background stuff. It's why I was ok w/ a $200 14600KF, just haven't popped it in yet.

[runic flare]

Alright thank you

[raw dove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QMVmP6/samsung-t350-220-1920x1080-75-hz-monitor-lf22t350fhnxza

would this make for a decent secondary monitor?

[mossy venture]

That would be fine, there's also this
https://www.ebay.com/itm/145639530809

[crimson zinc]

Yeah get this

[manic cloak]

Big time issue if it’s sitting idle at 50C with memory temp at 63-66C? For gpu btw

Turned on fans, mem temp is at 54C, 33C in just gpu itself, 39C for hotspot

[flint sapphire]

What’s it under load? Are you on air or water?

[manic cloak]

Ran everything at 100% fan speed, mem temp did not budge, hotspot stayed at 56C, cpu and hot spot was 34-40C

[manic cloak]

I just turned it on about 10 minutes ago, hopped on a game that has no problems with my pc running it and it just became a jet engine for a second

Air

[flint sapphire]

It should be totally normal if it’s air

[manic cloak]

For a GPU?

[flint sapphire]

Sure

[manic cloak]

Alright I just don’t wanna risk it atm

[flint sapphire]

Radeon tends to run a tad hotter then team green anyways

[manic cloak]

Ik it’s time for me to repaste n everything just I haven’t gotten it

[manic cloak]

The amount of 4070 supers and 4070tis on Facebook marketplace lately been tempting

[flint sapphire]

7800xt to one of those doesn’t seem like much of a upgrade… have you been experiencing issues with it?

[manic cloak]

Like a gigabyte 4070ti eagle for 550$

[manic cloak]

Not many issues, just more like heating issues.

[flint sapphire]

What have games just started chugging?

[manic cloak]

About 2ish months ago it lost a significant amount of performance from stress tests likely cause of how hot it’s ran

[manic cloak]

Well sea of thieves is certainly one, and I don’t max out settings. Counter strike I noticed a little bit along with AFOP funny enough

[flint sapphire]

66 isn’t bad. My 3080ti hits 68 cuz I haven’t repasted it. You can always down clock it or lower some voltages if you need too

[manic cloak]

Avatar frontier

[manic cloak]

This is idle though

[flint sapphire]

What’s was it under gaming load

[manic cloak]

No clue, I can’t see radeons hot bar with Roblox

Usually Roblox doesn’t run hot or much either

[flint sapphire]

Don’t have hwinfo? Or msiafterburner

[manic cloak]

Nope 😭

[flint sapphire]

Those games you mentioned tend to be cpu bound btw

[potent portal]

Alt-R should open the radeon overlay that shows temps, if not you need to enable it in settings

[manic cloak]

I know which is strange

[flint sapphire]

cpu self destructing from bad code incoming

[manic cloak]

I have my keybind set to windows shift o for the overlay in the top right corner

[manic cloak]

Doesn’t help if I got a meteor lake waiting to be updated

I haven’t heard much about Asus’s testing with the x129 or whatever

Cause I remember it was Felix or somebody here I was talking with the night before they released testing for the x125 for asus boards

And asus had the download available, next day apparently the update killed 35% of the performance

[potent portal]

A 13600K should be ok as long as you didn't push it and it's not a really bad bin

[manic cloak]

Ya no I haven’t touched with any of the voltage

Only issue is I got 2-4 bent pins

[potent portal]

Ground pins?

[manic cloak]

But it hasn’t affected my PC from what I can see..

[manic cloak]

CPU pins, idk which pins

[flint sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/running-toad-runningtoad-gif-26294244

What if it’s a bad bin

[potent portal]

Bad bin is still fine, I'm talking bottom 3% being not fine

[manic cloak]

Back during the time I managed to get thermal paste inside my socket but managed to get everything out w/o bending..

Also bad bin, could somebody tell me what that is..

[flint sapphire]

It’s the % chance your cpu sucks

It’s like the opposite of winning the lottery

[potent portal]

Every CPU that passes validation is able to hit the advertised speeds, but some with more defects than others may require more voltage to be able to hit those speeds. That would be a bad bin. Conversely, a good bin requires less voltage.

[manic cloak]

Ahh

With my luck likely a bad bin

And I’ve been rocking DDR4 so my 13600k is currently been held back

[flint sapphire]

Some mobo companies just jack up voltages out the gate… 👀 msi (my current mobo)

[manic cloak]

I should have bought that 45$ z790 ddr4 msi towahawk refrub from newegg awhile ago..

Would of been a field day regutting my pc

[flint sapphire]

That’s not that bad, imo new psu’s are the worst especially with different pinouts

[manic cloak]

I have a very old psu technically

750GT, got it from GameStop

I’m telling you, the amount of dust it had on top of it when I got it back in late late 2022 was scary

[flint sapphire]

It’s probably fine

[manic cloak]

I haven’t blown up

Not just yet though

[potent portal]

Good news, one of the pins that has the most paste on it is not used since you're using DDR4.
Bad news, other ones with paste on them are VDD2, aka core voltage, which can cause instability.

[manic cloak]

that photo is over a year old fyi, and I made sure there was 0 thermal paste left'

but..

that's very concerning

[flint sapphire]

Btw what’s going on right there

[manic cloak]

now how would I figure out if i've been cooked

[manic cloak]

long story short, I had to pay microcenter 30$ to bios update and the dude took care of my barebones like a pinata.

[flint sapphire]

Ah fun so just bent pins?

[manic cloak]

just bent pins that was packed into a mobo box, he couldn't even fully close it because the ram was sticking out

brute force at it's finest on that box

idk where I put it but I know there's a crease in it

Anyways how would I check if the core voltage is unstable?

[potent portal]

I just realized that pic is upside down, I need to recheck the pinout hang on

[manic cloak]

😭

[potent portal]

Bent pins looks like a sensor and ground pins so they're probably fine

And the paste managed to only hit the ground pins as seen on the left

Smaller smudge on the right got ground and an ODT pin (memory related)

[manic cloak]

Oh that’s less heartbreaking

[potent portal]

Larger glob on the right mostly hit memory pins

As long as you're not having memory problems I'd say you're in the clear

[manic cloak]

Not that I’ve noticed

I did a really damn good job cleaning the thermal paste with a sewing needle

[potent portal]

Then I think we can chalk it up to you being one lucky SOB

[flint sapphire]

I prefer panik mode

https://tenor.com/view/meme-man-panik-moving-head-gif-17318955

[manic cloak]

Luck isn’t my thing personally

No joke I gamble on Roblox and ive gone “home” many times 🤑🤑🤑

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-PRO-MAX-WiFi-Motherboard/dp/B0CJSJ9TB3/ref=mp_s_a_1_17_so_MOTHERBOARD?crid=3GYF4U1E18Q3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.xtuAMhUgTZfrfFcSRhUg3-mPGXp4tpKcHU0-C9PYsDbW4ld1CXOKdiH99OPhSNKs9kZakqORNNCLr37XtJD-RR32esek98a9ydc_20fCAzaF7PBqnnv9gSpB6RzZtEhEfbywAsVVFoHG59IqQL4vyCPgVNYkQxYGLyvZkbzkQKivBZBfqpgbA4g_jouPxK2L7tT6GhZTAVyNsdVdQclQ1g.UnzAFGX8B-pEdrQzrxg2QmFO21YTaVn6ON-G6w5luek&dib_tag=se&keywords=motherboards&m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ&qid=1726474277&s=warehouse-deals&sprefix=motherboards%2Caps%2C135&sr=8-17

Wait that deleted the sellers..

[potent portal]

I say if you plan on doing a mobo swap wait until next gen is out at the end of next month

[manic cloak]

Wait already?

[flint sapphire]

That’s how it goes

[manic cloak]

😭

[potent portal]

Current gen will go down in price shortly after launch of next gen

[flint sapphire]

One day you’re ontop of the gen then seemingly the very next day you’re behind 2 generations and missing out on a 20% perf bump

[manic cloak]

I mean the 13600k itself is a powerhouse atm

15th gen it better not rip a 750w psu

Hopefully they go for the trend of “power efficient”

[potent portal]

I'd consider 13th gen to still be current since Intel decided to play stupid games

[manic cloak]

14th gen doesn’t exist

[potent portal]

It does, but only when it's cheaper than 13th

[manic cloak]

That’s going to be never

Unless it’s the i3

[potent portal]

I've seen it a couple times already

[manic cloak]

actually?

[potent portal]

14th gen sales were bad, but bad in the way that made it good for us

[flint sapphire]

Sounds about right

[manic cloak]

Sounds like the 9000s screnario atm

Got me wondering is it believed that the 15th gen is going to be 20% better with more power usage?

Or is it about the same

I know it’s got a bigger socket now but no clue if it’s a difference

[potent portal]

The thing with next gen Intel is that it's supposedly 20% better on "p-cores" but no hyper threading

So they might compete with the 7800X3D in gaming finally but in multi core you might see times where it loses to last gen

[manic cloak]

Soooo basically switch to AMD when the new gen of intel comes out

Or stick with the 13th gen, doesn’t sound half bad rn

[flint sapphire]

Switch to whatever is cost effective

And only if you need to

[potent portal]

AMD isn't doing so hot either right now

We still don't know what the 9800X3D will look like

[flint sapphire]

Oh right I forgot about that laughs in 5800x3d

[manic cloak]

Oh I hope it’s as bad as the 7600x3d..

They’re just throwing the x3d on everything now

[flint sapphire]

X3d is fine on whatever they throw it on

[potent portal]

The 7600X3D is made out of 7800X3D and 7900X3D chips that failed validation on one or more cores or CCDs

It's a way to reduce waste

[manic cloak]

I thought it was just a 7600x with the 3D slapped on it

I have not seen a single good review

[potent portal]

Some people delidded their 7800X3D to find that it had 2 CCDs on it, and they were made from failed 7950X3Ds

[covert vapor]

You won't see many reviews because they are microcenter exclusives, but they are essentially most of the performance of the 7800x3d

[potent portal]

They're like 5% worse yeah

Which still makes it one of the best CPUs for gaming

[covert vapor]

5% less perf for something like 130 less dollars

[potent portal]

They're $300 rn, and the 7800X3D just keeps going up because of demand

Last I saw it was approaching $500

Oh pcpp has it at 501 now

[manic cloak]

So if I were to even buy an AMD set

7600x3d would be the choice atm?

[potent portal]

If you're near a microcenter yes

[manic cloak]

Even if the 7800x3d was at 350

[manic cloak]

Luckily I am

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006834/amd-ryzen-5-7600x3d,-asus-tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

Not bad tbh

[potent portal]

Even in this case, it's 95% of the performance for 85% of the cost

[manic cloak]

Wow

So I haven’t seen any good details on this then

[potent portal]

The lowest the 7800X3D got was $335, if it was that close then it would be worth it imo

But as of now the 7800X3D is $390 at microcenter

30% premium over the 7600X3D

[manic cloak]

Plus you gotta add on the various new customer coupons they offer

Though idk if I’m reading this right

Techpowerup saying the 7600x3d is 1% worse than the 13600k

https://www.techpowerup.com/326342/amd-ryzen-5-7600x3d-beats-ryzen-7-9700x-zen-5-at-gaming?amp

Unless I’m on the wrong page

[potent portal]

That's the forum

[manic cloak]

I love websites on mobile

[potent portal]

TPU charts always slightly favor Intel too

Just the way they do the reviews

Here's the source on that image btw, it's a german site
https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen-5-7600X3D-CPU-280796/Tests/Benchmark-Release-Preis-Effizienz-GPU-Grafik-1455138/

That seems to be what everyone is referencing in their news too

[strong knoll]

is there someone that can help me out rq im tryna buy a computer and i wanna make sure im getting a good price for what it has

[mossy venture]

Hey! I could help

[restive halo]

Hey guys. Got a weird issue I have never ran into. Anyone have time to help?

[flint sapphire]

I have no time but I’m intrigued explain 👀

[restive halo]

Built the PC and it boots. Hooked up the usb windows boot and it will go to the blue screen but nothing but a blue screen.

[dusky hearth]

Don't ask to ask, just write your issue so if anybody has any idea, they can pop in and answer yeah

[dusky hearth]

Blue screen like bsod? Or just a blue coloured screen with no text or anything

You may want to try making your windows installation media again

[restive halo]

Just blue screen with nothing on it

[dusky hearth]

Yeah I'll try reflashing the installation media again and see if that fixes it

[crimson zinc]

What’s a gpu with similar performance to a 5600g cpu?

[mossy venture]

1030 gddr5

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare

5600g would scale with tuned ram though

[crimson zinc]

Trying to find something I can buy used for around $40.
Just for a parts list for a marketplace listing.

1030 sells for frustratingly higher than a 970ti

[mossy venture]

960, 770, 780, 1050, rx 550 are fine too

I've also seen 580s and similar under $60

[severe dove]

how to only enable x3d cores?

[obsidian wigeon]

all the cores are 3d cache

you mean disabling second ccd?

[severe dove]

I don't know what I'm looking for honestly, I just heard someone say enabling only 3d gets u more fps

[obsidian wigeon]

that problem wouldn't exist if you get the 8 core sku

like the 7800x3d

basically all you would ever want for gaming

[cyan ravine]

Via bios or using process lasso for specific apps

[jagged ember]

How would you even know which core to use?

Or which to block

[odd venture]

a quick blast of break cleaner will also work but be careful

i can't recommend this, and i've only done it once

sometimes chemicals like that can interact with different plastics, and make it literally fall apart

i know im late to that discussion but anyway

Has Intel fixed their processor issues yet? 0x129? has anything really been solved? Should I buy a 13900K? Should I wait? Will it ever be solved?

[dusky hearth]

I wouldn't recommend using brake cleaner

Electrical contact cleaner is a better choice, since they're pretty much just aerosol cans of isopropyl

[analog hearth]

Like if it's a 7900X3D you can block a whole CCX, blocking four of the cores and basically turning it into a 7800X3D

[jagged ember]

Brake cleaner on a CPU is something I've never heard before

[odd venture]

I tried that, didn't work

I was trying to get thermal paste out the cpu socket. Worked great btw

I just don't recommend it.

It could literally disintegrate the plastic used on the cpu socket if there's a reaction

[dusky hearth]

Yeah I don't think anyone should, unless you know for sure that the specific formulation you have is safe for the specific plastic the socket is made of

Also how did you get thermal paste in the socket anyways

[cyan ravine]

Agesa labels each core specifically 0-15

You can very easily identify which ccd is 3d and which isn't and it's recurring from boot to boot

In bios you can target ccd's as well

[restive halo]

anyone have time to help me for a minute?

[potent portal]

What's the problem?

[restive halo]

@potent portal So I finished this pc put windows on it but it will not allow me to open edge so I cant really do much else?

[potent portal]

Does Settings open?

If so it might want you to update it

[cyan ravine]

Is it running slow af

Or not opening anything

[restive halo]

Mot running slow just wont open

[cyan ravine]

Maybe stuttering?

If it's stuttering - not just edge not opening then it could be hardware related

But edge on it's own being the only weird one might just be a bug of the install

sfc /scannow

Might help

[restive halo]

I updated but nothing

[restive halo]

Do a fresh install?

[cyan ravine]

Try this in admin command prompt

[potent portal]

Ok, in addition to sfc /scannow in an admin command window, also run dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth

[cyan ravine]

If it finds anything, reinstall, maybe a fresh usb that wasn't the victim of some corruption like I read earlier

Starting fresh on a positive sfc install is sus

[potent portal]

I have seen the USB be the issue for the installer as well

[cyan ravine]

Me too

[potent portal]

Could be worth clearing cmos just in case

?cmos

[jolly river]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[jagged ember]

SFC dism first

Then CMOS

Then new USB

Funny how Edge is the thing to fail tho lol

[cyan ravine]

Corruption manifests in interesting ways

[jagged ember]

The one thing Microsoft tries to force down their users throat

[cyan ravine]

My i/o issues on ryzen 7k were with explorer dying

[restive halo]

one sec let me start trying everything lol

scanning now

[potent portal]

Yeah that's not good for a fresh install

[cyan ravine]

Absolutely wipe that drive and start again

Highly recommend a new usb

[restive halo]

doing now

doing now

[restive halo]

Checking now power went out

[stoic island]

Power went out and it gave you that? It sounds like you gotta get a new installation media again, likely borked itself

[restive halo]

no this was after

[stoic island]

Either way it looks like you need to remake the installation media

[restive halo]

Im starting to think that where Im downloading it from is the issue

[stoic island]

Should be straight from windows, may have to download it again and discard the previous one

[restive halo]

Also its taking like 20 mins to make a usb boot drive at 100mb sec?

[stoic island]

That's weird, it usually takes like 5min on random USB sticks

[restive halo]

doing it again now for the 3rd time different drive

something is sketchy ugh

[stoic island]

Download this thing over again
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/create-installation-media-for-windows-99a58364-8c02-206f-aa6f-40c3b507420d

[restive halo]

thats where I was

Its a new pc. New nvme

[manic cloak]

BRAKE CLEANER?

ngl, with how Asus builts their motherboard's, I got a feeling something will just corrode.

[manic cloak]

but ya I should probably remention his comment because I need to know this aswell for my 13600k 😭

[manic cloak]

It's likely solved but i've been told 15th gen drops next month or so. So don't buy just yet.

[restive halo]

Gave me this again

@stoic island#building-and-recc-chat message

I have been trying to get this to work for 2 hours

[stoic island]

It appears windows just really hates you

Assuming you've tried different USB sticks and redownload the installation media at this point

May want to check the health of the drive through cdi in windows if at all possible

[restive halo]

lol thank you haha

[restive halo]

I used 3 different drives

[potent portal]

I'm thinking the drive you installed to is bad

[stoic island]

I'm talking about suspecting the m.2 drive you're installing windows on, not the USB drive

[restive halo]

@stoic island oh

It's brand new. Uhh

I have one spare drive I can try

[restive halo]

Trying now

Brand new drive

[analog hearth]

Are you putting just the ISO file on the USB drive?

[potent portal]

If that's an entirely different target to install Windows on, then you might have a memory problem. Are you using slots 2 and 4, counting from the CPU?

[cyan ravine]

New install?

Sorry I'm back, being 16 hours overseas, I had to close my eyes for a bit

[restive halo]

Yes

When I go to list the volume on my disk the only thing that comes up is the flashdrive?

[cyan ravine]

That should be expected behaviour

[potent portal]

That means there's no partitions on disk 0

[cyan ravine]

But on a new install and you have the true bsod? That's not expected behaviour

I would consider a windows ram test tbh or swap to a temporary different drive

[restive halo]

How do I fix this

I have been at it for hours

[cyan ravine]

Anta777 tm5 is a strong candidate

However windows seems out of the question so we try plan Z

The one no one normally suggests

Memtest86+

[restive halo]

?

[cyan ravine]

Memtest86 also works but less reliable

[cyan ravine]

Download and install either of these to a usb, and set them up to run a test, they will test the ram

You should look into the settings of the tests right before they begin to run "Parallel" (All cpus)

[potent portal]

I don't think this was answered either. Are you using slots 2 and 4?

[cyan ravine]

Worth answering that too yeah

[restive halo]

All 4 slots

[cyan ravine]

All 4...

What ram is this

[restive halo]

Should I take them out

[cyan ravine]

Speed and capacity pls

[potent portal]

Are all 4 sticks from the same package, aka kit

[cyan ravine]

Well hold on let's learn what they are first

[restive halo]

TForce. Let me check because he already had them

[cyan ravine]

Ok

Pop all 4 out to clarify too

[potent portal]

If they're from the same kit then the serial numbers should be in order

[cyan ravine]

They come with batch numbers, usually listed as year and month

[restive halo]

All 4 are the same and worked before the motherboard and cpu upgrade

[cyan ravine]

Same in appearance probably

[restive halo]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

But stick and serial could be mixed

Pcb could be different underneath

[restive halo]

Ok one sec

[cyan ravine]

If it's also high capacity, an assumed setting may in fact be the source of the issue

e.g 128gb at 3600MHz

Or 128gb ddr5 at any normal ddr5 speed

[potent portal]

Ideally here you would take out all 4 sticks and line them up so all the labels fit in a picture so we can decode them

[cyan ravine]

@restive halo for clarity a picture for us would be solid, of the sticks and the sticker on the back

I didn't read your message fal lmao

Brain's in sync

Using mixed capacities can also have a dramatic effect on stability

[restive halo]

Sorry ill do that now

[potent portal]

Serials are not sequential

That's 2 different kits

[restive halo]

So how should I install them

1 and 3 2 and 4

[cyan ravine]

Matching pcb's not sequential serial

See the serial number

Try 21 and 22

Last 2 digits

[potent portal]

^ in slots 2 and 4

[cyan ravine]

Yep

Install windows with specifically only those

See what happens

[restive halo]

Ok one sec

[cyan ravine]

I suspect same manu, similar pcb, different ic if this leads to a working system

[potent portal]

ditto

[cyan ravine]

Serials are VERY similar, so it could even be same batch, bad stick

He probably bought them maybe a day apart

[restive halo]

Working. WTF

So serial numbers matter that much. WOW

[potent portal]

Mixing memory kits like this sometimes causes SERIOUS problems, like in this case.

[mossy venture]

I had two months of non stop blue screens from mixing two 3600c18 kits

[potent portal]

They likely use different memory dies, and the old system was happier running the mixed dies enough to where it was stable. The new system does not like it.

[mossy venture]

Didn't realize the correlation and almost got my account banned on valorant for dcing so often lmao

[restive halo]

OMG i was working on this for 4 hours. I took my ps5 apart and tried that drive. I took my PC apart and tried that drive

[cyan ravine]

Yep so we say this a lot

Even buying the same kit a day apart can result in a completely different set of ram

They look the same, run to the same speed

Different underneath

[potent portal]

It is a pretty unusual problem. Something most people wouldn't ever think of, let alone encounter.

[cyan ravine]

In this case, the serial numbers are so close together this will be the same batch

But one of the sticks is kicking the can

That OR

The motherboard has disgusting channels 1 and 3

/gone bad

What really gave it away was the true BSOD

The bsod that happens from too broken of a windows, asking for a fixed boot device

Usually lines it up to ram (dram/ssd) stability or cpu stability

[potent portal]

Yep the checksum mismatch. That would mean either A) the checksum was miscalculated [CPU issue] or B) it was stored incorrectly [RAM or SSD issue].

[cyan ravine]

@restive halo I would suggest obtaining a separate kit of 2x16gb ddr4

You can test and sell the 4 sticks you have rn

Or trade, tbh, if they all work

Would trade in acknowledgement of your issues of running all 4 together though to cover anyone saying they have issues later

If you find nothing wrong with them in 2 sticks each configurations

3200 2x16gb goes for a pretty stable $50-ish these days new, or $30-ish used

[potent portal]

3600 is also often the same price as 3200

[cyan ravine]

Yep

Whichever is supported by your system is fine

[crimson zinc]

So wife’s fo4 was crashing non-stop for days.
Yesterday, I decided it was time for me to sit down and see what was going on

Her 1660s was attempting to run her games in upscaled 4K by default

Needless to say, her games now run very smoothly

[restive halo]

Thank you all so much

[cyan ravine]

Np

[restive halo]

Anyone have a good 12v to 5v inverter cord? His PC 9nly has 1 5v and 2 12 volt

[potent portal]

Huh

[stoic island]

For RGB/argb?

Better to use a splitter

[potent portal]

OH yeah rgb. Those aren't compatible. At all.

They're totally different signaling patterns, even if the voltage were transformed correctly it wouldn't work.

[stoic island]

If you have 1 5v argb header and you need 2 or (sometimes) 3, you should just use a splitter

[potent portal]

https://www.amazon.com/Jstincal-Splitter-Addressable-Extension-Computer/dp/B0C59BF1T3/

[stoic island]

Yea random image for demonstration

[dusky hearth]

why did they say inverter that has nothing to do with rgb

mysterious

[potent portal]

Probably just didn't know the "proper" term but I think we figured it out

[stoic island]

Logically if you know one is 12v and 5v and don't know much more than that it sounds like you just need to step it down

[dusky hearth]

true, but inverters arent step down/buck converters

ah well

good old lack of standard pc rgb implementation

well, somewhat lack

[stoic island]

Argb is cooler than RGB, but it's unfortunate it's 5v, need something else for it in 12vo systems

[potent portal]

In 12VO the motherboard is in charge of power conversion to 5V and 3.3V as needed

[stoic island]

Yep

Can't use my favorite method of using sata to power a hub

[potent portal]

12VO should be the standard by now tbh, it's just so much more efficient even if the motherboards would be more expensive.

All you would need is a hub with a step down built in

[stoic island]

It is kinda funny how the 5v and 3.3v rails can be more efficient than 12v on modern PSUs though

But 12vo only would be more efficient in general

[potent portal]

Power supplies would be cheaper and smaller too

[stoic island]

Imagine flex ATX as the standard PSU form factor

[potent portal]

Flex ATX and every PSU hits 80+ platinum or titanium because it's so much easier to convert just one voltage

That's how Dell does it

SFX power supplies would be so much better too

[lean anchor]

Anyone have experience with the Lian LI Uni Triple 120's by chance?

I realize the irony of asking that here. Forgive me it's um early.

[cyan ravine]

Yes. After tons of experience with the software, the price, the quality, albeit their earlier models

Don't buy them

Extremely expensive, bloaty software, short cables which cause more management issues than fix, poor thermal performance

[lean anchor]

Basically they are just for looks then...

[cyan ravine]

The only thing good is the fan controller, that thing is genuinely good, but needs bios control

Yes

And even then, sama has them beat

One second

I'll show you the same thing for a fraction of the price

https://youtube.com/shorts/8W1eGgJAUEU

[lean anchor]

Got you beat, already looking on amazon XD

[cyan ravine]

Same thing, like a third or* fifth the price

[lean anchor]

You aren't kidding though

[cyan ravine]

If you want looks like this, sama is gonna be the better pick, also no proprietary software needed

And you won't feel bad spending a gpu upgrade's worth on the look

Sama btw, lian li oem

So uh, you don't lose out on quality either

Lmao

[lean anchor]

Okay, so what's the difference between reverse and normal fans. One is for pulling in and the other blowing I'm, assuming?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

The fan cage can be hidden by picking the right version

Looks cleaner

[lean anchor]

I have a fish bowl 😛

[cyan ravine]

Thermalright and montech have options for this

Not sure if sama has one

[lean anchor]

Not terribly worried about the cage, I have one intake and two exhaust, currently

But was looking to change it up when I got new fans.

Currently have a black exhaust that came with my case, 3 white on my rad as exhaust and 2 intakes that are white and look atrocious because I had to flip them around to use them as intakes since I apparently just learned to read yesterday 😛

So I figured get all white to match the build, but really didn't know what to buy to start me off. So it seems I need 3 regular and 3 reverse. Do they by chance make fans with the LCD to display temp info?

[cyan ravine]

Nah if you want the funny lcd business you got two options

[lean anchor]

Infinity LCD it is then...

[cyan ravine]

#1 buy into the big brand gimmicks, only really thermalright has budget lcd aios, the rest are yucky expensive

#2 get an old phone, and a usb, mount it to the case, use that

Or, better still, stream deck mini tbh is great for this

I would pick that over gimmick fans, you can do other things as well as seeing temps

[lean anchor]

I mean it's not a huge deal to be honest. Thought it might be nice, but in all honesty I would rather have the looks rather than the LCDs

[cyan ravine]

Yeah, imo really not worth it

For the price of a whole set of lcd unifans, you could almost afford an oled monitor

And oled is kinda, buy once, never buy again kinda levels of amazing

[lean anchor]

You aren't wrong

I could get an ultra wide for around 399 right now if I really wanted it, but I would lose out on desk space. Also I have another odd question.

[cyan ravine]

Sure hit me

[lean anchor]

So I have a 32" TV right, and I wanted to mount it over my main monitor, by chance you wouldn't happen to know if a monitor mount would work with it would you?

[cyan ravine]

That depends on a ton of factors, how handyman are you lol

[lean anchor]

Listen, the extent of my "handyman" skills begin with hammer, and end with duct tape.

All jokes aside, I'm decent

[cyan ravine]

Haha

[lean anchor]

Not great, but I can get by

[cyan ravine]

So give me an idea whats below and behind the tv in this fantasy position

[lean anchor]

Below is a 28" Gigabyte monitor and behind it is empty wall, just no studs otherwise I would use the mount I have.

[cyan ravine]

Interesting, no studs at all on the wall?

Across that whole 32"?

[lean anchor]

Not that I have found, tbh it's not a load supporting wall. My office is a closet, that boarders another closet and has no electrical outlets. Well actually now that I look they have a stud, but that's a full 16" from where I need the TV to be, and that's a long way to stretch that mount lol

[cyan ravine]

Yeah that's uh

I mean there are ways

But probably all very undesirable

Is the desk fixed?

[lean anchor]

No, but limited on space 😛

[cyan ravine]

That's fine

[lean anchor]

Actual closet

[cyan ravine]

Does the desk have overhangs on the edges

[lean anchor]

Not metaphorical

Not on the back side

[cyan ravine]

Perfect

[lean anchor]

It has a metal bar that goes under the wood

[cyan ravine]

Desk clamp mount

Hmm

Close to edge?

[lean anchor]

Meets the edge perfectly

[cyan ravine]

That's concerning

[lean anchor]

I already have desk mount and it works just fine there

[cyan ravine]

If you could find the right clamp to mount there then yeah

Large pole to go above the m28u

Mount tv to that with gigabyte

32" needs a vesa adapter on the back

100x100

400x400 is for tv mounts, monitor mounts iirc don't normally carry 400x400

For context, 4"x4" vs 16"x 16"

Roughly

I would get some furniture feet that you can stick on legs, to slap that onto where the clamp is on the back of the desk

That will stop the desk hitting the wall

Instead hits chair felt feet

Should be relatively cheap to do

$50 ideally?

[lean anchor]

Hmmm

[cyan ravine]

Very simple dual monitor mount, one on top of the other is very common

You just want the right clamp

For weight, I wouldn't really be worried with a clamp unless the whole thing was cheap plastic or the monitors are both curved

[lean anchor]

The TV is a TCL 32" so not terrible.

[cyan ravine]

You could still do wall if the mount was wide enough and you used butterfly bolts