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spiral hull
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ifididjftj im stuid

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stupid

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well do you know anything about drilling wood

plucky timber
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at least that's something for my haswell mini pc to do instead of sitting there collecting dust waiting for the occasional file dump

plucky timber
spiral hull
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good

plucky timber
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landlords hate drills

spiral hull
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yea so does my mom

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shes scared of me drilling a small hole

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shes actually scared of me spendijg 25$ on a drillbit

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which sucks

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but i need a 25$ drillbit

plucky timber
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that's not even that expensive

spiral hull
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ik

plucky timber
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better than one that blows up in your face

spiral hull
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no the 25$ one was the cheapest one

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every single drillbit has alot of bad reviews saying its fallen apart

plucky timber
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Probably for a good reason

spiral hull
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atleast every single one on amazon

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i could prob get a 10$ drillbit on ali but i dont trust ali

simple cosmos
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I’m looking for some help with building a pc for 3d modeling I got a parts list sorted out with the power supply already accounted for

cyan ravine
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I can make this way better one sec

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@simple cosmos you like a normal pc look or do you want SFF/MFF (tiny pc)

simple cosmos
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I like normal pc look but if a smaller form factor would work better I’m all ears

cyan ravine
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More preference

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Brb

simple cosmos
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Normal, thnx btw take your time

cyan ravine
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@simple cosmos wifi?

simple cosmos
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Yes

cyan ravine
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@simple cosmos is 1270 your budget? You're missing a psu

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If you can stretch I can make this look really good

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I hit 1270 but then saw you were missing psu so wanted to check

spiral hull
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if you mess up the list im gonna cancel you

simple cosmos
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I have a 500w already and I’m okay with going a little over

cyan ravine
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What 500w is it

spiral hull
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500w isnt enough

cyan ravine
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Shh

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What 500w is it

spiral hull
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unless its some magic one

simple cosmos
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Give me a sec

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Sorry it’s a 750w thermal take tough power

spiral hull
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its fine

cyan ravine
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Toughpower what

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I need the whole name

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It'll have a few letters and numbers

spiral hull
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all toughpowers are decent

cyan ravine
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No

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Gx3 is trash

spiral hull
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oh

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what tier is it

cyan ravine
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80+ white is a firebomb

simple cosmos
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Gf1

spiral hull
cyan ravine
spiral hull
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and smart was reserved for the garbage

cyan ravine
spiral hull
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get cancelled

cyan ravine
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The GX is a classic example

spiral hull
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you did an mistake by not using the m482 deal

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and what is that motherboard 🤮

cyan ravine
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Is that still going?

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The board is solid

spiral hull
cyan ravine
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It's almost a pg riptide tier

spiral hull
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but sonic

simple cosmos
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Is there a reason for the 4070? I thought vram usage would be the primary worry

cyan ravine
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You won't see the sonic

spiral hull
cyan ravine
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More than enough

spiral hull
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12gb is enough for most people yea

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idk if its enough for mickle

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prob is

cyan ravine
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4060 Ti 16gb is probably the worst value purchase in every single category out of a new nvidia gpu to date, I highly don't recommend it

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It doesn't even have the bit bus to use all 16gb

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It caps just over 12gb

spiral hull
cyan ravine
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So you're actually getting the same vram usage

simple cosmos
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Oh okay

spiral hull
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lemme make an list that isnt stinky

cyan ravine
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One second mickle

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Ima put the m482 in

spiral hull
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el felico what about refurbished mobo deals on newegg

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you can get a noice z690 or b660 or b760 for cheap

cyan ravine
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Nvm the m482 deal isn't there anymore? Can't find it

simple cosmos
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Oof

spiral hull
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it is

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right here

cyan ravine
simple cosmos
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The only other worry I had was the intel processor due to the am5 platform being more future proof though I’m willing to hear you out

spiral hull
cyan ravine
spiral hull
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but rn there are no good deals on am5 cpus

cyan ravine
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Intel is becoming hilariously cheap

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13600K is like, almost 7900X levels of power

spiral hull
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240 for a 13600 is a bit

cyan ravine
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It's a lot of power

spiral hull
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i saw it for 200 a while ago

cyan ravine
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240 is still great

spiral hull
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yea

cyan ravine
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You'd need to find a 7900/X for similar to beat it

simple cosmos
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I see

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I think that’s all my worries gone I really appreciate the help

cyan ravine
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Updated with ssd

spiral hull
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ddr4

cyan ravine
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Ddr4 blegh

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You want high bandwidth for workstation

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DDR5 is king

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Oh 90 is kinda nice tho

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Mmmmmmm

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To bump to 64gb maybe

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Hold on

spiral hull
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garbage tho

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refurbished vomit

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thats everything if

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ig

simple cosmos
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I’ll try to take everything into consideration. Again thanks for the help guys I can’t wait to start building

spiral hull
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when are you getting these parts

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tho

simple cosmos
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Sunday I’ll start ordering

cyan ravine
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This makes sense

spiral hull
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cool

cyan ravine
spiral hull
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el felico

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what about that funky 13950hx

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would it be good here lol

cyan ravine
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Nah I don't do the weird aliexpress suggestions here

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Only 7500f

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It overcomplicates

spiral hull
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ok

cyan ravine
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Makes it difficult for some to follow

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You also need a direct die cooler

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Or replacement copper ihs

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It's overcomplicated

cyan ravine
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You can't upgrade to anything higher power tho

spiral hull
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what about ddr4 3600

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;94

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for

cyan ravine
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13700k+4070S is high for a 750w

spiral hull
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5$ more

cyan ravine
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Nah

spiral hull
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but i say it could handle it

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fine

cyan ravine
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3600 is a grey area for xmp training

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It can cause problems with stability

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Higher than 48gb I tend to stick to sane speeds

spiral hull
cyan ravine
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64gb at 3600 is difficult even for A2 B die lol

simple cosmos
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I’m also planning on using a 1440 p monitor the 4070 should be good right?

cyan ravine
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Maybe if it was hynix but we don't have a bin guarantee here

spiral hull
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yea

cyan ravine
simple cosmos
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Sweet thanks again

cyan ravine
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Np

spiral hull
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why not fractal air

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why the base

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wait

cyan ravine
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Fractal works

spiral hull
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360 aio

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would a 280mm work

cyan ravine
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Ye you'd need to change it a bit iirc

spiral hull
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for the list

cyan ravine
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I don't recall a cheap 280 of late

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One worth it anyway

spiral hull
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is the aio decent

cyan ravine
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Nah frostflow is old

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You want fx pro for new gen

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Old, noisy, very cheap

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Not a great quality

spiral hull
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so umm

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no 280

cyan ravine
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In comparison the 240mm frozen edge beats it

spiral hull
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that sucks

cyan ravine
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Yes

spiral hull
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or maybe frozen edge 240?

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idk

cyan ravine
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For i7 kinda pushing it at this tier

spiral hull
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ok

cyan ravine
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12700k/F I could forgive but I know someone on a 240mm and 13700k and it's not the greatest experience

spiral hull
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then keep the old list if

cyan ravine
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It works but, not really suggestable

spiral hull
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ig

lone flame
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how much faster is a Ryzen 9 5900X compared to a ryzen 5 7600 in like maxxed out 1440p w/ 6950xt

cyan ravine
spiral hull
lone flame
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oh really?

spiral hull
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in everything else

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like

lone flame
spiral hull
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50% faster

lone flame
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cause i saw this

cyan ravine
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Dual ccd doesn't make it better

lone flame
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and its like the only one i can find of 6950xt

cyan ravine
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Oh space marine is an exception

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Space marine is extremely cpu heavy

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In that it would be better yes

spiral hull
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no idea what space marine is

lone flame
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the system specs kinda got me a little nervous

image.png
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6800xt recommended is crazy

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scary what recommended is gonna be in like 2 years

cyan ravine
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I wouldn't worry about it

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It's an unbelievably high amount of cpu utility

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It will take all the cpu it can get

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It'll nearly max out a 13900k lmao

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I would just use what you have and not overthink it

spiral hull
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wb this case

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is it better than the base by alot

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or a little

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or not

cyan ravine
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Focus is decent

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But not better than most choices rn

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It has no psu shroud either, you can see inside the messy cables

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If it was uber cheap like, $45? Considerable

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But it's not a dead set choice

lone flame
spiral hull
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then final list

spiral hull
cyan ravine
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Lol isn't that what I had earlier

spiral hull
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i just dont want the guy seeing the 280mm aio and getting that

cyan ravine
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Alr

lone flame
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looks ai ngl

spiral hull
cyan ravine
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Whoever was the madlad who made this is insane 60fpsKekExplode

lone flame
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as someone whos played minecraft since like i was 6

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trailer was a

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blowout

cyan ravine
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I AM JACK BLACK

lone flame
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HES JUST IN A BLUE SHIRT

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THATS ALL THEY DID

cyan ravine
spiral hull
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i liked that part tho

cyan ravine
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So goofy

lone flame
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250 million dollar budget

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8 years

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for what

spiral hull
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they were inventing new hues of blue

lone flame
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greenscreen real life texturepack

spiral hull
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leave them alone

cyan ravine
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Sweaty blue shirt actor

plucky timber
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It looks like a youtube sketch

cyan ravine
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It really does LOL

lone flame
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minecraft in real life 2016 yt video

plucky timber
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Star Wars cost 11 million to make

lone flame
plucky timber
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Adjusted for inflation that's 57 million

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Still nowhere near the budget of the Minecraft movie

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And that movie was groundbreaking in a lot of ways

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Now we get this crap

cyan ravine
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Star wars is also extremely old

lone flame
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they probably saw how well stuff like mario movie, fnaf, and sonic did and rushed it out to capitalize on the "gaming" movies

plucky timber
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Still with that much money

lone flame
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just said "green screen him in w/ a blue shirt"

plucky timber
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They could've made something that at least looks like a movie

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Not whatever this is

cyan ravine
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Star wars became THE sci fi

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They had the creative opportunity and were the first to execute it so well

plucky timber
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True they do have complete creative freedom

cyan ravine
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Well what I mean is

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Since star wars

lone flame
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i love watching behind the scenes stuff for the first SW

cyan ravine
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Every space battle movie since

lone flame
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so much was practical

cyan ravine
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Is like "This is like star wars!"

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Iykwim?

plucky timber
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Yeah

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The only shows that don't do that same kind of effect are like

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The expanse

cyan ravine
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They defined a genre, and set a standard with no equal apart from star trek

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So kinda hard to compare it to the minecraft movie

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Now

plucky timber
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I mean

cyan ravine
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DEADPOOL V WOLVERINE ON THE OTHER HAND

plucky timber
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Star Trek got a revival because of Star Wars

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They had plans to make a show but scrapped it for a movie when star wars came out

cyan ravine
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Ye but I would consider that the only comparable major franchise at the time

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Maybe bladerunner

plucky timber
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Star Trek was the only major franchise that had anything in production at that time

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They had a revival show planned to release in the late 70s but uh

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Star Wars

plucky timber
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Like

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Probably something like the sonic movie is more appropriate

cyan ravine
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Ye

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It's more time appropriate

plucky timber
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gonna check their budget

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$90 million damn that's nothing compared to the minecraft movie

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but this time no amount of cgi edit is going to save the movie

cyan ravine
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Lmao

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I AM JACK BLACK

plucky timber
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and I thought the fnaf movie was bad

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I mean it wasn't bad-bad but more like extremely mediocre

inner marten
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Question; Is a Ryzen 9 9950x or 9900x a huge upgrade over the 7000 versions?

cyan ravine
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In multicore it's generational

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In anything that doesn't use 95%+ of your cores it's barely an upgrade at all unless you do specific enterprise stuff or major code compiling

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Avx-512 and compiling was the big uplift for 9000

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In everything else it's basically the same, old X3D wins over it completely in games

fossil cedar
obsidian wigeon
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what intel removed, amd gains

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avx-512

potent portal
obsidian wigeon
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huh

potent portal
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Wendell testing fun things again https://youtu.be/pAhySwKcNw4?si=f3ETYR5hcNQ0WECN

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ruby sentinel
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Help

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How can I use this in a normal ATX?

crimson zinc
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@mossy venture

stoic island
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if it's from a proprietary PSU, you likely can't

ruby sentinel
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No way.

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So I need to get a motherboard with sas?

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The PSU for the server is already there. 1000w titanium what not.

cyan ravine
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That ain't no ATX that I remember

ruby sentinel
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Adapters?

ruby sentinel
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Found some

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But idk if it will work on a consumer board.

grave valley
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so i replaced my brothers motherboard and its saying that i need to create a new pin and when i click on it i need wifi but the adapters not working and ethernet isnt an option

cyan ravine
# ruby sentinel Found some

I really hope this is like some mass produced or proprietary solution and not some cheap ketchup mustard article off of aliexpress or ebay lil

cyan ravine
grave valley
cyan ravine
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Need internet

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Blame windows for this

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It needs internet

grave valley
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but adapter isnt working ive plugged it into every slot and it worked before

cyan ravine
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I understand

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You need ethernet

grave valley
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D:

ruby sentinel
cyan ravine
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Afaik if it doesn't get a connection at this screen, the install is bricked

ruby sentinel
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Idk if they are good

cyan ravine
ruby sentinel
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Oof

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Lsi?

cyan ravine
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Oh is it maybe a subsidiary of broadcom

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Hmm I'm not sure

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Ask @celest horizon maybe

celest horizon
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What kind of cheese is mozzzarella?

cyan ravine
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Lol

potent portal
# grave valley D:

You have another option. Download and extract the WiFi driver, and reinstall Windows from scratch. When it asks where to install, hit load driver and find the driver inf file. It'll go back to the "where to install" screen, continue normally.
Once you get back to the setup screen where it needs Internet, you should have WiFi networks showing now.

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Oh and the driver can be saved into the same drive as the Windows installer

vale epoch
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Isn’t aged like other cheeses

dusky hearth
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LSI is a subsidiary of Broadcom
Megaraid is an architecture of raid cards by Broadcom (or maybe they acquired it, Broadcom does do this often)

Note that if you're planning to use truenas/freenas, they don't support raid cards, and you must use HBAs on IT mode to add drives instead
(HBA in IT mode just means that the HBA reports all the individual drives to the computer, instead of having hardware raid to act as 1)

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@ruby sentinel

ruby sentinel
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Hello, Friend.

dusky hearth
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Damn reply didn't stay on while I was flipping back and forth fact checking

ruby sentinel
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Right, RAID cards do not work with SATA ATX motherboard

dusky hearth
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Raid cards should work on your system theoretically, it's just specifically that truenas used zfs which is software raid

ruby sentinel
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I will be using HEXOS. Which is truenas.

ruby sentinel
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I did research now and SATA can turn into SAS but SAS can't turn into SATA. I need to buy a HBA Controller card that supports 24 ports.

dusky hearth
# ruby sentinel Nah, they don't

Looking it up, at least LSI cards should be able to work on consumer boards; the only concern is that they're made to get a fair bit of airflow from a server chassis

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Oh you're trying to convert sata into sas

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I meant the PCIe SAS HBA cards

ruby sentinel
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Something like this would work.

ruby sentinel
ruby sentinel
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I am trying to learn all this and code so I can also hopefully work like you guys in tech. Smart Bois with 200+ iq.

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I'm chaining my career from MRI technologist to IT.

dusky hearth
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I can assure you that most of us don't have anywhere near 200 IQ 😭

ruby sentinel
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Eh. Maybe with tiktok brain rot.

dusky hearth
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We wouldn't have as many data breaches if everyone in IT had that much IQ

ruby sentinel
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Or Crowdstrike

dusky hearth
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So much of it is preventable because people don't have good security practices

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Or like
Not hashing passwords

ruby sentinel
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Speaking of security practices. Is a Firewall really necessary in a homelab?

dusky hearth
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Yes

ruby sentinel
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How so?

dusky hearth
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Firewalls are necessary for any application

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Firewalls are access control

ruby sentinel
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Doesn't the server have an integrated firewall?

dusky hearth
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Maybe you don't need like a 500 rule chain or whatever

analog hearth
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I need a better firewall for my home lab lol

dusky hearth
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Oh you mean a dedicated hardware firewall? Nah you don't need that

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They use dedicated computers for firewall when there is so much data the computers can't handle it

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Usually there's multiple layers of firewalls

ruby sentinel
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I was looking at some firewalls and thought it was too much of a hassle. I didn't see the all mighty Linus Sabastion use it in his homelab.

analog hearth
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I need to see if Cloudflare can handle firewall rules for me

ruby sentinel
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So the point of a firewall is so you don't get hacked, right?

analog hearth
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Yes but that would be for inbound traffic

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There's also outbound rules so important information doesn't get out

ruby sentinel
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Like leaks.

analog hearth
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Yeah

ruby sentinel
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I got your firewall. Give me your cat or else.

analog hearth
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lol my cat?

ruby sentinel
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Dang it. I heard that IT guys like cats more than dogs and assumed.

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Man, I still have to go back to school and get a degree for all this too, right?

analog hearth
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Nah I'd just get a couple of CompTIA certifications

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Don't waste your time with a degree honestly

ruby sentinel
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I don't want to go to MIT.

analog hearth
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Get the CompTIA A+ and Network+ and you're pretty much set for an entry-level IT job

ruby sentinel
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How much time?

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2 years?

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4?

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20?

analog hearth
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Maybe like 2-3 months at the quickest

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bro it's a certification lol it doesn't take much time

ruby sentinel
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No wounder we have so many data breaches.

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Inadequate education

analog hearth
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I'd recommend going to school though if you wanted to eventually get into cybersecurity early in your IT career

ruby sentinel
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Nah, I want to still work at a hospital. So IT in there.

analog hearth
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gotcha

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I bet hospitals still need a strong cybersecurity team though. Like analyst positions for sure

ruby sentinel
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I wanna see the old people fall and break a hip. I can't do that in cybersecurity.

dusky hearth
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💀

ruby sentinel
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Back to my issue though. I think the ones I have are mini sas.

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I'll send again.

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I have 6 of them and a 24 port pci-e card costs 200+. Idk if I should switch to just SATA and get a 24 port sata card.

analog hearth
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I've never seen those types of cables in my life

dusky hearth
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Yeah it's probably mini sas

potent portal
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Basically you can break it down to each drive is asking for 1.5 PCIe 3.0 lanes

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Most SAS HBAs are on 3.0, a few are on 2.0

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4.0 exists technically but I've never seen one personally below $400

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So without resorting to bandwidth sharing, I wouldn't put more than 10 drives per PCIe 3.0 x16 slot. I'd consider 12 an acceptable amount of sharing

potent portal
analog hearth
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True but a lot of IT departments look for people who have it

potent portal
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I wouldn't spend money on it personally

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I'd rather get a MCSE

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It's a higher level set of exams more focused on business environments

ruby sentinel
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A lot

potent portal
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It's determined by the motherboard model

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You might have 4 x16 slots but 2 run at x4 and the other at x1

ruby sentinel
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Let me check

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Urm

potent portal
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I don't know a single consumer board that has 3 x16 slots fully wired

ruby sentinel
potent portal
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The middle one is 4.0 and the bottom is 3.0

ruby sentinel
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So they should work.

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Especially with the original one

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This is the original mini SAS HD adapter

potent portal
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While that is a x8 adapter, it will need to be run in the top slot to get full speed or else it will run at 3.0 x4, a max of 4GBps

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Unless you're running something crazy like a 4090 it would be perfectly happy running on the middle slot, so you could run the HBA on slot 1 and the GPU on slot 2

ruby sentinel
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Well, I'm using it as a plex server, nas, and maybe a minecraft server.

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So A gpu isn't needed but preferred

ruby sentinel
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I got it wrong. It's ddr4.

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But specs are the same.

dusky hearth
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intel quicksync the goat for media servers

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low power draw, better quality than nvenc

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oh yeah i scrolled up and i see you say 14th gen so yeah intel

ruby sentinel
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12900ks for a plex server

dusky hearth
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assuming you got one with an igpu, you're set for no gpu

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huh

ruby sentinel
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I have a 7800x3d for my gaming pc.

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A 12700k for my little brothers pc.

dusky hearth
ruby sentinel
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A

potent portal
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No GPU needed then, just use the built in like 343 said

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And you can use the top slot for the HBA

dusky hearth
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but yeah, same story, 12900ks, no gpu needed or even preferred

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idle power draw w/ gpu will not be worth it

plucky timber
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speaking of firewalls

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Could I realistically use my mini pc as a router and a server at the same time

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By making a bunch of virtual machines?

dusky hearth
potent portal
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Many home routers already support most of the functions you would want in a server

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And if you install something like openwrt then you get even more functions

dusky hearth
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and if you ever for whatever reason need to restart your minipc, everything goes down

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0 redundancy

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or rather

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single link of failure

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or whatever the phrase is

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single point of failure

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well, to be fair, even having a dedicated router would still be a single point of failure since there's no redundancy for that, but at least it's not housed in one single machine

potent portal
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A desktop is more likely to need to reboot than a dedicated router, so there's definitely more downtime involved

raven kettle
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hey, my friends building a pc and wants to know what the best is he can buy for 1350 can you guys send some builds?

ruby sentinel
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I got scared because I thought I couldn't use SATA on this. But I can.

potent portal
cyan ravine
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Looks solid

potent portal
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$5 more to make it A tier, that's fair

cyan ravine
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Well less in this case

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GF1 2024 is worse than the old model

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C750 is still one of Aris' highest rated psus

obsidian wigeon
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thermal taketh

cyan ravine
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Away

obsidian wigeon
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not thermal giveth

cyan ravine
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💀

potent portal
obsidian wigeon
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tt budget team must have looked at gf1 2023 and went

cyan ravine
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They cost cut

obsidian wigeon
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"hmmm this is amazing, but we could make it cheaper to make"

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then out comes the 2024

potent portal
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It's a different OEM, totally different internals

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Scummy move imo

obsidian wigeon
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ah

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yeah it's deceiving

cyan ravine
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As long as GF A3 floats around the cheap end I move on

plucky timber
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what hardware would you recommend for a router

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like one of those dell thin clients?

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or like a sbc

potent portal
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As long as you can put your own OS

brittle tinsel
#

trying to reinstall windows on my brothers pc to see if it fixes the issue but im only getting reinstall windows from cloud or local device. I get no option for reinstalling from a usb. The text under local device says reinstall from this pc.

brittle tinsel
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nvm, I think I figured it out. Either I figured it out or it isnt the problem now 🤣

trim shale
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Hey everyone,let make our days greate

analog hearth
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^^ goober ahh comment

brittle tinsel
#

Well, I gave all of that a try, windows found a corrupt file and it helped a little bit. I found an amd driver that shouldnt have been there and did DDU and that helped a little more. drive health and ram were all fine. I took a look with treesize free and there was over 1.2 million files but wasnt really much storage being taken up. he was only at about 3.5 TB used of the total 4.62 between all of the drives. I have about 8 TB used between all of my drives and only have 354k files. Ultimately, a complete clean reinstall of windows from a usb drive, we didnt even bother with cloud or local reinstall has caused the cpu clock and power draw to stablize. I just got his file locations all setup and his first games on to download and headed to bed. hopefully it stays stable when gaming. I never thought id be happy to see task manager show --------- instead of /\/\/\/\/\ Thanks for your help, I mean it.

kindred pawn
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hey guys im tryna upgrade cpus and go from the amd r7 5700g to either the r7 5700x3d or the r9 5900x, im using it generally for 3d modeling and 3d work in general and gaming, thoughts?

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my main question is i don't know how important the stored cache is, the x3d has 96mb of stored cache compared to the 5900x has like 64mb stored

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(5700g has 16mb)

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just wanna know if it's worth spending the extra like $70

dusky hearth
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im not sure if the extra cache would help with 3d modeling though

kindred pawn
dusky hearth
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lmao

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the 3d in this case just means that the cache is layered on top of the cores

kindred pawn
#

would i see a significant increase in fps or something?

dusky hearth
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probably like 10% better? it depends on the game ofc, and also helps with the 1% lows afaik

potent portal
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It's up to 20% over the 5700X which is better than the 5700G due to cut down cache

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And the 5900X is not meant for gaming at all, you'll get terrible 1% lows (stuttering) because of the CCD layout

mossy venture
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5700g<5600 in games if I remember right

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And 5700x3d is around 20% better than the 5600/5700x in gaming

potent portal
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It's more like a 3600 non X

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The 5700G that is

mossy venture
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Ah

potent portal
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It has half the cache due to the iGPU

kindred pawn
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im mainly getting the cpu so that when im rendering things im not using 100% of my cpu like im currently doing

potent portal
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Light workstation tasks like Blender

kindred pawn
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thats what imma be doing

potent portal
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It'll still use 100% of the CPU, it's just there will be more CPU to use so it goes faster. Roughly 33% faster.

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Possibly more, idk how the 5700G is for that

kindred pawn
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i got a 3060 now

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surely whether i get the 5700x3d or the 5900x it'll be better right?

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so at the end of the day for gaming and 3d modeling which would be better, the 5700x3d or r9 5900x

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or if you want an easier one, will both improve speeds like regardless?

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from what im reading the r9 5900x is good for blender and stuff but the 5700x3d is good for gaming

potent portal
kindred pawn
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it's cheaper, it won't cause stutters and it'll improve gaming, 3d rendering surely has to be better than what i got anyway

sonic trout
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Need a MB under 200 for a i7-12700K will be Overclocking

mossy venture
sonic trout
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it's for a friend he has a i7-12700K and plans on overclocking

mossy venture
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Does he have everything but the mobo?

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Like in hand already

sonic trout
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Yeah

mossy venture
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Ddr4 or ddr5

sonic trout
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4]

mossy venture
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And is his case atx, matx, or itx

sonic trout
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Full

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atx

mossy venture
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Is this hobby level overclocking or enthusiast

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Sorry for all the questions just want to get a personalized recommendation

sonic trout
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hobby like for gaming

mossy venture
sonic trout
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under 200

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is budget

mossy venture
sonic trout
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with small wiggle room

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it's what he wanted

mossy venture
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He'd see a few % difference

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Alr, just explain to him cpu ocing is the least worthwhile, and it's become more of a hobby for benchmarkers to chase numbers with than to actually increase perf

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Gpu and ram oc are much more beneficial

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Lemme grab links

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3pNxFT/asrock-z690-pro-rs-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-pro-rs

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GvmmP6/msi-pro-z690-a-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-ddr4

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LtjBD3/gigabyte-z790-aorus-elite-ax-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-aorus-elite-ax-ddr4

ASRock Z690 Pro RS ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (Z690 Pro RS) - PCPartPi...

ASRock Z690 Pro RS ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (Z690 Pro RS)

MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (PRO Z690-A DDR4) - PCP...

MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (PRO Z690-A DDR4)

Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (Z790 AOR...

Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (Z790 AORUS ELITE AX DDR4)

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I'd grab one of those three

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There's also a white option if desired

sonic trout
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and these all OC

mossy venture
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Performance difference you won't feel one between the three

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Yes

sonic trout
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I know it's minimal but it's what he wants

mossy venture
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Any Z board allows cpu overclocking

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Like maybe 3-4% difference

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And please tell him to not apply random voltages and change random numbers

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Ram oc, you can see 10-20% difference in some areas

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Gpu oc, typically around 10%

sonic trout
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Thank u

mossy venture
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Np

raw dove
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this the right channel to ask for help?

mossy venture
raw dove
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looking to build a new one

mossy venture
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Alr, let me ask you some questions

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And I'll get you a list

raw dove
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alright, shoot

mossy venture
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Do you already own anything, meaning monitor, keyboard, mouse, any parts, etc?

Budget?

Country?

Any aesthetic preference?

Is it just gaming and normal light use, or anything else that's heavy?

Any size preference?

Wifi needed, or do you have ethernet?

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And do you have a microcenter nearby?

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I'll probably have some others as we go, but with that I can get you a customized list to most of your needs

potent portal
#

We should set up a command for the basic questions... maybe I'll do that later

mossy venture
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That's a good idea

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I think I had a copy paste a while back and forgot about it

raw dove
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i got a keyboard, mouse, and headset, no monitor since i sold that with my last rig, would like to explore a dual monitor route if thats possible

budget is weird, im not entirely sure how much i wanna spend since i got other priorities like my truck and such, probably like $500-$1,000 depending on whats the best bang for my buck

united states

not rlly, probably just a blackout rig with white or purple lights

gaming, not entirely sure how intensive stuff like wt and fortnite are

size doesnt rlly matter i suppose

wifi will be needed

and no microcenter near

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was considering a laptop too if thatd be more viable

mossy venture
#

With a laptop there are some downsides

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Worse temps, typically worse performance, no upgradability, among some other things

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@cyan ravine @obsidian wigeon are the resident laptop nerds

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Let me make a few pc build lists for you to look at

raw dove
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well, just boils down to what im gonna get my most money out of i suppose, i dont have a lot of time for games

mossy venture
#

Oh, would you want to use an open box or refurbished gpu?

raw dove
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whatever works

mossy venture
raw dove
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not rlly no, i just work a lot and spend time on cars and what not

mossy venture
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Gpu isn't gonna be included in these lists, since I'm going to link gpu options separately

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This is on am5, which allows upgradability, and will give you the best cpu out of any of these lists

raw dove
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gotcha, how new is that socket?

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am5

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wait i can just google that

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dont listen to me

mossy venture
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It's fairly new

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It's the only socket atm that allows upgradability

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3 years old maybe?

raw dove
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oh okay

potent portal
#

AMD has promised support until 2026 at least

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As in new CPUs

mossy venture
#

Now time for gpu options

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This is refurb, better value than the other two I'm abt to link

raw dove
#

alr

mossy venture
#

I think those are the three options I'd consider in your budget, unless you looked for used options on your local market

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You'd want to upgrade ram and add more storage, that gpu is around 10-15% worse than the rx 7600

raw dove
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i see i see

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do you know much about monitors at all?

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and how much would i be loosing out on if i were to opt for the 12600kf opposed to the 7600?

mossy venture
mossy venture
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But upgradability wise, you're shooting yourself in the foot

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If you dont see yourself upgrading this, then don't worry abt it

raw dove
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browsed marketplace and saw a 6700 xt for $200

mossy venture
#

That's solid

raw dove
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not entirely sure how that scales to other options

mossy venture
#

6700xt and 6750xt are basically the same card

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It's a very minor difference

raw dove
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i see

mossy venture
#

So still slightly above 3060 ti

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Below 3070

raw dove
#

and regarding the monitors i was just curious if you could point me in the right direction for a new one or 2

mossy venture
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What would you wanna spend on that?

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I'd typically suggest 1440p but I'm going to guess you're aiming for the 1080p budget range

raw dove
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yeah

mossy venture
#

1440p starts at $120-140 or so refurb/open box

raw dove
#

oh fr?

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i was expecting more

mossy venture
#

Recently yes

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There's been some good sales

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Few min, I'll look around

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/145613148025?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=c4qaBlmORkO&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

eBay
MSI G274QPF 27" WQHD Flat Rapid IPS Gaming Monitor, 170Hz/1ms HDR400

MSI G274QPF 27" 16:9 WQHD (2560 x 1440) Rapid IPS Flat Gaming Monitor, 400 HDR Ready, 170Hz Refresh Rate, 1ms (GTG) Fast Response Time, Contrast Ratio 1000:1, Anti-glare, Wide Color Gamut (Adobe RGB 96% DCI-P3 93% sRGB 121%), Anti-Flicker and Less Blue Light, Frameless Design, 178° Wide View Angle, 2 x HDMI v2.0b, 1 x DisplayPort v1.4a, 1x Type-...

raw dove
#

i see, would a 5600 and 6700 xt handle 1440p well for games like wt/fortnite and such?

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and would getting 2 1080p monitors be cheaper than a 1440p and 1080p one?

mossy venture
#

Cpu isn't super important when jt comes to 1440p, as higher resolution moves more of the load to the gpu

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6700xt is what I'd consider an entry level card for 1440p at this point

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I'd just buy new, or used locally

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Facebook marketplace is solid for monitors

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Oh hey

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This just popped up

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1tb ssd, 7600, 4060 ti (about on par with 6700xt/6750xt, still less vram), 16gb ram which will need an upgrade down the line

mossy venture
raw dove
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lmao

mossy venture
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It was on sale for $730 but price went up

raw dove
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yeah i saw $1,050

mossy venture
#

Considering you dgaf about upgrading this is solid too
https://www.ebay.com/itm/375478427082?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=FD6px4KaRcK&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

eBay
Asus ROG G15CK Gaming PC Intel i7-10700 32GB 512GB SSD 1TB HDD RTX ...

ASUS ROG G15CK-IB772. 8GB NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER Graphics. GPUNVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER. 1 TB HDD + 512 GB SSD storage. Storage TypeSSD + HDD. Hard Drive Capacity1TB HDD. Included in the Box Gaming Desktop.

raw dove
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ill sleep on it, like i said i got other priorities and i just wanted to see what in looking at for prices

mossy venture
#

Cpu on par with 5600, gpu is on par with the rx7600

raw dove
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hmmm

mossy venture
#

I wouldnt do 1440p on that one tho

raw dove
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yeah, im not crazy concerned about resolution

mossy venture
#

Temps will also be bad in that build

raw dove
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would a case swap be possible

potent portal
#

Put some speed holes in the front

mossy venture
mossy venture
#

I think with the intent to swap anything out in that build I'd just avoid it

raw dove
#

fair enough

mossy venture
#

It's an ok deal bc it's cheap, start adding cost to it and it's not really a deal anymore imo

potent portal
#

Asus uses standard parts so you should be able to swap if it came to that

raw dove
#

oooh the amount of project cars i thought were a deal...

mossy venture
#

Oh yo

raw dove
#

?

mossy venture
#

Can I ask you a question while you're here?

raw dove
#

yeah whats up

mossy venture
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I just got an srx4 2012 with 44k on the engine in it for $6000

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W or nah

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Just needed new tires, everything else was perfect

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I know pcs, but know absolutely nothing about cars

raw dove
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ngl for a daily doesnt sound bad

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im not entirely familiar with newer gm engines

mossy venture
#

Coming from a 2007 camry with 282k on it I'm shocked how nice it feels to drive lmao

mossy venture
raw dove
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but thats pretty damn low milage

mossy venture
#

On the odometer it's 175k, but engine swap

raw dove
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oooh sure

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was gonna say i could easily see over 100,000 with its age

potent portal
#

Keep up on the maintenance and it'll treat you well. Expect an occasional leak.

mossy venture
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I'm hoping it'll get me through the next 10-15 years, this things going to be my baby lol

raw dove
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i need a compact truck, just hard to find one that has 4x4 and isnt rotted out

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got a 350 with a carb and it just guzzles gas like crazy, barely 10mpg

mossy venture
#

I've seen a few up here in CT recently

mossy venture
#

Even my camry did better than that, think it got 13?

raw dove
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yeah, its rough

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me craving a manual isnt helping

mossy venture
#

I've driven a manual once

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Never again.

raw dove
#

theyre fun, only until you start seeing intersections

mossy venture
#

And hills

raw dove
#

dont even get me started 😭

mossy venture
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I get a heart attack when my car starts to roll back when I let off the break on a hill

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I couldn't imagine stalling on one

raw dove
#

after i got an auto i had a tendency to give it more gas than needed on hills after slowing down or stopping

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but anyways i appreciate the insight, ill do a little browsing with the local market and see what i come up with

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gotta go

mossy venture
#

Peace out, and good luck with the pc

potent portal
#

Utilize the parking brake so you don't roll back on a hill start

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Some people call that cheating

restive halo
#

Whats up guys

jagged ember
#

I just put on the handbrake whenever I need to be sure the vehicle is stopped

brittle tinsel
#

dumb question im sure. but are pc parts the same in most countries? US/Austrailia? Like would my power supply (US) work on a graphics card or mobo a friend in Aus sends me?

flint sapphire
#

Yes

analog hearth
dusky hearth
#

As long as it's all following the ATX standard

potent portal
obsidian wigeon
#

All you'd need to change is the power supply power cable

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The cable that connects the psu to the wall

cyan ravine
#

Some units are sold specifically with only one of the two modes

analog hearth
#

This guy will never respond lol

cyan ravine
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He messaged me yesterday replying to previous help

#

Lol

analog hearth
potent portal
#

I know of one lower power unit that wanted an easy way to get 80+ platinum rating so they made it 240V

stoic island
#

There's cooler master with the mwe v2 where the full range one is much better than the 230v only one

crimson zinc
#

@mossy venture could you make me a $1,200 list of primarily pink and also white parts?

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Better gpu over cpu is needed

mossy venture
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Or tmrw

crimson zinc
#

Gotcha

cyan ravine
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Check cooler and gpu for pink/white options

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Fractal pop air also on the cheap rn for black/pink

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If it fits, white asus dual oc 4070 super white is a decent one

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Maybe even an aqua elite v3 if they like an aio

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240mm

crimson zinc
cyan ravine
#

It'll be something like that, not a whole lot of good options with pink available (let alone pink at all)

crimson zinc
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Mid board but I just threw it together

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That 7800xt is actually really pretty

cyan ravine
#

Change all of those lol

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C750 psu

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Argb q5 is matx to match the board

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A620m pro rs is identical to b650m, and can be bios modded to run as a b650

crimson zinc
#

I should really stop doing pcpp when on lack of sleep

#

I should know these things already

cyan ravine
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Mp44l is ok

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But 2tb m482 is better

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Ram is fine

crimson zinc
#

Let me change

cyan ravine
#

Gpu is out of the question

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7900gre price for 7800xt

#

You can get a different white gpu and make the rgb pink

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Cpu cooler is fine

#

Expensive but fine

crimson zinc
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How look

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Pink case and white gpu are only missing

cyan ravine
#

Change m482 to $100

crimson zinc
#

Is it a deal somewhere?

cyan ravine
#

Ye msi website

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M482 2tb eco pack

crimson zinc
cyan ravine
#

Can she do ali express

mossy venture
#

I'd grab gv1000 for psu

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For white cables

crimson zinc
#

Yes

mossy venture
#

7500f

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100%

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Maybe a cooler too

cyan ravine
#

That's just rgb

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I would do 7500f too

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123.31 price iirc

mossy venture
#

Forgot about that lol

cyan ravine
#

Ya

mossy venture
cyan ravine
#

Ya I mentioned that one

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You could do black and pink

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Swap board to eagle ax

mossy venture
crimson zinc
#

So many suggestions

cyan ravine
#

That one works too yeah

crimson zinc
cyan ravine
#

Then run black rgb sticks

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Rgb 7800xt/7900GRE

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C750 psu still

mossy venture
#

I'd just have her look at the cases and decide which she likes the most

mossy venture
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I'd rather do gv1000 in white for $110

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Oh you mean for black

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I missed that

cyan ravine
#

I would still do c750 with $20 extensions

crimson zinc
cyan ravine
#

Ok swap board to eagle ax b650

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Then put first black rgb 6000 cl30 kit you see

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Or 6400 cl32

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5600 cl30/32/28

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Leave ssd

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Pick a nice 7900 GRE

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Put 7500f in and make the price some $124

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(price may have changed on there)

crimson zinc
#

Hold

mossy venture
#

Corsair

crimson zinc
#

Ah frick

#

Wrong one

#

Caught it just as you did

mossy venture
#

Swapped ram

cyan ravine
crimson zinc
#

And board

cyan ravine
#

Done'd

crimson zinc
#

Would she have to worry about bios issue or no

mossy venture
#

Nah

cyan ravine
#

I really have never encountered anyone in living memory for am5

jagged ember
vale epoch
crimson zinc
#

Felix and Bacca are just gods

mossy venture
#

I'm an eldritch being

cyan ravine
#

I'm just some dude in a back alley people stay away from

vale epoch
cyan ravine
#

I don't sell to tire kickers

vale epoch
#

Do i need a secret organization currency like those gold coins from john wick or smth

potent portal
#

They just use crypto now

#

Get with the times

whole inlet
whole inlet
mossy venture
#

If you want the aio you can always add one In later

languid nimbus
#

Better and cheaper

whole inlet
mossy venture
#

You can add a cooler, you can't add 30+% gpu performance without spending 300-700 down the line swapping your gpu out

dusky hearth
#

aios and coolers are cheap

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you can easily upgrade it whenever

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gpus are more expensive to upgrade

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and they depreciate in value

mossy venture
#

I couldn't phrase it the right way, ty

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That ^

whole inlet
mossy venture
#

And is perfectly fine

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Am5 is incredibly easy to cool

whole inlet
mossy venture
#

Go to YouTube and search "7600+7800xt (game name)" for whatever games you plan to play

vale epoch
mossy venture
#

The 7600 is almost enough cpu to run a 7900xtx/4080 super unlimited, 7800xt is well within its limit

cyan ravine
#

If it was more powerful we'd encourage it

vale epoch
#

Even the 7800x3d can stay nice and cool with a single tower thermalright no?

cyan ravine
#

Yes

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The X models get hot af

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The non X no

vale epoch
#

Ic

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Wbt the 7500f?

cyan ravine
#

Doesn't need it

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Same scenario

vale epoch
#

Gotcha

cyan ravine
#

No X, stock is fine

vale epoch
#

Even if it was an x a dual tower thermalright is like 30 bucks kekw

cyan ravine
#

$20 for a single tower is as high as I would typically go, if not an aqua elite v3 240mm for a certain type of build

mossy venture
#

Evo dark my beloved

vale epoch
#

Looks pretty darn neat too

cyan ravine
#

I was off by a few cents but same price as the list you linked

mossy venture
whole inlet
mossy venture
#

And it can handle up to a 12600k from Intel

vale epoch
whole inlet
#

all see

vale epoch
cyan ravine
#

Yes that's much worse value

mossy venture
cyan ravine
#

I would pay maybe 900 for a list with those specs

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I can make a 6750 list if you prefer

mossy venture
vale epoch
#

They wont add any performance

mossy venture
vale epoch
mossy venture
#

It's his money, I advised him, he can buy what he wants it's not our issue

vale epoch
mossy venture
#

Not our wallets

mossy venture
vale epoch
cyan ravine
#

Ez

whole inlet
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because i am play black ops 6

mossy venture
#

An aio will not affect bo6

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You want a better gpu for that

vale epoch
#

Preach

cyan ravine
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No, a single tower might help a tiny bit cos it's cpu heavy

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But that's all

vale epoch
mossy venture
#

I wouldnt really recommend a console atp, id rather wait for ps6 or new xbox

cyan ravine
#

Which is, not gonna happen in release

mossy venture
cyan ravine
#

Will fail if only 2% of people can use it with 22gb demand

mossy venture
#

Specifically 13th/14th gen core count and single core perf, and x3d cache

cyan ravine
#

Ye

vale epoch
#

Even the 5600 is a top performing cpu no?

cyan ravine
#

BO6 is apparently worse

cyan ravine
mossy venture
#

7600 will still run it well though

cyan ravine
#

Ye

mossy venture
#

80+ fps

whole inlet
#

Ok, I can do a speed break for cpu

#

xt

cyan ravine
#

?

#

Break ?

vale epoch
cyan ravine
#

Sorry , really trying to think what was meant by break

#

Like , add more cpu speed ?

vale epoch
#

Maybe breaking the bank for a better cpu?

whole inlet
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Overclocking

vale epoch
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Oh god

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How much perf would it even add

whole inlet
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4900 QAR

cyan ravine
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Overclocking won't do much

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In fact

whole inlet
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no for pc

cyan ravine
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For ryzen , can make things very unstable in BO6

vale epoch
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Looks like its very very minimal gains

cyan ravine
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Much much more cpu power

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Warzone is one of the most famous games for making it hard for cpus to run

vale epoch
cyan ravine
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So cpu being stable is best

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Overclocking can make fps fast but shakey , twitchy

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Big drops to low fps

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It is much worse than when it is smooth but slower

mossy venture
cyan ravine
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Yeah

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I don't think english is first language either but could be wrong

whole inlet
cyan ravine
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So I'm talking a bit ... simpler lol

whole inlet
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but i want buy in newegg or Amazon or AliExpress

cyan ravine
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Aliexpress is good, I would do 7500F if you can

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But only small things like 7500f

mossy venture
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Follow a general idea like this

7600/x/7800x3d
Cheap cooler if cpu doesn't have one
Mobo- a620m pro rs, a620 lightning, a620i ax, b650m pro rs, msi b650m-a wifi, and some others, just depends what's available
Ssd- I'd do 1tb for now, add more later
Case- something with decent airflow
Psu- tier list pinned in #cases-psu-and-cooling get something A or B tier

vale epoch
mossy venture
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And gpu, spend the rest of the budget on it

cyan ravine
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All amazon, aliexpress, newegg

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Wait

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Not psu

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😂

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Hold on

vale epoch
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I second the 7900xt