building-and-recc-chat

[sacred obsidian]

although people don't seem to like NZXT stuff lol

[sick delta]

nzxt is way overpriced

[left shore]

So y'all think it might be overheating cuz it doesn't have the spacer?

[sacred obsidian]

I only got it cause screen for 100 bucks which was 20 dollars cheaper than my old AIO which crapped out on me lol

[sick delta]

try running with higher pump speed and see what happens

[sacred obsidian]

that is very likely, but also 1200 rpm at load is low af

[sick delta]

nzxt with a screen for 100 bucks?

cheap

[sacred obsidian]

yeh it was a sale a while back on amazon

[sick delta]

o nice

[sacred obsidian]

its 140 right now

[sick delta]

still not bad

i think my lt720 was $120 or something

[left shore]

It's at 2777 right now

Not running too hot either

[sacred obsidian]

What is it at?

temp?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jhdG3C/id-cooling-sl240-78-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-sl240-white

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6Lqrxr/id-cooling-sl240-78-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-sl240

[sacred obsidian]

bacca comin in with the deals

[left shore]

Chilling at 73

[sacred obsidian]

at load?

like running a game?

[mossy venture]

360 is $140 or $160 tho

[left shore]

Yeah playing cod rn

[sacred obsidian]

I dont think a 360mm is neccesary for cpu only let alone 420 unless you hella overclocking it

[left shore]

This a decent cooler?

[mossy venture]

Ye

On par with a good dual tower like the phantom spirit

[sacred obsidian]

then it may work but keep an eye on it and if you have issues you at leaast need the bracket, or just buy a new AIO and resell that one on ebay

[left shore]

Yeah I might

My brother need a cooler so might just do that

How come the NXZT software isn't working tho

[left shore]

Can I put GIFs on the display too?

https://www.amazon.com/ID-COOLING-Customizable-Display-Performance-Metrics/dp/B0D7392YS4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1FI0137BA0DWC&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.rVMdtVcUbN8zQa81Qaf0WwiYsG8i9FoaoNjX9I-RiXzwTznwW5OOGF4MLSbyJ5uPqBJrFy5vrNSiq5jPVMLyy2Q3fM7t4BNkk-QXICXUnAo.7U-o2sSdCGSfIGyGa0FFnFdO7bOE96ZdAOtPZIhbZGU&dib_tag=se&keywords=ID-COOLING+SL240&qid=1724382729&s=industrial&sprefix=id-cooling+sl240%2Cindustrial%2C156&sr=1-1

Gonna just get this one

[jagged ember]

has less RGB tho

[jagged ember]

yeah you can for the SL series

[left shore]

I can always replace the fans

[left shore]

Got it

[jagged ember]

also there's not really that much of a difference between the two

unless I was actually overclocking I would just go with the SL360

actually, the 240 but

[potent turtle]

If my cooler has some thermal paste should i add more?

[left shore]

I just want it for the looks and it's not bad to have mor cooling

Even if I'm not going to be overclocking

[obsidian wigeon]

no need to

pre applied paste is good enough

[potent turtle]

Its the ryujin 3

Has a little gray square

[obsidian wigeon]

that should be enough

[potent turtle]

Is that the thermal paste or subverting else

Something

[left shore]

Honestly I'm pretty happy with how my PC is coming along

Decently speced and looks pretty good in my opinion

[potent turtle]

This is mine in construction

Just waiting on a fan and memmory

I had to turn the fans on aio around because it was exhausting air

[potent turtle]

I just stuck some stickers on it to hide the writing

Guess the fans arent reversible

I have like 10x less cables makes me feel like i missed some things

[potent turtle]

Did your aio come with different fans?

Or did you buy more to match it

[left shore]

Bought more

These fans are cheap af

[potent turtle]

Ah

I thought it kinda sucked that the fans for rog ryujin 3 aio aren't reversible

[left shore]

I hate that the new Ryzens have holes in the die

[potent turtle]

There exhaust instead of intake so i don't get to see the logo

[left shore]

It makes it almost impossible to not get thermal paste everywhere

[left shore]

You can't flip them?

[potent turtle]

And yeah i found that they are sloppery

I did but now i see chinese writing

[left shore]

Lmaooo

Lose lose situation huh

[potent turtle]

I just stuck some round rog stickers on them lol

Actually worked well

[left shore]

My fans aren't even in a push pull config lmao

[potent turtle]

Lol

Would this work?

Five in 3 out

[potent portal]

The GPU also exhausts out the back so you don't want an intake near that

The way it is works

No extra fans needed

[potent turtle]

So the one on the left cant be intake?

[potent portal]

It can but it's not ideal

[potent turtle]

I see

[potent portal]

The way it is now you'll still have positive pressure since the exhaust fans are restricted by the AIO

[potent turtle]

I bought another fan that i was going to put at the back

For exhaust

If i put 2 sets of fans on the radiator pulling air in will it work the same as haveing the 3 on the bottom

Or better

[potent portal]

The technically ideal thing to do here is have the AIO and the bottom fans as intake

And rear exhaust

So you get some airflow past the VRM and it's not stagnant

You want the bottom fans as intake no matter what because you don't want them to fight the GPU for air, you want to have them feed the GPU

[potent turtle]

Yeah they currently are intake

So is negative pressure better than positive

Or is positive the ideal thing

[potent portal]

They're effectively the same, but positive pressure will help repel dust

[potent turtle]

Ah

[potent portal]

There's at most a 2 degree difference (for most cases, notable exceptions include the H510 Elite which no one should buy)

[potent turtle]

Ill just do 6 positive and 1 exhaust and see what temps are

[potent portal]

That's basically what I have, and the exhaust fan makes zero difference for me

[potent turtle]

Yeah i mean the air is basically forced out

[potent portal]

It would help guide the air past the motherboard components for you at least

[potent turtle]

Yeah

[potent portal]

I have a fan on my AIO block so it doesn't matter for me

[potent turtle]

Also if my lian li fans are connected to a controller will they start up when i first build the pc or do i have to go into the settings

To get them to work

[potent portal]

Depends on how you have the controller configured. Most of them will run off a fan header that tells them what speed to spin at, so they would run at boot.

[potent turtle]

Ah

I think it's plugged into usb

Nvm think i got go into settings on the thing

[potent turtle]

If i smell smoke what should i do

[languid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-coffee-fire-nft-penguin-gif-26461052

[dusky hearth]

usually that's a bad sign

[left shore]

Anyone here have the id cooling sl360?

@jagged ember @mossy venture

[left shore]

It’s running much cooler now

[left shore]

No pun intended

[tepid roost]

whats some good ddr4 32-3600mhz? someone told me corsair wasn't very good but I'm not sure what else would be good to get

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KV4BD3/oloy-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-md4u1636181chkda

Imo not worth the extra but
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

[crimson zinc]

Oloy supremacy

[dusky hearth]

Pretty much anything but Corsair is good

Well

Anything but OEM ram and corsair

[left shore]

I have some Kingston Fury DDR5 16 GB that I picked up for 37 shipped

[jagged ember]

Havent ran an AIO yet lol

[left shore]

It’s pretty good I like it

[sand plover]

:o

[bold prism]

What’s like a good curved monitor for around 200-300 bucks?

[dusky hearth]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/s3422dwg

[potent portal]

"Good," "curved," and "cheap." You can pick 2.
That Dell is passable for anything other than office work.

[dusky hearth]

Project management triangle moment

[languid nimbus]

ppl don’t wanna hear that tho

[vale epoch]

“Good” “curved” and “budget” are not words that go that well together for a monitor

[mossy venture]

Cheapest curved monitor I actually like suggesting is qdoled

[bold prism]

What’s a good curved monitor?

[potent portal]

One that doesn't use VA

Which rules out most of them

[potent portal]

I'm with Bacca on this one, looks like the good curved ones start around $600 and at that point you might as well get qdoled since it's leagues better. This uses the same panel as other highly recommended, similar spec monitors.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CtBzK8/msi-mag-341cqp-qd-oled-340-3440-x-1440-175-hz-curved-monitor-mag-341cqp-qd-oled

[vale epoch]

Damn that’s pretty damn cheap for a qd oled lol

[potent portal]

Curved ultrawide in particular, yeah it's a great price

[little osprey]

@eager leaf @analog hearth @cyan ravine my future build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nywqcH

still undecided on the gpu

[potent portal]

If this is for gaming, you don't want that memory

[little osprey]

both gaming and other things i want to do

[potent portal]

What other things

[cyan ravine]

I have a lot of suggestions

[little osprey]

animation

[cyan ravine]

Yeah don't really want that ram

[little osprey]

whats wrong with the ram?

[potent portal]

I'd still suggest not getting Corsair memory. They lock the PMIC which effectively keeps you from overclocking. Sometimes it keeps it from running at xmp settings.

[cyan ravine]

64gb, can save a lot on the aio cos 7800x3d

[cyan ravine]

Expensive and poor qc brand, also you don't need that much for animation

T705 is also overkill for anyone not rendering 16k raw

Xs70 or similar is enough if you want 4tb

AG-L/AG-F/RMe is basically the same for almost half the price

[analog hearth]

This guy really pinged me to show me his goofy overpriced dual-GPU build

[little osprey]

forgot to say that the mobo is X870 AORUS ELITE WIFI7

[analog hearth]

This guy included the Windows 11 Pro key 😭

[little osprey]

its not out yet but really hoping it comes out by then

[cyan ravine]

Yeah I don't see why you'd need x870 when they're just rebranded x670's with wifi 7

[little osprey]

im pretty sure windows 10 service is ending next year

[analog hearth]

Geez this is worse than Danielle

[cyan ravine]

X670 gaming x is ample if you need io

If not b650 eagle ax

[cyan ravine]

It's not

[analog hearth]

bruh how

[cyan ravine]

Wym how

He's listening

[analog hearth]

oh my bad

But still why are there two GPUs 💀

[cyan ravine]

He's deciding between two

[little osprey]

im undecided on which one i want

[analog hearth]

e

[cyan ravine]

For animation I would consider nvidia, blender is nvidia's playground

[eager leaf]

i mean tottally not biased or anything but like 7900xtx

[cyan ravine]

Cheaper 4080S tho

I would aim for $950

They're all fine as long as it's not ventus non-E

Smaller ones are louder than others

[little osprey]

i see the "Gigabyte X670E AORUS PRO X "

[cyan ravine]

For case, nothing wrong with a meshify? Tho if you're not attached to the look, air 903 is pretty good, xt pro and xt view as well

[little osprey]

with wifi 7

[cyan ravine]

Not E

X670 gaming x

And this is provided you have a need for lots of storage slots

[potent portal]

Agreed, nothing inherently wrong with a meshify 2 but it's a bit dated at this point.

[cyan ravine]

If you think you're fine with 4TB, there's a lot nicer options for less

[cyan ravine]

Pop air for example

From fractal themselves

[potent portal]

Or even the Torrent, or the North

[little osprey]

looking at the official website for "X670 GAMING X AX V2"

[little osprey]

the gigabyte website says "Wi-Fi 6E 802.11ax with Ultra-high gain Antenna"

[cyan ravine]

What I would do
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tMPz28

Yep

If you want wifi 7 you can buy boards and retrofit it for way less than the uber premium current ones will ask

Wifi 7 is plain not worth it

6E is already very fast

Asrock in fact has boards that come with specifically empty slots for wifi chips

Labelled

[mossy venture]

Wasn't there a thing with the fd stock fans being mid

Or am I going crazy

[cyan ravine]

They're fine for cooling like this

[mossy venture]

Also are you doing any editing?

[cyan ravine]

He will

[little osprey]

for the monitor, i was either going to get that or something a little smaller that has qd oled

[cyan ravine]

I put the dwf cos I'm sure you want desktop space

But a 49" is too tough for a 4080S if you like games

I gotta go but thems my two cents

[little osprey]

was thinking about those monitor grabby things or having it be placed somewhere

[cyan ravine]

Should've saved you maybe half a grand for no loss

[potent portal]

If you're seriously conisdering using the wifi then you should keep in mind you may need to replace the default wifi card. It's easy enough on that model.
The reason being the wifi cards that AMD makes the vendors use have issues with staying connected and long reconnect times. This may manifest in games as sudden latency spikes or disconnects from lobbies.

A good AX210 wifi card would be perfect if you do have those issues later

[cyan ravine]

One more thing

Not all wifi 7 work with amd

Ok byee

[little osprey]

do i have to go with intel then?

[potent portal]

Nah it's just something to keep in the back of your mind

[potent portal]

Which is why I recommend AX210, which is 6E

[little osprey]

i'll change parts of it based on your suggestions then

[mossy venture]

G50 pro graphene might be worth the extra

[mossy venture]

What was your total budget?

[little osprey]

just noticed that "Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case" is mid and not full

[potent portal]

There's a pop xl

But those are just marketing terms anyway

[little osprey]

was going for something over kill for slitterhead. the specs are on the steam store

[mossy venture]

What does that mean in terms of budget

$3000?

2000?

[little osprey]

the one ive posted is a little over that

[mossy venture]

Ok one sec

Lemme cook

[little osprey]

i heard that people get their windows keys for a lot cheaper but i dont really trust third part sites

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W2QRQP

[potent portal]

If you insist on going for full retail price, at least get the home version instead of pro

[mossy venture]

Tried following your general idea

If video editing isn't that serious 7800x3d is more than fine

[little osprey]

i was looking at it based on the memory it supports for motherboards

[potent portal]

That's only going to be an issue for servers

Maybe you're thinking of 32 bit vs 64 where 32 bit is restricted to 3.5GB

But no one should be running more than 128GB on a desktop

It would be so slooooow

[little osprey]

how so?

[potent portal]

The more memory you have in a system, the more the memory controller has to work to manage it all. The harder it has to work, the slower it goes.

As a general rule, 48GB has been the limit in capacity without sacrificing any speed or latency

That's 2x24GB specifically

Early on in the life of DDR5 people were having problems running 128GB on 4 sticks, even at the base speed of 4400. The solution was to turn it down to 3600.

Which meant it was slower than DDR4

Even today you'd have to be fairly lucky to get it to run 4800 with 4 sticks of any size

[little osprey]

i can hope so

curious question, any of the home has the key code with it?

[potent portal]

What do you mean? Like using a Windows 10 key on Windows 11?

[little osprey]

no like buying the physcal windows 11 usb or dvd, will it have the code with it as well?

[potent portal]

Ah. Yes, but I wouldn't recommend that. They charge an extra $50 for something you can do yourself in 10 minutes for free.

[cyan ravine]

Come back when the pc is built and I may have something better

Lol

[potent portal]

🐧

[cyan ravine]

No system can run 128gb anymore at sane speeds after the am5 popcorn scandal

[little osprey]

officially or no?

[little osprey]

alright

[cyan ravine]

They all default to like

4000 or less

AM5 used to, but not anymore

Oh sorry

Any ddr5 system *

[potent portal]

There's an official tool that downloads a legit copy of the Windows installer, then sets up your USB for you. It's the "Installation Media" tool.
https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11

[little osprey]

like no watermarks after installing?

[potent portal]

It asks for your key during installation

So it's a fully activated version once you give it the license key

It's literally the same thing that they would send you on a USB, except this would be up to date. A pre-cooked USB would have an out of date version more than likely.

[little osprey]

if i get a cheaper key from one of those websites, it wont stop working for any reason?

[potent portal]

I've never heard of that being a problem for home users

Unless they were using pirated copies on a volume license and not purchased individual keys

[little osprey]

i'll do some research to see if i could get it cheaply then from a 2nd party at least

[potent portal]

I'll send you a DM if you like

Can't talk specifics here

[little osprey]

dms open

[cyan ravine]

Or dm me later when it's done

[lone flame]

@mossy venture getting on pc everyday to find deals

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-jim-carrey-typing-jim-carrey-typing-angry-jim-carrey-typing-fast-fasttyping-gif-22737012

theyre pumping those out

[potent portal]

2 full pages of nothin but Bacca

[frigid night]

Would anyone be willing to throw together a budget build list? I'm looking for something that can play DayZ and Minecraft with medium to high graphics (medium is totally fine if it makes the build a good bit cheaper) at a solid 60fps 1080p. This is a starter build for my best friend's wife to see if she can get into the PC world. They requested to be as cheap as possible.

These are the only 2 games that'll be played.

[cyan ravine]

Try, used xeon, probably x79

16 or 32gb ddr3 for throwaway price

5700xt for 120-ish

$60 apevia prestige *600W

$52 1tb leven jps600

And a cheap case with mesh

Like phanteks xt pro or maybe montech air 903 base

Something to that effect

Can't recall if all x79 has m.2 so maybe you take a kingston sata ssd instead lol

That would be probably some 450-ish

[spiral hull]

ok

when is your friend getting it?

what country?

[frigid night]

Thanks @cyan ravine

@spiral hull, I will be buying the parts as soon as I find a good list.

US

[spiral hull]

ok

ill make you a good one

are you ok with an optiplex

they suck so bad but can slash off about 100$ off your budget

and basically non upgradable

[frigid night]

I prefer to build.

[spiral hull]

ok

also not a question for you but does the kolink regulator suck

i cant find any serious reviews on it

i mean its def better than a apevia psu but idk if its much better

@frigid night does your friend need wifi

[frigid night]

Yes

[spiral hull]

https://www.newegg.com/p/1JW-001M-00H00?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/305743929373?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7PmmYN

is this good

i wanna do a list with a recent cpu because its just better

[mossy venture]

How cheap is as cheap as possible

Like under $300?

Under $600?

[crimson zinc]

$8

Just $8

[mossy venture]

$1 for each part

Cpu cooler mobo ram ssd gpu case psu

[spiral hull]

@frigid night

heres my list

its not that cheap

but its good

i hope

500$

if you make a new one dont change the case thats a really nice case on a great deal

and the power supply is pretty mid but better than anything apevia has for sure

i would personally get the 12400f and peerless assasin/phantom spirit but that adds like 50$

[frigid night]

As cheap as reasonably possible I suppose. I don't want to sacrifice performance if a little more $ gets a good bump in perf.

@mossy venture @spiral hull
If it helps, the 2 games are more CPU intensive vs the GPU.

@mossy venture let's shoot for 400 - 600.

[spiral hull]

i already made my list

the 12400f is a good cpu and def would get 60fps on it

so would the 12100f

[little osprey]

So I'm currently rocking the Thermalright AssassinX120 R SE CPU Cooler, but I am now considering switching to an AIO. What is the most affordable ARGB AIO with a display on it

[spiral hull]

why do you want an aio?

[little osprey]

Better looking and probably more cooler

[spiral hull]

yea ig

[frigid night]

No affordable aio with a screen is going to be better than your air cooler.

[spiral hull]

i mean whats your cpu

[spiral hull]

there are no affordable aios with screens in general

[little osprey]

the R7 5800x3D

[spiral hull]

an aio is super duper overkill for that but ok...

[frigid night]

Basically what I said.

[spiral hull]

yea

reo did you see my list

[little osprey]

i mean i guess. i just like the look of the AIOs more than what I currently have.

[frigid night]

Yeah. I'm keeping it in mind. Hoping to get baccas opinion. He usually provides several lists with differences.

[spiral hull]

ok

[frigid night]

I'm all for aesthetics. I have an all white PC build.

That being said, you won't find an affordable aio with a screen. If you are going to spend the $$ to get one, I urge you to use that money elsewhere in your PC.

[little osprey]

well, I'm not saying a cheap one, because I am aware of that. Which is why I'm saying, as affordable as possible

[spiral hull]

why not an air cooler with a screen

like the

oh deepcool is gone

like

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/697scf/deepcool-ak620-digital-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak620-bkadmn-g

something like this

except one that exists

[frigid night]

Whoa. When did this come out?

[spiral hull]

a while back

idk wheb

[mossy venture]

6600 is on sale for $150 rn refurb

Lemme grab a link

[spiral hull]

but its now un-out

[little osprey]

can that even fit inside a Hyte Y60 case?

[spiral hull]

yea thats a good deal

[mossy venture]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305526655330

[spiral hull]

yea lol

[mossy venture]

Lemme make a full pcpartpicker list @frigid night

[spiral hull]

bacca

do you approve of my list

[frigid night]

You are beautiful. I love you. ❤️

[mossy venture]

Cheap one
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CLsVJy

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fmrqcH
Nicer one

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156209205173?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[spiral hull]

why so cheap

[mossy venture]

This is $690, this would be best value out of any of these options
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156375297649?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

12700f 3070 16gb ram 1tb ssd

[spiral hull]

bacca can i critique your list

nvm the nicer one is fine

except for the case

bc the pop air is significantly nicer and better and only like 5$ more

[mossy venture]

Ah that's a good point

I'd def swap to that

[spiral hull]

the 12400f is cheaper than the 5600 rn so i think thats a better option

[mossy venture]

Mobos cost more tho

Either
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TZPQzy/asrock-b660m-pro-rs-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-pro-rs

Or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NMWJ7P/gigabyte-b760m-gaming-plus-wifi-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760m-g-p-wifi-ddr4

[spiral hull]

yea but mobos are better too

[spiral hull]

https://www.newegg.com/p/1JW-001M-00H00

refurbished but they are on a budget

so probably fine

[potent portal]

Doesn't matter for this range of processor, only if upgrades are planned for the future

[spiral hull]

yea im assuming their friend might wanna upgrade

how am i a regular

i joined today

[potent portal]

Just means you hit level 3

You can post links and images now

[spiral hull]

cool

[spiral hull]

thats why im also reccomending a nice z690

so they can upgrade to a 13900k or smth and not worry about the vrm limiting them

[potent portal]

The only upgrade over the 5600 would be a 5800X3D or 5700X3D, which are more chips that don't care about the motherboard. So you can stick to the cheaper motherboard with no consequences.

[spiral hull]

yea

but the problem is thats the only upgrade

z690 has a bit more upgradability now that the micro code update is out

[potent portal]

Yes, but it is an upgrade that lets it match the 12900K or 13600K.

And the microcode is kinda working

[spiral hull]

yea ig

still https://www.newegg.com/p/1JW-001M-00H00 is a good deal

real nice board for 90

[potent portal]

No IO shield

[spiral hull]

its newegg

wait

its refurbished tho

how do i check

[spiral hull]

yea its mobo only

oh

[spiral hull]

yea that sucks

still an io shield costs like 6$

but no accessories

still a nice deal

[plucky timber]

Should be 10 for $6

[spiral hull]

yea

but its not sadly

[plucky timber]

Only in china sadly

[mossy venture]

I mean you don't really need an io shield

[spiral hull]

yea

i dont use one

[plucky timber]

More of a cosmetic thing really

But like

That's on the back of your pc

IO shields are a pain anyways

I think I've been cut by one

[dusky hearth]

Io shields help keep bugs out
Not that it really fully stops spiders from crawling in

[potent portal]

It also keeps you from shorting things out when you blindly plug in a USB drive

[mossy venture]

$216 7600 is also available
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256389305617

[spiral hull]

isnt the 6650xt better and cheaper

[mossy venture]

No

The 7600 is around 10% better

[potent portal]

6650 is also not cheaper

At least not new

$230 is the cheapest I see without going to ebay

There was a time where it was cheaper but now there's very little stock left

[spiral hull]

oh

i thought it was like 5% worse

[karmic crest]

purchased the ABS Vortex-X Ruby Gaming PC. I was just curious if there was a way I could replace the stock front panel with a different front panel that is Mesh, instead of it only having 2 airways on the side.

[spiral hull]

i dont think so

unless you find the case model and the case supports it no

you can diy your own panel tho

[karmic crest]

I saw videos of diy’ing it yeah

Was curious if there was like a $40 front panel or something that would of been too easy though lol

[spiral hull]

no buy you can prob diy it for cheaper

[karmic crest]

Found the case it’s a Thermaltake H700 Black Gaming Case

On site I mean I found it, now I gotta see if it’s compatible with a mesh front

[broken lake]

I know how to properly read dimensions, I swear XD

[cyan ravine]

💀

[analog hearth]

It's always the XD people

[vale epoch]

Srsly hoping ur not an engineer major

[broken lake]

Culinary Arts lol

Definitely not an engineer

[karmic crest]

C section

[broken lake]

I just returned it and ordered a smaller one 🤷‍♂️

[karmic crest]

4080? I have no idea which gpu that is I’m curious

[cyan ravine]

Looks like a verto

[sick delta]

7900xt or xtx?

[cyan ravine]

Can't tell which cos there's no serious hints other than "too big"

That's a 40 series card

It'll be a 70/80/90 one

Pretty sure

[sick delta]

this one??

[cyan ravine]

Yeah

Looks like it

☠️

Wait hold on, I might be confusing it with this one

[sick delta]

ohhhh its this with the film still on https://www.pny.com/pny-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-16gb-verto-triple-fan-oc-edition

[cyan ravine]

We sure we're thinking the same one? I think I am but wbu

[sick delta]

i thought it was gray

[cyan ravine]

Yeah it'll be something like that

[sick delta]

it sthe only three fan with no red logo

[cyan ravine]

Yep

[sick delta]

oh 4080 does too

[cyan ravine]

Question is which rtx

Yep

[sick delta]

its the 4080

https://www.pny.com/pny-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16-gb-verto-triple-fan-oc-edition

curved fan blades

[cyan ravine]

It could even be a 4070

[sick delta]

4070 is two fan

[cyan ravine]

It looks maybe 3 slots thick

Ah is it

Well maybe super

[sick delta]

super has red logos

https://www.pny.com/consumer/view-all-products/geforce-graphics

it's 4080 or 4090 p sure

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah I thought they had the same fascia mb

Ye it's an 80 or 90

A lot of 70 Ti's used the same or similar cooler from the GA102 stack

Wow my brain not with it

*AD102

Lol

[broken lake]

4080 super

[broken lake]

Yea that one

The one with the red logo just has rgb compared to the one that I got that was just leds

https://a.co/d/69z451X

I ended up ordering this one instead

[analog hearth]

Finally. An actual build in #build-pics

[spiral hull]

thank you

[bold stone]

Can sb help me set my wifi extender up?

[potent portal]

What part exactly do you need help with?

Typically those things are simple. Have them close together and hold the WPS buttons until lights stop flashing and it should be on the network ready to go.

[bold stone]

I did that

Is there a better way?

I heard tjat

Cause my extender suffers from horrible packetloss

And sometimes just turns off randomly mid game

Ive had it for some months

[potent portal]

That means it has bad signal, either to your device or the router

[bold stone]

Could the ethernet cable be the cause

[potent portal]

Possibly. Older cables are more likely to fail too.

[bold stone]

Its new but cheap af

[brittle tinsel]

Intel Core i7
12700F 2.1 GHz, NVIDIA RTX 4060, 1TB NVME SSD, 16GB DDR4
RAM 3200, 600W Gold PSU, 240mm AlO, 11AC Wi-Fi, Windows 11
Home 64-bi, White

Used pc, the guy wants $780 usd for it. only concern I had was the clock speed on the cpu. My brothers i5 4590s has a speed of 3.3 GHz or 3.7 GHz turbo.
Is it a fair price and/or a decent pc for a first pc?

[mossy venture]

This is better value
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156235474812?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Actually I take that back

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156375297649?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

This beats both of them

3070 is around 35-50% better than the 3060 12gb and 4060

[brittle tinsel]

isnt refurbished a little sketch? Ive only ever bought one part that was refurbished and it was missing the mounting screws

[mossy venture]

Not really, it's directly from lenovo

And has 2yr warranty

[brittle tinsel]

Seeing that the one you linked uses the same 12700f cpu, I take it its not a bad cpu even for the low clock speed?

[mossy venture]

Nope, it's great

In gaming it'll be worse than 7600/7700 as far as I know, but not by much

Oh wait

It's on ddr5, with a ram upgrade it should match the 7600 in gaming

Either way, it performs more than good enough to keep up with a 3070 at 1080p/1440p easily

[trim junco]

im new to building computers and i have a prebuilt bc but wondering whats the best gpu i can use with a i7 7700k in a micro atx case

[pseudo pollen]

Budget?

[potent portal]

Technically you can use a 4090 with that but whether it's used fully depends on what resolution you're playing at and what you're playing.

[hasty cove]

Ok fellas I got a question

I’m upgrading pc cpu and cooler

From ryzen 5 5600 to 7 5700

And thermaleogjt phantom spirit 120 se series

Do I need to change out any brackets

Or can I just pop the heatsink n such in on the mobo

This was the old cooler

[potent portal]

No bracket change, but that's not much of an upgrade. If you're gaming it'll be maybe 3% more fps.

[hasty cove]

Fine by me

[trim junco]

I play with 120hz and 1080p

[spiral hull]

thats a small upgrade thi

why

[potent portal]

I'd recommend a 6750 XT
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B34M1YLW?th=1

[hasty cove]

Twas a present

[spiral hull]

oo

k

[hasty cove]

And was recommended since it wasn’t a huge upgrade

Didn’t need anything big tbh

[trim junco]

I'm looking at 2 pre builds rn bc of budget and ability to upgrade in the future, tossed up between these 2:

Build #1:

Cpu: Ryzen 5 2600X (Stock Cooler)
Motherboard: Gigabyte b450m wifi (new with box)
Gpu: XFX Radeon RX 6600XT
Ram: 32GB Corsair Vengeance 3200mhz
Psu: EVGA 650 G5 Fully Modular (New with box)
Case: Phanteks XT Pro Ultra 4x ARGB fans
(Brand New)

VS

Build #2:

Cpu: Ryzen 7 5700G
Gpu: RTX 3060ti
Ram: 16gb
Pre-Built Omen 25L Gaming PC

Which one do you think would be better in the long run for upgrades and such?

[potent portal]

HP has near zero upgradeability

They use proprietary parts

[trim junco]

So u recommend option #1 then?

[potent portal]

What's the price

[trim junco]

Bc I'm looking at fb marketplace bc my budget is 500$

[potent portal]

Ah ok, neither are great tbh but for the price it is what it is. At least you can pop a X3D CPU into it and get a serious upgrade later.

[trim junco]

Right, I'm tryna find a good Pre-Build around that price and preferably in person bc custom builds are a decent amount more than what I have to spend

[mossy venture]

This does cost a good bit more, but is a pretty big jump in perf
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156375297649?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

$671

[spiral hull]

why not the 7700 build

[potent portal]

If the 7700K + GPU is still an option that would be the cheapest and most effective thing, even if it's not really upgradeable

If space is an issue there's 2 fan models

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CH1R789W?th=1

[mossy venture]

This one's 550
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156209205173?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[mossy venture]

Meant to link some others and got distracted

$598
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156235474812

[spiral hull]

yes that one

[hasty cove]

put the new cpu and coolers in

i hear tiny clicking noises and it wont detect my second monitor 😭

[dusky hearth]

Did you clear cmos

[hasty cove]

can you translate that please

and how do i do that

[dusky hearth]

I forget if we have a guide here

Cmos stands for co.... Huh I forget the first word

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html#:~:text=Steps to clear CMOS using the jumper method&text=In general%2C the CMOS jumper,back to the default position.

Complementary metal-oxide-semiconductor

[hasty cove]

might have been my issue

i turned off computer

unplugged

but forgot to flip the psu switch

bruh i gotta reopen the case 😭

i shall return

[hasty cove]

Oh boy am I pissed

Righty tightied a little too much and now I can’t put that back

[sick parcel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HM8R7R can someone make this under at least 600

[mossy venture]

Like 600 on top of the current total?

Or make it $400 cheaper

[sick parcel]

400 cheaper

[mossy venture]

Sorry I just reread that sentence I added a word there lmao

I got you, few min

[sick parcel]

okay

[mossy venture]

Do you have ethernet?

[sick parcel]

yes

[mossy venture]

This is a bit over budget
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j3rLt7

Cheaper you either need to do half the storage or half the ram

Or a worse gpu

Gpu link
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256389305617

Cheaper gpu
https://www.ebay.com/itm/305526655330

[spiral hull]

what about that 550

prebuilt

[mossy venture]

Was abt to link it, one sec

[mossy venture]

Actually right up here

Three pre built options

[sick parcel]

first link

[analog hearth]

Doesn't matter

[sick parcel]

okay

[hasty cove]

still not detecting second monitor

[dusky hearth]

are you plugged into your mobo? because if you dont have an igpu, or if it was disabled in bios, it wont be able to display

[hasty cove]

should be plugged in

it worked before

[dusky hearth]

(any intel cpu with F in it, or any amd cpu prior to 7000 series without a G in it wont have an igpu)

[dusky hearth]

before you changed your cpu though right

[hasty cove]

yea

[dusky hearth]

which cpu do you have now

[hasty cove]

amd ryzen 7 5700

[dusky hearth]

that doesnt have an igpu

[hasty cove]

a

that explains why i can still put my cursor over there

but i cant see

yea its plugged into the mobo

that sounds like bad product design

why would an upgrade not have a igpu

but an older one does have it

[dusky hearth]

well, igpu often means slightly worse performance

also not all older ones have it

most amd cpus dont have an igpu

[hasty cove]

old one was ryzen 5 5600

[dusky hearth]

would probably be a 5600G

[hasty cove]

yea i think it is

[dusky hearth]

5600 doesnt have an igpu either

only the G varient would

[hasty cove]

i wish someone at the microcenter told me that

or whoever reccomended a new cpu 😭

[dusky hearth]

did you buy that 5700 new?

is it a 5700x3d or 5700x or just 5700

[hasty cove]

lemme check

x3d

[dusky hearth]

ok good

[hasty cove]

it was new

why whats wrong with the x or plain?

[dusky hearth]

x3d is way better for gaming

[hasty cove]

good to know

[dusky hearth]

it's the cpu that i want to upgrade to, though im waiting for a good used deal on it

since im still on a 3700x

[hasty cove]

dam

[cyan ravine]

Wow old

[dusky hearth]

ikr

[cyan ravine]

I only associate myself with elites thx

[hasty cove]

anything i can do with my second monitor?

[dusky hearth]

it's like pretty much as old as a pentium 4 at this point frfr

[hasty cove]

its kinda old

[cyan ravine]

Monitor it

[dusky hearth]

there are hdmi or displayport to vga adapters

[hasty cove]

any decent monitor reccomendations then?

[dusky hearth]

though idk if it's worth the cost

[hasty cove]

yea idk

cause it uses vga

but i think im using the one hdmi on my gpu

[dusky hearth]

dont get me wrong, vga is great because it basically always works

[hasty cove]

so wait

[dusky hearth]

one of the most reliable display connectors

[hasty cove]

if i plugged my good monitor into the hdmi on the mobo

would it not display

[dusky hearth]

it's just dated because it cant do high resolutions

yeah it wont

[hasty cove]

aight

[dusky hearth]

mobo display connectors would be connected to the igpu if it existed

while the gpu display connectors would be connected to well.... the gpu

lol

[hasty cove]

my qeustion

why

would the gpu people

not make

TWO

hdmi ports

instead of only one and 3 other ones

[dusky hearth]

hdmi is just a bit more wack

most gaming monitors use displayport

also displayport's just better

[cyan ravine]

Hdmi ports are the most expensive kind

[hasty cove]

but like

hdmi is so vanilla

[dusky hearth]

displayport is like an open standard that you can implement for free while hdmi has a fee

[hasty cove]

everyone knows hdmi

[cyan ravine]

Technologically inferior to dp but cost more

[hasty cove]

are these displayport?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Dp is just better

[hasty cove]

so all i need is a displayport to vga adapter

[dusky hearth]

asides from the cost of the connector, you have to pay the hdmi IF or whatever they're called a fee for every connector you add on a device or smth

[hasty cove]

except

[dusky hearth]

or was it every device you put hdmi on it

and to even join the HDMI IF or whatever they're called, you have to pay like 10 grand a year or smth

[hasty cove]

this bs 😭

[hasty cove]

cring

one of the dang mobo connectors wont come loose

[dusky hearth]

just grab some needle nose pliers to twist the thing off

[hasty cove]

thats the thing

[dusky hearth]

needlenose pliers are a nice thing to invest in since so many things could use it

pliers are like the 2nd most used hand tool i have lmfao

[hasty cove]

i dont have tools i actually need

[dusky hearth]

harbor freight

[hasty cove]

why did it say i was muted

[dusky hearth]

idk if that even exists in canada but that's a good place to get cheap tools of good enough quality for home use as far as im aware

[cyan ravine]

Very expensive

[hasty cove]

seven whole dollars 😦

[dusky hearth]

honestly, if you want a cheap monitor as your secondary

[hasty cove]

can you guys see my chats?

[cyan ravine]

For a slow one yeah

[dusky hearth]

just go to a thrift shop and look for one with the correct connector

[hasty cove]

oh ok

[cyan ravine]

For a good one they're not cheap

[dusky hearth]

i mean, for a secondary monitor

does it really matter

[hasty cove]

yea

[cyan ravine]

Not really

But I mean, it's less to swap to a monitor with dp if it's an option

[hasty cove]

the secondary monitor was only cause i had it from an old computer

ion use it for anything besides youtube and discord

[dusky hearth]

is your primary monitor good, or do you want to replace it

[cyan ravine]

Does your main monitor have dp

Most new monitors have dp

Not even most, some tvs have it

Lol

[dusky hearth]

tfw im on an hdmi monitor rn as well

💀

but it also doesnt have vesa

[cyan ravine]

Bro is this like 2008

[dusky hearth]

lmao

[cyan ravine]

Ur on ancient ryzen and a tv without vesa

[dusky hearth]

hey, dont worry, i ordered what bacca recommended

it will have dp and vesa

[cyan ravine]

Next you'll tell me you use an ibm keyboard

Gonna slowly agitate me like this

[dusky hearth]

i mean

i do have one

[cyan ravine]

No

[dusky hearth]

technically

💀

my repro model f is in storage though

[cyan ravine]

[hasty cove]

im happy with it

[cyan ravine]

Inb4 you don't even computer

[hasty cove]

pretty sure it was hdmi

tho

i might be stupid

[dusky hearth]

yeah i got a PC
IBM PC ong frfr

[cyan ravine]

Check if it has dp

[hasty cove]

because it could have come with displayport cables

[cyan ravine]

Check

[hasty cove]

aa

ya

[dusky hearth]

my old monitor had dp as well yeah

[cyan ravine]

Dp is better so it's worth it

[dusky hearth]

support the open standard

hdmi has gotten too much money

[hasty cove]

nvm

[cyan ravine]

If it's made in the last 5 years it should easily have it

[hasty cove]

i only see

hdmi port

vga port

power

[cyan ravine]

Ancient monitor

[dusky hearth]

not even dvi?

[hasty cove]

o

you ment old one

old one does in fact hav e

displayport

shoulda cheked that before i ordered an adapter

time to cancel amazon

[dusky hearth]

💀

what

the old one has dp

[hasty cove]

yea

`thats dp right

[cyan ravine]

That is indeed

[formal girder]

I fear the age of that dp might be a limiter

[cyan ravine]

It could also be an enabler

[hasty cove]

my dum new monitor

[cyan ravine]

Might run the bandwidth just fine and open a hdmi port up

[hasty cove]

has hdmi, rgb in and headphones

and power

lowkey hating computers rn

what do i do now

[hasty cove]

how does that work

[cyan ravine]

?

[hasty cove]

enabler?

[cyan ravine]

The port is either fast enough for the speed of the display

And enable you to use that instead

And give the other monitor hdmi

It's not a technical term it's subjective to your problem lol

[hasty cove]

oh

ykw ill think about it when i wake up

im to tired to think

thanks people

[cyan ravine]

Lol np

[dusky hearth]

when you compare old ass dp to vga

i would say the dp would still be better

lmao

unless you meant it by something else

[jagged ember]

DP 1.2 is still way superior to VGA

DP 1.4 obviously is still a great port

And with I think DP 2.0 (right?) it's gonna be even better

[potent portal]

It will be once more things use the full 80gbps spec. There's apparently been signal integrity issues so only mini DP uses it right now.

4k 240Hz HDR on no compression, that's the goal for the spec

[jagged ember]

Super weird the mini version gets it first lol

[crimson zinc]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jj_pGfN5N4zj7xobrCJkMNhFm3mQqQ4_5b9BF8tPyBk/htmlview

This might be helpful

[dusky hearth]

You would think that something smaller would have more issues with signal integrity due to it potentially being able to get crosstalk more

[rain bloom]

What kind of specs am I looking for on a device that’s primarily gonna run games like siege and valorant, so not super intensive but need to run well?

[obsidian wigeon]

What res and budget do you have?

For that kinda stuff, assuming at 1080p. You don't need much processing power

[potent portal]

Generally speaking for eSports you can get a strong CPU with a relatively weaker GPU, like a 7800X3D/3070 combo, since competitive settings are typically at or below 1080p and very CPU bound.

[spiral hull]

why you calling a 3070 weak ;c

[odd venture]

maybe someone here can help me lol

[dusky hearth]

Garbage gpu

[odd venture]

Need advice on the best RAM to use with an MSI MEG Z690 ACE DDR5 LGA 1700 Intel Z690 SATA 6Gb/s Extended ATX Intel
Hardware

I was looking at

CORSAIR Dominator Titanium 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) Desktop Memory Model CMP64GX5M2B6000C30W

but somebody told me: "EXPO, XMP D.O.C.P. or whatever else they call it, is basically the same thing, just different marketing names.

The QVL and EXPO in this instance means, they only tested it with AMD, but it should work just the same as in an Intel system.

The 6000/CL30 is the optimal for AMD, but for Intel, you benefit more from higher memory frequency, so this kit might not be optimal for your system!"

They then suggested: "Well, first off, since it´s technically overclocking, nothing is really guaranteed, there are many variables and a plethora of settings in BIOS to optimize or make the system stable.

Second, for Intel, if white and Corsair is the preference, I believe the module you should be looking at is the CMP64GX5M2X6600C32W"

But after my own review, I find that this memory is likely 2R and my board states it will likely only handle around 5600MHz on 2R Memory.

"
1DPC 1R Max speed up to 6666+
1DPC 2R Max speed up to 5600+
"

So should I go with the CMP64GX5M2B6000C30W or the CMP64GX5M2X6600C32W?

I feel like my first choice was the correct one, given that 2x32GB is likely to be 2R Memory

[dusky hearth]

Why corsair and why 64gb

[odd venture]

Why not corsair and why not 64GB?

Is there something wrong with Corsair memory?

[teal dome]

Do you need 64gigs?

For most 32gb is more than enough

[odd venture]

32gb is not enough for me

i'm using 16 right now,

[teal dome]

16 idle is crazy work

[odd venture]

and that's just with the minimum open

[teal dome]

But if you need 64, go for it

Idk why not corsair since I don't have too much knowledge on that, sorry

[odd venture]

well yeah i mean if im running visual studio code, 3ds max or a bunch of other stuff

i need that

realistically I would be okay with 48GB or less

but since it's dual channel and 2x32 I mean yeah.

2x16 would be dual rank also so I might as well get 2x32

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cMgrxr/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-gaming-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-su064gxlwu60afdesk

[dusky hearth]

At least on ddr4, corsair ram was around the same quality ram as low quality OEM ram
I'm not too sure about the quality of ddr5 corsair stuff but I lost trust in them from ddr4

[odd venture]

oh well i need it to be aesthetically pleasing as well..it doesn't make much sense to me to have a nice looking system with ram that looks like it's budget quality,

[odd venture]

and i don't see how this is true

speculation at best

unless you have some references

[dusky hearth]

It's not that they don't work, just bad bins

[odd venture]

corsair ram

the corsair generally has better reviews from what i can see

ive had corsair memory in the past and it never failed me

g.skill was also good

[odd venture]

really though I need it to match system, though

it just looks nice, it has a warranty so it should be fine imo

[dusky hearth]

Pretty much every ram stick has lifetime warranty

[odd venture]

meh idc about saving money, i'd rather trust corsair over silicon power

i just need to know if it will work with my board lol

[dusky hearth]

Felix or falcie probably could answer but Felix probably is sleeping and idk if fal is at work

Also silicon power is pretty old of a company is also fairly well known for being good value and reliable

Been around for around 21 years at this point

[odd venture]

I can't even find any Silicon Power benchmarks,

and the Corsair comes out on top.
https://www.overclockers.com/corsair-vengeance-32gb-ddr5-7000-cl34-memory-kit-review/

I'm willing to bet the Corsair is actually better, and likely performs better under load, without a benchmark for SP I don't know how well the SP performs.

[potent portal]

No benchmark required, Corsair locks their PMIC which severely limits how much you can overclock it. That's why their DDR5 isn't recommended.

Also the testing methodology of that chart is bad. Lots more timings than just the CAS latency affect the bandwidth.

It also has nothing to do with the brand as a whole, just that particular kit that they tested.

But after my own review, I find that this memory is likely 2R and my board states it will likely only handle around 5600MHz on 2R Memory.
This would be the case. The most memory you can usually do without sacrificing speed is 48GB, with 2x24GB sticks. With the new 24Gb ICs they run in 2x1R.

[spiral hull]

im gonna be a bit brand over model but corsair overpriced and ew

[odd venture]

if I'm not able to go over 5600 MHz anyway, the locked PMIC shouldn't matter right?

[potent portal]

Overclocking means more than just increasing MHz

[odd venture]

So what's it mean?

Am I gonna need to mess with timings?

I'm thinking if I enable the XMP and get the 6000MHz kit, it's not gonna work

I'd have to do everything manual

[potent portal]

Sometimes it means the stick won't run at XMP/EXPO because it needs just a liiiitle more voltage because you got unlucky with your memory controller, but you can't give it that extra voltage.

[odd venture]

So I should probably find those 24GB ICs and try to run 1R Instead?

[potent portal]

If speed with high capacity is your goal that's the best option for you, unless you really need even more memory for things like huge blender renders.

[odd venture]

Nah, I would be good with 48GB.

Thanks, Is there any memory you could recommend?

[potent portal]

I never see more than 20GB of usage personally, even with browser, discord, background stuff, and game open.

[odd venture]

I normally have about 100 browser tabs open

[potent portal]

That's fine, browsers put the ones not actively in use on disk cache

[odd venture]

and i don't even see how

[potent portal]

It might be tricky getting 7600 to run but this is a good deal
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CTJ82Q7Q

Oh wait you wanted white right?

[odd venture]

what's the jdec of that though

my board only supports 4800 DDR5 JEDEC

[potent portal]

Depends on the IC but that shouldn't be a problem

[odd venture]

I mean it doesn't have to be white, I really just want good memory lol

[potent portal]

Same kit but RGB https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CK77RVS8?th=1

White kit, 7200 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mGJp99/teamgroup-t-create-expert-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-7200-cl34-memory-ctcwd548g7200hc34adc01

[odd venture]

LMAO

you beat me to it

[potent portal]

At least you have your answer on if I'd recommend it lol

[odd venture]

doesn't show up in compatibility list though

it might not work?

[potent portal]

The QVL isn't an end all be all thing. They only test a few kits out of hundreds that are available.

[odd venture]

So it doesn't show a JEDEC speed

[potent portal]

7200 might take a little bit of tweaking in BIOS but you should be able to run it.

[odd venture]

makes me nervous buying it

like what is the stock speed, i know it's not gonna boot at 7200?

[mossy venture]

Intel cpu I'm assuming?

[mossy venture]

No it'll boot at jedec

[potent portal]

Yeah on Z690

[mossy venture]

Somewhere between 4800 and 5600

[mossy venture]

Oh which one?

[mossy venture]

7200 seems a bit ambitious imo

[odd venture]

yeah

[potent portal]

Ace

[mossy venture]

Rated spec isn't important

I'd probably stick to 6400 honestly, you can accomplish the same thing by changing a few numbers and value in bios if you felt like it

And it wouldn't be a huge perf boost unless doing bandwidth intensive tasks like music creation

[odd venture]

💯

[potent portal]

The thing is the slower kits actually cost MORE

[odd venture]

I mean I just feel like a faster kit is not gonna post

[mossy venture]

64gb silicon power 6000c30 is $170 in white, but you def won't be doing over 6800mhz on 64gb

[mossy venture]

Just change 7200 to 6400 and it's the same thing

On the faster kit

[potent portal]

Yep. It'll get you into BIOS at base speed, enable XMP, change 7200 to 6600 or 6800, and you'll be good to go.

[odd venture]

oh so it should automatically run at base speed 4800?

[potent portal]

Yes

[odd venture]

and then the XMP will boost it and then I can lower it?

[potent portal]

It only turns on XMP when you tell it to

[odd venture]

I mean 2x24GB is the only one I can do and that's the 7200 kit

I should just get that

and if it doesn't post lower it

right lol?

[potent portal]

You can try that. Enable XMP, see if it works, and if it doesn't it'll auto reset so you can change the settings.

[odd venture]

Thanks

I have to ask

How do you know these are 1R?

Like obviously you have some experience, but how did you figure it out?

[potent portal]

Because the only ICs that it could possibly use are 24Gb ones. There's 8 bits in a byte, and 8 ICs per side of the stick, so that's 24GB per side. Each side is effectively 1 Rank.

There's 48GB sticks that are 2R also using the 24Gb ICs

There's no 12Gb IC so there's no chance of them pulling some sort of dirty swap by using different configurations in the same model. (this was a problem on DDR4)

Oh and do be sure to update your BIOS so your CPU doesn't decide to end itself. Plus that improves memory support.

[odd venture]

I already did that lol

I updated my bios 2 hours ago

[odd venture]

The CPU would end itself?

Wouldn't it just like, not boot?

Until I did the bios update?

[potent portal]

If you haven't heard, Intel has had a lot of problems with CPUs degrading to the point where games won't start within a few months of owning it

The new BIOS includes a "fix" for that

[odd venture]

Oh, alright.

Good to know.

Thanks

[potent portal]

It won't fix it if you have a bad CPU already but it will help prevent early failure

[odd venture]

Do you have any thread that discusses this issue in more detail? I'm curious now lol

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/236774/intel-core-i3-processor-14100-12m-cache-up-to-4-70-ghz.html

This is gonna be my first CPU before I upgrade to a 13900K

Oh, I see.

[potent portal]

https://youtu.be/IcUMQQr6oBc?si=gqeC80Cr2DyCJUll

The 14100 won't be an issue

It's mostly on i9 processors, some i7, and a few i5

[trim junco]

If I have a choice of 3 builds from marketplace, which one should I go with?

1. $700 nzxt
   https://www.facebook.com/share/CV5EaT8apdaNtmFR/?mibextid=kL3p88

2. $750 gaming PC Rtx 2060 super
   https://www.facebook.com/share/eT8cZXu9JDQ5sPY7/?mibextid=kL3p88

3. $600 gaming PC
   https://www.facebook.com/share/1yLjRzkoDNodqXVC/?mibextid=kL3p88

I'm tossing up between 3 builds and don't know what one will be the best for gaming and editing and music recording

[mossy venture]

id suggest the 3070 build i linked you the other day at $690, but out of these the first one

[trim junco]

The thing is, I can negotiate these down close to my budget of 500 ish

I need it to be around that range

[mossy venture]

i did link one at 550 iirc

if thats doable

[trim junco]

But I'm looking for one in person bc our shipping people here suck

[mossy venture]

though that 3060 ti build would be better'

[trim junco]

That's why I'm looking at marketplace lol

[odd venture]

I dislike all of them but If I had to choose— the first one, so I agree with Bacca

[mossy venture]

Ok I'm just saying
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155913709312?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Could buy that and sell the gpu, and replace with something gaming oriented

Seems to go for $200+ on ebay

[north echo]

I need a suggestion; im looking for a 32 inch 4K+ monitor for my wife. This will basically just be for MAC OS, a windows work computer and content consumption. She does do some creative work but not professionally

budget of like 500-600usd

[spiral hull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cRNxFT/lg-27gr95qe-b-265-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-27gr95qe-b

this is 1440p but oled

i would wait for someone elses recommendation bc idk anything about monitors

[potent portal]

This would be my pick for this scenario
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-32-4k-uhd-gaming-monitor-g3223q/apd/210-bdbk/monitors-monitor-accessories

It has fantastic color accuracy out of the box in sRGB mode and full compatibility with Macs

Here's a comparison to what would be my second choice
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/lg-32gr93u-b-vs-dell-g3223q/40717/32378?usage=4112&threshold=0.10#test_22328

The LG would be better for gaming with it's better motion and VRR handling but that doesn't affect content consumption or creation at all.

[potent portal]

OLED is not recommended for workstation use due to the large amounts of static elements on screen that can cause burn in more quickly

[spiral hull]

do oleds even have burn in anymore