building-and-recc-chat

[dusky hearth]

not really much downsides? you may get some funkyness from it though

actually, iirc more latency

for frame gen

you get more fps but at a slightly higher latency

[burnt dawn]

hold up

[sand plover]

How big is the difference?

[burnt dawn]

frame gen causes slight latency?

💀

[dusky hearth]

probably like 5ms idk

[burnt dawn]

i bet comp gamers would say too much lag

they like to have 1ms or something.

[muted patio]

Not sure latency matters in Roblox 🤣

[burnt dawn]

🤣

[dusky hearth]

i vaguely remember there being conversations about how frame gen isnt useful in comp shooters

[sand plover]

I wanna play beamng and other stuff

[dusky hearth]

due to the added latency

[burnt dawn]

just get an used 4080 and settle.

[muted patio]

I do that on my 3070 OC just fine

[burnt dawn]

or ^

[dusky hearth]

roblox by default has terrible latency fr

well, from the servers

[burnt dawn]

or AMD 6000/7000 series

[sand plover]

Wb 7900xtx

[burnt dawn]

i have a 7900xt and im quite happy with it

[potent portal]

The "AI" (which is just an algorithm) takes 2 frames and fills in a third frame in the gaps between, which gives the appearance of displaying at a higher frame rate. Possible funkiness includes blurred image, UI looking like garbage, latency, ghosting, straight lines looking curved and vice versa... etc etc.

[muted patio]

XT not xtx

[burnt dawn]

it pairs well with 3440x1440p monitor

165hz tho

yes its OLED too

[sand plover]

So it’s good but it can also be bad?

What games is it best for?

[potent portal]

Basically yes. If you're running at a higher fps to start with it's less noticeable.

[sand plover]

#building-and-recc-chat message

[sand plover]

Alrighty do you think it’s worth it?

[muted patio]

Get the XT not xtx

[burnt dawn]

^

[sand plover]

Whyyyy

[dusky hearth]

nobody:
the prescribed medication:

[muted patio]

Same perf but cheaper

[burnt dawn]

Price is less

and 20gb vram.

[potent portal]

That's up to you. It's one of those things you have to try for yourself in each game to see if it bothers you.

More than 12 doesn't matter (yet)

Only one game I know of gets above 12GB, even at ultra quality

[sand plover]

Beamng?

Doesnt that game take a lot of ram?

[potent portal]

Not in any reality even with mods

RAM yes, VRAM no

[sand plover]

How much ram would you think it uses at most?

[potent portal]

I've personally seen it use 20GB with tons of mods and physics going on

But again that's system RAM

Not video

[burnt dawn]

I wonder if 16GB RAM (2x8gb) kit is still valid for new pc build to this date?

[sand plover]

My friend has that he’s doing great and happy

[potent portal]

Technically yes, but only for DDR4

[burnt dawn]

Not 5?

[potent portal]

8GB sticks of DDR5 are ass

[burnt dawn]

Interesting.

Is it Latency huh

[sand plover]

I WANT 4x16 RAM

[potent portal]

You only have half the banks filled so you only get half the speed (it's more complicated than that but that's the gist of it)

[sand plover]

I like the Rgb on the ram it’s so pretty

Friends computer

[burnt dawn]

time to download beamng and see what kind of performance i get with 5800x3d/7900xt and 32gb ram 3600mhz.

[potent portal]

Don't do 4 sticks with DDR5, you'll regret it when your memory only runs at 3600

[sand plover]

How come?

[potent portal]

The memory controllers aren't good enough to handle it

[sand plover]

I don’t know that type of stuff

[sand plover]

So 2x32 not 4x16

[potent portal]

Yes

[sand plover]

Is there ever a reason to use 4

[burnt dawn]

HEDT chips

[potent portal]

Keep in mind you will also get a speed penalty with any configuration above 48GB

[burnt dawn]

Ryzen Threadrippers

mainly used as server and workstation I think.

[sand plover]

Penalty?

[sand plover]

Ohhh ok

[sand plover]

3x16?

[potent portal]

2x24

[sand plover]

That’s a thing?

[potent portal]

We have 24GB sticks now and they're amazing

[sand plover]

How are they better again?

Like how is 48gb good and not 64

[potent portal]

The reason is SUPER technical but effectively the more RAM you have the harder it is on the memory controller. The harder the controller has to work, the slower the RAM has to go.

The limit of having the best speeds works out to 48GB on current systems

[sand plover]

Ohhh ok wouldn’t a more expensive motherboard be better for more ram

[potent portal]

I've seen 24GB sticks get past 11,000

No

The memory controller is on the CPU

[sand plover]

Ok

https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb/p/N82E16820985152?item=N82E16820985152&source=googleshopping&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-mobile&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-mobile-_-pla-_-memory+(desktop+memory)-_-N82E16820985152&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid+shopping&utm_campaign=knc-googleadwords-mobile-_-pla-_-memory+(desktop+memory)-_-N82E16820985152&id0=Google&id1=21526716896&id2=174030947908&id3=&id4=&id5=pla-293946777986&id6=&id7=9052942&id8=&id9=g&id10=m&id11=&id12=CjwKCAjwqre1BhAqEiwA7g9QhsZia_HqR6fFUVwQhbNE82UjlSWmFBMp1TeY_ULKUEudmI2-J_bjaRoCk0QQAvD_BwE&id13=Y&id14=Y&id15=&id16=707775961090&id17=&id18=&id19=&id20=&id21=pla&id22=8438988&id23=online&id24=N82E16820985152&id25=US&id26=293946777986&id27=&id28=&id29=&id30=9288975293126448177&id31=en&id32=&id33=&id34=&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD-YhmNBYAanndwqWgljKNpIcqFL6&gclid=CjwKCAjwqre1BhAqEiwA7g9QhsZia_HqR6fFUVwQhbNE82UjlSWmFBMp1TeY_ULKUEudmI2-J_bjaRoCk0QQAvD_BwE

I found this

.

Ummmm that’s a lil bit of a big link

[potent portal]

There's lots of expensive boards that are just terrible at memory overclocking

[burnt dawn]

Just loaded into BeamNG

[potent portal]

You can erase everything from the ? and after

[sand plover]

Lucky

[sand plover]

Is it free?

[potent portal]

https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb/p/N82E16820985152

[burnt dawn]

Im sure you dont need 4090 or XTX to do this

Only uses 9-10 GB VRAM on the GPU

[potent portal]

4k?

[sand plover]

How’s your link short

[burnt dawn]

3440x1440p

i guess u can say 4k?

[sand plover]

Can a bad laptop play it?

And is it free

[potent portal]

Ah ultrawide

More on the screen means more memory used

[burnt dawn]

RAM or vram.

[potent portal]

VRAM usage goes up as resolution increases. System RAM goes up with extra effects and physics (such as ray tracing).

[burnt dawn]

Gotcha

[sand plover]

Guys

[sand plover]

^

[burnt dawn]

not free but you can get it on sale

and depends on the specs

if it got an discrete graphics card.

can play at low-med settings

[potent portal]

#building-and-recc-chat message

[sand plover]

Oki ill see what I can do

[sand plover]

Removed all after the ?

[burnt dawn]

just post the laptop specs

[potent portal]

Yes

[sand plover]

Don’t have it rn

[sand plover]

Thx

[potent portal]

You can do the same with amazon links, but with the ref= part instead of ?

Oh and that kit of memory is good, it'll be a Hynix die based on those timings

[burnt dawn]

It hovered around 10 GB

btw any mobile phone can play genshim impact

so ur "bad laptop" can play genshin impact

[sand plover]

Still need a Rgb 4090 that I made pink

Or light blue

[burnt dawn]

the what

[sand plover]

I need the strix 4090 and I’ll make the Rgb blue or pink when playing genshin

I NEED IT

[burnt dawn]

why not..

Strix 4070 Ti Super

[sand plover]

It’s mean

[burnt dawn]

Huh?

[sand plover]

Idk I just don’t want that one

[burnt dawn]

At the point you're unnecessary spending on a 4090 that you may not make full use of it.

But hey.

Your money.

[sand plover]

I’m dumb

[burnt dawn]

If you want the help from this server, better listen and take suggestions.

So you maximze your $ for performance.

[sand plover]

I got everything from here except the gpu that’s it

[burnt dawn]

ah. what is the specs

[sand plover]

I’ll send the list here

[sand plover]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qyWGyg forget the monitor and the gpu there will be a 4090

[muted patio]

https://tenor.com/view/riguelzito-gif-21220368

[sand plover]

Hissss

[sand plover]

Is it at least a good pc?

[burnt dawn]

💀

I just got here

[muted patio]

It's been 5 days of this. 4090, NZXT AIO with screen, B tier PSU, QLC drive, no changes

[burnt dawn]

☠️

[sand plover]

What’s the QLC drive?

[sand plover]

No more nzxt aio im getting a cheaper one for 150 with a screen

[burnt dawn]

you're deadass getting ignored

my advice is take their suggestions

[sand plover]

:(

[potent portal]

We already had a full conversation about changing the drive

[burnt dawn]

was about to say scroll up

[sand plover]

The storage?

[potent portal]

#building-and-recc-chat message

[sand plover]

Ohh I didn’t see this link

[burnt dawn]

I meant no rude or bad remarks, its how people will simply ignore and save their energy for people that actually listen and take their advice.

2 years ago I asked for a PSU recommedation

here

they told me brand doesnt matter.

I listened, took the S or A tier PSU i think

and here I am, PSU running well ever since.

[muted patio]

This is slightly aged but still very relevant for PSU https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[burnt dawn]

has that been updated?

[muted patio]

Not since 11/2023

😦

Still decent though as most haven't changed

[burnt dawn]

defo needs update since theres a weird connector L shaped psus coming around

[muted patio]

Yeah, I like the idea of those

Can't see why they'd be worse unless they change the PSU internal parts

Which they'll probably do

[burnt dawn]

the L shaped psus, its better for dual chamber pc cases or any normal ATX sized?

[sand plover]

It’s fine I’ll be quiet about the computer I want rn till I make it

[potent portal]

I can ask Luke what's up with the list

[burnt dawn]

get whatever u want and be happy, nobody else is coming to stop u

[sand plover]

Always told it’s not needed but I get it

[muted patio]

Any normal sized, kinda declutters the PSU area, provided your case is large enough

Some ATX cases won't have room for them

[burnt dawn]

Neato

[potent portal]

It's not needed and the money is better spent on a new monitor, but we can't stop you if that's what you really want

[burnt dawn]

probably my next PSU upgrade

but atm 850w is doing fine

revolution D.F

[sand plover]

Yea ik

[muted patio]

Have a Phanteks AMP 750, all I need for now

[potent portal]

My 3080 ti managed to trip my RM850x a few times before Nvida finally got the transients under control

[muted patio]

Oof

[burnt dawn]

damn.

[muted patio]

Those had HUGE transients though along with the 3090's

people cooking PSU's left and right

[burnt dawn]

dani, check out Alienware AW3423DWF 34.2" 3440 x 1440 165 Hz Curved Monitor.

[potent portal]

At least I know the protections work 🙃

[burnt dawn]

the XTX is more than enough to run the DWF

[strong raft]

L shaped psu talk, like this 1 I have?

[burnt dawn]

no

[muted patio]

No

[potent portal]

Nvidia is still somewhat favored if VR is a consideration

[muted patio]

Power ports on a separate strip

[burnt dawn]

DWF has AMD freesync Premium

then again it can use both

it just wont tell your display is G sync ready lol

[muted patio]

I like the idea but not sure about the practicality

[potent portal]

Freesync/Gsync are interchangeable

[muted patio]

My old Dell says otherwise, Gsync only lol

I really should upgrade someday but 165 hz IPS Gsync is fine

[potent portal]

Old stuff can be an exclusion, before VRR was standardized

[muted patio]

Ya, it's nice that at least some things are standard now

More needs to go that way

[burnt dawn]

So why did dell price DW more than DWF

Other than muh Nvidia shill

[potent portal]

It came out first

[dusky hearth]

why did it stop getting updated anyways
at least from my perspective as someone who just uses it occasionally, they seemingly just randomly stopped like shortly after they switched to cultists

[muted patio]

I don't honestly know

[burnt dawn]

Ah.

Well then Im happy i didnt face same dilemna the first gen users did

Burn in issues and stuff.

[potent portal]

Actual burn in doesn't seem as bad as we initially thought, since a lot of the burn in turned out to be temporary image retention and the long term tests weren't allowing the pixel cleaning cycles to complete properly

https://youtu.be/rWuwUb-7vjo?si=kdN-7XtGw9QmO7G1
https://youtu.be/Fa7V_OOu6B8?si=aEhdtJElU6Emcrs0

[burnt bough]

guys i have 7800x3d but the GPU I can get 4070 ti s for 1000$ or I can add it 100$ and get the 7900xtx i play lots of FPS like overwatch idk what I should get?

[obsidian wigeon]

4070ti super is a lot slower than 7900xtx

how about 7900xt?

[burnt bough]

it around 900$ but i think am getting a good deal on the 7900xtx

[obsidian wigeon]

hm alright

in all cases i'd not buy the ti super

so it's either xt or xtx

unless you do blender, then nvidia can be worth it (tho 1k for a 4070ti super is crazy)

[burnt bough]

true

[vale epoch]

What abt the gre? How much is that going for? It is slower than the cards ur looking for but depending on the price could be great value

[burnt bough]

it's for 700$

[vale epoch]

Jesus christ

Wbt the 4070 super?

[burnt bough]

same 700$

[analog hearth]

I kinda wish I had gotton a 4080 Super

all my friends got a 4080 Super after I upgraded to a 4070 Super bruh

[vale epoch]

Ok wbt the 4080s? Most of ur options are overpriced but if its the same price as the xtx or range might be a good contender too

[burnt bough]

I see the 4080 s for around 1300$

[analog hearth]

Yeah that's about their normal price. Adjusting for inflation, they should be like $900. But you know, Nvidia

[mossy venture]

1300 isn't a normal price...?

[muted patio]

MSRP is about a grand.

Should be able to get one for about $1100

[mossy venture]

In the us, $960-1000 is a normal price

Yesterday one was $900

[muted patio]

I'm seeing a lot of them sold out

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BMgrxr/pny-verto-oc-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16-gb-video-card-vcg4080s16tfxpb1-o

950 rn

[burnt bough]

So the 7900 xtx is a good deal right?

[wild peak]

Does anyone have a suggestion for an $850 build

[muted patio]

For less than $1,000, this is a better buy IMO https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CS6XC69Y

UNless you need mass quantities of VRAM for design or some other function

[burnt bough]

I got this one from pny for 1200$

[mossy venture]

If 7900xtx is >50 cheaper than the 4080 super I would grab it

50 or less I'd take the 4080 super

[cyan ravine]

[sand plover]

Hey vintage I took people’s opinions and stuff for my build and I will be getting a 7900xtx since it’s cheaper

[burnt dawn]

Looks little weird without the cpu screen block on

[hexed scarab]

Heller never built a pc before was told to use pcpartpicker i made one and was hoping for critique and suggestions to what i have im not sure what to look for and what to avoid im trying to have a computer good for gaming but still be good for work https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JZsZh3

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fFw6Cd

Personally I wouldjt bother with a 4090 unless you need it for work

And at that point you'd likely want a cpu with better multi core performance, that being the 7950x3d

Storage is also very overkill

[sand plover]

If I want to game and do modeling and stuff should I get the 7950x3d or still get the 7800x3d

[obsidian wigeon]

modeling hits the gpu

[sand plover]

Oh it does?

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah lol

it's what's used to render models and stuff anyway

[sand plover]

So what would you need a 7950x3d for?

[obsidian wigeon]

multi core workloads

VMs, coding, compiling, decompiling

server, ect

[hexed scarab]

So different case, potentially different gpu and a better cpu is what im looking at so far

[sand plover]

I wanna learn coding

People always say get a 4090 if you need it for work but what work would need that gpu for

[obsidian wigeon]

Then you don't need all the cpu cores

And it's because when you earn money from your expenses, it becomes practically free

Paying itself with your work

[sand plover]

What difference would it make coding with the 7800x3d and the 7950 one

[sand plover]

Ohh ok

[obsidian wigeon]

There's a fairly big difference but I don't think you'd need more than 8 cores for a good while

[sand plover]

Alrighty

What if in the future I make a second pc for like coding/working what would that need?

Like a job because right now this is more for games.

[mossy venture]

Basically I cut $800 off the list without losing performance and getting better reliability (and better performance in some places)

[vague oracle]

Professional work where saving a few seconds would net you profits

In your case completely unnecessary

[mossy venture]

Blender, 3d modeling, ai, uhhh

Cad

Coding is cpu and ram focused

[vague oracle]

I use mine mostly for CAD and Rendering, but it’s also used in training AI models and similar things to that

[mossy venture]

Music production is ram and single core performance focused (don't quote me on that)

[vague oracle]

Pretty much

Multicore sometimes help with music production when a lot of plugins are being used but yeah it’s mostly just single core and ram

[mossy venture]

Oh virtual machines, you def want a good multi core cpu with plenty of ram, and depending in what you're doing a good gpu

[crimson zinc]

Quote me on this

Idk what uses what, probably somethin i dunno

[vague oracle]

That’s what it’s called lol, machine learning

[sand plover]

I may do those and try to learn how to make music

[vague oracle]

Here’s the thing, you can do those as a hobby and even semi professionally with worse GPUs than a 4090 to the exact same effect as having a 4090

[sand plover]

What would be better Nvidia or AMD?

[vague oracle]

I started out learning all of that on an RX480 and didn’t have any issues when I was learning

[vague oracle]

For blender specifically nVidia but it really depends on the program you’re using

[sand plover]

Should I get a 4080S or a 7900xtx

Let me make a list of exactly everything I wanna do

[vague oracle]

I’d say 4080S

Just because it seems like you don’t know what you’ll be doing exactly

NVidia will be more likely to be more effective for most beginner CAD programs

[sand plover]

Blender, 3d modeling, ai, coding, 5m, beamng, genshin impact, gta and I wanna make games and try and learn to make music

[vague oracle]

Then yeah 4080S

[sand plover]

I added something to the bottom

[vague oracle]

Music isn’t reliant on GPU whatsoever

[sand plover]

Oh ok

Help my cat is attacking a spider

[muted patio]

Huh. So much for "can't tell you what it's for because legal reasons"

[vague oracle]

LOL

That’s funny

[crimson relic]

Yo does anybody know if this is fine for the heat sink and cooling of my system? I got new ram and it is slightly taller and thus pushed the fan slightly above the heat sink

[cyan ravine]

If it wasn't fine then they wouldn't have designed them to do that

[stoic island]

As long as the case can still close

[crimson relic]

alright, thank you!

[sand plover]

Took so long of you typing for you to say that and thsts not even all

🙄

Also it’s called a joke

[stuck laurel]

i have a question

i have my case and ssd and ram and motherboard would it be okay to go ahead and install those into my motherboard and put it in my case

and i can just install cpu when ever it comes in ?

[sand plover]

Personally I’d like to do it all at once so I can see if everything works right away and the experience of building the whole thing at once

Is it true the 7900xtx is better at 4k then 4080s?

[dusky hearth]

Technically nothing wrong with doing so
Just make sure to keep the protective cover on the socket

Usually it's better to assemble pretty much everything on the mobo box first, then make sure it POSTs before putting it in the case

[stuck laurel]

I just not sure what screws to use

[dusky hearth]

The mobo screws? They look small ish with an integrated washer pretty much

Make sure that you have the standoffs installed in the right locations first

[cyan ravine]

If you prefer

[thorn mural]

so I have a z390 mobo and i want to upgrade the cpu, should i find a used lga1151 cpu or just get a new cpu/mobo?

i currently have a 9400f but to my understanding i have pretty limited upgrade options within lga1151, as well as having to deal with extra heat output from higher tdp

[stuck laurel]

Which are wich

[mossy venture]

I would upgrade cpu mobo and ram

[dusky hearth]

Seems like it's the left most and right most bags? I can barely see from the glare

Grab a tray or 2 and take out the screws
Middle bottom screws are for fans, top middle seems to be for HDDs/SSDs

I think PSU and MOBO screws are mixed in the left bag

I assume standoffs were pre-installed potentially

[stuck laurel]

let me get my case out and see

[sand plover]

Guys what do you think ^^

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6qkXKX

Can someone help me fill in the ram and PSU with something decent? But not too expensive.

I wanna maximize efficiency

I had mid die so I’m just gonna ask for some assistance

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ljp2Xk

I don't like the case but your choice

[stuck laurel]

Which are my motherboard screws

[analog hearth]

the ones for the motherboard, of course

[stuck laurel]

Which ones

Are they

😭

[analog hearth]

the ones that go with the motherboard

bruh

that one

I'm pointing right at them

lol

Did you buy the parts without watching a tutorial first?

[stuck laurel]

Yes

[potent portal]

The ones on the left since they're paired with the motherboard standoffs

[analog hearth]

this guy

[stuck laurel]

These right ?

[analog hearth]

no

keep sending photos. I'll quiz you

[stuck laurel]

These ?

[analog hearth]

no

[analog hearth]

yes

[stuck laurel]

Ok

[potent portal]

In that video, the section on the left has them.
These go under the motherboard, screwed into the case. The other screws then screw into these.

[stuck laurel]

My case has those rivet built on it

[stuck laurel]

These right

[potent portal]

Many cases will have at least one that acts to hold the motherboard in place while you screw in the others.

[analog hearth]

some (a lot of) cases have the standoffs built in

[jagged ember]

or they are already pre-screwed in

[potent portal]

Also, pro tip, don't tighten screws all the way in until you have all the screws in place.

[potent portal]

This is likely since there's only a few extra standoffs in the bin

[vague oracle]

Not for what you want to do with it

[sand plover]

But is the 7900xtx better at 4k then the 4080s

[muted patio]

https://tenor.com/view/whitesnake-rock-here-i-go-again-on-my-own-loner-gif-19764781

[analog hearth]

Kinda wish I was old enough to hear this gif

[muted patio]

I gotchoo boo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyF8RHM1OCg

[jagged ember]

Now you can

[dusky hearth]

I'm not old enough but still can because this is my music taste lmao

[vague oracle]

That don’t mean 💩, there are too many variables to make a blanket statement like that

[analog hearth]

Thanks for the support guys

[burnt dawn]

Just uhh look up gpu insert name 1 vs gpu insert name 2 on YouTube benchmarks and make your decision from there.

[vague oracle]

Istg

[stoic island]

can look at GN's review, can look at tom's hardware, can look at hub, can look at TPU, etc

[sand plover]

I was looking at a benchmark and it said the 7900xtx was better at 4k

[muted patio]

Or listen to the people here that have already answered questions, that's a fantastic option as well

[vague oracle]

Not in 5M or anything else you want to do

Sure it can be better at 4K in some programs but not in blender, 5M, or the rest of the things you listed

[sand plover]

So 4080s is better for 4k in 5m

[potent portal]

If all you look at is pure rasterization performance across a wide array of games then yes the XTX is better, but the 4080 has other features and better compatibility that makes it still worth considering.

[stoic island]

I don't know the context but if blender is a requirement, the XTX won't be able to keep up

[cursive wharf]

Maybe

[potent portal]

I haven't checked benchmarks using that new cuda converter so idk there

[vague oracle]

.

Generally programs where NVidia comes out on top

[potent portal]

AI in particular NV comes out very far ahead currently

[muted patio]

nVidia wins in just about everything outside of gaming

[cursive wharf]

Blender 4.2 had some new thing that is apparently competitive to Optix for rendering. There is also ZLUDA and SCALE. Also, Blender has a lot of stuff besides rendering.

[vague oracle]

CAD and 3d modeling it’s a big toss up depending on the program but NVidia is the safer bet since most beginner CAD programs favor NVidia

doubt someone learning CAD will be using Catia, NX or any other professional softwares

[cursive wharf]

Just saying "blender" doesn't actually help for AMD/Nvidia GPU cuz there are still too many factors.

[dusky hearth]

I'm gonna use blender to make a blender to blend stuff to make a blend file of blended blends of smoothies

[vague oracle]

I feel like when someone says they want to learn blender it’s mostly on how to model/animate/render which doesn’t NVidia shine for that?

[potent portal]

So it'll be a Blender blender blender blender?

[dusky hearth]

Blended blender blend blender blender

[vague oracle]

I should blend myself

[dusky hearth]

Real

[cursive wharf]

3d modeling is also very all over the place cuz there are so many types of it. Vector based stuff is usually CAD for real life things, and CAD programs are kinda random. Non-vector based stuff tends to not care (Blender, Maya, etc).

[stoic island]

Looking at some benchmarks, it looks like zluda does help but it doesn't let xtx catch up

[cursive wharf]

I'd be more looking at SCALE or new 4.2 thing that I can't remember the name of.

OpenSomething

[stoic island]

I'm not too familiar with any of this but I'm just looking around for some numbers for reference

[cursive wharf]

To be clear tho, I don't know the answers, just the variables (for rendering)

[stoic island]

ZLUDA improves the xtx's performance in classroom from 20.89s -> 18.44s, but still falling significantly behind 4080 at 14.5s

[potent portal]

Why would you use a transparent png for that

[stoic island]

dont blame me I'm copy pasting from a review page

:p

[dusky hearth]

It's all your fault

[stoic island]

actually I'll just do this

[potent portal]

Why would you they use a transparent png for that

[burnt dawn]

Light Discord Theme

[stoic island]

happy now? :p

[burnt dawn]

Should help.

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[cursive wharf]

So they can have PNG graph and not get complaints about people who have a custom pink background to their site.

[dusky hearth]

I give my money to discord (they are so poor they can't survive frfr) so I don't have light theme nor dark theme

[vague oracle]

Ow

[dusky hearth]

Nobody:
HDR 1000 monitors:

[vague oracle]

Out of curiosity, what’s that AMD ProRender thing for blender? I remember seeing something about it a while back

[vague oracle]

Me with my phone brightness on max by accident

[cursive wharf]

But anyways, my main concern isn't really this but rather that Blender has way more than just rendering. Nvidia only properly wins at rendering.

[dusky hearth]

💀

Also render times don't matter as much when like
You're not doing it as a job

[vague oracle]

Is it OpenCl?

[vague oracle]

Real

We already convinced them to not get a 4090 just to say they have a 4090

[cursive wharf]

Maybe? But I feel like that was before 4.2. Idk, I'll prolly look at it when PC exists again.

[vague oracle]

Yeah it was

Idk what was introduced in 4.2 ngl

[cursive wharf]

I swear I heard smth from 4.2 that was in the realms of being competitive with Optix

But I'm phone and I hate searching for stuff on phone. So don't feel like looking for it rn.

[burnt dawn]

💀

[vague oracle]

Only thing I can find in the patch notes is something about Open Image Denouise being added to AMD gpus but not sure if that’s performance related or something else

I haven’t used Blender in a hot minute

[jagged ember]

Remember to plug it in before you run it

[muted patio]

Those are just denoising functions

[jagged ember]

And probably chop up those fruits

[vague oracle]

That’s what I thought

Can’t find anything else with open in the name though

[vague oracle]

I just crank the blade to start it right?

[stoic island]

unfortunately it looks like I can't see any SCALE benchmarks

[jagged ember]

Yeah or you run the auto program

[vague oracle]

I like my NX with the KeyShot plugin for rendering, can’t be beaten

[cursive wharf]

Hm, I'll def have to look at it at some point. I could've very well also just heard bogus.

[manic cloak]

I don’t think that’s normal

Just booted up the laptop after restart

[formal girder]

So quick context to this open image denoise was added to GPU devices to render and AMD got their portion in 4.2 LTS it offered a more open alternative to users on any GPU to render and in some cases performance uplift is likely, but vram may take a hit, and compositor was added for GPU selection as well but that's for cycles rendering

[burnt bough]

has anyone got a tray CPU from Trendyol that was good?

[formal girder]

it gave the Intel Arc A770 upper hands in rendering times over 3090

[potent portal]

Possibly an audio driver misbehaving, or it's doing some sort of automatic conversion to surround sound. Update your audio drivers (all of them, you likely have more than one) and double check settings in the drivers and in Windows for any kind of "adaptive" option.

[potent portal]

Do you have a link? We can usually pick out a bad one from that

[burnt bough]

https://www.trendyol.com/en/amd/ryzen-7-7800x3d-4-20ghz-8-core-96mb-tray-p-777206245

[potent portal]

Nope, bad store, and they appear to run an active "task scam"

As well as refund scams

Trustpilot has only negative reviews and obviously fake reviews

[burnt bough]

what is Trustpilot?

[potent portal]

They rank the trustworthiness of websites based on several factors, from user reviews to the owner of the site and how long it's been operating.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/trendyol.com

If you look at 5 star reviews they're all clearly fake

[mossy venture]

"Trendyol International are my first class shopping, fast delevry, trusted, cash on delevry"

[potent portal]

I can forgive a few misspellings since they're from Qatar, but that reads like it was written by a robot

For reference though, Temu is famously bad and they have the same "trust" rating.

Also by using fake reviews I might note

[idle wedge]

Can someone help me with build that includes phanteks XT pro ultra atx case and that includes, an aio cooler with rgb memory, and 2 tb of storage around 1000?

[mossy venture]

Gaming?

Also black or white

[idle wedge]

black

and for gaming

[mossy venture]

Wifi or ethernet

[idle wedge]

ethernet

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hLyF7R

I would rather
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WX2kxH

[idle wedge]

how about a option with rgb ram, intel and nvidia

[dusky hearth]

why intel now

[idle wedge]

is it bad now

[dusky hearth]

intel currently is in hot water and is (mildly) dubious if they will still exist

teetering on the edge

[sacred obsidian]

amd master race

amd gpus are better bang for buck right now too

[jagged ember]

I love intel invest 700k right now

[dusky hearth]

also why nvidia? amd gpus currently tend to have better price to perf

real

[jagged ember]

Literally only reason for nvidia is broadcast and better RT

[idle wedge]

i see intekl/ nvidia like apple vs samsung

[jagged ember]

Bruh

[idle wedge]

samsung got better features and stuff for the price but i still go for apple for osme reason

[dusky hearth]

it still is going down

[jagged ember]

Brand loyalty will get you nowhere tbh

[covert vapor]

The class actions haven't even kicked in, that is just the recession worries

[dusky hearth]

how much is that 700k inheritence worth now in stocks lol

[jagged ember]

Just wastes money lol

[jagged ember]

Its down by how much now?

34%

[sacred obsidian]

i mean they shoulda stress tested their stuff better before sending it out into the world. Making that big of a goof as a huge tech company is bound to drop your stocks like crazy lol

[covert vapor]

Tbh most of it was mass layoffs and cancelling the dividend

[jagged ember]

456,610 down now

Give or take

[idle wedge]

ight

[dusky hearth]

☠️

i wonder why they decided to buy so early lmao

[mossy venture]

intel cpus have a major quality control issue

[jagged ember]

They love intel

And they read some Intel Glazer's reddit post and was like yeah great idea

[mossy venture]

and if you want nvidia, i would suggest an open box 3070 here for $270https://www.ebay.com/itm/387248528833

or 3080 ti for $470 https://www.ebay.com/itm/387248416303

[jagged ember]

"The future's looking bright" while everything is crashing around him

https://tenor.com/view/fml-annoyed-eye-roll-gif-27405852

[idle wedge]

is there a any good monitors thats 240 hz ips less than 200 or no

[mossy venture]

If you can go $30 over, this is a great 1440p 170hz IPS panel, one of the best
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k8GnTW/gigabyte-m27q-270-2560x1440-170-hz-monitor-m27q

And very worth the money

$160, meh panel
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XFkH99/koorui-27e1qa-270-2560-x-1440-144-hz-monitor-27e1qa

And $200, overall solid but below the m27q for sure
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vyqrxr/dell-g2724d-270-2560-x-1440-165-hz-monitor-g2724d

[idle wedge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q8grxr/msi-g2412f-240-1920-x-1080-180-hz-monitor-g2412f

would you say this is fine?

[mossy venture]

It's acceptable but 1440p is definitely worth the extra

[idle wedge]

is it that much of a difference from 1080p

[mossy venture]

Yes

[mossy venture]

What type of games do you play

[idle wedge]

its for my brother

[mossy venture]

Bc this could be a valid option
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D4P8XBD3

What type of games does he play

[idle wedge]

he wants to play valorant, cod,

and hold up

[mossy venture]

Then the 1080p one would be a better option than this one

[crimson zinc]

Average 12-38 year old male activities

[mossy venture]

$50 extra if possible is worth it tho

[idle wedge]

ok thanks'

[mossy venture]

Could even just not buy the aio and add it in later

[crimson zinc]

^^

[idle wedge]

is the msi monitor that bad

it looks decent

[mossy venture]

It's not that it's bad, it's just that 1440p is much sharper and cleaner looking

I went from a 1080p 24" VA 165hz panel to 1440p 27" 165hz ips and the difference was night and day

Looking at the 1080p one, colors looked so much less vibrant and muted (tbf that's probably the difference between ips and VA too,) and images looked much more defined

[idle wedge]

honestly i dont think he cares that much

[mossy venture]

It's your decision, your money and his computer

[little osprey]

im packing up the inside of my case, moving 3 states pc will be in the back of a uhual, probably some bumpy roads idk. what materials r safe for the inside

and what should i use for the outside

double box? more bubble wrap? what’s the deal :)

[sacred obsidian]

Idk but remove your gpu

it's the part I see break the most on those road trips

especially if it's a bigger heavier one

[mossy venture]

@austere condor you around?

Or @bitter mason

[sacred obsidian]

other than that, I usually just pack it, don't bother wrapping more than maybe a blanket around it, and it's been fine. But i haven't gone 3 states away lol

[little osprey]

what’s safe for the inside

i have packing paper and like bubble wrap and stuff but idk if it’s safe

[mossy venture]

Only experience I have transporting a pc was on the floor of my camry and I wedged stuffed animals between each side, between the front and back seat

[sacred obsidian]

you can get something like these https://www.amazon.com/Instapak-Quick-Packing-Shipping-Solution/dp/B01BU5VXVS?th=1

[mossy venture]

Did the same thing for the monitor lol. Both were fine (do not follow my example)

[sacred obsidian]

when I moved out to my current location my PC was just put in the back of the moving truck and the monitors were wedged inbetween the wall of the truck and a nightstand so it wouldn't move to much lol. No problem occured. (this is also not reccomended)

[idle wedge]

ight also i have thermal paste from like a year ago, can i still use that stuff on this build or it expired

[sacred obsidian]

lol i just used a tube of past i bought 5 years ago

[strong raft]

I had 5+ year old paste on my i5 3rd gen that was still liquid, just sayin.

[idle wedge]

ight

[mossy venture]

Ye also coolers come with some

Including the stock cooler

[sacred obsidian]

as long as it's not dry and not separating, you're fine to use it

[bitter mason]

you definitely wanna support the GPU

you may want to consider even removing it & packaging it separately since you're obviously not paying for shipping or anything like that

[little osprey]

i have a bunch of air bag things i can support the gpu with on both sides

if i can’t remove it in the morning

i leave tmrw lmaoo

should it be like, right

tight *

also i do have my anti sag bracket but idk if i should leave it in there for support

it’s like magnetic to the case and like rigid, vertical top to bottom

[bitter mason]

ah okay. definitely support it from below

[little osprey]

is leaving it gpu up a good idea in the truck

[bitter mason]

I'd think the worst case scenario is a big bump or something damages the PCIe x16 slot

[little osprey]

like laying it on the side, gpu facing up

[bitter mason]

the anti-sag bracket should reinforce it

oh okay then ya just do your best to prevent it from bouncing around I'd think

[little osprey]

okay igu.

thank you so much

i appreciate all the helps

[bitter mason]

& if it's tight in the van/truck

[little osprey]

yes, tons of stuff it’s not gonna be sliding around

[bitter mason]

maybe you can put a pillow, towel, or something of the like folded under it to kind of absorb the bouncing?

I wouldn't worry that much tho

[little osprey]

i was planning to wrap it in blankets inside the box, and then another box with more blankets towels

[bitter mason]

it's not like FedEx is going to throw it into the back of an airplane

[little osprey]

and rhen leaving it on a blanket inside the truck

tons of shock absorption i think???

[bitter mason]

it sounds good to me. if it's lying with the motherboard facing up, you shouldn't have to worry as much about the PCIe slot getting damaged compared to standing up like it would be on your desk

so ya maybe blankets, towels, pillows, etc. under it to prevent it from bouncing too much & the air bag things to prevent it from moving side to side

it can have a little play. I'd think it's safer to put the bags in slightly loose than if you stuffed as much as you could in there since it could potentially damage something else on the motherboard

& good luck! I know moving is a hassle lol

[little osprey]

okay yeah igu homie

[little osprey]

tysm man, uve been a big help

[stuck laurel]

When putting in my mother board in my LIAN li case can I just keep this up plate off ?

Like is that gap okay on top or no ?

[sacred obsidian]

It would be fine, yeah.

theres a lot of much bigger holes above it lol

[dusky hearth]

it's one of the larger gaps i've seen though

but as long as your mobo is in and all the mobo screws match up, then you should be fine

[stuck laurel]

Ok

[stuck laurel]

So this is okay ?

Cause i could not get it to fit with that plate

[dusky hearth]

huh

do itx boards have smaller io plates?

how is it that small

[sacred obsidian]

Wait yeah that is weird

what mobo is that and what case is that

[stuck laurel]

It’s tomahawk b650 motherboard and the case is lianli lancool 216

[stuck laurel]

?

[stuck laurel]

?

It’s a atx board

[sacred obsidian]

Does your IO shield fill in the whole slot?

[stuck laurel]

The metal plate that I took off the case filled in that gap

[stuck laurel]

That the piece I took off

[sacred obsidian]

The metal piece at the top?

[stuck laurel]

Because if i didn’t it wasn’t line up

[stuck laurel]

Yes

[sacred obsidian]

How do you mean it doesn't line up?

Can you put it back on after the fact?

[stuck laurel]

The screw holes

On the motherboard

They didn’t line up with that metal piece there

[flint sapphire]

[stuck laurel]

But since I took it off I was able to fit the mob in

[sacred obsidian]

ok but what I'm saying is now that you have the mobo in, right? Can you put that piece back on? Does it have adjustability to go back on?

[stuck laurel]

But there just that gap

[stuck laurel]

No

Cause it’s not just the tap

Tab

It’s a big rectangle piece

[sacred obsidian]

ok well It should all fit cause the IO is a standard size. However, if you're sure it doesn't fit, it's not neccesarily gonna hurt anything to leave it off.

[jagged ember]

thats kinda suppsoed to go in first before the mobo does

[sacred obsidian]

You might have a bit more dust build up but it's unlikely to cause to much more of an issue than what you'd already would deal with

[bitter mason]

np! as long as you don't go offroading or over speed bumps at 40mph, I'm confident you'll be just fine lol

[jagged ember]

and should not interfere at all with installation of screws

but yeah

[stuck laurel]

It did

[jagged ember]

it's fine without it

[stuck laurel]

It wouldn’t line up

At all

[jagged ember]

it's a flat piece of metal that pops into the back of the case lol

[stuck laurel]

That what it looks like

See

[stuck laurel]

See

[sacred obsidian]

Was the thick metal bit at the top or bottom?

cause in your case it should be at the top

[stuck laurel]

I tried both ways

[jagged ember]

what the devil is that

[stuck laurel]

To see if it would fit

[jagged ember]

why does the IO need a damn bracket lmao

[stuck laurel]

And still would

[stuck laurel]

Ask Lian li

😂

[jagged ember]

thats crazy lol

[stuck laurel]

🤣😭

I’m just paranoid

[sacred obsidian]

I think it's so you can adjust it up or down

[jagged ember]

doesn't fit the shield without it yeah?

[stuck laurel]

Because first time building

[sacred obsidian]

I'm wondring if it has 2 sets of screw holes

[stuck laurel]

For that piece ?

[jagged ember]

oh yeah no its probably just so you can shift the io shield up or down

[sacred obsidian]

no for the mobo itself

[stuck laurel]

Yes

And I did try those to

But the lower ones what fit

The higher holes

We’re not working they were to hight

I hope I didn’t mess up my mob for touching it with hand

[sacred obsidian]

so you may have to slightly push it up against that bracket in order to line up the holes. Not with hard force or anything, but just to push it into alignment. You could also try fliping the bracket if it's not perfectly flat. Or maybe try to put the bracket on the outside? I can't tell without seeing the case myself and I've never seen a lian li

[stuck laurel]

Like barley

[stuck laurel]

I was but it wasn’t working with little force

And I didn’t want to break anything

So I just took that plate off

😭

[sacred obsidian]

I mean like I said, it will be fine.

It should fit though, somehow

[jagged ember]

which lian li case is it

[stuck laurel]

It does cause I have it screwed in

Just has that gap

[sacred obsidian]

Can the bracket be mounted on the outside or only the inside?

[stuck laurel]

216 lan cool

[jagged ember]

ah

[stuck laurel]

Inside

But yea like I said I’m just very paranoid for it being my first build and everything and I just hope everything still works

[sacred obsidian]

It wont affect performance

[jagged ember]

Please share the sprint verification feedback when it is ready

oh oops

[sacred obsidian]

yes the verification code is 5243908543209 pls give me free minutes

[jagged ember]

looks like you need to shift all the standoffs to the "upward arrow position"

because it comes in it's water cooling mode by default

https://manualsdock.com/lian-li/lian-li-lancool-216-rgb-mid-tower-computer-case-user-manual/

[sacred obsidian]

yeh but it being in "water cooler mode" wouldn't really make a diff

[jagged ember]

apparently it does because he cant' get it to fit

[sacred obsidian]

But we need to know if he has a watercooler first too

[jagged ember]

oh huh

yeah i assumed it was air

[sacred obsidian]

I'm wondering if it's just user error, cause it is kinda a weird case

[dusky hearth]

The transformers movies would have been so much worse if they had to manually disassemble everything, shift a few screws, then reassemble to switch modes

[sacred obsidian]

lmao

[jagged ember]

real

[stuck laurel]

I have liquid cool

[jagged ember]

ah

hmm

[dusky hearth]

Idk why either mode would cause anything to not fit though

[stuck laurel]

Ik

😭😂

[jagged ember]

huh yeah not sure why then lol

standard position has the wide piece on the top

your motherboard isn't eatx is it

cause from what i can see it shouldn't get in the way at all

eh, would still work fine without the io shield tho

just maybe be a little more concious about plugging things in and out of the rear io lol

[stuck laurel]

This is mine

[jagged ember]

yeah that's atx

[stuck laurel]

Atleast it will have extra breathing room ig

😂😭

[jagged ember]

kekw

yeah the io shield is supposed to go in first

then you kinda like, place the motherboard down and align it with the io shield

[stuck laurel]

I did

But it would not fit

[jagged ember]

but then the screws aren't in the right place

[stuck laurel]

I try forcing

It little in

With the io

But wouldn’t

I give up

[jagged ember]

take the shield out and just slap it on the rear io

see if it fits at all lol

[stuck laurel]

I tried lol but to wide to go in rear

Imma just weld

It

On the back

[jagged ember]

so the shield goes on separately at least lol

[stuck laurel]

😂

[jagged ember]

you pop in the shield from the inside of the case and push it in until it clicks and latches

usually its from the inside

the nice looking side of the shield faces outwards from the case

[stuck laurel]

It takes screws for the shield

It don’t click in

[jagged ember]

the metal piece you can rotate 180 degrees that came with the case right

[stuck laurel]

Idk how many degrees it can go I just know you can unscrew it

Then turn it upside down

😂

[jagged ember]

but it's the thing that came with the case

and not the motherboard right?

[stuck laurel]

Yes

[jagged ember]

cause that's not the io shield

[stuck laurel]

Case

Oh

[jagged ember]

that's the bracket for the io shield

[stuck laurel]

😭

[jagged ember]

so yeah install it with the thick side on the top again and screw it in

[stuck laurel]

But it’s screwed in perfect now without the place and that where it was at first on top and it would not fit

And watch vids they all used smaller boards

That allowed it to stay on top

Imma bout to just leave it how it is and pay someone to do it

Cause I’m stressing over this lol

[jagged ember]

oooh

the mobo comes with the shield preinstalled

[stuck laurel]

Yes

[jagged ember]

yeah you just kinda need to push that shield into the bracket until it fits

[stuck laurel]

Like I said lol imma just pay someone to do it so I don’t break anything

Wouldn’t suprise me if i already did break something

😭

[jagged ember]

nah

highly doubt it

i'd say its just the fact that you didn't push the io shield into the bracket until it clicks

you could just try attaching the bracket to the shield itself and then put the mobo in

and screw in the bracket that way

[manic cloak]

Is there any way I can do this by like an explanation or video?

Cause I’m not at his laptop atm and he’s having a hard time trying to find everything, audio keeps cutting in and out

[analog hearth]

Nah not the laptop audio

Laptop audio is always garbage. Always for no reason too. Just is

[potent portal]

What is the exact model of the laptop? Including any extension, like "15-fd1000 RCTO".
I'll dig up the drivers you need and then all they need to do is download and install, or reinstall if they're up to date.

[manic cloak]

Like bluetooth, sorry I didn't say exactly what was happening

not the audio from speakers

He just wasn't getting any audio randomly

[analog hearth]

Bro I’m not giving tech help for an issue like that

Don't have that kind of patience lol

[manic cloak]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/678661/hp-victus-15-fb2000nr-156-gaming-laptop-computer-mica-silver

exact model

[potent portal]

HP keeps a nice repository of drivers, and I'll double check with manufacturers too

Give me a few

[manic cloak]

I did notice HP does a few things differently, considering they installed and pinned a help desk/app to the hotbar

[potent portal]

That app is worse than useless

[manic cloak]

Ehh, it helped me turn off the Cap locks on and off pop up

otherwise that's the only use I found out of it 😭

[potent portal]

Win 11 right

[manic cloak]

Home yes

[potent portal]

23H2 or 24H2

[manic cloak]

24H2 but i'll double check

24H2

[potent portal]

What version is the bios on

Wow I knew that HP nerfed their website but I didn't realize it was THIS bad. I can't even find a spec sheet on their own website.

That should be the bluetooth driver, give that a shot
https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/closure/victus-by-hp-15.6-inch-gaming-laptop-15-fb2000/2101821639

[manic cloak]

He said he'll do it tomorrow, I don't know why he's putting all on himself but i'll make sure to reply to you here

Oh

I'll send that to him

He's probably doing it in the morning

Ty though

[potent portal]

I'm going to be totally honest here. These AMD Realtek wifi chipsets are HORRIBLE.

Dropping connections and taking extra time to connect to devices are par for the course.

But Realtek seems to be the only ones allowed to provide wifi/bluetooth for AMD computers by whatever exclusive agreement they made, even though they're known trash.

[sand plover]

Csgo

Can you play that at 4k?

[potent portal]

A potato can play that at 500 fps

[sand plover]

But not at 4k tho

[potent portal]

Correct, at 4k that same potato would be running at 150 fps instead

[sand plover]

So what would something like a 4080S do

[potent portal]

350-400 on max settings paired with a 7800X3D

[obsidian wigeon]

at the time of the discussion

240hz is the limit for 4k monitors

so getting that much fps just becomes pointless

240hz oled is 500hz on ips/tn

[potent portal]

If you're serious about playing CS2 then you wouldn't be playing at 4k anyway

[obsidian wigeon]

ya

[potent portal]

I can barely find any benchmarks of the 4080S at 4k in that game because NO ONE DOES THAT

[obsidian wigeon]

no nvidia gpu can display 240hz 4k anyway

at least anything available

[potent portal]

tbf neither can AMD, turned out the DP 2.0 ports were gimped

[obsidian wigeon]

oof

that lg oled is too ahead of its time

[upper condor]

So it’s true the XTX isn’t actually up to standard for DP 2.1?

For 4k240 at least

[potent portal]

54Gbps, not the 80 from the spec

[upper condor]

Dang I was hoping it wasn’t true

[obsidian wigeon]

that's

like 65% of the actual bandwidth

[potent portal]

Still more than 1.4a (32Gbps)

Which is what Nvidia in their infinite wisdom used

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

[potent portal]

Once we do have full bandwidth ports, 4k240 10bit (HDR) takes 72Gbps

[jagged ember]

jesus

[sand plover]

What’s the difference between the nzxt elite aio and the normal one?

[sand plover]

I’m cooked I’m getting the elite since it has a bigger display

[wild peak]

Does anyone have recommendations for an $850 gaming pc? I was thinking a 5 7600 and maybe a 6700XT? Are those alright?

[mossy venture]

You could grab this and just upgrade ram/storage
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155985526773?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Wait wrong link

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155782964814?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Oh wait that has a 1tb ssd

So just needs more ram

[mossy venture]

Custom build I'd say
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fCZzt7

[cursive wharf]

Gotta go super duper ultra wide, 3840 x 360

360 degree horz FOV

[little osprey]

Ik it's probably a stupid question but I don't see anywhere that I can plug this into. I'm tired and I've been working on this for some 4-6 hours into nighttime and about to stop for the night.

• Case: Core V71

• Motherboard: ASUS Z690 PG Velocita

[strong raft]

@little ospreyCha_Fan / sys_fan headers (part on mobo) for case fans. Cpu_fan is 1 of the 3 above ram slots and usually be for the cpu cooler, for example.

[sand plover]

I looked for a cheaper case and I was wondering if this one was good. https://a.co/d/6oyu4u4

Never have heard of the company but it looks good

[dusky hearth]

oh yeah antec exists

i forgot about them

[dusky hearth]

idk how antec quality is nowadays, but they were one of the OG pc companies

actually, iirc antec is the oem for a bunch of psus on the market?

or im remembering the wrong company

[sand plover]

Well I used the case in a build using people's OPINIONS and its a lot cheaper too https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p4MMjH

[dusky hearth]

honestly all that i remember about antec is like

that they're older than corsair and such

[sand plover]

Wow

Also do you like that build its with the things that people recommended me

[dusky hearth]

i would like it more if it were cheaper

[sand plover]

What else could I change at that point to make it cheaper without losing a lot of stuff?

[dusky hearth]

idk

[jagged ember]

wow the 4000D airflow is cheaper than it

[sand plover]

Huh?

[dusky hearth]

case

[sand plover]

Oh

[sand plover]

The AIO I have picked can I change the screen without having the time cover my images?

The vid I saw with it didnt show how to remove the time stuff or if it was possible

[dusky hearth]

it's probably a togglable option

[sand plover]

I HOPE

Its a lot of money

[dusky hearth]

i dont use aios with screens

or aios for that matter

[sand plover]

How come?

[dusky hearth]

less reliable than air cooling

[sand plover]

THey are?

[jagged ember]

tubes also

[dusky hearth]

more points for failure

[jagged ember]

and yeah more failure points

and not even better than a dual tower

[sand plover]

How can they fail?

[dusky hearth]

pump

[jagged ember]

pump failure, leak

[sand plover]

Oh soooo Id have to buy a new one?

[dusky hearth]

also fluid just evaporates out over time through the tubes

[jagged ember]

yeah

mmhm

[sand plover]

.

[dusky hearth]

yeah, like once every 5-7 years ish

[jagged ember]

bubbles bad

[sand plover]

Oh thats not bad

in like 3-4 years once I get a good job I wanna get a better aio

[jagged ember]

compared to once every forever?

[dusky hearth]

compared to air coolers which pretty much will last more than a lifetime? it's pretty bad

[jagged ember]

for an air cooler

terrible yeah

[sand plover]

I get it

also

does a mini atx fit good in that case I picked or will it be to small?

[jagged ember]

matx motherboard?

you mean?

[dusky hearth]

matx always looks a bit goofy in an atx case

[obsidian wigeon]

it'll look kinda small

[jagged ember]

It'll look a bit small but

Honestly personally i do not care

[obsidian wigeon]

h9 is a terrible case anyway

[jagged ember]

one sec lemme see if i can pull it up

[sand plover]

Look at it though the mobo will cover the bottom anyways

[sand plover]

Cheaper case this tiem

[sand plover]

@obsidian wigeon

[obsidian wigeon]

an antec?

[sand plover]

Yea

[obsidian wigeon]

ah alright

[sand plover]

Is that good?

[dusky hearth]

maybe someday you'll understand

[sand plover]

The case looks smaller then like a full tower or something so I feel like the mini atx is good

[sand plover]

Is that yours?

[jagged ember]

it is

[burnt dawn]

REAL

[dusky hearth]

bro your pc is on fire

[sand plover]

Looks nice

[jagged ember]

literally lol

bro's burning alive

nah it's pretty cool in there

[sand plover]

I personally like dual chambered cases more though but thats for me

[jagged ember]

but thats what a matx motherboard looks like in an ATX case

[sand plover]

Mine doesnt have the psu spot at the bottom so its shorter and the fans will go there on the bottom so I think that it will look good with mini atx plus the reviews say its hard to put a atx and 3 fans on the bottom

[jagged ember]

wack

look up some actual video reviews too

the two glass panels having a gap is definitely gonna take points away from the aesthetics

[little osprey]

can someone help me plan a mini itx build 😩

[potent portal]

Budget, use case, and country?

[dusky hearth]

Return of the mack

[sand plover]

Oki

[sand plover]

:c

[sand plover]

THE CASE HAS RGB ON IT

IT COMES WITH 7 fans

[little osprey]

USA, no budget, mini ITX AM5 and going for a 4080 super or 4090 with liquid cooling. i have an idea of a case i want to use but not entirely sure if everything will fit lol

use case: to flex

[potent portal]

Black or white, RGB or no

[little osprey]

style: sleeper

no lights and black preferred

[potent portal]

Blackout, my favorite style too

[little osprey]

i wanna be awful at my games in 4k

don’t need the computer reminding me how much i spent on it by taunting me in the corner of my eyes with lights lmao

[dusky hearth]

Real

Blackout usually is cheaper as well

RGB is so overpriced

[celest horizon]

I feel personally attacked

[little osprey]

the problem is finding decent ddr5 that doesn’t have rgb. i found 16gb x 2 teamgroup t-force ddr5 6000 mhz cl30 but ive honestly never even heard of that brand

[celest horizon]

But I'd say asus gene, whatever x3d or 9700x that comes out first, best 4090+block you can find on the market.

[dusky hearth]

Me asf

[little osprey]

absolutely called me out

[celest horizon]

edit, nvm, this is nice, but white https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Create-Overclocking-7200MHz-PC5-57600/dp/B0C4NL1SQY

[mossy venture]

For an matx option on the cheaper end
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gjqrZJ

[dusky hearth]

Silicon Power also decent

[mossy venture]

Very small matx

[little osprey]

that sama case is pretty slick