building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

You could also go to a smaller case like im01 or im01 pro

[wary gale]

Is that true?

[cyan ravine]

Yes, at the normal price

The one I linked is not normal price tho

[wary gale]

What is the normal price?

[cyan ravine]

1200

[wary gale]

Oh that’s terrible

[cyan ravine]

Ya the one I linked is 890

[wary gale]

Xtx is 300 cheaper and barely worse

[wary gale]

Might buy that

[cyan ravine]

Ya

[wary gale]

Or stick or xtx

But this build won’t be done till 2 months from then

[cyan ravine]

Jonsplus z20 also comes to mind

[wary gale]

Who knows something better value might come out

[cyan ravine]

In 2 months? Yeah everything will be different

A lot of this list won't apply by then

[wary gale]

Sama a good brand?

[cyan ravine]

If "oem for lian li" is a good way to say it

Yes

[wary gale]

Lian li on steroids?

[cyan ravine]

They are responsible for like half of the chinese sff case market lmao

[wary gale]

I went on Jawa.gg and I searched a build and it was 200 more than if u just built it yourself

[cyan ravine]

Sama is big

[wary gale]

• Jawa has no rep so it would be better to build tbh

[cyan ravine]

The case I linked is a lian li 205m mesh, a micro center exclusive

[potent portal]

$200 isn't the worst I've seen as far as build time cost and markup

[cyan ravine]

But it's sold by sama, the oem

[wary gale]

They charge shipping as well but yea not the worst

[potent portal]

But yeah jawa was kinda sketch when I looked before

[cyan ravine]

Sama also made the lian li 185m

Galax rev. 05

Some of their cases are resold by tons of brands or altered slightly and sold as a clone

They're a good brand, I normally only really hear good things about them

[fleet pasture]

I’m going to be playing 5m and lspdfr daily

[crimson zinc]

Can someone make me a plain black build for like $1400?

[worn wave]

No

[crimson zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-mario-depressed-mario-walking-in-rain-mario-sad-depressed-gif-6943075901738095231

[crimson zinc]

@mossy venture would you kindly

[thorn mural]

whats a good mid tier cpu rn? is a 3700x good for mid tier 1080p/1440p gaming?

[cyan ravine]

7500f

[thorn mural]

Bro that exists

[crimson zinc]

Or @cyan ravine could you?

[cyan ravine]

Not atm no sorry

[crimson zinc]

Is okay

[thorn mural]

i cant find the 7500f anywhere

[cyan ravine]

Aliexpress is the only way to get them in the usa

[thorn mural]

I see

What about 3700x for like $90 used

[cyan ravine]

That's barely any more than a 7500f

Or you could do 5500 or 5600+ a520m tuf wifi ii

3700x works there too

But all 3 of those are pushing it for 1440p nowadays

[thorn mural]

Okay im fine with 1080p im just gonna be using 24 inch most likely

[potent portal]

I always forget that it's not this you're talking about https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/97123/intel-core-i57500-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-80-ghz/specifications.html

[thorn mural]

yeah thats what i thought of at first

[potent portal]

Why can't we have more original names

[thorn mural]

i thought the f for sure indicated intel

[potent portal]

AND NOT FREAKING CORE ULTRA BS

[potent portal]

AMD stole it

[thorn mural]

how does one go about buying an authentic 7500f on aliexpress 💀

[potent portal]

Reviews help

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805685953966.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tshJ9c

@potent portal look decent?

[mossy venture]

At work

That's ok, can fit 7900 gre in for sure tho

[thorn mural]

any gpu launches coming up this year?

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-creasing-forehead-the-office-office-absolutely-gif-11888908

5080 and 5090 are expected to paper launch in Q4

[thorn mural]

so the usual release schedule

"Q4"

[potent portal]

Most of the chips are going to AI products, so until AI demand goes down there won't be many high end cards to go around.

[thorn mural]

Im debating just getting the rest of the hardware now and waiting to get a gpu cause i still need a new desktop for school

• i have a 560 i can throw in there while I wait

[potent portal]

Honestly I'd just get what's available for GPUs now

What I've heard about next gen is underwhelming from Nvidia, haven't heard much about AMD tho

[thorn mural]

what should I roll with for 1080p? I had a 6600 during covid but the drivers were really buggy

[potent portal]

What was buggy exactly

They fixed the clean install issues

[thorn mural]

I was getting artifacts in games and sometimes everything would have a green tint to it (performed multiple clean installs of windows + ran DDU)

[potent portal]

Sounds more like a bad GPU than bad drivers

[thorn mural]

That could be true, which is why I'm not 100% opposed to it but hopefully theres better options for 1080p 3 years later

[potent portal]

A memory chip specifically

7700 XT is good

$380

[thorn mural]

Got any suggestions for $250-300? I saw the 7600xt was about $300

[potent portal]

It's just a 7600 with more memory

[thorn mural]

Thank you, was just looking up the difference 😅

[elfin flame]

I thought they weren't doing any other SKU but 5090?

Maybe I misheard something

[potent portal]

5080 rumors are plentiful

Hard to tell who's right

It would make sense though since they are doing 2 AI SKUs

[elfin flame]

Watch them surprise you with 4090 ti 😍

For some arbitrary reason

[cyan ravine]

Hard ti believe they'd do that now

[elfin flame]

I see what you did there

[cyan ravine]

See what

I didn't do ti

[elfin flame]

:(

[cyan ravine]

[elfin flame]

Looking forward to battlemage.. even if it's not looking good rn

[cyan ravine]

Fr

Give me competition

[thorn mural]

Wait what rommy is back

[elfin flame]

Shortly

[wild peak]

I tried to use the 1T drive, BIOS doesn’t recognize it as a bootable drive so idk what to do

[cyan ravine]

So are you launching from bios on the drive

What are you using to make the installer

[wild peak]

My old computer

[cyan ravine]

Ye what program tho

[wild peak]

Just loading the installation media onto the drive and then plugging it into my new one

[wild peak]

Wdym

Sorry I’m new to this

[cyan ravine]

What is the program you're using to make the windows 11 happen on the usb

There's multiple methods to do this

[potent portal]

Just copying files to the USB won't do anything

You need a program to extract it and create boot files

[wild peak]

Just going to the windows website and clicking download the installation media

[cyan ravine]

Ok so the windows tool

[wild peak]

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

It should work

[wild peak]

I saw it in a yt video so I did it

[cyan ravine]

How are you accessing the usb to install on the new pc

[potent portal]

Did you run the program or just copy it

[wild peak]

Omg I forgot to run it…

I’m so special

Im going to try that now

[cyan ravine]

Haha

[wild peak]

I’ll reinstall windows onto the new computer

[potent portal]

You'd be amazed how many times this has happened lol

[wild peak]

And hopefully that’ll fix it

[cyan ravine]

See this is why he's a techie yo

[wild peak]

I ran it the first time I did this before it stopped working, but I forgot the second time

[cyan ravine]

Got that 3rd level of thinking

[wild peak]

Ok lets try this again, I’ll update you guys if reinstalling windows fixes the issue

Hopefully it does and I don’t have to go through this headache anymore

Still have no clue why installing razer synapse broke my windows

[potent portal]

My favorite is when I ask this question and they come back 20 minutes later, "it's working now"

[cyan ravine]

Does the most insane things sometimes

It's usually not bad

But I would try to not use it much or uninstall when done if you can

[wild peak]

Had it on my old computer for a year and not one single issue or complaint

The second I install on my new computer, everything breaks

[cyan ravine]

It be like that sometimes

[potent portal]

The TPM looked at it funny

It decided to nope out

[wild peak]

If this doesn’t work though idk what to do

I have hope

[cyan ravine]

Windows can be really strange

I've had installs nuked by Bluetooth drivers and audio drivers

Realtek is incredibly proficient at this

[wild peak]

Does it work again when you reinstall windows?

[cyan ravine]

Usually

[wild peak]

What happens if it doesn’t

[cyan ravine]

The normal situation is it works yes

[potent portal]

Realtek Bluetooth especially yes. I've had to run the installer 6 times before it showed a BT device.

[wild peak]

How many computers do you guys think you’ve built

[potent portal]

Oh and I've had an ethernet driver downloaded from windows update decide I wasn't going to be getting any more data for a while

[cyan ravine]

Define this

Does this include the same pc

Or unique pc's

[wild peak]

Same pc counts but only if you replaced most of the parts

[potent portal]

I'm on the PC of Theseus at this point. I still have my original 1TB HDD from the prebuilt I traded a buddy for my PS3 in college.

[cyan ravine]

I have a pc of theseus too

Hmmmm

I've counted more than my fingers so far

Just on my own pc's

[wild peak]

Do you build them for other people too?

[potent portal]

Ok so counting platform changes and case swaps, I think I'm in the hundreds.
Part of my original job where I'm at now was building workstations for everyone.

[wild peak]

Wow

And here I am

Can’t even finish one

[potent portal]

That was 80 of the same PC built over and over but still

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[potent portal]

I was just a temp at that point but I did a good job so they offered part time work

Now I'm the one that decides if we need to hire a temp

(spoiler, the answer is usually no)

[wild peak]

How did you get into computers

[cyan ravine]

Esports

[potent portal]

Funny story for me. When I was in 5th grade one of the older students came into all the classes and ran disk defragmenter on all the PCs. This was Windows XP so it had a nice visual of the blocks moving around. I got curious what was going on, asked a few questions about it, and here I am.

[wild peak]

Wow

So if, for example, you were absent that day, you wouldn’t have ever gotten into computers

[potent portal]

By the time I was 12 I was already swapping parts from my hand-me-down Windows 98 PC, including the CPU

[wild peak]

Crazy how life works out

[potent portal]

Yeah crazy how serendipity works

[wild peak]

Ok I got the flash ready, fingers crossed

BIOS recognizes it as a bootable drive, that’s a good sign

OMG I THINK IT WORKED

[potent portal]

I wish I'd kept that PC. I hated it so much because BIOS was trash at the time and couldn't auto detect certain size HDDs (it would have a seizure if it saw a modern 1TB drive, it was happy with 40GB) but dang I kinda wish I could play some of those old games without PCem.

[wild peak]

MY COMPUTER IS SAVED

[buoyant birch]

any suggestions for a cpu that is the fastest at compiling? (mainly c++). Thanks

[wild peak]

Wait can’t jinx it

My computer might be saved

[obsidian wigeon]

atm i'd say 5950x

uh

[potent portal]

Compiling C++ can use lots of threads if you enable it, so the 7950X will be the best at that.

[obsidian wigeon]

7950x

[buoyant birch]

ok thanks

[obsidian wigeon]

14900k loses in multi thanks to the new fix to some cpus dying

[wild peak]

Compiling on a low thread count cpu is an absolute nightmare

[potent portal]

Yeah I'd hate for you to get a 14900K only for it to crash at stock settings, then you update the bios to fix it and the performance is horrible

[buoyant birch]

sounds good thanks

[obsidian wigeon]

No difference in gaming but once you use all the cores

Yeah

[wild peak]

The joy im getting from seeing this screen

[obsidian wigeon]

I wanna be techie but I got no 3rd level thinking lol

I'm a little slow

But I try

[potent portal]

There's a level of intuition that lets you fix things quickly. As long as you get it fixed eventually, even if you have to google every step, you'd be there in no time.

[cyan ravine]

Just evolve brain ez

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

I mean I learn from both googling, asking people and experience

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-problems-chapelle-modern-solutions-gif-15497728

[obsidian wigeon]

I'm slow but I eventually get there

And there's far too many times where I wiped all drives I have to install windows

My monkey brain went "bigger drive must be boot, must wipe"

[potent portal]

And learning from that experience will lead you to guide others by saying "unplug all drives except the one you're installing to"

[obsidian wigeon]

Then once I realize it

It was too late

I had wiped the big games/tools/drivers drive

[little osprey]

Still trying to figure out why very rarely I get no video when starting up my pc. Super rare, open the pc no video. Turn off the pc. Remove the Power cable and the Display Port and it comes back normally.

4060 ti, Ryzen 7 7800 x3d, 850 Watt be quiet! A+ PSU, DDR5, B650+ Pro Mini ATX

No loose cables, wattage is good, pc not overheating. Both CPU and GPU 30 C, no issue with power, PC starts normally fans spin, no video. No loose cables, parts are very new, pc built a couple months ago

Once every month occurrence

[obsidian wigeon]

Consider rebuilding everything

It might be a short

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VrcrgB

[little osprey]

What is shorting?

What part?

I have these not plugged in only but I don’t think it matters since I never give them power

[little osprey]

Also why is it once every month

Doesn’t make sense

[obsidian wigeon]

It doesn't make sense sometimes

But things happen so uh, might wanna try that

[little osprey]

I ain’t going to do all that, took me a couple days just to make sure all wiring is correct and make sure it’s clean

I think it’s just the GPU

[obsidian wigeon]

Mayhaps

[little osprey]

No other part affects video output really

Also GPU has been having bits of issues

[obsidian wigeon]

Might be the gpu itself then

[little osprey]

When you load up a game, it freezes for a couple seconds, fans sometimes don’t spin at all,

And it’s bottlenecked

[little osprey]

Thanks for the info

[wild peak]

Officially got into windows, thank you to everyone that helped me

[fleet pasture]

Hi can you help me with something?

[obsidian wigeon]

what is it

[fleet pasture]

How can you tell if something is a scam on eBay like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/375420395428

[obsidian wigeon]

That's a bid

But if you're not sure

Look up the pics on google

See if anything matches up

[fleet pasture]

Oki

[obsidian wigeon]

But generally I'd avoid sellers with zero ratings

[fleet pasture]

Alright also I looked and they are original pictures

[obsidian wigeon]

The bids are probably gonna go too high to be worth the hassle tho

Like matching or going above the price of new ones off amazon, etc

[jagged ember]

You will probably never have a bid that's worth it

[obsidian wigeon]

That's ebay bids for ya

Sellers love bids cuz of that

[jagged ember]

Amazon does bids now?

[obsidian wigeon]

i mean ebay

lol

[jagged ember]

Oh no yeah

You right lol

[obsidian wigeon]

My brain made me type amazon

[jagged ember]

Besos on the brain

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

[jagged ember]

Jeffery 🅱️esos

[fleet pasture]

I think I’d go 330 at most for the bid

There are 2 people fighting for top bid lol

[final remnant]

Hello everyone!! I was wondering if someone could help me, I’m building a pc but I’m having issues. After I got all the hardware connected it wouldn’t start, I don’t see any lights on on the MB or any led fan nor the memory cards. The only thing that lit up was the power button on the case. Please could someone help? I’ve changed the psu just in case and still nothing…

[winter burrow]

Did you connect your mb to the power supply or follow tutoriel to connect your hardware on mb ??

[final remnant]

Yes I did

[winter burrow]

Is your cpu compatible with mb ?

[final remnant]

Yes i7

MB is MSI b760 Gaming plus WiFi

[winter burrow]

Look on msi website on mb for sound

Is it making some noise. You can find your information on it.

[final remnant]

No it’s not doing anything at all. No light, no sound nothing

[winter burrow]

What is the capacity of your power supply ??

Maybe it’s not enough

Or too much

[final remnant]

First I had 500 and then I got 650 still nothing

[crimson zinc]

@cursive wharf might be able to help

[obsidian wigeon]

I can help, but I need pics

[obsidian wigeon]

You might have to wait for like 5 mins

Mem training on ddr5 can take some time

@final remnant Sorry for the double ping. What's your cpu model?

700 series boards came out during 13th gen

If you bought a 14th gen, like 14700k

Then you'll need to update bios

Either by booting with an lga 1700 cpu from last generation

Or using flashback if the board supports it

[final remnant]

i7-12700KF

How can I upload the pictures? It won’t let me

[obsidian wigeon]

Hm

[obsidian wigeon]

DM a pic of your pc to me

And what it's doing

[fleet pasture]

Looks nice

[obsidian wigeon]

mega expensive as well

[fleet pasture]

Yea :c

[dim reef]

getting pc parts this week🙂

[fleet pasture]

That’s cool I have to get mine little by little

[dim reef]

like buying each part over time?

[fleet pasture]

I’m going to try getting a few things each week it’s just I don’t have a lot of money but a lot of sales are happening

[dim reef]

what have u gotten so far

[fleet pasture]

Umm

We don’t talk about it but nothing

After school I was going to buy a cpu

[pseudo pollen]

really just depends on what your plan is

if you want to upgrade the entire pc little by little then i don't think it's all that good of an idea

[wary gale]

Chat anyone know how to fix it

[potent portal]

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[wary gale]

Didn’t work

[potent portal]

You can try reducing the memory clock speed on the GPU using MSI Afterburner, and then refresh the desktop. If that works then you likely have a bad memory chip on the GPU.

Is it similar for any wallpaper you set?

[wary gale]

It doesn’t matter which one

Even on reset it does that

[potent portal]

Possibly a bad GPU then, you can try the underclock

Maybe -500

[wary gale]

Alr

[vague idol]

I've tried each ram stick neither are the problem

[mossy venture]

What gpu is it and how old is it

Also try a different display cable

And try a diff port on the gpu and or monitor

[wary gale]

1660 to

Ti

[wary gale]

About 2 years old

[mossy venture]

That is not true

Unless pre built

[wary gale]

That’s how old the laptop is

[mossy venture]

ahhh

laptop

i would check temps, my guess is continuous high temps damaged gpu

[wary gale]

It is always high

Is there a way to fixed a damaged gpu?

[mossy venture]

how high is high

[wary gale]

It’s pretty bad

60-80 Celsius

100 Celsius peak

[mossy venture]

80 is perfectly fine

100 is not

[wild peak]

Every time my computer restarts, windows breaks again and I have to reinstall it, so basically everything is still broken

[mossy venture]

what is happening when it restarts

what ram, cpu, mobo, psu, and gpu do you have

[wild peak]

I manually restart it

It’s

T force delta rgb DDR5 32gb 6000MHz

5 7600X

B650 Aorus elite AX ice

Seasonic focus GX 750 80+ gold

Asus RTX 4070 super

That’s all

[mossy venture]

try disabling xmp

well, expo

[wild peak]

Ok

I’ll try

Still says inaccessible boot drive

[mossy venture]

what ssd

[dim reef]

yo

does newegg automatically place the rebate for u in your order or do you have to do that yourself

[stoic island]

mail in rebates you have to do on your own

[wild peak]

Team group MP44L 1T

[dim reef]

how

[cyan ravine]

Something is faulty

Ram, cpu, ssd

One of 3

[wild peak]

How do I figure out which one is faulty

[cyan ravine]

Download occt if you can on it and run a ram test

Then a cpu small test

The ui is intuitive enough that you shouldn't need more specifics

[wild peak]

So I need to install windows again…

[cyan ravine]

The more extreme the better, set the ram high as it can go but not too high

Yes

[wild peak]

For like the fourth time

[cyan ravine]

I mean

Your alternative is a 3 hour test instead of a 30 minute task

And then testing the cpu is still involving installing windows after that anyway

[wild peak]

It’ll take a while to install windows but ok I’ll start now

[cyan ravine]

There's no way around this

I'm not going to be around today but once you're in occt it should be simple enough

[wild peak]

So I just search for occt in a browser and install it

[cyan ravine]

you get at least one error on the associated test, that part is buggered

mhm

[wild peak]

So I send it back and get a replacement?

[cyan ravine]

Mhm

[wild peak]

And if there’s no error with the test, it’s the ssd that’s the issue?

[cyan ravine]

No error with either? With the stability issues you're having? Yes, I would suspect the ssd

You can check the health of it with crystaldiskinfo (any version)

If it's blue it's goo

If it's red it's dead

[wild peak]

I have a feeling it’s the ram if that’s an option

[cyan ravine]

4th possibility would be maybe the cpu isn't sitting right in the socket, or the motherboard/psu has a serious issue

But you would notice things get worse and worse with psu usually

As parts become more and more inoperable

[mossy venture]

you make sure ram is fully seated?

[wild peak]

Well I’ve had this computer for two days

[wild peak]

Yes

So here’s the deal

[cyan ravine]

Long enough time to notice it get worse

[wild peak]

BIOS didn’t recognize the ram on two occasions

So

I turned the pc off and reseated the ram

[cyan ravine]

That is indeed sus

[wild peak]

And it worked

[wild peak]

And

[cyan ravine]

And it happened again?

[wild peak]

Yes it happened twice

[mossy venture]

you tried resetting cmos and updating bios at all?

[cyan ravine]

Ok yeah I'm sus of the ram too

Dying stick or dying slot

It's one of the two

[mossy venture]

or could be cpu too technichally

[cyan ravine]

Do the ram test, if it fails, swap the sticks around in the slots

[wild peak]

Sometimes when the computer turns on, the DRAM light on the mobo flickers for a sec

Ok got it

[mossy venture]

could even be paste in the socket stopping full contact

[cyan ravine]

Very very small chance but yes lol

My money is on a slot rn

Anyway good luck

[wild peak]

The slot or the stick

[wild peak]

Ok

I’m on the occt thing

For the cpu

Is normal load, variable ok?

And then the rest at auto

@cyan ravine

Or should I just do cpu + ram

At the same time

[limber oyster]

I have an amd Ryzen 3900x, Asus strix b550-i, silicon power 2x16GB 3600mhz ram. What am5 upgrade do y'all recommend?

Must be itx, have wifi, and 2 m.2 slots

[obsidian wigeon]

7900x3d

And that gigabyte itx board

ITX AX something

[mossy venture]

just gaming?

7800x3d, a620i lightning wifi or b650 lightning wifi, 2x16 6000c30

[dim reef]

is a gpu support bracket necessary for a 7900gre?

[wild peak]

No errors from cpu or ram

Testing the ssd now

Crystal disk info says the ssd is good

So what now

If those three are all fine

[cyan ravine]

Separate

[fleet pasture]

Woah what’s this?

[wild peak]

Oh I did them together, ok I’ll do them separate in a bit and hopefully I’ll get an error so I know what to fix

[cyan ravine]

Keep trying different ram slots

[wild peak]

It’s an ssd tester, I can’t control the background

[wild peak]

Even if there’s no error?

[cyan ravine]

Mhm

[fleet pasture]

I like it how does it test the ssd?

[wild peak]

Various metrics, basically just tells you if there’s an issue with it, and how well it’s running based on what it should be

[fleet pasture]

Oh ok it’s just I’m new to all this I don’t know anything basically

I bought my first computer part today

[wild peak]

It’s fine I’m new too

[wild peak]

I just finished my build a few days ago and there’s an issue with windows I’ve been trying to fix

[fleet pasture]

Oh hope you get it fixed

[wild peak]

Nice

[wild peak]

Thanks

I’m certainly trying

[fleet pasture]

Honestly I’m scared to set it up after building it

[wild peak]

It shouldn’t be an issue if your parts are good

[fleet pasture]

It’s not that

[wild peak]

But one of mine is screwed up probably

[fleet pasture]

It’s just I have no clue what to do I am going to be lost

[wild peak]

I just gotta figure out which

[wild peak]

I can help you

If you want

[fleet pasture]

:D

[wild peak]

It’s actually very simple

[fleet pasture]

It’s just I’m not going to be able to get a few other parts for a bit

[wild peak]

You just need an 8+ gb usb drive and another working computer/laptop

[fleet pasture]

I got that

[wild peak]

If you remember, when you get everything you can ping me and I’ll help you

[wild peak]

Then you’ll be fine

[fleet pasture]

Oki I will

[fleet pasture]

Back to the app you used it looks complicated

[dim reef]

^

[fleet pasture]

Not sure but I’m getting that gpu when I finish my computer

[wild peak]

Is it a Radeon card

[dim reef]

yes

[wild peak]

Shouldn’t need it but a support bracket is always nice for peace of mind

[dim reef]

gotchu

[potent portal]

Depends on the model too, a couple GRE models use the same cooler as the XTX

[cyan ravine]

And the integrated rigidity into the design

[cyan ravine]

I would say you're approaching the point it's worth considering with that card

[wary gale]

@cyan ravine

I’m getting a 7800 xt instead of a 7900 Xtx bc it’s way cheaper so I can make some stuff look aesthetic

Yk any good rgb cases with good airflow?

[dim reef]

i’ll probably buy it sometime later down the line then

also im getting the gigabyte gaming oc one

[crimson zinc]

G360a

[obsidian wigeon]

Currently?

Phanteks XT PRO ULTRA

[cyan ravine]

Sama ARGB-Q5 is a Lian Li 205M but sold by the original OEM

[wary gale]

Thoughts on nzxt h6 flow?

[cyan ravine]

Hard pass

[wary gale]

Damn what’s wrong with it

[cyan ravine]

There's always a better alternative to NZXT

[fleet pasture]

[wary gale]

I want a mid tower case

Know any good ones?

@cyan ravine

[wild peak]

I have an h6 I liked the aesthetic…

[wary gale]

Good temps?

Heard it rlly helps

[wild peak]

Not the best but still good

Don’t get it if you want pure temp performance

[wary gale]

What is a good one for that?

[wild peak]

One of the ones the others already mentioned

[cyan ravine]

Phanteks XT pro

Montech Sky Two

[wild peak]

You should only get an h6 flow if you want the aesthetic

[wild peak]

^^

[wary gale]

Alrighty

Thoughts on Msi aio cooler?

Heard it was budget and rlly good

[cyan ravine]

Terrible lol

They have blockage issues and MSI never fully addressed it

Thermalright aios >>>>>>>

Frozen edge is king

[wild peak]

True

[wary gale]

Damn

Didn’t know that

Made me dodge a bullet bro thx

How bout articic frozen III

[potent portal]

Liquid Freezer III? Good

[cyan ravine]

Good, but not thermalright good

Great for low noise operation

[wary gale]

Alrighty

[cyan ravine]

Raw perf Frozen edge is plain better

[potent portal]

Very good for AMD because offset mount

[cyan ravine]

They're comparable on AMD yes

[wary gale]

I’m on and

Amd

[potent portal]

LF2 gets you 4 degrees just switching between offset and non offset

[wary gale]

Would that mean it’s better for me or still thermalright

[potent portal]

About the same, arctic is a little quieter

[wary gale]

It’s rgb but honestly I don’t mind

[potent portal]

You don't have to plug it in

[wary gale]

Problem is tho they only have the 240 mm version

360 is idk where

It just says unavailable

[cyan ravine]

Frozen notte is comparable

[wary gale]

Discontinued or something

[cyan ravine]

but louder

not discontinued

[wary gale]

Don’t mind that

[cyan ravine]

Aqua Elite V3 also comparable

[wary gale]

@cyan ravine Ik I ask u this like 30x a day but w/l build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sXxqn6

Btw I hope yk your feedback is helping me learn more about pc builds

[cyan ravine]

Change board, change cpu

Don't need 360 aio for a 6 core

240 is fine, top mount it if you must have an aio

[wary gale]

Alr

Why change cpu?

Or were u saying cooler

Bc I think the gpu and cpu are a nasty combo rn

[cyan ravine]

if you must have tforce deltas get the cheapest version then crank the frequency manually, results are identical and it takes 10 seconds

[cyan ravine]

7600 = 7600X without the X

identical chip

[wary gale]

Alr

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v3qMN6

Should really have a single tower for this chip but if you want an aio, ok

[wary gale]

Why did u add xtx

It’s just xt

Btw is 7600 and 7600x same peforemence or barely different

@cyan ravine

[potent portal]

7600 is 100MHz lower out of the box but you can just enable PBO and poof, it's 100MHz above the 7600X

[wary gale]

Oh that’s cool

[potent portal]

Effectively no difference

[wary gale]

Save like 20$ for free

[potent portal]

7600 includes a cooler too that's actually good enough

[wary gale]

But adding an aio on top of that is fine right

[potent portal]

If you like the looks sure

[wary gale]

I do

I don’t have a expensive aio anyway

[potent portal]

It'll be dead quiet too with it being so overkill

[wary gale]

It’s 50$

[wary gale]

That’s good

My pc currently sounds like a jet in ww2

While it’s running some games

[cyan ravine]

It fit in the budget even with the changes so I figured you'd still want it

[cyan ravine]

It'll run under load at like 60-70C lol

[wary gale]

I mean it does fit don’t mind it but just curious George here

[cyan ravine]

It's overkill

[wary gale]

Somehow my cousins pc runs 19c with nothing open

Is that normal or what?

Bc my pc currently does not do that

[cyan ravine]

If you want to make it dead quiet, add a 5 pack of p12 max

[cyan ravine]

That's normal if you live in like 10C weather

[wary gale]

How much is that?

[cyan ravine]

$35

[wary gale]

W

Say less

[cyan ravine]

Will it fit with XTX

if not the pulse 7900 XT is solidly quiet

Boop

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ywvxH

Anyway ima dip in a bit

[wary gale]

Alr

But uh

Is Xtx and xt big difference

Or not rlly

[cyan ravine]

About 16%

[wary gale]

Bc it is like 200$ cheaper

[cyan ravine]

It's 1/6 of the die missing

[wary gale]

I mean hmm

How much vram it got 20?

[cyan ravine]

You could consider 7800x3d, that would be as big of an upgrade for almost the same

20 and 24

[wary gale]

Isn’t that overkill for the gpu tho

That’s why I downgraded

[cyan ravine]

No

Idk who told you that but cpu and gpu choices are purely relative

[wary gale]

Oh

[cyan ravine]

The typical gaming PC opts for high gpu utility and no graphic bottlenecks

But depending on the game, that can do a 180

Play FPS esports? You want a fast af cpu and the gpu is a meh 2nd choice

[wary gale]

I play fps games mostly yea

[cyan ravine]

Overall, having full GPU usage is preferred, and a 7600 and a 7800X3D both can achieve this

[wary gale]

Like Fortnite rainbow six siege call of duty etc

[cyan ravine]

Yeah

So in those situations, you want as high of a gpu utility as possible

[wary gale]

So a better gpu would be better or a better cpu

[cyan ravine]

The API doesn't call for the whole range of bandwidth from a GPU, so you end up cpu bound

So a better cpu in this situation would be even better than a nicer GPU

Say, 7800X3D and 7900XT, or 7800X3D and 7900 GRE, or even 7800XT

[potent portal]

The only accurate answer to this is... it depends

[cyan ravine]

A lot of fps gamers will also tell you about latency on top, so in these situations, they will debrief you on things like nvidia reflex, and intel's generally better 1% and 0.1% lows

[wary gale]

Yo it’s only 1580

That’s perfect for my budget

When I added the 7800/3d and lowered the gpu to 7900 xt

[cyan ravine]

There's a whole gamut of this stuff, and if you can fit it in budget, go for an oled display

[cyan ravine]

forgot the p12 fans

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fGsQbL

[wary gale]

I might

Still good

1612

[cyan ravine]

Oled screens are equal to like a whole 2 or 3 gpu upgrades

[wary gale]

Also the motherboard comes with a WiFi antenna right

Or is that not needed

[cyan ravine]

It's an enormous boost

it does

Oled gtg response is 0.03ms

[wary gale]

God damn

How much is an average oiled

[cyan ravine]

fast IPS with ulmb2 gets only to about 2ms

[wary gale]

Oled

[cyan ravine]

2ms vs 0.03ms, in terms of like fps?

is hundreds

it's a huge increase

[cyan ravine]

KTC has the 240hz 1440p oled on amazon for 630 after coupons

[wary gale]

Big difference

[wary gale]

Might sell my monitor I have rn

And get that instead

[cyan ravine]

a 240hz oled is equivalent to like any other display at 540hz+

[wary gale]

Mine costed 350

Sell it for like 250 maybe

Still in good condition

[cyan ravine]

Which one is it

[wary gale]

It’s a tuf gaming one

1 ms response time

[cyan ravine]

I'm gonna guess like

AQL1A

[wary gale]

240 hz can overclock to 280

[wary gale]

I have no idea

[cyan ravine]

Sounds familiar

[wary gale]

Adjustable stand

[cyan ravine]

is it 24" or 27"

[wary gale]

I gotta fix this laptop and sell it as well

[potent portal]

That's fake marketing times btw. It probably does that only on an unusable overdrive setting in one specific gray to gray transition.

[wary gale]

24

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w4mFf7/asus-tuf-gaming-vg259qm-245-1920x1080-280-hz-monitor-vg259qm

[wary gale]

Oh

[cyan ravine]

Yeah any of the gpus we're talking about are stupid overkill for this screen

[wary gale]

Oh it’s lower

[cyan ravine]

more than fine with a 7700XT or 6700XT

[potent portal]

OLED doesn't need overdrive settings, it's just naturally that fast. Worst transitions are like 0.4ms

[wary gale]

I can sell for 200 probably nothing wrong with it

[cyan ravine]

The oled I suggested would work beautifully tho with the GPU's were talking about tho

[wary gale]

I always keep it clean

[cyan ravine]

Anyway I really gotta go. I'm gonna post the link to the oled and jet

[wary gale]

Alr

Thanks for your help man

[cyan ravine]

https://www.amazon.com/KTC-OLED-Monitor-Built-DisplayPort1-4/dp/B0CRDRL92Z/

[wary gale]

@potent portal

Should I lower my cpu to get a oled monitor?

[potent portal]

That's up to you I'd say

[wary gale]

Not cpu

I meant gpu

It’s a 7800 Xtx atm

[potent portal]

It depends on what you're playing

[wary gale]

Fortnite

Siege

Cod

Games like that

[potent portal]

esports mostly then

[wary gale]

Yea

[potent portal]

Yeah OLED will be a game changer for those

[wary gale]

Every now and than I’ll play something else

[wary gale]

Like Felix said getting one will be like 3 gpu upgrades

Compared to the monitor I have now

[potent portal]

A bit of an exaggeration but yeah it can feel like that with the near instant latency

[wary gale]

Is it like ping latency or like delay latency?

[potent portal]

click to photon latency

[wary gale]

So your clicks register faster?

[potent portal]

No but you see them faster

The screen displays faster so you can react faster

It can feel like improved click speed because that's part of the total system latency, click to photon

Every component adds a little bit to that total

[wary gale]

Oh

What should I downgrade my gpu to

[potent portal]

If you're not afraid of a little simple overclocking you can do the 7900 GRE

Nothing fancy, just moving a slider

Otherwise if you don't want to mess with that, the 7900 XT

[wary gale]

I’ve never heard of gre

[potent portal]

It used to be China only but got a global launch recently

It's nearly as good as the 7900 XT, but the memory speed is reduced. Luckily it uses the same memory so you can just overclock it, so it matches the 7900 XT for cheaper.

[wary gale]

I mean it reduced the cost a little bit

But idk if it’s gonna help with the oled

Like it went from 1520 to 1460

Or are u just recommending the card in general

Like even if I don’t get oled

[potent portal]

Going from the XTX to the GRE? The GRE is nearly $400 cheaper

The GRE is also $160 cheaper than the XT

[wary gale]

I have the xt

Not Xtx

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QgcgXL/powercolor-fighter-oc-radeon-rx-7900-gre-16-gb-video-card-rx-7900-gre-16g-foc

$530 after coupon

[wary gale]

Found it

But uh including the monitor it makes the setup 2k

I mean if I sell my monitor

1.8

Not bad

If I don’t get oled for now should I still keep the gre or no

[potent portal]

You can get the GRE now and hold on to some of that money for a better sale on OLED

New models are coming soon, next month even, so prices should go down a bit more

[wary gale]

Actually I think I’m chilling cause I’m getting this build in 1 in a half or two months

So that’s good

[potent portal]

Perfect

[wary gale]

Than it will probably be 1.6

All together

Which is amazing

[potent portal]

When the time comes, pop back in here and we can update that list with the latest deals

[wary gale]

Alr

I wish I lived next to microcenter bro

They have so good deals

😭

[potent portal]

Some items ship but the best deals are always in store

I'm 12 hours away from one myself...

If you count traffic

[wild peak]

@cyan ravine I think I fixed the windows issue, it seems that after some research, the issue was the amd RAID drivers, I installed everything save those, restarted several times, and everything seems to be working fine

[wary gale]

Yea

@potent portal

I might get the xt instead of gre

Bc I watched a benchmark

And it’s 18 fps different

And it cost 130

So more value overall

[potent portal]

That's before the overclock I mentioned

[wary gale]

I mean yea but

What if u overclock the xt

[potent portal]

It's the same core and the same memory

They cut only like 1% of the cores from the GRE

Yeah 5376 stream processors vs 5120, less than 5%

[wary gale]

So what would the fps difference be

If u had to guess

[potent portal]

200 instead of 210 basically, comparing overclocked to overclocked

[wary gale]

Oh not bad

[potent portal]

Considering it's a sizeable price difference, yeah

[wary gale]

How about if I just went down to a 7800 xt

Would that be a big jump down or not really

In price and performance

[potent portal]

GRE in this chart is stock settings

So ignore it

[cyan ravine]

That was before the patch that fixed it iirc

[potent portal]

That too

The patch that "fixed" the overclocking

[wary gale]

Rainbow six siege chart thanks

[cyan ravine]

A lot of the GRE reviews are scuffed because they weren't working to the expected performance

[wary gale]

Dang 180 fps ultra settings my 2060 don’t even get that on medium

[cyan ravine]

These cards spent a year in China unpatched

[potent portal]

4k ultra at that

[cyan ravine]

AMD had no idea until after it went global

[wary gale]

God dang

[crimson zinc]

4090>>>>>>>

[wary gale]

Things a power house

[wary gale]

No duh it’s a 2000 dollar card

[potent portal]

It's also $2k

[crimson zinc]

Uh-uhhhh

[wary gale]

4 4070 supers out perform the 4090

[potent portal]

More than double the money for... 33% more fps

[wary gale]

And that’s similar price

Crazy

[mossy venture]

I love that the 7900 gre is what, 45% worse than a 4090 with overclocking?

And is nearly a quarter of the price

[wary gale]

That’s actually wild

[mossy venture]

Maybe closer to 55%

[wary gale]

Still garbage pricing

[mossy venture]

Not certain

[crimson zinc]

Never

[wary gale]

Ima get the gre soon

[crimson zinc]

4090 best gpu

[wary gale]

Ppl who get the 4090 either have unlimited money or are 4k res fanatics

[potent portal]

" I only play cyberpunk with path traced rays on"

[wary gale]

Lmao

[crimson zinc]

[cyan ravine]

They are also 2 kinds of people

People who play in 4K+ and use it properly, and people who don't and completely waste the value of the card

[wary gale]

Yup

[potent portal]

I feel sad when people say they're buying a 4090 to play esports at 1080p

[wary gale]

Cough cough mongral

[cyan ravine]

Literally 25% usage at 300fps

[crimson zinc]

I have my list to be making use of a 4090

[cyan ravine]

For a comparison, the 4090 idles at about 10%

[potent portal]

"But the latencyyyyyyy"

[wary gale]

How much fps y’all think a 7900 gre on all low settings paired with 7800x3d can get on fortnite

[potent portal]

(meanwhile AMD drivers with less latency)

[cyan ravine]

Don't use low or performance

it ruins the card utility

[wary gale]

Huh

It does?

[cyan ravine]

It runs the game like it uses an iGPU

yes

[wary gale]

Bro that’s what I like to do on fort man

[cyan ravine]

Use DX12 pro settings on newer cards

one sec I have a vid

[wary gale]

I like to get 360 fps stable

My pc rn barely gets 180 on low settings in a real game

[cyan ravine]

#graphics-cards message

[cyan ravine]

Yea but on a 2060 that makes sense

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WKc77R

I’m gaming

[cyan ravine]

On a 7900GRE, don't

[cyan ravine]

Watch this

Completely debunks anyone who says "Fortnite is better on Nvidia"

[wary gale]

Anyway to bypass it or like can I use medium settings atleast

[cyan ravine]

DX12 pro is the best and fastest

[wary gale]

Blud I uninstalled that

Bc I don’t use it

[cyan ravine]

kekw

[wary gale]

On Fortnite atleast

[potent portal]

400 easy, CPU limited so you can increase GPU related settings and still get max fps

[cyan ravine]

Watch the vid

You'll see what he notices

[wary gale]

Alr

[cyan ravine]

It greatly fixes the 1% lows as well

Up from like 30 to 100+

Huge change for a game that involves fighting using building

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500101029157797899/1236054872928026755/Screenshot_20240504-064024.png?ex=6643cc4e&is=66427ace&hm=868db2b7f86d97729c9d0c6265ad576ebe3a6f7ad2d035a9f2cc403b68ad1091&

[potent portal]

Yes definitely play with a fps cap as well

Basically the cap keeps the CPU from outrunning the GPU too much

[wary gale]

@cyan ravine

Bro

That video helped me

Tremendously

[wary gale]

But what if I want 360 fps

[potent portal]

Then set the cap to 360

[cyan ravine]

If you can't hit 360 fps, cap it to what you can run and the fps lows are better

[wary gale]

I need to give the gpu some room

And the next cap is 240

[cyan ravine]

then do 240

[wary gale]

Which is 120 lower

[cyan ravine]

Yes but when you fight in game, you won't be running 240

You'll be running much less as everything is going on and hitting the gpu

[lone flame]

can you even notice it past 240 💀

[wary gale]

Me personally I can

[cyan ravine]

Whole point of this is that you improve overall fluidity

[wary gale]

But ima have to try to get use to it

[cyan ravine]

OLED 240 looks smoother than IPS 360

I have first hand experience on this

You could also consider a 13600K and 4070 super here

You'll gain an even bigger 1% low improvement at the cost of never being able to upgrade on the mobo again

[wary gale]

Yay I got offered 800 on my old pc

That’s honestly so good

[cyan ravine]

Since every better cpu on intel rn is destroying itself under intel advice

[wary gale]

It got a 2060 i7 11900k

[cyan ravine]

800 makes some sense

[wary gale]

I got offered 800

[cyan ravine]

Hopefully the psu and storage aren't huge

[wary gale]

I put it for free and put offers in the description with the specs

Well more than half of my new build is covered

And I need to invest in an oled Fr

Hearing the benefits

They are calling to me

@cyan ravine according to u sounds like a game changer

[cyan ravine]

Cos it is

I mean, you can do just fine on a normal monitor, sure, but if you play at that 0.1% level, it makes an enormous difference

Invest in a good mouse and keyboard as well

Wooting 60HE and a Razer 8K sensor from 2022 onwards

The accuracy and response times are big improvements

There's not a whole lot else after that you could do to reduce system latency (Which ultimately is as big as a major fps improvement)

[wary gale]

I got a razor deathadder v

V2

And a razor huntsman mini

[cyan ravine]

Intel will have better 1% lows, but I will say again, they definitely have a huge amount of issues rn on the platform

[wary gale]

I’m a razor guy

[cyan ravine]

Both are good, my suggestions are slightly better

I have a mini analog and a DA V3 pro btw

lol

Modded both

[wary gale]

I wanna get a tkl tho

Since I edit

Easier

[cyan ravine]

wooting 80HE

iirc that's the name

[wary gale]

Also

[cyan ravine]

Go DA V3 or viper v3 pro on a sale

[wary gale]

Do u need a screwdriver kit when you build ur pc?

[cyan ravine]

you want a screwdriver

at least a phillips and a blade

[wary gale]

I mean I have that

[cyan ravine]

of decent size

[wary gale]

But in that video

[cyan ravine]

Then you should be fine

[wary gale]

It has some good advertising

[cyan ravine]

?

[wary gale]

And it made me wanna buy it

It’s 120 tho

[cyan ravine]

What ifixit?

[wary gale]

The vid about Fortnite

Yea

[cyan ravine]

I don't use one of those

[wary gale]

With coupons it’s like 77

[cyan ravine]

Great kits, don't need them

[potent portal]

They have good quality stuff but nothing too special

[wary gale]

Alr

It’s gonna be fun building a pc for the first time

I’m 13 as well so that’s gonna be a interesting experience

[cyan ravine]

Just make sure you plug the psu cables in the right direction and carefully put the cpu in the socket first thing

Other than that, pretty hard to mess up building one

Save for just general forgetfullness

[wary gale]

I know a couple steps already

First put the cpu in its socket on the motherboard

Than add the ram in the slots

[cyan ravine]

Watch this for all your building questions

[wary gale]

I watched Linus’s a few times

Really helpful

Just really long

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WKc77R
Any updated suggestions? @cyan ravine

[wary gale]

Insane build dude

[crimson zinc]

It’s my goal build.

I’ll get it all someday.

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GsmzcH

[crimson zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/winterz-soon-gif-19096204

[crimson zinc]

Mobo change and a PSU change?

[mossy venture]

white psu just as good, more m.2 slots and a nicer mobo

[crimson zinc]

I see I see

Updated that to be the goal

[wary gale]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xZF6z6 I’m going for this build currently

Would be a major upgrade from the pc I got rn

[crimson zinc]

Good build

[wary gale]

Thx Felix helped me🤑

[crimson zinc]

I’m currently out of a pc, but this is what I’m gonna grab with extra cash
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZdqWRK

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VfF6z6
https://www.amazon.com/KTC-OLED-Monitor-Built-DisplayPort1-4/dp/B0CRDRL92Z/

[crimson zinc]

I ain’t touching that TUF mobo

[cyan ravine]

?

[potent portal]

Asus things

ya know

[cyan ravine]

The X670 Asus' don't have issues

[potent portal]

#tech-industry-news message

[crimson zinc]

In reference to foxy telling me about it a bit ago

[cyan ravine]

I'm fully aware, you think they'll just allow something like that to happen if you take pictures before you send it?

I am all too familiar with a brand smashing up my device and footing me a bill for an irrelevant problem

[potent portal]

They did apparently. Did you see those emails they sent? They implied if you didn't pay to fix the cosmetic damage you wouldn't get an intact device back and they wouldn't repair it.

[cyan ravine]

This is why you video things properly and document it for evidence

There are regulators for these things

[crimson zinc]

How hard is it to just be a decent company and respect your customers

[mossy venture]

in 2024, very

[cyan ravine]

Every company has this issue

[potent portal]

It gets harder as you get more money apparently

[cyan ravine]

It's just Asus' turn

You can't fix crap degenerates making degenerate decisions

This is the whole reason Newegg got called out ages ago, by the same person

Their warranty department was garbage, couple that with gigabad repair services in the usa and you get a board paid for repair, sent back, never touched, still broken

I'm not on Asus' side btw, I'm not on any company's side

[potent portal]

As it should be, since no company is on your side in the end

[cyan ravine]

If you buy a perfectly working or perfectly broken board via amazon, you'll be able to return it provided your record is good

[elfin flame]

Return everything

[cyan ravine]

Amazon are renowned for their no questions asked service

[elfin flame]

Make Amazon hate you

[mossy venture]

i dont think ive ever returned a shipped package

or recieved a doa electronic

[cyan ravine]

The reference to this btw is the gen 1 B650's and A620's from Asus in their prime lineup. Inadequate vrm cooling lead to disgustingly bad temps and failing tests

The x670 doesn't have this issue

[elfin flame]

I wish I had the luck of being accidentally sent the wrong but better Version of something, like a 4TB sn850x when you paid for a 1TB sn850x

😁