building-and-recc-chat

[mossy venture]

Yes you would, and no but I would do a fresh install of windows when changing mobo

Like
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/npnLFs

[potent portal]

AM5 in particular has a bug where you can lose 15% of your performance unless you use a fresh install of windows, I don't know if it was ever really fixed

[little osprey]

Hmm

So I'm guessing it's not worth switching yet

Trying to be future proof

[mossy venture]

Well, what cpu and gpu are you on

[potent portal]

We're a few months out from the next gen on AM5. What did you have now?

[little osprey]

I already have the 5800x3D and I practically have no more upgrade path. Also got a 4070 GIGABYTE

[mossy venture]

Yeah nah not worth switching yet

[potent portal]

Yeah it's not worth upgrading from that right now, the 7600 is about equal to the 5800X3D in gaming

[mossy venture]

You can go up to a 4080s/xtx and not see much of a cpu bottleneck at 1440p

[little osprey]

I was sorta thinking the 7800x3D

[mossy venture]

Itd be around a 15-20% perf boost

But not really worth it paired with a 4070

[potent portal]

Assuming CPU bound games

[mossy venture]

You'd see a bigger diff with a better gpu

Ye that's talking pure cpu performance. Gaming it would likely be similar in more graphically demanding games

[little osprey]

As long as I can run GTA 6 💀

Which still pisses me off how it's not releasing on pc

[mossy venture]

Your current setup will be able to im sure

The ps5 is going to be able to and that is much worse than your pc

[little osprey]

See that's what I thought

[mossy venture]

I'd be incredibly surprised if my 3060 ti can't run it

[little osprey]

Though they sorta have to optimize it just like every other game

But still good point

[mossy venture]

Still tho, you'd likely be more gpu bound than cpu in gta 6

[potent portal]

If GTA6 is as moddable as 5 then it might be a good idea to get more VRAM

[little osprey]

Damn

So not even the 4070 could handle it well?

[mossy venture]

No it certainly will

[potent portal]

Oh I misread, 4070 is plenty

[mossy venture]

But I'm saying your gpu will hit its limit before your cpu

[little osprey]

I mean then again I would assume at that point in time the better GPUs we have now will be cheaper

[little osprey]

Oh yeah

True

Oh also

For some reason while I was playing Siege yesterday my screen froze, my second monitor turned half black, then it all went black, and all of a sudden my PC started sounding like an F-15 fighter jet... which is odd cause my fans are already set to high speeds and still sound decently quiet. But I flicked the power switch cause I didn't know what to do, unplugged it entirely and waited before plugging back in

Luckily no data was lost but wtf was that???

[potent portal]

Sounds like the video driver crashed

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[little osprey]

Oh no not this again

I completely forgot what happened last time but I've heard of this before

[potent portal]

Have you done this before?

[little osprey]

I'm trying to remember but this was like a year or 2 ago and with a different PC if I'm not mistaken

[potent portal]

Well for now there's no cause for concern

If it happens again you can troubleshoot it if you don't want to yet

[little osprey]

Yeah from the looks of it, it doesn't look as if it'll happen again any time soon

[cyan ravine]

it'll release on pc

just

long after they've milked everyone for console

💀

[little osprey]

For the most part lol

[covert crypt]

Can someone tell me how I can make my newly installed computer fans be more quiet

They so loud

[cyan ravine]

which fans

[covert crypt]

Noctua and cpu cooler I think

[cyan ravine]

Could you be more specific

Model names would help me a lot here

Like pictures would help even if you aren't sure

[covert crypt]

Case: Lian Li 011 dynamic
Bottom 3 fans : be quiet! Silent Wings 3 73.33 CFM 120 mm Fan
Top 3 fans: Noctua A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan

Side 3 fans : be quiet! Silent Wings 3 73.33 CFM 120 mm Fan
CPU cooler : Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler

[cyan ravine]

interesting

all of them really loud?

[covert crypt]

I think so ya

[cyan ravine]

ok to be fair

[potent portal]

Are they all connected to a hub

[cyan ravine]

you have 11 fans

11 fans will make a fair bit of noise

what cpu are you using

[cyan ravine]

also this

[covert crypt]

Ya they all connected to pwm controller and some to mobo i believe

7800x3d

[potent portal]

Is the controller connected to the motherboard?

[cyan ravine]

ok you don't nearly need them loud then

yeah what controller is it

[covert crypt]

Ya connected to mobo DeepCool Fan Hub Control 4PWM Fan Speed Supports Fan with 3Pin/4Pin Cooling FH-04

[potent portal]

Ok, did you set the header you connected the hub to to PWM mode? It usually defaults to DC and will run them at 100% in cases like this

[covert crypt]

When I went to bios I think everything was at auto detect

[cyan ravine]

ok

[potent portal]

Which motherboard

[cyan ravine]

I would set a custom curve via pwm in bios

[potent portal]

Auto is usually PWM on CPU and DC everything else

[cyan ravine]

for a lot of boards ye

I think asus? defaults to pwm in a lot of situations

but a lot of mobos have terrible fan curves

[covert crypt]

This is what it’s at right now

[potent portal]

Which header is the hub on

[covert crypt]

Actually not sure my brother put together everything for me

All I know is he plugged all the case fans into the hub and whatever was remaining into mobo

[potent portal]

What you can probably do if all the fans are 4 pin PWM is set all the headers to PWM and silent profile

[covert crypt]

So cpu fan and cha1 to cha4 to pwm silent ?

[potent portal]

Yep

[covert crypt]

I don’t have an aio pump and w pump + I don’t think

[frosty roost]

Anyone want to link a Ryzen 8000 Series build with 4080 super?

Oh sorry not out yet...

[cyan ravine]

They're out

But

why 8000

[frosty roost]

So compatability between CPU and GPU? not really ideal?

Intergrated GPU / CPU

[cyan ravine]

The compatibility exists just fine but it's more I'm trying to understand why specifically an apu

APU's are meant for when you don't have a full gpu

[frosty roost]

ohh just interested on seeing a build

[cyan ravine]

They'll turn up, but they're not ideal no

[frosty roost]

the CPU idea to me is interesting

ok

Thanks

[cyan ravine]

You'll find the 8000 series likely in like

Tiny sff builds with no gpu

Really small itx or dtx builds

Those will be where you'll see them

Tiny all in ones or plex or igpu gaming

That sort of stuff

Fits in your hand business

[frosty roost]

Ok, your right ive seen some builds like that

Mini PC

[cyan ravine]

That's the usual flavour for ryzen apu builds

APUs make less sense for ryzen+dgpu now because the regular ryzen 7000 ship with igpus anyway

[frosty roost]

Yea thats something id fit in my car or something instead of a laptop

[cyan ravine]

They're essentially laptop chips anyway

Like 7940HS or was it, 7535hs?

Can't remember the second one

@obsidian wigeon knows

Laptop chip with unlocked tdp basically

[obsidian wigeon]

7940 is the right one

[frosty roost]

Ill check it out

[cyan ravine]

But that's why ryzen 8k will make no sense with a dgpu

You take a perf hit

The same way you take a perf hit going to a laptop

Ryzen 7k is still better overall

[obsidian wigeon]

8000 ryzens with G prefix are basically you making similar compromises as buying a laptop

[cyan ravine]

That's a good way to put it yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

and 7800x3d is like $40 more anyway

that's the fastest cpu rn that i would recommend for gaming

[frosty roost]

Yea i was searching for a 4080 super build

[obsidian wigeon]

4080 supers are out

but perhaps they ran out of stock

normal for launches

[frosty roost]

Im no expert at builds why i ask if you know a good build with 7800x3d and a 4080 super

[obsidian wigeon]

as far as i can see there's no msrp 4080 super rn

rip

lowest is 1099

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8KysPF

here's my attempt

going for 4080s equivalent

[frosty roost]

Thanks

[obsidian wigeon]

can be cheaper if felix does one i suppose

[cyan ravine]

Not really tbh

Change ssd to p41 plus*

Change cooler to single tower (optional)

Change case to mATX (optional)

You're pretty much spot on tho

@frosty roost
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BGmyZJ
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sGmyZJ
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qmfY89
https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-d40810d-10p-o

Few examples

If you can go for the open box trinity it's honestly a better value purchase than the 4080S at msrp

Direct from manufacturer too so no nonsense

XTX is slightly better value than either 4080/S tho

Two of those lists have almost identical random links

[manic cloak]

12900k vs 13600k..

Totally not thinking of buying that 12900k + z790 for 266$ for fun

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vj72ZJ

[manic cloak]

Jokes btw 13600k always better

[mossy citrus]

W value tbh

266 for that is a steal

[manic cloak]

Deal is gone though

[crimson zinc]

Do I need 48GB ram for light modeling and 4K video editing?

Or can I slip by at 32?

[obsidian wigeon]

32 is ok

[analog hearth]

people recommend 32 because 16 isn't quite enough anymore

[crimson zinc]

Okay, then I’m just going with some teamgroup ram instead of spending for an entire 48GB

[lunar bone]

Is this normal? I think the pins look fine

[lunar bone]

It isnt really that obvious that a pin is bent, but a second set of eyes would be helpful

[lunar bone]

Alright I put the chip in and it had a little play in the socket. Guess im sending the mobo back 😪

[sour kayak]

A little play is normal

but it looks like you definitely have a bent pin

[lunar bone]

Yeah it does

But i cant confirm it for the life of me

Cant exactly see where and how its bent, even with a magnifying glass

[cyan ravine]

@lunar bone looks more like a crooked pin rather than a bent one

Not perfectly aligned

[lunar bone]

Hiya felix, what does that mean?

Well more so if it's fine or not haha

It will take like >2 weeks to get a replacement

[cyan ravine]

It kinda looks like the pin isn't bent

But it's not perfectly straight like the others

The pin reflects yes, just not at the same angle no?

[lunar bone]

If I look at it like from the bottom, then it looks good

[cyan ravine]

I can see all the tops of the pins it looks like

As in all the tips look aligned

[lunar bone]

Yup, thats why I even took out the magifying glass lol

But didnt see anything bent

[cyan ravine]

It looks deceptive I agree

I'd be looking at that 3 times over for sure

This is what's telling me it might be ok tho

[lunar bone]

Yeah ive looked at it like 40 times from different angles and I cant say that Im positive that something's bent

[cyan ravine]

The highlighted bits flashing up with the torch

Like the really bright part

That looks like the tip and it's aligned

So my guess is it's just a bit crooked

I'd try it tbh

[dusky hearth]

it looks like a pixel off

[cyan ravine]

And yes the socket will have some play in it

[lunar bone]

Yeah I couldnt find anything online on cpu play, and my friend chat gpt said thats it absolutely not normal

Alright, so I think ill try it

But I'm concerned if it could damage the cpu

[cyan ravine]

Nope

If you insert it correctly

Test for stability later

[lunar bone]

Yup, very hard to do that on am5 lol

My last mobo didnt have a triangle

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[lunar bone]

But a square or something

[cyan ravine]

Fair

[lunar bone]

But yeah alright, ill hope for the best

[cyan ravine]

It can only go in matching the pads upright or upside down really

And iirc it has divots to orientate it upright

As well as, of course, the triangle

[lunar bone]

Yep

[lunar bone]

Should i put the cooler on before putting the mobo in the case?

The only thing was while installing the cpu was that the cover didnt pop off. I actually had to do a little manouvering to get it off

[lunar bone]

Alright

Ill just put everything essential together and test it

Wont put it in the case yet

[crimson zinc]

@tough coral $800 budget, what’s your region? Your desired use?

Any specific requests?

[tough coral]

Gaming, UK

At least with WiFi 5

[crimson zinc]

@mossy venture

[mossy venture]

Bit over budget https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/rP7rPF
In budget https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/WGVLdH

@tough coral

[tough coral]

Ty

I will send these to my friend

[hollow cosmos]

hi can i get assistance

i just bought 2 sticks of 8gb ram

ddr4

annd like

they arent going in

??

[potent portal]

What motherboard do you have

[hollow cosmos]

ddr4

[mossy venture]

That isn't very descriptive

[hollow cosmos]

bruh

my fault lemme put everything back together power it on and look

wait what the

umm

i cant even put my old stick of ram back in

ill put it in and close the levers and it just falls back a bit

and the levers arent closing all the way

hold on

lolll im actually dimb

dumb

okay the 2 ram sticks go in the 2 grey slots, right?

[lunar bone]

A2 and B2

Usually 2nd and 4th slot

[hollow cosmos]

2nd and forth away from the motherboard?

[lunar bone]

From the cpus side

[hollow cosmos]

they are both grey

ok yeah

[lunar bone]

Should be labeled on the motherboard as well

[hollow cosmos]

so whats supposed to happen when i put them in, replug everything in, and turn my pc on

what tye hell

it turns on with my old stick but not with the 2 new ones

and i put them in A2 and B2

[stable cove]

Great news i will have just about every part except for my gpu which will be arrived on the 7th

Gotta find one more fan for my case to buy because it came with three in the front and I need one for the back like we all talked about

[mossy venture]

P12, c12c

Or p14

[mossy venture]

Reset cmos with the new ram in

?cmos

[jolly river]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[hollow cosmos]

its good i alr got it

ty though

[stable cove]

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-P12-120-Pressure-optimised-Quiet-Computer/dp/B07GB16RK7/ref=asc_df_B07GB16RK7/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=320048880417&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6158455702352705892&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009438&hvtargid=pla-601548471833&psc=1&mcid=8f0cb861edbe33e1a2f7461294f153d6&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=61389685902&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=320048880417&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6158455702352705892&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009438&hvtargid=pla-601548471833&gclid=Cj0KCQiAwvKtBhDrARIsAJj-kTihb9RyHRrsmIzlK5tX6XXi3cPBd2gs9IO2KU_vqauTxci-rClQnPEaAl6vEALw_wcB

Will that work?

[mossy venture]

Mhm

[lunar bone]

I have connected the 24pin, cpu cable and pcie to the gpu but I cant short the two pw switch pins to test it. What should I check?

Psu is on, some kind of a backlight for the mobo illuminates but it doesnt wanna turn on

[stable cove]

I’ll take that as a no

[mossy venture]

Mhm means yes

[stable cove]

Ok

[lunar bone]

Not that I cant but it doesnt do anything when I short them*

[covert crypt]

i adjusted my fan speeds in bios to PWM Silent mode but it doesnt look like it reduced the velocity/sound on my 6 Silent Wings and 3 noctua
these are my temps right now

Any solutions?

[lunar bone]

@cyan ravine WE GOT A POST

The crooked pin is no problem

Hoky crap im so happy

[stable cove]

So my phantex eclipse came with a magnetic dust filter on it. Air still goes through but Do we leave that on it while we’re running the pc or should we take it off for greater ventilation?

[jagged ember]

Keep it on

I'm curious, what do you think you should do with the dust filter if you don't keep it on though

[covert crypt]

fixed it lol... my AIO Fan/Cpu cooler was running on full speed in bios

Did q tuning too

[strong raft]

Ryzen Master is meh btw, if that was the previous pic. Hwinfo shows tons of stuff. For reference, my fans run around 1100rpm on my silent curve, although mobo settings vary.

[covert crypt]

oh that NZXT i just downloaded lol

i uninstalled it now since i dont have an NZXT fan anymore

[mossy venture]

Ryzen master is worse than Meh tbf. Only time I'd use it is if your mobo doesn't allow xmp

[weak flint]

what about cpu underclock/overclock

[fossil cedar]

bios is better for everything tbh

[lunar bone]

which temps should I be looking at?

[earnest olive]

the first one

[lunar bone]

alr

no case fans, this is at idle

will check what they are when udner load

[weak flint]

no just wondering if its an actual good uc/oc

[manic cloak]

Not to hate on creating pcs but..

The stickers man.. 😭

[fossil cedar]

ryzen master OC or any other type of "AI" or Auto overclock is never good

[stable cove]

Checked out the motherboard and a bunch of them have plug in outlets right behind them. I suppose those are supposed to stick out of the back of your pc for when you want to plug other things into it

[manic cloak]

? Which motherboard are you talking about?

[shut rampart]

where do I get my pc temps at I forgot what software

[potent portal]

hwinfo

[stable cove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/szfxFT/msi-b650-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-plus-wifi

Hopefully my air cooler fits in my case after I put my motherboard in. Golly is it big

But then again I just wanted to get a dual air cooler and call it all a day

Singular air cooler might have had the same width and height though just thinner

[languid nimbus]

At least they’re high resolution stickers

Could be worse

[stable cove]

So should I build the parts onto my motherboard before I put them into the case or afterwards?

[lone perch]

1080p itx gaming rig?

$600ish?

[cyan ravine]

With a 5700xt possibly

[lone perch]

i see

nvm then

better bets with a console or matx?

[potent portal]

Consoles are going to cost more in the long run the more games you buy because they don't go on sale as often or as deep a discount

So it's really up to you if it's worth spending more now or spread it out

[cyan ravine]

Really cutting it close here:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r9x6L9

Itx was a lot cheaper 2 months ago

[lone perch]

idk sold my main rig and spent a majority of the money on other stuff i needed to sort out

havent really been home as often either

[potent portal]

In that case maybe a mobile device would be better

[lone perch]

its possible

[cyan ravine]

Steam deck/lenovo go stonks

[lone perch]

they have their own os, yes?

[potent portal]

Steam deck does, custom linux

And you can install windows if you wanted

[lone perch]

been diving back into halo a bit since i havent been playing any wt

[cyan ravine]

Oh this is more doable. Bigger tho
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k7DxN6

[lone perch]

mainly games like reach and 3

[potent portal]

I'm pretty sure those would run on an iGPU unless you mean remastered

[lone perch]

i aint got the mcc

i want to but its just easier playing them via other methods

i still wanna play games like fortnite or cod with buddies though

appreciate the help

[cyan ravine]

Xbox series X exists as well

Or S

[lone perch]

i suppose

[potent portal]

Micro ATX for the heck of it https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tj4dfy

[cyan ravine]

Man this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DZLPcH

Used 6700xt would do it

Fals is good

[potent portal]

If used is an option that opens a lot more possiblities

[cyan ravine]

Quite balanced

[potent portal]

SSDs are keeping on a steady rise in price...

[cyan ravine]

Yep

[potent portal]

The good old days of MP33 being $35 are over

[cyan ravine]

They will keep rising until people stop buying

The precedent is in place

"Oh nand is expensive now"

Accountants and businessmen are greedy

[lone perch]

probably shouldve bought another one of those m450s

[mossy venture]

I got all the storage I could ever need while it was cheap fortunately

[lone perch]

i never saw a need for more

1tb was always enough for me

[stable cove]

If you get a gaming pc you probably can buy and download like all kinds of games in it from google searching

Just because normally google is where you find everything in the internet from

[mossy venture]

The relevance makes me think this is a question yet the phrasing makes me think this is a statement

I cannot tell

[stable cove]

It’s not really a question. YouTubers probably play their games through pc all the time when recording

[strong raft]

Previous message had nothing to do w/ recording.

[deep spruce]

Hi I'm looking at Wireless Internet Card for my Computer an would like to know what company is good to go for.

NShi, globalcrown, noelspace, Intel, TelDaykemei, Hetai Tech, Ksin, YEPLOOK, DELL or Satters?

[strong raft]

Look for Intel ax200 or ax210 chip & that's about it. Brand is largely irrelevant tbh.

[mossy venture]

Bro what are you even talking about I'm so lost

[deep spruce]

I should of said it's for a Desktop sorry for not putting in the post

[mossy venture]

I second what chillin said.

Also, if possible, get an m.2 or pcie wifi card

Usb wifi cards aren't as reliable, but if it's your only option than it's fine

[deep spruce]

I remember BestBuy hard WiFi Cards for Desktops an now all they have is USB an thats a joke

[stable cove]

When my graphics card arrives I’m gonna build my pc and hope my air cooler fits in my case after I stick my motherboard on because golly it is massive

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MMjBD3/intel-ax200-80211abgnacax-m2-e-wi-fi-adapter-ax200ngwgdtk

[deep spruce]

I dont think my MB can run that. https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-ga-970a-d3p/p/N82E16813128627?Item=N82E16813128627

[strong raft]

Oh, specifically search ax200 or ax210 "pcie wifi adapter" & we easily find the ones that slot in. Example: https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Wireless-AX200NGW-802-11ax-Computer/dp/B086V3KS9F

[mossy venture]

It can def run the pcie one

God that's a lot of pcie slots lmao

7

[deep spruce]

Funny thing is i was just looking at them

[strong raft]

Yea Bacca, that's some older stuff for ya. They thought we needed a lot of addin cards. As if most gpus wouldn't cover at least 1 of the x1 slots below top x16, lol. Fpanel below 24pin is 1 interesting thing. I never used AM3 stuff.

[stable cove]

Doesn’t display a direction the fans with the air cooler turn so hopefully I figure out a way to ensure it gets set up in my pc right because it’ll probably be pointing towards the back of the pc like the exhaust fan

[potent portal]

The side with the frame is the direction the air flows towards

[dusky hearth]

unless it's a reversed fan

but another way to tell is how the blades are shaped

usually it looks like it scoops towards the way it blows

[crimson zinc]

https://a.co/d/bTb5pXx

Does this seem like it could fit a phanteks eclipse on the side?

Posted in wrong chat

[dusky hearth]

58.42 cm of clearance basically

which phanteks eclipse case are you talking about

the eclipse is a line of multiple different cases

[crimson zinc]

Phanteks Eclipse P500A D-RGB ATX Mid Tower Case

[dusky hearth]

ok yeah it will fit with several inches of clearance on every dimension

well, not like, a crapload of clearance, but more than enough

[crimson zinc]

Just wanna put it there so I may appreciate my pc and still have space ahead of me.

[crimson zinc]

I think I’ve probably finalized by build. Steelseries mouse+headphones(fabric), Logitech keyboard, L shaped desk, some thermal paste and 99% Isopropyl alcohol, M34WQ monitor, Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 Snow 1050w PSU, that phanteks case, a 4090, 7800x3d, 32gb of TG memory, 2 TB of TG ssd, MSI B650 MB, and a peerless assassin cooler

[cosmic sparrow]

I’m thinking this build should be good to use with everything included. Would I need anything else?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/329dMV

[obsidian wigeon]

b650m pro rs is cheaper rn

[cyan ravine]

not the wifi version

this can be slightly better

One sec

@cosmic sparrow https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TQk9BL

slight readjustment

now it's full white lol

[cosmic sparrow]

Saving that one

Also thanks for making it match

[cyan ravine]

all good

good list

It looks...

Familiar

💀

[cosmic sparrow]

It is

You got a good memory

Just making sure nothing changes that would make my purchases not viable

[cyan ravine]

ah fair enough

[reef moss]

Can a 1k budget run pal world or b03 with mods?

[reef moss]

Oh hey. Ive joined an left this server so many times but I doubt you remember me

[mossy venture]

yes for sure. i can grab a list, in a few min

[reef moss]

That would literally be so amazing

I just need to be able to run my game with friends. Im rocking an Omen build from 2016 😵

[mossy venture]

you gonna carry anything over, like the storage?

[reef moss]

Nah

100% fresh

[mossy venture]

I'd prolly carry your storage over at least if you can

[reef moss]

So long as it can run modded games while im in a vc its good haha

I have a harddrive

or my ssd

but it only have one stick ssd

[mossy venture]

both if you can, i can include a new ssd too if you want

but I'd keep both

[reef moss]

ill keep both then

[mossy venture]

kk, and what monitor do you have?

[reef moss]

Lemme look

gigabyte m27q

[mossy venture]

oh dope

[reef moss]

I also have a logitech one but my current pc only has one hdm1 port

[mossy venture]

so over budget, ideal one https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3DV4jH
over budget but less so https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gk3RRK
in budget https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9GzvYN
In budget https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dHtCKX

[mossy venture]

and btw, if you want a cheaper option that's still more than capable for what you need, this is still great https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B6ZQgB

[dusky hearth]

random update; i finally found the effort to uninstall armory crate and asus software and installed ghelper

it is literally so much more stable

and actually switches off the dgpu when i unplug my laptop

[reef moss]

Thank you so much!

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-5600MHz-PC5-44800-Optimized/dp/B0BRQ2NZTJ/ref=asc_df_B0BRQ44JSB/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=658309442831&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14939687532932589426&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031279&hvtargid=pla-2065935910265&mcid=a5e8cb87570c3543ae99b537c3dfc148&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-5600MHz-PC5-44800-Optimized/dp/B0BRQ2NZTJ/ref=asc_df_B0BRQ44JSB/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=658309442831&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14939687532932589426&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031279&hvtargid=pla-2065935910265&mcid=a5e8cb87570c3543ae99b537c3dfc148&th=1

Whats the difference between these?
I see the 6000MHz and the 5600
But what is Style: DDR5 5600MHz 40-40-40-84
Style: DDR5 6000MHz 38-38-38-78

[strong raft]

Style= the kit specs. 5600cL40 vs 6000cL38

[mossy venture]

Those links are both 6000c38 for me

[mossy venture]

This would be better
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/s8vD4D/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-rgb-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-su032gxlwu60afdhsw

[strong raft]

The 6000 option didn't change the url. Amazon is quirky like that sometimes.

[mossy venture]

6000c30 and $100

[manic cloak]

Should I really uninstall armory crate

Tbh I don’t see it affecting my pc but I’ve seen a lot of videos about it being just 90% bloat

[rough totem]

This is my old build. How much can/should I sell it for?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xKKcFs

[crimson zinc]

Yes

[little osprey]

so am kinda in a pickle, people are telling me not to get 16 x 3 sticks. because of duel channel, I want to use that ram stick and others as well

[mossy venture]

What?

[mossy venture]

High end, 300

To a friend, half that

[rough totem]

Dang, is every part that isn't the video card worth exactly nothing?

[mossy venture]

I mean, cpu around 40, mobo and ram 20-55 depending on the buyer, psu I would not trust that thing with my pc, case 10-30, storage 20

[rough totem]

I figured the video card alone was worth 300

[stoic island]

during the height of the shortage, maybe, not anymore

[rough totem]

Well then Amazon should be ashamed:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GBX8X5S?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[mossy venture]

No not at all

Maybe 80-110

[stoic island]

It's a product that's long discontinued, there's no more being produced, it's just sold by some random reseller

[rough totem]

Well then Multi-Com Computers should be ashamed

[crimson zinc]

https://www.amazon.com/Graphics-WINDFORCE-Cooling-192-bit-GV-R67XTAORUS/dp/B08ZGWCFPT/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3LF3VU93Z4DJY&keywords=6700+xt+aorus+elite&qid=1707103153&sprefix=6700xt+auorus+eli%2Caps%2C318&sr=8-1

I paid like $280 for mine

[pseudo pollen]

he's not buying it, he was asking how much it was worth

[crimson zinc]

I was commenting on how outrageous some scalpers want to sell for

[little osprey]

Hey guys I need some help. To pair with a 7900xtx, a pc for video editing+gaming (Fortnite mostly)+recording+maybe streaming, should I go with the 7950x3d (660€) or with the i9 14900k (640€)? I've been searching and I saw that the i9 consumes a lot of watts compared to amd, and they have somewhat an equal performence in games. Will I notice many difference between the 2 in video editing or multitasking? Also which one will make me spend more money in terms of motherboards and ram?

[cyan ravine]

7800x3d

Runs better

Games as good

Cheaper

Runs in toaster boards

AMD in general better for ram facilitation, it's harder to get similar results on high capacity ram on intel

Basically 32gb or 48gb or bust

[little osprey]

For video editing and multitasking as well?

[obsidian wigeon]

video editing uses gpu

[cyan ravine]

You'd have to really demonstrate to me some rather extreme multitasking examples to convince me you'd want a dual ccd x3d

On top of that, whether or not you need blender makes a difference

[little osprey]

I just want the best, need to edit videos quicker. In gaming they have about the same performance right?

and one that should last longer

[cyan ravine]

They'll last about the same

The best in games is the 7800x3d

[gentle pollen]

Game performance is pretty much exactly the same however 7950x3D is a bit of a pain in the arse to manage cause of its quirks.

[mossy venture]

14700k moment

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qrtLYN
What PSU can we lower this to? She gave me the specific peripherals, so I cannot change them. (This is fiancés build, so I need to make sure I don’t mess anything up she chooses)

[mossy venture]

There's an asus 750w with white braided cables

Lemme grab a link

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zm7scf/asus-prime-ap-750g-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ap-750g

Also cpu is $200 on amazon pcp just doesn't show it, if you don't alr know

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mgvdnQ/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-snow-tt-premium-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagx-w

[crimson zinc]

I do, I just haven’t gotten around to adjusting specific vendors and pricing for most of them

[mossy venture]

That's also good btw

[mossy venture]

Ah kk

[crimson zinc]

Does that thermaltake also come with white cables?

[mossy venture]

Could also do this for ram
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/s8vD4D/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-rgb-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-su032gxlwu60afdhsw

[mossy venture]

Yeah just not braided

[crimson zinc]

She wants a very aesthetic build. She has an entire room plan out for both of us, including painting sides.

[crimson zinc]

I’ll go with the thermaltake, I trust that name more than Corsair.

[mossy venture]

?

The other ones asus

[crimson zinc]

Oh, I read wrong

[mossy venture]

Ah

[crimson zinc]

I shouldn’t be awake on 3 hours of sleep

I apologize

[crimson zinc]

Also using these instead now, ty.

This be it now then

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pvYRRK

[mossy venture]

Looks great

[cyan ravine]

1300 for a 4080S 💀

[mossy venture]

Yeah that does hurt a lil bit with white xtx being 1000

Or white ti super at 840
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NrXV3C/zotac-gaming-trinity-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40730q-10p

[cursive wharf]

Prolly worth looking into painting a black shroud yourself if it's a $300 difference

Take the shroud off and use a can of spray paint

[crimson zinc]

I just put a 4080 S in there as a placeholder, I’m getting her the cheapest one later

Ain’t nobody spending 300 more for a colour change

[south cliff]

Some people do depending on the build they are goin gfor

[crimson zinc]

Spray paint or nothing

[manic cloak]

“Cheaper than 4080”

[pseudo pollen]

just hydro dip it smh my head

[rain carbon]

I just accept that the colours might be a bit wonky

The inside of my case has no consistency in colour

[cursive wharf]

I mean they'll be wonky even if you buy from the same brand

[lyric thistle]

I have a pink psu bracket

rommy said to just spray paint it white but I think I'll just leave it :^)

[crimson zinc]

Mines black, white, and will be RGB as hell

I wanna be flashy

[rain carbon]

Hell ye

[crimson zinc]

But my kb&m+headset are just cheap and slightly colourful

[rain carbon]

I have a redragon keyboard and a zero rgb mouse, i like the simplicity of it

[crimson zinc]

How decent is it? I’ve been debating since they’re generally good reviews.

[rain carbon]

The keyboard is a bit clunky with mashing inputs since ofc mechanical keyboards be like that, but otherwise i really like it, good for larger hands and for the price

Got mine for like 25 bucks off, originally 50

The rgb isnt that customizable which might be a turn off for some people, but i honestly like it

[crimson zinc]

I use controller for my games. Is it good for basic use?

[jagged ember]

Redragon is fine for basic use

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QH2mBL

[jagged ember]

But with a build like that

[rain carbon]

There are definitely better options than redragon

[crimson zinc]

I don’t like spending a lot on stuff I won’t use.

[rain carbon]

But its fine

[jagged ember]

Id get a better keyboard lol

[crimson zinc]

I don’t use it that often though

[rain carbon]

Id get an optical keyboard if you want precise inputs, those things are amazing

[crimson zinc]

Like I just need something to get by

That’s all

[jagged ember]

Id probably just get like an rk keyboard

[crimson zinc]

Same with a mouse

[languid nimbus]

Also, if you care about pixel density, 1440p is good @ 27”

[jagged ember]

Better than redragon but still cheap

[crimson zinc]

Link?

[jagged ember]

One sec

https://rkgamingstores.com/?shpxid=91b1cb44-546d-4713-b31b-69033da1948c

[rain carbon]

Whatever you do, just stray away membrane keyboards, those things never last 😭

[jagged ember]

Truee

For the price I think rk is great

[rain carbon]

Keyboards with satisifying clicky clacks are just 🙏

Theres whole lingos of it, creamy sounds, thoccy, you name it

Its a really weird niche but surprisingly nice

[jagged ember]

Thocc tho

That's my jam

[rain carbon]

Im all about creamy

That sounds wrong

[potent portal]

I only use membrane keyboards because
A. I'm cheap and I get them free or bundled
B. I don't play anything competitive

[rain carbon]

All fair reasons

As short as they last the dirt cheap price makes up for it

Although you gotta replace the whole keyboard when you mess up a membrane when with mechanical you just swap out the problem key

[potent portal]

I got a bundle with an EVGA membrane keyboard, laptop backpack, and 6 months of PC game pass for $20. I think it's cheaper to replace the whole keyboard than it is to replace a single mechanical key.

[dry remnant]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Captain_Narthex/saved/#view=cn74NG building this with the intent to resell, any thoughts? cpu and mobo are from aliexpress, and I already have the gpu

[crimson zinc]

Why reselling?

[dry remnant]

tryna make money

a side hustle, buy parts for good prices and sell the buit PC for a few hundred dollars more than it cost to make

so I can make money and do something I enjoy, build computers

[mossy venture]

16gb 3600c18 instead

The c16 will not sell better and costs a good bit more

That psu is a literal bomb. I could not in good conscience sell someone a pc with it

Aside from that it's fine

[dry remnant]

youre a lifesaver. thanks

[dry remnant]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6RTrxr/thermaltake-smart-600w-80-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-spd-0600npcwus-w how bout this one? it has pretty good reviews

[dry remnant]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n6RgXL/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gvk also are you talking about this RAM

[mossy venture]

Apevia Prestige 600w would be a better choice

Or ABN 550/650

Or asus tuf 450

Any of those three are cheap and decent

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LygFf7/teamgroup-t-create-expert-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-ttced416g3600hc18jdc01

If it'd sell better, can also do 32gb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

[dry remnant]

thanks. ive gone with the apevia PSU and the teamgroup RAM. thanks again for correcting my PSU selection, woudve been a problem without you

[mossy venture]

Anytime my dude :D

[crimson zinc]

Is pc reselling really a legit thing? Not like scalping but legitimately buying cheap and selling higher?

[pseudo pollen]

Yea

[crimson zinc]

I should get into that some day

[pseudo pollen]

It's really not the best business

if you want someone local to buy it, it needs to be sold at close to what you bought it for, which isn't worth doing imo, and if you sell it online, you run the risk of having shipping problems (something in the pc breaking while shipping) and also the high shipping cost

[crimson zinc]

[pseudo pollen]

I spent $500 building a pc to sell and was only able to get $400

[rain carbon]

Rip

[potent portal]

PC building is like that. Unless you're a known brand then you're lucky to make any profit.

For some reason people think it's a used pc because you stress tested it for an hour

But it's effectively new, in the same condition you'd buy a tested prebuilt

[lone flame]

@crimson whale what ram do you have in #build-pics

[mossy venture]

The main way to make money with it is deal hunting/ mainly good deals used, and then some cheaper parts you buy new if you're tryna finish a build

Sips used to do it a lot iirc

[frosty roost]

Sorry to ask again but wondering if this build would run this game https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H8qW6D

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2429640/THRONE_AND_LIBERTY/

Steam

THRONE AND LIBERTY

Welcome to THRONE AND LIBERTY, a free-to-play MMORPG that takes place in the vast open world of Solisium. You can scale expansive mountain ranges for new vantage points, scan open skies, traverse sprawling plains, explore a land full of depth and opportunity. Adapt your fight to survive and thrive through strategic decisions in PvP, PvE or both ...

Release Date

Coming soon

▶ Play video

Will GDDR6 be an issue with this mobo?

[mossy venture]

I would like to say yes but I cannot 100% gaurantee it

Cpu might be a bit too low perf

And no it would not. Your current gpu is likely gddr5 or gddr6

[cyan ravine]

Gddr6

Also no, memory is unrelated

Like how you can stick a new wifi 7 card into basically any motherboard from the last 15 years

[frosty roost]

ok thanks

[potent portal]

MMOs tend to lean heavily on the CPU so that might be a rough time

[lyric thistle]

Aren't they typically processed server-side

[potent portal]

The combat data and npc movements and stuff yes

But not the visual fx

I doubled my fps in ESO going from a 2700 to a 5800X

[cyan ravine]

I'll double ur fps in a minute

[lyric thistle]

War thunder runs on a potato

[potent portal]

That'd be great, are you replacing the nvidia frame gen with AFMF so it runs on my GPU?

[lyric thistle]

Pretty much light on both CPU and GPU

[potent portal]

If you turn the settings down yeah, it's an old one too

[cyan ravine]

No, what do you take me for

*drops resolution to 480p *

[lyric thistle]

Only limited by the server hiccuping and taking a dump on your computer lol

[cyan ravine]

Go to this link next: downloadmoreram.com

[potent portal]

😭

[obsidian wigeon]

needs downloadmorevram.com

[potent portal]

I have downloaded ram before on linux, you just map a network drive as swap space

[cyan ravine]

No we don't have that

[obsidian wigeon]

wha

[cyan ravine]

No we just take your credit card and send you ddr2

[obsidian wigeon]

you can use network drives as swap on linux?

[lone flame]

what is radeon SAM

[cyan ravine]

Sam is a special kid

[obsidian wigeon]

it's same thing as rebar

[potent portal]

Higher power limits on the GPU and CPU, basically an auto light overclock

[lone flame]

oh is it this

i dont remember turning that on

[obsidian wigeon]

brain

[lyric thistle]

You have amd cpu and GPU so it turns on

[obsidian wigeon]

the gpu has a brain

[potent portal]

Oh wait what was I thinking of... SAM was something different. It lets the CPU have direct access to the GPU memory

It can only help so leave it on

There's one game where it lost like 2% performance and that was a bug

[cyan ravine]

On by default, it's just rebar

[lone flame]

what is rebar

[rigid moss]

Suggest me some laptop for study and mid gaming under 780 dollars

[obsidian wigeon]

US?

[rigid moss]

India

[obsidian wigeon]

ah, alright

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.amazon.in/MSI-Gaming-Windows-GeForce-C7UCXK-094IN/dp/B0C5J8QMPM/ref=mp_s_a_1_31

here's the best one i can find

but i would suggest you to add 100 bucks more into your budget if you want it to last longer

2050 aka old 3050 (4gb version) isn't all that strong

faster than 1650 yes, but it's handicapped by the vram

[rigid moss]

What you suggest for 850

[obsidian wigeon]

laptops with something like 4050 for gpu

that would be nice

[rigid moss]

I want like 4+ hr battery life and mild fan noice snd not 100°C temp

[rigid moss]

Suggestions?

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.amazon.in/MSI-Gaming-Windows-GeForce-C7VEK-089IN/dp/B0C5JDGYS2/ref=mp_s_a_1_18

if you could afford this

it would be the best one

https://www.amazon.in/MSI-i5-12450H-Windows-GeForce-A12VE-071IN/dp/B0BZNT33D6/ref=mp_s_a_1_3

otherwise there's this

gf63 has meh battery life with 5 hours or so with 20% brightness

just idling

[rigid moss]

This one has good battery life and mild fan noice ?? And temps

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

that laptop can probably run with fans off on silent mode

[rigid moss]

I heard ryzen heats more than Intel

[rigid moss]

Fr ??!!

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

i have a similar laptop, it's a tuf a15 but it can do that

[rigid moss]

That has a 4000 series gpu that should take more battery and fans noice

[obsidian wigeon]

40 series gpu is pretty efficient

combined with amd cpu based on zen 3+

it doesn't run hot

i have tuf a15 with 7735hs myself, i can confirm that

[rigid moss]

This one is the best in terms of fan noice Temps and battery life in this price segment

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah, as good as it gets for that money

[rigid moss]

The cooling system in both of these laptops are same ?

[obsidian wigeon]

not exactly, but they're both dual fans

should be fairly capable

[rigid moss]

Ohh

[obsidian wigeon]

and not very loud if you need to be quiet

[rigid moss]

Oh

Soo that laptop would last like 3 -4 year with ease

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

[rigid moss]

Thanks for the suggestion

[stable cove]

So can I plug my pc into a surge protector or should I plug it directly into the wall?

[lyric thistle]

Digital electronics is pretty much the primary reason such a product exists

[dry remnant]

He means yes, use surge protector

[stable cove]

Ok thanks good thing I have plenty of them then

[obsidian wigeon]

If your house has good protections and ground already, I wouldn't worry

[jagged ember]

But you don't always know that

[analog hearth]

some houses have surge protection at the entrance of the house's circuit

but it's still recommended to use surge protectors on everything

[jagged ember]

True, better safe than sorry

Especially if you've got lots lying around

[analog hearth]

surge protectors wear out too

I remember a coworker and I were at a booth giving IT support at some school event. Just two laptops on a single surge protector and it kept turning off because it was so worn out

[jagged ember]

Oh jesus

Yeah, no that too

Pay attention to the light telling you it's protection is worn out

Or else it's literally just a plug

[analog hearth]

I mean if it was just a power strip (no surge protection) it would just split the AC circuit into 6 outputs, wouldn't it?

I think that may have been the first time I've experienced a dying surge protector so I didn't know what to look for lol

[jagged ember]

Normally yeah I think it's just do that lol

But that protector was probably so old it kept dying

[analog hearth]

usually the case lol

I have a surge protector that's so old I'm surprised it still works. I used it for a second to power a PC that takes up maybe like 400W and this thing still has RJ-11 connectors on it lollll

[stable cove]

That never really happened to me and I have my surge protectors plugged in lying all the time

[analog hearth]

It'll happen eventually with enough usage. Some take much longer than others to short out

[stable cove]

I was just concerned being plugged in a surge protector the pc would drag less power from the wall and wouldn’t have enough for the power supply to get it running

[analog hearth]

I think it just depends on the surge protector. It's a matter of clean power, not reduction of power

[jagged ember]

It'll draw as much power as needed

[cyan ravine]

Happened to me before

[polar zenith]

White good looking pc used for gaming, anyone got pcpartpickers list?

[mossy venture]

Budget?

Is wifi needed?

[polar zenith]

Yes, prob under $1,000 but I mean up to $1,500 depends on the deal

[dusky hearth]

[polar zenith]

Just casual gaming csgo, Redm, fivem

[dusky hearth]

white tax not really worth it for builds at 1k imo

[mossy venture]

Here's first option
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M89vYN

Same specs you have lol

[leaden raft]

yo @cyan ravine nows a perfect time to run that test for at least 3 hours could you help me set it up?

[polar zenith]

I returned all the parts to the pc, gotta update my name

[mossy venture]

For cheaper smthn like
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gpBW6D

[mossy venture]

Ah

[leaden raft]

or could anyoen help me test my ram? felix told me theres a test i need to let run for like 3 hours next

[mossy venture]

Purely maximizing performance I'd say
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fvjgh3

[mossy venture]

Memtest64, can Google that name and download it

https://www.techpowerup.com/memtest64/

[leaden raft]

what should i set the stuff to?

or do i not touch any of it

[mossy venture]

I would not touch any of it? I've never had to run it

I'm not really sure lol, sorry

[leaden raft]

Ok thanks for the link

Just gonna try letting it run for a few hours

i tried letting it run indefinetly

it just stopped with no errors

im not sure what i need to do to troubleshoot this pc cuz something is not working as intended

[manic cloak]

Would it be smart to throw a 13600k + 7900xt pulse w a 750w

[potent portal]

Which 750W

If it's at least a B tier then yeah that would be fine

[crimson zinc]

@potent portal @mossy venture could you two develop a comprehensive list of questions for inexperienced people in answer to tell what they want in a pc/their goals for one.

Something like

1. What’s the primary use? (Gaming or general use, etc etc)
2. Do you have any specific commendations you might want?(i.e. all white, red, RGB, etc)
3. Do you plan on playing the latest triple A titles, or primarily older games? (To pick between like a 3060ti and a 4090 type of question)

[cyan ravine]

Testmem5

https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

Tutorial is in the link

[crimson zinc]

@cyan ravine you too, I didn’t wanna trigger mass tag bot issue

[mossy venture]

Country parts are being purchased in, budget in local currency, what do you need included in the budget, do you have preferences for aesthetics or any specific parts, do you have anything already or is it completely from scratch.

Oh also size preferences

[crimson zinc]

PC build questionnaire
———————
Your Country+Currency:
Your Budget:
What is needed?(include peripherals if needed):
Your desired use:
Any Aesthetic choices:
Your progress on the build(0%-100%):
Size preference(micro, atx, etc.):
Particular programs you want to run(blender/Witcher 3/etc.):

@mossy venture any other suggestions I can add to this?

[obsidian wigeon]

i wouldn't include specific parts since suggestions can help convince people

[crimson zinc]

That’s true

[obsidian wigeon]

but that's fine to keep

[crimson zinc]

Changed

Just tryna make a list for people to answer so I don’t have to ask questions as often.

[mossy venture]

Ye looks good

[crimson zinc]

@lunar bone those fans look nice

What are they?

[lunar bone]

cpu cooler?

deepcool ak400

[obsidian wigeon]

it's definitely a deep cool fan

cuz cooler is ak400

[lunar bone]

oh no idea what fan that is haha

maybe deepcool fc120

[grim urchin]

yall i got a questions, my wifi is not working, it says connected but i cant search anything up still, the error code that it gives me is dns probe finisded no internet. ive searched it up and ive tried clearning my cookies, dns reset computer try my other networks, reset the router and none of that has worked

this has happened like maybe two weeks ago and i just didnt think much about it and it fixed itself the next day

what should i do?

im just using my hotspot for now smh

[potent portal]

Did you try setting your DNS to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 (Google DNS)

[grim urchin]

no i have not how could i do that?

[potent portal]

On this page in settings

DNS server assignment - edit

Change to manual

IPv4 on, preferred DNS 8.8.8.8

Alternate DNS 8.8.4.4

Then save

It should reflect on that status page immediately

Near the bottom where it shows addresses

[grim urchin]

DNS 8.8.4.4 or 8.8.4.4?

[potent portal]

In the fields you only enter 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4

[grim urchin]

it seems to still not work

it comes up with the same message

tthis right?

[potent portal]

Yeah so my guess is your ISP or your router is having issues

If you get your router from your ISP then see if they'll swap it for a new one

[grim urchin]

hmm alright

is there anything else i could do to the router though?

like other than me restarting it lol

[potent portal]

You could try a factory reset

[little osprey]

worth or nah

it is an alienware but its cheap af

[gentle pollen]

It's a reasonable ask. Nothing to large or to little price wise.

[mossy venture]

That's overpriced honestly

Maybe worth 300

Cpu+mobo like $90, gpu around 100, rest maybe 75

[potent portal]

Alienware name should make it less valuable tbh. They haven't been good almost since Dell bought them.

[cursive wharf]

Its kinda hard to say whether they meant AW was a pro or a con. Reads as both ways.

[vital magnet]

Shared List https://newegg.io/173d1ce

thoughts on this? planning on ordering the parts here this week

[mossy venture]

If you're just gaming I'd change it

Actually either way I'd change it

Can do either same gaming perf for less or better multi core for less

$400 cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QWyrL9

Same cpu gaming perf, better gpu

Better multi core perf, similar-ish single core perf, better gpu perf
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LzCPcH

Can add an aio if you want it for the aesthetic

[vital magnet]

i'll be streaming as well if that changes anything

[potent portal]

Nvidia GPU is best for that so it changes nothing

[vital magnet]

for sure, i don't care for super crazy fps or anything because the games im wanting to play arent super demanding

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LbQvYN

Ideal for you

If you want to spend some on aesthetics I can put a list together for a white rgb look, since I'm assuming that's what you were going for?

Smthn like
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QkKQgB

[stable cove]

So please share an opinion on this should I put pc parts on the motherboard before or after I put the mobo in the case?

[mossy venture]

It is a matter of personal preference

Some say out, I say it's easier in.

[weary galleon]

depends on cpu cooler

my stock am4 cooler had a backplate with no adhesive- big pain to install once mobo was in the case

I think most backplates will stay in place tho

[stable cove]

Yeah right now I’m just looking at all the cables in my pc and that connect to the power supply and it’s all a big jigsaw puzzle I gotta solve

I’m going to just look at my power supply and my cables and see if I can match all the holes before I actually insert the psu it’s supposed to plug into. Hopefully this isn’t too difficult. I never even done this before so may take several tries

[winter marsh]

PC aren't meant to be pretty

I never pulled the plastic off

And yes that's a new Y60 LED laying down and disconnected in there

[stable cove]

I think I’m gonna get my motherboard screwed in and then come back to the power supply

Not sure what’s best to do first but it’s probably put the motherboard on first

[potent portal]

I find it easiest to put the CPU and any M.2 drives on before, and as I'm putting the motherboard in I put the 8 pin CPU power on because it's usually a tight fit for my big hands up top.

[stable cove]

So about the power supply’s fan should I have that facing upwards or downwards in my pc case? I personally think upwards but correct me if I’m wrong. The fan probably should be blowing air through the ventilation

[obsidian wigeon]

up is usually the default position

it's because psu fans take in air rather than blowing out

the air leaves the side of the psu, which faces to the back of the case

[potent portal]

Optimal configuration for the PSU will vary by case

A lot of bottom mount cases have a vent on the bottom of the case so it can get fresh air and doesn't need to share with the rest of the PC

But other cases you actually want the PSU as an exhaust for the rest of the PC, like in the Fractal Torrent

[rain carbon]

My psu takes in air from the back of the case, pulls it through down and out of the front

Id say its a suboptimal airflow naturally but it still keeps perfectly fine temps, not to mention the bottom is ventilated

[potent portal]

The side you plug the power cable into is the exhaust side

What you described sounds very awkward, the power cable would be running inside the chassis

Which is a thing some ITX cases do

[rain carbon]

What i mean is airflow kinda splits into two parts, psu is at the top of case, air flow comes in from below it and takes in its air from there and air from the bottom of the case as well as air exiting from the front

Its a really weird configuration i have

But honestly it works really well

Its weird to word too lol

[potent portal]

There's a couple cases that do that and yeah it's weird

Usually small form factor stuff, they have to get very creative when designing it and airflow paths often take a side stage in the process

[rain carbon]

Ah yeah it is a smaller case so makes sense

[stable cove]

Are power supply cables supposed to have empty holes in them like this?

Is this normal?

[obsidian wigeon]

it is

[stable cove]

Okay that scared me for a moment

[strong raft]

1 is normal, 2 is common. edit: funky pic w/ the 4.99v and stuff, but anyone can just google "atx 24pin pinout" to get a better 1.

[obsidian wigeon]

1-2 is the expected amount of blanks

[stable cove]

Hopefully my power supply will still work. Think you gotta have everything plugged in to turn it on through

[obsidian wigeon]

Nope not really

You can use the integrated gpu if your cpu has one

But if you're using a gpu anyway, might as well install that and plug it in

[stable cove]

I’m gonna keep looking at my manuals for the motherboard and power supply because I turned my psu on while it was plugged in and it did absolutely nothing so clearly I’m doing something wrong

[potent portal]

Simply turning it on would do nothing. It needs to get a power on signal before it shows any signs of life.

If you wanted to test a PSU you can trick it into turning on with a paperclip. You just have the switch in the "off" position, insert the paperclip into the shown pins, and switch it "on". If the fan moves, it's working.

[strong raft]

Of course if psu has an eco fan button, set it so fan actually spins.

[potent portal]

Yes eco mode off

Few PSUs have that switch, even if they do have the zero rpm mode

[cyan ravine]

Small disclaimer here

The paperclip test proves it's working

But

The psu can still be potentially faulty

Source: Me and 3 fried 12900K's

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-bean-mr-bean-mr-bean-gifs-shocked-shock-gif-18472194

[potent portal]

Indeed, the paperclip test only proves that it's good enough to pass the initial checks

[cyan ravine]

And like 2 or 3 ram kits

[lone flame]

also was wondering if this was normal or not

[cyan ravine]

2 adata

1 kingston

[lone flame]

i saw my 7600 hit like 74c when gaming a few hours ago

[cyan ravine]

It was my second post in this server in fact

Was my 12900k issue

[lone flame]

i thought the non x was supposed to not run very hot

[cyan ravine]

I think the post is gone now tho

[potent portal]

That's well below any kind of issue

[cyan ravine]

It'll run hotter but because of higher power limits

They're the same chip underneath

If you unlock a 7600 it'll do the same thing

[lone flame]

non x is limited to like 65w right

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Well

[potent portal]

Kinda sorta

[cyan ravine]

65 but actually a bit higher

[lone flame]

85 is the socket power

right

[cyan ravine]

Around there yes

[potent portal]

Fun fact, the TDP calculation AMD and Intel do doesn't have power in the formula at all.
It's a Thermal Design Power, as in heat Watts.

[cyan ravine]

AM5 also does this funny thing where temps spike like mad

In small loads

[lone flame]

isn't high end 13th and 14th gen like

stupidly hot and power hungry

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[potent portal]

You can easily pull 300W on a 13900k stock settings

[lone flame]

whats the appeal in intel high end if they are so inefficent compared to highend ryzen? im assuming all that power has to do give advantages in productivity or smth right?

[cyan ravine]

Hey there

You reached the million dollar question

Yes intel has the advantage in things that are not games

Quite a decent advantage tbh

I will enjoy arrow lake if intel decides not to make their chips faster but more efficient

[lone flame]

speaking of future chips

what is my upgrade path for cpus, not that I need one, just smth i thought of

id prob wait for zen5

[cyan ravine]

World is your oyster

[potent portal]

AM5 upgrade path you're looking at another 2-3 generations before they move on to the next socket

[lone flame]

so what if i said smth like r9 7900

[obsidian wigeon]

nah

just get 7800x3d

[potent portal]

For gaming yes

[obsidian wigeon]

or the next ryzen 7 x3d on am5

[stable cove]

Yeah why go any higher if that can run 4090?

[potent portal]

9000X3D are supposedly in the works and will launch at the end of this year.
They're skipping 8000 mostly.

[obsidian wigeon]

8 cores is a good balance between value and performance

[lone flame]

they skipped 8000 cause of that weird gaming cpu right

[obsidian wigeon]

there's a reason it's popular

[lone flame]

8700g or whatever

[obsidian wigeon]

well it's not "gaming" in the sense that the cpu is super fast

rather, it's for mini pc's

[potent portal]

Kind of. AMD just skips sometimes. They did it with 4000 too.

[lone flame]

well the appeal of it is the fact it has gaming capabilties correct

[obsidian wigeon]

G just means igpu

stronger igpu in this case for am5

coz all am5 chips have igp

[potent portal]

Sadly G also means half the L3 cache to make room for the iGPU

[obsidian wigeon]

monolithic as well

no option for 3d cache

[lone flame]

would more cores help in any gaming scenarios? such as like simulation games

[obsidian wigeon]

they're laptop cpus pretty much

[lone flame]

i like to play those

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

they do help

[potent portal]

Yes which is interesting for memory overclocking. We already know 7000 is stable with DDR5-8000 and up. Much more than Intel is.

Monolithic always does memory better

[lone flame]

i cant wait to run city skylines 2 in 2026 when they optimize it

[obsidian wigeon]

a game like beamng loves cores

gpu not really, it just hits cpu

especially with a lot of cars

[lone flame]

thats also one i wanted to get

[potent portal]

You know I hit 98% CPU usage with my 5800X in Starfield? Crazy stuff happening with game engines these days.

That's TOTAL usage

[lone flame]

cause i play mostly simulation games and single player story games, would smth like the r9 7900 make sense?

i dont really play "shooters"

[obsidian wigeon]

7900 would make sense

and perhaps be faster than 7800x3d

but in vast majority of story games

the cache is beneficial

and no dual ccd bs to deal with

cuz 8 cores

[lone flame]

will i even notice that big of a change? whenever im bored and watch benchmark vidoes the fps is in like 10-15 frame difference in these games it seems like

[potent portal]

I did a derp and copied wrong ss

Here's the right one

X3D still on top for Stellaris

[lone flame]

theres also this

if that matters

i watched this the other day so im basing some of my info on this

[potent portal]

That chart is notably from before the X3D launch

[lone flame]

i did notice

[potent portal]

It's best to look at their latest video since it'll have the newer CPUs as well as the newer game updates

[lone flame]

idk, im not upgrading anytime soon. ill see what zen 5 has to offer

[potent portal]

With a 7600 you're good for a long while. At least until the 4090 is considered midrange.

4-6 years or so

[lone flame]

4090 being midrange one day is wild to think about

[potent portal]

Think of it this way. The 2080 ti currently is compared to the 3060.

Tech moves fast when it wants to

[stable cove]

So far I found three of these tiny cords I’m trying to find the fourth one. Think there’s supposed to be 4 in every case

[potent portal]

Technically speaking only the power switch is required

Some cases don't have the power LED, where the button lights up when the PC is on

[stable cove]

Hopefully these three will do if I can’t find that forth one. My pc obviously don’t do anything until I plug everything into the motherboard correctly

It’s quite a pain but hopefully this pays off

[potent portal]

Think of all the money you save building it yourself. $300-500 is certainly worth a few hours, even a full day, of my time personally.