#building-and-recc-chat
mossy venture
comparing 6000 series and under especially with benchmark softwares instead of games is a bit skewed, as most benchmarks prefer nvidia cards, especially 40 series
cyan ravine
You know what, I just saw it's in that quote
We should remove that
And replace with 3dmark
cyan ravine
@fleet lichen use this if you want something cut and dry
https://www.3dmark.com/search
Time spy extreme gpu score
Fire strike ultra as well
And port royal for rt
Or speedway for rt
fleet lichen
also whajt type of 7900 u recomend
cyan ravine
Sapphire pulse
Sapphire best brand
Or xfx merc
Merc a bit noisy but if you like the aesthetic it's a great card
fleet lichen
i wanna watercool it
fleet lichen
ye but what u think if i dont need to pay for fancy looking but want the perfeerormance
cyan ravine
Just merc
If you intend to block it either way, merc310 then get alphacool block
Alphacool merc block then alphacool core cpu block
That would be my suggestion, but ask around for good watercooling suggestions
Those are quite good though this gen
Use the gpu with PTM7950 for the paste on the gpu die
fleet lichen
im not a huge fan of their cpu blocks tho
cyan ravine
They're good blocks
The new ones
I believe they're called core
Derbauer tested them, found they were solid
fleet lichen
let me see i didnt like the aestehtic part lmao but its cooling probs good
fleet lichen
i see black silver whtie silver auroa black auroar white aurora
i mean i could do thje black one tho
im going for black adn gold themed so ima probs do black tubing and i can do gold fittings
cyan ravine
Hmm nvm I must've been imagining it
cyan ravine
I thought I did see one but no there's no clear one
fleet lichen
._.
cyan ravine
No
People do what they like with it tbh
I will also say this
Watercooling will mean you will lose out on a huge amount of performance here
What may be like a 7600+7900XT build could've easily been a 7800x3d+4080 super build
And speaking from experience, watercooling is honestly painful
Even with soft tubing which is miles better than hard
fleet lichen
can u link me the version of 7900xt u would buy ik theirs multiple dif vversions of merc310 and what not
rough totem
No one makes closed loop water blocks, huh?
cyan ravine
No one makes closed loop water blocks, huh?
Alphacool
cyan ravine
can u link me the version of 7900xt u would buy ik theirs multiple dif vversions...
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/N9xRsY/xfx-speedster-merc-310-black-edition-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx-79tmercb9
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3BQcCJ/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-11323-02-20g
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v2qPxr/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx7900xt-pg-20go
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WbxxFT/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx7900xt-pgw-20go
rich helm
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LtRWPF does this build list make sense i just want to check
manic cloak
Anyone know why I can't find Fluid Motion Frame gen on my AMD drivers?
potent portal
Enable HYPR-RX, and disable HDR
manic cloak
Enable HYPR-RX, and disable HDR
HYPR RX is enabled but HDR?
manic cloak
Disable it in your monitor settings
HDR has always been off in my monitor settings..
just my monitor on it had it on, but that's off and it isn't there
potent portal
Are you on the preview drivers
potent portal
Nope, it's still a preview feature. Just a public beta basically.
https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/amd-software-adrenalin-edition-23.30.13.05-win10-win11-dec8-rdna.exe
manic cloak
That makes sense why I couldn't find it
rich helm
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W4bM6D maybe?
where can i actually buy a 7500f though
potent portal
Aliexpress
manic cloak
where can i actually buy a 7500f though
Aliexpress.. 😭
I got a trust worthy seller don't worry
but then again
Aliexpress so
rich helm
yeah probably not, its not for me its for a cousin of mine
manic cloak
Hmm
potent portal
YMMV using Ali
manic cloak
Well
Considering the 7500f is practically the chinese version of the 7600x
Big loss right there sadly but give me a second
rich helm
I have to send this list to my uncle and he going to buy the parts for him so i want to keep it to newegg, amazon type stuff
manic cloak
I have to send this list to my uncle and he going to buy the parts for him so i ...
Any ocing occuring?
rich helm
Nah id keep it stock
I think it's something that my cousin could be interested in but I don't want to have to teach him how to not break his computer, he's the type of person to go a little overboard even if i taught him how to oc
potent portal
A620 is a decent budget option then. Memory overclocking allowed but not CPU.
rich helm
This looks good
manic cloak
Though
rich helm
I'll leave oc in the books i guess
manic cloak
Considering it's not 700's gen mobo's
it's at a good price compared to the b760s
Or this could work aswell
Though the mobo might be overkill imo
manic cloak
It's the cheapest z790 board rn
rich helm
im not up to date on intel news, can you run 14th gen on z790
manic cloak
Ofc
rich helm
oh cool
potent portal
You can run 14th on 600 series even
rich helm
lol back in my day you only got 2 gen per mobo
manic cloak
I'm saying though if you were to go with AM5 though he wouldn't have to worry about the thought of a dying gen
potent portal
You can run 14th on 600 series even
I don't know why you would when it's just 13th with a new coat of paint
manic cloak
Cause the highest he can really go with performance once 15th gen comes out is 13600k or 13900k tbh
rich helm
ahh I see
rich helm
low key ive never built an AMD pc ngl
ive built over 40 intel pcs
i think i might stick to my comfort zone until i try AMD in my own pc i think
potent portal
lol *back in my day* you only got 2 gen per mobo
This is a unique situation because Intel really, really screwed up. They couldn't get their copycat of AMD's design working in time so they relaunched 13th gen with a clock speed bump.
rich helm
ahh makes sense
potent portal
Yes, Intel is so far behind they're having to copy AMD, and failing at it
rich helm
lol i used to know about all this stuff, in fact i used to always be in here making parts lists, now i feel like i fell behind on tech news and never caught up
potent portal
RIP desktop meteor lake, burn in the pits where you belong
Next gen is arrow lake with a new generational naming scheme
rich helm
Dang ive fallen a few places huh, i used to be #52 on the server and now im #70
potent portal
Oh did I mention that the meteor lake laptop chips are apparently worse than raptor lake
manic cloak
You're joking
obsidian wigeon
why am i not surprised
that means, the msi claw isn't all that good after all
lol
potent portal
11th gen backslide all over again
potent portal
that means, the msi claw isn't all that good after all
Let's be real, the only thing it has going for it is thunderbolt for egpu
potent portal
There's handhelds with USB 4 launching that can also do egpu but no docks yet afaik
After some research it seems TB4 docks work over USB 4 so it's a moot point
All you need is OS support for egpu
obsidian wigeon
ah
stable cove
Don’t worry I haven’t bought anything yet. Just working on my build and making sure things fit before I buy anything. Not sure how great that Corsair case is unless there’s a different one with more open ventilation
tawny violet
Let's be real, the only thing it has going for it is thunderbolt for egpu
Until you realize the the x4 interface cripples those
It's really funny cuz thunderbolt eGPUs consistently get kneecapped due to lack of bandwidth even still
potent portal
They're not intended for high end cards, something like a 3060 would run everything just fine on a handheld. It just has to be better than the igpu.
fleet lichen
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/N9xRsY/xfx-speedster-merc-310-black-edition-rad...
Would an XTX be worth the little price increase?
fossil cedar
Would an XTX be worth the little price increase?
Possibly, tbh if you are willing to wait a few weeks the 4070ti/4080 supers will either be the best option or push the price of the amd options down
cyan ravine
Would an XTX be worth the little price increase?
4080 super at that point
XTX would need to be near-ish 900 to make a good argument against 4080S methinks
It's something like only a week away now from dropping, the new 4080S*
lone flame
im interested to see how the 4080s does
considering the 4070tis kinda flopped from the benchmarks I watched
basically very little increase in performance
from what ive seen
cyan ravine
The super tie
Yes
It's done quite poorly
4080s will just be a slightly better 4080 for a $1000 price tag
Which is attractive
It will force the XTX down
It can't stay at 950 imo
It will need to come down to stay a decent choice
lone flame
4080s is still 16gb vram right?
cyan ravine
I believe so?
I would make the argument tbh the 4070 super would be maybe a better purchase than the 4070 super tie
lone flame
4070s actually got me excited about the 40 supers considering it was like a 20% increase for the same msrp
cyan ravine
Yep
And the old lineup was so carefully calculated for price/perf it wasn't a joke
Like you pay 50% more, you get 50% more performance
The 4070 super broke that trend
But 4070 super tie didn't really
4080 super will as well since frankly a $1000 4080 to begin with is worth it
If we consider this from a hindsight perspective tho, the 4070 ti (or 4080 12gb) was meant to be $900 originally
lone flame
the only supers before the 40s were in the 20 series right
cyan ravine
Mhm
cyan ravine
If we consider this from a hindsight perspective tho, the 4070 ti (or 4080 12gb)...
This might be nvidia pushing back after this happened
i.e had their original roadmap worked, this would've been a 4080 12gb super perhaps, but at $800
Who knows
I could play what ifs about this all day tbh lmao
lone flame
im set with my new 6950xt, I just get to watch all the market drama the next few weeks lol
little osprey
iBUYPOWER Slate 6 Mesh Gaming Desktop, Intel i5-13600KF, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060, 16GB DDR5, 1TB NVMe SSD, Liquid Cooled, RGB, Windows 11 Home 64-bit, SlateMshI5N4602
I bought this brand new for $600
Did I get a good deal?
Walmart store was closing and I got it for 50% off
cyan ravine
Excellent deal
lone flame
if its running fine and its currently going for 1k yeah good deal
cyan ravine
Although I'd upgrade to 32gb
little osprey
if its running fine and its currently going for 1k yeah good deal
it was 1.1k and I got it for $600 lol. walmart near me was closing down
cyan ravine
And check the power supply they have
little osprey
the 4060 is bad no?
cyan ravine
Yes but not for 600
lone flame
for a full system including it at 600 not bad at all lol
little osprey
And check the power supply they have
750 I think
little osprey
But not 600
I upgrade the graphics card
lone flame
brand?
little osprey
and 32gb of ddr5
lone flame
of the psu?
cyan ravine
750 I think
Would be better to know the full model
little osprey
of the psu?
I will let you know in a couple of hours, thanks for your help
cyan ravine
I upgrade the graphics card
To?
cyan ravine
Oh I see
little osprey
if its compitable
lone flame
4060 will do fine at lower quality presets for a bit, if you upgrade def upgrade the psu and ram
cyan ravine
You'd def want to check the psu first
little osprey
and change the power if the company is bad
cyan ravine
Then we can talk options
cyan ravine
It's fine
lone flame
Then we can talk options
speaking of I need a 850w
little osprey
@lone flame @cyan ravine There was also a 3060 but I didnt get it, the cpu was also worse ddr4
mossy venture
speaking of I need a 850w
D.f2 is $90 rn
little osprey
did I pick the right one?
cyan ravine
did I pick the right one?
You did
lone flame
D.f2 is $90 rn
link?
little osprey
You did
bet. I work at walmart
Just a heads up
A lot of walmarts are going to close down
around the country
lone flame
What gpu you going to be running?
6950xt
mossy venture
Oh you'd be fine on a decent 750, but thats cheap rn ^
Not worth saving $10 for a worse quality 750
cyan ravine
just letting you guys know
*books plane ticket from australia *
mossy venture
never buying corsair again
Rme?
cyan ravine
Rme has a noisy fan by intent
mossy venture
I've heard corsair is pretty good with coil whine, my rmx is doing fine
little osprey
*books plane ticket from australia *
my bad
cyan ravine
It's stripped rm
mossy venture
Rme has a noisy fan by intent
Damn really?
cyan ravine
Yes
lone flame
it might not even be the fan tbh
cyan ravine
It's stripped rm
mossy venture
That's sad
cyan ravine
The e is eco
As in economical
Heard it from the corsair psu guy himself
What's his name again? John
John...jontron?
mossy venture
Luke?
mossy venture
Oh ye
I've never seen anything from him but I've heard you and a few others mention him
cyan ravine
He's the guy
Like
the guy
For corsair psus
I mainly read aris reviews now for psu content
mossy venture
I just don't really read much, I just refer to the tier list, what I stumble across, and you lmao
severe hull
Good afternoon all is 4600 o'clock overkill on 6700xt ryzen 5 5600 ? We have 2 x16 3600. Was going to buy 2 more since new MB has 4 slots or should I upgrade?
cyan ravine
@mossy venture https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atx-v3-0-pcie-5-0-ready-psus-picks-2023-hardware-busters/
mossy venture
Good afternoon all is 4600 o'clock overkill on 6700xt ryzen 5 5600 ? We have 2 x...
4600 o clock? What?
mossy venture
<@654444344274845698> https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atx-v3-0-pcie-5-0-re...
We should get this pinned in #cases-psu-and-cooling
severe hull
4600 o clock? What?
Over clocking speed
cyan ravine
This is where most of the tier list content comes from
mossy venture
<@654444344274845698> https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atx-v3-0-pcie-5-0-re...
@fossil cedar any chance?
severe hull
mossy venture
If you're going to be ram tuning, get a used kit of B die or Rev E
mossy venture
Otherwise just do 3600c18 and leave it
severe hull
So I'm just going to order 2 more
cyan ravine
To 64gb?
severe hull
Ya
cyan ravine
Never mix ram
severe hull
Its the same one
cyan ravine
It makes a lot of issues
mossy venture
What're you using the pc for?
severe hull
I have 2 already
cyan ravine
Its the same one
Even the same one they put different parts in
mossy venture
If you're just gaming, especially with a 5600/6700xt, 64gb is counter productive
cyan ravine
So not the same
We see it all the time
If you want 64gb you should get 64gb from day one
Otherwise you end up struggling to even run what you have now
severe hull
What do you mean they put different parts
cyan ravine
Underneath
mossy venture
Also at 64gb, especially 4x16, I dont know if your cpu could handle 3600mhz
cyan ravine
They use memory chips from many manufacturers
So one kit would be one of like
9 manufacturers
mossy venture
If you need 64gb, this. But if you're gaming it's still counter productive
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rMK2FT/patriot-viper-4-blackout-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-pvb464g320c6k
severe hull
If you *need* 64gb, this. But if you're gaming it's still counter productive
ht...
And leave 2 slots open ?
cyan ravine
It's a lottery to get the exact same twice
severe hull
Should I just get 4x8
mossy venture
And leave 2 slots open ?
Yes, but again what are you using the pc for
cyan ravine
And leave 2 slots open ?
Yea tbh
mossy venture
^
More sticks of ram and higher capacity put more strain on the imc
Meaning less likely to run higher ram speeds
severe hull
Astehthic lmao
mossy venture
2x16 is perfect
severe hull
Fortnite rust Garry's mod w.e that is
cyan ravine
And 4x16 would barely run 3600 to begin with
It barely runs on my 5900x system
And I tuned it to get that high
💀
cyan ravine
Ye just run 2x16 for now
fossil cedar
<@191276897227898880> any chance?
Of what sorry?
mossy venture
Of what sorry?
Any way we can get the link felix posted in cases and psus pinned?
It's a good source for atx 3.0 reccs
cyan ravine
It's aris reviews article
fossil cedar
<@654444344274845698> https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atx-v3-0-pcie-5-0-re...
Okay bye
cyan ravine
mossy venture
Ty pato
lunar bone
Is preapplied thermalpaste sufficient for a 7800x3d? Purchased all my parts but forgot about the thermalpaste, so now Im wondering if I should buy it or not
mossy venture
Is preapplied thermalpaste sufficient for a 7800x3d? Purchased all my parts but ...
Mhm
7800x3d is fine on a $18 cooler with stock paste
lunar bone
Yeah alright. Ill be pairing it with a thermaltake ak400
mossy venture
I think that's a deepcool cooler, but its fine. It tends to be a bit expensive but it'll cool the 7800x3d just fine
lunar bone
Oh yeah deepcool
near garden
Can someone help me out I’m tying to buy this ram kit it’s the g skill ddr4 tridentz 32gb 2 stick 4400hz I have a msi b550 gaming plus it says it’s max is ddr4 4400hz will I run into problems?
lone flame
@mossy venture thoughts on this?
https://www.newegg.com/be-quiet-pure-power-850w-850-w/p/1HU-004H-000S2
mossy venture
<@654444344274845698> thoughts on this?
https://www.newegg.com/be-quiet-pure-p...
Check the link felix had pinned in cases and psus, I dont know much about most atx 3.0 psus
I believe the gf a3 at 90 a better deal tho
mossy venture
Can someone help me out I’m tying to buy this ram kit it’s the g skill ddr4 trid...
Do not buy that
No am4 cpu will run 4400mhz in gear 1, you'd have to run it unsynced which greatly hurts performance
Not only that but you're spending $100-200 (depending on capacity of kit) on ram that you won't be able to carry over for a future generation
Good ddr5 32gb is $90
All you need is a 32gb 3600c18 kit
If you want to spend more, get a used B die or Rev E kit and ram tune (ram overclocking)
near garden
Do not buy that
Yeahs that’s the thing tho I don’t think my mobo supports ddr5 so I don’t know what to get for ram
vivid copper
Can someone help me out I’m tying to buy this ram kit it’s the g skill ddr4 trid...
No point in running anything higher than 3600 on ryzen. You'd be at more than the point of diminishing returns, you'd actually probably have worse performance cause you wouldn't be keeping the fclock in ratio. It's not get the highest number you can get and go. Stick with 3600 cl 16 or 14 for the best performance.
mossy venture
Yeahs that’s the thing tho I don’t think my mobo supports ddr5 so I don’t know w...
No it doesn't. Just get the cheapest 3600c18 kit, or a used 3600c16 kit
3600c16 is like $80+ new, more than $25 over c18 and has minimal gains
near garden
3600c16 is like $80+ new, more than $25 over c18 and has minimal gains
Can you translate that to dumb ? I don’t really understand what c16 and c18 is haha
mossy venture
It's the CAS latency, lower is better
It's not that much of a difference between cl18 and cl16 3600mhz, you would see some difference in 1% lows/frame drops
3600c16 was considered the sweetspot for am4, but its just poor value now. I'd suggest looking on Facebook marketplace for a kit if that's the route you want to go
near garden
It's not that much of a difference between cl18 and cl16 3600mhz, you would see ...
Oh okay thanks I just really want to play this game that requires more ram to run smoothly thanks for your help 🙂
mossy venture
Oh okay thanks I just really want to play this game that requires more ram to ru...
You're not running it with another kit you already have, are you?
Sorry let me clarify that since that could have two meanings
near garden
No I just have a 16gb 3600 kit rn
mossy venture
You're not gonna run the new 32gb kit with your current ram right?
near garden
nope
mossy venture
Ok cool, all set then
near garden
Thanks
lone flame
I believe the gf a3 at 90 a better deal tho
i want something that is quiet and will last
not looking for the must have best deal if its a bad unit
mossy venture
not looking for the must have best deal if its a bad unit
I mean the gf a3 is a fantastic psu
The 750w can run a 4090, look into noise on it
lone flame
I mean the gf a3 is a fantastic psu
did you send me the link for that already I can't remember
i'd like 850w
mossy venture
I linked you the 850 at $90
mossy venture
Nah one sec
Aside from that, mwe gold v2, xpg core reactor, leadex iii, and d.f2 are all $110 and lower and I can vouch for quality wise, you'd have to look into noise yourself
lone flame
whats the difference between the two thermaltakes
mossy venture
Gf1 2024 is new and not on tier list yet, the old gf1 was b tier basically A tier. From what I know it's just the old one with an atx 3.0 connector, but I could be wrong
severe hull
So essentially I'm building a new pc after all these parts . New case , new cpu , new Mob , new Psu. New GPU that's only been installed for about 30 days . I'll be swapping over maybe 2 or 3 fans, the ram and 2 SSD. My question is can I build the pc and will his pc have the same windows layout apps etc ? Is everything saved on SSD ? Or is there more to it ?
stable cove
So I think im buying an AIO. If nobody recommends Corsair then what brand should I buy it from?
mossy venture
So essentially I'm building a new pc after all these parts . New case , new cpu ...
yep, but I'd recommend a fresh install of windows, but you can still keep everything
fleet lichen
4080 super at that point
Ye i can finance 0% interest on amazon tho for gpus 4080 super ima buy 1k out the door at best buy.
severe hull
yep, but I'd recommend a fresh install of windows, but you can still keep everyt...
How would I do that?
fleet lichen
also gonna have to wait for alphacool water block to release if its difdimensions
mossy venture
once youve built it you can just reinstall windows via settings and choose to not wipe the drive
severe hull
Copy so it will boot up normally
severe hull
Thanks Bacca
mossy venture
anytime
limber oyster
I kinda wanna grab a 5950X, but my case can't handle the cooling for it
fleet lichen
i feel like theirs 0% chance anyoen c an get a 4080 super FE from best buy cause u cant check out and fill in info / click next fast enough befor ea bot
earnest olive
I managed to buy a 3080 faster than the bots did 2 weeks after launch
it's not impossible
but also
are there really so many bots going for that?
mossy venture
I kinda wanna grab a 5950X, but my case can't handle the cooling for it
dont you only game?
earnest olive
I heard they were struggling to sell 4070 supers at all
limber oyster
dont you only game?
For under $380 compared to my 3700x?
earnest olive
for 380 you might as well make the jump to am5
cyan ravine
5800x3d >>>> any am4 for gaming
Even itx is doable for near 400 on am5
7600 for $200 + $120 a620i ax + $85 32gb hynix ddr5
A620i AX runs a 7950x comfortably
And 7600 matches a 5800x3d basically in all the things
earnest olive
7600 is chilling paired with a 3080
cyan ravine
Sure, if it seems an option
crimson zinc
@cyan ravine looking to build a second setup, nothin fancy, maybe some white parts, and another monitor
Looking for something to do some game testing on
mossy venture
<@101107951401455616> looking to build a second setup, nothin fancy, maybe some ...
Budget?
mossy venture
Overbudget https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WJhCt7
Over budget 2 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LztM6D
In budget 1 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HrZhBL
In budget 2
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y9b7ZJ
lyric thistle
building
brazen peak
I’m having a hard time putting the cpu cooler inside
lyric thistle
put it on the board before putting the board in the case
brazen peak
put it on the board before putting the board in the case
I’m doing that first it’s just every time I screw in the cooler on one side the other side is hard to screw on and I want to avoid damaging the cpu so I’m scared on what to do
mossy venture
Might go with that last one
Imo the extra for the 240hz monitor is worth it, it's a pretty nice monitor
crimson zinc
Imo the extra for the 240hz monitor is worth it, it's a pretty nice monitor
Noted
lyric thistle
I’m doing that first it’s just every time I screw in the cooler on one side the ...
screw like a half rotation each time, alternating between the screws equally
until you feel the screws resisting
make sure they're all being screwed down the same amount pretty much
whether it be two screws or four
weary galleon
screw like a half rotation each time, alternating between the screws equally
To add on to this, go in an X / diagonal pattern
lyric thistle
👍
tawny violet
XTX would need to be near-ish 900 to make a good argument against 4080S methinks
that was what we thought the 4070 Ti Super would do against the 7900 XT and that kinda didn't happen
stable cove
Where would be the best place for me to get an AIO water cooler if Corsairs aren’t worth it? A lot of people love Corsair water coolers but me I’m not sure what exactly to get. I’ve made a decision and I’m getting an AIO to ensure my pc has enough cooling. Just shouldn’t buy a bad water cooler though
tawny violet
Where would be the best place for me to get an AIO water cooler if Corsairs aren...
What CPU do you want to cool?
Asking cuz
Well
You probably don't need an AIO
most you likely need is something like a Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 or an AK620 with anything short of a 7950X or a 13900K/14900K
analog hearth
Where would be the best place for me to get an AIO water cooler if Corsairs aren...
I have a Lian Li Galahad AIO (the 360mm version). It cools my 13700K like it's nothing
idk if that's a budget option at all or if it meets your budget options but that's what I use. there's also a 240mm version I think
mossy venture
Where would be the best place for me to get an AIO water cooler if Corsairs aren...
Ls720, lt720, arctic lf2, basically any aio from thermalright, anything from EK
I'd I remember right you're going am5? Which very much doesn't need an aio
You might see like a 5c difference? Felix gets I think up to the high 70s with an am5 chip in a custom loop
tawny violet
AK620 will be plenty, as is the PS120
mossy venture
^
Literally any dual tower from thermalright
I mean a single tower is fine, any dual tower period should be fine lol
stable cove
I’m just gonna get an AIO for now I’m not ready for the custom loop. That’s going to be a lot more work and I think that’s only for experienced pc builders
fallen thistle
I was sent here when I tried to ask the store chat if items in my cart will work together.
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-nuc-box-1260p/p/N82E16856158081?Item=N82E16856158081
https://www.newegg.com/samsung-1tb-870-evo-series/p/N82E16820147793?Item=N82E16820147793
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232942?Item=N82E16820232942
mossy venture
I’m just gonna get an AIO for now I’m not ready for the custom loop. That’s goin...
I was just giving you an example
I'm saying you're going to get Temps in the high 70s minimum no matter what on am5. Likely in the 80s
mossy venture
I was sent here when I tried to ask the store chat if items in my cart will work...
I dont believe so. Do you own any of these?
And what is it being used for?
fallen thistle
I dont believe so. Do you own any of these?
I want to build a home server for home automation, camera NVR, media server and maybe a small AI project. I don't own these items I want to buy them but I am wanting to make sure they work together.
mossy venture
I want to build a home server for home automation, camera NVR, media server and ...
Are you at all open to building yourself or nah?
Can do a much better mini pc for a similar cost, or similar for much cheaper
Otherwise I'll look into some other pre built options and get back to you with what I find
fallen thistle
Not that many have dual ethernet
mossy venture
Dual ethernet?
I mean by the name I can assume what it means, but why's it required?
fallen thistle
Dual ethernet?
Yes, two ethernet ports. I plan on adding a NAS. This type of setup is very performant.
mossy venture
Hm alright. I'll see what I can find
It's the exact opposite of a mini pc, but this has it
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RkRYcf/msi-meg-z690-ace-eatx-lga1700-motherboard-meg-z690-ace
Would need a massive case though
Oh this might work https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2PYmP6/asrock-z690m-itxax-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-z690m-itxax
1 2.5gb/s and 1 1gb/s
mossy venture
Yes, two ethernet ports. I plan on adding a NAS. This type of setup is very perf...
Rough list, and now ima look into the mini pcs
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cjr3dH
potent portal
PCIe cards are often cheaper than getting a motherboard with dual nic
mossy venture
PCIe cards are often cheaper than getting a motherboard with dual nic
Oh good point
vivid copper
I was sent here when I tried to ask the store chat if items in my cart will work...
No the NUC uses laptop memory. So you need SO-DIMM ram....and while it does have a SATA input, you'd be better off grabing a NVME drive instead. It would be light years faster and 1TB would be the same exact price or cheaper.
fallen thistle
No the NUC uses laptop memory. So you need SO-DIMM ram....and while it does have...
Thanks. I will check out the NVME drives
fallen thistle
PCIe cards are often cheaper than getting a motherboard with dual nic
I don't think NUCs in general have space for PCIe cards
potent portal
I wasn't saying it was for the nuc, probably better for a mATX board
Heck even USB ethernet cards would be fine
Assuming it's well built enough to not overheat
fallen thistle
Rough list, and now ima look into the mini pcs
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cj...
The machine needs to be quiet and live on a small shelf.
fallen thistle
I wasn't saying it was for the nuc, probably better for a mATX board
I need a very small form factor. I can spend some money but I don't want to waste it or pay for too many features I don't need.
potent portal
You said it was for a NAS box right? How much storage do you think you'll need and will that need increase in the future?
potent portal
I want to build a home server for home automation, camera NVR, media server and ...
Silly me, I should read more
Ryzen has a significantly better integrated GPU which will help in some of those tasks like serving media (5600U is Zen 3) https://www.newegg.com/asrock-4x4-box-5600u/p/N82E16856158080?Item=N82E16856158080
Max speed memory it supports, 32GB should be plenty https://www.newegg.com/p/2SJ-0039-001H5?Item=9SIAAFJFY70795
fallen thistle
You said it was for a NAS box right? How much storage do you think you'll need a...
NAS would be added later that is why I want the dual Ethernet
potent portal
Gotcha. Well the one I recommended has dual ethernet as well as Wifi 6E.
fallen thistle
Ryzen has a significantly better integrated GPU which will help in some of those...
Thanks. I will take a look. I will be running proxmox on bare metal. I'm assuming this would work fine on this machine?
potent portal
Yep proxmox doesn't seem to have any special requirements
Whoops I misread part of the nuc specs
There we go, 4TB SATA M.2 drives are hard to find https://www.newegg.com/kingspec-4tb-nt-2280-series/p/0D9-000D-00178?Item=9SIB1V8K0W0784
Additional storage would have to be added via usb. At least the C ports are 10gbps.
This is the updated version of the same mini box, better GPU is the main feature (660M), plus it supports nvme drives https://www.newegg.com/asrock-industrial-4x4-box-7735u/p/56-179-002?Item=56-179-002&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options
And it requires different memory https://www.newegg.com/nemix-ram-32gb/p/2SJ-000N-00535?Item=9SIA7S6K2W2579
stable cove
I'm saying you're going to get Temps in the high 70s minimum no matter what on a...
Ok yeah I’m definitely buying a water cooler. Don’t think bottlenecking your gpu with an under gpu is a good idea. People said not to do that. Who knows how much heat PCs can take without something bad happening
cursive wharf
Where would be the best place for me to get an AIO water cooler if Corsairs aren...
As discussed last time: #general-chat message
mossy venture
The machine needs to be quiet and live on a small shelf.
That case is pretty tiny and it should be pretty quiet, having no gpu
stable cove
It’s just we’ve gone in circles for a while and I think my final decision is to buy an AIO so now I gotta think about how I’m gonna avoid overheating the pc as I play all day which I may have to buy a case that can hold a lot of fans and probably get a different cpu that’s not as hot but can still run vr and vrchat
mossy venture
It’s just we’ve gone in circles for a while and I think my final decision is to ...
Hey I think you're overthinking it a bit
Overheating isn't as much of an issue as you think. A pc can run at 90c on cpu 24/7 and be fine.
A lot of fans don't really help with airflow beyond a certain point, it just becomes redundant
Much more than this and it just becomes silly
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JwXgpB
A cpu won't become damaged even if you ran vr 24/7 with it at 90c
Well, any semi recent cpu
cursive wharf
It’s just we’ve gone in circles for a while and I think my final decision is to ...
Remember that heat is a form of energy that is measured in wattage (for the average everyday person). The sources indicated in the earlier message shows that when high end air and liquid coolers are set to a certain noise level they remove the same amount of heat from the component. Meaning they all cool the same when they output the same noise level. I did skip over some more advanced stuff for the sake of layman terms (specifically to do with how the tests properly compare with one another), but that info isnt needed for what is currently being explained.
If they cool the same under noise constraints then that means they perform equally when under noise constraints. Does this make more sense?
stable cove
My god I just looked and it said certain CPU’s are actually meant to be 95 degrees Celsius. Can the motherboard handle that?
potent portal
100%
stable cove
That’s almost 200 degrees Fahrenheit
potent portal
And the lowest melting point of any nearby components is approximately 130 C
With potential for damage starting around 120
Intel sets the throttle point at 100C on their recent high end stuff
mossy venture
Yeah even with an aio on am5 it'd likely be in the 80s still
potent portal
Which is perfectly safe to run at 24/7 but may result in some performance loss depending on cooler
stable cove
Well I’m buying the best AIO water cooler I can find so hopefully it won’t get to the thermal throttling point. That’s my decision well confirmed
mossy venture
Am5 is limited by heat transfer too
mossy venture
Well I’m buying the best AIO water cooler I can find so hopefully it won’t get t...
Ek 360 about as good as it gets
But you'll see maybe 2-5° diff compared to a $35 phantom spirit
potent portal
A 7950X is going to run at 95C no matter what. You can have a custom loop and it will still reach that.
The IHS is the limiting factor, you'd have to delid it to get better
stable cove
Had a feeling even with a custom loop PCs could still get hot
Just don’t want things getting too hot that’s what you don’t want because then things can burn or melt
potent portal
Like Hay was saying, the same amount of heat is being moved, a different cooler just affects how efficiently it's moved and how loud it gets
PC parts don't burn unless there's already fire, like can happen with a short circuit
stable cove
Few People in here said if you get the right water cooler it won’t leak and that’s what I’m doing. These higher CPU’s probably get pretty hot
cyan ravine
Well I’m buying the best AIO water cooler I can find so hopefully it won’t get t...
This is basically impossible with some cpus
mossy venture
I mean sure, but the life span of an aio is also 3-5 years
cyan ravine
Few People in here said if you get the right water cooler it won’t leak and that...
????
Who is few people
potent portal
I mean sure, but the life span of an aio is also 3-5 years
If you're lucky. If you're not or you get a bad one that could be 6 months and the pump dies, or 2 years and it runs dry
stable cove
This is basically impossible with some cpus
What do you mean? Does the hot temperature cause the aio to leak open or something?
stable cove
So what do you mean it’s impossible with some cpus?
cyan ravine
As in
The cpu will perpetually be impossible to stay under throttling no matter what you throw at it
Not always in this state, but there is no solution that fixes it
stable cove
And then what happens when it thermal throttles?
cyan ravine
It just slows down
As it's intended to do that
It slows down or pegs itself at a safe speed at or below the throttle point
stable cove
PCs aren’t supposed to thermal throttle though
cyan ravine
Some cpus are made to do it 24/7 for years
stable cove
So why buy the higher power CPU’s if they’re gonna do that?
Thermal throttles not good
cyan ravine
Because the performance is viable enough to justify it
If a cpu can run in a laptop at 100C for almost a decade then a similar desktop cpu can do it no problem
GPU's are also stress tested to this sort of torture through accelerated scenarios to ensure longevity
It's very hard to break silicon nowadays
The problem is exceeding this throttle point, as the throttle point is a known safe limit
potent portal
So why buy the higher power CPU’s if they’re gonna do that?
Why buy the higher power ones indeed. The 13600k gets 95% of the fps that the 13900k gets but uses 50% of the power to do it.
stable cove
I feel like thermal throttling just makes gameplay worse
Plus then your just gonna have a scorching hot pc
cyan ravine
The problem is *exceeding* this throttle point, as the throttle point is a known...
Exceeding this safe limit is what leads to the cpu having problems, but staying under it, can do it all day
cyan ravine
Plus then your just gonna have a scorching hot pc
AM5
By design zen 4 is intended to run at 95C
It will still target 95c and peg itself there, then adjust to an appropriate frequency
So it won't feel like throttling
But it technically is throttling
Newer intel to a large extent can do this as well
As long as you have sufficient cooling then throttling isn't a breaking point for a cpu these days
No matter what, anything like a new xeon server chip or a 13900k will throttle
Even in games
Buying the best aio will not stop game throttling
Throttling isn't quite what you think it is
stable cove
Yeah but best to not let it get too hot though even if it still gets hot
cyan ravine
I'm trying to tell you some cpus are like this by design
As in running not hot would be almost a miracle
stable cove
I might have to think more carefully if my pc parts. Think less thermal throttling would be better than a ton to avoid the game slowing down a bunch
stable cove
So is this thermal throttling gonna be noticeable or real bad?
mossy venture
i dont know what you mean
no cpu will throttle in gaming loads under a 360mm aio unless something is wrong
maybe a couple cpus will throttle under a 360mm in multi core loads
rough totem
But felix said...
stable cove
Yeah I’m gonna stick to the YouTube videos and keep researching but I definitely know I’m getting an AIO
Better to be less hot than even hotter
All we’ve been doing is running around in circles and it’s time for me to start making decisions
potent portal
So is this thermal throttling gonna be noticeable or real bad?
It depends on what you're doing, what processor you're using, what motherboard, and cooler.
For example, if you have a 7950X and every core is pegged 100%, it's going to hit 95C. There's no way around it without risky mods. But it's designed to do that, and it doesn't lose any performance from being at that temp, assuming the cooler is halfway decent.
cyan ravine
It depends on what you're doing, what processor you're using, what motherboard, ...
This
100% everything I'm trying to say
cursive wharf
Remember that heat is a form of energy that is measured in wattage (for the aver...
Partially referring to this, power usage of a CPU will affect heat output. If a CPU isnt consuming much power it wont output much heat. Games dont need a significant amount of parallel CPU performance, meaning the CPU wont be consuming much power, meaning the CPU wont output much heat.
If the heat output is not high then AIOs will struggle to outperform air coolers. If AIOs only remove 10% more watts heat than air coolers (once again, mostly at the cost of higher noise levels), at 70w that is a difference of 7w while at 350w that is a difference of 35w (there is a lot Im skipping for how physics works, point is diminishing returns at low wattages of heat).
mossy venture
I'd take ls720 over it
crimson zinc
Having trouble finding both a stylish+functional cooler for the 7800x3d in a concept build
Going with a futuristic(not cyberpunk, but more so spaceage) neon build
@cyan ravine @mossy venture either of you have any suggestions?
mossy venture
Having trouble finding both a stylish+functional cooler for the 7800x3d in a con...
Phantom spirit evo maybe?
austere condor
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nR9xt7
$2000 budget (not set in stone, budget fluctuates based on what i might get for selling my current rig)
Usecase - Gaming, 4k 144hz, extreme multitasking, (recording/gaming/editing clips at the same time)
Dayz, Arma 3, GTA V, little bits of newer AAA games here and there. mostly Milsim and older games tho.
parts already owned are marked as $0 and purchased. $2000 is the rest of the budget.
why two GPUs? i have 5 displays plus a VR headset i use on this system. current GPU and the 4080 i own only has 4 display output.
much prefer to go all air cooling and keeping the system super quiet. dont wanna bother with even an AIO anymore. current system is a custom loop.
lets see what options are out there and what people would recommend 😄
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nR9xt7
$2000 budget (not set in stone, budget flu...
Do you need multi core perf?
austere condor
not really
has windows 11 and AMD fixed their problems with the 7900X3D / 7950X3D?
or is that still kinda wack
weary galleon
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BRMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-evo-69-cfm-c...
This, or maybe a deepcool tower?
mossy venture
Also do you want an igpu so you don't need the second gpu?
mossy venture
has windows 11 and AMD fixed their problems with the 7900X3D / 7950X3D?
7800x3d just easier, no dual ccd nonsense
For same single core perf, or effectively the same
austere condor
right, i have a 5950x right now and i occasionally see like 60-80% utilization
if im really hitting it with a LOT of stuff
but my bottleneck right now is GPU
mossy venture
In that case I'd probably go 14700k
mossy venture
14700k basically needs an aio though
mossy venture
D15 prolly not even enough if you're getting it to that high usage, maybe if you umdervolt it
Or figure out if 7800x3d will be enough, you might not need the extra cores
Here's what I'm looking at rn https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PPTvmD
Can do the d15 instead of that thermalright cooler, theyre very similar
cursive wharf
Def would want contact frame with higher end Intel, esp if you are trying to save on cooler stuff
mossy venture
And intel one https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pgfKGP
14600k would be fine on the d15 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cr8hBL
Would likely get a bit toasty, but within thermal limits. It stayed in the 80s under an fc140, which is worse than a d15
mossy venture
Yeah but what for
cursive wharf
A 8TB gen4 NVMe?
austere condor
id definitly go for 64gb of ram minimum
austere condor
yep
mossy venture
48gb kits perform better especially if you're tuning
austere condor
i currently have 96gb of ram
so at least 64
considering you cant really do 4 dimm DDR5
=/
mossy venture
austere condor
opps, need a ton of USB on the board, probably 3 M.2
mossy venture
I mean could even do
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jn26Mp/gskill-ripjaws-s5-96-gb-2-x-48-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f48gx2-rs5k
cursive wharf
opps, need a ton of USB on the board, probably 3 M.2
Do PCIe to USB AICs work?
austere condor
im already stretched kinda thin on PCIe lanes
almost to the point where i need to go HEDT
mossy venture
Then do x670 if you go AMD
One sec
If you go amd you'd likely have to set ram to 6000 instead of 6400 at 96gb, possible at 64gb
austere condor
did AMD boards ever fix their problems killing X3D chips?
mossy venture
Gah damn look at the io on that thing
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MyzmWt
And yeah
mossy venture
If you want an extra ssd btw
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rjkWGX/adata-premium-for-ps5-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-apsfg-2t-csus
cursive wharf
im already stretched kinda thin on PCIe lanes
What do you be doing?
austere condor
dual GPU, capture card, and 10g nic, at least 2 NVMe drives
mossy venture
cursive wharf
Shouldnt need dual GPU when using iGPU
mossy venture
Also ye I'd just get rid of the extra gpu in leui of using igpu
cursive wharf
Is that two NVMe drives on chipset (three total), or two total?
austere condor
x3D has iGPU?
austere condor
that enough to manage two 1440p 165hz displays?
no gaming, just, desktop / video watching
cyan ravine
At 60hz maybe
austere condor
ehhhh, now thats where the second GPU is nice
crimson zinc
This perhaps?
https://us.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/Assassin-IV...
That’s really cool. Is it good tho?
cyan ravine
It's something like a 2CU iGPU
cyan ravine
Uh, no, jury would be out on that one at best
austere condor
bottom 3 are on the main GPU, top two are on the secondary GPU
mossy venture
Uh, no, jury would be out on that one at best
My 13600k did one 1440p at 165hz, not sure about two
cyan ravine
Yeah if it's just 5 displays you could run 4 on the main, then 1 on the igpu
1 at 165hz 1440p might be doable on uhd770
mossy venture
Also can force the second gpu to run at x4 if it isn't already, I didn't look at the gpu
austere condor
so, here's my BIGGEST workload im expecting
4k 144hz GTA V RP gameplay
OBS recording at 1080p 30fps using Nvenc
Premier Pro open and able to edit
Photoshop open and doing simple screenshots
playing a 1080p 60fps youtube video
i wanna do all of that, at teh same time
5950x / 3090 cant. its GPU limited
cyan ravine
All of that at once?
austere condor
yes
cyan ravine
Can't run a second system for encode and editing?
cursive wharf
It's something like a 2CU iGPU
I'd imagine your at a internal bottleneck rather than a CU bottleneck for pushing total pixels per second on a desktop
cyan ravine
That's what I do
austere condor
ehhhh... i could i guess, but id have to buy a 4k 144hz passthrough card, and set up everything to work with a dual PC recording setup, its a lot more of a mess
cyan ravine
It can be but it's a lot easier to hit a hardware tier
cyan ravine
4K 120hz afaik is the passthrough limit rn
austere condor
eh,, same thing
cyan ravine
Oh i didn't know they have 144 now
Wouldn't really reinvest anyway tbf, not unless it had av1 native
austere condor
my secondary PC is a 5600 / 32gb / A380
but its more my work PC than a second streaming rig
austere condor
i can ditch the 10G network card
thats more of a future plan so its just sitting in my PC
lol
cursive wharf
High end mobos do also have 2.5G ports
cursive wharf
Anyways, Im still in believe that AMD iGPU should be fine with two monitors on desktop
cyan ravine
What would this look like
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fTkk89
You can use process lasso or similar if you run into any scheduling conflicts, though in my 1st hand experience with the chip I've yet to see it happen
austere condor
boards IO kinda sucks
austere condor
livemixer is a B650e tho
3 sata drives, 3 NVMe's, dual GPU and a capture card
B650e have enough internal PCIe for that?
on the chipset
cursive wharf
Demon, any reason why you cant do a 4 (dGPU) + 1 (iGPU) for your monitor layout? While I still believe iGPU should be fine with your two displays, can just do a 4+1 config if not.
cyan ravine
austere condor
3 displays main GPU
2 displays secondary
1 VR headset main GPU
yeah im looking at that one rn
cyan ravine
5 main displays will be a stretch without dual gpu
Maybe consider one ultrawide instead of 2 displays
austere condor
well yeah im still expecting to run dual GPU
austere condor
Maybe consider one ultrawide instead of 2 displays
i used to run 7 displays with a VR headset
cyan ravine
You need a board to bifurcate that
cursive wharf
5 main displays will be a stretch without dual gpu
Is it tho? It is just desktop stuff, not intensive stuff.
cyan ravine
Ah but m2_3 gets turned off if the 3rd pcie slot is used
cyan ravine
Nvm livemixer out
austere condor
like i said, Mobo is hard to find
i think i looked at the taichi and the proART
as the only two optinos in the past
but idk if thats still the same
cyan ravine
He's got too many devices for it tho
austere condor
like i said, im almost to the point where i need to go threadripper
mossy venture
X670e steel legend?
mossy venture
And much worse in gaming lol
austere condor
thats why im like... 6950x3d lookin kinda hot rn
lol
but the dual CCD thing was a concern
cyan ravine
Having got one
mossy venture
I think its gonna be 9950x3d?
cyan ravine
It's not been an issue
cursive wharf
I still havent seen anything about iGPUs struggle with dual QHD@165hz displays tho
cyan ravine
@gentle pollen could also confirm, he's said the same to me
austere condor
7955WX doesnt even seem purchaseable yet
cyan ravine
You might find the odd egg out, but like I said, process lasso exists
cursive wharf
I still havent seen anything about iGPUs struggle with dual QHD@165hz displays t...
I want smth to state otherwise before we rule out iGPU
cyan ravine
I want smth to state otherwise before we rule out iGPU
I'm making the basis off my experience with a 1650
cursive wharf
AMD also did a classic AMD with not naming their hecking iGPU, so researching is more annoying
cyan ravine
It barely did 4k60
austere condor
also running an Nvidia GPU with AMD iGPU at the same time
cyan ravine
1440p 165hz I believe is higher
austere condor
gonna be fun driver issues
cyan ravine
also running an Nvidia GPU with AMD iGPU at the same time
I do that in my laptop
Idk how well it translates but, been fine after a year
cyan ravine
AMD also did a classic AMD with not naming their hecking iGPU, so researching is...
Radeon 720m
Ye it's a 2cu rdna 3
About 1/6th of a 780m
Or 1/6 ~1650/1650super
It'll do basic things really, but not much more
austere condor
@cyan ravine
ProART X670e-creator
Asrock X670e Taichi
i think those are teh two that can do dual GPU properly. unless there's a cheaper option?
cursive wharf
I'm making the basis off my experience with a 1650
Just make stuff like browsers run off the dGPU (video decode for YT and such), basically make sure the iGPU isnt doing anything other then video output
cyan ravine
<@101107951401455616>
ProART X670e-creator
Asrock X670e Taichi
i think those ...
If they support proper bifurcation then yes
A lot of x670's I'm seeing force pretty appropriate lanes anyway per slot
So I don't think it'll weigh in too much
cyan ravine
Just make stuff like browsers run off the dGPU (video decode for YT and such), b...
I'd agree if it's just one screen
austere condor
If they support proper bifurcation then yes
easiest way to check?
cyan ravine
Mobo website
They should list direct bifurcation support
Boards that do support this off the top of my head are maximus
austere condor
** PCIEX16_3 shares bandwidth with M.2_3 slot. Please adjust in BIOS setting to enable PCIEX16_3.
cyan ravine
Heh
austere condor
ok, so only two functioning M.2 slots
cyan ravine
Same answer as livemixer
cyan ravine
Have a look at a maximus
Or in this case sorry crosshair
Forgot amd side is different name
cyan ravine
And I don't normally suggest crosshair but there's a lot of specific needs
cyan ravine
So proart does pcie 3.0 slot 3?
austere condor
cursive wharf
3 displays main GPU
2 displays secondary
1 VR headset main GPU
Going back to this, anyone know if you can plug in five video connects and select what four you want via software? Doubt Demon is using 5 displays and VR headset at same time.
austere condor
only thing im concerned about is the spacing on the slots
lol
that 4080 is thicc
weary galleon
That’s really cool. Is it good tho?
I think it's pretty good but maybe look on YouTube
cyan ravine
You could get a vertical mount
austere condor
oh god
cyan ravine
If the m2000 is thin enough
austere condor
the M2000
austere condor
austere condor
and i still need room in the third slot, yeah
for the capture card
but thats a half height card
cyan ravine
It would fit, you would need to vert mount a ways out from the main slots tho
I did this years ago with an ez-diyfab vert mount
That was...a spelling error and a half
Lmao
austere condor
how much would doing all that cost
compared to just buying something like a X670e ace
WAIT
crosshair
cyan ravine
Should do
austere condor
PCIe slots are perfect for it
top slot, lots of spacing
bottomg slot and a 1x
is perfect for the M2000 + capture car
cyan ravine
Is the hd60 1x or 4x
austere condor
1x
cyan ravine
Oh I thought it was 4x
Nvm
Well crosshair looks like an option
I'd be stunned if that had lacklustre usb
austere condor
crosshair
cursive wharf
Going back to this, anyone know if you can plug in five video connects and selec...
Anyone know much about this? Could still go iGPU route if this is possible.
cyan ravine
Anyone know much about this? Could still go iGPU route if this is possible.
I believe you could disable a screen, but I'd worry for driver issues
Nvidia doesn't play nicely with lots of screen shuffling
Better than amd but not without issues
cursive wharf
Poor soul just got ghost pinged
austere condor
you have $1100 more to play with
@mossy venture
i knew it would be around 2 grand
lol
cyan ravine
austere condor
already at $1600 for CPU/board/ram alone
cyan ravine
Crosshair is just one option
I mean really, go for the cheapest you can find
Seems x670/e is the play here
Maybe b650e?
austere condor
yeah i cant, only one that is a maybe is the proart at $470ish
cyan ravine
I think b650e also has the added lanes
austere condor
but the spacing doesnt seem enough
B650e is all gen 4 or 5 lanes
X670 is two B650 chipsets for more IO
cyan ravine
Well alternatively, you could go for like that gaming x
And buy an ultra wide
Then only 1 gpu+igpu
cursive wharf
I'd be nice if there was an am5 list like there was for am4
cyan ravine
You could use that instead of two 1440 165's up top
austere condor
case is very much personal preference, i wouldnt take the G500a. i wanna try something different
cyan ravine
And water is extreme overkill, 7950x3d peaks at 160w with pbo
At 73C on my rig lmao
Dual tower will handle 160w easily
austere condor
cyan ravine
AM5 is less a case of power requisite, more a case of good contact
Since the ihs is so thick
It's a bottleneck for heat transfer
austere condor
i like the G500a, but yeah. personal rig im gonna find something more interesting
cyan ravine
That would be more than enough
austere condor
forget where i put it, lol
obsidian wigeon
i think you can ask noctua for one
cyan ravine
Is it not just the am4 mount
obsidian wigeon
am4 mount works tho if you have one
obsidian wigeon
oh lol
crimson zinc
I think it's pretty good but maybe look on YouTube
I’ve checked a few videos. Seems perfect. Now only if it came in Snow White or sky blue. 
obsidian wigeon
damn
cyan ravine
Black or white colour
crimson zinc
I just saw that
obsidian wigeon
12 a pop for noctuas
crimson zinc
That settles the cooler
obsidian wigeon
oop
cyan ravine
I think that's what it is
cyan ravine
Those are good, but more costly iirc for similar
cyan ravine
Noctua A's are really good, I'd trust in the GT derivative personally and go thermalright
TL B14's would be way cheaper
austere condor
maybe do case fans as the B14's
cyan ravine
Ye that would work
I mean either way if you have decent fans, use em
Depends on your level of investment
crimson zinc
Now I just gotta find a space age looking case
austere condor
Lol
austere condor
cyan ravine
Same thing 
austere condor
These were good a long time ago
cyan ravine
I'd have no idea about those
Only that pretty much all of their current ones are rubbish
cyan ravine
Lol
cyan ravine
Yes those are loud
austere condor
I have some crazy fans too