building-and-recc-chat

[crimson zinc]

And planning hobbies for it too.

[mossy venture]

You're good

[plucky timber]

Ooooooh nice

What are you going to use the pc for

[crimson zinc]

I’m getting into 3D modeling and video editing for a few friends

[plucky timber]

sounds exciting

[lunar bone]

Hello people. Is it worth going for the Jonsbo d31 mesh version instead of the normal one? Does it give better airflow or is it just for looks?

[weary galleon]

I'm not seeing a non-mesh version

Looks like the default is the glass panel and a mesh piece ok the front

If there's a mesh side panel available, yes that will help with airflow

[lunar bone]

The front panel is mesh

Side panel is still glass

[tawny violet]

considering it's a chimney-style case

there is probably advantage, but minimal

most of the airflow comes from the bottom

that being said

[mossy venture]

Depends

If you are using front fans, mesh is definitely better

[tawny violet]

If it's not a lot more expensive I'd say get the mesh version (like ~5% price diff is fair)

[mossy venture]

If you're doing intake fans on the bottom, exhaust on the top and back, that's fine

[tawny violet]

there is basically no downside to getting the mesh

[lunar bone]

Alright thanks for the info. Wont be putting fans on the front but will get the mesh version just in case

[tawny violet]

You can angle the PSU so that the fans go to the mesh then

and let it draw in air from there (if you have the GPU clearance for it anyway)

do you wanna get the one with the screen?

[mossy venture]

What?

[lunar bone]

Nah without

[tawny violet]

yeah you should be able to then

IIRC the mesh non-screen is all mesh

[lunar bone]

Wdym by 'angle the gpu'?

Psu*

[tawny violet]

mounting it with the fan towards the outside

[mossy venture]

Why tho

[tawny violet]

it's an option

I'm not saying it's the best option

[lunar bone]

.

[tawny violet]

I'd assume that's for the one with the solid front

[lunar bone]

Yeah

[tawny violet]

with the mesh front it can breathe through the mesh

but again the difference is going to be miniscule if it's even noticable

[lunar bone]

Ah

Well either way good to knoe

Know

Thanks

[tawny violet]

np

[mossy venture]

I'm so confused. Then why recommend it?

[tawny violet]

I think it's better but I don't have empirical data to back it up

[mossy venture]

Ah ok

Thought you were saying it was a possibility and then were saying it's worse to do it lol

Mb

[tawny violet]

Yeah I'd think the PSU breathing through the mesh and get fresh air is better

but I dunno if that would really affect anything

that's why I asked whether it's one with the screen or without

cuz the one with the screen I don't think can have the PSU breathe through the front

[potent portal]

Generally it doesn't but in certain cases where there's a lot more intake than exhaust, or vice versa, it can make a minor difference in noise or dust.

[tawny violet]

Yeah that's fair

Realistically it's gonna have a very minor impact if it does have any
And I can't vouch whether that impact will be positive or not
But logic would say that the PSU getting fresh air directly from the outside through the front mesh wouldn't hurt

[cyan ravine]

@lunar bone you can angle the psu towards the front for mesh intake but it won't matter with the screen in front. Mesh basically makes no difference unless you mount an intake fan physically onto the front which isn't really needed

The full mini hdmi screen will obstruct all the same as if the case wasn't mesh to begin with

Basically:

• PSU can rotate to face the front mesh

• PSU can't it'll choke

Though with the screen, if the psu is mounted really low it's still possible not to be obstructed

But you lose a boatload of gpu space in doing so

Usually iirc config 2 or 3 is ideal, otherwise config 1 for say a 240mm aio

And really unless the psu is in config 1 or 2 there isn't really any room anyway for a front fan lol

[rustic linden]

😍😍

[cyan ravine]

Nice

[rough totem]

Why is it that Nvidia cards only have one fan? or are there two more on the other side?

[pearl fjord]

Hello-- anyone here that can help with Motherboard selection?

[weary galleon]

The FE cards have 2 fans, one on each side

[fossil cedar]

Whatcha looking for

[rough totem]

Oh neat. Is that not better or worse, just different?

[weary galleon]

Probably not noticeably better or worse in most cases

Perhaps overengineered

[rough totem]

Ha. Looks cool, though

[weary galleon]

A 3 fan card with a decent heatsink will probably be cooler/quieter

[pseudo pollen]

But bigger

[crimson zinc]

3 fan cards >>>>>

[pseudo pollen]

Custom watercooling>>>

[cyan ravine]

Air cooling >>>>

Water is such a pain

[pseudo pollen]

I mean, in terms of temps water is better

[cyan ravine]

Just different, they use a iirc axial design

[cyan ravine]

Not really on the high end now

My 4090 is worse on water than air

Better mem clock but worse temps

[pseudo pollen]

That's really weird

[cyan ravine]

Only real excuses for water these days are the i9's, and maybe 7950x

Late i7's

[cyan ravine]

It's just that big of a heatsink

[fossil cedar]

mehh

[cyan ravine]

The thermal mass is greater than that of a good radiator

And excellent coldplate design

The XTX I have is very much in that same strain

Nitro+ cooler is very good too

[fossil cedar]

air cooling also has a lot of benefits too

[cyan ravine]

It does

[fossil cedar]

like no possibilty of pump failing etc

[cyan ravine]

No freaking maintenance that drives you nuts

No small error causing a full rebuild

[fossil cedar]

oh yeah a cutstom loop would drive me insane

id never ever build a custom loop

[cyan ravine]

My next builds will be air 1000%

I just see no reason to not use what I have rn

[fossil cedar]

max id do is an aio on the cpu but honeslty my d15 is handling my 13600k enough that i dont really wanna invest in one

[cyan ravine]

Real take from me

I probably won't do any i9 or i7 next build

[fossil cedar]

ryzen?

[cyan ravine]

AMD can be annoying af when broken but when it works it's solid

But I don't need water

I just want air

I can take fans out in 10 minutes

Run compressed air through my coolers

Done in an hour instead of half/full day

[fossil cedar]

yeah screw that

[shut rampart]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6hfmWt

I have some spare parts list above and I want to build a pc that is for web surfing / light gaming any list

[cyan ravine]

Is that ur spare stuff

[shut rampart]

yes

[cyan ravine]

So you want light gaming? Or full competency

[shut rampart]

light gaming

[vague oracle]

Nah that’s just a skill issue

[shut rampart]

its for my mom and she doesn't play that games too much just web surfing thats all

[fossil cedar]

@shut rampart would do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bg98Xk

[fossil cedar]

If it's only web browsing, then sell your 5700xt and get a 5600g then imo

[vague oracle]

If it’s mostly for web surfing, why not sell the 5700xt and buy like a 5600g or something with an iGPU

[vague oracle]

LOL

Beat me to it by less than a second

[fossil cedar]

Great minds think alike

[crimson zinc]

I’ve been looking for a high end fan to replace this for my 4090

[fossil cedar]

Huh

[vague oracle]

Huh

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mHCrWt
But I'd consider a new psu

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-13719248636774070662

[vague oracle]

…that ain’t how gpu cooling works anymore

[crimson zinc]

Wait

[vague oracle]

Only gpu AIO I know of is that alphacool one

[shut rampart]

I think I tried to sell my gpu but someone offer like 100 - 200 for it

[cyan ravine]

That's a cpu aio sir

[shut rampart]

do u think thats a worth price

[fossil cedar]

Yep about 150 I'd say

[cyan ravine]

They're almost like a 6600xt

[crimson zinc]

Shut

[vague oracle]

Shame this ain’t 2022

[cyan ravine]

I'd keep

[shut rampart]

I have some artic fans so I can use that

[cyan ravine]

Ez

[vague oracle]

He’s right tho

[crimson zinc]

I know, I’m an idiot

That’s well documented

[vague oracle]

Lolllll

[cyan ravine]

It's better performing but worse temps

Not skill issue

[vague oracle]

Skill issue

Ahh wait, it’s cause you’re in Australia

All the water is in the cpu block

[cyan ravine]

Idk man

[fossil cedar]

They said it's for their mom so basically 0 gaming

[vague oracle]

[cyan ravine]

49c to 51c is a regression

[vague oracle]

Get a better ambient

[shut rampart]

im going to check if I have another cpu cuz I remember I upgrade my cpu

[fossil cedar]

I'd just take the money and get a 5600g

[vague oracle]

35c 4090>>>

[cyan ravine]

Could do that

[cyan ravine]

Mine idles at like 20 lmao

Get a better 4090 pleb

[vague oracle]

Mine idles at 5

[cyan ravine]

Damn talk about better ambient

[vague oracle]

My ambient rn is below 0C

[cyan ravine]

What's it winter over there must be nice smhmh

Mid summer here

[vague oracle]

My ambient during mid summer was 5C, git gud

ACs ftw

[cyan ravine]

Bro's living like 5 minutes from santa

Santa knockin on the door like "TURN DOWN UR PC FANS U PC PLEB FS"

[vague oracle]

Got 2 ACs that I modded to cool down to 40F

[cyan ravine]

Jesus

Well you've definitely got me beat in the commitment department

[vague oracle]

Then my coolant delta dropped to a solid 0 after replacing the fans

[cyan ravine]

In exchange for a server room style noise floor

change to B12's reeee

[vague oracle]

Nah I run them at 50-60 and they’re fairly quiet

[vague oracle]

NAH

[cyan ravine]

B12 >>>>>

P28's >>>>

Forget yo delta

[vague oracle]

My dorm’s HVAC is louder than my pc rn

THEY AINT NO DELTAS

[cyan ravine]

I'll hvac u in a minute

[cyan ravine]

Pff practically are

[vague oracle]

I’m boutta B your 12 in a minute

[cyan ravine]

FWWEEEE

[cyan ravine]

That sounds illegal

https://tenor.com/view/wait-thats-illegal-halo-meme-gif-14048618

[vague oracle]

😉

[cyan ravine]

Guys if you don't hear from me again

We went down off a bridge in a merc

https://tenor.com/view/smash-car-crash-fall-gif-16812258

[vague oracle]

I want to buy a MacBook so badly but I know I shouldn’t

[cyan ravine]

Apple silicon is fun

I'm here to tell you it's good

[mossy venture]

@shut rampart on a budget I'd take a look at amazon warehouse for a mobo, there's some really nice deals there

And psus

Last I saw, $75 B tier 850w cooler master mwe gold v2

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-gif-15112361227290036695

[jagged ember]

Apple refurbished can bring the price down

[fossil cedar]

Gf1 850w is like 85$ or something atm

Owo

[mossy venture]

Looks like the 850 is oos but the 750 is still $80, also a great choice
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x4hv6h/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-2024-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-p

[lone flame]

will that actually be quiet under load

[mossy venture]

I dont see why not, unless Thermaltake used a cheap fan

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kVyH99/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-2024-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-p

Ah 90 sorry

[mossy venture]

Oh weird it didn't show up when I sorted by 650w+ and $0-$90

[fossil cedar]

Uh

🤷

[manic cloak]

I clicked it so fast but I was like..

Hmmm

[plucky timber]

upgraded to a better power supply

Sus

[runic spruce]

Rule #1, don’t buy a used psu that seems like a good deal

Jk

[crimson zinc]

Rule #1; don’t but used psus

[obsidian wigeon]

probably missing cables

but it either has a problem or coil whine

or just missing cables (which adds cost anyway)

[mossy venture]

I just don't trust a used psu

I'd rather spend an extra $35-45 for something I know isn't faulty

$35 more gets you gf1 750

[crimson zinc]

There’s no reason to buy a used PSU
It is the sole component you need warranty on, and can’t do anything without

If it blows, your entire setup is toast

[leaden mauve]

how is that sus

[leaden mauve]

used psus are usually fine, it's a case-by-case kind of thing.

[crimson zinc]

Unless they have a transferable warranty, there’s no reason

Unless they’re easily replaceable parts

[strong raft]

Plenty of deals around, even hws sometimes. I mean new, of course used can be cheaper.

[leaden mauve]

yea you can save money buying used, who wouldve thought.

[leaden mauve]

literally

[crimson zinc]

Buy any other part used

But never skimp on a PSU

[leaden mauve]

and my power supply if i want to

buying used doesnt have to mean skimping out on quality 😂

[crimson zinc]

I’m not saying it is

[leaden mauve]

im not using this as an argument, but whats funny is the only PSU ive ever had problems with was new from the factory

and it literally blew up

[crimson zinc]

Why would you place your entire build in the hands of a PSU with no warranty

[leaden mauve]

because I know the PSU will work anyway.

and my judgement has almost always been correct on that sort of thing

[crimson zinc]

but if it blows, you’re not getting any money back to rebuild?

[leaden mauve]

yea the .0001% chance it explodes and destroys my whole PC

[crimson zinc]

Until your judgement is wrong and boom, you’re screwed over because you bought used

[leaden mauve]

like i said, buying used PSUs and determining if they're a safe buy is a case-by-case sort of thing

[dusky hearth]

It is quite rare for a PSU to blow and kill the entire pc

[crimson zinc]

Or just don’t risk it in general

[leaden mauve]

im not saying always buy used, just thats it's a very valid option

bro isnt listening to what im saying

there is no risk when you know what to look for 😂

[crimson zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-rock-opinions-facts-discord-logging-into-discord-gif-25901604

[pseudo pollen]

There is always a risk when buying anything, but it is substantially higher when you buy used

[crimson zinc]

Even if everything seems perfect

[plucky timber]

Flips

A used good psu is better than a cheap bomb psu

[mossy venture]

True, but a new good psu is a safer choice than either. I would 100% spend an extra $35-45 to assure the safety of my pc unless i have the lowest of low budgets

[plucky timber]

True

Especially if you got expensive parts in there

[shut rampart]

how much does a desktop weigh

[plucky timber]

What parts are inside the desktop?

We don't know the weight unless we know the parts

[shut rampart]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G4LMXk

[plucky timber]

I'm about to get on a plane so

[shut rampart]

should I buy a standing desk or a siting desk

[plucky timber]

Can't really help you out here

[plucky timber]

Personal preference

[shut rampart]

isn't standing more $

[plucky timber]

I mean

It depends on the use case

What are you using it for

Do you need a standing desk?

[shut rampart]

so I dont sit for the computer too long

and die

[plucky timber]

I don't think that's a desk issue

Ok so a standing desk is just an elevated desk...

Is this a scam lol

Sounds like an elaborate scheme to get people to pay for new desks

[shut rampart]

I will just go with the basic

[leaden mauve]

case-by-case

[shut rampart]

alex draws and IDÅSEN or BEKANT

[plucky timber]

IKEA I persume

[shut rampart]

si

[plucky timber]

Do IKEA sell ones that can actually support the weight of a desktop?

I've had an IKEA desk that is just sagging where my desktop used to sit

[shut rampart]

well I am using one siting desk and I can tell u its working

and not caving in

[plucky timber]

Solution is to not put it on the desk

[plucky timber]

From IKEA?

[shut rampart]

yes

[plucky timber]

Do you need a new desk

[shut rampart]

yes

[plucky timber]

Not enough space?

[shut rampart]

my mom wants one

[plucky timber]

Fair enough

Well

[shut rampart]

well

[plucky timber]

Get one with material that you know won't sag

Just to be on the safe size

Desktops can be very heavy

Depending on the configuration of course

Then again I had an whole Enthoo Pro 2 on it

That is a very heavy case

[shut rampart]

whats the avg weigh for a pc

60 lb?

[plucky timber]

There is no average

[shut rampart]

welp

[plucky timber]

It is case by case

You're gonna have to add up all the weight of the individual components

Give or take a few hundred grams

Or just weigh the pc

When you have it

[crimson zinc]

This

[pseudo pollen]

Alright, I need some help, I have a virus on my pc rn, and I'm trying to run TronScript to get rid of it, but it won't load. Nothing loads except wallpaper engine somehow (my ethernet cable has been unplugged so it won't spread). What should I do to get rid of the virus? Running windows 10 btw

[crimson zinc]

Avira is a decent malware detector

[pseudo pollen]

the thing is nothing loads

[crimson zinc]

Run windows defender

[pseudo pollen]

It found stuff, but it can't do anything about it

[crimson zinc]

Ask #general-chat for more info

[mossy venture]

NO

NONO

The only anti virus you should pay for is malwarebytes. If Avira is the one I'm thinking of it's actively malware and is worse than win defender, but I could be thinking of the wrong one

[pseudo pollen]

Hmm

[mossy venture]

Wait im thinking of avast

[mossy venture]

Avira might be fine idk

[pseudo pollen]

Windows broke

[mossy venture]

Try running cmd prompt as adming and running sfc/scannow

Then see if nothing will load still

And im assuming you tried a restart

[pseudo pollen]

This screen is a first for me

But I have tried restarting, but it just infinitely loads

[mossy venture]

You might just be stuck with doing a fresh install of windows honestly

[pseudo pollen]

Just spammed the keyboard and now it's back to normal?

[mossy venture]

You could try searching for the file location and deleting it

[pseudo pollen]

That's what I'm thinking

Just need to get data off of it

I have 3 drives though

Whenever I run Tron, I get stuck on this screen

[potent portal]

Can confirm Avira is ok, but the free version isn't any better than windows defender. They do have a rescue CD I keep in my back pocket that lets you scan in offline mode, it helps dig out pesky rootkits.

[pseudo pollen]

Just gonna let it load for a while and see what it does

[mossy venture]

Ah alright thanks, good to know

[potent portal]

The rescue cd is here https://www.avira.com/en/downloads#tab_a3_0

Seriously, it's good to keep on your ventoy multiboot usb drive. You never know when you'll need it.

[pseudo pollen]

Tron finally started running, gonna wait and see if it fixes it

[potent portal]

(it boots linux so near zero chance of the rescue being blocked/infected)

[limber oyster]

https://custom.cablemod.com/437c2208d87c

I think this is all I need

[pseudo pollen]

Tron finished running overnight, it seems to have made my computer better, but I'm still running avira just in case

[rough totem]

I think I might return my 12900k and get a 14700kf

[fossil cedar]

if you can might as well ye

or 13700k tbh

should be less money and just as good

[rough totem]

But +4 cores

[fossil cedar]

meh theyre e cores

what do you use your pc for?

[rough totem]

Big games and maybe a little 3D modeling

[fossil cedar]

not a huge diff, a lil in 3d modelling maybe but unless youre compliling games or something its gonna make no diff there

13700k would be a single core improvemnt though

[rough totem]

Are there average temperature differences between the three 1700 CPU generations?

[fossil cedar]

iirc 13700k/14700k is a bit cooler than 12900k

but if you check reviews youll find that out quickly

[vague oracle]

Barely, 14700k still runs fairly hot

I wouldn’t bother with swapping 12900k to 14700k just for gaming

Even in 3d modeling barely, unless you’re already maxing out your CPU, not much point

[rough totem]

But, I'd be returning the 129, not selling it

[vague oracle]

If you need to pay extra on top of the return , not worth it

[rough totem]

Is that a possibility for a used return, even within the hassle-free return window?

[mossy venture]

13600k/13700k/14600k are good options too btw

How much did the 12900k cost? $350?

[rough totem]

315

I went nuts on black friday

[mossy venture]

That's pretty decent

13600k all around is the same/better tho, I think is $280 rn?

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5008vs4597vs5060vs5719/Intel-i5-13600K-vs-Intel-i9-12900K-vs-Intel-i7-13700K-vs-Intel-i7-14700K

[rough totem]

Exactly 6% performance difference in 129's favor

If I'm reading this right

[mossy venture]

Yeah sorry

But look down further at single thread

Theyre near identical for that, and multi thread 13700k pulls ahead, as well as a good bit better single thread

13700kf is $350 tho

[rough totem]

Newegg has it for 330 right now

[mossy venture]

Oh nice

[proper oxide]

Why can't I upload pictures 😭😭

[lyric thistle]

Keep talking and you will be able to

[potent portal]

Anti spam measures. Once your name turns green you can.

[rough totem]

I should maybe only look at benchmarks, but the RAM speed stats between 12th and 13/14th gens bother me

[potent portal]

The motherboard matters more than the CPU for RAM speed honestly

I've seen a 12600k run at 7800 mt/s with nothing extra on the memory or cooling

But it was on a good Z790 board

[mossy venture]

13th and 14th gen like ddr5 a lot, they lost up to ~10% performance on ddr4 compared to a decent ddr5 cmp. A decent z790 and a hynx kit and you'll see a pretty big improvement in performance

Or a b760 if you don't plan to tune ram too much

[rough totem]

My board is a z690

[mossy venture]

What model?

[rough totem]

Asus TUF Gaming Wifi

[mossy venture]

That's mediocre

Won't be able to tune beyond like 6800mhz (i dont think, dont quote me on that) but you could definitely do 6000c30

[potent portal]

15% in a lot of games

[mossy venture]

Damn

Crying here with a 13600k on ddr4

[potent portal]

That's anything 12600k/13400 or higher

[mossy venture]

It's 3600c16 at least now

[rough totem]

I needed to do more research before pulling the trigger on this build. I'd been out of the loop on computer parts for a while

[crimson zinc]

Feel free to ask for builds. Or just advise.

Give us your current idea of what you want.

A pcpp list

[mossy venture]

What do you already own

And what is your budget

[rough totem]

Here in pcpp form is my current build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jc9RHG

[mossy venture]

Ok, and what is returnable and what are you looking to upgrade

[rough totem]

The PSU is an expy, PCPP doesn't have SAMA brand in its database

Same wattage and rating, though

and modularity

[mossy venture]

Wait what model from sama?

Model is super important with psus especially

A bad psu can kill a pc, and the 80+ rating doesn't mean much

[rough totem]

I meant they're both platinum

[mossy venture]

That doesn't mean much

There's very bad platinum psus

[rough totem]

Dang

Anyway, it's this
https://www.newegg.com/p/1HU-02S6-00015?Item=9SIB41TJD39002

Wait

I mean this
https://www.newegg.com/sama-xp-series-xp1000w-1000-w/p/1HU-02S6-00039?Item=9SIB41TJUN7392

[mossy venture]

It's atx 3.0 so it's likely not terrible, how much was it?

And is it returnable or nah?

Oh also how much were the ssds

[rough totem]

10 days left on return, and I got it for $120

[mossy venture]

Ah alr, I'm putting a list together rn of what I'd personally do, and you can choose what you want to swap out. I also don't know what prices you paid for everything in there, so that also affects it

[rough totem]

1tb Samsung - $80
4tb Western Digital - $230

I could go back and manually type in all the prices

[mossy venture]

How much was the ram?

That's the last question I've got

[rough totem]

RAM was $210

[mossy venture]

Alr, this with the ram you already have
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYMyyg

Thats my opinion, and gpu you can fill in as you want. That psu can handle a 4090, so literally whatever you want to go for.

[rough totem]

Exactly why I went for it. Didn't want to have to worry about it, and the price was good

[mossy venture]

Or there's this, which is also a decent bit better than the Sama one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YDJp99/thermaltake-toughpower-gf-a3-tt-premium-edition-1200-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-1200fnfage-h

[crimson zinc]

The 4000D looks so weird without any colour in it

[mossy venture]

It looks like the Sama XF, the older version, is B tier on the tier list in #cases-psu-and-cooling

The XP hasn't been reviewed yet since it's so new, so I don't know if it's good or bad.

Personally it's a gamble, especially with a psu I would rather be certain, but it isn't my pc nor my money

[rough totem]

Imagine using reviews instead of looking at stats

[mossy venture]

Um?

What stats?

[rough totem]

I'm being facetious

[mossy venture]

The wattage and 80+ rating?

Ah

[rough totem]

Are newegg user reviews not to be trusted?

[mossy venture]

Eh, they tend to be very skewed

The tier list is put together by a few very well known names, aris and Luke (I forget their full internet names but it says it on the list I think), and I think a third person as well. There's a good few of them out there, Linus has one as well but I trust this one more.

Luke has been in this server for a bit (might still be idk) and I've had some conversations with him. He's very intelligent and knows what he's talking about

[rough totem]

I got a 240mm radiator because I thought a 360 wouldn't fit in the roof of the 4000D

[mossy venture]

It fits front mount I believe, not top

If you go for a 240mm you might as well just go for a good dual tower, like phantom spirit

$35, just as good, lasts much longer

Could also do a 280mm, not sure if 4000d airflow can fit a top mount 280

[rough totem]

It would be a tight fit against the ram sticks, I've read

[mossy venture]

Ah alr

[rough totem]

It seems like the Sabrent drive you recommended is slower than my Samsung?

[mossy venture]

The speed doesn't really matter for most people, 3d modeling and gaming aren't one of the few tasks that benefit from higher write speed. Random write speeds are what's more important, but comparing between a gen 3 and gen 4 drive in gaming you don't see a difference.

The rocket is just similar tier and $20 less while providing the same experience

[rough totem]

What about Windows?

[mossy venture]

Gen 3 or slow gen 4 compared to something like that you'd see a bit of a difference, but not between the rocket and the Samsung drive

[rough totem]

I'm using the 1tb for my windows drive. Is that wrong?

[mossy venture]

I mean you could easily just have the 4tb drive as your only drive. Would just want to leave ~300gb free at all times at least

[crimson zinc]

Would suggest 2 separate drives(but that’s just be being a paranoid lil weenie)

[mossy venture]

The having two separate drives thing comes from having a boot ssd and a secondary hdd, but ssds are so cheap now you don't really need hdds unless you need tons and tons of storage

[rough totem]

I can't believe we're up to 22 gb now

[mossy venture]

64gb ram also likely isn't required, could do a 48gb kit around $160-170

[rough totem]

yes, but, big number go up good

[mossy venture]

I mean more ram can potentially cause lower performance, like with ram tuning a 48gb kit would likely tune better

But unless you're super into ram tuning it's not a big deal here

As long as you don't use 4 sticks or 1 stick, you're good

[rough totem]

Yeah, I returned a second kit of these after reading about that kind of trouble

[mossy venture]

Ah good

Also you could do a few different routes with monitor

Ima link some options

[rough totem]

The return deadline for the monitor has already passed, but I'm still listening

Is the curved style a scam?

[mossy venture]

Ah alr, then there's no point in replacing it but if you want to see the options I already have some links pulled up

[rough totem]

Yeah, go ahead

[mossy venture]

Eh, curved normally means a VA panel, which is typically inferior to IPS especially for image quality

VA has some strengths but IPS overall is better

[rough totem]

I do remember reading all about the difference there

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/W6QKHx/msi-g272qpf-270-2560-x-1440-170-hz-monitor-g272qpf
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k8GnTW/gigabyte-m27q-270-2560x1440-170-hz-monitor-m27q
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Lv4Zxr/acer-acer-nitro-xv272u-w2bmiiprx-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-umhx2aa201

[rough totem]

A long time ago, anyway, but I hadn't forgotten

[mossy venture]

And then there's the 34" one in the pcpartpicker list I linked earlier

[rough totem]

What about OLED vs IPS?

[mossy venture]

Oled is great, prices on OLEDs are said to be coming down this year too.

Right now there's a sale for one for $600, but the question is is it really worth almost 3x a solid 1440p 170hz IPS monitor

Ah nvm that sale ended

Lemme check what the cheapest is rn

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C9L9MQF3?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

And https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cRNxFT/lg-27gr95qe-b-265-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-27gr95qe-b

The model of monitor doesn't really matter when it comes to OLED, there's only two oled panels atm, one from LG one from Samsung, and both are great.

That's likely changing this year tho

[rough totem]

Nano IPS?
https://www.newegg.com/black-lg-ultragear-34gn850-b-34/p/N82E16824026027

[mossy venture]

Oled>

Nano ips not worth it over IPS at that price diff

Oh also the dudes name is Luke savenije

[rough totem]

@mossy venture Do you think there's much difference between my cooler and your reccomendation?

[mossy venture]

Yes, on a 14700k or a 12900k it would be a major difference

They are hot cpus

A 280mm would also be fine

[rough totem]

What idle temps would you expect the two to have?

[mossy venture]

Anywhere from 20-38c or something like that idk

It varies a lot

Idle Temps don't mean much typically unless it's really high, like 80c+

[rough totem]

What about in benchmark software? Or some other stress test?

[mossy venture]

It still varies a lot, but the 12900k is pretty toasty, id imagine in the high 70s at least in a multi core stress test, gpu like 60s- low 80s depending on model

[rough totem]

Celcius?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yes

[manic cloak]

13600k idle on a z690 ddr4 tuf gaming wifi with a pa120 se on it is around 28-30C

Lian li 205 Mesh type C case on 35% ram speed btw

If that helps you

Imo, the 12900k is gonna run just as hot as the 13600k on a pa120 se. I don’t worry about my CPU temps cause I know they stay cool, unless I hear and see my pc throttling

As if something’s going on. Which never happened to me before, and the PA120 SE has always kept it at good temps under 100% loads

[rough totem]

This 240mm Deepcool has been keeping my 12900k it down around that much. I Guess I should have asked if a Deepcool 360mm would compare to the one you recommended

[manic cloak]

Do you have a 12900k with the LS520 se?

[rough totem]

Yes

Wait. is the SE the one I have?

I don't think mine is the SE

[manic cloak]

Idk, but honestly if your CPU is at good temps I wouldn’t really worry about upgrading to a 360mm

Or even 280mm tbf

[rough totem]

That's what I was getting at

[manic cloak]

The best you could do is repaste some good thermal paste on your CPU and get the thermaltake cpu block thingy

Which stops the “cpu from bending” (I’ve never seen it happen) and actually helps cool down the cpu by a few degrees, only 10$ too

[mossy venture]

Yes it would

But yeah what skyheva said

[limber oyster]

Question. Is there a kit to where I can make my own custom length PSU cables using the OEM cables?

[dusky hearth]

I dont think that there is a kit that you can just buy, but all you need is

• wire strippers and cutter
• 5557 pin removal tool
• new 5557 pins
• crimper for 5557/5559 pins
  you can reuse the terminal housing from the oem cables since it sounds like you plan on using those

⚠️ Warning: Make sure to connect all wires the same way as OEM for your psu or you will risk damaging your hardware and/or causing a fire

multimeter and ruler are good things to have as well to verify that all your pins are connected and crimped properly, and the ruler should help with keeping your cuts even

[limber oyster]

Hm...no soldering iron?

Sounds like all I need is the pin tool, pins, and a crimper

Is the crimper specific to those pins or can I use a regular wire crimper

[cyan ravine]

Just get extensions and repin them

Do NOT put together new cables by attaching your old ones together

It's $20

$20 is not worth a house fire

[limber oyster]

I see. I was originally gonna go through cable mod, but I didn't know if it's be cheaper and worth the hassle to do it myself

[dusky hearth]

but that's the fun part

[cyan ravine]

It's worth repinning existing cables imo, but making new cables takes a looonnnggg time

And ultimately may even cost more with all the tools

[limber oyster]

Ahh

Cause I was just gonna trim the existing cables

[dusky hearth]

true, you dont want to buy the cheapest tools because that would just make it hell lmao

[cyan ravine]

Go get like, ezdiy-fab 16awg extensions and repin them imo

[dusky hearth]

so you're going to be spending more than just 20 bucks

[cyan ravine]

Ye

100%

[dusky hearth]

just the tools would probably be like 40 lmao

[cyan ravine]

If you need them to be shorter then yeah go order from like, moddiy or cablemod

The former is cheaper

It's just a LOT of work and I'm guessing this is for managing the little itx box

[limber oyster]

https://store.cablemod.com/configurator/?load=437c2208d87c

[cyan ravine]

Even repinning can take hours

[limber oyster]

This is what I'm looking at

[limber oyster]

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

Try moddiy

Moddiy is good

[limber oyster]

How's the quality compare?

[cyan ravine]

As good

[limber oyster]

Ok

[cyan ravine]

They're more flexible

So it manages better

[limber oyster]

I mean, I'm not running a 4000rtx so...

[cyan ravine]

Even still

I used them since 3080 days

[limber oyster]

I meant quality wise

[cyan ravine]

Ye I said as good

[limber oyster]

Im not using a 12VHPWR THINGY

[cyan ravine]

They have 12vhpwr if you did need it tho

[dusky hearth]

you could have the highest quality 32 gauge wire in existence and that would not be able to handle a 4090 tbf

what matters more is just wire gauge; though i guess the nvidia power connector does suck lmfao

[cyan ravine]

It's really just the connector

Any half decent 2x8 pin will do 600w and that's what most 12vhpwr adapters are

Just 16 pins from pcie

[limber oyster]

Yeah, it's an over complicated fancy Nvidia proprietary connector

[cyan ravine]

I would make the case cablemod isn't the best quality imo anyway

I have really liked the ezdiyfab ones

They're very thick cables

Use those with custom metal combs they look great

Much more full look than cablemod

They're thicker gauge is why

[limber oyster]

Oohhh moddiy does 4" connectors

[cyan ravine]

Yes

They do custom lengths

And the price isn't terrible

They also do specific adapters for cards

[limber oyster]

$30 for a 4" cable 😂

Ik cable mod minimum length is like 150cm

[cyan ravine]

I don't really remember how much I normally pay but I definitely remember it's less than cablemod

[limber oyster]

Moddiy does 10cm minimum

I think I need like 6"...maybe

Im sure it's more than 4" but less than 8"...

I have measuring to do

Should I do hd sleeve?

[dusky hearth]

silicone would help with cable management

very flexible

on a different note, if you have a multimeter, definitely upgrade to silicone test leads because the included pvc ones for most multimeters are stiff and are bad

well, not "bad" as in it doesnt work, but bad as in it's just not as good

also it melts if you have anything hot

it melts at 70 degrees

[limber oyster]

My multimeter is an automotive standard multimeter

Spent $300 on the multimeter kit

[dusky hearth]

does it include pvc leads or silicone leads?

[limber oyster]

Idk, but it's made for up to 240V

[dusky hearth]

that is..... very low lmao

usually they can handle up to 600v

most on the market are for 600v at least, since that's a higher voltage than most people would ever encounter

anything higher is usually like, bench multimeters for labs and such

i cant say i've ever seen a multimeter that maxxes out at 240v though since 480v is realistically the highest voltage (well, 485 to give some headroom for voltage fluctuations) you will ever see as an electrician (working in the commercial space, not the power distribution space)

480v 3 phase is the highest voltage i see being used for machines in canada

generally only 240v though

[rough totem]

How about this motherboard?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8ybTwP/asus-rog-strix-z790-h-gaming-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-rog-strix-z790-h-gaming-wifi

[obsidian wigeon]

too much money

[rough totem]

But it has heat sinks and usb ports!

[obsidian wigeon]

most cheaper z boards have less but there's definitely enough

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k7mmP6/msi-pro-z790-p-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z790-p-wifi

something like this

[limber oyster]

I'll have to double check. I haven't used it in ages

[limber oyster]

I like Asus myself

But MSI is good. Better than gigabyte

[burnt spruce]

anyone can help me fix this ? my alt + tab suddenly looks like this.

[obsidian wigeon]

you pressed win+tab instead

press win+tab again to leave

[rain carbon]

I saw this on pcbuilder just lookin around at parts and found this, am i wrong to think this is horribly budgeted or?

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/V9hgXL

1600 with a 3070ti 😭

[strong raft]

\

[rain carbon]

Why is it 1000 dollars

Is it made of gold or

[strong raft]

CAD, and perhaps around covid peak or something

[rain carbon]

Oh shoot i didnt even realize it was in cad

Still tho

Thats almost 2k on something that could easily be outperformed at a lower price

[limber oyster]

Amazon prices

[deep raven]

That secondhand GTX 1080 Ti with 11G of VRAM looking real good right now

actually nevermind

I thought secondhand 1080 TIs were cheaper than what they're actually being listed at

Damn

[olive cypress]

Can someone help me identify case, motherboard and gpu?

[obsidian wigeon]

board is fm2

case is, well some cheap generic design

[olive cypress]

Ok, I'm a bit interested in these parts as I may get them for €40, looking at that PSU mostly

[obsidian wigeon]

it's probably an aerocool cylon

the case

[olive cypress]

Ok, thanks for the help. I'll see if such purchase would make sense

[burnt spruce]

Already okay thank you .

[upper condor]

Not sure where to put this. I’m bringing down a friends PC and monitor for him and it’s around 16 degrees Fahrenheit here. I was gonna leave it in the car cause I have to do some stuff, but I’m unsure if that temperature is unsafe

It’s packed up in like a towel and moving mats but it’d be in the cold for like 2h30m and just wanna make sure that won’t cause permanent damage.

Not sure if specs matter

[dusky hearth]

if it's off, then yes, you can store it in quite cold enviroments without damage

however, after bring it into the house or whatever, anywhere warm really, you need to keep the computer off and unplugged for... at least 2 hours i guess

as condensation may short some components

i would leave it to warm up to ambient for 6 hours to be safe

you should be able to safely store your pc in up to -40c/f

(i just found out that -40 is the same in both scales 💀)

[upper condor]

Alright sweet thanks

[languid nimbus]

They couldn’t have made it easy and 0 been the same

Someone just haaaad to be cute and make 32°F 0°C

[vague oracle]

The damn British just had to keep the US using the imperial system

[dusky hearth]

Apparently 0f is the freezing point of brine

[tawny violet]

Which is honestly meh

What specific brine?

How much salt to how much water? in gaming communities, usually way too much salt to nowhere near enough water for a shower

[weary galleon]

Probably water fully saturated with salt

[rain carbon]

It aint the US if it aint pointless measurement systems on oddly specific things

[covert vapor]

It was set to the lowest possible temperature at which brine froze or in other words, various mixtures of a specific salt and water were created until the salt stopped dissolving and then the lowest temperature at which the mixtures containing only dissolved salt froze became 0

And isn't technically set to that anymore as that temperature was later found to be 4 degrees F

[dusky hearth]

💀

[potent portal]

Surprise! Old measurement devices were inaccurate! Who could have guessed?

[weary galleon]

While it doesn't make sense scientifically, Farenheit does work well for weather

0: really cold
100: really hot

Under 50 almost everyone considers to be at least somewhat cold
Over 60 somewhat warm

[lyric thistle]

Easy as pie

30 is hot 20 is nice 10 is cool 0 is ice

[last fractal]

whats the best prebuilt under 1300 (can be a little over)

[mossy venture]

First option, I'm gonna link more just give me a bit
Check this out on @Newegg:Lenovo Gaming Desktop Legion T5 26IRB8 90UT000NUS Intel Core i7 13th Gen 13700F (2.10GHz) 8GB DDR5 512 GB PCIe SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Windows 11 Home 64-bit https://www.newegg.com/lenovo-90ut000nus-legion-t5-26irb8/p/1VK-0003-1N353?Item=1VK-0003-1N353&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-1VK-0003-1N353-_-01202024

This is pretty solid https://www.ebay.com/itm/234935686884?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=GEZuugFwQwS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[last fractal]

the model of 3060 or 4060ti

[last fractal]

any other pcs ???

[mossy venture]

3060 ti, and I don't know the model

[crimson zinc]

Are you able to build your own?

[last fractal]

no its a gift

[mossy venture]

And I said I'm still looking give me a few. Here's one more options, and I'm going to DM you the screenshots of parts I would change to with the "customize" feature
https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Daily-Deal-4060

Just dmed you

[little osprey]

hi my pc keeps rebooting when playing games and when it reboots my bluetooth disappears

i know how to fix this by unplugging for 5 min then repplugging

[mossy venture]

What power supply, gpu, and cpu do you have

[little osprey]

650 watt gold, 6700xt, 5600x

[mossy venture]

What model psu

[little osprey]

cooler master

[mossy venture]

Mwe gold v2?

[little osprey]

mae

mwe

yea

[mossy venture]

Alr good psu, so I'd try some other things first

What happens when it reboots?

Does anything pop up?

[little osprey]

everything seems to work except my bluetooth goes away

[little osprey]

no

[mossy venture]

It just shuts off, and then immediately turns back on?

[little osprey]

mhm

but the pc doesn’t turn off

[mossy venture]

My immediate thought there is psu, id try checking all of your connections

[little osprey]

okay 👍

[mossy venture]

Can also check windows event viewer after a reboot like that and see what's possibly causing it

[little osprey]

i don’t know if my psu is modular or not

[mossy venture]

I believe it's semi modular, let me check

It looks like there are a lot of mwe gold psus and some are, and some aren't

If you look at the psu you could tell

[little osprey]

kinda hard

[mossy venture]

Non modular

Fs

Also if the rest of your pc is that dusty I would recommend dusting it

[little osprey]

okay

[mossy venture]

Oh it could also be temperatures

[little osprey]

nah

[mossy venture]

I'd check cpu and gpu Temps under gaming load

[little osprey]

i monitored them

[mossy venture]

Whatd you use?

[little osprey]

playing rust at ultra

nothing higher than 74 for gpu

and nothing higher than 70 for cpu

[mossy venture]

What softwares did you use?

[little osprey]

i did a 3s mark time app

spy

[mossy venture]

No like

To view temps

[little osprey]

amd adrenalin

[mossy venture]

Ah alr

[little osprey]

so, i replugged my gpu

[mossy venture]

Can you send a pic of it top down?

The gpu is normally annoying and the 2pin on the side doesn't always go in fully

[mossy venture]

Sorry i meant at the gpu and its power cable

[lyric thistle]

6 pin looks like its clasp is a little elevated

[mossy venture]

Also wait

That's mwe white

[little osprey]

oh

[mossy venture]

That's very possibly the issue

[little osprey]

i thought that was the branding

it works fine under stress tests

it’s games

[mossy venture]

Games tend to cause power to spike more

Try prime95

[little osprey]

okay

[mossy venture]

One sec I'm gonna check the tier list

[little osprey]

okay

i checked and white wasn’t on there

[mossy venture]

C tier 650 is generally the base line for a 6700xt

[little osprey]

yea

i used several different wattage calculators and they said i have more than enough

same with people in the linus tech tips discord

[mossy venture]

Wattage calculators aren't great, and wattage isn't really the most important thing

[little osprey]

what is

[mossy venture]

The actual quality of a psu, it's hard to tell from the actual specs. There's 750w 80+ gold psus that will cause a house fire on a 6700xt

[little osprey]

well i’ve had the 6700 xt for a while with my 5 3600

[mossy venture]

The tier list isn't foolproof, but it provides a general idea. The mwe white is low priority C tier from what I can tell, id recommend replacing it honestly

[little osprey]

okay, do you have a short term fix?

[mossy venture]

You've had the gpu with this psu running for a while, issue started recently?

[little osprey]

cuz i can’t spend any more money

[little osprey]

yes

[mossy venture]

You could try power limiting the gpu

Or undervolting

[little osprey]

when i switched the cou

cpu

[mossy venture]

Also hm, alright. Did you update bios?

[little osprey]

yes

[mossy venture]

What mobo?

[little osprey]

it’s on p2.70

asrock b450m/ac

[mossy venture]

That should be fine with a 5600x, doubt it's vrm Temps that's the issue

[little osprey]

yea

[mossy venture]

Ram issues wouldn't cause crashes like that

I dont think cpu would either honestly

[little osprey]

weird

i’ve had the last combo for a good amount of time

[mossy venture]

Try power limiting the gpu and see if it continues

[little osprey]

okay 👌

will this reduce performance?

[mossy venture]

Could also try undervolting the cpu

[little osprey]

which will reduce the least performance

[mossy venture]

Yes, just try it for now to see if it's the issue or not

[little osprey]

okay

[mossy venture]

Undervolting actually often helps performance

[little osprey]

oh cool

[mossy venture]

With amd adrenalin you could just undervolt core as far as it goes and overvolt vram as high as it goes, should be 150 each way? Aside from that, try like a 70% power limit

Typically I'd say higher than that, but just gives a good idea if it's the issue

Then try a game and see what happens

[little osprey]

there’s an auto undervoltung feature would that work

[mossy venture]

Sure

[little osprey]

also, if i use ethernet do i need the wifi antennas?

or will that mess up bluetooth

[strong raft]

If you use the mobo BT, yes the antennae stay.

[lyric thistle]

Not much reason to take it off imo

[little osprey]

alr it’s staying in

on

[little osprey]

where do i download prime95?

[lyric thistle]

Wikipedia tells what the official site is

But I guess you could also download from techpowerup and guru3d those are both reputable sites iirc

[little osprey]

thanks

[little osprey]

i ran prime95 after undervolting and on adrenaline software it kept having my clock speed at 0mhz

nothing seems wrong though

gpu

[little osprey]

happened again

[little osprey]

so i’m able to load into a game

but when i play for a little it crashes

i didn’t undervolt because it seems to crash more

instead of my pc rebooting now the adrenaline program crashes from driver timeout during stress test

[mossy venture]

Try driver uninstalling

And reinstalling

Could also do

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[mossy venture]

Either one btw, not both

[limber oyster]

What is the difference between sfx and sfx-L

[vivid copper]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/diy-builder/power-supply-units/whats-the-difference-between-sfx-and-sfx-l-power-supplies/

[ashen panther]

looking for some help with a recent upgrade since newegg doesnt have a tech support...ordered a new cpu ram and motherboard and am experiencing micro stutters very specifically in league of legends, the only thing i keep coming back to is the ram they sold me thru the bundle deal is not listed as compatable on the manufacturers website

i9-14900k, gigabyte aorus elite ax, corsair vengeance 64gb are the new products in question

[cyan ravine]

@ashen panther send me a pic of the sticker on the back of the ram stick

There are only like, 5 different chips they can use for ddr5, so practically all motherboard website qvl's are a joke

They'll have like 50 different kits but you'll have all 5 different kinds in there so it should be more than fine

What would be an issue is if you're doing say

4 sticks

Or they're high frequency ddr5

[ashen panther]

its just 2

CORSAIR Vengeance RGB 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6400 (PC5 51200) Desktop Memory Model CMH64GX5M2B6400C32

i would have to take them outto get a pic gimme a few min

[cyan ravine]

What specific motherboard is it

Wait don't worry

I already know what it is

Lol

They're 5h16m or 5h16a

They're decent sticks

[ashen panther]

im not even sure its the ram thats causing the issue but im just kjinda stumped at this point

[cyan ravine]

So which motherboard specifically

[ashen panther]

gigabyte z790 aorus elite ax

[cyan ravine]

Yeah ok

So not the newest gen

I'm gonna suggest you have a look at two things

[ashen panther]

ok

[cyan ravine]

It's just stuttering in games ye?

[ashen panther]

specifically league of legends

[cyan ravine]

Not in desktop, work etc

Discord?

[ashen panther]

unless im just not noticing it in other games

no

[cyan ravine]

Ok just wanted to double check

What gpu are you using

[ashen panther]

3080ti ftw3

[cyan ravine]

Ok

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[cyan ravine]

^try this first

If that doesn't work

Look up "Process lasso"

And download the free version (all you need)

And look up a tutorial on how to use it

It allows you to shove all things onto e cores and allocate your games to p cores

What can sometimes happen is

When playing really really lightweight games, the cpu won't allocate to p cores properly?

So it's flicking them onto e cores for most of what's happening

And they can be quite annoying for games

Can lead to some stuttering in a lot of cases it happens

Intel's also got APO for 14th gen so look into that too, similar thing

[ashen panther]

one other question that i cant seem to get a solid answer anywhere for is should i update my bios? some say absolutely for 14th gen and others say absolutely not

[cyan ravine]

It depends

If APO interests you then yes I would

But if it's working, then, it's working

Like

You don't need to

But for gigabyte it might come with slight memory stability improvements

It wasn't until gigabyte X, which is the mobo gen after yours that they got ddr5 really worked out

[ashen panther]

ya i definitely skimped on the motherboard a bit spent too much elsewhere lol

[cyan ravine]

Lol it's all good

Luckily all z690/790 save for like

3 boards

All handily capable of a 14900k

[mossy venture]

Ye what mobo is it?

[ashen panther]

gigabyte z790 aorus elite ax

[mossy venture]

Oh you're more than fine

Spending more than like 220 on a board is just stupid for 99% of people

There's $130 b760s that are fine with a 14900k

[cyan ravine]

Either way my first suspicions here aren't the ram yet

I just remembered that bin of ram is specifically 5h16a

Which is like

The best ram you can have

Save for 5h24m which doesn't come in 16 or 32gb

[mossy venture]

5h24m sounds like a cooking time

[cyan ravine]

If there's any chance of running 64gb at that speed, you have the right sticks for it

[cyan ravine]

Nah 24gbit I believe is way better

[ashen panther]

ive had some strange occurences with this build already, i was getting some BSOD b4 i reinstalled windows so ya idk whtf is going on

[mossy venture]

What bsods?

Do you know the error code?

[vague oracle]

@earnest olive any ideas? I know you grind league

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah bsod codes would help

[ashen panther]

i dont remember tbh it was when i first put it together prob over a month ago

[cyan ravine]

Has it happened since?

[ashen panther]

no

[earnest olive]

i haven't played in like 6 months

but also

[cyan ravine]

Then good

[mossy venture]

Do you have xmp enabled? Felix prolly already asked

[ashen panther]

yes

[earnest olive]

you can run league at 150 fps on a $20 pc so idk man

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[manic cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QRbfkJ

[earnest olive]

gotta be something unstable

[manic cloak]

With that microcenter barebones

If I explored tiktok shop ngl

[mossy venture]

W

[manic cloak]

I could probably get an up to date build

[cyan ravine]

Guys i gotta go, can you help him if he needs it, with ddu and process lasso?

[mossy venture]

I posted ram in tech deals if you want to use that kit for it

[manic cloak]

Ngl i might buy.

Ooooo

[mossy venture]

Not hynix tho

[cyan ravine]

Then take him through like ram tests

[manic cloak]

I don’t think tiktok is doing anymore coupons tho

[mossy venture]

Got it felix

[manic cloak]

Just like 5$ off

[cyan ravine]

Thx

[mossy venture]

Ye they are

[ashen panther]

got it so ddu then project lasso if that doesnt wokr

[mossy venture]

I've had 15% off recently and seen 35% off

[manic cloak]

Oh

[cyan ravine]

I'm about to get a taxi lol

[manic cloak]

I haven’t gotten any 😭😭

[mossy venture]

Also try "memtest64"

[manic cloak]

I might reinstall bluestacks tbh

[earnest olive]

inb4 league is such a light game that it's going on ecores

[mossy venture]

I think that's the name of it

[cyan ravine]

Exactly what I was thinking

Which would make perfect sense

[earnest olive]

then again

[cyan ravine]

Good luck guys I'm out

[earnest olive]

the ecores should be able to run the game without stuttering lol

league runs smooth on my test bench with my r5 1500x, 8gb single channel, and 1gb r5 240

game was designed to run on potatoes in 2007

[mossy venture]

Btw are you on windows 10 or 11?

[ashen panther]

10

Im running ddu atm

[mossy venture]

If all else fails could try going to w11

[ashen panther]

ddu finished reintalled drivers gonna try out a game see how it goes

someone else asked me which slots i had my ram in and i remembered something strange, i have them in the 2 and 4 slots because if i put them in the 1 and 3 i get no video output is that normal?

ya its still stuttering

[mossy venture]

Yo for that list you posted earlier, check tech deals

[manic cloak]

Ok

[manic cloak]

I saw that and I was like eh…

Great card for price, you know beating the 7700xt and all

[mossy venture]

It's pretty solidly priced

[manic cloak]

But I wouldn’t really put it in with the build up above imo

I mean it matches perfectly with the price but consider it a dying gen card, I’d rather spend the extra 70$ for the 7800xt for better performance and the things it can do

Or honestly I heard a lot of good things with the 7600xt

Question is what’s good fan placement in an ap201 with a 360 radiator

[mossy venture]

7800xt doesn't really have better perf, but I understand it

I'd rather go for an open box 4070 then tho

[manic cloak]

dropping in 4 days and price of a 6700xt

[manic cloak]

True

I’d rather do that too because it’s newer gen and similar to better performance than the 6800xt

Idk how good this 7600xt is though

It seems so promising

[mossy venture]

It's not

It's 7600 with extra vram

It's 4060 ti 16gb

But amd (and worse Performance)

[manic cloak]

😭

Well that’s hopeful

[mossy venture]

Yeah im hoping nvidia releases a 4060 super sometime this year

That's 3060 ti performance and like $300

[manic cloak]

Tbh, idk what’s going on with nivida anymore

Cause the performance and price is everywhere

I’ve heard buy a 4060, don’t buy it, buy a 3060ti, etc

[mossy venture]

Yes 4060, 4060 ti, 7600xt, and 7700xt are pretty ass value

4070 ti super at $800 4080 super at 1k are nice

4070 super if it was a bit cheaper would be good

[ashen panther]

do i need to anything other than disabling e cores on league in project lasso?

[cyan ravine]

Allocate everything else you can to e cores

It won't be truly everything

Then allocate your game to p cores

G2g again ✌️

[manic cloak]

What’s the commands for windows to fix corrupt window files

It’s the command prompt and?

[mossy venture]

Sfc/scannow