So instead of buying a $6 tube of thermal paste, he’s gonna need to look for a new cpu
#building-and-recc-chat
crimson zinc
mossy venture
Or he just wanted you to accept the return because he didn't need it anymore
crimson zinc
Now I gotta try to sell it again 
lone flame
ive been wondering how much of a difference is there between the two
like how much faster is my xt compared to the non
crimson zinc
@mossy venture I’ve got a challenge for you
empty pollen
guys, any mb for a 5600 that is good and nice without being overexpensive?
preferably one with some kind of bios update on board :3
mossy venture
<@654444344274845698> I’ve got a challenge for you
Shoot
mossy venture
guys, any mb for a 5600 that is good and nice without being overexpensive?
Wifi?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7gxbt6/msi-b550-a-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-a-pro
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T6YmP6/asus-tuf-gaming-a520m-plus-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-a520m-plus-wifi
I'd say one of those three. I think pro vdh has bios flash, not sure about the other two
pseudo pollen
Msi atx one is my favorite
crimson zinc
🫡
empty pollen
Wifi?
no, not really, the cheaper the better
preferably 110-130 range
oh, late for the reply xD
sorry bacca-san D: irl things having me busy D:
mossy venture
No you're good, I was at work which was sitting in a box for 5 hours doing basically nothing, so I just linked some
rocky jacinth
hey guys, I have an issue when i start my pc. the pc starts but i cant use it, the only solution i found was unplugging the power cord and plugging it back in and that seems to work for now. what could possibly be the cause for this?
cyan ravine
like how much faster is my xt compared to the non
You can go almost straight on the money by comparing die layouts between the two
2304 cores vs 2560 cores
About 12-16% thereabouts
Prices also help to reveal it
empty pollen
ok bad news....
my friend confirmed me that his cpu is a ryzen 2400
and he is adamant to buy a new cpu just now
he just need a mobo for that xD
iirc 500 series mobos dont support ryzen 2000 series... or am i wrong?
leaden mauve
iirc 500 series mobos dont support ryzen 2000 series... or am i wrong?
they dont
potent portal
iirc 500 series mobos dont support ryzen 2000 series... or am i wrong?
Some do, you have to look at the QVL. My MSI X570 does, just not the APU ones.
quick vortex
I built my first computer and I want to make sure the video card I chose is compatible with my other components. Can anyone help me out?
GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS ELITE AX LGA 1700 Intel Z790 ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i9-14900K - Core i9 14th Gen 24-Core (8P+16E) LGA 1700
G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6400
WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 4.0 x4 Internal Solid
State Drive (SSD)
Video Card - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Founders Edition FE 8GB GDDR6X
languid nimbus
Yeah it’s compatible, how much did you get it for? There are better options and you’ve got what seems like a top tier pc minus that
obsidian wigeon
either way the gpu will be compatible
quick vortex
Yea but 3070 doesn’t have that vram
What do you suggest? I'm using this for Autocad Revit and Enscape. So no gaming. I went with what was recommended. My brother is a computer wiz and suggested I get NIVIA brand
runic spruce
Oh I didn’t mean the gpu was bad
I’m just saying it doesn’t have that vram
It should be fine with that
mossy venture
I built my first computer and I want to make sure the video card I chose is comp...
whats the budget?
and country?
quick vortex
I want to think the website said I need VRAM, I didnt know what that was.
mossy venture
that means you do not want a 3070
autocad is gpu heavy
a lot of the time anyways
quick vortex
and country?
USA - I spent $850, don't want to go much over that but will.
mossy venture
like 850 for everything you said?
languid nimbus
Right?
runic spruce
14900k is like $500+ alone
Yea
quick vortex
850 for that?
Oh just for the video card
runic spruce
Low 500
mossy venture
WHAT
mossy venture
cancel that order PLEASE
languid nimbus
^^
runic spruce
That a scam
mossy venture
runic spruce
Idk if nvfidia is better for auto cad but u should get the 7900 xtx
mossy venture
and new 40 series gpus came out, supposedly 4070 ti super? around the same price
4080 super at $1000
both absolutely slam the 3070
quick vortex
cancel that order PLEASE
I can return it, it's no big. The website sent me to this website to ask the question. My borhter knows computers but doesnt work with the programs I will be using
mossy venture
unless you're not in the US
mossy venture
I can return it, it's no big. The website sent me to this website to ask the qu...
you in the US?
if so 100% return it
if not, depends on the country
quick vortex
if so 100% return it
I can return. I am in the US and confirmed this.
obsidian wigeon
$850 for 3070?
mossy venture
ah alr missed that, sorrt
obsidian wigeon
You have been scammed
mossy venture
here's a performance comparison
mossy venture
4070 ti is like 150% of a 3070, and it will be an even more noticeable increase with what you're doing, especially since it has extra vram
quick vortex
You have been scammed
A legit wesbite that offers 30 days returns isn't a scam. It is what it is, I will be returning. I'm looking for suggestions for something different, not opinions on the price I paid.
obsidian wigeon
on other news
mossy venture
what programs do you use? some are good on amd gpus and some arent, and if it's vram sensetive a 7900xt might be a better choice
7900xt has 20gb
languid nimbus
^
quick vortex
4070 ti is like 150% of a 3070, and it will be an even more noticeable increase ...
Thank you so much. I'll be checking out the product you suggested.
obsidian wigeon
4070ti and 4080 has just entered EOL, which doesn't compact current stock but yeah, some info
mossy venture
obsidian wigeon
An official site can be a ripoff too, but that's good that you could return the item
languid nimbus
Yeah, sorry to hear and for the inconvenience you’ll be facing, but glad that there are people here to help you from stuff like that
mossy venture
4070ti and 4080 has just entered EOL, which doesn't compact current stock but ye...
4080 stock been weird for a while, i think nvidia has been limiting it to hype up 4080 super
quick vortex
7900xt has 20gb
AutoCAD Revit and I want to use the rendering software Enscape with it.
mossy venture
I'd check out how they perform on nvidia vs amd, and if the extra vram will be useful for you
obsidian wigeon
4080 stock been weird for a while, i think nvidia has been limiting it to hype u...
I mean, that's exactly what they're doing
mossy venture
I don't know enough to tell you one way or the other
languid nimbus
4070 ti super
obsidian wigeon
4070 ti super is almost a 4080 i guess
mossy venture
pretty much
languid nimbus
Such an odd thing
mossy venture
how does the 4080 super compare?
runic spruce
4070 ti super
Is it actually called that
obsidian wigeon
but all $100 less
languid nimbus
4070 4070ti 4070ti super 4080 4080 super
mossy venture
yeah i really hate nvidia for the 4070 ti super
obsidian wigeon
it is lmao, there is 4070 ti super coming out
mossy venture
they should have just made the 4070 the 4060 ti. they did this because they changed the naming
runic spruce
4090 Amex card release date?
quick vortex
I'd check out how they perform on nvidia vs amd, and if the extra vram will be u...
I believe NVIDIA was recommended on forums related to the programs I'm using. So that's why I went with it. I seen their new release today. Not really wanting to hold out because I know new stuff is hard to get hands on anyways.
mossy venture
they should have just made the 4070 the 4060 ti. they did this because they chan...
4070 ti super was originally supposed to be 4070 or 4070 super i bet you
mossy venture
I believe NVIDIA was recommended on forums related to the programs I'm using. So...
it depends, i doubt stock will be iffy for more than a few weeks or so, but that is a long time to wait. 4070 ti is still a very capable gpu
4080 super would just be nice for the extra vram
a used 3090 is also an option
$550-650, 24gb vram
mossy venture
though it's hot and pulls a lot more power
mossy venture
oh god
runic spruce
$550-650, 24gb vram
Vram gets in the mid 90s tho
obsidian wigeon
inb4 cases of melting
runic spruce
With a thermal pad swap
obsidian wigeon
the pads look a bit burnt
runic spruce
https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-reveals-cable-free-geforce-rtx-4090-btf-gpu-wit...
F in chat for mobo
obsidian wigeon
i don't know much about electrical stuff but i think this isn't safe
quick vortex
What does the ti mean and how do I know the VRAM is? Sorry if this sounds elementary. Again new to bulding.
obsidian wigeon
ti is nvidia's naming for higher tier gpu than ones without ti
like 4070 and 4070 ti
4070 sits lower in marketing and performance tiering
you know the vram amount by reading the specs
quick vortex
4070 sits lower in marketing and performance tiering
Jsut so I understand, it's not the part that says 8gb or 16gb, it's something else?
obsidian wigeon
yeah
the specifics of a certain gpu is up to the manufacturer, aka nvidia to offer
the name doesn't correlate to the amount and type of vram used
quick vortex
I'm not seeing VRAM in the specs. I guess I'll do more research. The enscape website recommend 4 or 8 VRAM, so I'll need to go back and make sure. I like having an overkill setup with all my computers, but I'm getting into a completely different realm with these programs. I do appreciate all the help though.
obsidian wigeon
I would still say 4070ti is a great choice
mossy venture
Jsut so I understand, it's not the part that says 8gb or 16gb, it's something el...
That is vram yes
Did you already buy all of the other parts by the way?
14900kf and all that?
quick vortex
Yea. I bought everything yesterday.
quick vortex
The only thing I didn't buy was a CPU fan, wasn't aware I needed that until today.
mossy venture
For that cpu you'll need an AIO, which is a cpu liquid cooler
It's easy to install and doesn't require maintenence
quick vortex
The rest isn't necessarily bad, just poor value
Thanks, I'll look into that one.
mossy venture
Any preference for aesthetics or anything like that? And what case?
mossy venture
Thanks, I'll look into that one.
I could throw a list together for you of what I'd do, if you want to compare
I'd just have to ask some questions
quick vortex
ASUS TUF Gaming GT501 White Edition Mid-Tower
I got this power supply too ASUS ROG Thor 850W Platinum II
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kXwypg/deepcool-ls720-8585-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-r-ls720-bkamnt-g-1
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7Phv6h/thermalright-frozen-prism-argb-704-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-prism-360-black-argb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/znH7YJ/ek-aio-basic-360-77-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ek-aio-basic-360
I'd say among those
Ek one is the best among the three
quick vortex
thanks. You really don't know how much I appreciate all this.
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xhHRCd this is what I came up with. 14th gen was just a refresh of 13th gen, 14900k is basically a mildly overclocked 13900k. Not worth a $100 price gap
Adata premium isn't quite as good as the sn850x, but after a certain point you don't really see a difference, and Autocad isn't one of the tasks it matters in
Mobo there's a lot of options, but beyond a certain point again it's just diminishing returns. There can be a few arguments made for if you're going to need a lot of storage and needs as many m.2 and sata slots as possible, or are planning to do heavy cpu/ram overclocking
For psu there's a tier list pinned in #cases-psu-and-cooling , phanteks amp v2 is A tier and is great, especially at $110
quick vortex
It's Enscape, the 3D modeling plugin that's the hog on the components. I'm currently running Revit on my Mac through Parallels and though it struggles sometimes, it's not that bad. But I can't use Enscape with my setup so that's why I built a PC. Figured I could get more bang for my buck this way.
mossy venture
You could return the case too if you want to, but its not completely necessary. It's a fine case, just pricey for what it is
obsidian wigeon
Much better value than any macs
mossy venture
If you like the look, keep it
I can link some others for you to take a look at as well
quick vortex
I like the case. It was on sale too.
quick vortex
If you like the look, keep it
You suggested an MSI Ventus for GPU earlier, is this one compatible? MSI Ventus GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12GB GDDR6X PCI Express 4.0 Video Card RTX 4070 Ti VENTUS 3X 12G
mossy venture
You suggested an MSI Ventus for GPU earlier, is this one compatible? MSI Ventus ...
Yes
mossy venture
I like the case. It was on sale too.
Ah how much? Around 80-100 it's decently priced, but either way you like it, so keep it
quick vortex
$130. The black version was $180. I like it. There was an overwhelming amount of choices.
mossy venture
Understandably
quick vortex
I got the EK Cooler and the MSI GPU I mentioned above. Thanks again. Hopefully I can put it all together. 😅
strong raft
Quick input, imo 14700K is worth a look. $400 & just 4ecores under 13900K.
stuck river
Yeah, I did mention I do dev, thanks for the suggestion
manic cloak
Hmmm
8000G’s series are dropping by the end of this month
Supposed “NPUs” are in the chips
idk what that is tbh
But is it even worth?
Considering if AM5 dropped last year, does that mean next year we get AM6 or a 9000s series?💀
obsidian wigeon
NPU is just for ai stuff
8000G isn't worth it in general if you're just gonna game with a dedicated gpu anyway
It's an igpu with mainstream tier perf of a gpu from 2019
cyan ravine
Considering if AM5 dropped last year, does that mean next year we get AM6 or a 9...
AM5 will be around for a while
ooo mercari
ok it's a musetex
looks like a corsair carbide spinoff
sorry maybe not carbide
lemme find iit
460x
found the derivative case
@crimson zinc musetex mn6-b
it's straight up a corsair ripoff
and the 460x was not good
so very meh case
crimson zinc
My old goal list had a mus case
cyan ravine
the problem is there's not enough ventilation
even the good glass cases have issues in this layout
like the 465x
crimson zinc
It looks lovely
Is there any alternative with better ventilation?
cyan ravine
not if you want glass on the front
plucky timber
What's the point of fans
cyan ravine
oh
plucky timber
If there's just glass in front of it
cyan ravine
there might be one
crimson zinc
What's the point of fans
I like the hum
crimson zinc
If there's just glass in front of it
I take the glass off
And keep them very very clean
cyan ravine
@snow shell try 5000X with side intake
crimson zinc
@snow shell hey friend
cyan ravine
or otherwise opt for a new gen 2-sided glass case like, NV5 or O11 vision
oh lol did I ping a random
little osprey
filezilla only moves files at 100 MiB/s
i have gigabit lan
isnt it supposed to be faster
cyan ravine
if the software or files are not bulky single files like big movies then no it won't go at 1gbps
also LAN traffic can play a role too afaik
snow shell
oh lol did I ping a random
?
snow shell
<@213869799195803648> try 5000X with side intake
Huh?
snow shell
There’s a fellow roomba lurking here?
I would like to speak to my brethren
@crimson zinc
FELLOW ROOMBA FREN
plucky timber
Roombas together strong
analog hearth
snow shell
I talk to fellow roomba
crimson zinc
I talk to fellow roomba
Hello fren
snow shell
Hello fren
Roombas unite?
crimson zinc
Roombas unite?
snow shell
https://tenor.com/view/black-angels-the-lady-friendship-power-activate-gif-23800...
What games do you play?
crimson zinc
What games do you play?
Destiny
And a lot of single player games
snow shell
Destiny
And a lot of single player games
Minecraft at all? Or GTA?
crimson zinc
When my pc is built, I’ll do more Minecraft
snow shell
Bet
Once you can, I’ll have to invite you to a discord, my friends are gonna get a kick out of this
timid hill
theres a 3060ti on fb marketplace for 80 should I risk it?
pseudo pollen
show some screenshots, and check the seller and the description
pseudo pollen
does he say it's broken?
little osprey
Anyone here have a white motherboard like the Z790 Edge and a black colored GPU i was wondering how it would look
Also with the Chromax black CPU cooler
mossy venture
Anyone here have a white motherboard like the Z790 Edge and a black colored GPU ...
You typically don't see much of the mobo
crimson zinc
Unless you have a b350m like I did
That thing is so large for no reason
runic spruce
Anyone here have a white motherboard like the Z790 Edge and a black colored GPU ...
U can look on pc part picker
crimson zinc
Can anyone find this monitor by just the back
wary ruin
PC is not recognizing my GPU - I'm new to this stuff - any help would be appreciated.
It's plugged in, fans are spinning - however, when I attempt to install drivers, error message pops up on PC - no GPU installed.
If im in wrong thread, please let me know. Tx
mossy venture
It's plugged in, fans are spinning - however, when I attempt to install drivers,...
Did you just switch gpus?
wary ruin
No - this is a new build
mossy venture
Hm, can you link the list? And you're in windows trying to install drivers, right?
mossy venture
What cpu
wary ruin
Thermalake 650W
mossy venture
Was the 5500xt just bought? Was it working beforehand?
What model 650w
Smart, bm2, bm3, gx2, gf a3, gf1, etc
wary ruin
$180
mossy venture
Bm3 isn't the best but alr
Not terrible
Normally I wouldn't suggest replacing the gpu as first choice, but I say return it as faulty and spend $30 more for a much much better gpu
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fQhFf7/powercolor-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-fighter-video-card-axrx-6600-8gbd6-3dh
Massive difference
wary ruin
I think that's the way I am going to have to go...Thanks for input - appreciated!!!
I agree - worth the few extra $$
mossy venture
Np, while I'm asking, could you put all the parts you got in a pcpartpicker.com list? Not required, but you mightve overspent in some areas and underspent in others, especially if you're using the pc for gaming
dreamy obsidian
my pc I just built keeps booting into windows immediately and won’t give me a chance to boot bios
crimson zinc
obsidian wigeon
my pc I just built keeps booting into windows immediately and won’t give me a ch...
hold shift key and click restart
dreamy obsidian
hold shift key and click restart
that won’t work either
obsidian wigeon
nice
lunar bone
Hey, so I've put together these parts and I need to cut some corners for budget purposes. What could I replace that'd not make a significant difference?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wgLjbL
If I could save $100-$200, that'd be great
lunar bone
I think the motherbboard would be the obvious choice, but not entirely sure what to choose as a replacement
lunar bone
Yeah for sure
cyan ravine
I got a good idea in mind
lunar bone
Although I'm not from the states so lesser known brands aren't available for me
cyan ravine
all good all good
saving money is my specialty
are you looking to save more money to increase the gpu? or just cut back
lunar bone
Just to save some $
cyan ravine
how's 300
I can also change to white colourway here if you want it
since I saw the gpu and case was white
lunar bone
1 second I'll check if the parts are available
cyan ravine
no worries
remember to shop through a variety of stores if possible, you won't find the best price sticking to one place
actually you know what, I might change my recommendation a little here and go intel
lunar bone
DOes intel have a direct competitor to the x3d chips?
cyan ravine
ye
lunar bone
Alright I definitely can't get the cpu cooler
cyan ravine
actually nvm
I thought the x3d was expensive
no, intel's got mobo and cooler costs to still beat it
it saves $30 for maybe a 5-10% drop, not really any point
lunar bone
Alright the ram isn't available in ddr5 and the psu is more expensive here than the thermaltake one
cyan ravine
where are you located
lunar bone
The CPU coolers aren't available as well. So if I go with the same RAM and CPU cooler, I've saved 150euros
I'm from Latvia
cyan ravine
ah
Ok let me make a few more suggestions
The psu I highly suggest changing, the one you had was quite under par safey-wise
lunar bone
hmm, okay
cyan ravine
how about this
I don't normally suggest 212
but it's available basically everywhere
lunar bone
The be quiet! is available
cyan ravine
cheaper?
lunar bone
Yeah, half price
lunar bone
as long as it gets the job done
cyan ravine
I feel like a lot of my other alternatives have disappeared now that I'm looking
lunar bone
if imma go with a 400euro cpu, it should stay cool haha
cyan ravine
oh yeah, but the X3D is a really cool cpu
there was a lot of expectation it'd just be this volcanic thermal mass
but nah, it actually runs perfectly fine on the stock cooler amd sells (not in the box with this one sadly)
lunar bone
Oh the cooler doesn't come with the box?
cyan ravine
sadly not on the higher end ones
cyan ravine
X3D is worth the $20 cooler
so it's fine
ok so psu
ima drop a few in here and tell me if you find it
lunar bone
The one you recommended me is 10eur more expensive
cyan ravine
cyan ravine
The one you recommended me is 10eur more expensive
that would be worth it imo
the GX1 is almost ewaste material at 750w
not to offend
cyan ravine
the C750 however is built to the nines with stuff like, good transient response, noise, good fan, OCP OVP OPP etc etc etc
there's a lot to psu's that go way beyond the "gold" label on them in marketing
lunar bone
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x4hv6h/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-tt-premium-75...
this one is 20eur more expensive
lunar bone
might as well go with the c750
cyan ravine
I would say the 10 euros more for the c750 yeah
it's worth it
alr how much have you saved?
how many euros is the case and the motherboard cos I can change those
and ssd
lunar bone
mobo is 185
lunar bone
Yeah we have to pay taxes upfront so they seem a lot more expensive
lunar bone
nah definitely not
lunar bone
some bitfenix products are though
cyan ravine
are you searching with maybe amazon.de?
I can change to eu based pcpp if you have access to that
lunar bone
I'm using this site
https://www.salidzini.lv/cena?q=BitFenix+Nova+Mesh
lunar bone
it basically checks the prices of all local retailers
cyan ravine
hmmm
ok mobo and memory...
I found a case
montech air 903 max
found a mobo
let me just check, you picked the CL30 ram kit yes?
lunar bone
it's basically the same price as the Phanteks Eclipse P200A
which one would be better?
cyan ravine
oh sorry
montech air 903 base
sorry wrong choice
in this case the atx format would be a bit cheaper with the mobo I'm about to share
lunar bone
cl36
cyan ravine
ah
lunar bone
was the vengeance ram
lunar bone
not entirely sure what that means
cyan ravine
ok without explaining too much
CL28, CL30, CL32 are all the top dog choices for DDR5
CL34, CL36, CL38 all meh
lunar bone
I guess the best bang for the buck ram
cyan ravine
it'll have both better resale and better performance for the same price basically
better resale because it's a prized choice for ddr5
runic spruce
U won't really notice that much of a difference tho
Except really crappy ram
lunar bone
i see
lunar bone
erm for the ram?
cyan ravine
ye
lunar bone
what suggestions?
lunar bone
although I have the luxury to buy the parts as a company so I don't have to pay taxes for some of the parts.
cyan ravine
I found it
but 130- 140
bleh
https://oreol.eu/kompyuternaya-tehnika/kompyuternye-komponenty/operativnaya-pamyat/gskill-ripjaws-s5-ddr5-32-gb-5600mhz-cl28-f5-5600j2834f16gx2-rs5k
https://maxtrade.lv/adata-memory-lancerblade-ddr5-6000-32gb-2x16-cl30-rgb.141861.p
https://www.salidzini.lv/click.php?itemid=94911872090&q=ripjaws+S5+cl32
https://oreol.eu/kompyuternaya-tehnika/kompyuternye-komponenty/operativnaya-pamyat/gskill-ripjaws-s5-ddr5-32-gb-6000mhz-cl30-f5-6000j3040f16gx2-rs5k
pick one
the second would be the prime imo
best value
runic spruce
although I have the luxury to buy the parts as a company so I don't have to pay ...
Write offs 👌
cyan ravine
adata makes good quality heatsinks for ddr5
runic spruce
Or tax evasion but that very illegal
cyan ravine
and the kit is good underneath
so
how does this look
if the gpu is still a little high side we can change that
lunar bone
I'll buy the pc the without the GPU for now
cyan ravine
ah ok
lunar bone
the 7800x3d will be paired with an rx 590 for now 😂
cyan ravine
that's fine tbh
I mean you cover most of it in one sitting which is good
most 7800xt's are good choices, bar maybe asrock challenger
I'd also consider the option to do like
7600 cpu + 4070 TI or 7900XT gpu if you can stretch it that far
lunar bone
Depends on how my bank account feels
cyan ravine
lol
lunar bone
But if the rx 590 will be good enough for now then I can definitely save up
cyan ravine
just if you plan for good 1440p gaming, both the x3d as a cpu upgrade and the tier up on gpu are both good ideas
gpu would be slightly better
little osprey
what is even coming out that requires an upgrade
cyan ravine
hell, just sticking the 7600 into this build would be fine
cyan ravine
what is even coming out that requires an upgrade
?
that's a very open ended question
lol
lunar bone
just if you plan for good 1440p gaming, both the x3d as a cpu upgrade and the ti...
What do you mean?
cyan ravine
is it not a gaming pc?
lunar bone
Yeah it sure is
cyan ravine
ok so at 1440p you are more likely to run into the gpu running at it's fastest basically
less so than the cpu
so there are better benefits to going with a faster gpu because you have the headroom to do so, it's a more definite increase in fps
X3D is good don't get me wrong, but it needs certain situations to truly take off
plucky timber
imo it's easier to upgrade the cpu than a gpu
cyan ravine
sure
lunar bone
Yeah I primarily plan to play rust, where the x3d shines
cyan ravine
Yeah I primarily plan to play rust, where the x3d shines
ahhh nvm
plucky timber
oh lol
cyan ravine
yeah that's a PURE X3D game
plucky timber
Yeah so you can pretty upgrade if you want
lunar bone
Definitely a lil overkill for the games I play, but I just wanna buy it and be done with it for a few years
cyan ravine
I was surprised boeing
plucky timber
It really depends on the games
lunar bone
yuh
plucky timber
My games destroy my cpu
plucky timber
that game is crazy cache intensive
ahahha
cyan ravine
I love X3D, I hate that when I open some games, it spikes to 115C for a second tho
apparently it's fine
plucky timber
Tfw when min-maxing is actually the right move
cyan ravine
HWinfo goin crazy
cyan ravine
my physical readouts are not 115
anyway
I think we saved close to about, 180 I guess?
which is not too bad
cyan ravine
that's half his 7800xt almost
plucky timber
👀
lunar bone
😄
plucky timber
based sapphire
plucky timber
Someone's gonna take that out of context
cyan ravine
fortunately there are reasonable white options like the sapphire pure
lunar bone
free labor
I mean yeah sure if you want to. Not sure if I should go with black + white accents or all white
aka white with black accents
cyan ravine
we gonna worry bout it
plucky timber
lol
lunar bone
White parts are a bit more expensive though, no?
cyan ravine
https://www.iizii.eu/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=649472
https://www.salidzini.lv/click.php?itemid=94984879824&q=a620m+pro+rs
this is
already cheaper actually
lunar bone
👀
lunar bone
although sucks that all the parts are from different retailers
cyan ravine
I'm just grabbing the cheapest price of them
lunar bone
Gonna have to go on a little road trip to all the different stores haha
cyan ravine
take a ballpark estimate from it
or check if they have them at the same store for basically the same
not worth 20 minutes for 3 euros really
OOOOOOOOOO
D31 CASE
YUSSS
goated case and it's so cheap wtf
put them all together what I just sent, is it cheaper still?
the D31 even has a screen option for extra flair
lunar bone
hold on let me whip out the calculator
cyan ravine
I love the D31, had the chance to work on one
better build quality than lian li
similar interactivity to it
they also have a mesh front? version
but from what I know from using it
not much point
looks like this basically
lunar bone
Alright grand total is 1405.48eur
cyan ravine
what was the other one?
cyan ravine
If it's even remotely close to the same price then that last list is arguably way better
lunar bone
I think it was around 950ish
lunar bone
yeep 305
cyan ravine
damn
lunar bone
damn
lunar bone
Are we missing soemthing? lmao
cyan ravine
no no it's all there
just the thing is I got lucky with the motherboard and case
after that I was swimmin
cyan ravine
A620M, while the name might scare off people who are less studied in the ryzen space
is just the chipset on the motherboard
it's cheap, but specifically the boards I suggested have vrms capable of amply handling a 7950x
so don't worry about performance
the only catch is cpu overclocking is locked, which is basically pointless on any ryzen gaming rig, period
if ram overclocking was locked? I'd never suggest it
lunar bone
Yeah i'll stay away from overclocking lmao
cyan ravine
the a620m pro rs is basically a mid range b650 in a620's sheeps clothing
cyan ravine
Yeah i'll stay away from overclocking lmao
ye all good, just figure I'd add this flavour text in case anyone asks you about it if you want a second opinion
cyan ravine
pointless for 99% of users tho
obsidian wigeon
ye
obsidian wigeon
a620m pro rs has a ton of io already
cyan ravine
and b450 before it
obsidian wigeon
more than enough m.2 slots for ssds
cyan ravine
if you were running like, lan nics or hyper m.2 cards I'd change my mind
real reason for x670 there but otherwise nah
or rather ATX in some capacity
anyway glad I could help, honestly that pc looks dope af for 1400 lol
lunar bone
Without paying taxes for some of the stuff, the build might be half price from the original one
lmao
lunar bone
god damn
this made it much more doable to build it
cause I don't currently have a great income
cyan ravine
If it's one thing I know how to do, it's strip the pointless things out of a pc
lunar bone
all this because I decided to clean the last pc's cpu cooler and accidentally cleaned one cpu pin
lunar bone
yeah the cooler was glued to the cpu
lunar bone
yeah
cyan ravine
damn
that sucks
you could always check the pin map for those things
if it's like, 5600x or something it may actually still run
lunar bone
I've been wanting to build a better pc for a good while, this is the push that I needed lol
not too bummed
cyan ravine
some pins can be redundant
lunar bone
if it's like, 5600x or something it may actually still run
2600x
cyan ravine
still if it bares the option, have a google for am4 pinout, and see if you can identify it
lunar bone
gpu was like 400 new
lunar bone
haha
lunar bone
Well I did try to boot it up but it didn't work
lunar bone
cpu light on the mobo illuminated
lunar bone
only thing I could sell is the ram
cyan ravine
you could maybe still fish that out
lunar bone
yeah possibly
lunar bone
hahaha
cyan ravine
if you can fish it out, you could stick that right in
cyan ravine
and go get a 7800xt
ahhh but patience would pay dividends friend
lololol
you'd be saving a lot more than 300 and the performance would be noticeably still good
yes it's not 7800x3d, but the jump would be about, 15-20%
either or for rust would be good
lunar bone
I'll see how the "saving money" thing goes
lunar bone
might as well take the oppurtinity and jump on the new platform
cyan ravine
it's worth it
at the very least, try to save the socket and resell it
it would be worth a fair bit used
crimson zinc
I am seconding Felix’s opinion here
lunar bone
yeah that I'll try
cyan ravine
as always I'll say be careful
it's a plastic socket but it can be annoyingly tight in the slot
try not to scratch the mobo
cyan ravine
doubt
I mean, it could be hilariously loose maybe
my experience with the am4 slot is more like a puzzle piece fitting in
it has a bit of grip to it
lunar bone
30eur if I manage to get it out
although I wont be able to test the board
and sell a cooked mobo to someone
lol
cyan ravine
it won't be cooked
if it was working before the cpu came out, and then wasn't after
not cooked
I just wouldn't even mention it
cyan ravine
meh, would say it's working and see what happens
I highly doubt a 2600x could kill a good b450 like that
you're talking 12v runs, any half decent psu would detect a short if something was wrong
I think it's more just, it wasn't detecting
cyan ravine
it has tabs on either side
I'd look up a tutorial
it's not easy to take off
be very careful
do it wrong and it can snap in half which is worse 
(shocking but I've witnessed it)
it goes in one way, it should come back out the same
I'd watch a few examples of "AM4 socket removal"
lunar bone
it looks somewhat easy
crimson zinc
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TjbKn6
@cyan ravine without changing anything, could you give me any recommendations to put the GPU, CPU, MB into the highest end possible? Like I won’t have to upgrade for 7+ years type of high end
I have a white/clear theme going if that helps
@plucky timber if you wanted to put some opinion in
cyan ravine
I would definitely not do the QL 5000x
the vanilla *QX isn't bad
but the QL is rubbish
QL fans
can speak from experience
terrible
there's a million better fan options
some of the weakest fans you can buy for airflow
like hands down
crimson zinc
Is there a replacement fan?
cyan ravine
c12c's or b12's/k12's
lunar bone
@cyan ravine forgot to say thanks, smart pc person
lunar bone
will do, will do
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TjbKn6
<@101107951401455616> without changing anyt...
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cdt4Jy
https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-ARGB-PWM-Port/dp/B0892FLXDX?th=1
no I had to change a lot
would be the same price equivalence
better performance
still full white
tho the gpu and mobo def has a white tax
what I'd do on the other hand and accept a half-white gpu instead
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YvYw89
plucky timber
What happened
plucky timber
I tabbed out
cyan ravine
What happened
finished up, doing another list
forgot I still had the speakers there
personally the pc38x is great enough
plucky timber
oh ok
cyan ravine
tho ig if you wanted to do like, split screen with the wifey or something
plucky timber
The woman™️
crimson zinc
@cyan ravine she has given me 5k to do a good setup. I got all the stuff I wanted for “flair” in there. So all I need is some stuff to match it in the performance department.
So I’m down to pay extra for a white 4090 type of thing
cyan ravine
there's a white 4090 for 2K
tho a 4090 right now is...yuck
wouldn't bother
it would fit into those lists with no extra effort
ah, hm, actually it's quite thick, would be interesting in an matx case lmfao
crimson zinc
That is A-O-K(the song) with me
I am down to splurge on extra RGB and everything
weak flint
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N3B4Jy
what a weird part list
cyan ravine
why's it weird
look at the original first
you'll see why I changed it the way I did
weak flint
been a solid minute since ive built something
cyan ravine
M60 is an unusual case but I haven't seen anything bad about it yet
I want someone to try it
it's a basic matx layout with a mesh side panel
fundamentally it ticks the basic boxes for decent
cyan ravine
That is A-O-K(the song) with me
I am down to splurge on extra RGB and everythin...
I just wouldn't spend more than this period
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ctq7yg
it would already look nice
in fact I think going for a less rgb build in the o11 vision can look extremely appealing
like a complete snow look
weak flint
woah 4090 is expensive rn
lyric thistle
M60 is an unusual case but I haven't seen anything bad about it yet
where do you put fans tho
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mYt4Jy
https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-ARGB-PWM-Port/dp/B0892FLXDX?th=1
lyric thistle
cyan ravine
where do you put fans tho
it has iirc three slots for exhaust
and the intake is the literal mesh side
lyric thistle
I want intake waaaah waahh
cyan ravine
it doesn't need it
like ap201
just let the coolers intake on their own
it helps, it won't be game changing
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mYt4Jy
https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-ARGB-P...
this would be like, the absolute peak
and I wouldn't normally buy the 4090 at this price
maybe 1750?
ideally 1650
white tax to me isn't worth more than a few dollars
could maybe swap to a better mouse
like the Viper V2 pro
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fQH7YJ/razer-viper-v2-pro-wireless-optical-mouse-rz01-04390200-r3u1
weak flint
maybe 1750?
what a steal war piggy got though on his 1000$ 4090
cyan ravine
ask me what the best mouse choice is rn and I wouldn't have a clear answer
ofc
hell a 1K 4080 is good
I just wish the founders FE wasn't locked by best buy like freaking EA licenses
means I can never get my hands on one
there's no best buy outside of 2 countries
quite literally costs me less to get the 3rd best choice the suprim over the vanilla FE
2nd and 1st being the matrix and hof which are a waste
lunar bone
yeah
cyan ravine
not sure tbh
lunar bone
pcpartpicker says that it's not sure about the mounting depth
lunar bone
nope
cyan ravine
ah no, don't buy one
cyan ravine
they have corrosion and thermal contact issues
i mean free is free
if it's in good shape then fine ye
lunar bone
yeah key word 'might', not the most worrying thing
cyan ravine
might need to work something out for the cpu cooler tho
lunar bone
just wondering
cyan ravine
the D31 basically has only one space for an aio up top afaik
no rear fan space
so maybe like
flat cooler for 7800x3d? a good one
lunar bone
ah alright so just the cpu cooler might interfere?
cyan ravine
ye
it has space for a 240 aio up top
just not sure about a cpu cooler as well in a typical layout
might need a downdraft flat cooler for proper airflow
hell probably also fans on the bottom
lunar bone
also the d31 case doesn't have any front fans, will that be a problem?
lunar bone
ah i see
cyan ravine
make sure the psu fan is facing towards the motherboard, that's all you need to truly worry about
if you end up with the waterforce, consider two fans on the bottom at the very least
if the 7800xt, don't need them really
just something cheap and white colour
like arctic P12 are really good
two of those, or maybe 4 if you want a matching set
lunar bone
the case doesn't come with any fans, yeah?
cyan ravine
nah
no fans included
but in the layouts we discussed it doesn't truly need them
cos the gpu fans do the intake
SAMA IM01, and Cooler Master NR200p work very similarly
lunar bone
oh alright
cyan ravine
it's just if you get the aio 3080 is the thing
cos that doesn't have fans on the card itself
only on the radiator up top
it'd struggle a little
lunar bone
yeah that's not an immediate concern cause the guy who's possibly giving the card to me is waiting for the 50 series
and I heard somewhere that nvidia might not release their top tier gpus? cause amd isn't
cyan ravine
AMD has said they're aiming to stick to the $999 msrp for next gen and just not do much more performance
I believe nvidia did say something similar?
like 5080 might be the next gen peak?
lunar bone
yea
cyan ravine
I can't really remember tbh
but don't believe a word a company says
only believe in the things you can see and obtain right now
because they can always change their mind
lunar bone
core truths 
mossy venture
like 5080 might be the next gen peak?
Lowkey I would prefer that
I feel like pricing will be better
upper ore
Does lian li still make good liquid coolers?
cyan ravine
galahad and galahad 2 also have a lot of pump issues
atm
would steer clear for now
upper ore
What are some good ones that are out rn? I've been out of the loop for too long. Lol
cyan ravine
thermalright frozen edge is dope
$55 for decent enough 360mm performance (use with intel)
anything else I'd basically suggest an air cooler as it gets the job done
upper ore
$55 for decent enough 360mm performance (use with intel)
Its really that good? When its that cheap? 😳 damn
cyan ravine
it's by far not the best
but at $55 it's very good
you get noctua A12's on it
and a better pump and coldplate than a lot of older options
mossy venture
What are some good ones that are out rn? I've been out of the loop for too long....
White or black?
My main choices are basically any 240/360 from thermalright in the $45-75 range, deepcool ls720/lt720, and ek basic 360
Or just skip the aio and go phantom spirit or phantom spirit evo
upper ore
Black and it can be up to $150usd if that helps.
cyan ravine
the highest I'd go?
would be LS720/LT720/SE
comes in black
much louder fans tho
but better enough to say it's in a different class
mossy venture
Ek basic 360 is $100 too rn
I know ek tends to be premium for aios, but not sure how it compares to ls/lt720
cyan ravine
but like, unless you chase overclocking numbers or you are buying an i9, I wouldn't bother with paying extra
upper ore
but like, unless you chase overclocking numbers or you are buying an i9, I would...
My friend has an i7 and he's not gonna overclock it. Lol
cyan ravine
i7 I'd just get the frozen edge tbh
mossy venture
What i7?
mossy venture
If he's gaming he doesn't need an aio at all, no matter what i7, but if it's pre 13th gen even non gaming it doesn't need an aio
Especially if it's non k
If he wants one for the aesthetic that's different tho
cyan ravine
If he's gaming he doesn't need an aio at all, no matter what i7, but if it's pre...
no, some games have absurd power draw
lethal company uses like 200W on my i9
lmfao
mossy venture
Jesus
cyan ravine
it's stock
mossy venture
Though that should still be cooled by a phantom spirit
upper ore
Language blocker just blocked what I said one sec lol
mossy venture
My fc140 handled 230w at 85c on my 13600k
upper ore
My friend said "F if I know" when I asked him for what kind of i7 he has. Lol
mossy venture
Could also undervolt
mossy venture
My friend said "F if I know" when I asked him for what kind of i7 he has. Lol
Lol, Have him check in task manager
Or ask when he bought it
cyan ravine
ye task manager would say
cyan ravine
upper ore
If he's gaming he doesn't need an aio at all, no matter what i7, but if it's pre...
He plays mainly MMORPG's like bdo
upper ore
He's at work rn so I'm waiting for him to actually give me an answer. Lol
mossy venture
Ima delete that one
cyan ravine
I didn't say it but you did LMAO
lyric thistle
baldur's date online?
real
verbal plover
black desert online