Crazy how much it went up after tariffs and stuff
#building-and-recc-chat
silent thistle
Yo I got my pc linked up to windows and allat but I selected a drive (space thing, M.2) for the windows and now it doesn’t have access to both- how do I get it to see the other one? It sees it in the devices page when I start looking to where I would update a driver
torn mesa
Hello can anyone link me a build $800 budget for gaming
mossy venture
in a bit sure
silent thistle
You could go to pc part picker and it helps with compatibility and shows you your budget, you can filter by price and such
stoic island
Yo I got my pc linked up to windows and allat but I selected a drive (space thin...
Prob need to initialize it in disk management
stoic island
Ye
silent thistle
K
brittle tinsel
lyric thistle
The cheapest 2.5" drive I'd go for is crucial mx500
Also the most expensive 2.5" drive I'd go for is mx500
mossy venture
Hello can anyone link me a build $800 budget for gaming
if you're not using ethernet, you'll need a separate wifi adapter https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jkTpVW
mossy venture
do u think u could also link me a build w an nvidia gpu?
also pls dont get 4060
4060/4060 ti are just plain awful value
barely better than 3060 12gb/3060 ti
crimson zinc
Crazy how much it went up after tariffs and stuff
Trying to get one on a resale site like Mercari is not good
They’re still wanting 1.8+ for it minimum
crimson zinc
I know, I was just saying
cyan ravine
You don't need to buy windows tho
That pc looked ok tbh
Not worth the price it is tho
Good god is that a profit margin 💀💀
The ssd could be mid
That's about it really
The rest is just meh
dusky hearth
Me when I buy linux
prime pollen
#build-pics message
Is this built inside of a microwave door?
dusky hearth
Real
crimson zinc
Yes
obsidian wigeon
mesh case be like
tawny violet
You don't need to buy windows tho
It's more about them feeling unable to fit the OEM win key with that profit margin
cyan ravine
True
tawny violet
I'll have to look up the parts specifically to know how much they charge for building it and shipping out
cuz PCPartPicker can't really show Hungarian pricing
tawny violet
but it also doesn't look that good now does it?
cyan ravine
Well no
They'd probably get paid for a couple hours labour
So factor in tax, let's say 100usd
Running service costs of the business yada yada
Let's say a couple hundred per unit
There's a good margin on that easily
But that's what premium builds are like for prebuilt
Go look at corsair prebuilts
They cost way more for less
The best prebuilt is the one your friend builds you for $100
tawny violet
And the best PC is the one you build for yourself ain't it?
besides I got a buddy next door that would literally come over and help for free so that's nice for me
cyan ravine
Yep
south lark
nah think im gonna keep just in case something goes wrong
yeh ik it was a pre mid motherboard before
lucky nothing else was wrong
interesting i got it to boot to windows still aha even when it was fried
south lark
yeh, anyways very relieved, thanks for all your help
cyan ravine
All good, glad it worked out for you
buoyant birch
does the corsair 460x have enough airflow for an i7 14700k?
cyan ravine
uh
if you maybe used good fans and not corsair ones
and didn't overclock
maybe
I'm being really optimistic about it, I wouldn't put a new i7 or i9 in there tbh
buoyant birch
sounds good thanks
already have a noctua d15s should I swap it for a front mounted aio
like a 360
buoyant birch
What are you using the pc for
gaming and work
I'm in software
waiting on the super cards
mossy venture
Ah alr, then if you're doing multi core loads the 14700k would likely be running hot even with a d15
I'd say use it for now, see what your temps are like, and either undervolt or replace the cooler
buoyant birch
I'd say use it for now, see what your temps are like, and either undervolt or r...
sounds good thanks 🫡
manic cloak
supple nebula
Hey guys, am looking to build a new PC but had some questions and I guess Newegg doesn't hire computer savvy people (the woman on the phone when I called literally said 'I know nothing about computers.')
So before I dump a ton of money, was hoping to get a little feedback/insight from some people.
vivid copper
Hey guys, am looking to build a new PC but had some questions and I guess Newegg...
What are you looking to do or need in a PC? What concerns do ya got?
supple nebula
What are you looking to do or need in a PC? What concerns do ya got?
Hey there. So I was looking to get an rtx 3090 for gaming but also 3d rendering and I've heard it's a good card for rendering.
Anyway I was looking at the PC builder on their website to make it a little easier as my computer knowledge has honestly not kept up over the past few years and when I try to swap the card it defaults to for a 3090, it only comes back with a single option that more than doubled the price of the computer despite them having tons of 3090's listed on their site.
So I don't know if that's because it's the only one compatible with that build or some other reason, and that being said looking at the 3090's not sure which one to get and don't want to go cheaper and the card suck but really can't afford one of the really expensive ones.
mossy venture
Hey guys, am looking to build a new PC but had some questions and I guess Newegg...
What were you looking to spend, what's the pc being used for, do you have a monitor already, do you need wifi or are you using ethernet, and do you care about aesthetics?
mossy venture
Hey there. So I was looking to get an rtx 3090 for gaming but also 3d rendering...
If you want a 3090 right now, buy used
supple nebula
What were you looking to spend, what's the pc being used for, do you have a moni...
Trying to stay around 2.5 for the computer itself.
mossy venture
Do you do any cpu focused tasks?
Also would you be willing to wait a little bit for the 4080 super to come out? If not, def a used 3090 would be your best choice
supple nebula
Do you do any cpu focused tasks?
Honestly the computer will be used mostly for gaming, 3d rendering, and web use.
At least that's the plan now.
mossy venture
Ok so not really
Do you need wifi, or are you using ethernet
And do you care about aesthetics
supple nebula
Yeah def will need wifi.
vivid copper
Hey there. So I was looking to get an rtx 3090 for gaming but also 3d rendering...
3090s are pretty much obsolete meaning, they aren't being manufactured new anymore, so unless you're buying one used I wouldn't bother. The 4090 would be the new replacement but on the power scale the 3090 is behind this generations high end cards. So if you want something current and don't want used you're probably looking at a 4070ti and up.
mossy venture
Yeah def will need wifi.
Aesthetics?
supple nebula
The 4070 doesn't have as much memory though as a 3090.
mossy venture
Oh last question, storage needs?
supple nebula
Aesthetics?
Not following. Cases are cheap.
mossy venture
I was going to use a 4080/4080 super in the list in making you
supple nebula
Oh last question, storage needs?
Hoping for 2tb, would settle for 1 if I had to.
mossy venture
Not following. Cases are cheap.
Like do you want black and rgb, white and rgb, blackout, etc?
supple nebula
Ohhh. Prefer black.
mossy venture
First option, $200 over budget but has a 4090. If you wait for 4080 super launch, that would be a good alternative
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TPhByg
vivid copper
The 4070 doesn't have as much memory though as a 3090.
The only GPU that does is the 4090 and you're not getting one of those on a 2.5K budget. That's the card by itself. So you're looking at a card that has either 12 or 16 gigs of vram.
mossy venture
This is $60 over budget, the 7600 does limit the 4090 at 1440p for gaming by a pretty noticeable amount
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XN9FYN
Could get it to $2500 with either cheaper case or 1tb ssd instead of 2tb
supple nebula
Ryzen vs Intel?
mossy venture
If you're going 4k, 7600 is fine with the 4090
It's less so ryzen vs intel and moreso performance vs performance and price vs price
14600kf/13600kf has much higher multi core perf and a bit higher single core perf, but the 14600kf list is $140 more
vivid copper
Ryzen vs Intel?
If it's for productivity Intel is the way to go. Neither one of those builds are gonna be great productivity tho. You're sacrificing CPU for the GPU.
mossy venture
Can take off $15 by switching to 13600kf
mossy venture
If it's for productivity Intel is the way to go. Neither one of those builds are...
He isn't doing cpu focused tasks what are you on
I asked, he is doing 3d rendering and no cpu heavy tasks.
For what he's doing he will notice better performance with 14600k and 4090 over 14700k or 13900k and 4080
vivid copper
We don't have to agree with the builds but you're opinion isn't king my g....you're over his budget plus you're sacraficing performance just so he can say he has a 4090
And the fact you stuck a Thermalright cooler on a 14600K tells me all I need to know
mossy venture
Not really, the vram is very helpful for 3d rendering, and i am actively making a list under budget. And I said "if you want it cheaper, 4080 super will be out soon"
LMAO
Ok
Damn, one of the best dual towers on a 14600k at $35 is a bad choice
mossy venture
Ryzen vs Intel?
Anyways, likely neither list exactly fits your needs or wants, but if there's anything that stands out to you you'd like changed just lmk
vivid copper
It's not a personal attack, on your opinion, so don't focus on me...drop your opinion and move on
mossy venture
It's not a personal attack, on your opinion, so don't focus on me...drop your op...
Oh but you come here talking out your ass all the time with no evidence to back it up, so until you give evidence of the phantom spirit being trash ill call you out on it.
:D
vivid copper
You're blocked...grow up....
mossy venture
LMAO
vivid copper
Trying to stay around 2.5 for the computer itself.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6BYwCd This is my take if you can live with not having a 4090. If you increase the budget a tad bit you can fit one in if it's truly important for you to have that extra vram. That way you don't have to sacrifice the quality of your other parts just to fit it in.
flint sapphire
mossy venture
lol
flint sapphire
heres meezy's build for a bit cheaper https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wXt49c with a mildly better cpu
mossy venture
Better case better aio, better mobo choice much smart psu choice
Cpu and ram is a toss up
Though I still wouldn't do either cpus when he doesn't need multi core performance
vivid copper
heres meezy's build for a bit cheaper https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wXt49c with ...
Thank you for having an difference of opinion and not taking it personally. That's the way to do things...even tho i don't agree with some choices especially with possibly putting an even more hotter/juiced overclocked CPU on probably what will be a power limited board, it's cool to have different takes. It's crazy when people think that their way is the only right one.
runic spruce
heres meezy's build for a bit cheaper https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wXt49c with ...
Id switch out the motherboard for a z790 so u can tune the cpu
vivid copper
Yeah doesn't make much sense to spend more on a CPU so you can spend less on the mobo.
flint sapphire
budget is still there feel free to edit
mossy venture
Thank you for having an difference of opinion and not taking it personally. That...
I never said my own way is the right way, but I did call you and and disagree when you said factually false information.
The phantom spirit is perfectly fine with a 14600k, and you saying that it's garbage is factually incorrect
And you got mad at the cpu and gpu pairing, when in the same sentence I told him for gaming the cpu will limit the gpu
But in 3d rendering he will make use of the extra gpu performance
vivid copper
And most B760s are gonna be power limited. Which will severely limit the performance of something like a 14700K. And possible be even thermal throattled. The 12900K would have B660 boards at 100+C so i know a 13700/14700 would do the same.
mossy venture
But in 3d rendering he will not make use of the extra cores
How are you going to make a generalization about all b660s or b760s, there are so many different models
The b660a-wifi barely limited a 12900ks
vivid copper
mossy venture
The only reason to get a z690 or z790 is m.2s, pcie lanes, or cpu overclocking
Or ram tuning, in some cases
manic cloak
Just sold my 6650xt for 180$
flint sapphire
oooo nice
mossy venture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEa0vcJ0lRY
Bro
How you gonna judge vrm temps off of a 60 minute p95 run. He is gaming and 3d rendering
The cpu will literally never require full power
manic cloak
💀
mossy venture
Me when you don't have a response
You're recommending a cpu with more cores and about 3-4% better gaming performance for someone who does not need more cores, and then talking about power draw on a b660 with a 12900k in prime 95, which is an unreal workload compared to what he is actually doing
The issues you are bringing up have absolutely no relation to what he is doing, you're recommending parts for a use case that is nowhere near what he needs and then getting mad when someone calls you out. You're a joke
mossy venture
Lol
flint sapphire
air cooling is fine on a 13600k. The board is fine for most cpus in a gaming workload. its fine. 
cursive wharf
If it's for productivity Intel is the way to go. Neither one of those builds are...
Can I ask what productivity tasks specifically you think needs CPU > GPU?
@supple nebula Can I ask specifically what prodoctivity programs you will be using?
mossy venture
Can I ask what productivity tasks specifically you think needs CPU > GPU?
I7 bigger number than i5 so more better
Hes using daz3d and likely just gonna go for a laptop
supple nebula
Hes using daz3d and likely just gonna go for a laptop
Deskptop.
vivid copper
Can I ask what productivity tasks specifically you think needs CPU > GPU?
It clearly depends on how and what he renders and what programs he uses. People use blender with CPU rendering all the time. The fastest way is with the GPU. But if you have more complex renders or don't want to sacrifice quality...it's better to use the CPU. Also other progams such like Photoshop are single core dependent....Intel has stronger single core and higher clocks. Your GPU doesn't matter in programs like that. Same with Premier except it's multicore performance that makes the difference.
If you're serious about rendering you definitely take in consideration of your CPU
Time = Money
I don't know anyone who uses corona personally but the proof is there
potent portal
Daz studio is single threaded so all those multi thread benches are irrelevant
The iray plugin will use more cores but that's only one small part of a render
vivid copper
Like i said it depends on the program...and even in single threaded apps frequency is important....after effects is the same way
Intel is just the better way to go for productivity. Unless you're going 7950x. It's not really a way around it. If you're a pure gamer you're going for a 7800x3d. And if you wanna do a bit of both you go 7950x3D/13900k/14900K.
potent portal
Sad that it requires double the power and additional cooling to have the 13900k win like that though
cursive wharf
It clearly depends on how and what he renders and what programs he uses. People ...
complex renders it's better to use the CPU
Mostly due to memory constraints, which has become less of an issue as of late with consumer GPUs having lots of memory. 3090/4090 have 24GB of memory. That is very likely to be sufficient for their scenes, esp when they are only getting 32GB of system memory.
Intel has stronger single core
They are actually pretty equal.
Same with Premier
Premier has significant gains from GPU acceleration, esp Intel's Quick Sync Video (iGPU). Tho 13700 would likely still be better than a 14600 is correct. Tho Premier is kinda outdated compared to DaVinci Resolve nowadays (Also has good GPU accel).
vivid copper
Trust quick sync isn't all it's cracked up to be. Nividia nvenc is still superior to quick sync. And it's faster....
It's a nice feature to have if you don't have a strong GPU
cursive wharf
For Premeire, QSV>NVENC due to the fact it is supported by more effects
vivid copper
But when we talking 80 class cards and up you're not bothering with quick sync
At least i don't when i use premier
mossy venture
Trust quick sync isn't all it's cracked up to be. Nividia nvenc is still superio...
LOL
cursive wharf
Then for codec encoding perf on premiere, it's a mixed bag for whether QSV or NVENC is better. Depends on the codec, res, and bitrate.
vivid copper
Yeah i generally see the quality of nvenc is equal to if not better. And it can be done is generally 1/3 of the time.
Decoding as well nvenc is better on my PCs than Quicksync
HEVC/H.265 playback and scrubbing is alot smoother
vivid copper
Sad that it requires double the power and additional cooling to have the 13900k ...
Yeah and that's Intel's main issue. The power consuption of i7/i9 parts are insane. People don't realize that even the 13700K will thermal throttle under full load in literal seconds. That's why i laugh when people want 2K builds but think a $40 cooler is okay for a technically 16 core CPU. Sadly it's the lack of them not being able to keep up with TSMC and their smaller processes. Hopefully arrow lake will solve that.
mossy venture
14600k is 14 core, and the core count does not dictate the heat. I've tested my 13600k with an fc140 and it did not go over 85c except in prime o5
And the phantom spirit is better.
round cloud
Uh is the 2nd m2 slot under my gpu?
vivid copper
@round cloud That's where your other M.2 slot is
cursive wharf
HEVC/H.265 playback and scrubbing is alot smoother
Afaik NVENC will have a better time with 8bit 4:2:0 HEVC/H265 but QSV will have a better time with 10bit 4:2:2 HEVC/H265.
round cloud
Bad to pull gpu straight out if I can’t reach tab?
vivid copper
Bad to pull gpu straight out if I can’t reach tab?
yes, grab a screwdriver or a butter knife or something do not just yank it out
weary galleon
I was able to reach tab but still unable to pry it free
is the tab pushed down all the way?
vivid copper
Did you unscrew the back bracket from the case?
round cloud
round cloud
Did you unscrew the back bracket from the case?
Yes
I got it
Whew
Nothing tricky about the m2 right
Just put in
vivid copper
I don't know you made pulling out the GPU hard...lol...but put it in at an angle....push it in, screw it down. Simple
weary galleon
make sure there's a standoff in the right spot at the end of the ssd
should be level once screwed down
round cloud
I don't know you made pulling out the GPU hard...lol...but put it in at an angle...
I’ve done it on a few PCs before, this one def harder by a fair margin
Also paranoia
vivid copper
it's just your nerves...its the same everytime.
cursive wharf
Yeah and that's Intel's main issue. The power consuption of i7/i9 parts are insa...
Noise normalized perf of the PS isnt much worse then 360 AIOs tho. Using Tom's Hardware/TPU tests, PS shouldnt have any problems with a 14600K.
AIOs typically win significantly by being louder.
TH P95 test of 14600k does cross the 200w mark, but still lower then what PS can do
vivid copper
Noise normalized perf of the PS isnt much worse then 360 AIOs tho. Using Tom's H...
I appreciate the going out the way to find some testing that aligns with a certain persons or your said views, but when it comes to the insults and the elitism of opinions around here, don't waste your time. It's shows pure immaturity and lack of critical thinking on some people's part. Said person is blocked and the topic is over with.
cursive wharf
Im here for the build recommendations and that is all
vivid copper
We can go back and forth all day and pull up thousands of charts that support each or own opinions. I have no interest in going back and forth for gotcha or i'm right moments. Don't have the energy.
I'll just drop my recommendations and move along. It's not that deep or serious to me.
flint sapphire
$35 for a good enough cooler can stretch budgets by quite a bit. Definitely warrants consideration putting together builds imo; gunna leave it at that
vivid copper
Im here for the build recommendations and that is all
Then let's leave it at that. #building-and-recc-chat message That says i'm trying to prove a point. Not i'm here for the builds.
nimble sedge
fart
manic cloak
Sickle
vivid copper
Got to go to computer managment, then disk management...initialize the new drive
lone flame
odd question but what'd be the best way to change this build to a full black, no rgb build? only things that would stay the same would be gpu/cpu/storage/psu, case h6 flow if possible
mossy venture
Smthn like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gXN9RK
Though lowkey, at that price
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155693883953?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Depends what you value though
high field
I’ve been having problems still with the 4080 and 7800x3d where it’s giving a black screen on shut down and the graphics card isn’t the problem because I put it in another one of my pc and still doesn’t work
vivid copper
odd question but what'd be the best way to change this build to a full black, no...
what's your budget?
lone flame
what's your budget?
doesnt matter
lone flame
Smthn like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gXN9RK
what fans would you reccomend
and are there any good black aios
mossy venture
C12c for fans
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/99XV3C/thermalright-frozen-prism-argb-704-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-prism-360-black
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ttt9TW/ek-aio-280-d-rgb-116-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ek-aio-280-d-rgb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TMMMnQ/thermalright-frozen-prism-704-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-prism-240-black
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kXwypg/deepcool-ls720-8585-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-r-ls720-bkamnt-g-1
I'd say one of those
Can disable the rgb
I think my choice of them would be the ek 280 or frozen prism
vivid copper
odd question but what'd be the best way to change this build to a full black, no...
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MM7nN6 That's if you want to keep said parts and stay within the NZXT aesthetic....a 360 AIO is mad overkill for a 7600 non x but if you want that case it makes sense to fill it up.
lone flame
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MM7nN6 That's if you want to keep said parts and s...
i just mainly like the h6, I heard their fans aren't great
vivid copper
i just mainly like the h6, I heard their fans aren't great
You're not picking super high end components that need to be super cooled so the quality of the fans would more than likely be sufficient....there are plenty of all black airflow cases that come empty if you want to pick your own fans. 64 CFM for 120mm fans is pretty good on airflow and at a max of 22.5 db that's really quiet.
lone flame
the plan is for an xt or xtx late this year
vivid copper
i just mainly like the h6, I heard their fans aren't great
But if you wanted fans that move a ton of air and are super quiet and don't mind replacing the ones that come with the case then you're looking at something like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nhcVL9
lone flame
i heard the silent wings were really good so I may go with those
vivid copper
Yeah they're noctua type cooling/airflow without the noctua price tag. Grab a fan controller for the PWM and you'd be in business.
lone flame
Yeah they're noctua type cooling/airflow without the noctua price tag. Grab a fa...
any controller you specifcally recommend?
leaden raft
so sick of my nice computer just deciding to run like crap
pseudo pollen
Fix it
vivid copper
any controller you specifcally recommend?
since we talking no RGB that's all you would need https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Case-Fan-Hub-Distributor/dp/B0887VG14J?th=1
leaden raft
so whack its so inconsistent when it starts running like crap
high field
I’ve been having problems still with the 4080 and 7800x3d where it’s giving a bl...
????
lunar estuary
I am looking for a replacement for my NAS server motherboard/processor/fan/memory. I am leaning toward a xeon 8 core processor. I'd like to have multiple gig-e ports onboard as well as minimal (VGA or DVI or HDMI) video onboard.
I'd love to have a ton of sata ports, but that is not a show-stopper as I have a pciex16 sata controller card. If I can find a good deal on a dual xeon processor motherboard, that would be great as well 🙂
lunar estuary
budget, of course. I am willing to go 300-400. I can get the RAM from another source as I have coupons I can use with Dell. Not sure what you mean by x79/x99
plucky timber
x79/x99 are chipsets for LGA-2011
lunar estuary
I do want at least 6-8 cores as the server runs several jails (sort of like lightweight VM's)
plucky timber
What about a single 10 core cpu?
lunar estuary
Not hung up on the chipset. 10 core would be amazing
plucky timber
Single socket boards are cheaper than dual socket ones
lunar estuary
I just assume that the xeon family is better hardened for server applications
plucky timber
The platform supports ECC memory
lunar estuary
By that I mean more heat-tolerant, more robust
plucky timber
And typically you get get more pcie lanes
lunar estuary
Do you HAVE to use ECC in an ECC board?
I would love to use ECC, but I imagine its expensive
plucky timber
I mean are they even expensive for ddr3?
lunar estuary
I currently have DDR3 RAM (not ECC)
plucky timber
And they're dirt cheap anyways
You probably don't need ecc but
Some bundles come with them so
Free ram
I'd look for AliExpress for a cpu+motherboard+ram bundle
plucky timber
AliExpress is where you fet cheap x99 bundles
lunar estuary
I have only used them for small items that I don't need to rely on 😉
plucky timber
x79 supports sandy bridge/ivy bridge processors
while x99 supports haswell/broadwell
The question is what is your use case
lunar estuary
english please 🙂
plucky timber
Basic x99 supports newer processors
lunar estuary
Its a NAS that has a couple of light-weight VM's. Each VM is on its own network port for separations
it runs 24x7
plucky timber
do you need a xeon?
plucky timber
You could probably look at used ryzens
lunar estuary
do
lunar estuary
Well, now you're talking
plucky timber
The xeons are only good if you're on a very tight budget
And needed high core count
lunar estuary
The only reason I think I need more cores is to support the VM's
plucky timber
What are the requirements?
Consumer grade boards are a bit lacking in sata ports and pcie lanes
lunar estuary
I have the NAS, a web server VM, a Plex server, and a database server
plucky timber
Yes but what are the hardware requirements
lunar estuary
Its running TrueNAS
I have 14 SATA drives
2TB each (for the most part)
They are currently connected to a SATA controller in one of the IDE ports
plucky timber
hmm
lunar estuary
I have a four port network card that supports the NAS, plex, and server. I am going to be standing up the database server in the near future that will take the other network port
plucky timber
So that's one pcie x16 gone
lunar estuary
correct
I currently have a video card, but only because the motherboard does not have video onboard
plucky timber
And the cheaper motherboards definitely won't have enough lanes
hmm
What's your current hardware right now
Honestly the xeons are looking more appealing
lunar estuary
So, if I can find a motherboard with 4 ports and a simple video output, I only have to deal with the sata controller
plucky timber
There's no onboard video
lunar estuary
I have an ASUS M5A99X EVO
plucky timber
It's dependant on the processor
AM3+
Oh lol anything would be an massive upgrade
lunar estuary
some of the processor/cpy combos I am looking at have 4 ethernet ports and vga onboard
plucky timber
Are they ancient?
lunar estuary
I'm trying to reduce the number of boards to reduce the heat 😕
probably, but I have a system that is over 10 years old 😄
plucky timber
Because most motherboards don't do onboard video since LGA775
lunar estuary
Even servers?
lunar estuary
fair enough, but it is nice to be able to change the bios settings
plucky timber
True
Honestly you can get a 10+ core for pretty cheap if you get an AliExpress x99 bundle
lunar estuary
I guess you can drop in a video card to change the bios
plucky timber
Tho if you want more pcie lanes you'd have to spend more
lunar estuary
I really appreciate your help with this. I'm going to jump on alibaba for a sec to check it out
what do you suggest I search for?
pseudo pollen
I was actually thinking of getting a dual cpu combo (with mobo and ram ofc) and it's only $260~ish for 36 cores and 64gb of ram
lunar estuary
wow! where do you see that?!
plucky timber
kinda meh
pseudo pollen
2696 v3 is better according to this tho
pseudo pollen
used ryzen what? r7?
pseudo pollen
they're not going to perform nearly as close in things that aren't gaming. Multithreaded workloads are going to benefit greatly from the extra cores
plucky timber
they're not going to perform nearly as close in things that aren't gaming. Multi...
They're also double the price of single socket bundles
lunar estuary
Like Einstein said: "everything's relative"... I'm coming from 10-year old tech
pseudo pollen
getting some new tech would be nice, would it not?
I personally have a 14 core i5 13500
although it costs $250 by itself lol
lunar estuary
Well within my budget
plucky timber
I mean he could just get a higher core count cpu instead of dual socket
lunar estuary
I can get the memory for free basically
plucky timber
Remember, more cpu means more heat and power consumption too
pseudo pollen
I mean he could just get a higher core count cpu instead of dual socket
36 cores tho, i don't think so
lunar estuary
I thought the dual core was for redundancy?
plucky timber
36 cores tho, i don't think so
He doesn't need 36 cores
pseudo pollen
I thought the dual core was for redundancy?
nope, higher core count
pseudo pollen
true, I just saw you talking about aliexpress combos and thought that I'd bring an option up
lunar estuary
I'm really impressed with the aliexpress pricese
pseudo pollen
but, it's cheap
plucky timber
That's why it's cheap
lunar estuary
so dual cpu is only for more cores, not for redundancy?
pseudo pollen
yeah
plucky timber
For your use case it'll just be a drain on power
lunar estuary
@plucky timber mentioned that the Ryzen was pretty good on power
plucky timber
You mentioned that your budget was $400?
lunar estuary
Yes
plucky timber
It's probably possible to get a ryzen and a motherboard with a decent amount of pcie lanes for that budget
Used ofc
vivid copper
Any modern 8 core and up processor will destroy any of those old xenon and HEDT in everything....not sure why you wanna even bother with such old hardware....
lunar estuary
But I can get the memory from dell for free/cheap
so that means I could go to $400 without memory
pseudo pollen
[if you neeed cores, you could technically fit a 13600k
but you'd need to get ddr5
lunar estuary
that's OK
plucky timber
I'd go for a used ryzen tbh
lunar estuary
tbh?
plucky timber
remember you also need a board with enough pcie lanes
lunar estuary
so "ryzen motherboard bundle" didn't do anything for me on alibaba
lunar estuary
on newegg they are crazy-expensive
lunar estuary
suggestions?
plucky timber
I'm not familiar with your market
lunar estuary
found this one (board only) on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Rack-X470D4U-Asrock-Motherboard/dp/B07PNFTPGB/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=ryzen%2Bmotherboard%2Bserver%2Batx&qid=1704252419&s=pc&sr=1-4&th=1
it has three ethernet ports, but says it only supports two? Can anyone suggest a cpu?
nevermind. It seems that the cpus are only 4 coure
wary ruin
Hi Mr. Roomba - My last build was close to 10 years ago - lots changed. I have a MSI Z790 Gaming Pro Wifi MB, Deepcool LS720, Thermalake Smart BM3 650W and a Gamemax M905 Full Tower
analog hearth
^ the most NPC thing I've read since last year 💀
runic spruce
Should be pinned
plucky timber
he's not even here lol
plucky timber
ah yes
crimson zinc
Fill that out.
plucky timber
now there he is
plucky timber
<@339248198084198401> do you want another challenge build
wdym by that?
plucky timber
<@339248198084198401> do you want another challenge build
if you want a challenge, $100 gaming pc
used market allowed
crimson zinc
wdym by that?
Like I give you stipulations and you build accordingly
plucky timber
oh ok
crimson zinc
if you want a challenge, $100 gaming pc
What kind of gaming tho
crimson zinc
sure
$5k budget, but the most complicated build you can make. Like 3 different cases/4cooling systems/etc etc
runic spruce
used market allowed
Chromebook
plucky timber
$5k budget, but the most complicated build you can make. Like 3 different cases/...
does it all have to be in one case
runic spruce
Free from school
crimson zinc
does it all have to be in one case
It does not
But you must make it seem like only a nasa scientist could build it
But it needs to be functional lmao
plucky timber
not bad
awww
wanted to put funny dual cpus but like
there's not anything recent
wait
I have a stupid idea
plucky timber
It does not
But you must make it seem like only a nasa scientist could build it...
would dual socket cpus score more points than having a threadripper?
because the threadripper will destroy anything on x99
but the cool factor
ok
I'm just gonna
do something funny then
crimson zinc
Do whatever your heart feels is right
crimson zinc
and functional
plucky timber
oh it will
I might have gone slightly overbudget
@crimson zinc https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rf2Y28
actually I'm gonna swap out the psu
actually i don't think it'll even power two 4090s
gonna have to take one of them out
sad
actually no the 4090s won't work
the aio doesn't reach
plucky timber
the gpus don't work
hold up
this could... work
@crimson zinc this is the functional list
previous list had the aios just flaoting in the case
crimson zinc
I love that there’s a $1,200 part in there, and then an $18 part
plucky timber
and also psu would've blown up with two 4090s and a crap load of xeons
crimson zinc
This list is so bonked
plucky timber
ok
here's the jank part
the 4090 is mounted with the xeons
and the 4070 is mounted with the i7
it's so scuffed
crimson zinc
plucky timber
I couldn't found a dual slot 4090
unless i go into custom liquid cooling
which uh
that's gonna double the price
crimson zinc
You did go over budget
crimson zinc
I was gonna dock you .5 points for it
crimson zinc
plucky timber
there are no errors
pcpp doesn't pick up the custom part
a whole dual socket motherboard
crimson zinc
then I have 2 wrong lists in my own pcpp
plucky timber
with three m.2 slots
plucky timber
~~then I have 2 wrong lists in my own pcpp~~
the x99 bundle is listed as a custom part
it didn't account for that
crimson zinc
I give you a 9.5 out of 10 for the nasa-how-would-you-even-afford-your-electric-bill-after-this?-build
plucky timber
trying to fix the ssd thing
crimson zinc
I should do build challenges every week when it’s a bit of downtime for this chat
So I’m not interrupting, but still having some fun
crimson zinc
I’m talking like, doing these a bit later in the day so the people who actually need help aren’t getting swamped out by a crackhead telling people to make dumb builds lmao
crimson zinc
YOU MADE IT WORK
plucky timber
gotta try a nvme
crimson zinc
plucky timber
NOOO
NVME is $2 overbudget
oh well the sata is staying
ahahha this is so stupid i love it
so here's the config
plucky timber
PC 1:
Xeon E5 2696 v3 x 2
Assassin X x2
Dual socket x99 motherboard
16GB DDR3 x8
RTX 4070
4TB MP34 x2
4TB QX
PC 2:
i9 14900K
Arctic LF2 280mm
Asrock Z790M-ITX
2x32GB DDR5-6000
RTX 4090
MP34 4TB
Both:
Enthoo Pro 2
HX1500i
it's funny how the 4090 is paired with the xeons just because it doesn't fit where the 14900k is
crimson zinc
That hurts my bank account by looking at it
plucky timber
It's so stupid
the only thing stopping it from being dumber is the budget and case limitations
And you know what's the funny part
I could see myself getting something like this
Albeit with the systems flipped
Having the xeon in an itx board to run a nas or something
7800x3d main system
crimson zinc
I would love to see this built
plucky timber
The dumb list?
Or a more realistic take on it
my vision for a more realistic version is having a modern platform as the main system
and then have a high core count xeon in an itx board running a nas
probably with gpu swapped out with a 7900xtx and with the second gpu replaced with a 710 or something
at that point it's actually quite practical
you got a nas and a gaming pc in the same chassis
cyan ravine
thoughts?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zFLY28
send ur current build
weary galleon
$120 of fans
Just get thermalright c12 or arctic p12 pst (I believe both have 140mm as well)
cyan ravine
I mean I could comment but I'd rather see what the current build is first before I speak lol
manic cloak
well
with the H6 flow
it comes with 3 120mm fans for the angled front, then likely you put the AIO on top, and then you probably want two 140mm on the bottom and a 120mm rear ofc considering that builds selection
so i'm guessing you want all the fans to look the same because you got the AIO with the same exact fans.. hm
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fw4jqR even though I don't know your original build, this saves you around 200$.
cyan ravine
I'd go lower
manic cloak
Only issue is that they don't make those 120mm fans into 140mm, so I selected a few for you. The AIO pump does have RGB but it's likely you can just disable that, also it's detachable from the looks of it. You could leave in those extra 3 NZXT fans if you'd like
manic cloak
I'd go lower
Ya that's the issue, he's buying a asethetic case, a black mobo (idk which mobo he has so that's a problem) and around 70$ worth of fans
also an AIO
cyan ravine
E12's look like ppc fans which are fine if you don't mind like, 55db of pc noise with everything you do
manic cloak
oh my
honest anchor
Hello anyone wanna help / recommend me a 1200$ pc gaming build? Pc partpicker list would be nice. Some white aesthetics too
manic cloak
so those thermalrights are loud..
cyan ravine
I'm not sure if they are
manic cloak
Hello anyone wanna help / recommend me a 1200$ pc gaming build? Pc partpicker li...
USD, any preferences? Live near a Microcenter?
cyan ravine
but they definitely resemble noctua and asussy ppc's
manic cloak
makes sense
I mean they had more options
but with the singles they're like 8-10$ a piece, and some were cheaper cause they were "extreme" but had red rubbers to stop the shaking so
honest anchor
USD, any preferences? Live near a Microcenter?
Usd, unfortunately not close to microcenter but close to central computers
manic cloak
but with the singles they're like 8-10$ a piece, and some were cheaper cause the...
these were the best fans I could find for price and that match the AIO
manic cloak
Usd, unfortunately not close to microcenter but close to central computers
alright and you want ALL white or? Also any size of the PC preference? Small, just right, big?
and I assume your doing 2k or high end 1080p resolution?
weary galleon
so those thermalrights are loud..
You want thermalright C12 not E12
honest anchor
alright and you want ALL white or? Also any size of the PC preference? Small, ju...
Black mobo is fine. Add deepcool ak620 would be nice
Also Matx size
weary galleon
I'm not sure if they are
They have "extreme" in the name and claim 78cfm. For $6/ea I'm guessing they're real loud lol
manic cloak
Black mobo is fine. Add deepcool ak620 would be nice
there's better coolers than the deepcool ak620, phantomspirit example
plus I could get you an AIO for the same price as an ak620 I believe
manic cloak
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fw4jqR even though I don't know your original buil...
i'll have to change the AIO, find some 140mm fans aswell
cyan ravine
@lone flame what I'd do for all black but idk your current build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dsGwCd
ditch the case rgb fans
then get a cablemod corsair replacement cable kit
honest anchor
there's better coolers than the deepcool ak620, phantomspirit example
Ok
cyan ravine
@honest anchor wifi or nah
honest anchor
<@864061952689831967> wifi or nah
With wifi 6 would be nice
White case would be nice also
manic cloak
and any plans to overclock now or in the future?
cyan ravine
sky is that p41 plus on sale still on tt
honest anchor
<@864061952689831967> rgb?
Minimal
manic cloak
sky is that p41 plus on sale still on tt
uhh I can't check, phone's in repair shop rn
cyan ravine
I'll assume yes
manic cloak
but probably
honest anchor
and any plans to overclock now or in the future?
No oc needed
cyan ravine
but I'll put two m.2 in case it's not
honest anchor
1440p preferred
honest anchor
Radeon gpu preferred also
honest anchor
1440p will hit
No.
cyan ravine
no to monitor or to 1440p lol
honest anchor
No to monitor i mean
manic cloak
manic cloak
same price but better card
ah
ngl I like the spectral though but pure got better cooling
that's what I have
just turn off the RGB and you'll be fine
manic cloak
I mean 7700xt exists but is worse than a 6800..
cyan ravine
by amazon???
cyan ravine
hmmm
manic cloak
hold on
let me launch bluestacks
I think mobo and cpu are on there too
@honest anchor question, do you have a pc rn or?
honest anchor
<@864061952689831967> question, do you have a pc rn or?
I do but i want one for my nephew
manic cloak
oh sweet
cause you'll have the best (worst) time of your life dealing with something called VPN + Bluestacks
cyan ravine
@honest anchor https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3WF3sh zero rgb almost all white
manic cloak
cause some of these items require uh new tiktok accounts
cyan ravine
<@864061952689831967> https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3WF3sh zero rgb almost all w...
spend $20 on an atec or ezdiy-fab extension cable kit
it would be full white
honest anchor
I can get it from our local store
cyan ravine
oh wow 520
that's way better
lemme update list above
there we go
alternatively
ditch the rgb fans in either of these lists btw
use the 3 I linked
honest anchor
Ok im writing all the list yall recommend haha, thank you so much
cyan ravine
@honest anchor ever used tiktok before? the ssd and psu are bought off the newegg tiktok shop
they're quite cheap for the price, worth the effort for a new account
honest anchor
<@864061952689831967> ever used tiktok before? the ssd and psu are bought off th...
I dont. Im planning to buy straight off our local store
cyan ravine
ah
manic cloak
ya.. don't do that
cyan ravine
try not to stick to one store, it can blow out your budget
if they have better prices tho, by all means
honest anchor
Ok.
manic cloak
Tiktok they do 79.99-20$ +10$ + tax..
honest anchor
I dont trust amazon
manic cloak
so if you do the math, it's gonna be like 80$
manic cloak
I dont trust amazon
?
cyan ravine
I think amazon is the only place to get these fans
cyan ravine
they're quite cheap, sold from the manufacturer
manic cloak
but not the same price
cyan ravine
or otherwise amazon themselves
honest anchor
Bought a psu and amd cpu while back,
Psu was defective
And amd 5800x , i got box but the cpu was missing
That was 2 years ago
honest anchor
Yeah
honest anchor
Yeah i did get a refund
honest anchor
Yeah
cyan ravine
sounds like someone swiped from your package
I would say they're not normally like that
lol
I've bought thousands off of amazon personally and the only time I had something sketchy was a stereo system that was still in the box
box had definitely been searched through though
manic cloak
I realized I can get 6000cl30 for around 74$ from tiktok
honest anchor
For now im tempted to upgrade to am5 but i think its not needed
cyan ravine
I realized I can get 6000cl30 for around 74$ from tiktok
which
manic cloak
gskill
cyan ravine
which
manic cloak
I don't have a ddr5 mobo 😭
cyan ravine
so full white build
cyan ravine
For now im tempted to upgrade to am5 but i think its not needed
depends if you keep anything from your old pc or not
it's a whole new platform so
updated them both
honest anchor
depends if you keep anything from your old pc or not
Yeah
cyan ravine
if you decide to keep your old cpu, if it's like, ryzen 5K or intel 10th gen or newer
it's probably fine
(not low end)
but AM5 will have very long-term support so
cyan ravine
it's promised for "2025 and beyond"
plucky timber
oh
honest anchor
Im still using am4 platform. I think il last for couple more years
cyan ravine
4100
cyan ravine
Im still using am4 platform. I think il last for couple more years
did you want to stay on it or give it to family
honest anchor
did you want to stay on it or give it to family
Stay, but when it gets old yeah il give it to my family haha
manic cloak
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/K9Fbt6,rKGbt6,FDJp99 hmmm.. All 20$ off on tiktok
cyan ravine
Left or right
not middle
z690 asrock is mid
heard pg is even more mid than mid
lol
cyan ravine
meh
cyan ravine
z790-s is worth the $9 if you plan on faster ram
manic cloak
and it's got less USB ports than a gigabvte board
wait no
PCPP is wrong
6 USB, 1 USB C
ngl I hate mobo's without the built in IO shield or the wifi not being on a long magnetic antenna
manic cloak
heard pg is even more mid than mid
that PG looks promising though, issue is LGA1700 is a dying gen
honest anchor
Iv decided to go for montech air 100 it looks nice. does the rgb fans already cones wit it?
manic cloak
mhm
cyan ravine
ye
honest anchor
Ow nice
manic cloak
and RGB is able to be turned off
cyan ravine
air 100 is a nice case
manic cloak
4 RGB fans are with it
also it has a hinge glass panel
so no thumb screws to uninstall and reinstall
honest anchor
Can i control the rgb?
honest anchor
Cool
manic cloak
Cool
your pure graphics card will have just around 10mm of room
so in my opinion, buy a GPU stand (small ones off of amazon for like 5-10$) and it'll stop sagging, or you can literally use anything that supports it correctly. I use a mcdonalds toy to hold mine up lol
and since you have a single tower cooler, you'll have a bunch of room to put example, a figure on the graphics card.
honest anchor
Doesnt saphire pure comes with bracket?
cyan ravine
It might do
the higher end ones do
have you put your pc into the list?
cos I might suggest something completely different here for your budget depending on your build
scarlet rampart
Can someone help me
Js bought a 3090 from a friend , what are the steps in installing the new gpu?
when i plug it in, its js a black screen
crimson zinc
Well, first, try making sure it exists in this same fabric of reality
Then follow Felix’s advice
cyan ravine
@honest anchor suggestion
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6sy9RK
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NvHQL9
looked into this case, apparently quite decent
and I don't normally say that about gamemax
their psus are...questionable at best
cyan ravine
Js bought a 3090 from a friend , what are the steps in installing the new gpu?
so take us through what you've done so far
did you ddu?
all the power plugs put in?
scarlet rampart
Yes i did that and it shutdown my computer
cyan ravine
you do ddu from safe mode
scarlet rampart
Yes
scarlet rampart
Yes all in
cyan ravine
it clicked into the slot properly?
scarlet rampart
Yup i heard the click sound it locked in
fossil cedar
Is the hdmi /dp in the gpu
scarlet rampart
the only cable that is plugged into the gpu is the hdmi
cyan ravine
ye, plugged all the way in as well?
scarlet rampart
Yes
scarlet rampart
Ill try to look for one rq
scarlet rampart
Yeah it does
fossil cedar
Before that I'd just replug hdmi and power connectors
cyan ravine
yesterday we had someone with a very similar issue so my memory is fresh on the subject
fossil cedar
Even if they're fully in
cyan ravine
Before that I'd just replug hdmi and power connectors
not a bad idea really
just double check all of it
if you can as well, make the attempt to reseat into the pcie slot
fossil cedar
There's been plenty a time I've pressed to make sure it's in but replugging fixed it
scarlet rampart
if you can as well, make the attempt to reseat into the pcie slot
Mb what does that mean
cyan ravine
take the gpu out of the motherboard slot
all the way
then pop it back in
screw it back up so it stays in place
(I recommend a gpu support brace for a 3090 btw)
(side note)
fossil cedar
Make sure to press the latch under the gpu down before attempting to remove it btw
scarlet rampart
Yes i did dat
fossil cedar
And uh obviously turn the pc off before trying to take things out
scarlet rampart
Alri i reconnected the cables
Did the gpu in and out
Turned it on rn
It lights up
But still a black screen
cyan ravine
ok try dp cable\
sometimes a gpu won't poll the plug the displayout is in
and you need to switch to another monitor to get it to trigger
can also more importantly depend on the monitor
some don't wake in specific situations
I have this myself with my 4090 and FV43U
need to turn off the screen and back on to wake it up
sometimes
scarlet rampart
So I unfortunately dont have a dp cable
scarlet rampart
yes
cyan ravine
try it
scarlet rampart
Nope neither
fossil cedar
Sending a picture of the gpu might be no harm either
cyan ravine
true
fossil cedar
One from the case side one as the back of the pc
cyan ravine
did your friend say why he wanted to sell it
scarlet rampart
scarlet rampart
did your friend say *why* he wanted to sell it
He’s js selling his whole pc setup
cyan ravine
what in the
scarlet rampart
What
scarlet rampart
Turbo?
cyan ravine
what 3090 even is that
scarlet rampart
Not sure
cyan ravine
I need to google this
scarlet rampart
So yah im not sure what 3090 this is
cyan ravine
can you take it out and send us more pics
it's a blower card
but I don't recognise it
runic spruce
Was the pc a prebuilt
scarlet rampart
Yah i bought a pre built at first
runic spruce
but I don't recognise it
It’s prob a really custom oem
cyan ravine
I want to confirm it's even a 3090 rn
I've found nothing resembling what I've seen yet
scarlet rampart
runic spruce
No way
cyan ravine
WHAT
scarlet rampart
What
runic spruce
I think it’s a custom cooler now
runic spruce
I just cant believe a cooler that small got approved for a 3090
scarlet rampart
runic spruce
That pcb looks like an evga one
scarlet rampart
runic spruce
That’s not a 3090
cyan ravine
you said this is a 3090 yes?
scarlet rampart
What is it then
cyan ravine
this is no 3090
scarlet rampart
Then what is it?
runic spruce
3060 maybe
cyan ravine
I'd believe 3060 yeah
potent portal
Ain't no way any 3090 uses a single 8 pin
cyan ravine
yep
runic spruce
Ain't no way any 3090 uses a single 8 pin
I thought it was a 12 pin
cyan ravine
unless it was a cpu power
fossil cedar
Ain't no way any 3090 uses a single 8 pin
Or has one fan
fossil cedar
I thought it was a 12 pin
That's 3090ti or FE only
potent portal
I thought it was a 12 pin
That's only on the nvidia first party FE model
cyan ravine
the memory is also NOT ON THE BACK
which, not all 3090s had that
but you'd see the capacitor layout as well
this is not a 3090
nor any GA102
(3080, ti etc.)
scarlet rampart
So is there any solution to all this
fossil cedar
It's a 3070 at best
cyan ravine
So is there any solution to all this
my real question, who is this friend of yours?
lmao
fossil cedar
You got scammed
scarlet rampart
Like straight out the womb friend😂
cyan ravine
how much did you pay for this???
scarlet rampart
Ill get my money bac
runic spruce
Wait the problem was that he got scammed?
scarlet rampart
300
potent portal
Whoever told you this is a 3090 is either yanking your chain or got scammed themselves
cyan ravine
300 and they told you 3090?
cyan ravine
you got it for 150?
ok hold up
let's figure out WHAT card first
I don't want you running off, ruining a friendship 😂
fossil cedar
That's not evga
potent portal
If you can get a better shot of this sticker we can solve it right now
fossil cedar
Asus would make sense they do already make 1 fan cards
scarlet rampart
runic spruce
Hp 3060?
runic spruce
No logo on fan lol
fossil cedar
Hp would make sense ye
cyan ravine
