#building-and-recc-chat

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mossy venture
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You'll just have less trust since new acc, but I've bought with a new account before

rain carbon
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I think i have an old ass account, just gotta try and remember the info

mossy venture
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Ah that'd be nice

rain carbon
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Alright, wish me luck

mossy venture
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Gl, any questions feel free to ping me (and prolly felix with his permission)

formal mica
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I got a 7700x over never used a aio before my fan cooler on it just runs to hot how much better performance will it I get 70 to 80 degree Celsius when I'm pay high intense games

cyan ravine
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AM5 will run hot whether you put a full waterloop on it or run it with an ice cube out of the freezer

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It's hot by design of the cpu, the thick ihs makes heat transfer difficult

mossy venture
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Yeah an aio will not help you

cyan ravine
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I get almost the same temps on my AM5 system and I have a custom loop

mossy venture
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The only reason to get one on am5 is aesthetics

formal mica
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Hmmm

cyan ravine
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Dual air cooler is basically the peak for almost all AM5 as far as ample cooling

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Only like, 7950x benefits

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Not even it's x3d counterpart

formal mica
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So probably don't need a aio then

mossy venture
cyan ravine
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You really won't need one no

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I get the same temps on a custom loop mate

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That should tell you something, and no, it's not a bad loop either

formal mica
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Oof

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Well if I wanted one anesthetics get a Thermaltake one?

cyan ravine
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Get a thermalright frozen

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It won't be ideal, but it's fine

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Frozen 360 should be fine

formal mica
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I'm about to go to microcenter so I just wanted to figure out what I wanted

mossy venture
cyan ravine
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Frozen edge ideally

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If not that

mossy venture
cyan ravine
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Get a deepcool LS or LT

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Even the SE is good

mossy venture
cyan ravine
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It's like cheapest and uses b12's

mossy venture
cyan ravine
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Yeeee

mossy venture
cyan ravine
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OP little package

rain carbon
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What does the H stand for?

mossy venture
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Have

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W is want

cyan ravine
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Have

rain carbon
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So id put W if i were to ask

formal mica
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Why was I never recommended these lol its like 10 bucks more than my air cooler

mossy venture
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You'd want this whole thing

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Just take out so

cyan ravine
mossy venture
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And change CT to your states abbreviation

formal mica
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True

cyan ravine
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These recently went cheap

rain carbon
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Kk

cyan ravine
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Edge is op

mossy venture
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Yeah even frozen notte, which was the first to come out what, 4-5 months ago? Was $70-80

cyan ravine
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It uses noctua fans

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They're just given thermalright labels

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And they come in normal colours

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Not weird noctua brown

formal mica
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Yea I'm rebuilding my pc I really hate the case and how it looks lol

cyan ravine
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Would have no idea which case ur using

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Been too long

formal mica
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Uhh some lian

cyan ravine
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O11?

formal mica
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Lian Lancool mesh

cyan ravine
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Ohhhh

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I think I know roughly the time that was

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Oh that was ages ago

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Lian Li Lancool ii mesh probably

rain carbon
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I might stick with just this instead because im not exactly too comfortable meeting up with random people for a 6800xt. How stark is the performance diff between the 6800 and the xt? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YbdnN6

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@mossy venture is it a big difference or just minor?

cyan ravine
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About 16%

rain carbon
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So itd run about 16% better in comparison?

cyan ravine
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The change to the CPU however should give a near identical improvement tho

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So the difference between the two lists would be marginal in fps

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I'd say about 5% or less between 5700x+6800xt vs 7600+6800

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Unless you play heavy 1440p

rain carbon
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I definitely dont care too much about 4k

cyan ravine
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4K isn't on the cards

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It kinda was when 6800xt dropped

rain carbon
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Or 1440p, neither

cyan ravine
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1080p both are extreme overkill

rain carbon
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Im fine with 1080p

cyan ravine
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1080p I'd recommend 6700xt max

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Anything higher is kind of a waste

mossy venture
cyan ravine
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Yeah I still feel that way

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Cos the jump to 6800 is big

rain carbon
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So most games on say mid to high graphics 1080p would run fine without an xt?

mossy venture
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I feel 6800 at 1080p isn't the worst choice, though $100 over 6700xt is mediocre value for 1080p

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Yes, 6700xt can handle that too

cyan ravine
formal mica
cyan ravine
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You'll likely hit a cpu bottleneck

mossy venture
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I'd do that ^

cyan ravine
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I just wouldn't go for as strong a gpu and pocket the money

formal mica
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Noo go all in gpu

rain carbon
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Looks much more my speed, thank you

cyan ravine
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Use the difference instead on a new monitor

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Like gigabyte g24f 2

mossy venture
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6750xt is about comparable to 3070

cyan ravine
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Improve your gaming experience that way

mossy venture
rain carbon
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Yee im not at all worried about "the prime state highest quality graphics on 120 fps" i just want to run most games on at least 30-60 fps lol

mossy venture
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G2412 is normally around 110-120, as well as some other solid IPS 1080p options

cyan ravine
cyan ravine
mossy venture
cyan ravine
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I have no data on g2412

rain carbon
formal mica
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I was wanting a case that looks real nice the case is what I don't mind spending money on

rain carbon
cyan ravine
mossy venture
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It's similar in quality to g24f 2, but the g24f 2 is a bit better

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One sec lemme check monitor pricing

cyan ravine
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Look up

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O11 vision

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You might prefer that for 150

mossy venture
rain carbon
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I definitely need a new monitor because ive been using like a 10 yo tv as my monitor for a few years now lmao

cyan ravine
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Oh yeah a new monitor for sure then

mossy venture
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A solid 1440p monitor at that

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Honestly I'd get that with the 6750xt

cyan ravine
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I'd do 6800 with that

mossy venture
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From what it sounds like, you'd benefit more from a better quality monitor than higher fps

cyan ravine
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Real

mossy venture
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I can vouch, 1080p to 1440p was a huge difference for me, it was like night and day

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I didn't even realize what I was missing, everything looked so sharp and clear when I switched

formal mica
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If you got a microcenter nearby could look for monitors on sale I got some 2k monitors for 200 bucks when they were 350

rain carbon
mossy venture
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And 6700xt/6750xt can certainly handle 1440p

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Felix what happened to $410 open box/refurb 3080s

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Big sad, theyre at $450-500 now

cyan ravine
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Ironic that they're still less than a 4070

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And still a better buy as a refurb

rain carbon
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So im looking at and have saved the 1440p monitor, the 6750xt, and the bundle of other parts felix sent earlier. Does that bundle of things include stuff like wiring or thermal paste or will i need to get that seperately

mossy venture
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Yep, all comes with it

cyan ravine
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Mhm

rain carbon
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Love to hear

mossy venture
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You'll just need a screw driver, aside from that everything comes in that list

rain carbon
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Youve both been a great help, this definitely feels a lot better than what i started with while (mostly) staying in budget

mossy venture
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And for physically building, if you're unsure of yourself at all there's plenty of tutorials on YouTube, robeytech has a good one

mossy venture
rain carbon
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Im not worried about physically building, ive scanned a bunch of tutorials and will definitely rewatch while im putting it alltogether

mossy venture
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Nice

rain carbon
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Im just hoping it wont fluctuate too much, since i have about 600 aside for it now but still need to save up the rest of the money for it with work

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Idk how much prices go up or down with time but i doubt itd be by too much over like a 4 month period?

mossy venture
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Prices change daily, let alone in a few months. Check back with us when you're ready to buy

rain carbon
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Will do

mossy venture
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I might say order the ssd now, since ssd prices have been rising and will likely continue

rain carbon
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Alright, thanks for the heads up

mossy venture
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Aside from that I'd guess you'll get better prices then compared to rn

rain carbon
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Ill certainly check in once i have the funds put together

mossy venture
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That's not a gaurantee though, pricing is never consistent

formal mica
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Does microcenter Carry any thermalright stuff

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Man dood I just asked and they don't carry any of the stuff I wanted lol

rain carbon
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How much should i pay for a good quality mouse and keyboard? I dont want to get a 15 dollar mouse thatll last me 2 weeks off amazon but i also dont want to overspend too much since ive already went above my budget

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Any recommendations would be appreciated

mossy venture
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Around 40-50 is where you start to get good quality

rain carbon
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Oke doke

mossy venture
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Anything from keychron is a good choice, and ofc other options too but keychron is just great quality at $50-100

little osprey
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What do we think about this?

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Looks to be 140mm fans.

mossy venture
# rain carbon Oke doke

Only downside is it's Bluetooth or wired, if you want wireless and non bluetooth you're looking at something like the v5

mossy venture
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But literally any dual tower from thermalright $45 or less is great value, except for the silver soul line. Silver soul line is only good when your case can't fit their other dual towers

little osprey
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Doesn’t that only have seven heat pipes and 120mm fans?

mossy venture
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Believe so, but there's also other things that matter. Quality of fans, the metal used for the contact, how well designed it is

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From what I know phantom spirit is the best thermalright has to offer, aside from phantom spirit evo

little osprey
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$50.90?

mossy venture
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Yeah its not worth it over the regular phantom spirit

little osprey
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Hmmm, I wonder if it’ll be useful for future projects.

mossy venture
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When it launched it was 41.90

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It's basically phantom spirit but with premium fans and looking so much nicer

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Like I'm not really one for aesthetics but they nailed it so well

little osprey
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Well I just need something that supports LGA1150 and can handle excess heat from overclocking.

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Eh, I’m now thinking the IHS on the i7-4790K is gonna limit me more.

mossy venture
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Likely

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There's also some $45 240mm aios from them, but they perform the same as their dual towers (a good dual tower is just as good as a decent 240mm aio)

rain carbon
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It sucks not knowing the ins and outs of this stuff 😭

little osprey
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This the right one?

mossy venture
mossy venture
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Rgb version is same price if you care for it

rain carbon
mossy venture
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And then once your pc is built, turn it on, you go to bios and set boot priority to the USB and then save and exit bios. It'll download windows and ask you to input a windows key, you can either get one for $10-20, leave it inactivated, or if you have had a windows 7 or newer device in the past you can just sign into that account and it'll activate

mossy venture
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Just not directly from Microsoft. $100 for a windows license is laughable

rain carbon
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On my now broken laptop i bought windows 10 pro for like 15$

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I was surprised it was that easy

mossy venture
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Oh yeah you can just carry over that license, when installing windows just don't input the activation code, and then once in windows sign into that same Microsoft account

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I've used the same windows license for like 6 computers

rain carbon
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The laptop still works a little, it just doesnt take in any charge at all and runs at stupid slow speeds

mossy venture
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Yeah that'll work then

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Just gotta go to Google, search windows media creation tool, download the correct version, open the download and then install it to the USB

rain carbon
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My mom was like "oh i know a guy who can fix it!!!" And took it in for me and gave it to a tech place and i ended up having to pay 100 dollars just for them to give it back and it still not charge

mossy venture
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That's fantastic

rain carbon
mossy venture
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It's likely just a dead battery, or well yhe battery is so old it just doesn't hold charge

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Only way to fix it would be replacing battery

mossy venture
rain carbon
mossy venture
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There's some on the case and some on the mobo

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One minute

rain carbon
mossy venture
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Depends on the model, but I'd guess anywhere from $40-80

rain carbon
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Oh damn thats nothing

mossy venture
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With newer gaming laptops and such having more expensive replacements

rain carbon
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Its like a 5 year old dell laptop, cost me about 500 dollars originally

mossy venture
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Can you link the parts list you're doing?

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I'll check how many usb ports

rain carbon
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Sure, one sec

mossy venture
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I'll see what I can find

rain carbon
mossy venture
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Ah wrong link

rain carbon
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Oh crap

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Yeah i saw that

mossy venture
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It's the one right above all the parts

rain carbon
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There we go

rain carbon
mossy venture
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Ok so mobo has 4 regular USB ports and one USB C port

rain carbon
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I was worried it wouldnt have enough so im glad to see that

mossy venture
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Lemme check case now

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2 regular USB 1 USB c it looks like

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And if you ever need more a USB hub is like $10

little osprey
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Thank you.

mossy venture
little osprey
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Yeah, it’s just more so another cable I don’t wanna deal with.

mossy venture
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Let alone a $120 mobo, and the cheapest am5 ITX mobo

mossy venture
rain carbon
mossy venture
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Eh, can't hurt to have though. Who knows, maybe you'll get into vr which likes a USB c connection

rain carbon
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Imma also mention the people who tried to fix it completely swapped out the charging port, so im unsure how big of a difference that makes

mossy venture
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And some other minor things that I can't think of, but generally it's just useful to have for the sake of having it lol

weary galleon
rain carbon
mossy venture
rain carbon
mossy venture
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So they fixed the charging port, thinking that was the issue. Any repair technician worth their salt would check first

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Oh 100%

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That's fully on them, they didn't even fix it I wouldn't have paid them

rain carbon
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It is what it is, and it was my mom who paid them with my money anyways so i didnt even get a say

mossy venture
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Yeah im familiar with the feeling

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I had a similar scenario where my dad talked me into buying a case and pc from a local pc shop when I was having them build my first pc

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Paid $150 for a $70 very mediocre case and $150 for a very mediocre 750w psu that had fan issues after 7 months and I just replaced it

rain carbon
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Oh yeah thats dreadful

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I refuse to go to anybody i know irl for that kind of advice since i dont really trust them enough to know what theyre talking about

mossy venture
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It's just the amount of misinformation and old information people are operating with

rain carbon
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Im definitely the opposite of a computer guru, but i can also tell when someone knows or doesnt know what theyre talking about

mossy venture
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Peoples knowledge from 2005 isn't exactly relevant anymore

rain carbon
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If it were up to my family id buy a prebuilt from best buy

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Also i just want to mention my laptop is still loading lol

mossy venture
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Lol sounds about right

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There are some decent value pre builts

rain carbon
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Ah finally

mossy venture
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Yesterday someone got a 7900 4070 ti pre built for $1400, which is better value than building yourself, but those deals are rare

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That was a refurb Legion build

rain carbon
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Id love something like that

mossy venture
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I'd it comes back in stock that'd be fantastic

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Same price you get 7600+4070 ti

little osprey
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Anyone know where I can get some cable sleeves or USB cable extensions for cheap?

rain carbon
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Dell Inspiron 3583

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There we go

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This is what i could find relating to it

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Idk if thats what id need or

mossy venture
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Sorry had to go for a few min

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And that battery looks like it

rain carbon
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With a beefy card like that its hard not to be good computer

rain carbon
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Im a bit scared to open up my laptop but i doubt it could be that bad

mossy venture
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Def follow a tutorial

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I'd watch a tutorial before you order it tbh, just to see what you're gonna have to do

rain carbon
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Oh not only will i look up a tutorial im gonna look for the original design template

timid hill
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is the am5 uprgrade worth it?

mossy venture
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Depends what you're coming from

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Actually depends on a lot of things

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Budget, what you're using the pc for, resolution, gpu, what you currently have, pricing in your country

timid hill
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one of my friends was talking about it but he said it was expensive

mossy venture
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Eh

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7600 with mobo and ram is less than 5800x3d mobo and ram

timid hill
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i guess

mossy venture
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7600/7800x3d are best value when you're building a new system rn

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Except for when 12600k is on sale at $140-160

mossy venture
timid hill
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he was saying the ryzen 5 7600 was a good option

mossy venture
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It is

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What do you currently have?

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Ik you just did that fresh build

timid hill
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ryzen 5 5500

mossy venture
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7600 would be a very noticeable jump

timid hill
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ok

mossy venture
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Though you'd notice more by upgrading gpu first

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5500 can handle something around a 6700xt

timid hill
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right how i have a 2060 so that’s true

mossy venture
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Ye

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Gpu would be much more noticeable

timid hill
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i would like to stay on the nvidia side though

mossy venture
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Cheapest nvidia gpu worth buying new is 4070

timid hill
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i heard 3060s were a good upgrade and not expensive

mossy venture
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All other 40 series is terrible value even compared to last gen

mossy venture
timid hill
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ok

mossy venture
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And costs very similar to what 6700xt costs, and 6700xt is 35% better

timid hill
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how much is a 4070?

mossy venture
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$535-550, but if you'd consider used 3060 ti, 3070, 2080 ti, 2080 super, and anything better would be a great upgrade

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4070 is similar to a 3080

timid hill
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ok

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maybe i’ll go for 2080ti

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or the 3070

mossy venture
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They perform very similarly, 2080 ti has more vram which could help in some newer games

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Just depends what prices you see

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I'd say 200-250, 3060 ti/2080s/2080 ti, 275 3070, 300-415 3080 10gb or 12gb

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And obviously less

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That's the prices I'd pay for those anyways

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2080 would also be a decent upgrade if you can find it cheap

timid hill
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ok

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i found the 2060 for 130 lightly used so

mossy venture
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That's a fairly normal price

timid hill
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i think i’ll save and go 40 series

mossy venture
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40 series refresh comes out soon, so that could change pricing around

timid hill
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ok

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probably for the better i’m guessing?

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so i’ll just wait

languid nimbus
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should yes

rain carbon
little osprey
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You’ll just need to download and install drivers.

rain carbon
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Kk, thank you

edgy jasper
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Can someone help me with a potentially dumb question?

mossy venture
edgy jasper
# mossy venture Ask away

So my sata cable has 3 connectors right? I need another connector for the things I bought. How do I possibly get one more?

mossy venture
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Like for your psu?

edgy jasper
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Yes

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It has 3 heads for sata plugs, I need 4 is there any way to add an adapter to it to get more or is there a cable I can buy with more on it?

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@mossy venture

mossy venture
edgy jasper
# mossy venture What psu is it, is it modular, semi modular, or non?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017HA3SO0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1&irclickid=zgB3FWwiaxyPTCxztt2SI17tUkHxDl35wTb4RM0&ref=dmm_asc_ir_4061861_zgB3FWwiaxyPTCxztt2SI17tUkHxDl35wTb4RM0&irgwc=1

EVGA 850 GQ, 80+ GOLD 850W, Semi Modular, EVGA ECO Mode, 5 Year War...

Introducing the latest in the EVGA Power supply line-up; The gq series. These power supplies take some of the best features from EVGA award winning power supplies, like EVGA eco fan mode for near silent operation, Japanese capacitor design and a highly efficient design, at an excellent value. The...

mossy venture
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Ok so it has more sata power ports, you just need to get another cable I'm assuming. You want to use the manufacturers, mixing psu cables is not a great idea

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I'll see if they're on amazon, otherwise I'd contact evga customer support or see if evga sells the cables separately

mossy venture
# edgy jasper https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017HA3SO0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?...

This says it's compatible but it's not directly from evga
https://www.amazon.com/COMeap-Drive-Power-Adapter-Modular/dp/B08CT7FC1K/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1CM59S3QBKS1A&keywords=evga+gq+sata+cable&qid=1703988520&sprefix=evga+gq+%2Caps%2C111&sr=8-3

COMeap 6 Pin to 3X 15 Pin SATA Hard Drive HDD Power Adapter Cable O...

COMeap 6 Pin to 3X 15 Pin SATA Hard Drive HDD Power Adapter Cable Only for EVGA GQ Series Semi Modular PSUs 20-in(50cm)

edgy jasper
formal mica
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is Adorama a safe site to buy stuff?

mossy venture
mossy venture
formal mica
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very in meaning yes right no sarcastic?

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you got a place to buy rhat thermalright frozen edge I didnt see it on newegg and amazon just has bad reviews on everything

formal mica
mossy venture
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Genuine

vale birch
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curious if anyone else in here is into AI inference generation. Since a new PC is en route I'm wondering if I should set up a Linux OS (I'd like some of the familiarities of MacOS). Wondering if anyone has used this OS with stable-diffusion? Is it fairly straightforward to setup?

formal mica
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Where should someone buy color cables?

potent portal
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Nothing about AI generation is "straightforward"

potent portal
crimson zinc
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@potent portal how good of a mood are you in rn

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I would like to issue you a challenge to build, if you’re interested

potent portal
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I just finished something and I'm about to start dinner but I can start on that in a little bit

crimson zinc
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Let me know when you’re free, gotta have your mind-juices flowing

mossy venture
potent portal
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Bacca does do some killer lists, even with odd requests included

obsidian wigeon
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i sorta half ass these

crimson zinc
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I was just gotta give you a little challenge to do
Make some fun for the channel

mossy venture
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I'm down

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Depending on the challenge*

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If its going to take me 20 minutes ima pass for the moment

obsidian wigeon
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well in serious builds i can do a decent job too, im just not very good with challenges

crimson zinc
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I can give each of you one, if you want

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@mossy venture $700 limit, but make it as transparent/clear as possible, but still able to run a modern game on high

@obsidian wigeon $800, but make it as unreliable as possible

@potent portal $400, make a Newegg only budget build for early 2000’s games

obsidian wigeon
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unreliable? ok

crimson zinc
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You have to use the entire limit

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(Max of $15 over)

mossy venture
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Tiktok shop allowed?

crimson zinc
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Yours and foxy, yes

obsidian wigeon
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wish special pc kekw

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but im lazy so pcpp it is

crimson zinc
mossy venture
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I just didn't feel like dealing with searching each part on tt shop

crimson zinc
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That’s pretty well done

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Terrifying to see right through a pc kekw

obsidian wigeon
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certified bomb

crimson zinc
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WHAT IS THAT FAN

obsidian wigeon
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cursed i know

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5950x torture

formal mica
obsidian wigeon
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cheapest board possible

crimson zinc
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why

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who would do such a thing

obsidian wigeon
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the ok one is the other apevia

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but this, this one is actually bad

mossy venture
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Could do Thermaltake smart

obsidian wigeon
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n1 actually

mossy venture
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Is the captain worse?

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Ooh yes

obsidian wigeon
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melting pc

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lemme redo something

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over $15 max

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captain seems to be the most i can stuff

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worst way to spend $800

crimson zinc
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Seeing that build makes me want to hide beneath a desk

mossy venture
obsidian wigeon
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no, leave the house

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asap

crimson zinc
obsidian wigeon
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right

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hm ok

crimson zinc
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Doing these challenges makes you think in a whole different sense

I love it

obsidian wigeon
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workstation?

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no, portable arson

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hp version has smol oc

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helps burning faster

cyan ravine
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Wh-

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What

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Oh I get it

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Wow

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Weird time to walk in

obsidian wigeon
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yep

cyan ravine
obsidian wigeon
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worst pc challenge

cyan ravine
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What happened to that list I made a while ago

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3x gtx 1050 sli

obsidian wigeon
#

idk, this one is $800 bomb challenge

cyan ravine
#

Ah

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Last one I did was like, 162K for 3x1050 + some old xeon

obsidian wigeon
#

sheesh

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162k for just that

cyan ravine
#

6 camera streaming setup

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6 monitors

obsidian wigeon
#

gaymurr

cyan ravine
#

8 corsair 2tb ssd's worth 2K each

#

Cos coarse hair

obsidian wigeon
#

raidmax psu?

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must hab

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in my case i hilariously have the problem of

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"herp muh psu ain't bad enough but i can't spend more for the worse one, it's more moners"

cyan ravine
#

I can't remember it was something ridiculous

#

Like a 2015 ax1600i or something

crimson zinc
#

WAIT FELIX

#

IS THAT ME ON YOUR HEADER

potent portal
#

I thought I'd give the AI builder a whirl before doing my challenge. Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this?

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obsidian wigeon
#

nothing

#

but the board can certainly get cheaper if you do manual pcpp

#

and the unnecessary cooler

potent portal
#

I see three things immediately wrong

obsidian wigeon
#

wait

#

the psu PepeRealizes

#

psu, cooler, board

potent portal
#

The third one is a big one

#

The board, eh

obsidian wigeon
#

case?

potent portal
#

Think core components

obsidian wigeon
#

oookay

potent portal
#

Give up?

obsidian wigeon
#

nah

#

ram? hmmm

potent portal
#

Nope

obsidian wigeon
#

hm

#

cpu

potent portal
#

What things are required for post

obsidian wigeon
#

bios!

#

right? kekw

potent portal
#

THERE'S NO GPU

obsidian wigeon
#

but

#

the cpu has an igpu

potent portal
#

No

obsidian wigeon
#

okay my memory is bad

potent portal
#

It even says in the name "none integrated graphics" lol

obsidian wigeon
#

i lost pepelmao

potent portal
#

Only the G chips have iGPU

obsidian wigeon
#

i didn't see the none

potent portal
#

None of that "ships from china" bs either

crimson zinc
#

That… is actually good

potent portal
#

It even has wifi

cyan ravine
#

Wao

obsidian wigeon
#

very good cheep pc

formal mica
#

Whats a good wall mount for a monitor?

little osprey
#

Uh.

#

Realistically anything should work.

formal mica
#

ok didnt know if you needed anything special

manic cloak
#

Anyone here familar with AMD overlay?

#

for the GPU

#

I just updated to the most recent, I was on october drivers and basically they combined the UI and Overlay selection

#

so if I turn on one thing for the UI in performance tab, the overlay will get it. I want that seprate. Like all the UI features open in Performance tab then select things within the overlay

cursive wharf
# cyan ravine 3x gtx 1050 sli

Did you consider using the NVENC unlocker at the time so that only two GPUs where needed (for six monitors)? RN it's also built into NVCleanstall, the betterer Nvidia driver installer.
I know with the budget it wouldnt make sense to do the software hacky solution. But Im wondering if it'd be worth it for managing less GPUs, cuz I know that can sometimes be a pain. Could've also taken the GPU budget and did XX60 with GT710 and only use the higher end GPU for transcoding (I assume this was done at least during or after Turing, so could get better NVENC version is the point here).
https://github.com/keylase/nvidia-patch/tree/master/win

GitHub
nvidia-patch/win at master · keylase/nvidia-patch

This patch removes restriction on maximum number of simultaneous NVENC video encoding sessions imposed by Nvidia to consumer-grade GPUs. - keylase/nvidia-patch

cyan ravine
#

The 1050 was ridiculous like 3K a piece or something

cursive wharf
cyan ravine
#

Ye pretty much

#

I could've added more screens maybe

flat anchor
#

Guys what is better water cooling or air cooling for pc

cyan ravine
#

9/10 times on a normal desktop it's air-cooling

plucky timber
#

It depends on a few things

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If you're cooling something like an i5 you probably won't need a liquid cooler

#

And a decent air cooler will outperform a lot of 120mm aios

#

Basically it's hard to answer unless we know what hardware we're dealing with

obsidian wigeon
#

and a 7800x3d will happily run on air coolers

#

being the best cpu for gaming value there is

#

no, actually one of the best performing gaming cpus there is rn

cyan ravine
#

It's too broad without considering the cpu individually

obsidian wigeon
#

ye

cyan ravine
#

Lots of cpus are more than happy under a lot of budget options for air coolers these days tho

plucky timber
#

And also the fact that a good air cooler is better than a mediocre liquid cooler

#

Unless it's like ITX where a 120mm might be the only option you have due to lack of space

obsidian wigeon
#

some mediocre aios also leaks or clogs up

#

enermax

plucky timber
#

But then again compact air coolers exist too

#

But idk how those perform against 120mm aios

cyan ravine
#

I'd say it's more about value for money rather than specific performance if you know the right ones to pick

plucky timber
#

I mean even an AK620 works for most cpus

cyan ravine
#

Very few cpus truly need water for just desktop

obsidian wigeon
#

on 7800x3d for example having aio is pretty much a fancy thing

#

not meaningful to a useful extent

#

i like the cpu, don't judge me pepelmao

cyan ravine
plucky timber
#

What's the deal with the 7800x3d

cyan ravine
#

Wym

#

WHAT THE DEAL WITH AIRLINE FOOD-kinda question?

plucky timber
#

Like how does it compare to a non x3d

#

Or is there just not one

cyan ravine
#

It's just a really cold cpu

#

All am5 under 100W is cold af

plucky timber
#

I haven't been up to date with ryzen 7000

#

The naming convention is confusing me

cyan ravine
#

But am5 in general just about all runs just fine on air cooling

#

Pretty much tapped

plucky timber
#

so like

#

Is the 7800x3d good value?

cyan ravine
#

It's the ihs design, it has poor thermal transfer

#

Yes

#

For 3 reasons

obsidian wigeon
#

cold cpu

#

speedy gamer

#

cheap platform

cyan ravine
#

A. Ram doesn't need to be fast (good practice to still pick a good kit)
B. Almost any motherboard runs it comfortably (some need downdraft coolers for vrm)
C. The cooling requisite is stupidly low

plucky timber
#

how much is it?

cyan ravine
#

The stock amd box coolers run X3D

#

Like 350?

#

Ish

plucky timber
#

Oh

cyan ravine
#

I mean

obsidian wigeon
#

x3d is 350 usually

plucky timber
#

Didn't the 5800x cost more msrp?

#

Wtf?

obsidian wigeon
#

boards go for $125 for wifi

cyan ravine
#

Relative to a 14600K? One could make an argument either or

obsidian wigeon
#

or you can even do below 125 if you don't want wifi

cyan ravine
#

But x3d is the best gaming bang for the buck really

#

For high end

obsidian wigeon
#

but a620m pro rs is very gud

#

3 m.2 slots

#

the last one might be gen 3 but still

plucky timber
#

So you're saying

#

The funny x3d released cheaper than the 5800x

cyan ravine
#

I don't remember

obsidian wigeon
#

it was like 400

#

i think

#

at launch

cyan ravine
#

Ryzen 5K released mid covid

#

Not really a good gauge

obsidian wigeon
#

ah it was $449 msrp

cyan ravine
#

Certainly people at release of 5K weren't all getting msrp

plucky timber
#

For 5800x?

obsidian wigeon
#

no 7800x3d

plucky timber
#

Meh

obsidian wigeon
#

it was 449 at launch

#

prices fell when decent a series boards came

plucky timber
#

I mean either way

cyan ravine
#

Ryzen 7K had a cold reception due to mobo costs

plucky timber
#

This is better than zen 3 value

obsidian wigeon
#

early am5 mobos were piss expensive

cyan ravine
#

AM6 probably won't have the same value for money like AM5 does as a platform

obsidian wigeon
#

$200 for b650

plucky timber
#

I remember 5800x3d being outrageous in price

#

Wait

#

Are they already making am6?

cyan ravine
#

No

obsidian wigeon
#

no

cyan ravine
#

Just speculating

obsidian wigeon
#

am6 is when ddr6 comes pepelmao

cyan ravine
#

Lol

plucky timber
#

Honestly I stopped paying attention to the market since ryzen 5k

#

So I could literally do every part other than then cpu

#

Are there non X3Ds tho?

obsidian wigeon
#

ye

#

7700x

plucky timber
#

And are they worth over the x3d

obsidian wigeon
#

and below

#

and nah

#

7600 is the only one worth

plucky timber
#

huh

#

Fascinating

#

So it's the opposite of zen 2

obsidian wigeon
#

7700x is too closely priced to 7800x3d

plucky timber
#

Where you don't get the fancy one

#

lmao what's the point

#

Are they just bad bins

obsidian wigeon
#

it's probably a lure for clueless people

#

no, 7700x is non 3d cache

plucky timber
#

oh

cyan ravine
#

7600, 7700, 7800x3d, 7950x

#

Really the only ones you should consider

plucky timber
#

Wouldn't it literally be cheaper for amd to make more 7800x3ds

cyan ravine
#

7900 also

#

The non x just makes so much sense

plucky timber
#

ohh there's a non x?

cyan ravine
#

Otherwise x but enable eco mode

obsidian wigeon
#

right, 7700 makes more sense

plucky timber
#

Amd's product line's been messing me up

cyan ravine
#

So lower power but far better value

plucky timber
#

I'm using ryzen 5000 logic

cyan ravine
#

Comes with a 65w cooler too

#

So like

#

Full set

obsidian wigeon
#

ryzen 7k is a whole different animal

plucky timber
#

The damn naming conventions changes every generation

#

Reeeee

cyan ravine
#

No no, ryzen 5k followed this

obsidian wigeon
#

5600GT kekw

cyan ravine
#

Just the non x had oem variants

obsidian wigeon
#

5600G but refreshed

plucky timber
#

Aren't the Xs bad value tho

cyan ravine
#

They can be yes

obsidian wigeon
#

usually yes, but not during sales

cyan ravine
#

Sometimes they're cheaper

obsidian wigeon
#

the x are out first

plucky timber
#

ohhh

obsidian wigeon
#

so they usually get deals

cyan ravine
#

Or sometimes the need of the buyer goes beyond the inclusions

#

Like "Uhm I need this corsair aio"

obsidian wigeon
plucky timber
#

For a 5600x

cyan ravine
#

To which I normally ignore

obsidian wigeon
#

some are firm

cyan ravine
#

Because I don't affirm bad decisions

obsidian wigeon
#

which are sad

plucky timber
#

I hate corsair products (except psus)

obsidian wigeon
#

we had people coming in

plucky timber
#

They're just incredibly mid for the price

obsidian wigeon
#

asking for affirmation on bad part choice

cyan ravine
#

Corsair psus and cases, only things worth looking at

obsidian wigeon
#

leaves when unhappy

plucky timber
#

Ehhh

cyan ravine
#

They have aios worth over half a grand now

plucky timber
#

Some of their cases should be cheaper

cyan ravine
#

And they perform like $100 ones

plucky timber
#

Some designs are quite old

#

Like the 700d

obsidian wigeon
#

i have now become a shill of fractal pop series

cyan ravine
obsidian wigeon
#

for higher budget builds

plucky timber
#

I mean it's a good case

cyan ravine
plucky timber
#

But like

obsidian wigeon
#

ap201 is compacc choice

plucky timber
#

For older designs they should drop prices a bit

obsidian wigeon
#

but personally i love pop

cyan ravine
#

Tmw asus' best recc in 2023 was a case

obsidian wigeon
#

kek

cyan ravine
#

They don't do that

#

Instead they release a new lineup worth more

obsidian wigeon
#

lives up to the name and logo

plucky timber
#

Noctua moment

obsidian wigeon
#

pirate deviousfroge

plucky timber
#

But less stagnation

cyan ravine
#

Corsair more like Staleair

obsidian wigeon
#

noctua is so lame these days

#

esp with thermalright

plucky timber
#

Has noctua even released anything good these days?

cyan ravine
plucky timber
#

The D15 is too chunky

cyan ravine
#

Thermalright the new noctua

obsidian wigeon
#

they keep delaying stuff

#

is nt-h2 paste even worth it anymore

cyan ravine
#

B12, C12C, K12, Peerless and frost tower

#

All these things trump basically all noctua

#

(inc. 140mm variants)

plucky timber
#

For how much?

#

Because like

cyan ravine
#

Like

obsidian wigeon
#

c12c's are unbelievably cheap for decent fans

cyan ravine
#

A third

plucky timber
#

If a $30 cooler beats a D15

#

That's funny

cyan ravine
#

Yes

obsidian wigeon
#

it does

plucky timber
#

AHAHAHAH

cyan ravine
#

Why do you think we recommend it so much

obsidian wigeon
#

they have $30 coolers killing noctua

plucky timber
#

So that means it actually gets close to the arctic LF2 too?

cyan ravine
#

No

#

360+420 lives on

obsidian wigeon
#

ehh

plucky timber
#

280mm i mean

cyan ravine
#

It's just useless for 98% of people

obsidian wigeon
#

below 360 i wouldn't say so

cyan ravine
#

280 kinda

plucky timber
#

I mean even if it's slightly worse

cyan ravine
#

I mean 360≈280

plucky timber
#

It's $30

cyan ravine
#

It's not much difference

#

No

plucky timber
#

So basically

cyan ravine
#

For the amount you pay more

#

It's definitely better value in the tower

obsidian wigeon
#

what it can't match is simply noise, the $30 thermalright coolers against noctua

plucky timber
#

So AIOs literally aren't worth under 360mm

obsidian wigeon
#

but like, it's not a concern

cyan ravine
obsidian wigeon
#

huh

cyan ravine
#

K12, B12 are identical fans to Noctua A12's

plucky timber
#

I mean can't you just strap some silent fans on it

cyan ravine
#

Like literally from the same factory

#

Thermalright evo coolers will match noctua for sound

#

You're thinking of deepcool AK

obsidian wigeon
#

noctua losing hard not having their own factory kek

cyan ravine
#

Their fans are loud

plucky timber
#

Why is thermalright based

obsidian wigeon
#

isn't thermalright the one who has the factory that makes noctuas

cyan ravine
#

We had someone here saying thermalrigjt was cheap crap the other day

plucky timber
#

For the love of god

cyan ravine
#

Get outta here cath

plucky timber
obsidian wigeon
#

landing da hammuh

plucky timber
#

Wasn't that the kid that got asked for feedback and then got annoyed at the feedback?

cyan ravine
#

Foxy ban it

plucky timber
#

Mein gott go away

cyan ravine
#

Thx

obsidian wigeon
#

yw

plucky timber
#

i hate bots

cyan ravine
obsidian wigeon
#

lol

cyan ravine
#

As I said I don't affirm bad decisions

obsidian wigeon
#

i hate people like these

cyan ravine
#

So he just got upset I wouldn't agree

plucky timber
#

He was like "bro you're stripping the build"

cyan ravine
#

Yeah I was

obsidian wigeon
#

who asks for affirmation and gets mad

#

"why can't i have my pc use coarse hair parts? i heard they're the best, you're just destroying my pc!!!"

plucky timber
#

I mean you could've added some RGB and all the fancy stuff and it'll STILL BE CHEAPER than his list

cyan ravine
#

I just don't agree with people wanting to spend more than like, 10% of their budget to make a build look a certain way

#

I have my own limits

plucky timber
#

I was trying to say this for like 30 minutes but he didn't care enough

obsidian wigeon
#

the people using all corsair parts think they're so original

cyan ravine
#

Normally when people do that

plucky timber
#

Ughhhh

cyan ravine
#

They post in like

plucky timber
#

Pcmr kids

cyan ravine
#

Multiple discords

obsidian wigeon
#

ye

#

asking for validation

cyan ravine
plucky timber
#

I hate pcmr tbh

obsidian wigeon
#

leaves every one that doesn't say "ye, it gud"

leaden mauve
#

I got banned from buildapc an have no clue why

#

All the reddit servers are terrible

cyan ravine
#

I've been threatened in other discords for my opinions before

#

Idgaf I say how I feel

#

Got banned from r/nvidia

obsidian wigeon
#

people are ignorant

plucky timber
#

It's like

#

Toxic stupidity

leaden mauve
obsidian wigeon
#

that's called ignorance pft

#

i lurked corsair for a bit, can't stand the cringe

#

left pepelmao

cyan ravine
plucky timber
#

ughhhhhhhhhhh

leaden mauve
#

🥴

obsidian wigeon
#

im not surprised

plucky timber
#

I mean it REALLY depends on use case

leaden mauve
#

But its Nvidia it has to be

#

Greeeeeeeen

cyan ravine
plucky timber
#

Even blender and ai?

obsidian wigeon
#

4060ti is bad in all use cases, unless you really want nvenc i guess??

#

ai on 4060ti lol

cyan ravine
#

They'd tell you to get 40 series for ai over 30 series

obsidian wigeon
#

8 gigs ain't getting you nowhere

leaden mauve
#

Or get it for rly cheap ig

plucky timber
#

Oh wait it's a 6700XT

#

AHAHAHAHHA

obsidian wigeon
#

isn't 6700xt on ROCm too

plucky timber
#

I mean to be fair

#

For AI you wouldn't get a consumer grade card

obsidian wigeon
#

ROCm lets amd cards run cuds

plucky timber
#

Maybe a radeon VII lol

#

Would that even run AI?

cyan ravine
#

They'll tell you to pick a card with a 128bit bus over a 256 bit for ai acceleration and get mad when you demonstrate just how stupid that is

plucky timber
#

Wait so it's actually better even for AI?

#

So what's the selling point then lol

cyan ravine
#

AI needs vram and bit bus

#

Not just tensor

plucky timber
#

lol

#

Radeon VII vs 4060ti

obsidian wigeon
#

radeons with ROCm can easily run cuda AI languages

plucky timber
#

Imagine if the VII wins

obsidian wigeon
#

VII is so old tbh

#

more and more are dying

plucky timber
#

Doesn't the VII has 16GB of hbm2 tho

cyan ravine
#

VII is ironically not the worst at some things

obsidian wigeon
#

the hbm2 is why they tend to die

cyan ravine
#

It aged better than people think

obsidian wigeon
#

or amd skill issues

plucky timber
#

It always strikes me as more of a compute card

obsidian wigeon
#

it was marketed as such too

#

poor gaming perf was obvious

plucky timber
#

I miss it when radeon would release gpus with HBM

#

I mean they're not cost effective

#

But they're cool

cyan ravine
#

If hbm wasn't as niche it probably would be a good idea

obsidian wigeon
#

even then radeons have always had wider bus width compared to same nvidia offerings

#

nvidia's way with this gen is cutting down on bus width

plucky timber
#

So there is literally no argument for nvidia

cyan ravine
plucky timber
#

Even if it's a niche workload

cyan ravine
#

No I definitely remember, rdna2 vs ampere

#

Ampere has bigger bit bus

obsidian wigeon
#

ah

cyan ravine
#

I think rdna 3 they changed that somewhat

#

But 3090 vs 6900xt

obsidian wigeon
#

nvidia crippled it with ada PepeRealizes

cyan ravine
#

384 vs 256

plucky timber
#

nvidia's pulling an intel

cyan ravine
#

I specifically remember this

obsidian wigeon
#

my 4050 loses to 3060 laptop in some games

#

due to narrow bus width

cyan ravine
#

GA102 in general has a wide enough bus

plucky timber
obsidian wigeon
#

it's a bit annoying

cyan ravine
obsidian wigeon
#

96 bit bus lmao

cyan ravine
#

Welcome to cost cutting

plucky timber
#

So my laptop would absolutely destroy yours despite it being way older?

#

That's stupid

cyan ravine
#

Mhm

obsidian wigeon
#

1.2k for crippled 4050

#

ye

plucky timber
#

AHAHAH

#

That's the same as my laptop

#

Yikes

cyan ravine
#

It still wasn't a bad buy tho

plucky timber
#

💀

#

To be fair my laptop was a few months used

cyan ravine
#

He's not US

obsidian wigeon
#

i would say it's still worth it

#

given my circumstances

plucky timber
#

So it's not a fair comparison

#

True

obsidian wigeon
#

could only buy under financing

#

from one retail

plucky timber
#

Asian market tends to have bad pricing too

cyan ravine
#

Asian markets are all over the place

plucky timber
#

Asian markets that's not china

obsidian wigeon
#

i jinxed it with 7600s being oos

cyan ravine
#

Some places it's dirt cheap to do desktop

plucky timber
#

(china)

cyan ravine
#

Others laptops are always better value

obsidian wigeon
#

desktop is definitely cheap here but

#

i can't use desktops pepelmao

#

disabilities moment

cyan ravine
#

I have a lot of people I know in Asia and they're often asking

#

So I have a good gauge of like

plucky timber
#

Desktops are fun until you have to move for school/uni

cyan ravine
#

India, SG, MY, PH

plucky timber
#

Then they become a pain

obsidian wigeon
#

i love my lappy not gonna lie despite nvidia's ass moves

cyan ravine
obsidian wigeon
#

1080 perf in most cases satisfies me

plucky timber
#

Still need a monitor tho

cyan ravine
#

I keep saying it but my next build is itx 1000%

obsidian wigeon
#

xtx itx

#

perfect

plucky timber
#

I use my laptop in school so

cyan ravine
#

I nearly bought itx a couple weeks ago

plucky timber
#

I had to sell my desktop

cyan ravine
#

I'm debating flipping the 5900x rn

plucky timber
#

Do it

cyan ravine
#

Going itx 6900xt +7600

#

Maybe

obsidian wigeon
#

i wish nitro v15 came earlier tho

#

my mom sometimes complains to me about the price of the tuf

#

lol

cyan ravine
obsidian wigeon
#

right

#

had no better opportunity

plucky timber
#

There will always be a better deal

cyan ravine
#

I want to swap the tuf for a 7900m lappy

#

But my concern is

#

My god this tuf lappy is good

plucky timber
#

I mean I bought the GM7000 recently

obsidian wigeon
#

i waited for a year after i first got told by her she'd get me a laptop brrrr

plucky timber
#

I know a better value ssd will come

#

But this 2TB space cap in my laptop is really annoying me so

#

I just had to get it

obsidian wigeon
#

at that time i almost had her pull the trigger on a gigabyte g5 with 3060

#

good thing i didn't

cyan ravine
#

G5 was definitely the shorter straw

#

I wish I had a LOQ

#

LOQ op

obsidian wigeon
#

i just wanted nitro v15 cuz cheep reasons

#

but eh

plucky timber
#

My main problem with my laptop is probably not enough display space

obsidian wigeon
#

im satisfied

plucky timber
#

But like

obsidian wigeon
#

got better lappy than i could imagine

plucky timber
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That's not a laptop problem that's a setup problem

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I do have a spare Haswell lappy

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I traded a crappy sandy bridge for it

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My mum liked the bigger screen on the sandy bridge so

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I think I'll use that as a third screen

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Gonna install the most minimal arch linux thing ever

cyan ravine
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💀

plucky timber
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Do I even need a desktop environment if I'm just reading documents on it?

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I can just make it all cli

obsidian wigeon
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i haven't touched my laptop since i had an accident

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it's pretty much kept in its bag

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sadge

plucky timber
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Oof

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Basically my setup is like this

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First monitor is usually what I'm working on

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Second monitor is notes & browser page/documentation

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And sometimes when I'm looking at multiple things it becomes really cramped

obsidian wigeon
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my phone gets used a lot

plucky timber
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So that's why i want a third display

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So i could comfortably read stuff

obsidian wigeon
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im definitely shopping for a mi 10t/pro when i have money

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if batt hasn't degraded a lot, gud

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if not $30 for a replacement deviousfroge

plucky timber
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I remember destroyed my phone battery and charging cable

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It was not fun

obsidian wigeon
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im not skilled enough to fix phones

plucky timber
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I was stuck with a redmi 6 for a month

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Because i was in Australia and shipping took forever

obsidian wigeon
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if only phones had removable batts again

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i wouldn't be so concerned about phone choice

plucky timber
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I want a red magic

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But price

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Tbh i can get new old stock when this poco dies

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Not like soc really matter these days

obsidian wigeon
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i initially insisted oled but

plucky timber
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  • I don't need a good camera (phone cams are all crap anyways)
obsidian wigeon
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unless i wanna be stuck with midrange or below

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it's the burned in oled high end phones that are available

plucky timber
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L

obsidian wigeon
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something as recent as mi 11 lite 5g, some even already has burn in

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others look immaculate

plucky timber
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I have no burn in after like 3 years

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Which is surprising

obsidian wigeon
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do you use high brightness a lot?

plucky timber
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Depends

obsidian wigeon
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brightness is oled's worst enemy

plucky timber
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It is on high like half the time

obsidian wigeon
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and how long you run the phone on high

plucky timber
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Hours

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Per day

obsidian wigeon
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hm

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im still kinda confused why 2 year old phones can have burn in

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people with bad eyes i guess

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i never run my phone at max brightness unless i need to

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so to cut this concern i might as well get ips phones

plucky timber
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Maybe it's because i mostly use it for discord?

obsidian wigeon
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discord is dark, yeah

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oleds burn in fastest with static images on a white background