#building-and-recc-chat

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cyan ravine
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if it still doesn't fix it, amazon has a great return policy

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it's a great psu

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used the older version of this myself

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that I could doubt but never rule out. Again, this is speculation

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I, we, don't know if this would be the answer to the problem

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you gotta go through and knock things off

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it could be a bad cpu mount that finally showed it's true colours

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could be a dying ram stick

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etc etc

south lark
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Yeh alright, maybe I should just buy this and try

cyan ravine
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it's your call, I'm definitely leaning towards psu first considering it just, won't even try to turn on

south lark
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The ram is new the cpu mount is pre good I think, it’s got a new water cooler and basically everything is new besides the mobo and psu

cyan ravine
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fair enough

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a dead vrm could even be possible on the mobo

south lark
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So if it was a mobo issue the fans would come on yeh, like it would try to come on?

cyan ravine
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if the issue wasn't really bad, yeah

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it would turn on or try to

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this isn't even trying

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like kaput

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I can suggest a new mobo as well to try next if you like

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if everything else is refreshed, wouldn't hurt to rule it out

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esp. since it's a mid m-k

south lark
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Yeh, I really don’t want it to be a mobo issue, replacing it is so annoying

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Yeh that would be good

cyan ravine
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atx or matx case

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which one have you got

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also wifi yes or no

south lark
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I’m not to sure, it’s an inwin 303

cyan ravine
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wifi?

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or ethernet

south lark
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Ethernet

cyan ravine
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I gotta dip after this

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ok sweet

south lark
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All g thanks for trying to help

cyan ravine
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this also could work

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alr I'm out, I wish you luck mate, let us know how it goes

south lark
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Thank u!

fossil cedar
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Try taking out and putting back in the ram, make sure the ram is in slots 2 and 4 if you count from left to right

random atlas
strong raft
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If replacement ram isn't a fix, I sometimes glance at cpu/mobo pins as being an issue.

random atlas
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Agree - checked one of the CPU's yesterday and seemed ok (I'm building 2 machines with same config and both have this issue)

flint sapphire
random atlas
flint sapphire
jolly riverBOT
zinc glen
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@sullen spoke do you have any ideas how to fix the wifi problem?

random atlas
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Had to wait for my lunch break to try the 2 suggestions. I had previously reset CMOS as few times but did it again and left the machines running for 30 mins - same issue unfortunately

flint sapphire
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hopefully it works but if it doesnt im out of suggestions

random atlas
flint sapphire
fossil cedar
random atlas
flint sapphire
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alright

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last maybe suggestion but it seems like youve done it already. push down on your ram a bit to make sure absolutely sure its seated correctly

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it takes a more force then a lot of people are comfortable with to seat it correctly

fossil cedar
random atlas
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I reseated and checked the CPUs yesterday. Also confirmed the RAM is in as far as it can go. You know, I started building PCs 30 years ago but haven't built one from scratch for 10 years or so - thought maybe I was getting rusty and was missing something. I can't think of anything else and while the likelihood of having 2 boards DOA is slim, I guess it's possible. Will try the new RAM when it arrives and then look to replace the boards if I still have the problem. Any thoughts on the board (ASUS TUF Gaming Z790-Plus WiFi)? Should I replace with something different?

void zephyr
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4080vs7900xtxvs4090. Currently have 4080 zotac. I feel is incredibly poor value when trying to game at 4k. Thoughts?

mossy venture
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I mean to be honest, I'd imagine you spent around $1300 or so on these builds?

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For that you can easily fit in a 7800xt

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With a cpu that beats the 12900k in gaming, and matches multi core

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12900k and KS are just really bad value. It's almost never worth it to buy a flagship of a past generation new

random atlas
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That's fair

mossy venture
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How much did they cost you, if you know?

random atlas
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I feel like just a newb again

mossy venture
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$1650 or so gets you a top of the line 7900xtx build

mossy venture
random atlas
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for both kits around 3600 Canadian

mossy venture
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I would never recommend buying parts based off of a targeted brand

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$3600 cad?

random atlas
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yep

mossy venture
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Each, or 1800 each

random atlas
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for 2 pc builds

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1800 each

mossy venture
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Lemme grab a list for canada

mossy venture
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And I know your son is gaming, what do you use your pc for?

random atlas
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I do a bit of gaming nothing heavy though. More work related. Not fussed about RGB

mossy venture
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Would you want identical lists for both builds, or can do one more targeted for gaming and one more workstation focused for you

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And what work tasks do you do? Is it just Google docs and websites and such, or is it programs like blender, Adobe suite, anything along those lines?

random atlas
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They can be the same.

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My work is CPU intensive

mossy venture
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There we go

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Obviously I'm not telling you to return everything, it's just what I'd do with the money spent. It's your choice what to swap out and what to keep, if you even swap anything out

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14700k is actually a lot better than 12900k in both multi core and single core

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This is a multi core performance comparison

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And then this is single core

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Didn't include 7600 in the multi core comparison bc it's not even close, it's a 6 core cpu comparing to cpus with 14+ cores

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But multi core perf doesn't matter for most games

random atlas
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interesting.... recommended cooler for the AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor?

manic cloak
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Stock cooler

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Or even a 20$ cooler would work

mossy venture
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Stock cooler is fine, but if you want one any basic $20 single tower is fine

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Or you could do peerless assassin, it's among the top of the like air coolers at $45

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It just won't matter on a 7600 though

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It might make a difference when upgrading to 8000 series, but imo just use stock cooler and upgrade cooler down the line if needed

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If you want a cheaper gpu, 7800xt is $680 or 4070 is $700

manic cloak
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Hey bacca quick question

mossy venture
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Yeah what's up?

manic cloak
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Wouldn’t that be a better psu than the cooler master?

mossy venture
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True, I just hesitate to recommend gigabyte psus. The udgm is tested and good, but a good majority of people stay away from gigglebytes psus due to the pgm

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I'd be fine with using it myself, I just don't recommend it to others typically

manic cloak
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There’s also a CX750M for 89.99

random atlas
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I assume you don't like the one I got - CORSAIR RM850e

mossy venture
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Oh rm850e is great

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It just depends on the price you paid for it

manic cloak
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^

mossy venture
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I wouldnt trust it with a 4070 ti

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4070 sure

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7800xt iffy

manic cloak
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I’d trust the 7800xt with it

mossy venture
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Someone here yesterday had issues with 6800 on the cxm 650

manic cloak
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Oh 😭

mossy venture
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There's likely at least a few parts that are good quality and aren't worth the annoyance of returning

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Like rm850e at 150 cad or thereabouts isn't terrible value

random atlas
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I think I paid 135 CAD

mossy venture
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Yeah thats solid

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$25 extra for an A tier 850 over a B tier 750 (tier list is pinned in #cases-psu-and-cooling if you want to take a look through it)

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For the 6650xt build though it's super super overkill

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The 6650xt is fine on a decent 450w

random atlas
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Thank you so much for your efforts here. I'll chat with my son and decide which path to take. I truly appreciate your assistance!!

mossy venture
primal linden
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Can I plug a case fan into CPU_OPT

little osprey
crimson zinc
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All of my old pc parts have finally sold
Except my 6700xt

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@mossy venture my niece would like to ask a very pink favour

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She got a bunch of money from Christmas, so she came to ask me if she can build a “Barbie pink” pc. She’s been obsessed with Barbie since the movie came out a few months ago.

weary galleon
crimson zinc
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F

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I hope I can find a prebuilt for her

weary galleon
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Oh

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Good luck with a pink prebuilt

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Gonna pay pink tax + prebuilt tax + maybe pink-prebuilt tax

mossy venture
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Custom I can make a list for you

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Would need a budget tho

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One of those for case

crimson zinc
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So $2,100 max
I’ll cover the extra

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She has now clarified she wants “the colourful lights everywhere”

mossy venture
crimson zinc
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This is her intro into gaming

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She has played on the Wii
That’s her most recent gaming experience

So just give it some oomph, but I doubt she’s gonna be playing cyberpunk at 4K with raytracing

mossy venture
manic cloak
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Ngl

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I think you should just sand a white pc case

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Paint it

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Put a good gloss on it

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Volia

crimson zinc
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That’s a decent idea

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Is there any safe glitter gloss?

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I have ideas if I do that

manic cloak
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I’m not a painter unfortunstely

timid hill
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can some one help? first windows pc and i’m trying to install windows on it but it won’t work

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don’t know what to do

mossy venture
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For monitor options

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Was gonna send earlier but I had to punch into work

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And one sec gonna grab a cheaper one

buoyant rune
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Could someone help me with case fan wiring in dms

dusky hearth
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oh case fan wiring

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what is the problem you are facing?

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you don't know where to plug the cables? or you dont have enough fan headers?

buoyant rune
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Could I send you a picture

dusky hearth
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yeah

dusky hearth
# buoyant rune Could I send you a picture

so one way you can connect the fans is to connect the fans on the front panel, the fans on the top panel, and the fan for the rear, together, so that you have one main cable for each group, and put them on seperate fan headers (idk what mobo you have so you may or may not have enough headers)

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im not too sure if this explaination helped or not lmao

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each fan has 2 cables right? one of the cables is for the "input" (the side with the holes) and a side for the "output" (the side with the pins)

buoyant rune
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Yeah there's 2 cables from each fan

dusky hearth
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basically plug them in like this

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so the previous fan powers and also sends the PWM signal to the next

buoyant rune
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So nothing connected to the PSU?

dusky hearth
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nothing

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just needs to be connected to the mobo

buoyant rune
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And I just do nothing with all those loose 3 pins

dusky hearth
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the mobo will give it the 12v and the pwm signal it needs (unless it's dc controlled speeds, then the mobo would vary the voltage for the speed)

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yep, just make sure it doesnt short on anything

buoyant rune
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Alright thanks

dusky hearth
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np

timid hill
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i have an error that says please power down and connect the clocks power cables for all graphics cards

mossy venture
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Did you connect all gpu power cables?

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If yes, make sure they are fully inserted. At times they can take a lot of pressure

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If you think they're all the way in and they won't budge, dm me screen shots of the pcie power cables at both ends, connecting to the psu and connecting to the gpu

timid hill
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but now it keeps reloading and doing the same thing over and over again

crimson zinc
timid hill
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it’s reloaded about 4 times

crimson zinc
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Would this also work instead? It is pink.

timid hill
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now it says windows can’t install

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it says the computer encountered an unexpected error.windows installations cannot proceed.

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then it asks to restart and does the same thing

mossy venture
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You can also paint a gpu

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Can take the shroud off and hydro dip it, spray paint it

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Good few options

crimson zinc
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That’s true.
I’ll check what price I can find one for, if not, I’ll grab the one you put.

mossy venture
mossy venture
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There's also plenty of other case options

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That just seemed like the nicest looking one in pink under $100

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I dont like the look of the pop air, but felix says it looks a LOT better in person

crimson zinc
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$600 for that pink gpu on Amazon.

timid hill
mossy venture
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That's not terrible, but is the seller trustworthy?

mossy venture
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And if you're running off of a sata drive, sata power

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What power supply do you have

crimson zinc
timid hill
mossy venture
crimson zinc
mossy venture
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That psu is known for blowing up

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Like

crimson zinc
mossy venture
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Catching fire burning your pc and potentially house down

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If you can return it, do

timid hill
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how did it blow up already i just build it 😭

mossy venture
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If you can't, dont use your pc again

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The psu is just very very bad

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Like

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Among the worst of the worst

crimson zinc
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Very bad

timid hill
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whaaaaaasw

crimson zinc
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You should check that pinned list

timid hill
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why is this happening

mossy venture
timid hill
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yes

mossy venture
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I can link you some better options

crimson zinc
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.

mossy venture
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And what gpu do you have?

timid hill
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ok

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2060

mossy venture
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Then it's fine, imo I would rather a 4070 ti/7900xt and just paint it but it's up to the two of you and how much effort you feel like putting in lmao

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It's not like she's going to be disappointed with a 4070, she'd be fine with a 6600 from what it sounds like

timid hill
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i bought the corsair one

mossy venture
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It's pretty middle of the pack, it's C tier

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So is the Prestige

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The be quiet one is either B or A tier, but obviously decent bit more expensive

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It's new so it isn't on the tier list yet I don't think

timid hill
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the review said it was good

mossy venture
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The cxm?

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Or smart

timid hill
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the smart

mossy venture
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Yeah sadly user reviews are never to be trusted

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Like ever

crimson zinc
timid hill
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aughhh

mossy venture
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Official reviews like hw unboxed, gamers nexus, and other popular tech names love them are great

timid hill
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anything i can do right now tho?

mossy venture
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I wouldnt recommend it, worst case scenario you could kill your pc and potentially start a fire

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So when a psu is made

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It has protections built in

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These protections can basically make a psu off itself before causing major damage, if something is going to go wrong

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The smart lacks basically all protections

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As well as is just so cheaply made, it's extremely liable to have an issue that protections would otherwise protect against

timid hill
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yolo

mossy venture
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Thermaltake has some great psus, the smart is just not among them

timid hill
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i’m tryna game tho

crimson zinc
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The one part you should 100% splurge on, is the PSU. There’s no reason to buy a cheap one and risk thousands worth of damage.

mossy venture
# timid hill yolo

Even using that psu for a couple hours with a 2060, id say you have a 40/60 chance of killing something

timid hill
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i’ve been through hell trying to turn it on

crimson zinc
timid hill
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yolo?

mossy venture
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There's one thing to give yourself some extra safety

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Download msi afterburner

crimson zinc
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If you’re desperate to game, use GeForce NOW.

mossy venture
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Set gpu power limit as low as it can possibly go

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It should be like 45% or 55%

timid hill
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how so i do that

mossy venture
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That is your best chance of not damaging anything, but id still highly advise against it

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Turn pc on

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Open Google

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Search msi afterburner

timid hill
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it’s the first time installing windows

mossy venture
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Download

timid hill
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it’s the first time installing windows i can’t

mossy venture
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Open file explorer, open the file you just downloaded

crimson zinc
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We both very much advise you to wait for this new PSU regardless.

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We can’t stop you, but you’re running a major risk.

mossy venture
timid hill
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nono no

mossy venture
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So you do alr have windows?

timid hill
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this is the error i’ll send a pic

mossy venture
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Gotta dm me it

shut rampart
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6700 xt
$400 budget for 2 monitors
24inch or lower

mossy venture
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24" 1440p isn't really a thing

shut rampart
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Idk if it would fit

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Will it can but then 2nd one won’t be fulling on the desk

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400 each

timid hill
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?cmos

jolly riverBOT
mossy venture
shut rampart
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yeah

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could be less

shut rampart
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mossy venture
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For side monitor, whatever 22-24 1080p/1440p 60/75hz IPS monitor you want

shut rampart
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I will just use my old side monitor I guess

mossy venture
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I'm using a 1050p 60hz TN for my side monitor lol

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Though I do plan to replace it

shut rampart
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I have 46 inch of monitor space

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hopefully it fits

mossy venture
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It should, I have about the same amount of space and fit a 27" and a 24"

shut rampart
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well im saying if I do upgrade the gpu idk what my next gpu upgrade is but I wont need to buy a new monitor

mossy venture
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It's up to you, that monitor is overkill for a 6700xt, and Oled pricing should come down a good bit in a couple years

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But otherwise spend a lot less

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I'd say the acer one I linked, and whatever side monitor

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Which same thing, that'll be good for years to come

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Though m27q and m27q-p have nicer panels

shut rampart
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yeah its cheaper + can prob get another upgrade on my pc part

mossy venture
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Yeah 100%

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I'd rather a 7800xt without oled than a 6700xt with oled

plucky timber
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A friend of mine's looking to build a pc

mossy venture
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I dont believe you

plucky timber
mossy venture
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Yeah sure, gaming?

plucky timber
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Probably

mossy venture
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$1400 budget?

plucky timber
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He sent me the message like 4 hours ago and he's offline rn

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I'm gonna invite him in here later too

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If he doesn't mind

mossy venture
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Wait I gotta change case

plucky timber
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Awesome

mossy venture
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Pure price/perf, mx330-g air, but imo it's ugly

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Aside from that, either focus 2 or 4000d airflow imo

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Or one of the deepcool _60 cases with a mesh front

plucky timber
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hmm alright

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So something like the deepcool CC560?

mossy venture
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And yeah

plucky timber
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oooo

cyan ravine
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The rest are mid/not matx so looks not flush

mossy venture
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I didn't see that, td300 pog

plucky timber
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With a 6800XT?

cyan ravine
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Wouldn't change anything else ngl, maybe the ram to 3200 vulcan, not worth $10 for ripjaws 3600

mossy venture
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But ye it's up to him if 7600+6700xt or 5600+6800. 7600 has upgradability, and possibly better 1080p perf, 5600+6800 less upgradability, better 1440p perf

plucky timber
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true

cyan ravine
cyan ravine
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Lemme look at 7600 rq

mossy venture
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Imo I'd rather the 7600 list

plucky timber
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Yeah he's getting more overall perf

cyan ravine
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Yeah the am5 list is better, swap case to td300 mesh

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That's all I'd do

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You get fans with td300

mossy venture
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And only $5 more than mx330-g air

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Td300 looks so much better

plucky timber
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So these two

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I'll probably only send him the am5

mossy venture
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Yep

cyan ravine
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Yeah either or

plucky timber
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awesome

cyan ravine
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Gaming performance will be fairly similar but slightly better at 1440p for the 5600 one

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But that said, a lot of games will vampire a 5600 now

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So yeah, 7600 will be better overall

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Also @plucky timber

mossy venture
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Plus can just throw in a new cpu whenever it's time to upgrade

cyan ravine
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Tell him to avoid msy and mwave

plucky timber
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And he doesn't have to buy new ram if he upgrade

mossy venture
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Instead of changing platforms entirely

cyan ravine
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Those two shops, SUCK

plucky timber
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💀 oh god

cyan ravine
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Especially mwave, they do aggressive bs like 20% return fees

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And dodgy warranty service

mossy venture
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Will prolly need more storage before then

cyan ravine
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Lemme readjust with those two stores out of the picture

plucky timber
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oh lol gonna send him a new list

mossy venture
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The sp ram is same price at umart

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Ssd needs to change

plucky timber
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gpu

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💀

mossy venture
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Gpu is in stock a few other places

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Pcbyte and umart

cyan ravine
mossy venture
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Td300 umart

cyan ravine
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Wait came out the same

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Kekw

mossy venture
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Yeah lol

plucky timber
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pcpp moment

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I'll probably just tell him to not use the two shops when ordering

cyan ravine
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Ok just say these two use umart and centrecom

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Pc byte good, scorptec good

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Umart owns msy but I've had good experiences with umart so

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The brand doesn't make the shopping clark

mossy venture
plucky timber
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Yes

cyan ravine
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It did ye

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Thanks

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I also encourage him to check pccasegear

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Not on pcpp often

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But really nice store

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They've been great to me in the past

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Right, I need to get back to fixing the pc today

plucky timber
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Alright

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Thanks guys, appreciate it

cyan ravine
mossy venture
shut rampart
mossy venture
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And do you own anything?

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I'm assuming the mobo

shut rampart
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gaming / streaming

mossy venture
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Any reason for two separate ssds?

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Honestly I'd change most of it at your budget

shut rampart
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I own everything on the list but the monitor u added

mossy venture
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Ahh ok

shut rampart
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two m.2 bc first one is getting full only 300 mb left

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if I could sell my pc and redo I would have done white build

mossy venture
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Ye that makes more sense

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I'd say save the $600 for now, and then you can upgrade either cpu, mobo, and ram together when new cpus come out, or gpu when new gpus come out

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Right now it would just not be worth what's gained to spend it imo

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If you really wanted to, 7800x3d, mobo, and ram

shut rampart
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ok I will just save it

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new ram?

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huh?

mossy venture
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Unless you found used B die or Rev E and manually tuned it

shut rampart
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yeah but U said once new cpu is out upgrade mobo / ram / cpu

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theres an upgrade to ram? or we getting more ram

mossy venture
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It would be to ddr5

shut rampart
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I see what u did there slowly turning the pc white lol

mossy venture
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Yeah lol, might as well

shut rampart
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ok I guess I wait for q2 2024?

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for the new cpu?

mossy venture
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Whenever new cpus come out ye

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Playing at 1440p the 5700x could handle more than a 6700xt, but id say no more than a 3090 and similar

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Which isn't a huge jump from 6700xt

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I mean it's noticeable, just not as massive as 5700x to something like an 8800x3d

shut rampart
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u think cpu or gpu?

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im thinking cpu since its 3 upgrades

mossy venture
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There's two sides to it

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One is that currently, your gpu is the limiting factor. However a cpu bottleneck isn't fun a lot of the time, it can lead to frame drops

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So I'd say it's up to you. I was in a similar scenario, and I did cpu first

shut rampart
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im guessing streaming = more cpu side

mossy venture
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Actually not really

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That you'd likely see more of a benefit from with a gpu upgrade, since a newer gpu would have a better video encoder (7000 series/30 series AV1, I forget what 40 series has)

shut rampart
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we wait for the new cpu for price drop or we buying new cpu ?

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I will prob go with cpu

mossy venture
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I'd say new cpu

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If you go for current gen, id say 7600 with the mobo and ram I had in the list above

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And then go to 8000x3d

earnest olive
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40 series gets av1 encode

mossy venture
earnest olive
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if you've gotta leave one out for some reason i suppose it makes more sense to leave out encode than decode

timid hill
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wifi won’t work on pc, only gives option for ethernet even though this is a pro wifi mobo, tried bios update and it hasn’t loaded in idk what to do

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pls help

stoic island
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grab the drivers for the wifi chip off the manufacturer's website

timid hill
obsidian wigeon
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the antennas are required for wifi to work

timid hill
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i had them literally 2hrs ago and now i can’t find them

obsidian wigeon
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you can buy them at least

timid hill
#

ok

pseudo pollen
#

you can just use aluminium foil if you really can't find them

pseudo pollen
#

yeah, should work, not well, but it will

timid hill
#

i just ordered the antennas

pseudo pollen
#

probably a good idea

timid hill
#

i have had so many hiccups in this setup

#

i’m glad ok what to do now tho

pseudo pollen
#

makes sense, first build?

timid hill
#

yup

pseudo pollen
#

yeah, most first builds do be like that

timid hill
#

i go to boarding school too there’s limited time

pseudo pollen
#

ah

timid hill
#

but it’s cool because i basically know the ins and outs of my pc

#

all the troubleshooting i had to do

pseudo pollen
#

Yeah, building the first pc is honestly really good for you

#

especially troubleshooting it

#

I had to go through a month of troubleshooting on my first build because for the life of me I couldn't find out what was wrong.

#

Eventually narrowed it down to the cpu and mobo, which I promptly returned before the return window closed

timid hill
#

i spent 2 hours trying to figure out why windows wouldn’t boot, had to take the batter out my motherboard, let it reset, go into bios, and make usb priority for some reason

mossy venture
#

I hadn't built a pc till just under a year ago, it def gave me some useful insight I didn't have before that

pseudo pollen
#

built my first one about 2 years ago now

mossy venture
#

Ofc man, I just want to see you get it up and running

pseudo pollen
weary galleon
#

I have had zero issues with my builds 😎 just built different I guess

#

Well no immediate issues

mossy venture
#

I'll list them

weary galleon
#

Currently having stupid issues with windows and internet though

timid hill
#

oh wow literally the problems i had today lol

#

have*

#

still gotta fix the wifi

mossy venture
#

First I forgot to put the io plate on, so had to unscrew mobo to put it on, when flashing bios I didn't name the file correctly so I spent two days thinking I broke my pc, and then another two days wondering why it wouldn't turn on only for fal to tell me I plugged the power sw cable in incorrectly

weary galleon
#

Mines not a wifi issue though 😭 Ethernet has the same issue

pseudo pollen
weary galleon
#

And it works fine on Linux 😭😭

mossy venture
#

Then once I finally got the pc running, my cpu was running at 100c under load, which took sips and felix to realize my mobo was feeding it unlimited voltage until it thermal throttles

weary galleon
#

Hardware issues are so much easier to diagnose tho

#

Takes more time to replace a part but that's just downtime not active troubleshooting

pseudo pollen
#

when you can't tell what part is causing the problem it gets annoying

mossy venture
#

Then recently when I remounted my aio, I remounted it four times wondering why I was getting 90-100c idle in windows, thought I broke something or was doing an awful paste/tightening job

#

Turned out when I took the aio off, I accidentally unplugged it so it wasn't turning on

pseudo pollen
#

lol

mossy venture
#

Spent an hour and a half thinking I broke something bc I unplugged that by accident

#

I've also had plenty of others

#

But those are the ones that come to mind

pseudo pollen
#

then the next 4 builds that I did went flawlessly

#

really weird

mossy venture
#

When I did my partners build it went flawlessly

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I think

#

I dont remember any issues anyways

pseudo pollen
#

maybe not anything major

mossy venture
#

But it was only putting an ssd, gpu, and ram in and redoing some cables with the leftovers of my old build

pseudo pollen
#

What counts as building a new rig?

#

Like I upgraded my pc recently, but it was a complete teardown and rebuild

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And i replaced half the parts, so I'm not sure if that counts as a new build

plucky timber
#

A classic philosophical question

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If you replace every plank of wood on a ship, is it still the same ship?

cyan ravine
#

Rig of Theseus

cursive wharf
pseudo pollen
#

the memories are gone, the ssd has been replaced

mossy venture
#

I'd say when you take a build apart, and replace a few parts it's a new build

#

My "new build" still has the gpu, ssd, and ram from my old build

pseudo pollen
#

for me it's the mobo, cooler, ram, and psu

#

technically gpu as well, but that wasn't part of my original build and was a upgrade later down the line

#

need to replace the ram tho, keeps giving me bluescreens

plucky timber
#

Unstable oc?

mossy venture
#

Prolly a bad stick, if it's giving blue screens they'd know to undo the oc

timid hill
#

i’m getting the h6 flow soon i’m so exited

manic cloak
#

the nzxt cases are really cool but sometimes they under perform compared to others

#

anyways guess who's birthday is today 👉 👈 💀

obsidian wigeon
#

time for bday role

#

oh i can't assign that role as mod assist PepeRealizes

obsidian wigeon
#

yes

hollow crag
#

theres my build if you need that

#

ignore the psu

obsidian wigeon
#

don't think it gets any cheaper rn

#

psus are meh rn with prices

hollow crag
#

so lowest is 90$?

#

damn

crimson zinc
#

There’s very little difference in prices atm with all psus. Bunch got shoved out in the last 3 years that it’s pretty much whatever is a reputable and quality PSU. (Check pins for that)

plucky timber
#

we need a new build-chat bingo card

fossil cedar
#

@earnest olive we need 2024 bingo

obsidian wigeon
#

2024 bingo needs to have 7800x3d

earnest olive
plucky timber
flint sapphire
#

Bingo card? 👀

limber oyster
#

Would a corsair sf750w 80+ gold PSU work for a Ryzen 7 3700x, 32GB ram, 2x2TB gen 3 nvme, and a EVGA xc 2080ti?

fossil cedar
#

Yep

fossil cedar
limber oyster
#

I play Forza horizon 5, warframe, borderlands, emulators, ghost recon wildlands, phasmaphobia, starfield, and a few others. I like to run as high graphics as possible and still get 60fps at 1080p

fossil cedar
limber oyster
#

I have the base 1080 rn

dusky hearth
limber oyster
#

👍

#

What's the used market for 3080s?

timid hill
#

so my pc wasn’t connecting to wifi, so i went to my living room to plug it into ethernet, and now it won’t even show windows

#

it says no signal

dusky hearth
plucky timber
#

we should have a fresh pc build troubleshooting checklist

dusky hearth
dusky hearth
#

or maybe a flow chart

plucky timber
#

yeah

#

I've been seeing a lot of "pc doesn't turn on" lately

dusky hearth
#

💀

#

christmas season

plucky timber
#

💀

#

OH GOD THIS IS A RABBIT HOLE

timid hill
#

had to redownload windows

#

gonna update wifi drivers

dusky hearth
#

💀

timid hill
#

but when i move my setup all of a sudden its gonna disappear again?

dusky hearth
#

more of an ants nest

dusky hearth
timid hill
#

i want to update the driver but it won’t work

#

says i’m not up to date but won’t let me update?

dusky hearth
#

download the drivers from the mobo page

#

or if this is a prebuilt, then the page for that should probably have the drivers

timid hill
#

nah i built it

plucky timber
#

I don't like where this is going

timid hill
#

ok windows is updating

plucky timber
#

ok

#

this is too much

#

this is an actual rabbit hole

manic cloak
#

My 7800xt is still in return time frame..

plucky timber
#

ok at this point I've lost track of what I'm doing

#

oh crap i flipped the power cord and the wiring one

#

eh gonna go to sleep

#

if anyone comes across this image

#

DO NOT USE IT

#

my sleep deprived 12am brain made it

cyan ravine
#

tells people to never use it

#

posts it anyway

#

Ah it's too late in the night for me to interpret this

#

I'll read it later

plucky timber
cyan ravine
#

Check gpu power cable if cpu light

timid hill
#

anyone know where i can find msi drivers for wifi because i have to use ethernet and it sucks

#

i got it

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let’s goooo

#

no need for antennas

dusky hearth
#

oh

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you did

weak flint
#

wait i have to plug my psu into my cpu

#

wot

#

besides what if it doesnt even have debug leds

random atlas
# mossy venture Of course! Feel free to ping me if you've any questions, I've got a 5 hour shift...

Wanted to provide an update. New RAM from the ASUS "compatibility list" arrived today (Team T-Force Delta RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) Desktop Memory Model FF3D532G6000HC38ADC01). Installed and booted - no errors! I honestly can't believe that the RAM I bought previously (G.SKILL Ripjaws S5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) Desktop Memory Model F5-6000J3040F16GX2-RS5W and another one from Amazon) were not compatible with the ASUS TUF Gaming Z790-Plus WiFi motherboard. Will continue installing OS etc today and start testing tomorrow.

mossy venture
#

Theyre def compatible, I guess they were just somehow both faulty kits

#

Someone here actually had that mobo and kit together, though it mightve been the z690 version

#

Glad you got it working though, nice job figuring out what it was

random atlas
#

I have no way of testing the RAM but hard to believe 4 kits were bad

#

Thanks again for all your help

mossy venture
#

Idk, maybe asus somehow built in an intentional roadblock or smthn like that

#

But that's really weird

random atlas
#

weird is right - never seen anything like this

mossy venture
#

Anyways, pcs are up and running so that's what matters

earnest olive
manic cloak
random atlas
timid hill
#

can anyone help me find why windows won’t give me the option to turn bluetooth on

#

says a driver isn’t installed but my windows 10 is up to date

#

i’m desperate

#

should i update to windows 11?

teal dome
timid hill
#

can you walk me through that

#

how to update the bios

mossy venture
timid hill
#

already tried the reinstall action

#

ok i’m gonna send a pic

mossy venture
#

The wifi card on the mobo doesn't come with bluetooth

timid hill
#

yeah when i looked it up my motherboard said it had it

potent portal
#

What motherboard model? Many do come with Bluetooth, it's a separate driver from the WiFi

timid hill
#

Msi pro b550 vc wifi

potent portal
#

And windows update definitely doesn't have the driver

timid hill
#

maybe

potent portal
#

Extract the zip and run the installer that's inside

timid hill
#

wait it added stuff

potent portal
#

Seems like that did it

timid hill
#

tyy

little osprey
#
stoic island
#

It's relatively bad, micron hasn't been good with ddr5

mossy venture
#

It's pretty bad yeah

#

5600c46 micron

#

$93 gets you 6000c30

#

Gauranteed hynix

mossy lion
#

Evening everyone hopefully someone remember this issue I am having with a pc I build

#

Here the build

#

And the battery to Apevia ATX-PR600W Prestige 600W 80+ Gold Certified, RoHS Compliance, Active PFC ATX Gaming Power Supply https://a.co/d/8ikJvO3

#

It was recommended by this group to change ram and battery which I did

#

Issue before was during gameplay screen would freeze or pc restart

#

Parts came in today and now the screen will not turn on but the pc stays on does anyone have any ideas why?

jolly riverBOT
mossy venture
#

Then when you boot give it 5-10min to train the memory

mossy lion
#

Thank you've😁

vale birch
#

Hi everyone! New here and fairly 'green' in the PC dept. I've been diving into AI and image generation via Macbook Pro an hitting road blocks from VRAM.

My most recent purchase (MSI Gaming Desktop Codex R 13NUC5-087US Intel Core i5 13th Gen 13400F (2.50GHz) 16GB DDR5 1 TB PCIe SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Windows 11 Home 64-bit x 1) turns out not helping much with either the VRAM and esp the RAM specs.

Considering this for a replacement (HP OMEN 40L Gaming Desktop, AMD Ryzen 5 5600G, GeForce RTX 3060Ti, 64GB RAM, 2TB PCIe SSD+2TB HDD, RGB, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi 6, USB-C, RJ-45, HDMI, Win 11 Pro)

Wondering if anyone has insights on whether that would meet requirements to generate faster. Also, open to ideas for other workarounds that might allow me to work without switching between the Mac/PC.
Many thanks!!

mossy venture
#

And how much did the first one cost, and how much is the omen 40l

#

Ai is basically the only reason to go 40 series, but depending on the prices of them you could do a lot better

vale birch
#

I can return and they were 1,100 and 1,200 respectively

#

The MSI barely had enough RAM to empty the trash with a copy of stable diffusion

obsidian wigeon
#

i would try building a pc than getting prebuilts

obsidian wigeon
#

so that you can put emphasis on ram and gpu

mossy venture
#

I would 100% suggest building too, but those are some ok options

vale birch
#

I'm not fully confident in my abilities to do a cusstom build

mossy venture
mossy venture
obsidian wigeon
#

damn

#

the price on that sonic board

mossy venture
#

32gb ram which is basically the minimum for ai, 4060 ti and 13400f

#

YOOO

#

That's insane value

obsidian wigeon
#

damn

#

7900

mossy venture
#
obsidian wigeon
#

4060ti is weak for ai tho

mossy venture
#

Genuinely with how good of a deal that is, I would buy now ask questions later if you can

vale birch
#

I asked about augmenting the RAM on the current MSI but was told it wasn't possible?

is there a fair gap in performance between the Legion and Omen, you think?

mossy venture
#

Yes

#

Massive

#

4070 ti is far far better especially in ai

#

Ai also loves vram, which 4070 ti has 16gb

#

4060 and 4060 ti have half that

vale birch
#

I think I may be tied to NE for this one though..

mossy venture
#

That's unfortunate

vale birch
#

I appreciate this so much. Just finding out more about which of thes components become more influencial is excellent. thank you

vale birch
#

**unfortunate

mossy venture
languid nimbus
#

Yeah that’s actually insane

#

And lenovo is good

mossy venture
#

13700kf also worse multi core than 7900

#

Better single core

vale birch
#

I claimed that Legion blobcathighfive

crimson zinc
#

@mossy venture

languid nimbus
#

Hell yeah dude you will enjoy

south lark
little osprey
#

Cooler recommendations for i7-4790K?

#

I got like $25 I can blow on Amazon.

south lark
little osprey
mossy venture
#

I've no clue how hot the 4790k gets so I'm not sure

#

But considering how widely used the h212 was back then, the 214xt is just as good

#

Those are both on par with the noctua NH d15 and dark rock pro 4

#

Phantom spirit bit better than the peerless assassin

mossy lion
south lark
cyan ravine
#

What is happening kekw

#

I'd swear something isn't plugged in correctly

south lark
#

Everything seems to be plugged in good

#

I’m so annoyed

#

Well now at least ik it can power on again

#

But idk what to do rn because everything seems to be plugged in and the cables are a mess, I’ve just redone them all and no luck

#

I’ve got to be doing something wrong

#

I’m losing my mind

#

It just turned on when I didn’t have my cpu liquid coolers fans plugged in which is weird

cyan ravine
#

It's turning on tho? That's a start

mossy venture
south lark
#

However no signal on my motherboard

#

Monitor* aha

#

I’ve written mobo and psu so many times now everything auto corrects

little osprey
little osprey
potent portal
little osprey
#

So why the Hell do they exist?

potent portal
#

A high quality air cooler is about as good as a decent 240mm AIO

#

Compact cases mostly

#

Plus it lets Dell put "liquid cooled" on the box for their 13900k system

little osprey
#

Oh, those Alienware prebuilts.

#

😭

potent portal
#

Which, yes, they tried to cool a 13900k with a 120mm AIO. It ended about how you expect.

little osprey
#

Angry customers.

#

Whomp whomp.

potent portal
#

If you're buying an Alienware you're probably not going to notice the difference anyway

#

As long as the game runs, who cares if it's dropping frames from constantly hitting thermal limit?

manic cloak
#

Unless you have the h510 (I think that’s the case with the 120mm top) you do not need a 120mm aio where your exhaust goes

#

Cause like.. you’ll need sn exhaust for that hot air 😭

south lark
obsidian wigeon
#

something must be wrong

south lark
#

It was runnning, it booted just fine it even made the windows noise, I just couldn’t get it to display anything on my monitor, so I turned it off to check if everything was connected and now again it doesn’t want to turn on

cyan ravine
#

This is so weird

#

@south lark

#

When it turns on

#

Everything is fine yes?

#

Or is it acting strange

south lark
#

Seems to be but no display

#

It booted the fans all kicked in list normal

#

Windows noise

cyan ravine
#

No display happens on my am5 rig too

#

Until windows

#

Plugged display cable into the right place?

south lark
#

Yeh tried both display port and hdmi on 2 monitors

#

And all the ports on the pc

#

But even then like now it’s not turning on again

cyan ravine
#

Did you try that in windows or in bios

south lark
#

I’m having a great weekend

cyan ravine
#

In bios that won't necessarily work

south lark
#

It was in windows

cyan ravine
#

Interesting

south lark
#

After the windows noise

cyan ravine
#

I wonder

#

Do you use gpu extensions at all

#

What gpu is it and how is it plugged in

south lark
#

No

#

It’s a gigabyte 3060 ti and it’s plugged in with a 8 pin thing split into 6 and 2

cyan ravine
#

You swapped all the psu cables out when you swapped the psu right?

south lark
#

Yeh

cyan ravine
#

Got an igpu cpu?

south lark
#

I’m not too sure, it’s an amd 5800x3d

cyan ravine
#

Ah right

#

Yeah no igpu

#

Got a spare gpu to test?

#

Try reseating that one even

#

Is it on a riser?

south lark
#

I do have a spare gpu yeh and I might reseat this one too, but unfortunately the pc just isn’t turning on again

cyan ravine
#

I'd take the 3060 ti out

#

Try the other gpu rq

#

I'm wondering if the issue is intertwined

south lark
#

U reckon that will help it turn on?

cyan ravine
#

Yeah I have a feeling it's possible

south lark
#

U wonder why it’s turned on a few times though

#

I*

cyan ravine
#

Would suck if it's the gpu cos gigabyte US rma sucks

cyan ravine
#

Just time to try things

#

It's turning on now though, so potentially the PSU could've been buggered?

south lark
#

Yeh it’s turning on so I think something was wrong with the other psu

#

Because I tried everything the other day w the old one

cyan ravine
#

Interesting

#

Did you recently have a blackout or power surge you might know about

south lark
#

No black out, I can’t think what brought this about

mossy lion
flint sapphire
#

P_pepeShrug stuff

little osprey
#

anyone want my aircooler

#

i mean liquid cooler

#

im going to go jump off a bridge (kidding)

#

ultimate fail purchase and install

plucky timber
#

what happened lol

mossy venture
#

In this case 5600c32

plucky timber
#

where bingo card

rain carbon
#

I have a list put together taking inspiration from some articles and a lot from good ol LinusTechTips and have a bunch of parts put together that i plan on purchasing, im still relatively new to pc building but i have a general idea of each parts function and was curious if any of these might be incompatible or just a generally weaker option for my pretty strict price range? (Idk if im allowed to send store links here)

(Motherboard) ASUS Prime B660-PLUS D4 LGA 1700 ATX - 165$
(Ram) G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series DDR4 16GB (2X8GB) - 50$
(Case) Pop Air black/orange Fractal - 90$
(ISSD) Intel 670p Series M.2 2280 1TB PCIe NVMe 3.0 x4 QLC - 80$
(Power supply) Cooler Master V850 Gold-V2 White Edition - 120$
(GPU) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8GB GDDR6 Founders Edition - 420$ (used but includes +tax and +shipping)
Dual 6+2 pin connector - 9$
8 pin connector - 12$

TOTAL - 946$ (mostly before tax/shipping)

#

I refuse to go over 1k for anything here, which ofc excludes accessories not listed here for obvious reasons

cyan ravine
#

We can do a lot better for that

#

Also you need a cpu

rain carbon
#

Oh shoot did i not add a cpu

#

Lol crap

cyan ravine
#

Lol so budget 1k ye?

rain carbon
#

Yup

cyan ravine
#

Need wifi? Monitor? Keeb mouse?

#

Is this gaming pc?

rain carbon
#

It is a gaming pc, and monitor/wifi/mouse are accounted for and not included here

cyan ravine
#

If you have a budget for peripherals tell me cos I can recommend

#

If not then all good

rain carbon
#

Ill def take any recommendations

cyan ravine
#

I'll add wifi then

rain carbon
#

Im very new to pc building, i guess itd be obvious i need to add something for wifi

#

Then no i dont have anything to connect this pc to wifi

#

I havent bought any of the things here yet ill also note

cyan ravine
#

Ah ok

#

@rain carbon how close can I get to 1K before tax

rain carbon
#

As close as you need, dont worry about tax

cyan ravine
#

Ah

#

Hmm

rain carbon
#

I just want the base price to be as is, and a lot of the things i previously put together i was taking advantage of free shipping with amazon on our prime membership

cyan ravine
mossy venture
#

Most places have free shipping

cyan ravine
#

Interesting how this one played out

mossy venture
#

Also can do a used 3080 for that price

cyan ravine
#

It's actually pretty much level with other good value parts yet itx

#

I might be able to do 12600k one sec

rain carbon
#

Is the rx6800 better than the 3070?

mossy venture
#

The 6800 is a bit better, 6800xt is a lot better

rain carbon
#

Oh ok

mossy venture
#

But only leaves $350 to find one of those used so a bit tight

cyan ravine
#

Mmmm I'm about 30 over budget with 12600k but it's a little bit better

#

No wifi or itx tho

rain carbon
cyan ravine
cyan ravine
#

AMD has cheap itx boards

mossy venture
#

Ft120 at $32 pog

cyan ravine
#

Itx is the size factor

#

So like

#

Tiny

#

Tiny pc

mossy venture
#

Though also, p200a is really big for an itx case

cyan ravine
#

Yesn't

#

It's a lot smaller than atx

cyan ravine
cyan ravine
rain carbon
#

So in total im guessing for that build itd average around 1.1k-1.2k?

cyan ravine
#

You could consider used 6900xt with it

mossy venture
cyan ravine
mossy venture
cyan ravine
cyan ravine
mossy venture
#

Btw what are you using the pc for?

cyan ravine
#

Games

rain carbon
mossy venture
#

Ah alr

cyan ravine
#

I'd try and squeeze as much out of the gpu as you can

mossy venture
#

6800xt, 6900xt, 6950xt, 3080, 3080 12gb, 3080 ti, 3090 whatever you can find used for the best price

rain carbon
#

Would ebay or anything else be my best bet there?

cyan ravine
#

Reddit hardwareswap

mossy venture
#

r/hardwareswap, ebay, Facebook marketplace

#

Hws you'll likely find the best prices consistently, Facebook marketplace you find one off deals occasionally for really low prices

#

Like someone here got a $200 6700xt off fbm

#

Ebay I'd just go to as a last resort since prices tend to be higher

rain carbon
#

In good condition?

mossy venture
#

Ye

rain carbon
#

Sheesh

formal mica
#

Anyone got recommendations for cases that come with rgb fans any price

mossy venture
#

You just gotta know what to look for, and how to spot a scam. When doing deals online, ALWAYS get proof of the card working, and ALWAYS pay with PayPal goods and services

cyan ravine
rain carbon
mossy venture
#

PayPal g&s gives you buyer protection

cyan ravine
#

G300A 3 fan if on sale

mossy venture
#

And if you meet in person, either get proof of it working or test it in person.

cyan ravine
#

Actually if I may @rain carbon

rain carbon
mossy venture
#

And always meet in a public area, preferably a police station or smthn along those lines. If possible bring someone along with you as well

rain carbon
cyan ravine
#

What to get if not used

#

6800 is a step down a bit from a 6800xt but still good either way

mossy venture
#

It's what, 10% worse?

cyan ravine
#

Can't remember

rain carbon
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I could get that, and scan for a 6800xt on those sites you listed

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For a gpu

mossy venture
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It's something like 10-15

cyan ravine
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I'd aim for 6800xt if you can

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Ideal 1440p card

formal mica
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Anyone got fan recommendations

mossy venture
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I'd say make a post on r/hardwareswap, and list the gpus you're looking for, and see what offers come in

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Lemme make a title for you, since it's always really obnoxious

rain carbon
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Lol ty

cyan ravine
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Or Thermalright K12 if you want top tier with rgb

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(it's a noctua a12 with rgb)

mossy venture
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[USA-(states abbreviation, like CT, MI, TX, etc, so it'd loom like [USA-CT])][H] Cash, PayPal [W] Gpus listed below

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So [USA-CT][H] PayPal, cash [W] Gpus listed below

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And just swap ct for whatever state you're in

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Felix does that look right? It's been a long time since I've posted to hws

rain carbon
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Even if its not i doubt it wouldnt get my point across

cyan ravine
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ig

mossy venture
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And then in the post, just list the gpus you want, your zip code/town, and post

mossy venture
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It's really annoying

rain carbon
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Sounds it

mossy venture
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There's scams and bot scams, so only accept direct messages and not chats

rain carbon
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I appreciate the help from both of yall, ill def make use of it and ill keep an eye out for anything suspicious

mossy venture
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And if someone messages you, if they didn't comment "PM" on your post, tell them to

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Happy to

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Oh also there's a hws discord but it's really annoying

formal mica
mossy venture
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It's worse than the subreddit

rain carbon
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Eh ill just keep it simple and make a reddit account

mossy venture
mossy venture
cyan ravine
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Same kinda case for way less, comes filled with fans

rain carbon
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Rip

mossy venture
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You gotta have I think like 100 karma or an account a certain number of days old

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But you can still buy from other people's posts