building-and-recc-chat

[mossy venture]

yes, it negatively impacts performance

when more ram isn't needed it is counter productive to get more

[balmy lichen]

This is important... omg

Ok thank you. I like 7800x3d now

[mossy venture]

Then 32-48gb 6000mhz

Preferable cl32 or lower

[balmy lichen]

Since there will be no more new cpu with lga1700, mobo upgrade is inevitable either way, right?

[mossy venture]

Yes

Am5 you won't need to, potentially

[balmy lichen]

Can you please show how assassin cooling is best for cpu?

[mossy venture]

I dont have a comparison on hand, but it performs similarly to popular dual tower coolers like the d15, dark rock pro 4, and ak620/ag620

Thermalright is dominating the cooler space right now

They have best price/perf across the board

[balmy lichen]

I'm okay overpaying for best performance

[mossy venture]

Also a good dual tower, like the ones I named above and any dual tower thermalrifht aside from the silver soul line is comparable to a 240mm aio

The phantom spirit is the best performance

Otherwise you go aio

[balmy lichen]

I'll try air first. Can always upgrade to water later

So max ddr5 speed for 7800 is 6000?

[mossy venture]

Yeah, am5 doesn't like over 6000mhz without a lil bit of playing around in bios

Even with that, it'd be time consuming and energy consuming to get 6400+ reliably

[balmy lichen]

Is there a mobo for it where I can fit both 4090 and gen5 m.2? Sorry for repeating this question

[mossy venture]

Better off sticking at 6000mhz and tigthening a few timings

Gen 5 still doesn't help at all for gaming, but yeah

[balmy lichen]

Ok, but doesn't it help install games faster?

[mossy venture]

Not unless you have the fastest internet possible

Even then I highly doubt it

[balmy lichen]

Also, noob question: do I need a secondary storage for windows os? Or is it created virtually on the primary m.2?

[mossy venture]

I dont even see much of a difference between my nvme and my sata ssd or my hard drive download speeds

Due to internet speeds

[balmy lichen]

Okay 👍🏻

[mossy venture]

No, just leave atleast 200gigs or so free on the C drive (main drive)

[balmy lichen]

My internet is slow

[mossy venture]

If you get close to filling it up, get a secondary 2tb or 4tb

[balmy lichen]

Where is c drive located?

[mossy venture]

That's just the main drive

The boot drive, with windows on it

[balmy lichen]

Right but what piece of hardware is it on and are they on the same m.2 as d drive?

[mossy venture]

?

I dont know what you're asking

[balmy lichen]

Sorry for confusion

If I'm going to only get 1 m.2 storage, how are c and d drives created?

[mossy venture]

The system just knows

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[mossy venture]

Well also you set boot priority in bios

[obsidian wigeon]

if you already have c drive, you can only use other assignments

[mossy venture]

Whichever has windows on it you set as the first drive in boot priority

[obsidian wigeon]

from a to z

[mossy venture]

But if you just add a drive down the line it'll set to D drive since the system already knows what drive is C drive

[balmy lichen]

Ok, so they are created when I install windows os and q storage is enough, ok

1, not q

[potent portal]

Linux VERY much prefers AMD. The drivers are simply better and more frequently updated.

[mossy venture]

thought so but I don't know anything about linux and didn't want to say for sure that was the case without knowing for certain

[potent portal]

That's why I pointed it out, now you do know for certain.

[mossy venture]

fair point lol

ty

[balmy lichen]

Tyty TrueBecca, have a good night

Insane support

[viral horizon]

do gpus get good prices on cyber monday

[potent portal]

Sometimes

It's looking more like they're raising the prices so they can pretend they're lowering this year

[viral horizon]

probably

idk i was wondering tho cuz i have 130-40 dollars and i was hoping i could get a radeon 6700xt for cyber monday

[potent portal]

That would be more than half off, not going to happen

You could look at used

[viral horizon]

yeah

but i did some work and could get that up to 180-200

would i find any luck there or..?

[potent portal]

The cheapest 6700 XT is currently $310

I don't see it going down to $200

[viral horizon]

well, its the best budget gpu i see and im not going 40 dollars down for a 3060, so

guess ill wait for christmas or look at used gpus

thank you tho

[potent portal]

You can get a 6600 under $200 right now so maybe there will be a deal on 6600 XT/6650 XT that gets into your price range

[viral horizon]

maybe

look i gtg

i have to do something in the morning

see ya

bye

[potent portal]

Cya

[gentle pollen]

Is Black Friday or Cyber Monday usually better for buying PC parts? I am a Prime member if it makes a difference.

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

[stoic island]

Historically, it's the same deals

[gentle pollen]

Ahh ok.

[balmy lichen]

Hi, how is it possible to have 2560@240hz on the monitor if all the display ports I can find on mobo and video cards are dp1.4a?

Also is this a good chassis? DeepCool CH560 Digital WH https://a.co/d/5wJRFVP

[mossy venture]

What gpu is it

[balmy lichen]

4090

[mossy venture]

And that case is OK, not great priced

Yes it can run 1440p 240hz

You want a white build or just a white case?

[balmy lichen]

Thank you, it wasnt obvious for me

White build preferably. But performance is priority

[mossy venture]

One sec

[balmy lichen]

And I like the display with temperatures

Hyte y70 is hard to find in Canada and is insanely expensive for a case. Also it seems like straight design is better at cooling, is that right?

[mossy venture]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/R8cYWt

[mossy venture]

You can add an lcd display for pretty cheap yourself

@earnest olive did it

Y70 is cool, idt it's better performance wise than a lot of cheaper options but I'm not sure

What do you think of this https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/gY26Mp/phanteks-nv5-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-nv523tg_dmw01

[balmy lichen]

Love the looks

[balmy lichen]

Can you please make it with best amd mobo and 7800?

[mossy venture]

Yep few min

[balmy lichen]

You are crazy fast, men. Local electronics store didn't offer me any suggestions in a whole week. It's like they don't want to hustle picking parts to make a good sale.

Vertical or horizontal gpu mounting better? I've seen a case with side fan space in front of gpu

[mossy venture]

Sorry had to run for a min lol, I'll send the list in a moment

Right as you mention being fast, just funny timing

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZTkdFs

Both packs of fans aren't needed, one would be fine

@balmy lichen

And if you want white gpu too https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/j8tgPF

Also there's plenty of other case options, fractal design pop xl air, lian li mesh c, 4000d airflow, g360a, Lancool iii, g500a

Also p400a white but I'm not a fan of the looks of that one, but if you like it it's very nicely priced

Also if you want more than 2tb, you could do this as a secondary. Or as your only drive, doesn't really matter
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/FZWzK8/teamgroup-mp34-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4004t0c101

[balmy lichen]

I'll check out cases. I want gen 4 memory if gen5 isn't possible. Also, I decided to gamble and do water cooling. I know, crazy😂 which one is best performance and reliability?

Thank you for lists!! I just noticed there is a whole scheme below the list with how everything is going to be plugged in

[earnest olive]

water cooling is a complete waste on the 7800x3d in regards to performance

[balmy lichen]

Hmm

[earnest olive]

if you want it for looks sure

[balmy lichen]

Tell me more please

[earnest olive]

but it's not worth it if the goal is just performance

a $30 air cooler will keep it way below thermal limit

[balmy lichen]

But what if I want to try high resolution graphics?

[earnest olive]

it does not matter

[mossy venture]

^

[balmy lichen]

Interesting

[mossy venture]

Am5 is limited by the ihs thickness

Basically it can't transfer heat beyond a certain point

[earnest olive]

you can even run artificial cpu loads that stress it 3 times as hard as any game possibly can and the $30 air cooler will still be chilling keeping the 7800x3d in the 70s

7800x3d is an incredibly easy chip to cool

barely consumes any power

maximum load is like 88w

[balmy lichen]

Yes, I'm happy with that!

[mossy venture]

If you do want an aio for looks, there's some fairly cheap options

[earnest olive]

i sold a 7800x3d build to a professional gamer with a $30 air cooler on it and it's been good enough for him

[balmy lichen]

Nope, I'm not risking leakage for looks. It will give me anxiety and I'm going to be the only one who sees this pc anyway

[mossy venture]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Q9kdFs

[earnest olive]

air coolers can look good too

[balmy lichen]

Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised. Than it's going to work for me too

[mossy venture]

Yeah, though aios leaking is pretty rare as long as you don't cheap out

[earnest olive]

combination of major advancements in air coolers and the 7800x3d being easy to cool

[balmy lichen]

Only 4 fans?

[earnest olive]

you can stick a $30 air cooler on an i9 and do a little power limited/undervolting and get 100% of the gaming performance

4 fans is more than enough

could even remove the back fan and bottom front fan and be perfectly fine

[balmy lichen]

Wow

[mossy venture]

Oh sips do you remember the name of what 10 series and 5000 series and earlier lacks that newer games are starting to use?

Fal was the one who told me about it but I forgot the name

[earnest olive]

mesh shaders

[mossy venture]

Ah yeah

[earnest olive]

part of the DX12U spec

which both of those lack

[mossy venture]

Ty

[earnest olive]

turing and rdna2 were the first cards to support DX12U

from each side

side note, that doesn't extend to gtx 16xx

i was wrong

[mossy venture]

Ah alright

[balmy lichen]

I'm honestly tired of learning about all of this. It's been only 1 week of nonstop learning about computers. At this point I just want to purchase something that will work and relax

[earnest olive]

gtx 16xx does have mesh shaders

but not full DX12U support

you can run alan wake on a 1650

[mossy venture]

I mean, is there anything the list lacks for you?

And sips do you have a link or what to look for for the display you put in your pc?

[earnest olive]

looks like a good list to me

seems to not be sold anymore

it's just a 7 inch raspberry pi hdmi screen

can probably find many of them on amazon/aliexpress

mounted to the case using sticky magnets

[mossy venture]

Also is it just me or is 35 cad for 3 st120s really cheap

[mossy venture]

@balmy lichen

[earnest olive]

just need to make sure your case has a way to route the hdmi and power cable from the inside of the case to the outside of the case (which is not possible on all cases)

[mossy venture]

Ah not sold anymore, what about a small tablet? I've seen someone do that before, but I dont know how that works

[earnest olive]

some people use small tablets or old phones yeah

[balmy lichen]

Is this nvme 4th gen? Please remove 1 pack of fans and a monitor. I might consider it later

[earnest olive]

https://www.amazon.com/HMTECH-Raspberry-Pi-Monitor-Non-Touch/dp/B09MFNLRQQ/ there's plenty still available

just not the one i specifically have

this honestly looks like the same thing

probably coming out of the same factory in china

[mossy venture]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/RztgPF

[earnest olive]

chose this one cause it has small bezels so maximum case compatibility

i have another 7 inch monitor but it's much larger cause it's got like a plastic case

[mossy venture]

Took them out right above, but just to make sure I still wouldn't get that kuroii monitor or whatever it is if that's your plan

[mossy venture]

Tyty, I'm saving this so I dont have to bother you in the future with the same question lol

[earnest olive]

these chinese amazon brands come and go all the time

just remember it's a 7 inch monitor

also, i am not responsible if the monitor does not fit in the case/has no easy routing path

[mossy venture]

Yes 100%, I dont really know if it works with the nv5 either. You'd have to find out about that yourself cyber

[earnest olive]

theoretically every case should be able to route the cables out through an open pcie slot in the back, but that's gonna be kinda ugly

[balmy lichen]

It's from another local store so I will be able to return it after learning the hard way. Let's verify if that monitor is trash

[earnest olive]

i made use of the fact that the O11 has a removable hard drive cage in the back

[mossy venture]

The companies panels as a whole are just bad

[earnest olive]

just removed it and routed the cables out through the gaping hole in the back of my case

[mossy venture]

Prone to long term issues like stuck pixels and such, as well as bad image quality, smearing, etc

But it's your money not mine

I just don't get spending that much on a pc and saving the $50 or whatever it is on the monitor

[balmy lichen]

Don't worry, can I keep it outside? Might not look most aesthetic... whatever, not going to get it just yet

[earnest olive]

i mean i guess you could but where do you plan to mount it

[balmy lichen]

Idk, I was thinking of something small for temps

[balmy lichen]

Ok, you're right. If there is a verified great screen, why bother

Can I get 1 more lian li fan?

[earnest olive]

if you just want to see temps you could just use an overlay like rivatuner

i just use my internal screen purely for decorations i don't bother putting temps or any sort of stats on it

well a clock is nice but that's it

i mean you saw what i'm doing with it

[balmy lichen]

Ok that works

[earnest olive]

you don't need any additional hardware for rivatuner you can set that up in software

[balmy lichen]

Nevermind, just noticed case fits 5 fans. I'll take 2 3 packs

I've heard amd mobo got updated and allows 6400 ddr5, should I consider anything capable of being faster than 6k? Just to future proof, or nah

Thank you sips for all the knowledge regarding the tab, looks beautiful 😍

[balmy lichen]

For the looks:)

[mossy venture]

Future proofing isn't really a thing, even if it did support it it would make a very negligible difference. With the kit of ram in there, if you went to bios and spent 5 mins changing some timings, you'd see much more of a difference. If you spent a few hours tuning, and getting the best oc you can stable, you'd notice a huge difference compared to just xmp

5600c32 vs 6400c28 even doesn't make a huge difference, xmp is xmp

[balmy lichen]

Omg I don't want to spend any time anymore. Ok😂 is financing with Newegg possible?

[mossy venture]

Tuning is where you find a noticeable difference

I dont have a clue, but I wouldn't recommend buying everything from one place. If you have to, that list likely is going to need some changes

[balmy lichen]

Okay, ill see if I can get most parts financed from one store. And will buy the rest separately if I have to

[mossy venture]

What store would be easiest for you

Or site

[balmy lichen]

Visions

[mossy venture]

Ok, give me a bit

Wait what's visions?

It isn't on pcpartpicker

[balmy lichen]

They called me 30m ago with an initial intel build request. They open in 15m so I'll ask about your part list availability

Hmm. Canadian Visions electronics store

[mossy venture]

Ah local pc store?

[balmy lichen]

Yeah... more like TV store

[mossy venture]

Ahh

Do you have a link to them?

I can look through what they have, if they only build off of the parts they stock

[balmy lichen]

Yeah, 1sec

They say they can order parts that are not on the site

https://www.visions.ca/

You are way too nice Bacca

[mossy venture]

Ah ok that's good, do they upcharge?

[balmy lichen]

Idk...

Maybe?

I hope for gooood black Friday/cyber Monday discounts

Can I give you their price to consult?

[mossy venture]

Yep, always fine with pinging or dming me. Unless it's a weird dm, then I am not responding

[balmy lichen]

Holy technician, you are amazing 👏 😍 🤝

[fossil cedar]

Mandatory warning, ram tuning is v annoying/time consuming to do to the max and can cause corrupted windows installs so if tuning reinstall after you've finished testing or do it on a different drive

[balmy lichen]

Thank you

[mossy venture]

I have gotten some very weird random dms from this server

[balmy lichen]

Well, I promise not to be weird 😂

[potent portal]

The weird ones I've seen are usually scammers

Luckily discord is a lot better about blocking those now

[earnest olive]

would like to add that it's honestly not really worth doing ram tuning on the 7800x3d unless you are really into ram tuning as a hobby

x3d chips see much less benefit from ram tuning than normal chips do since the entire point of the larger cache is that you are making less memory accesses

[little osprey]

I have not tuned my Hynix DDR5 on 13600K

[earnest olive]

you still see a benefit from tuning ram, but it is not really worth it

@balmy lichen

i would just recommend grabbing any hynix kit rated for 6000 mt/s, turning on xmp/expo, and forgetting about it

[balmy lichen]

Ok, maybe when I'm bored. But at first I'm sure I'll be happy kid

[mossy venture]

The kit in the list is gauranteed hynix as is

[earnest olive]

yup

just as a general note

[balmy lichen]

Thank you

[rustic linden]

What do I do if my motherboard only has a 12v 4 pin rgb connector but my fan hub has a 5v 3 pin?

[earnest olive]

does the fan hub work as a controller?

you don't necessarily have to hook up most hubs to the motherboard

[mossy plaza]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kDYgPF what would be a good motherboard for this build?

[mossy venture]

Do you own any of this?

Well actually

Do you own any parts for the build, of are you building a new pc

[mossy plaza]

My friend does I'm just tryna figure out what motherboard would work best for him

[mossy venture]

Ahh did he just buy it?

And does he have an ssd?

[mossy plaza]

nah his brother did and just ended up giving him the parts lol

[mossy plaza]

nah

[mossy venture]

Ah alright

Definitely get an ssd for starters, hard drive for boot drive is very painful

[mossy plaza]

yea

[mossy venture]

Like I'd rather an 8th gen i3 with an ssd boot to a 10700k with an hdd boot

Does he need wifi on the mobo?

Or is he using ethernet/already has a wifi card

[mossy plaza]

yea hes using ethernet

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BbW389

If you want cooler/case recommendations https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jnZZ28

Though you could likely get a much cheaper mobo used, since lga 1200

No Ionger in production, so more expensive new

[mossy plaza]

gotcha gotcha ty

[unreal vine]

I looked on these forums and everywhere else for the best deals and build combinations but at the end, I decided to stay with my 2020 build since I already bought the motherboard at that time https://pcbuilder.net/rigs/u3uHOW/

The rest of the parts came later after the prices had dropped

[mossy venture]

Yeah honestly the only upgrade path with that is new cpu, mobo, and ram or new gpu

If it does what you need it to, I would wait for new parts.

If it doesn't, im assuming you're doing workstation use with that parts list, 14700k/kf would be good

Otherwise 13900k/kf

[balmy lichen]

https://youtube.com/shorts/0e1Alzknpyk?si=i0TQALCQf9TDNsX3
Have you seen holographic cases?

Is this even real?

[potent portal]

Sure. The glass is just a translucent screen.

[balmy lichen]

Beautiful

Oh $400

Are there any other manufacturers with transparent screens besides iBuypower?

[unreal vine]

I'm totally fine with z590mobo, 11900kcpu and 3090gpu

All the parts matured over the years and prices our low

I have no need for the newer parts since I play mainly independent games

[potent portal]

That setup is fine for at least a few more years I'd say. Probably more if you're playing indie games.

[unreal vine]

Thats what I'm saying

[potent portal]

That's the first translucent one but there's several cases with normal screens

The snowblind series in general I mean, is the first

[balmy lichen]

What are other cases? Except y70, I can't find it in 🇨🇦

[potent portal]

Asrock has a kit to DIY it https://www.asrock.com/mb/spec/product.asp?Model=13.3” Side Panel Kit

Jonsbo D31 has a screen on the front, and D41

[balmy lichen]

How much is it, can't find the price

[potent portal]

I can't find it either

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/ELECROW-Raspberry-Touchscreen-Monitor-HDMI-Compatible/dp/B07FDYXPT7/ref=asc_df_B07FDYXPT7/?

Would something like this be difficult to set up inside my PC case?

[mossy venture]

Sips explained why earlier, but depends on the case

[mossy venture]

Up here

[strong raft]

[obsidian wigeon]

2.5" sata ssds be like

[cursive wharf]

8tb 870 evo

[obsidian wigeon]

not even filling the entire space with all that extra pcb

[brittle tinsel]

buddy is looking at getting a 2080 ti $1,100 Australian Dollars.
Is there a 30 series for around the same price that is better? I have been sick for awhile and havnt kept up but I believe the 40 series is out isnt it?

[mossy venture]

Yes yes yes yes yes

1100 for a 2080 ti is absolutely awful

[potent portal]

If he really wants nvidia you can get a 4070 for 900 aud that crushes the 2080 ti

[mossy venture]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/PW3NnQ/pny-verto-geforce-rtx-4070-12-gb-video-card-vcg407012dfxpb1
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/fcBzK8/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-11330-02-20g
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/7ZmmP6/pny-uprising-geforce-rtx-3070-lhr-8-gb-video-card-vcg30708ldfmpb

[potent portal]

Yeah what bacca said lol

[mossy venture]

1100 aud for a 2080 ti hurt me physically

[potent portal]

Not to mention that's probably even used because who has a new in box 5 year old gpu

[brittle tinsel]

it is refurbished aswell xD

[mossy venture]

Lol good timing

[balmy lichen]

I might just order all parts and assemble it myself. What's the best thermopaste?

[obsidian wigeon]

the one included with your cooler

[balmy lichen]

Oh... so it's included?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[balmy lichen]

Ok ty

[woeful charm]

Are i9 excessive for gaming? planning on building a new computer and have $600 extra for the build, currently play 3440x1440 and raytracing really doesn't matter to me. Currently what I had plans on getting https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wb9cMV

[obsidian wigeon]

it is pretty excessive

and doesn't offer anything extra

i can do a much better list for that money, gimme a min

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jXcH4M

boop

best gaming cpu that exists rn

[woeful charm]

Actually cheaper than mine xd

[obsidian wigeon]

mhm

[woeful charm]

Me I was just using the same case and storage but I've heard about the x3d and the L3 cache is it really that significant?

[obsidian wigeon]

it is

oh if no case and storage

then it gets hella cheap

make sure current case fits your gpu tho

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VPrvZJ

[woeful charm]

Yeah have a o11 dynamic

[obsidian wigeon]

case gone

nice

i can probably manage a 4090 if you want lol

nvm

they're 2k lately

[woeful charm]

Was about to say aren't they 2k rn

I honestly don't know what else I can change about that build

[obsidian wigeon]

scary price

[woeful charm]

Beside getting the x3d

[obsidian wigeon]

get x3d and the board

ram too, corsair is crappy

just follow my list really, it's gud

[woeful charm]

Could squeeze a 4090 if I wait a month or so xd https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jvMVBL

[obsidian wigeon]

honestly not worth the spending

it's basically 100% more money for like 20% extra perf

[round cloud]

Hola guys, I can’t seem to figure out how to adjust the fan curve for my AIO… there should be something in bios, right?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes, cpu fan usually

[analog hearth]

You could go that route, but a lot of people go the route of installing Fan Control
https://getfancontrol.com/

[obsidian wigeon]

that works too

and easy af

[analog hearth]

takes a bit of learning if you have absolutely no idea what you're doing. but overall easy to use

[round cloud]

Hmm maybe I just missed the option in my bios

I have fan control downloaded but not sure how to use it. Perhaps a YouTube vid would help

[analog hearth]

Yes. I highly recommend Fan Control

[round cloud]

I just think my fans are going a bit too HAM, never getting above 70° on my 7800x3d but they seem rather loud.

This new rig runs great but is louder than my previous, inferior rig by a decent amount

[analog hearth]

For me, I just set each fan setting to its maximum and minimum to figure which is which

[round cloud]

You mean figuring out which is fan 1, fan 2, etc?

[analog hearth]

yep

[round cloud]

I figured they’d just stay on the same curve/profile anyway?

Or are you implying it’s worth trying to pinpoint a problematic fan

[analog hearth]

Some of the profiles in Fan Control won't work (idk why this is though). I'd try this though to be sure its now your just Fan Control bugging:

1. make sure your fans are connected to your motherboard, not the power supply
2. make sure there's no fan override in the BIOS

[potent portal]

You can set it so they're on the same curve if you want. Hang on, let me grab my settings so you can see what it can look like when you're done.

[analog hearth]

My GPU also doesn't listen to Fan Control though. It's probably just a software confliction because I have an AMD GPU (they have their own fan settings in their Radeon drivers)

[potent portal]

You can figure out which fan is which when it's running the auto detect test. It spins the fan up to max and minimum speeds when it's checking so you know which is which by looking at which one is changing

I find the auto curves to be more than adequate for my needs, nice and quiet once you have the idle temp and load temp set

[round cloud]

Ok, I will poke around shortly 🫡

[round cloud]

Ok, so, the program is only detecting one fan, “CPU Fan”. I think that’s because the two AIO fans are daisy chained.

[potent portal]

Typically yes

[round cloud]

👍🏻

[amber spear]

Question. So I have an asrock b650m pro race WiFi mother board with Radeon 7900 xtx video card and amd ryzen 7000 series processor. It came with oloy 32 ( 2x16) x2 ddr5 ram pc5-48000 6000mhz I wanted to put oloy 64 ( 2x 32) 6400mhz pc5 -51200 in as they were on sale. Is there any benefit to this ?

Pro rs not pro race

[mossy venture]

Are you gaming?

[amber spear]

Yes

[mossy venture]

If so, more than 32gb is pointless

It actually hurts performance at times

[amber spear]

Ah ok. So. Just stick with what I have yes ?

Why do many say that the more ram the better ?

[drowsy trail]

Good morning, I am wondering if it's better to build my own server or purchase one. I am using to host VMs.

[mossy venture]

Because they don't know about ram usage

[mossy venture]

Building your own would likely be better, what are you looking to spend?

[amber spear]

Thank you ! Appreciate the advice !

[mossy venture]

Do you need a good cpu, a lot of ram, good gpu, or a combination of thereof

Np!

[amber spear]

What I am looking for is the best performance out of the build I have

[drowsy trail]

It be great if I can stay under $1K

[mossy venture]

Alright, and do you just need good cpu performance and a lot of ram?

Or do you need gpu power too

Also do you need a lot of storage?

If you dont need a gpu
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8L3wqR

[drowsy trail]

Yes at least 2 CPU with lots of cores ECC Ram, and Storage.

That looks pretty good

[mossy venture]

I dont think I'd go for a dual cpu system or a system with ecc ram at that budget

And one sec let me add storage, do you want only ssd storage or are hdds fine

@drowsy trail

Also how much storage do you need

[drowsy trail]

SSD

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8RDjWt

[potent portal]

Any dual CPU system worth getting that would be better than the single CPU ones bacca made would easily be in the $5000+ range

[potent portal]

People don't usually think of it this way, but more storage space means it takes longer to find what you need. If you have a small warehouse that's mostly full, it's still faster to find things than it is to find things in a large warehouse that's mostly empty with things scattered around.
That's a rough metaphor at least.

You should only upgrade your RAM capacity if you're seeing more than 90% usage

[drowsy trail]

The only thing I don't like about Intel is the sockets always changes with new generation of chip. AMD on the other hand not so much..

[potent portal]

We're hoping for another 3 gens on AM5 but if they're spread out more it might end up being 2

[drowsy trail]

True

[potent portal]

Including the gen launching in a few months

[winter marsh]

Howdy ho

I am working a new build inside a Hyte Y60 with LED vs a Y70 because it's $100 cheaper

I want a Asus Tuf GAMING mobo that supports ddr5 but that's where I get stuck

I love my Ryzen 5800X3D so wanted a 7800X3D, but there are issues with the ddr5 OC profile stability

[potent portal]

Rare issues

[winter marsh]

I could go base clock or just go with the intel 13900k

[potent portal]

5600 is perfectly fine on ryzen, 6000 is usually the safe max, 6400 is pushing your luck

[winter marsh]

Rofl I tend to play it safe anyway

[balmy lichen]

Does anybody have wooting h60 keyboard?

[austere basalt]

Hey guys, I'm having blue screen issues. Anyone willing to help out a bit?

[potent portal]

What's the error code?

[austere basalt]

The first was driver_iqrl_not less or equal

The second, memory_management

[potent portal]

Is your memory overclocked, or anything else?

[austere basalt]

Let me be clear. Finally got my PC build to work after getting a new MoBo. Had a bad windows install at first but never deleted the original files, so reinstalled windows but it was bugged a bit. Constant bsod. So we wiped my PC, reinstalled windows and I'm still getting constant blue screens

With different error codes, although I'm just now keeping track. The two I mentioned have happened before.

I just did a memory diagnostic test with no issues, and I've also done the file checker through command prompt. I believe the ram sticks are overclocked, yes

[potent portal]

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[potent portal]

That'll clean up residual files from the GPU drivers, that's a common issue

If that doesn't work I'll analyze the crash dumps in a little bit

[austere basalt]

Oh yes, and ofc my drivers are all up to date. Let me try that

Alright I have it downloaded and I'm in safe mode, but can't open it

It's already "extracted" as well

[lone flame]

ah i remember my ddu issues

that was not fun

but thankfully my drivers have been fine since

[austere basalt]

Also should I check the boxes on the two advantages options or no?

[lone flame]

dont oc your ram then see if thats a fix

unless you need them to be oced

[austere basalt]

I might try that ye

[austere basalt]

@lone flame

[lone flame]

ask falcie

they'd know not me lol

[potent portal]

hang on kid threw up

[lone flame]

damn

[austere basalt]

oh no!

[potent portal]

Ok so what you want to check is all the boxes related to your video card brand

[austere basalt]

So leave everything unchecked except for general options and Nvidia specific?

[potent portal]

Everything else leave on default

Check all nvidia boxes

Then clean and restart

[austere basalt]

Oh shoot do you happen to have the default options

Cause I initially selected everything, so I don't know what the default general options are

[potent portal]

Doesn't really matter I think

As long as the recommended ones at least are checked the others can be too or not

[austere basalt]

Gotcha, trying it now

Welp.

While running that, I got another blue screen: memory_management

[potent portal]

Yeah that'll be your memory for sure then

I don't think you ever said when I asked if it was overclocked

Ah no you did, at the end

Undo any overclock, that's the first thing you should do when troubleshooting blue screens tbh

Windows memory diagnostic is a joke

[austere basalt]

Just kidding, it isn't overclocked. When we clean installed Windows it reset

[potent portal]

No xmp or anything?

That would be set in the bios

[austere basalt]

Let me check that

I've actually never been into bios before, my friend overclocked it for me initially, but the memory frequency is at its default I believe. Anything else I should look for here?

DDR5 xmp booster is disabled

Perhaps I should just load defaults to be safe?

@potent portal

[potent portal]

Load defaults sure but I'm thinking it's your memory or your storage failing

And now that I see it's Corsair memory I'd say that's pretty likely

See if it does better with one stick

And if not try the other stick

[austere basalt]

See if what does better?

And which slot should I try

Is there any test I can run to check the sticks before I open em up?

[potent portal]

See if it blue screens with one stick

[potent portal]

Pick one, if it fails, do the other

[austere basalt]

Gotcha, just try it with games or the udd?

[austere basalt]

I saw something about memtest86, was wondering if that was worth

[potent portal]

OCCT memory test can help find obvious problems

[potent portal]

It's alright but there's better now. OCCT is fine for quick tests, TM5 and ycruncher vst are good deeper tests

[austere basalt]

Alright what should I try in occt

Assuming something in memory? There's an adjustable percentage, instruction set, and threads

[potent portal]

Yes the memory tab. Try 85%, the rest on default

If the test itself crashes reduce the %

A single error means it fails

[austere basalt]

Alright I'm giving it a go, it's set for an hour, does it need that long?

[potent portal]

Yes

[austere basalt]

Gotcha

[potent portal]

An hour is considered quick when doing memory testing

[austere basalt]

Oh shoot, yeah so like, i was testing on a game and I believe the error occured like an hour in? And then when I tried it again it was like, 10 minutes tops

Then again when using that app you sent

[potent portal]

A total confidence test would be running vst for 72 hours

[austere basalt]

Gawd damn

How does raam even work, why's it take that long?

[potent portal]

It would take almost that long to explain how it works lol

[austere basalt]

Oh boy, no worries then haha

I'm an engineering student, just was curious. I had zero computer experience until now and with all the troubleshooting I've had to do I just want to learn something from it ya know

[potent portal]

Basically it could be any specific instruction, or series of instructions, or combinations of sets of instructions over a long period, that finally gets an error

[austere basalt]

Wow, ain't that convenient

So let's say I run this thing and it comes clean, but I get the bsod when playing a couple of games... then what?

[potent portal]

Could be storage, or the test never got to the instructions the memory doesn't like

You test for the former by taking out the current boot drive and using another to install Windows on

[austere basalt]

Also, everything look okay?

[potent portal]

The latter you test with deeper memory tests, vst for 6 hours maybe

[austere basalt]

Gotcha

[potent portal]

Here's that vst test btw

#overclocking message

I'm heading to bed

[austere basalt]

Cool man, thanks a lot. I'll keep you updated

Sleep well

[thorny flint]

What is better for 1080 p gaming gtx 1080 or Rtx 2060?

[obsidian wigeon]

2060

but what's the price on these gpus

@thorny flint

coz for like around $160, there's 6600xt refurbs

[winged crystal]

Should be around the same price. I got my 2060 awhile back for $170

For a little more you can get a 3060 for $200-$250 on the used market. And a 6700xt/6750xt for like $250-$300 on used market.

Not all of them of course.... but if you look around enough and get lucky with some ebay bids

[obsidian wigeon]

2060 for 160 is bleh

since 6600xt exists and slaps it

it's even ahead of 3060 tbh, the 6600xt

more vram at that

[little osprey]

Whats a decent but cheap case I can get to re-sell my PC?

I probably wont get much for it, it'd just be an athlon 3000g system with no gpu 😭 but

Or, I guess the whole question is, what do you guys think would be the best thing to do in the scenario that:

[mossy venture]

There's a case with a power supply I posted in tech deals on tiktok shop for $50

With a coupon it'd be cheaper

Or this is fine https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6RrcCJ/rosewill-fbm-x1-microatx-mini-tower-case-fbm-x1

Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6pBzK8/phanteks-eclipse-g300a-1-fan-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ga_dbk01

[little osprey]

I've got a PC and a Laptop. I want to switch to just having the Laptop with an EGPU Enclosure, The PC has...seen better days, needs a new case and probably a few other things to be appealing to sell, the specs are as follows:
RX 570 Sapphire Pulse 4GB
Athlon 3000G (Has been OC'd)
16GB 2400Mhz DDR4
512GB NVMe SSD
EVGA SuperNOVA 650W

Things I want to keep: RX 570 Sapphire Pulse 4GB
What would be the best thing to do in this scenario?

I assume just a 3000G Isn't gonna get me much sooo

[manic cloak]

There’s a hyte y60 blsck for 60$ in my area..

[little osprey]

Maybe I need to get a cheap like

[manic cloak]

I don’t need a case but like..

[little osprey]

1050?

or something idk

some cheap gpu to throw in so it's more appealing without deminishing returns? 😭

[little osprey]

Oh yeah it...does have issues too..💀 the audio jacks simply don't work and the FP USB ports are "finiky" at best which I believe is mobo side not case side 💀

[mossy venture]

I would either buy a case, then sell as is (without the 570 obviously since you want that), or you could buy a used cpu to throw in there and sell the Athlon alone, or sell in parts

Like cpu+ram+mobo+cooler as a bundle

And everything else individually

[little osprey]

Oh you're right I could sell it individually and just yeet the case

Would that yeild the best returns though? 🤔

[mossy venture]

In this case imo yeah

[little osprey]

Alright thank you

[mossy venture]

Oh also though

If you have like a little cousin or grand parent or someone else who'd use a low end pc, could throw a 3400g/4600g in there and have a decent pc for non gpu demanding tasks

[little osprey]

Well, as I am the littlest cousin and my grandparents have decent high spec laptops already I think that front looks alright 😭

[mossy venture]

Ah

[little osprey]

Actually hmm

Now that I realize what you meant,

How do you think throwing like, a 3600 in there and then selling it with no gpu would go 🤔

Still would be better to part it?

Cause that sounds like it'd also recieve decent results

[jagged ember]

3600 doesn't have an igpu

[little osprey]

Right, it'd be up to the buyer to know as-is system and they need a GPU

[jagged ember]

Buyer would need to find a GPU, but I think it'd still sell

Just with igpu or a GPU the value you can sell it for would be higher is all

[mossy venture]

Potentially

[jagged ember]

They'd have to get past the possibility that something is actually broken because they can't really test it unless they have their own GPU for testing that

[mossy venture]

Ah true

They do have a 570

[little osprey]

That is true

And I'm gonna assume the used cheap gpu route still isn't as viable as it was in like 2019? 😭

[mossy venture]

Eh it's pretty viable

[little osprey]

Just not best case scenario here?

[mossy venture]

it really just depends

if you get a good deal on a used gpu, then yeah 100%

[little osprey]

Wasn't a 5600 XT $100 not too long ago?

Brand new?

[mossy venture]

I'd say try looking for a 3600/3600x/3600xt/3700x used for ~60 and anything between a 1050 ti and 5700xt for 60-100

[hollow crag]

Hey bacca, my pc might sell today and I was wondering if the list you put together for me is still up to date? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xx39KX

[mossy venture]

looks like a bit needs to change but not much, one min

[hollow crag]

Thanks

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9Wfx9c

and i forget if you've ethernet or not, if you need wifi this would be good https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs-wifi

[hollow crag]

I’ve got Ethernet thanks ! And this will be easy to build as it’s my first time right?

[mossy venture]

yep!

oh also

[obsidian wigeon]

i wanna see a620 version of this board drop to $99

pls asrock

[mossy venture]

if you wanted, you could order either the rm750e or gf3 a3 750 off tiktok shop, as well as ram

it'd end up cheaper, and both psus are better than the gx pro (though any of the three is already more than enough for a 6700xt)

could also do h5 flow or 903 max from tt shop

I'd get those from tiktok, and they'll end up even cheaper since tiktok is giving everyone addition coupons

[obsidian wigeon]

hooh

i personally prefer g300a but

that's cool

[mossy venture]

or this ram

g300a is also really cheap on tiktok too

and 903 max

[obsidian wigeon]

mhm

don't think anyone needs more than g300a

and c12c's are dummy cheap

[mossy venture]

h5 flow does come with more fans though, and has more room for cable management i think

but yeah c12c +g300a comes out cheaper than h5 flow

[obsidian wigeon]

tf

$68 for 6000?

[mossy venture]

right?

[obsidian wigeon]

tiktok wegg wild

[mossy venture]

i think it's 6000c38, but still really nice

that g.skill kit is 6000c30 for $78

[obsidian wigeon]

i just saw

holy

[mossy venture]

when there was the $20 off coupons, you could get teamgroup gauranteed hynix for $56

[obsidian wigeon]

im shook

[mossy venture]

yeah if i had money the first time sales were around, I would've been buying parts to build a pc to sell

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

[mossy venture]

if these sales last into the new year that's what i plan to do

[obsidian wigeon]

it's easy flip

[mossy venture]

100%

technox built a $300 build with a 5500 and 32gb ram from tt shop

$500 with a used 6700xt

[hollow crag]

Thi seems very confusing lol

[mossy venture]

and that's after tax

[mossy venture]

basically, tiktok shop has some parts better priced than other sites

[obsidian wigeon]

short answer

[mossy venture]

and they have an additional coupon you can add

[obsidian wigeon]

buy from tiktok

[hollow crag]

But then I’d have to buy from 3 different sites huh

[mossy venture]

ye

[obsidian wigeon]

worth it

[mossy venture]

imo worth it but it's your choice

either way you get a great pc

[obsidian wigeon]

you're saving quite a bit

but it's ok if you don't wanna

[little osprey]

if the hd audio controller were dead,

would it still show up in windows?

[obsidian wigeon]

no

[little osprey]

then wtf

I get zero sound

but it shows up

[hollow crag]

Will it be different in performance if I buy from TikTok shop

[obsidian wigeon]

drivers still intact but hardware itself is ded

no

[mossy venture]

slightly better ram

aside from that not really

[obsidian wigeon]

just that you get similar/better parts for same money

[mossy venture]

unless you used the money saved towards a better gpu or smthn

[obsidian wigeon]

nothing much

[little osprey]

prolly idk

its weird tho

other than a slight discoloration in that area (really slight, really small)

theres no indication this should be broken

I get feedback when plugging into the mic hole in the fp

otherwise nowhere else

[hollow crag]

Okay ima just stick with newegg and Amazon for now as it’s easier for me

Thanks!

[winged crystal]

Does this tiktok shop have its own app? Or is it something within the tiktok app?

[mossy venture]

Within the app

[winged crystal]

Is it typically better than buying used from ebay?

[mossy venture]

Ehh depends

Gpus aren't super well priced on tiktok typically

But at times they have insane cpu, ssd, psu, ram, and case prices

Like they had 5500 for $60 at one point

Or 12100f for $64

I got my 2tb p41 plus for $34 after tax from tiktok shop

[winged crystal]

So its at least worth looking into

[mossy venture]

Are you looking to buy any parts right now?

Yesterday I went through tiktok and found most of the well priced parts and I posted them in #tech-deals so if you're looking for anything, odds are I know what's there and what's not

[winged crystal]

Seems ill have to download tiktok for the first time then lol

[hollow crag]

Hey bacca, one last question. This micro atx case will be fine with those pre installed fans right?

[mossy venture]

the bitfenix one?

[hollow crag]

Yep

[mossy venture]

yeah, but there are plenty of other options

you can either get this with a $12 or $13 pack of c12c fans off of amazon https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6pBzK8/phanteks-eclipse-g300a-1-fan-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ga_dbk01

or this one that just has fans pre installed https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NYNYcf/phanteks-eclipse-g300a-3-fan-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ga_dbk02

[hollow crag]

Okay I’m prob gonna go with this one thank you

[mossy venture]

np!

[hollow crag]

Okay I’m gonna send this here so I can refer back to it when I buy today https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HBCZ28

[winged crystal]

Cant seem to post pics yet....
TeamGroup ddr4 3600 CL 18-22-22-42

Or

Crosair Vengeance RGB RS high performance ddr4 dram?

[mossy venture]

what cpu, but def not corsair

[winged crystal]

I5-13500T

[mossy venture]

US?

and do you care about rgb?

[winged crystal]

Us and no i dont

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

though if you don't have a mobo yet, I'd go ddr5

13th gen suffers around 10-15% on ddr4 compared to ddr5 and it's not a huge price gap anymore

[winged crystal]

Unfortunately the motherboard is already here . So stuck with ddr4 for now. Maybe down the road though

[mossy venture]

ah alr

then that would be a good choice

unless you go used and got B die or rev E, and ram tuned

[winged crystal]

What would be an ideal m.2? Seems there is a significant price jump from 1tb to 2tb.... only cheap ones past that are aliexpress and those are fake flashed ones..

[mossy venture]

on tiktok theres p34a60 2tb for $60 and you could get it even cheaper with a coupon

not tiktok theres https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JtxRsY/msi-spatium-m371-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-30-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-spatium-m371-1tb

and https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VxfFf7/silicon-power-a60-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp002tbp34a60m28

[feral coral]

Hello, I'm new here. Looking for help finding a desktop pc to run Adobe Creative Suite

[mossy venture]

what are you looking to spend?

[winged crystal]

They seem to be same prices as amazon

[feral coral]

$1100, these programs Premiere Pro
Photoshop
Audition
Acrobat
InDesign
Media Encoder

[winged crystal]

Its interesting though that newegg sells their stuff a little cheaper threw tiktok then their own website though

[mossy venture]

do you need good cpu performance, a lot of ram, or a good gpu

or a mix thereof

[mossy venture]

yep, and tiktok has additional 20%-35% off coupons for everyone

[winged crystal]

How does one find the coupons?

[mossy venture]

they should just pop up for you normally

[feral coral]

we don't need a gaming gpu, but an internal one may not work. A mix I would say. 16-32 GB RAM

[mossy venture]

wdym

[winged crystal]

It says neither the 15% or 20% is valid XD. Guess tiktok doesn't want me using it to make purchases lol

[feral coral]

a mix of cpu performance, ram, and gpu. WE don't need the high end gaming gpu, but I think we do need a gpu.

[mossy venture]

it might have a minimum purchase limit

[mossy venture]

ok

few min

[winged crystal]

Its over both. Thats why i don't get it

[feral coral]

how do I reply to a message like you did?

[winged crystal]

If your on your phone hold down on the text until a command box pops up and hit "reply"

[mossy venture]

does anything you do require an nvidia gpu?

you either press and hold on the message then click reply

if mobile

desktop right click then hit reply

[feral coral]

I don't see a specific gpu listed in the requirements

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HxfVBL

there you go

you could also do https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XZQwqR

@feral coral

[feral coral]

Thanks. They have a wrning about updating the BIOS

[mossy venture]

ah wait yeah, one sec

here, this has a bios flash button to make it easy https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K9Fbt6/msi-pro-z690-a-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-wifi

[feral coral]

Thanks, I need to figure out how to use that site.

Do they put it together for you, or is it "some assembly required."

[mossy venture]

it's completely assembly required

[winged crystal]

Probably can have a tech savvy buddy throw it together for some lunch or something

[austere basalt]

@potent portal okay so good news I think. The 1 hour ram test came back clean. I tried the udd app again and it worked. I ran a bunch of games last night no issues, then today I let Planet coaster run in game for like 4 hours with no problems! Before it'd crash after like 20 minutes at most, maybe an hour?

[potent portal]

Huh. So maybe it was the driver after all.

[austere basalt]

Yeah... should I run that other memory test just to be safe?

[hollow crag]

Bacca, I have another question sorry.. does the motherboard you provided support display port?

My monitor only allows DP for 144hz it says

[potent portal]

If you want you can run it for a little while. It's a lot more intensive so it probably wouldn't need the full hour even, but longer is better so it completes more cycles. The fail condition for VST is the threads will show an error and stop testing on that thread.

[potent portal]

Is it the one from this list?

If so then yes it does

[austere basalt]

Gotcha. So this uninstall the Nvidia control panel and such (for example, my GPU doesn't pop up in corsairs icue) Am I good to reinstall that? It was nice for optimizing games

[hollow crag]

yea it was that list thank you

[potent portal]

You can try reinstalling it yeah, and if you have issues after at least we know where to start troubleshooting

[earnest olive]

I'm pretty sure you want to be going with nvidia for the adobe suite

6900xt gets significantly outperformed by 3060 in pugetbench at least

seems like some improvements for rx 7000 that put it on par with 30 series

7900xtx scoring similar to 3090ti

but yeah I don't think I would recommend a 6650xt

[cyan ravine]

or radeon 7600 for AV1

[earnest olive]

wow new 3060 prices are still cringeworthy though

[cyan ravine]

yeah pretty much lol

[earnest olive]

can't find good info on rx 7600 in adobe

12gb on the 3060 might be more compelling though for this use case

doesn't seem like the adobe suite is leveraging av1 in rx 7000 very well

all I can find for the 7600 is blender

[mossy venture]

Due to what was said above, id do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fK9nGP

And ty sips

[cyan ravine]

On the high end you have dual av1, and it's stronger like for like than 40 series in specifically encode

but low end I have no clue either

I just know the 7600/A750 are the two low end sensible AV1 options

like A750 would still be great, pretty pigeon-holed option though

[earnest olive]

apparently 7600 is barely 1/3 of 3060 performance in blender

[cyan ravine]

blender is an nvidia playground tho

[earnest olive]

yeah

but so is adobe lol

[cyan ravine]

the fact it's even 1/3 is an achievement with lack of optix

nah adobe is kinda not really anymore

[earnest olive]

probably not quite that heavily weighted though

[cyan ravine]

if I was to do a high end encoding rig

I would do xtx specifically

that said it would depend on the types of encode

like H.264 is still lacking on AMD's end

even though it's a legacy format at this point (looking at you twitch)

[earnest olive]

I think amd's strategy at this point is to just wait for the world to move on from h264

watching discord stream from my friend with 5800x3d 6900xt is painful

[cyan ravine]

6000 series is mid for encode though

[earnest olive]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

b frame support is limited

[earnest olive]

but it's like shockingly bad

frequently dropping resolution to probably some demon child of 72p and 144p

while barely maintaining single digit fps

his gf streams off the same network with a 2700x + 1070 and the difference is staggering

discord might be falling back to software rendering with a 6900xt not sure

I remember software encoding was surprisingly bad on my 5800x

but it wasn't quite as bad as what I'm seeing from my friend so maybe not

[cyan ravine]

I'd have no idea

streaming is not something I do with my 6900xt lol

[vague oracle]

My discord streams were pure 💩 when I was using an XTX

[thorn mural]

what are the best amd cards that don't need 6/8pin power for around $30-40?

I have a computer that could use a dgpu but i dont have any psu cables to plug in to it

[pseudo pollen]

rx 6400? not sure lemme check

[thorn mural]

Sorry i forgot to specify budget

I was looking at rx 400 series but all i can find are mining cards

[pseudo pollen]

most of those are 8 pin iirc

and mining cards are completely fine

[languid nimbus]

^

[lyric thistle]

isn't rx 460 the highest tier one that doesn't require psu power

[pseudo pollen]

rx 6400 doesn't require any either

[thorn mural]

Yeah but i'm just looking for something cheap

I dont need any decent performance its just gonna be a display out card

[lyric thistle]

just get a quadro 600 or something

[thorn mural]

Alright i'll have a look at that and the 460

thx guys

[languid nimbus]

you can get a quadro 600 for like $10 on ebay lol

[lyric thistle]

yep

just send a taco bell burrito to them in the mail

equivalent exchange

[thorn mural]

bro the 460 listings are so terrible

people are still trying to sell those for $60-70

[mossy venture]

What psu is it?

[tepid roost]

are Titanium Micro ssds good?

[lyric thistle]

for that much you should probably be able to get like a 980

[thorn mural]

its in a prebuilt and it not modular

[mossy venture]

Ah alright

[thorn mural]

hence why im trying to get pcie power

[mossy venture]

Then 6400 prob highest you could go

[thorn mural]

and im looking at amd because i want to hackintosh

[mossy venture]

Yeah figures

550/560 prob

Also don't old nvidia gpus also support it?

Wasn't 750 ti pcie powered or nah

[thorn mural]

The new versions of macos dropped support for nvidia

[mossy venture]

Ah

That sucks

[thorn mural]

Yea super unfortunate

[mossy venture]

Is igpu not enough or does the build not have an igpu

[thorn mural]

9400f

no igpu

[tepid roost]

are Titanium Micro ssds good or nah

[thorn mural]

Is SATA to gpu power viable?

Or is that a fire hazard

[mossy venture]

Fire hazard

[mossy venture]

Link?

Is the build oem?

If not $52 Apevia Prestige is fine

[tepid roost]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Photonman1/saved/frDTmG

my friend looking at building something decent

he also wanted to get the 13400f but isn't gonna do it unless he knows fs the mobo doesn't need flashed or whatever

[mossy venture]

Or this off tiktok, everyone gets coupons on tiktok so it'd end up cheaper

[mossy venture]

Ok one min

[tepid roost]

tho I don't see why a new mobo wouldn't have a late enough bios for a 13400f

[mossy venture]

Would he be willing to buy ssd and psu off tiktok shop?

Rm750e is $82 before coupon, 1tb 670p or m371 are both cheap too

Also I think white h5 flow is like $60 something before coupon

If not this for ssd, or a60/m371 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vXLdnQ/silicon-power-ud85-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp01kgbp44ud8505

Stock cooler is fine, though I'd consider going ddr5 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HCVL7R

From tiktok shop, this would be great

But one sec I'll do one not with tt shop as well

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yxm7Cd

[tepid roost]

ddr5??? ew

[obsidian wigeon]

what's the problem with ddr5, especially when it's this cheap

[mossy venture]

????

[tepid roost]

yeah I didn't think it'd be that cheap lol

I said that before I saw the price

[mossy venture]

13th gen performs upwards of 10% worse on ddr4

[tepid roost]

yeah it's just the horrendous price that ddr5 can have that's all

good price tho fs

[tepid roost]

so this build is better than the one I sent correct?

while being pretty much the same price

also nah on the tiktok shop lol

[potent portal]

Molex to 6 pin would be ok if you're only doing a little power and you use a decent adapter

[thorn mural]

Dont have molex. Thank you though

[potent portal]

SATA is a big no then

[thorn mural]

Rx550 2gb it is

[tepid roost]

Hi falcie, is that build true bacca sent better than the one I sent earlier?

[potent portal]

I haven't been paying much attention over the last few hours, which ones?

[tepid roost]

this one vs

[tepid roost]

this

obviously the cpu diff makes a difference but yea

[lyric thistle]

probably is

[mossy venture]

Ye

[tepid roost]

ight cool

[mossy venture]

If going 12th I'd just do ddr4

[tepid roost]

also is it preferable to get a wifi mobo or a seperate adapter?

[mossy venture]

Doesn't matter much, just get a wifi 6 or 6e internal card

[lyric thistle]

it doesn't make a difference to me I don't think

[tepid roost]

lol

[potent portal]

There's little difference, on the mobo is slightly more convenient but often can't be changed later, the reverse is true for PCIe cards

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MMjBD3/intel-ax200-80211abgnacax-m2-e-wi-fi-adapter-ax200ngwgdtk

[limber oyster]

I found my next builds case

[potent portal]

The last person here to try that bought a Pelican case and a bunch of ITX parts, decided it was too tight to fit with a screen on the upper side, and scrapped the project for now. And the Pelican case is much bigger than that.
Fair warning, that is a high degree of difficulty project.

You could probably do it with a Raspberry Pi though, that would simplify things but also limit the usefulness and power.

[limber oyster]

I'm gonna be using a hotel tv

So no screen is fine

[limber oyster]

How did he ground the board? That's the biggest issue I see me having

[potent portal]

2 tips then:
Measure twice, then measure twice again
Custom length cables are your friend

[limber oyster]

Yee

[potent portal]

Ground goes to the power supply which goes to the wall

[limber oyster]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d7QL7R

Here's the parts I'm using

Doesn't the board also ground to the PC case too?

[potent portal]

Sort of but not really

Because then where is the case grounded

The power supply

[limber oyster]

Ahhh ok

I thought that was what the motherboard stand off screws were for. To direct to ground

[potent portal]

But then the only connection the case has to ground is through the power supply to the wall ground so it's really just redundant

That's why you can run a motherboard with no case sitting on top of a cardboard box

[limber oyster]

Fair

What's the point to the screws then? Airflow behind the board?

[potent portal]

To keep the back of the motherboard from touching the metal case

Cardboard isn't conductive but metal sure is, so all those exposed solder points are just asking for a short

[limber oyster]

Ahhh true true

[tepid roost]

@potent portal is there a good mobo with wifi for 13th gen intel that has wifi that's less than 150?

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/N6nypg/gigabyte-b760-gaming-x-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760-gaming-x-ax

[tepid roost]

do more like 120

[potent portal]

The only thing with wifi cheaper than that is the DS3H which I wouldn't exactly call "good"

[tepid roost]

ok

does it work tho

[potent portal]

It's functional but I wouldn't do more than a 13500 on it personally

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jHfnTW/gigabyte-b760m-ds3h-ax-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760m-ds3h-ax

[tepid roost]

he plans on doing a 13400f

[potent portal]

That's the cheapest one then

Unless you want to lose a ton of memory speed and go H610

[tepid roost]

yeah that one is good

[limber oyster]

Too bad the market for itx lga1151 is horrible to this day

[olive cypress]

Kind of a sleeper build
I'll post some better pics later

All for less than 200 bucks

[pseudo pollen]

$200? that's insane. I'm guessing that's a rx 480/580?

[split cliff]

Is this safe/good for spray painting GPUs and PC towers white?

[olive cypress]

Much better than that
Vega 56

[pseudo pollen]

Niiiice

( had russian keyboard on)

[olive cypress]

I got everything used, pc €24 eBay, cpu i7 4770 €37 eBay, Vega 56 (other used stuff website) for €90

[plucky timber]

I wouldn't spray paint the PCB

[little osprey]

Unless you know how to disassemble the GPU and only spray paint the shroud and fans (Not the motors) I wouldn’t advise it

[plucky timber]

I'm worried about the paint being conductive

[little osprey]

How so?

One second

[olive cypress]

Why would they paint the pcb?

[split cliff]

i’m gonna disassemble the GPU and paint the outside…

[little osprey]

Because idiots exist

[split cliff]

i’m just wondering if the paint is safe

[little osprey]

More so humans

[olive cypress]

Yeah as far as you use it on non electric parts

[plucky timber]

It depends on the paint but

I wouldn't take the risk

Basically don't touch the pcbs

[split cliff]

i’m not a complete idiot lol

[olive cypress]

Make sure you don't paint parts that are touching heat sources like the heat pipes because it could ruin the coating

[little osprey]

No guarantee the paint will stick well or won’t degrade quickly

[plucky timber]

This is probably more of an issue

[olive cypress]

You can test that on a similar material, I spray painted a plastic shroud on a armor gtx card and it sticked just fine, no need for sandpaper
But you'll have to try it yourself

I used heat resistant paint on mine just because I had some but I guess regular one can even absorb 70c no problems

[earnest olive]

i mined 24/7 on a painted 5700xt

didn't notice any problems with the paint over time

[cinder glen]

I dont know too much about AMD but I heard they are a better CPU for games like city skyline 2. I want to upgrade her comp to run it. She currently has like a 5-6 yr old comp

looking for build rec

[mossy venture]

What is the budget?

And country? What are her current specs, are you looking for a whole new build or to carry some parts over

Does she need wifi, care about aesthetics (if so what look would she like,) care about size, and how much storage? Last question, would you/her be open to ordering certain parts from tik tok potentially? Newegg currently has a shop through tiktok shop, and there are some very nicely priced parts on it

@cinder glen

[cinder glen]

Old pc is intel with 1080 TI. cant remember all the specs as it was built 5-6 years ago.

Country USA. Only thing that will prob carry over is M.2 SSD (but I might upgrade it to a faster SSD), PC Case, and possibly PSU.

Other than that, will be a whole new build. Don't really have budget but I guess I will set the limit around 2k.

Wifi yes, aesthetics no. She wont care as the PC case sits hidden behind our TV

[mossy venture]

Kk, few min

Wait actually

What case is it

Js depends on case https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qcWwqR

[cinder glen]

mid atx

also have a full size in storage from 10 years ago

[mossy venture]

That would not be ideal

Does the mid atx case have a mesh front?

Or solid

@cinder glen

[cinder glen]

cool master MasterBox Pro 5 atm mid tower

[mossy venture]

I'd replace it, since it has a solid front the components don't get much airflow

And you can get a great case around $45-60 now

Here, with a new case https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wmPL7R

[cyan ravine]

Sticking a pc behind a TV there's probably a very real performance gain in opting for a vented front over a solid front, bit more than the typical gains of a mesh front anyway

Would opt for a fan layout that exhausts straight up

[cinder glen]

CPU comes with a free game...lol Avatar. So far all the newegg is $650

[cinder glen]

great, so now after I told her. plan is to mount the tv and now aestetics matters...fml

[mossy venture]

That's fine, easy fix. What look would she like?

I'll be a few, but lmk and I gotchu

[vague oracle]

build a SFF pc

[leaden mauve]

super tower >

[mossy venture]

Well I'm off to bed soon, but I made this if white would be what yall want. Can go cheaper too without losing out on too much, especially if you're fine with a black gpu (or if you just don't want a white build) https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dDhx9c

[little osprey]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804064791282.html? wowe that is expensive 💀

What PSU Wattage will I need for this?

What card

[potent portal]

Chances are a good 550W will be plenty but the quality of the unit matters too, and what quality you need is determined by the GPU you'll be using

[little osprey]

570 for now

I do want to upgrade eventually to something a little more capable at 1080p and that has HDMI but for now I'm rocking my 570

[potent portal]

RX 570? That barely uses any power tbh

A C tier unit would be good enough for maybe a 3060/4060/6600 XT/7600 upgrade later

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NhsKHx/rosewill-hive-s-650-w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-hive-650s

Fully modular would be best here because you don't need the CPU power or anything

[little osprey]

Hmm..