building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YGd2RK

this amuses me

just pretend those 3090s are 3090tis

[wary tundra]

I forgot they made cases too

[earnest olive]

of course, you have to buy the cheapest compatible cpu possible so that you can spend the minimum amount of money on non-evga parts to get the system running

[wary tundra]

I would put my main system in this right now

[robust marten]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NYFLDZ

This is my part list wanted to see I it could possibly be reviewed.

[obsidian wigeon]

change aio to ls/lt720, gpu to 6950xt as 4070 isn't as great of a value

you don't need to buy windows, especially not in dvd form

psu can be changed to thermaltake, there's white gf1

and ssd should be p41 plus instead of that samsung drive

[cyan ravine]

Man you could have a good 40% more pc performance for that price

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QthwVW boop

[cyan ravine]

You need to remember frozen notte is half the price for near equivalence

Almost best of the best gaming pc in white for same price
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GDYKZJ

Would consider a better monitor though.

[robust marten]

I’m sorry meant to preface I am a digital designer and makeup content creator but I also run games like Minecraft and Overwatch. I also am wanting to do an all white build

Preferably all white or white silver and some black

[cyan ravine]

How much blender do you do in a day

[robust marten]

what does blender mean?

[cyan ravine]

Excellent answer

Ok the second list is perfectly fine

💀

If your answer was anything like* more than an hour a day I would have changed things

[robust marten]

I’m sorry I don’t get the context of this conversation

[cyan ravine]

Blender is a creative app

If you're not familiar with it then there's no need to go nvidia

[robust marten]

No I work the adobe suite and photo editing software

[cyan ravine]

Yeah amd is fine for that

The exception I'd make is if you really want to use quick sync

So I'd opt for an intel cpu instead

If anything

[robust marten]

Yeah that’s what I am wanting

[cyan ravine]

Ok

I can tailor it a little bit then

[robust marten]

Really just wanting to see if my list is compatible with what i am looking to do

[cyan ravine]

Gimme a couple minutes, I'll drop the list then I gotta go

@robust marten boop
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8yjD89

Fit 64gb instead in there for your editing work

good 64gb sticks at that

All the lists I posted work together btw

[robust marten]

Ok

[cyan ravine]

Alr, I gotta go good luck

👋

I'm late

[cyan ravine]

@robust marten let us know if you have more questions, like something you're curious about or why we'd change some things, always open to spill guts

[obsidian wigeon]

thx i always forget that one lol

[robust marten]

Lmao yeah you changed my build around a lot. I don’t like the case you chose at all I really want an aesthetically pleasing case with tempered glass and an all white build but I wanna at least make sure I can still do photo and video editing on it and run the games I want

[mossy venture]

The games you want to run should be in the back of your mind, a 1660 could run overwatch easily

Let alone a 6950xt, 4070, or 7900xt

That's also $1000 over your original budget from yesterday lol

In the list you had, the nzxt aio is worse than the thermalright frozen magic

You don't need to buy a windows license

Corsair ram is bad, only worth it if cheaper than similar specced ram

[mossy venture]

Nvm ignore this one

Miss saw

But ssd is overpriced, 670p will give same gaming experience for cheaper

[robust marten]

Ok ok lol

Sooooo can you do my list for me

[obsidian wigeon]

a black/grey gpu doesn't look too bad in white builds personally, but im all for function over form so take that as you will

[robust marten]

Riiiight

[obsidian wigeon]

there's other white cases that do look decent, though gpu might have to be bumped down a tier if you want more expensive cases

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M88ccH you can change gpu as you decide

[obsidian wigeon]

i'd swap for 6950xt imo

[mossy venture]

Case is overpriced, but if you like it you like it

[obsidian wigeon]

there's xfx one on amazon for 529

[mossy venture]

They want a white gpu, I was talking to them yesterday for a couple hours

[mossy venture]

Oos

[obsidian wigeon]

welp

[fossil cedar]

May i suggest g27q + desk arm instead

[mossy venture]

That's fair

[cyan ravine]

Used white 3080 over any 4070 ever

Ever ever ever

[obsidian wigeon]

felix hating 4070 part 420

[cyan ravine]

Yes cos it's trash

Lol

[obsidian wigeon]

it is, i get it smh

just pokim

[cyan ravine]

3080 performance for 1.5x the price of a 3080 used

Worse than 3080 in workstation tasks like premiere

[obsidian wigeon]

white radeons are like rare

[cyan ravine]

Phantom Gaming 6950 exists

Silver is almost white right?

[fossil cedar]

We're ....
Getting back together

Idk why that popped into my head

[cyan ravine]

[robust marten]

I would like my list made for me lol so yeah

[cyan ravine]

I understand, but the 4070 and 4060 Ti 16g are on my bad list for a reason lol

Arguably by far the two worst 40 series cards

2 worst nvidia cards made in years

Bar like, 2060 12gb

[fossil cedar]

Yeah because they were naughty and now their only getting coal in December 😤

[obsidian wigeon]

i'd go used but if it's really gotta be all new

4070 it is

[cyan ravine]

I can even agree with spending too much on a used 3080 white

Over a 4070

There's just too many benefits

Esp for stuff like premiere

The higher bit bus is a big deal

Actual performance gains

And you pay less for a still white card

[jagged ember]

Oh

Well I'm never swapping off my used 3080 then

[mossy venture]

I agree, but they don't want to buy used and their original budget was $1300, as well as being fairly set on a white gpu

So it's kinda the best option

[cyan ravine]

Cringe

I'd get the 4070 ti Ventus in that case

[jagged ember]

Ew ventus

[obsidian wigeon]

[cyan ravine]

The new ventus is fine

I've already tried one

[obsidian wigeon]

overbuilt anyway

[cyan ravine]

It's not

[obsidian wigeon]

nvidia making sure no trash gets out

[cyan ravine]

It's "enough"

[obsidian wigeon]

well it's a change

[cyan ravine]

Not under not over

Yes vs older gens it's not terrible

[obsidian wigeon]

it's in the it works fine range now

[cyan ravine]

Mhm

[obsidian wigeon]

tbf me who prefers function over looks would much rather have no aib cards

imagine if aibs stopped making gpus altogether

forcing reference cards to be the only option

[cyan ravine]

Then nvidia would charge whatever they want

[obsidian wigeon]

true

[cyan ravine]

I don't want that

When was the last time a reference card was cheapest nv side?

Hint hint: crypto crisis

I'm really sassy today lol

But this isn't like AMD that do their MBA program

[obsidian wigeon]

I hate amd's complacency on pricing

[cyan ravine]

Nvidia is way more complacent

[obsidian wigeon]

ofc

They're the leader

But radeon still has it bad

[cyan ravine]

Fair, rdna 3 isn't shifting much anymore

But demand might be there is why

[obsidian wigeon]

I only want Intel Battlemage to come faster cuz they might be able to put some sense into these two

[cyan ravine]

I uh

Actually read something quite concerning about that two days ago

[obsidian wigeon]

Huh??

Cancellation?

[cyan ravine]

From our own Fitz boi

[obsidian wigeon]

sweats

[jagged ember]

Uh oh

[obsidian wigeon]

Not a good sign at all

[cyan ravine]

You could dig several levels deeper to like, LinkedIn's to see how serious it is

[obsidian wigeon]

I don't wanna see, don't wanna know

[cyan ravine]

But yeah, not the best news

[obsidian wigeon]

Intel breaking my hope

[jagged ember]

Intel that's kinda sus

Wtf you doin bro

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[cyan ravine]

They promised a new gen every year

They're overdue

[jagged ember]

Ah

That's what happened

[obsidian wigeon]

so intel is panicking

[cyan ravine]

Who knows it could just be placebo

I wouldn't read too much into it

[obsidian wigeon]

maybe

They better not give up

They've come this far

Arc is semi-usable now

I hate seeing radeon and nvidia getting away with terrible prices

[jagged ember]

If Nvidia does it and gets away with it then AMD too

[obsidian wigeon]

Radeon is just like "Hmm, nvidia is this spensiv? ok bump it down like $200 less. Good!"

And bam, we have new radeon msrp

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839021258262708274/1144649029230264371/image.png @cyan ravine 7700xt/7800xt prices out

$449

[cyan ravine]

Wow

Like exactly what I guessed it would be

500-550

[vague oracle]

That ain’t a terrible price if it’ll outperform a 6800xt

[obsidian wigeon]

numbers are compared to 2070S LMAO

[cyan ravine]

And people called me bs

[obsidian wigeon]

THEY'RE COMPARING IT TO 2070S

[vague oracle]

Well 7700xt outperforming 6800xt

[obsidian wigeon]

Not their 6700XT

[cyan ravine]

??

[vague oracle]

I really find that hard to believe lol

[obsidian wigeon]

they're pitting it against 2070 Super

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839021258262708274/1144648755874893942/image.png

[cyan ravine]

Is that bad?

[tawny violet]

Oh boy, that kinda makes me feel stupid to buy a 6700XT when I did

[obsidian wigeon]

why?

[vague oracle]

Uhh, could be

[obsidian wigeon]

6700xt is probably not slower lol

[vague oracle]

2070S is 3060 level iirc

[cyan ravine]

We already knew mathematically the 7800xt will likely match the 6800xt

[obsidian wigeon]

sooo

[cyan ravine]

This does not surprise me

[obsidian wigeon]

it is 6700xt match

[vague oracle]

Where does the 7600xt stand performance wise?

[cyan ravine]

It doesn't

[obsidian wigeon]

there's no 7600xt

[cyan ravine]

No exist

[obsidian wigeon]

there's just 7600 rn

[tawny violet]

I'd never get 84FPS in Resident Evil 4 RT

not at max settings

[obsidian wigeon]

ofc rt is better but who cares

numbers look close to 6700xt when not using rt

[vague oracle]

Where does the 7600* stand performance wise?

[cyan ravine]

Trust me, if you're someone who has ever used RT, you're either that 1/10 who uses it everywhere, or that 9/10 who stopped caring a week later after owning it

[vague oracle]

[cyan ravine]

6700-ish

[vague oracle]

Bruh so why is the 7700xt being compared to a 2070s

[cyan ravine]

Idk

It's 2x over 2070s

[jagged ember]

Amd marketing™️

[tawny violet]

I can technically now do RT things occasionally if I wanted to

[cyan ravine]

Why are you guys talking like it's sub 7600 all of a sudden lol

[tawny violet]

cuz the 6700XT IIRC isn't too shabby at RT
It should be playable at like medium-high settings with RT

[obsidian wigeon]

at least compare it to 3070

[cyan ravine]

7800xt should be near-ish 2x 7600

[obsidian wigeon]

but they didn't

[cyan ravine]

By die design

[mossy venture]

I'd even take 3060 ti lol

[jagged ember]

I do feel like a comparison to two generation old card is uh

Wonky

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah it's sussy

[mossy venture]

2070s is just them trying to make it seem better than it is

[jagged ember]

Marketing wise

[obsidian wigeon]

or hell compare it to 4060ti

[mossy venture]

Logically they should've compared to 3060 12gb

[obsidian wigeon]

to make it seem "better"

[mossy venture]

While it's worse than 2070s, it's comparing to last gen

[cyan ravine]

They should both be significantly better than the 7600

[mossy venture]

They'd make their card seem better comparing to last gen than two gens ago

[obsidian wigeon]

ye but how is it against last gen?

[cyan ravine]

2048 vs 3456 vs 3840

[obsidian wigeon]

6700xt vs 7700xt and 6800xt vs 7800xt

[cyan ravine]

7800 xt = 1.9x, 7700xt = 1.5x

[mossy venture]

3060 12gb is worse than 2070s

[cyan ravine]

7700xt should beat 6700xt

[mossy venture]

Shoulda compared against that with the marketing tactics they're going for

[obsidian wigeon]

so

it sits like 6750xt?

[cyan ravine]

But not by much

Probably

[obsidian wigeon]

but not 6800xt since 7800xt exists

still it's bad

[cyan ravine]

6800xt and 7800xt should be about the same

[obsidian wigeon]

this gpu is worth 300 max

imo

[cyan ravine]

Actually, my estimates might be off

[mossy venture]

I'd imagine it's 6800 and 6800xt performance actually, since it's only a $50 price diff. I hope anyways

[cyan ravine]

It might be better

According to TPU they're estimating much higher

[obsidian wigeon]

it better be

[mossy venture]

I hope so

[obsidian wigeon]

or i am upsetti

[cyan ravine]

I wouldn't be surprised

AMD has done this several times

It's just less evil than Nvidia

[obsidian wigeon]

im not surprised just still angeri

[cyan ravine]

Who keep trying to raise the bar

And make it worse for themselves

[jagged ember]

The gold bar

[cyan ravine]

I really doubt these would be trash

This won't be a 4060ti release lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

it better not

[cyan ravine]

By the math it can't be

[obsidian wigeon]

waiting on reviews eagerly

[cyan ravine]

They're touting the 7800xt on tpu to be much higher

Like, probably 6900xt perf?

If you compare it to the 7700xt page

Which by generational uplift checks out

It's Navi 32 tho

And quite the physical step down in cores from Navi 31

So idk

[obsidian wigeon]

Huh?

That looks great if it does

newer 6900xt for 500

[cyan ravine]

Ya but 7900 GRE is like, 5120

[obsidian wigeon]

tru

the gre still exists

[cyan ravine]

Vs 7800XT 3840

[obsidian wigeon]

ree

[cyan ravine]

Good 20% difference...

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah I can't expect 6900xt outta $500

[cyan ravine]

So my guess is near 6800xt/6800

Probably 6800xt performance

[obsidian wigeon]

sadge

[cyan ravine]

Which is, lackluster yeah

But it sets a new low bar

[obsidian wigeon]

it's all sadness

[cyan ravine]

That price becomes concrete

[obsidian wigeon]

true

$450-500 for midranger

[cyan ravine]

You kinda saw this with the 7600

Suddenly all the last gen near it dropped

[obsidian wigeon]

i mean fair lmao

[cyan ravine]

So it might lead to navi 21 price drops

[obsidian wigeon]

so in the end

we will get price creeps

[cyan ravine]

Just don't hope for anything amazing

[obsidian wigeon]

man pc gaming keeps getting more expensive

[cyan ravine]

By die size the 7800xt is expected to be plain

By $/fps it'll still be good but not this new shiny standard

[obsidian wigeon]

and new "games" being so trash

[cyan ravine]

I said this months ago, AMD shot themselves in the foot for next gen with their RDNA 2 prices

[obsidian wigeon]

3080 12gb struggles to break 70 fps with 1080p native low on immortals

[cyan ravine]

Can't be surprised now lolol

[obsidian wigeon]

im not surprised tbh, just sad

[cyan ravine]

Omg 256 bit bus on 7800xt

[tawny violet]

That good?

[cyan ravine]

For radeon yes

[obsidian wigeon]

yems

[tawny violet]

Nice

[cyan ravine]

It's I think equivalent to 6900xt

XTX has 384 iirc which is...excessively big

But I appreciate that

Bigger bus better life

Oh the infinity cache difference will be what separates them @obsidian wigeon

[obsidian wigeon]

hmm, that's interesting

[cyan ravine]

Fascinating to see the navi 32 use 4 mcd's instead of 6

Does the 7600 have 2mcd's?

I'm moving this to #general-chat

[broken lake]

Guys, my friends pc randomly blue screened and now whenever he tries to restart it, it just boots up to bios

Is there a way to override that or get around that some way?

[mossy venture]

It boots to bios as in when he exits bios it goes right back?

Or does it go to bios and when he exits goes to windows

If the first, try clearing cmos and then boot

After that if it won't boot try one stick of ram

Then I'd say reinstall windows, would need a USB drive with windows on it

[broken lake]

It goes right back to bios

What is cmos and how do I reset it?

[fossil cedar]

?cmos

[jolly river]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[fossil cedar]

@broken lake ^

[broken lake]

oh that is helpful

gracias

[fossil cedar]

no prob

[broken lake]

Does anyone know which set of pins this is trying to circle?

[south cliff]

What does this mean I can’t partition my friends ssd

Nvm I got it

[broken lake]

Ok resetting cmos did in fact not work

[south cliff]

What does this mean I can’t partition my friends ssd

How do I clone a hdd to a ssd

And make the ssd the boot drive

[weary galleon]

I've used Macrium Reflect in the past

[south cliff]

Do you gotta pay?

[burnt stratus]

Free for a bit then you have to pay. I’ve used it, it works well

[south cliff]

Do I have to take out the hdd

If I use malcrium reflect

[lyric thistle]

what is

[south cliff]

How do I use it

[lyric thistle]

what do you mean by this more specifically

[south cliff]

Watched a video and he said after take out the hdd then boot into windows

[burnt stratus]

macrium reflect

[lyric thistle]

https://youtu.be/4pawQPgEGL0?si=MX5F_HBsxSunPHbc

this is the tutorial I used lol

[lyric thistle]

no it isn't

[burnt stratus]

isnt what

[lyric thistle]

not a free trial

[burnt stratus]

is it free forever?

[lyric thistle]

it's a free edition

[burnt stratus]

i think the one i mightve used you got a free trial for

[lyric thistle]

you can buy a paid edition

[burnt stratus]

no idea though

[south cliff]

I’m copying everything to the ssd rn

[lyric thistle]

you can leave the hard drive in the machine and just unplug power and data cables, or if it's a laptop you might want to remove it

[south cliff]

Do I just go to bios and set it as the boot device

How do I stop it from booting to hdd

Because it still has everything on it

[lyric thistle]

that's one way of doing it, you'll have to if you're using an m.2 drive

[south cliff]

I’m pretty sure

[lyric thistle]

if you're using a SATA ssd, you can just plug the cables into it that were plugged into the hard drive

so since you have an m.2 drive, change the boot order in the bios

[south cliff]

Ok but what if I wanna keep the hdd

[lyric thistle]

I've never gotten rid of the hard drive after cloning

I just keep them unplugged for a few months after cloning with all the data as a copy, just to be safe

then I plug them in as normal (they show up normally with all the data), and then I format them

using disk management

[south cliff]

Ok so I gotta wait?

[strong raft]

Don't take everything at face value, & obviously don't format the hdd unless you want to delete what's on it. Main thing is just unplug the hdd during windows install to the ssd. Won't have to adjust boot order when ssd is the only thing hooked up

[south cliff]

Alr

[south cliff]

I don’t care if I delete what’s on the hdd I just want to put everything on the ssd and use hdd for storage

[strong raft]

Ok. I'm not a fan of cloning a hdd to ssd even if it goes perfectly. After OS install can later easily copy/transfer stuff from hdd and/or leave it intact for a while.

[lyric thistle]

I don't see why anyone should be a fan of any method

cloning works

installing windows works

[north bobcat]

Hi, so my PC blue screened and now will only boot up into Bios. I tried clearing cmos and then booting, and then I tried booting with each of the sticks of ram individually, but neither worked. I also noticed that under M.2 it said N/A and I was wondering if that could be the issue. If anyone has any ideas that would be a HUGE help!

[mossy venture]

I think next would be either try another boot drive or try reinstalling windows on the existing drive

[north bobcat]

Thank you!

[little osprey]

7900xtx with 7900x should i go 4k or 1440p

[fossil cedar]

Depends, personally I'd go 1440p maybe 240hz, also depends on monitor size I'd only get 4k if going 32" or over

27"-32" I'd say 1440p

[little osprey]

thanks i would like to do a 3440x1440p and good monitors that wont kill the bank say 500

also any good speakers you cna recommend?

[fossil cedar]

Oh yeah if you want ultra wide def 1440 because uw is a lot harder to run

[little osprey]

i should not have a ton of problems running UW 1440 with 7900xtx right or should i stick to 1400p with higher refresh

[fossil cedar]

No that'll be fine

[analog hearth]

What’s the horizontal resolution of 1400p? I’m not familiar with that one

[fossil cedar]

2560

Assuming you mean 1440p?

[marsh kiln]

is it worth extra 70 dollars for ryzen 7 7800X3D over a ryzen 7 7700x?

[analog hearth]

I read 1400p from this message

[fossil cedar]

If you're gaming definitely

[marsh kiln]

I mainly do gaming and editing

[fossil cedar]

It'd be a nice bumb for gaming, but unless you're going pretty high end gpu or you mainly do esports you probably won't see a difference between 7700 (x is only worth getting if sameish price)and 7800x3d

[little osprey]

lol yea sorry

now im just looking for some good speakers

[fossil cedar]

#peripherals-and-displays is probably where you'd find your best answer

[analog hearth]

You’re good lol I also just woke up

[paper summit]

Feel like making me a 1000usd list?

[fossil cedar]

gaming? aesthetics?

[paper summit]

A good mix of both

its only for 1080p

so yeah

[fossil cedar]

what aesthetics they care about? and they could do 1440p easily with 1k budget now assuming monitors not needed in that

[paper summit]

yeah they alr have a 1080p monitor tho lol

Coming from xbox

[paper summit]

Black is fine maybe some rgb

I would do it myself but you seem to have some magic when it comes to pcpartpicker

[fossil cedar]

thanks lol

[fossil cedar]

wifi?

[paper summit]

Yeah

wifi

[fossil cedar]

id probably do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CPbJVW

[paper summit]

Okay okay

thanks

[fossil cedar]

np

[tawdry lance]

Since 7000 series ryzen has integrated graphics, could I use one for a game server build or would it need a bit more graphics power?

[mossy venture]

Yes you could

[wary tundra]

I put the 1070 in my mom's build

She had a 780

[wary tundra]

Also I have no idea why my mom has a eatx motherboard

[little osprey]

There’s eight DIMM slots from what I can see

Can only assume it’s a older platform

[wary tundra]

Yea

I'm not entirely sure what board it is and I didn't check what cpu she has

[little osprey]

I’m gonna take a wild guess and say something like LGA1150/LGA1155

[strong raft]

Deserves a 4dimm kit to at least be quad channel. --- cpu-z is a ez program to run that can quickly say cpu info & such btw.

[lone flame]

@potent portal what were your thoughts on the 7700/7800 XT

[wary tundra]

If am to believe I put components on a fried board does that mean I cant use or should not put the components I used back on my main pc

as in the board I have is dead

and I put parts on it and it never started

so no power went to it

[frigid night]

If the board was fried before you put the parts on it.. then safe bet that the parts are fine to use in another PC.

[wary tundra]

okay! my ram seems to be working, the only reason I think it could be fried is because I plugged everything up and I tried to short it and it didnt turn on. I tested the other components on another pc so the motherboard has to be the issue.

maybe I just dont know how to short a board

[tawdry lance]

What build would you guys reccomend for a modded minecraft server for about 5 people?

[mossy venture]

Depends on the budget and how many/what mods

Also how big/small you want it to be

[manic cloak]

👁️👁️

Too good to be true

[mossy venture]

This is just something to throw out there, but would need more info to make a more specified recommendation, 13400f multi core is better than 7600, which means better for server hosting. You'd gain a decent bit of perf (10% or so) by going ddr5. Small storage doesn't really make sense with how similar they are in price https://pcpartpicker.com/list/crkpbL

[wary tundra]

I know they said you can use fsr 3 on all cards but if i have a 3080 is it possible for me to download their new hyperrx software? or does it work like fsr 2 where its in all the games I play and I can turn it on?

im confused on how that works

[mossy venture]

Ddr5 option, if you're not using ethernet would need separate wifi card or diff mobo https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3VNd6D

[wary tundra]

wait I found my answer im being silly

my bad

[manic cloak]

Don’t you just hate how people like leave you on read on fbm without replying at all?

[mossy venture]

Yes

It's annoying as hell

[manic cloak]

He responded

But sent like 10 messages which he could of explained in 3

He’s going to another state and wants to meet up at the city which borders MN/WI

otherwise he’s gonna take the listing down tomorrow and keep it

Seems like it was mined on too

3 issues, that’s an hour to and back just to not buy/testing that it’s trash, no clue if he’s gonna meet anywhere safe, and it’s such a tight time frame.

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[lyric thistle]

sounds like bro just isn't efficient with words

[manic cloak]

Fr, but look what the conditions are 😭

[lyric thistle]

nothing wrong with that

[lone flame]

what happens sunday...

[manic cloak]

he goes on vacation apparently and no more offer

He hasn’t even posted it for 12 hours 😭

[tawdry lance]

Budget would be less than 750 usd and would prefer for it to be smaller just so, I can stow it away i the living room just in case I want to use it as streaming server. On the mod side my friends and I like to generally play the bigger mod packs such as Allthemods.

[lone flame]

7800 XT is looking real good rn

[frigid night]

[mossy venture]

So I believe this all fits in this case, but I'm not sure stock cooler fits that case/is enough for 13400 under multi core loads https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZX4ccH

[lone flame]

whats your thoughts on 7700/7800 XT

[mossy venture]

And if pcpartpicker is right and the silver soul 110 fits in that case, you could up cpu to 13600k if you wanted

Or just do ss110 and keep the 13400

[frigid night]

Probably just remembered it last second to get a quick bit of cash before the vaca

[mossy venture]

Either would be fine

[manic cloak]

That’s what he’s saying, issue is idk if he can meet in this city next to his supposed location, I have family in a nursing home next to it so..

Also how promising we talking about for the 7800xt @lone flame

[mossy venture]

This mobo is also an option
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2PYmP6/asrock-z690m-itxax-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-z690m-itxax

And p200a is a good case, but its not exactly small, just short. Nr200 I think is on sale too

[lone flame]

i might try to get rid of my 6700 XT and upgrade to a 6900 or 7800

i hope the higher end 6000 drop in price

[mossy venture]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BF8YMXC?th=1&psc=1 $40 after $30 rebate

Insane price for that case

[manic cloak]

Like what’s the benches

[mossy venture]

Could do https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2F7QVW for nr200 with 13600k, can knock cpu back down to 13400 if you want it cheaper

[tawdry lance]

Thanks for all of the reccomendations

[obsidian wigeon]

I wouldn't get 7800xt imo at least not yet, especially at 500

[strong raft]

I've heard a couple times it's not much better than 6800XT, but I'd have to check.

[lone flame]

500 is so much lower than i thought they were gonna do

[obsidian wigeon]

It isn't much better yeah

[mossy venture]

How? 6950xt was consistently $600 for quite some time, and 6800xt $500

[obsidian wigeon]

And ^

[obsidian wigeon]

If I was being real 7900XTX being 1K was still steep personally

Shoulda been $800

But worry not, they've dropped to this range recently

[manic cloak]

If 7900xtx was at 800$

Nivida would cry

[obsidian wigeon]

It was 830 for every now and then

[mossy venture]

I think $900 woulda been reasonable with it dropping to $800-850 by now

[lone flame]

it will slowly get there

[obsidian wigeon]

It is already there

Just periodically

[manic cloak]

But more of a permanent

Kinda like always

[obsidian wigeon]

Permanent give it a year

[manic cloak]

Just like the 6800xt

[obsidian wigeon]

ez 4080 beating gpu for way less

If they launched at $800 the market would legit break lmao

But nah, it's amd

They just gotta undercut Nvidia a little and all is good (delusional thinking btw)

And what happens after that? Gradual price cuts

Classic Radeon

[lone flame]

price cuts are price cuts

[obsidian wigeon]

ofc

I just don't like that amd always fall into this trap

It's like they pretend to not be aware

Unaware that they should just be the budget option for better long term future of the company itself

Not short term, quick numbers go up gains

They've done this with Ryzen

[manic cloak]

I mean it’s quick n honest money

[obsidian wigeon]

It'll also improve brand image too

[lone flame]

yeah it is kind of shady

[obsidian wigeon]

Like Ryzen has become the "saint" to many

[lone flame]

they get easy money at launch

[manic cloak]

They’re still suffering from that “don’t buy amd cause drivers bad” though

[obsidian wigeon]

AMD could totally do it, but they wouldn't anyway

[manic cloak]

Ngl

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah but if the price is low enough compared to nvidia

[manic cloak]

I feel like nivida promoted the crap out of that

[obsidian wigeon]

It won't be an obstacle

[manic cloak]

So they would lose business

[lone flame]

feels like cpu pricing is nowhere near as controversial as gpu pricing

[obsidian wigeon]

AMD has very high margins already with the prices they ask for ngl

Less margin for a lot more sales isn't a bad thing

But then again we have AIBs, idk how much AIBs actually get in profit margin

So it's.. complicated to say the least

[mossy venture]

The best cpu for gaming is $384 right now, and a cpu that's fine with the best gpus at 1440p/4k is $220-300

[obsidian wigeon]

cpu pricing is pretty sane, hence no issues

[mossy venture]

Meanwhile gpus around those prices are complete underkill for those cpus

[obsidian wigeon]

It's always been like this

$300 would have always gotten you pretty formidable chip for the time it was released

[lone flame]

fair

[mossy venture]

Buy a $220 7600x and pair it with a $1500 4090, and if you're at 4k in a lot of games you wouldn't see a difference compared side to side with a 7800x3d

[lone flame]

also gpus are bigger and material cost is always a factor

[obsidian wigeon]

Material cost really isn't a concern, if we talk about heatsinks, shrouds and fans

Since they're produced in mass amounts

It's the logistics, marketing and all that complicated stuff that adds to the final cost of a product

R&D also

[manic cloak]

Anyways 6800 mined on for 250$ worth?

I’ll have to test it too

[lone flame]

Eh maybe

I saw a 6800 XT for 350 I was interested in but he randomly stopped responded to me and sold it

also for anyone smarter than me, is the 7700/7800 XT do well, how much, if any, of a price drop could we see on the 6900s

[empty pollen]

its funny to read this everywhere about nvidia, yet the numbers say otherwise which is kinda weird

everyone says that none is buying 40 cards, yet they seem to sell even better than the xtx

[manic cloak]

I was talking about how probably nividia promoted the "AMD drivers are bad and kill your cards" during the 5700xt prime

which still lingers around today

[empty pollen]

nah, nvidia didnt promoted that, amd made that to themselves

its a known fact that the 5700x drivers were pretty bad

[manic cloak]

oh ya

cards that kill themselves? funny

[manic cloak]

then again you have people who need the 4090 for whatever, 4080's over the 7900xtx for editing w/o spending 2 grand

cause if I could go all out for a computer, i'd get myself a 4090

not a 7900xtx

but if I wanted to save money for some of the best, 7900xtx

that's just for gaming too

[empty pollen]

exactly, thats the weird thing.... you have videos everywhere saying that the 4080 is not selling at all but then you saw at those market surveys and they show that the 4080 sell more than the xtx.... kinda funny

its like people love to raise the pitchforks but the other hand is buying nvidia anyway.... kinda weird how the people are

[manic cloak]

then again

i didn't know amd made graphics cards before nivida

it was mainly nivida cause alot of things I had like an iMac, friends laptop, etc had Nivida or intel graphics

made me a brand rider

[earnest olive]

this doesn't even make sense from a business perspective

nvidia stands to lose more from lawsuits or whatever if it's found out

considering the market dominance they already have

which was even stronger back then

[slow valve]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KVsTdD

I made this PC 2 years ago and the water pump died on me, I wanted to know if anyone has a good replacement? It can be air or water I prefer air cooling though. (Also the GPU is a 3070Ti Zotac with three fans on it)

[obsidian wigeon]

frozen notte for good aio

air, thermalright coolers

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MzMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se-argb

rgb option

[formal girder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gMR7h3 so ive been considering getting this as a build for myself to side-grade my current pc as it is being used in blender more and the 12gb of vram from 4070 will be more useful to me for it than gaming

storage not issue i already have that covered

[lament fulcrum]

TIL that the rgb profile for the asrock x570 steel legend is saved onto a chip in the m.2 heatsink/cover

[white wraith]

Does anyone know anything about the msi 3080 Blackhawk

Is it good

Seahawk*

[mossy venture]

Cooler is overpriced but other than that looks good

Thermalright silver soul 110 or 135 would be good

[mossy venture]

It's fine

Just depends on price

[white wraith]

Someone has proposed me this trade: my secondary pc: which has an I5 10 th , 32 gb ddr4 , 1650 super , water cooler , 7 rgb fans . 650 watt silver box

I'm trying to build a high-end pc and so far I have a i9 12900kf

So I was wondering if this trade was worth it

Idk because I literally can find nothing on this gpu

[mossy venture]

One sec, let me do some math

[white wraith]

I was gonna buy the 3080 ti but I saw there's only a 6 fps different between the ti and regular 3080

[mossy venture]

That seems like a really good trade on your end tbh

Are you in Egypt?

[white wraith]

No baltimore

I was going to go for the 4070 ti for this build so I listed my pc on Facebook market

And this dude offered me a sea hawk 3080

[mossy venture]

Alright so let's see, ima do a break down of the value of all the parts rq

Cpu- $80
Ram $30-40
Gpu- at most $100
Aio- depends on a few things, $30-60
Rgb fans also depends, if noctua, lian li, corsair or other expensive fans, $10-20 per, if cheap/random, few $ each
Case- $10-50 probably?
Psu-$25-$40

Those are mostly guesstimates

Also, if you bought the 12900kf new and can still return it I would

It loses to the 7600x in gaming and the 7600x is cheaper

[white wraith]

Family member gave it to me for 250

He upgrade to 13900m

13900k*

[mossy venture]

Ah, not the best price but alright

[white wraith]

Really

What would you say is a fair price

[mossy venture]

Well, it normally goes for $250-300

But assuming you're gaming, a 7600x new would be a better option

Since it has better single core performance and is $220

But tbh it's not a big deal

[white wraith]

Assuming I get the 12900k from him

What price should I ask

To make it worth it on my end

[mossy venture]

I'd say if you can get it for $220 that would be great, but he'd get more selling it on ebay or something like that

Tbh I'd just have him sell it used and you buy a 7600x, if you'd both want to

[white wraith]

The 12900kf why does it retail for more if the 7600x is better

?

[mossy venture]

It's last generation, and core counts. The 12900kf while it has more cores, has worse single core performance which is what's important for gaming often

13600kf beats the 12900kf in games 100% of the time

[white wraith]

Interesting I'll definitely suggest to him the 7600 x , but if I do get thr 3080 seahawk , i912900k , 32 gb ddr5 do you think it'll be a future proof high end setup.

[mossy venture]

Future proof is not a real thing, but yes

At 1440p you can run a 3080 with your 10th gen i5 lol

[plain grove]

Anyone know if a 03/09/2023 bios version will work with 13th gen?

[white wraith]

Does the 3080 sea hawk have any real advantages over a regular 3080

[mossy venture]

No, but its better than a few other models

Like the ventus 3x is terrible

I think the Seahawk is an average model, not great but not bad

[earnest olive]

this depends

[mossy venture]

Yes 100%

[earnest olive]

lol no

[mossy venture]

The 10400/f would definitely limit a 3080 depending on the game

[earnest olive]

10th gen i5 can mean i5-10400 on b460 with ddr4-2666

[mossy venture]

Ok fair

Didn't think about that

[earnest olive]

that's gonna bottleneck the 3080 pretty badly at 1440p in a lot of games

my 3600x with somewhat tuned ddr4-3800 was lightly bottlenecking my 3080 at 1440p in some games with dlss off

dlss on gained 0 fps compared to dlss off

and the bottleneck got a lot worse with RT on

3600x with somewhat tuned ddr4-3800 is a lot stronger than 10400 with crap ddr4-2666

[mossy venture]

Yeah I didn't think about it being locked on b460s, that's a very good point

[earnest olive]

now if it's a 5ghz 10600K with tuned ddr4-4200 then you're chilling

if it's an i5-10210u with single channel 8gb ddr4-2666 soldered and 3080 plugged into a 3.0 x4 egpu slot

[mossy venture]

Tbf they did just say 10th gen i5 and didn't specify either cpu or what speed ram so could be a 10600k and or a b560/z490/z590

Or it could be an h410 lol

[earnest olive]

yeah "10th gen i5" is a pretty wide performance range

the strongest 10th gen i5 should beat the weakest 10th gen i5 by more than 2x lol

[white wraith]

Does the sea hawk have improved thermals over other 3080s

[mossy venture]

Really? Did not know it was that big of a gap

[earnest olive]

could realistically be 4-5x if we count laptops with egpu lol

[earnest olive]

5.2ghz 10600K with excellent tuned 4400 16-16-16 b-die vs i5-10400 on stock cooler with single channel 2133 jedec

I'm sure that's above 2x gap in gaming lol

[mossy venture]

Oh thought you meant at stock lol, that makes more sense

Was wondering what insane model I was forgetting about lmao

[earnest olive]

and then if you compare it to a throttling HP laptop 10210u with similarly doomed ram and 3.0 x4

whew

just had a cursed realization

the 10210U supports LPDDR3 and laptops with that combination exist

[mossy venture]

Gross

[white wraith]

Ddr3is crazy

That's a potato

[earnest olive]

10210U + 4GB LPDDR3 + 3080 via 3.0 x4 egpu

is this a bottleneck?

[mossy venture]

With a 728p display

[white wraith]

Does sea hawk have better thermals than other 3080s?

[formal girder]

That'd also depend on case and airflow config

[tawdry lance]

If I go for 13400 then would I need the better cooler?

[mossy venture]

For multi core you'd want better than stock, I'd go for silver soul 110 or 135 for it

Or ft120 if you want to spend the extra

[tawdry lance]

Does a modded minecraft server utilize multicore?

[mossy venture]

Yes

[leaden mauve]

ddr3 good

as fast as can be

ddr3L gang

[earnest olive]

ok but it's LPDDR3

[leaden mauve]

yes i know

similar enough

[covert vapor]

Those heat spreaders tho. Like 5 lbs of metal

[paper summit]

He put them on his oem bdie that won't do more than 3333

[olive cypress]

That's some crazy cooling right there

[honest anchor]

is 5600x and 4070 good enough?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

but get used 3080 or something similar of you really gotta get an nvidia card

otherwise 6800xt

[mossy venture]

5600/x often is not worth it rn

What country are you in and what is your total budget for the pc? And do you have any parts already?

[mossy venture]

Same with 4070

[honest anchor]

us looking to get 1300$ budget

[mossy venture]

Do you care about looks and do you need wifi?

Are you just gaming?

And is monitor/keyboard/mouse included in budget

[honest anchor]

no

gaming yes

[mossy venture]

Kk

6950xt competes with 3090/3090 ti/4070 ti

Wait that didn't have a mobo

Sorry one sec

This will need a separate wifi card, mobo doesn't come with one https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NLBNN6

And one sec, I'm gonna make a different option

This one comes with wifi, better cpu too https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tLxyfy

Could get an aftermarket cooler if you would like to, but stock will be fine on a 7600

Could also go for a used 3080/3090/6800xt/6900xt/6950xt

[honest anchor]

any white build?

[mossy venture]

Sure, one min

[cyan ravine]

Boop
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/djD6Xk

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gZm4Cd

Black gpu but otherwise everything is white

[mossy venture]

7600 probably won't like the 6400mhz ram

Also hah nerd my 6950xt is $10 cheaper

[cyan ravine]

Ur gpu not white doe

[mossy venture]

Phantom gaming isn't really either is it?

Got a bit of silver on the top

[cyan ravine]

It's white enough

Closer than total black

[mossy venture]

Fair enough

[honest anchor]

wow nice thank you so much

[cyan ravine]

Combine our lists together and you get boom

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gTfJVW

The best of both worlds

[lone flame]

Would a 6950 XT bottle neck a R5 7600

And also work off of a 750Wpsu

[obsidian wigeon]

nope, if anything the cpu is the bottleneck if you're running 1080p

the psu will be able to handle it

[mossy venture]

No

[mossy venture]

If you're buying a 6950xt for 1080p I've got some problems with you

[lone flame]

Is it a 1440p card or 4k

I’ll see how the market goes and ask for a nice monitor for Christmas maybe

I do not want to stay with this 6700 XT

[obsidian wigeon]

it's a 3090ti tier gpu

so it can easily do 4k too

1440p is good enough tho

[cyan ravine]

1440p or 4K but 1440p you'll have a bit better time

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt say easily do 4k, but it can do it

[cyan ravine]

Yeah easy not quite the best word

[sharp temple]

I laugh because my 3060xc from evga ran a bunch of games just fine at 4K

[lone flame]

I heard a lot of praise about evga about their GPUS, why’d they stop making them? Nvidia being nvidia?

[earnest olive]

evga gpus weren't really anything special

[fossil cedar]

They just had good customer support really

[earnest olive]

they were mostly praised for having better customer support

[fossil cedar]

Most of their revenue was gpus but only a tiny bit of profit was from gpus so it didn't make much financial sense for them

[earnest olive]

I'd even say their gpus were somewhat below average in terms of frequency of widespread issues

but not so bad that they were a bad choice

[earnest olive]

it's because they were the only partner that wasn't manufacturing their own cards

[fossil cedar]

They also had a few msrp models that where decent compared to other aibs msrp models

[fossil cedar]

Oh i never realised that

[earnest olive]

nvidia kept dropping profit margins for partners so the partners that manufactured their own cards could survive but it was getting harder and harder for evga since they had to pay their own partners for manufacturing so their margins were lower

also harder for the partners to just leave bc they have tooling for gpu manufacturing and everything

[fossil cedar]

Right

[earnest olive]

they had issues with exploding vrms on pascal ftw cards and the new world situation

on average their cards were fine just saying they had a few widespread issues

[cyan ravine]

Context being new-ish games not anything legacy. Cos if you mean it like that my 1080 ran tons of games in 4k

[sharp temple]

I ran cyberpunk at 4k medium for a while

[cyan ravine]

Pfft

At what 20 fps

Cos my 3090 enjoyed a solid 54fps

[fossil cedar]

Oh yeah i forgot about those 💀

[earnest olive]

what's the point of 4k medium

why such high res just to run medium settings

does 1440p high not look better than 4k medium

[earnest olive]

me gaming at 27 fps at 1440p on the 4080

[sharp temple]

Because I had the ability to?

[earnest olive]

it just sounds like a strictly worse choice to me than 1440p high

[fossil cedar]

Do you even have a 4k monitor? If so why did you have that with a 3060

[earnest olive]

dropped settings also show most easily on higher res

[fossil cedar]

I'd rather 1440p medium and get playable fps lol

[cyan ravine]

I'd rather 1080p high and get decent clarity

[sharp temple]

Got a 4k monitor from my parents for B-Day

Bought 3060 before that

[earnest olive]

3060 is already below 1080p recommended spec for some new games coming out

that's probably more of a problem with the game than the 3060

but still, I'd keep it at 1080p with a 3060

[obsidian wigeon]

i almost had a heart attack when you said that

phew, not safi moment

[earnest olive]

there's one I saw recently recommending a 2080S

and I think starfield? had a 1070ti as minimum spec

1070ti not far behind 3060

then again, maybe the game leverages async compute?

[obsidian wigeon]

game has invisible walls

[earnest olive]

umm

4090 is minimum spec

[obsidian wigeon]

so bethesda lied on players being able to explore entire planets

they can only explore a few square miles of one at a time

[analog hearth]

Safi moment 💀

[obsidian wigeon]

have 3060? ancient relic, not working anymore

[earnest olive]

3060 still a nice enough 1080p card but calling it a modern 4k card is a bold claim lol

if you play some slightly older/less demanding games or drop settings yeah you can push 1440p/4k

[obsidian wigeon]

that i don't deny

[earnest olive]

dropping settings at 4k just seems like a strange concept to me though

[fossil cedar]

Call of duty be like

[sharp temple]

Well now I have a 4070ti

[sharp temple]

Never said it was a modern 4k card...

Just said that I used to play some games at 4k on it.

[little osprey]

4K on a 3060?

Kinda absurd for any game

[sharp temple]

It worked, I didn't care.

[earnest olive]

i mean.. you were laughing at the discussion about the 6950xt being a good 1440p card because the 3060 is supposedly a 4k card

so do you think the 6950xt is an 8k card or what?

what are you trying to add to the discussion

[sharp temple]

Nothing, just making a comment.

[sharp temple]

Wasn't saying or thinking that either.

[white wraith]

Which is better ? The msi 3080 sea hawk or a gigabyte RTX 3080 eagle OC 10gb

[fossil cedar]

technically the sea hawk but you shouldnt be buying either tbh unless theyre really cheap used

[white wraith]

Really the sea hawks better ?

Damn

How does gigabyte RTX 3080 eagle OC 10gb

Conpare to the sea hawk

Is it significantly worse

[south cliff]

Quick question I got a free 3ds and I don’t know what type charger goes to it sorry that this is in build chat

[manic cloak]

Uh

It should be micro usb or

A custom Nintendo

[covert vapor]

Posted a response in general, it is a proprietary version of Mini USB

[south cliff]

https://www.acehardware.com/departments/lighting-and-electrical/home-electronics/computer-cables/3551728?store=05547&gbraid=0AAAAADtqLJFOV-T-QwTU-MShy5-gN6rxv&gclid=Cj0KCQjwi7GnBhDXARIsAFLvH4k86mk3TuMogC9Gs2S4aH75dsZSPPqpFKKIf7VLkSTxMFCu8k3Z6ZIaAvjhEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Would this work

[covert vapor]

You could just get a wall charger if you just need to charge it.

https://www.amazon.com/Tomee-Adapter-New-2DS-3DS-Nintendo/dp/B008MIGV1E/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=3ds+charger&qid=1693256199&sr=8-3

[south cliff]

Well I can go get the one I sent today instead of having to wait

It’s a local ace hardware

Just gotta know if it will work with it

[covert vapor]

The problem is that the various versions of the DS and 3DS use a modified version of Mini USB, standard Mini USB iirc doesn't work and that cable is standard

[south cliff]

Do you want me to send pic of it?

[covert vapor]

Of what? The 3DS? Don't need one, I have a 3DS myself

[south cliff]

It might be a 3ds xl

Not to sure

It has shulks logo on it

[covert vapor]

Nintendo used the same type of charging port for the entire line, proprietary mini USB

[south cliff]

Alright

I used to have a red 3ds xl I got for Christmas song with Pokémon moon but forgot where the charger was because I sold it for like 75 dollars

[fossil cedar]

Barely anything sea hawk has an aio so it'll run a little cooler and theoretically run a tinsy bit better

[ornate condor]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-3×120mm-Cooling-1850RPM-Compatible/dp/B0BWD9JS9Y/

is this aio decent ?

[mossy venture]

We do not know much about it

Notte 360 similar price

And we know that's good

[ornate condor]

So it's worth to give it a shot

[mossy venture]

That is not what I was saying but ok 👍

[burnt stratus]

just get ls720

its only like 100 bucks rn

I mean the notte 360 actually doesnt look half bad

[mossy venture]

Dude

Idk how many times we gonna have this conversation

The ls720 is good, yes

The frozen notte is within a few degrees, and otherwise just as good as some of the best aios.

If you're building "the best of the best", sure go ls720 or lf2 etc

But otherwise the notte at over $30 cheaper makes sense

[burnt stratus]

i know

the notte looks good

lol

[cyan ravine]

Yep just get Notte

Or Magic

LS720 would just be chasing a degree or two difference for some 30 more for sure, not worth it

[burnt stratus]

nah thats like the same as spending 10 bucks on slightly better thermal paste

really isnt gonna matter that much

[frigid night]

I'm just hearing of this. What is the Frozen Notte? An AIO?

[burnt stratus]

yeah i just heard of it too

its an aio

@frigid night

it looks decent

[frigid night]

Omg and it's WHITE!!!!!

[burnt stratus]

uhmm so is the ls720 🤓

[frigid night]

If only LF2 has made a white one.

[frigid night]

Yes, but this just means I'll be wasting more money on a white AIO

[burnt stratus]

wasting??

ls720 is goated

[frigid night]

I already have

[burnt stratus]

oh

[frigid night]

And a LF2

And a Galahad.

[burnt stratus]

galahad lol

i almost got it but

its kinda ugly

imo

[frigid night]

I like it tbh

[burnt stratus]

i think the pump looks a bit goofy

and the fans

but i heard it gets good performance

[frigid night]

Can always use different fans

[frigid night]

Yes.

[burnt stratus]

i wouldnt buy new fans just cuz i didnt like them

[frigid night]

Actually cools my 12600k a few degrees cooler than lf2

[burnt stratus]

nice

my 12700k is tamed by the ls720

[frigid night]

I buy a lot of fans all the time.

[burnt stratus]

my aio not so much

[burnt stratus]

i think i have 20 bucks in my bank account

[frigid night]

My 13700k does good with my Galahad too

[burnt stratus]

i wish i wouldve waited like 2 more months for the 13600k

[frigid night]

I almost had a 13600k

[burnt stratus]

its about the same price or atleast it was when it came out compared to my 12700k

and it gets slightly better performnace

[frigid night]

@cyan ravine

[cyan ravine]

[manic cloak]

[obsidian wigeon]

err

nah

missing screws lol

[manic cloak]

Can’t you buy those though

or atleast get brand new

[obsidian wigeon]

idk, this is aib card

[manic cloak]

Aib?

[obsidian wigeon]

not reference model

[manic cloak]

Ah

[obsidian wigeon]

all branded gpus are aib cards

[manic cloak]

Hmm

Microcenter, ace hardware, even Menards, Home Depot or a local tech shop may have the right screw?

[cyan ravine]

What the hell is that paint job

[mossy venture]

There's a 240 and 360

[manic cloak]

So horrible Ik

Seems like he TRIED taking off the fans and etc, stripped the screws and lost them, just taped the fans and spray painted or maybe brushed paint onto the card itself

[fossil cedar]

You might be able to find a screw somewhere same size but itd be hard to get the actual proper measurements because they often use different sizes in different areas

Oh god that paint job is jank

[manic cloak]

Dude it’s on the heatsink 😭

Idk if i should offer 350 even, 300?

[fossil cedar]

Idk what the 2nd hand market is like there

[manic cloak]

Average 3080 is 500$

[fossil cedar]

Ik it's not a good job at all

Really? Because I've heard 3090s going for like 500

[manic cloak]

Ya.. welcome to MN

[fossil cedar]

I'm gonna guess Montana?

I'm not from the US this is just from what I've heard

[manic cloak]

Nope

Minnesota

[fossil cedar]

Dam that was my first guess

But i second guessed

[manic cloak]

Holy this signal is so bad

Anyways

Did the image send?

[dusk garden]

Nice

[little osprey]

Is that DDR3 in #build-pics???

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[little osprey]

I legit think I have that same kit

It's worthless to me

Got a G-die kit instead

[burnt stratus]

Was just gonna say that lol

[dusk garden]

Uh

Ya

[manic cloak]

Sigh

[manic cloak]

Omg it won’t send

But basically 1000$ used 3070ti

Fe which makes no sense 💀

[mossy venture]

That's hilarious

Amd cpus are not trash, that hasn't been true for many years @heady vapor

[fossil cedar]

@heady vapor Whoever told you that, I'll have what their smoking, maybe back in the days before ryzen when you where building your pc

[mossy venture]

Between intel and amd brand is irrelevant, brand does not change your experience whatsoever

It is performance that matters

And the 7600 is not far behind the 13600k in gaming while being cheaper, and having a cheaper decent mobo with wifi

@heady vapor If you really want an Intel cpu give me a second

[fossil cedar]

actually its not even the case

[primal linden]

ooo

[heady vapor]

is labor day coming up

will new egg have actual deals

[mossy venture]

This is worse than the 13600k by about 10-15%
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DzWZRK

[burnt stratus]

Hell nah

[fossil cedar]

i think so yeah

[heady vapor]

i haven’t been in the pc building game in a while i’m so post on what’s considered a good deal or not

[burnt stratus]

I wouldn’t pay that for that gpuw

[mossy venture]

But also almost half the price of a 13600k

[heady vapor]

lost

[burnt stratus]

My 3070 was 350

A 3070 ti would be maybe 400 or 430

And I would pay less for FE lol

[heady vapor]

what’s the best gpus out rn

[burnt stratus]

4090

7900xtx

[heady vapor]

and the best amd and intel cpus out rn

[mossy venture]

4090 4080 and 7900xtx

[heady vapor]

bet

[burnt stratus]

7800x3d, 13900k

[mossy venture]

7800x3d is the best gaming cpu