building-and-recc-chat

[lone flame]

the fans are running fine

[frigid night]

Ok, download GPUz

[lone flame]

I hate to sound dumb again but idk what you mean

[frigid night]

Google search GPUz and download it.

[lone flame]

what website should i download it from

or does it not matter

@frigid night

[little osprey]

Did you install drivers?

[frigid night]

That works too. Download the latest GPU drivers. Go to install them. When you get an option for fresh install, make sure you check the box

[lone flame]

it says theres none available to update

[frigid night]

Download them from the AMD website

[little osprey]

Update manually

[frigid night]

I never install drivers through device manager.

[lone flame]

these? https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-6000-series/amd-radeon-6700-series/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt

[lone flame]

bro idk what I am doing I'm sorry :/

[frigid night]

You're good. I'm just letting you know what I do.

[frigid night]

Yes, make sure you download the right ones for which windows you have.

[lone flame]

and after I download it?

[frigid night]

Run it.

[lone flame]

fair enough.

[frigid night]

Then follow this

If you are unsure, takes screenshots and post them and we'll walk you through it.

Gotta glove up. If I don't respond right away, I apologize

[lone flame]

now we wait

@obsidian wigeon I don't wanna keep bugging neo who I am assume is working

i assume you can help

i imagine thats the correct thing to install

[obsidian wigeon]

Yes

Proceed with that

I did that with my laptop's radeon igpu too

[lone flame]

do I need to install this

[frigid night]

You want to do the factory reset option as well

[lone flame]

uh

should i

[frigid night]

Yes.

It'll delete all remnants of the previous GPU drivers so you start with fresh new GPU drivers

If you don't do that, chances are you could still have the current issue.

[lone flame]

its greyed out it wont let me check it

[frigid night]

I wonder if you just had generic GPU drivers then.

Ok then just follow through with installing the GPU drivers

[lone flame]

i never did anything when i first installed everything

[lone flame]

im assuming thats all fine

[frigid night]

Yep

[lone flame]

installing

[frosty surge]

Im building a new pc but im reusing my old 1tb ssd do I still got to download ddu

[frigid night]

You'll want to reinstall windows completely so no need to use DDU

Especially if you are changing motherboards and CPU.

[frosty surge]

im changing everything

except storage

[frosty surge]

do I need to get a flash drive for windows

[frigid night]

Yes. One that is at least 8gb. I'd opt for 16gb

[frosty surge]

how do i wipe my ssd clean

[frigid night]

You just need to reinstall windows. Follow the process outlined in our FAQ guide and you'll be set. https://discord.com/channels/500085440221806603/1024747840897036288

[frosty surge]

How do I delete it tho

like clean uninstall it

my old driver and intel cpu

[frigid night]

When you start to install the windows, it'll ask you which storage drive you want to install it too. That's when you delete the partitions of your windows drive (this deletes everything on the drive.. like nothing left).

[lone flame]

ayyyyyyy

my gpu exists on task manager again

[frigid night]

Sweet. Looks like you just had generic drivers then. You mentioned that you haven't done anything since putting the PC together so.. I HIGHLY recommend going to your mobo manufacture website and downloading chipset drivers.

[lone flame]

uhhhh

what is this

[frosty surge]

So I uninstall amd display drivers and intel cpu drivers and thats it

[lone flame]

oh nvm ill wait you are helping someone else sorry

[frosty surge]

leave amd user experience program

[frigid night]

No. You are wiping the drive completely clean. Drivers are installed within windows. You will be deleting windows itself. No need to uninstall any drivers as there won't be any to uninstall once windows is deleted.

[frigid night]

What's up?

[frosty surge]

Ok so I just unscrew the ssd and plug it into thje new one

[lone flame]

what is that page

[frigid night]

Yes. Then once you've completely built the PC and turn it on. Reinstall windows.

[frigid night]

Your AMD drivers. You can control how the GPU works. I'd suggest not messing with these settings atm

[frosty surge]

So I finish building the pc I screwed in the ssd before I turn it on I put in the flash drive then thats it

[frigid night]

There is more to it than that. Build your new PC then come back so we can help you in real time.

[frosty surge]

My brother wants to build it I just wanna tell him what to do

[quasi yew]

I’m having an SSD problem too…

Whenever I got to install windows, it says I have no storage

my ssd also has a red light on it

[heavy atlas]

ok so i’m building my pc rn and i don’t know where my psu goes and what plugs into what can someone help me out?

[little osprey]

Rear of the case

Switch thing will be facing the outside

There will be four screws assuming it’s an ATX PSU

[heavy atlas]

i gotta rm750

[little osprey]

YK what

One sec

[heavy atlas]

ok

[little osprey]

@heavy atlas https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_NPF_4Kvc4

[heavy atlas]

thank s

[weak flint]

also @heavy atlas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3dggnkaEs8

[heavy atlas]

do i plug the pcie cables in?

[little osprey]

Only plug in what you need

If you’re using a GPU then yes

[heavy atlas]

oh ok

one more thing what is the SATA/PATA?

[little osprey]

Just used for HDD’s, 2.5in SSD’s, and other junk like fan controllers and such

[heavy atlas]

so i need to plug it in?

[obsidian wigeon]

If you have anything that takes sata, you do

Otherwise no

[velvet hatch]

working on a £900 gaming pc plus monitor, appreciate if anyone can give me any tips to improve it :)
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/xD3LVw

[burnt spruce]

Do I need to buy gpu holder support if my gpu is gigabyte 6750xt oc 3fans ?

[obsidian wigeon]

Nope

That won't have any issues

[heavy atlas]

i just got done building it but it’s not turning on

[obsidian wigeon]

Is there any debug leds on?

[heavy atlas]

what’s that?

[obsidian wigeon]

And how is it not turning on

Well they're the small lights usually placed on the right side of the board

About top right

[heavy atlas]

that’s the top right

that’s the whole thing

[obsidian wigeon]

So none are on then

[obsidian wigeon]

Uh

You also forgot the io shield

[heavy atlas]

what’s the io shield?

oh i got the io shield but i didn’t put it on yet

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah you have to put it on, but that's not important right now

Try checking if you have connected case front panel cables to f_panel header

Does it not respond to the power button at all?

[heavy atlas]

no

[obsidian wigeon]

You have some cables unplugged then

Look for the board's manual, and case's if there's any

[heavy atlas]

that’s the only cord i got left

[obsidian wigeon]

Any from the case?

The case should have front panel cables and power switch cables

[heavy atlas]

like in the back?

[obsidian wigeon]

Check anywhere on the case

It always routes from where the power switch is placed on the case

Refer to the manual, page 6 for how to connect them once you've found the cables

[heavy atlas]

i found 2

[obsidian wigeon]

What do they say?

The cables

[heavy atlas]

they say nothing

[obsidian wigeon]

You want to find these

[heavy atlas]

where do i plug em in at?

jusb1?

no nvm

[heavy atlas]

i still can’t find the cords for it

[ripe wedge]

so youre trying to find the front panel cables?

[heavy atlas]

yea

[ripe wedge]

they will be small thin cables which plug into the fpanel on the bottom right of your motherboard

they will be coming down from the case button area

unimportant but you forgot to put the IO shield for the motherboard in before installing the motherboard

[ripe wedge]

that is a female fan connector

[heavy atlas]

that and the one in the back is the only ones i can find

[ripe wedge]

this is what they will look like

this is what youre looking for

[heavy atlas]

i only fount the power sw

[ripe wedge]

thats good

likely your case doesnt support the others

[ripe wedge]

looks like your motherboard is the B550 A-Pro right?

[heavy atlas]

yea

[ripe wedge]

plug that power sw into the JFP1 connector on the bottom left of the motherboard matching it like this image

[heavy atlas]

ok

done

[ripe wedge]

I think that is the correct area but it is hard to make out

nevermind it appears to be bottom right

[heavy atlas]

yea that’s the one i got the ps connected to

[ripe wedge]

ah okay

have you done a check to make sure all connectors are connected well?

cpu, mobo, gpu etc

if that all is good then youre good to flip the psu power switch and then hit the power button

based on your previous image you sent here it appears to be good

[heavy atlas]

IT TURNED ON!!!!

[ripe wedge]

awesome 🙂

[heavy atlas]

this is the first time me seeing a pc

thank y’all so muchhh!!

[ripe wedge]

Youre welcome!

I would recommend getting another fan to put in that case though

it will get pretty hot in there so to have an exhaust fan on the back it will help tremendously

[heavy atlas]

to put in the back?

[ripe wedge]

guessing asrock 6800xt?

right here

[heavy atlas]

yea

idk how to put the io sheild in tho

do i just force it in there ?

[ripe wedge]

no no

you have to remove the motherboard to put it in

[graceful saffron]

you could unscrew motherboard and pull it back couple inches to get it in btw

[ripe wedge]

dont worry about it right now. but it is something to consider doing at some point

[graceful saffron]

no need to unplug everything

[cyan ravine]

You'll possibly damage the motherboard then some if you force it in there

[heavy atlas]

ok i’ll unscrew in and put it in rq

[cyan ravine]

Wouldn't be the first time we've seen it happen here

Lol

[ripe wedge]

the rounded edge side goes inside towards the outside of the case

if that makes sense

[heavy atlas]

yea ik what your sayin

[burnt spruce]

Anyone know whats better between the 2 Acer VG272U 27" WQHD 170Hz IPS Gaming Monitor
and Gigabyte GP-M27Q-P-AP?

[fossil cedar]

M27q afaik, but usually it's not priced the best compared to other options, what country are you in?

[burnt spruce]

I'm from Philippines

The acer is 240 and the gigabyte is 340 in my place

[burnt spruce]

So basically better buy the M27q?

[fossil cedar]

Ah i see, idk there might be better options, and the acer might be close in comparison, I'd check out some reviews, rtings.com, hardware unboxed, monitors unboxed are great resources for monitors, toms hardware might do monitors too i cannot remember,there's a couple other smaller review sites as well I can't think the name of

[burnt spruce]

Thank you. Maybe the m27q since I watched few couples of review but just asking since people recommends better .

[mossy venture]

M27q is definitely better, just a matter of if the $100 is worth it

[obsidian wigeon]

Personally if the acer is not too comparatively inferior, I would go for it as it saves me money

[graceful saffron]

the acer is better iirc if you ignore refresh rate

vg271 is trash but 272u is good

m27q has worse blacks and both have bad hdr

[heavy atlas]

ok my pc turns on and all but when i put the hdmi cord into my tv nothing happens

[burnt spruce]

So get the acer or m27q?

[graceful saffron]

Whatever is cheapest

[graceful saffron]

Where are you plugging in the hdmi

[burnt spruce]

Okay thanks

[heavy atlas]

the gpu

[burnt spruce]

Thank you alsooo

Whats better Gigabyte M27Q or Asus Tuf VG27AQ 27?

[fossil cedar]

Depends on the price diff

[mossy venture]

seconded

[burnt spruce]

Almost the same difference is 10$

[fossil cedar]

Then m27q

Check g27q pricing btw it's basically an m27q but usually a lot cheaper

[burnt spruce]

284usd the g27q and 323usd m27q. Difference is refresh rate only ?

[fossil cedar]

Basically, also m27q has a KVM but that's pretty irrelevant to most

I'd get the g27q then

[mossy venture]

seconded

[burnt spruce]

Refresh rate doesnt matter much?

[burnt spruce]

Okay thank you so much . I appreciate it

[mossy venture]

144hz isn't that far off 170

most peoples eyes can't see the difference between the two

[fossil cedar]

No problem

[earnest olive]

me being a high level esports player but not being able to tell between 90 and 240

[weak flint]

a 144hz is a good upgrade but like most people i know cant notice 240vs140

[burnt spruce]

Thanks everyone I appreciate it

[pseudo pollen]

Did I choose the wrong parts for this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bZ9kGL

I'm just wondering if I should have gone intel

[potent portal]

Could have gotten better parts for the price but it's not bad

[pseudo pollen]

Like what?

The ssd isn't the best, but I got it on sale on prime day, not sure for how much but it was cheaper.

[potent portal]

Skip the cooler and get this ram https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GkJgXL/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-ttced432g3600hc18jdc01

[pseudo pollen]

Ram was also on sale

[potent portal]

Double capacity and faster

[pseudo pollen]

I already got the PC, and the person using the PC is going to play Roblox and minecraft

They needed a reliable PC to use for the next few years

[potent portal]

Yeah I'm just saying that was an option since you asked

[pseudo pollen]

To be fair, it's more capacity, but also more expensive

[potent portal]

Right which is why you would skip the cooler and just use the one that comes with the cpu

You'd save money and get about 10% more performance out of the CPU

[mossy venture]

pretty decent

there are some things I'd change personally https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9g8fsL

but it's far from the worst I've seen

[pseudo pollen]

Honestly fair enough, but what's done is done. I just need to know for future reference

[pseudo pollen]

This

@mossy venture

[mossy venture]

I know, I was just making you a list to compare

[pseudo pollen]

Alright

[potent portal]

It's fairly likely you could overclock the memory to 3600 at least, that way you'd still get that performance boost from a faster infinity fabric

[pseudo pollen]

Does it really make that much of a difference?

[potent portal]

The infinity fabric is how the cores talk to each other

The faster they can talk, the better it is at multi tasking and multi core tasks, like many games since they can use 4 threads pretty often these days

[pseudo pollen]

Remember, it's minecraft

A game that doesn't use multi cores

[potent portal]

Which does use at least 2 threads

One main thread sure but it does use a secondary

[pseudo pollen]

Honestly there's only so much the cpu can do in Minecraft

My pc, with the right mods, can get well over 1500 fps

[potent portal]

You'd get less hitching when it changes the active core then, better 1% low fps

[pseudo pollen]

The 1% lows are going to be in the hundreds, so it doesn't really matter on a 60hz screen

[potent portal]

Ah that was some missing context

But it will be noticeable still

[pseudo pollen]

I'm guessing it's not gonna be a problem

[potent portal]

Probably not serious but could be avoided is all

[pseudo pollen]

The person is upgrading from a i7 4770/GTX 650 ti, and that was fine for them. The only reason they're upgrading is their PC is unreliable and crashes all the time.

[pseudo pollen]

Alright, thanks for the advice, I appreciate it

[mossy lion]

Which ram should I use then?

[mossy venture]

what are the two kits

[heavy atlas]

what’s i this screen?

[jagged ember]

bios

it is a good sign of life

also lets you do many things

[obsidian wigeon]

Pc workie

Everything fine

Just no windows installed

[livid shadow]

the 3090 shipped peeoples

and uh

7.5kg has to be with a box and extra packing material

like

it has to be

the zotac can't be that heavy

[obsidian wigeon]

that gotta be some hefty packaging

[livid shadow]

I mean it looks like a hefty GPU too

[obsidian wigeon]

the gpu at least weighs like a chunk of that whole package

so probably not too crazy

[cyan ravine]

wth 7.5kg

I uh, don't think it's that heavy

💀

[vague oracle]

Nah it definitely is, whatchu mean?

[livid shadow]

Yeah but how heacvy would that box and packadging material have to be to do that much weight

[cyan ravine]

I would expect that 3090 to weigh like, 2kg

that's uh

quite a lot less than 7

💀

[livid shadow]

I too know that two is less than seven and the card is probably around two

but like

where tf did the 7 come from

[vague oracle]

Amazon being amazon

[livid shadow]

Oh no

that is DHL through Allegro

[cyan ravine]

bonus rocks

[livid shadow]

extra silicon

or the polish femboy packing it just overkilled on packing super hard

[manic cloak]

could anyone help me find this monitor? it’s 125$ on fbm, guy said no dead pixels or scratches at 1440p which is weird..

also 165hz, yet it says 120 there..

looks like this for reference

Also I can’t tell if this is a VA or an IPS

[languid nimbus]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Gaming-VG27AQ-G-SYNC-Monitor/dp/B07WQ4FXY9 maybe this

[manic cloak]

that's the AQ

idk if it's similar or the same to just A

ya the vg27a is a way older model to the AQ

dunno if anyone could find specs and compare the two?

[strong raft]

120hz on screenshot mainly because they used hdmi. It's a pretty good monitor (for that price maybe)

[manic cloak]

but overall I should buy it for 125$?

guy says it’s in perfect condition, don’t know why he’d sell it for this much though.

Also G-Sync still works with amd cards right?

[strong raft]

Yea, the monitor is freesync compatible. Few monitors are only Gsync also. I'll say worth a look. Full $50 lower than my special deal x27q was.

[manic cloak]

wasn’t yours bought new though? 😭

[strong raft]

Yea, but $50 is $50. Dust is only dust.

[manic cloak]

true.

also I just realized it’s an AQ model

above the “HDR off” it says so.

I could double check with the guy, ask him to take a picture of the model # on the back

[burnt spruce]

is it better if gonna go triple monitor all same size ?

[manic cloak]

you could for convenience, but if the smaller monitor can be raised and align with the bigger one, then you should be fine

plus there’s a setting inside the pc where you can fix the alignment.

[mossy lion]

Check this out on @Newegg:OLOy OWL 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model ND4U1632161DJ0DA https://www.newegg.com/oloy-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821287?Item=N82E16820821287&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-821-287-_-07172023 this in both a 16x2 and a 8x2

[mossy venture]

both 3200mhz?

[mossy lion]

Also this is what I am trying to build Shared List https://newegg.io/b65cd1cb

[mossy venture]

I would not buy most of that

[mossy lion]

Yes

[mossy venture]

the 2x16 is what you should use

[mossy lion]

Umm I already did I am just missing the power supply and the motherboard and windows but everything else I already bought

[mossy venture]

can you cancel anything?

or is it all there

[mossy lion]

So what do I do with the 8x2

[mossy venture]

windows you shouldn't buy btw

sell it

[mossy lion]

I have it all all I have been by pieces of this build every month

[mossy lion]

Then what should I use instead

[mossy venture]

windows, just not by spending $100 on it

[mossy lion]

Oh so you mean buy it somewhere cheaper then

[mossy venture]

you can get keys for $10 online, or just leave it unactivated

or if you have a windows device previously, you can just use that account

and it'll activate windows

[mossy lion]

Ok I'll do that then

So my build any tips ok how to improve if I need to buy new parts I'll do I want to do it right the first time and not miss on it

[mossy venture]

no it all works, it's just not well priced

you can do a 7900xtx 7600 build for the same price

[mossy lion]

Well in all honesty I always thought it was overpriced for this build, but this my time trying to pay parts for a build so I have no knowledge whatsoever. I used new egg program to help me with the build, but then I changed the parts it recommend to parts that look cool to me...

[mossy venture]

pcpartpicker.com is a better choice

it compares prices from different sites as well and gives you the lowest prices

the 5900x is worset han the 7600 in gaming, and costs more

and just most of those parts are either not great choices or are way overpriced for what they are

[weary galleon]

Thoughts?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T8HdjZ

[mossy lion]

Well thank you I will for sure use that site going forward. Now I kind of wish i ask here first about my build before buying the parts. But oh well live and learn. However I was planning to upgrade this build going forward

Actually I have another build in mind that I was planning ok buying parts for. Can you take a look and provide feedback?

[mossy venture]

yeah sure

[frigid night]

Yes and No. Same size/pixel density/refresh rate (bonus if all same model) you'll have the best experience as everything will be same across all 3 monitors. When you start mixing sizes/density/refresh rates, you start getting minor bugs as well as the annoying mouse transitions between the monitors. Colors/brightness will look different between the monitors as well.

That said, I have 4 different monitors, each different in all 3 ways. The small little quirks aren't to bad, but if I could go back to when I ordered them.. I'd have ordered all same monitors.

Since you are wanting a 3 monitor setup, you might look into a good large ultrawide.

[manic cloak]

white corsair 750 fully modular same price

[mossy lion]

Thank you so this build I plan to make for a younger sibling of mine so has been wanting a pc for awhile. I have bought nothing for this except for the case because I already owned it before I thought of this build Shared List https://newegg.io/2bda4fa

[manic cloak]

if you’re spending 1000$ you might aswell buy a 6750xt build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2yW2Kp @mossy lion

[frigid night]

Should be able to fit a 6800xt for $1000

[manic cloak]

that’s if I do a 5600

[mossy venture]

Yeah alright give me a min

[mossy venture]

With the case you have https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8CwGmr

Could downgrade gpu if you either want cheaper or if it's overkill for your use case

6650xt, 6700, 6750xt are good alternatives

Whatever the cheapest model is is fine

[manic cloak]

nvm disregard, read it wrong lol

[mossy lion]

Thank you i'll take your advice and go with the build you gave me thank you 😁

[mossy venture]

Happy to help my dude

If you want an aftermarket cooler, 214xt is $20 and rgb

Or pa120 se, ft120, and whatever other dual tower thermalright coolers are $30-45 and rival 240mm aios

[mossy lion]

Ok I'll take a look thank you 😁

Another how do I mark a reply as a favorite or save so I can refer back to the link you sent me?

[frigid night]

open the link in your browser and then bookmark it.

[mossy lion]

True I didn't think of that thank you 😁

[manic cloak]

So uhm

L or W?

[fleet heron]

W

[runic spruce]

Meh imo

The cooler on it prob isn’t the best one

[cyan ravine]

if that's the Dell oem one that cooler is actually hilariously good for how simple it is

[vague oracle]

waterblock it

[lone flame]

@frigid night @obsidian wigeon my gpu is doing that thing again

my screen randomly goes black, i have to power off, turn on again, and my gpu just doesn't exist according to my task manager

bro what

[manic cloak]

he sold it to someone else 😭

[manic cloak]

what gpu and model

cause I have that SAME exact issue my man

[lone flame]

asrock 6700 xt

[manic cloak]

oh boy

it’s a amd driver issue then

do this

[lone flame]

i figured

i reseated and updated my drivers

like saturday night

[manic cloak]

@lone flame Device Manager, find your gpu, and click disable

[lone flame]

i was having the same issue

[manic cloak]

then reenable

it should fix

but thing is, it’s not a perm fix.

it’s like a temp fix

don’t sleep/let your computer turn off by itself, always shut down

otherwise you’ll device manager, gpu, disable and reenable.

but @lone flame you reseated and ddu’d?

[lone flame]

i reseated it saturday and updated/downloaded drivers, idk what ddu is

[frigid night]

Disable automatic updates in windows update settings.

Also. Reinstall the drivers you downloaded and installed yesterday. This time choose that factory reset option that was previously grayed out. This will fix that issue.

[earnest olive]

just windows being a bad OS

arch user btw

if you have a pro edition of windows open gpedit and disable windows update driver updates from there

[lone flame]

still greyed out

i just tried a drivers only install

whatever this is, is also saying it has a driver issue

[frigid night]

Do you have more than 1 monitor?

Also, are you plugging monitor into GPU or motherboard?

[lone flame]

no just one (which isnt a monitor its technically a smart tv)

[lone flame]

gpu

[earnest olive]

just means your igpu drivers aren't installed

you can disable the igpu in bios or install the drivers for it if you want to use it

[lone flame]

what does it do

and is that causing my current gpu issue

[earnest olive]

no

we already told you how to fix that

[lone flame]

i can't

neo is saying to do the factory reset option

which is still

greyed out

[earnest olive]

igpu can be useful for running more monitors or for video encode

[earnest olive]

.

also

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[lone flame]

still greyed out

[earnest olive]

bruh I literally just linked you the ddu guide

use that instead of factory reset

[obsidian wigeon]

Doesn't radeon hate ddu tho?

[earnest olive]

no?

who told you that

I had to use it countless times on my 5700xts

nothing wrong with it

[obsidian wigeon]

Hm okay

I heard it messes with some driver files that causes everything to break until you reinstall windows

[frigid night]

AMD dislikes DDU, but it still works

Factory reset is the better option in most cases

[earnest olive]

worked perfect for my r5 240, 2 rx 570s and 3 5700xts

[frigid night]

Rawr + amnermime zone devs.

[earnest olive]

one of my rx 570s managed to crash so hard that it didn't recognize the driver anymore but couldn't factory reset it

ddu was the only option

[earnest olive]

well first I'm hearing of this

[frigid night]

Yeah there are some files that DDU just won't get rid of completely right that the factory reset does.

It's odd.

[earnest olive]

I feel like AMD needs to take some kind of action against microsoft

the fact that windows update messes with radeon cards but not nvidia cards and this has been known for years is sus

[potent portal]

Running on the assumption that factory reset is functioning to start with

[frigid night]

Yes

[earnest olive]

damn now I wanna run ddu on my r5 240 until windows breaks

[manic cloak]

if i’m correct it’s 6600xt < 3060 8/12gb < 6650xt < 3060 ti 8 gb < 6700xt < 3070 < 6750xt < 3070 ti < 3080 < 6800xt < 3080ti < 6950xt < 3090 + ti

[frigid night]

3090+ ti > 4060

[manic cloak]

you mean 3090 + ti < 5090?

[flint sapphire]

3090 +tie >4060

[manic cloak]

@earnest olive @obsidian wigeon So that issue with the drivers that Gavin was having, I have the same issue ever since April. I’ve disabled automatic windows updates, followed the pa-300 instructors, DDU/AMD utility my drivers 4 times, and reinstalled windows but have the same issue.

I also have Windows 10 Pro (in 11 Pro though)

6650xt Msi Mech btw

[obsidian wigeon]

Might be the driver itself that's causing issues

Try installing older versions I think

[manic cloak]

tried that back in April, i’d also like to say if you contact AMD they refer you to RMA and pay shipping to whatever company you got it from 😭

this issue only started after their 3/23/23 update though

for me atleast

heck i’ll ddu to an old ver rn

[lone flame]

i dont understand enough to fix it

[manic cloak]

I went to 5/24 and well, nothings happening.

I just wait ;-;

[manic cloak]

neither do I

it’s either a windows or amd issue

[lone flame]

i just did the disable and reenable

[manic cloak]

we can cross out a “hardware” issue

[lone flame]

ill see how long that lasts

[manic cloak]

it’ll last you a week, or until your computer falls asleep/you put it to sleep

[lone flame]

also whats the reason nvidia cards do so much better with ray-tracing compared to radeon cards

[lone flame]

i sleep my pc quite a bit

mainly if i leave to go do smth for like 15-20 mins

[manic cloak]

sometimes it may disable the driver

sometimes it doesn’t

but everytime I do unless i’m running a game in the background, it doesn’t happen

[little osprey]

didn't you forgot some commas

I don't get a thing of that

[manic cloak]

basically it goes left to right

[potent portal]

812GB?

[manic cloak]

oh shoot

wait

[little osprey]

6950xt being worse than the 6600xt doesn't make sense to me

or less than

either that or you meanr the other simbol

[manic cloak]

fixed

[potent portal]

6950 XT is also better than the 3090 and ties the 3090 ti

[little osprey]

oh there ya go

lmao

[manic cloak]

man if only there was only a chart

[little osprey]

I was so confused for a moment

[potent portal]

(But not in ray tracing)

[manic cloak]

I hate the damn symbols ><

[potent portal]

ikr if only there was one pinned in #graphics-cards

[little osprey]

just think as

[manic cloak]

pacman?

[manic cloak]

;-;

[little osprey]

lesser size between the lines < greater size between the lines

[potent portal]

tbf the pinned list is several months old and doesn't account for AMD improving their drivers

[little osprey]

I'm quite scared of going full amd

cuz sometimes I just decide to use linux

[manic cloak]

I love amd but

1. i’m an intel D rider

[potent portal]

AMD loves linux tho

[little osprey]

oh what about the driver problem"?

[potent portal]

Open source drivers

[manic cloak]

2. I think they need better customer service

[little osprey]

is it fixed now?

[manic cloak]

uhh their MAJOR driver issues are fixed

[potent portal]

What driver problem

[little osprey]

you never heard of razer customer service

[potent portal]

They haven't had driver issues in a few years now

[little osprey]

[manic cloak]

basically the ones that stopped people from buying amd

those are long fixed

[potent portal]

Yeah those were resolved long ago

[little osprey]

oh then bing chilling

damn

my shoulders and arms

[manic cloak]

you might be an unlucky one (just like me and gavin)

[little osprey]

(triceps more specifically)

are dying

[manic cloak]

where windows and amd drivers don’t wanna work together

and become a divorce couple

[little osprey]

I rather not update them

[potent portal]

Those were issues like 5700 XT killing itself accidentally, and those kinds of things were fixed around the time 6000 launched

[little osprey]

[manic cloak]

but Gavin’s the only person who I know who has the same exact problem as me

otherwise

i don’t know anybody else

[little osprey]

hmmm and for a 7800x3d what gpu would you use from amd

since amd seems to be around the same but less expensive

[potent portal]

7900 XTX

4080 but better

And cheaper

[little osprey]

isn't there a less expensive one?

[manic cloak]

isn’t the 7900xtx cheaper than the 4080?

[little osprey]

I was looking to spend around 2k max

[potent portal]

What's the budget

[little osprey]

in my upgrade alone

[little osprey]

just "upgrade" so 2k

mbd, cpu, ram, cooler, gpu

oh and case

[manic cloak]

what are you upgrading-

[potent portal]

You can easily fit a 7900 XTX into a 2k build

[little osprey]

but the case I'm going for a lian li o11 white

[manic cloak]

[little osprey]

lemme check in my country prices

[manic cloak]

🚪

[little osprey]

cuz yk... things in portugal get twice as expensive

[potent portal]

Which country, so I can search local prices

[little osprey]

portugal

[potent portal]

Ah portuga;l

[little osprey]

but don't worry about it, don't need to spend your time

thanks

[potent portal]

And is that 2k euro

[little osprey]

yeah 2k euro

can't spend much cuz in need of a new car

damn polo is dying

• college

[potent portal]

Hmm yeah that does complicate it a little bit, probably a 6950 XT instead

[little osprey]

hmm 1k, should be fine it's not white but sometimes it is what it is

[potent portal]

670 eur https://www.pccomponentes.pt/xfx-speedster-merc-319-amd-radeon-rx-6950-xt-black-gaming-16gb-gddr6

Plus free game

[little osprey]

oh it's in promo

that's a big W

[potent portal]

ez under 2k https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/list/dFgdjZ
EDIT: Added some fans

[little osprey]

sorry for the late reply

I was doing some cookie dough

[potent portal]

I understand completely, cookies are definitely the priority there

[little osprey]

I mean I can deffo remove the storage

and the cooler

and I'd be set ngl

maybe not the psu cuz rn I have a 750W

idk If it'd be able to handle it

[potent portal]

750W will be cutting it a little tight

The GPU alone can spike past 400W

[little osprey]

need do smth for the casein protein

[little osprey]

yeah, I can deffo see that happening

Fonte Modular Corsair RM 750 (2019) 80+ Gold

[potent portal]

It can be done on 750W for sure though, just no room for overclocking

[little osprey]

yeah it prolly wouldn't cut it

[potent portal]

That is an A tier PSU at least. It'll work.

[little osprey]

hmmmm... overclocking isn't really my thing, I like to keep things "cold"

[potent portal]

In that case if you have power issues just undervolt the GPU

[little osprey]

"cold" cuz I bought a noctua nh-d15

and I can't use both fans

[potent portal]

Cooler and less power with undervolting, no performance loss

[little osprey]

I'll at least check the gpu out tomorow

talk with da bank

cuz everytime I buy something past 100 euros

they decide to block my card

unless I say that is me

buying x or y

[potent portal]

You should be able to tell them before you make your big purchases so they don't block it

They can put the card on travel mode for the day or something

[little osprey]

yeah idk what they do

I just know I was swipping in a mobile game in the start of the year

and they blue balled me

[mossy venture]

I second what fal said, rm 750 is a great psu

It'll be fine with a 6950xt

I oced a 6800xt on a 650w rmx without issue

The rmx can handle power spikes very well

[little osprey]

W

I would see the gpu thing rn

if it wasn't 5am

[mossy venture]

Ik you said you won't be ocing, but with 6000 series for overclocking you normally undervolt core and oc vram, which won't really affect power draw unless you use MPT to let the gpu pull more

My 6800xt matched 3080 tis in timespy without changing the power draw, just undervolting core and overclocking vram

(I could have the two backwards it was a good while ago)

[little osprey]

I'd need yall help ngl

I only used msi afterburner

[mossy venture]

There's a channel specifically for that if you decide you want to

For me afterburner wouldn't work on the 6800xt

[little osprey]

bios??

[mossy venture]

I had to use adrenalin, which is AMDs driver app and has an ocing section

No, bios is for ram and cpu ocing

[little osprey]

ah

I should be fineee then

[mossy venture]

It's as simple as moving two sliders and clicking a button to apply it

And in most cases it's pretty hard for it to be unstable on 6000 series from what I know, as long as you're not messing with mpt

[potent portal]

It's RM so different platform, but same principle applies. It's still A tier.

[mossy venture]

Ah yeah mb

Rm is a little bit worse at handle transients but still great

[potent portal]

Corsair just made such a good power supply even the cheaper version is A tier lol

[mossy venture]

Do you know which is better between rme and rmx?

[potent portal]

No idea, RMe is too new afaik

[mossy venture]

surprising for corsair I mean what

[graceful saffron]

RMx is much much better

like way better

[mossy venture]

Than rme?

[graceful saffron]

RMe has absolutely horrible spec

[potent portal]

It's mostly coolers, fans, and DDR4 that suck for corsair. Other stuff is fine/great.

[graceful saffron]

it's A tier ~ but it is horrible put against RMx

[mossy venture]

I could understand it being better, but not way better. All of the rm line is so good it's hard for one to be much better lol

[graceful saffron]

Go look a spec sheet then

[potent portal]

Understandable when RMx is basically in a league of its own

[graceful saffron]

Tier rating is how good protections are ~ not how good the PSU is

only the + signifies good

[potent portal]

Comparable more to platinum A tier units

[graceful saffron]

yes like ax1600i

[little osprey]

what do you guys think about the ML360 ilusion or flux id remember

[mossy venture]

Isn't there a fourth rm_ unit?

[mossy venture]

No

[little osprey]

idk much about water coolers

[mossy venture]

Never

[potent portal]

MSI AIOs suck badly

[little osprey]

never seen such a fast reply

saying no

lmaoo

[potent portal]

Just yesterday I had another MSI pump fail

I lost track of how many that makes

[mossy venture]

Only aios to consider are lian li galahad, ls720, lt720, lt520, ls520, liquid freezer ii, thermalright frozen notte 240 and 360, basically anything EK

Probably a few others I'm forgetting

The d15 you have is comparable to most half way decent 240mm aios

[graceful saffron]

RM1000x is 12.2mv ripple vs RMes 24.6mv

[little osprey]

naah

[graceful saffron]

yes it is

[mossy venture]

So imo not worth replacing, it won't really change anything on 7800x3d anyways

[potent portal]

Here's the one that died #cpus-mobo-and-memory message

[little osprey]

naah I'm telling you that don't

why I'm saying this??

[mossy venture]

I gaurantee you it does

[little osprey]

I have half of the cooler

[mossy venture]

Ah

[little osprey]

cuz the other half doens't fit in the case

[mossy venture]

I mean

[little osprey]

forgot to check that when buying the parts

[mossy venture]

You're getting a new case, do you still have the other half?

[little osprey]

yes, and yes

[mossy venture]

So then just put it back on lol

Though

[potent portal]

The 50 eur cooler I put on there would be more reliable and you'll get identical CPU performance out of it

[mossy venture]

I'm assuming you mean you just took off one of the fans

[little osprey]

yeah

[mossy venture]

Even if you didn't have the fan just throw another 120mm fan on there, doesn't half to be from noctua

[little osprey]

that's what you get for buying a 80 euro case

[mossy venture]

There are plenty of great 80 euro cases

[potent portal]

Lol noctua cooler prob cost more than the case

[mossy venture]

There's plenty of good 60 usd cases

[little osprey]

it did

[mossy venture]

Yeah d15 is overpriced

[little osprey]

100 x 80

[mossy venture]

Depends on when you bought tho

[little osprey]

my pc is overpriced

[mossy venture]

$100 like 4 years ago for it was decent I think? I'm not quite sure, I knew nothing about pcs when it was popular

[little osprey]

I paid 2.4k for a r9 3900x, rtx 2060, 32gb 3200mhz (not royal), 1tb nvme

[mossy venture]

Oh god

[little osprey]

paying overpriced things is my speciality

[mossy venture]

Also

You could reuse some of that pc with a 6950xt

[little osprey]

oh yeah, I was going to

if I bought it tomorow

[mossy venture]

Just throw a 5800x3d in that mobo with updated bios and pass on new ram and mobo

[little osprey]

I don't think I'd need to update the bios

[potent portal]

To run the 5800X3D? Yes you do

[little osprey]

I wanted a 7th gen for future proof

[mossy venture]

5800x3d more than fine with 6950xt for gaming

[mossy venture]

Future proof does not exist

[little osprey]

the am5

[mossy venture]

You're better off just getting a 5800x3d and buying a new mobo and ram when you actually have to

[little osprey]

It's an x570

[mossy venture]

X570 will need a bios update

[little osprey]

[mossy venture]

Unless you bought it after 5800x3d was released, which I highly doubt you did if you have a 3900x

[little osprey]

I hate that

[mossy venture]

Bios update is easy

[little osprey]

I bought it when 5th gen was released

well

it was funny

[mossy venture]

Takes a few min, like 20 for the whole process

[mossy venture]

5800x3d specifically

And even then it's likely it'd need an update

[little osprey]

I bought the cpu and next month

BOOOM

5th gen babyyyyyy

[potent portal]

All AMD boards likely need an update to run 5800X3D unless it was manufactured in the last 8 months or so

[mossy venture]

^

Ok I need to sleep I have actually wake up in the morning

Fals very smart listen to him

[potent portal]

g'night bacca

[little osprey]

hahahaha fosho

[mossy venture]

Night fal

[little osprey]

good night bbg

thanks for the help

sooo yeah

discard going am5?

[potent portal]

Your options are spend more now for the option to spend a little bit less later, or spend less now and spend again in 3-4 years

[little osprey]

well

that seems like an easy choice

in 3/4 years I'll be rich trust

ATX Kolink Horizon RGB this is my current case btw

just found it

[potent portal]

Remember if you get an O11 that different models accept different size power supplies, some do ATX and some do SFX

Pcpartpicker will help with that

[little osprey]

hmmm i didn't knew that ngl

[potent portal]

So with this upgrade https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/list/RXVqLs
You can get any of these 3 white models https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/3Pn8TW,9rt9TW,4cPQzy/

[little osprey]

hmmm, a white mbd wouldn't be better aswell?

also the one I have rn is the MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS

[potent portal]

White motherboards are extremely hard to find and expensive

[little osprey]

oh then nvm

I have better things to do with my money

[potent portal]

They'll almost all be mostly black with a splash of silver too

[little osprey]

lmaaoooo

companies should do something that ltg said

ngl

after doing things like that

[potent portal]

Companies have done full white motherboards, like NZXT. Too bad they suck.

[little osprey]

I was between nzxt and lian li

but my friend said nzxt case sucked

[potent portal]

I meant this https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/product/KnLFf7/nzxt-n7-b550-atx-am4-motherboard-n7-b55xt-w1

It looks great at a glance but the bios is godawful and not being updated any more

But yes I agree most NZXT cases suck

[little osprey]

I only had this case

and every case I seen was on a screen

I hate going to tech stores

there's a lot of uninformed fellas trying to sell you things you don't need

[potent portal]

Sounds a lot like best buy to me

[little osprey]

imagine that

but for every store

not only that but their bots never work

[potent portal]

They'll literally pay people to say "it's better because it's newer" even though it costs more for less power

[little osprey]

nah here they toss a lot of fake knowledge

like actual fake knowlegde

some bro really said "yeah this one right here is better cuz it has a double npu, and so it's faster"

MY BROTHER IN CHRIST

[potent portal]

Geek squad is a joke too. The techs in store aren't required to know more than how to turn it on and plug in a USB to run their automated tool.

[little osprey]

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT AN NPU IS? 3 SECONDS AGO YOU STUTERED WITH ME ASKING WHAT A CORE AND A THREAD WAS

[little osprey]

istg, every tech I know that works in a store must have a script

[graceful saffron]

don't worry im gonna apply for geek squad and raise the collective IQ of the staff by 200 points

[potent portal]

Tbf scripts do save a lot of time speaking as the guy who wrote our company's script. A basic level 1 tech that can tell you how to turn it off and on again can save your better paid techs an hour easily.

[little osprey]

I'm not very knowledgeable about hardware and stuff, I have my IT certification and that's about it, since I decided to go the software dev route instead

[potent portal]

A+?

[little osprey]

but daaamn, some guys in the stores get me furius

[little osprey]

ITe from cisco

[potent portal]

Ah ok

[little osprey]

and lvl 4 eqf

[potent portal]

That's a lot more than most people could do

[little osprey]

yeah but I still know nothing about pcs in general

[potent portal]

If you can set up a printer you can pass the A+ but Cisco doesn't mess around

[little osprey]

bro...

I needed to pass

18 exams

70%+

on all of them

MINIMUM

[potent portal]

And imagine, I only needed 8 for Microsoft to call me "expert"

(most of the tests overlapped with each other a lot too)

[little osprey]

cisco is wild ngl, the college I might get into

should let me get a ccna for free

idk why, since Idc about networking in general

[potent portal]

CCNA was easily the hardest one for me.

[little osprey]

and to think some fellas decided to take ccnp and cAr

[potent portal]

I almost didn't pass CCNA 3 and 4. I still have trouble getting routers and switches to trunk properly. Good thing my company doesn't use Cisco and that cert is useless. 💀

[little osprey]

I never had troubles using packet tracer

when my teacher put me a single switch

in front of me

It took 5h just to connect to it

TBF

it was a broken switch

[potent portal]

Was the teacher aware of this? lol

[little osprey]

no, and doubled down on being my fault

till he said "if I try and it works 1st try I'm failing you" and I said to go ahead

he tryed for 1h

and couldn't make it

[potent portal]

ofc, it's always one or the other. They know and are messing with you hoping you diagnose it properly, or everything is your fault and nothing you say is correct.

[little osprey]

it was the reset port

I was working with a subbrand of cisco

smth lynx

[potent portal]

I always found it amusing that the computer lab had an entirely separate internet connection from the rest of the campus at my college. They know what goes on in that computer security class. I brought a flash drive full of viruses to play with once.

[little osprey]

LMAAAOOOOO

my 1st networking teacher taught us how to shutdown others pcs

we kept doing it when he tried to start exams

the lab we used for the switches didn't even had lan

[potent portal]

I flooded the network before a test one day with a DDOS virus

[little osprey]

we needed to do it for our project

[potent portal]

Because we were discussing DDOS attacks right before

[little osprey]

never done that

only shutting down our teacher pcs

[runic spruce]

Make a tutorial lol

[little osprey]

or our friends pc mid work

[potent portal]

It was a gigabit connection too, really high speed stuff for 2012. I had to remote into almost every PC in the empty classroom next door to set up the DDOS undetected.

[little osprey]

I think it was shutdown -i

I don't remember

it was 4 years ago

damn, I'm old

[potent portal]

That'll bring up the interactive shutdown dialog

[little osprey]

yeah

[runic spruce]

Did u at least pass the class

[little osprey]

last thing I remember doing with cmd other than installing arch and coding

was ssh connection

which I used linux

[potent portal]

All of our classroom PCs had RPC enabled with the same credentials because they used the same network boot image (no persistent viruses that way) so it was easy to remote into your neighbor's PC and mess with them

[little osprey]

the funniest part of highschool

was for suree

[potent portal]

Easily, the professor was rather impressed with me. I think I taught her a thing or two. And did a practical demonstration on why physical security is important when I picked open a cabinet and the camera closet.

[little osprey]

my c++ teacher almost crying after me getting the best exam in the class

[little osprey]

only thing I taught a teacher was not to doubt someone

bro thought I was going to fail the final project

[potent portal]

She wanted to use another professor's copy of microsoft server because she lost hers, and the other professor wasn't available. So I intervened.

[runic spruce]

I’m going to take a c++ clsss next yr

[little osprey]

ended up having the 2nd best, arguably the best project

[little osprey]

don't

[potent portal]

C++ is too basic (pun intended)

[little osprey]

I kinda wanted to learn zig

[runic spruce]

It’s one of the “starter” cs classes

[little osprey]

and rust

[runic spruce]

At my school

[little osprey]

oh then you should be fine

just need to be good in math

for the logic

[runic spruce]

Oh yeah there making me take a logic class then the c++ class

[little osprey]

nowadays I don't remember nothing about any language

other than ts

since I'm proeficient

[potent portal]

If you're considering military then make sure to take C#. Most departments in the various branches program in modified C#.

[little osprey]

and it's hard to forget something you are proeficient at

but if you ask me to do smth in c or c++ I'll prolly do it

[little osprey]

I don't want to talk about C#

the 2 projects I had to use it

...

made me want to commit die die

[runic spruce]

At least it wasn’t assembly

[little osprey]

I might need to learn it in college

[potent portal]

Objective C 💀

[little osprey]

in college here

or better said

in computer engineering

software engineering

wtv you want to call it

[runic spruce]

Tbh I’ve never really seen anyone use assembly

Besides on YouTube

[runic spruce]

Samething kinda

Software or computer engineering

[little osprey]

you need to learn: java, html/css/php/js/ts/react, assembly, c++, c# and I think c

I'm not sure about c tho

I know it's either you learn java or c, or you learn java and c

[little osprey]

yeah, kind of the same thing, in portugal you really only have that option if you want to be a developer

it's so stupid in here

they call engineers to be IT support

and say it's fair

[potent portal]

When I took java it was still in active development. God I'm old.

[little osprey]

I only took c++ academically

[potent portal]

Android apps were barely integrated into the class too. It was effectively optional to make a hello world android app.

[little osprey]

OH YEAH

if you choose software dev in the branches

you learn kotlin for android apps

[little osprey]

just like my c++ class...

[potent portal]

This was back in 2012 remember. Smart phones have only been out for a little over 3 years, and android was still VERY much java based.

I still had my flip phone personally

[little osprey]

the most we've done in that class was like a restaurant crm

that would save the menu to a file

and take the current menu from a file

[little osprey]

I only started having a smarphone in 2017

iirc

I grew with cellphones

(I'm turning 19 in the end of the year)

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My first was a galaxy s3, and it had been out for a while (bargain hunter here) so this was probably 2014 when I got it

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no waaay

mine was the s3 aswell

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Tough little thing isn't it

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it was cute

I lost it 2 times

in the bus

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It's an absolute brick and also so tiny compared to modern stuff lol

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at least it's not a note 7

or was it the s7, idr

i don't remember which one was the c4 phone

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Oh with the battery balloon

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YEAAAH

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Yeah S7

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funny times for smartphones

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One of the notes had that too, maybe the note 2

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hmmm idk, when it came out I wasn't prolly even conscious about my own existance

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No wait you were right, note 7 was a pocket mortar. So was the S7. Right on both counts.

7 was NOT Samsung's lucky number

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LMAAAAOOOOO

well they really put the 3 star on their name with that one

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They were still figuring out the whole rapid charge thing back in those days, it was really easy to damage the battery internally

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wasn't it the start of fuly lithium batteries?

I remember my phone didn't had a lithium battery at the time

tbf it was 10 euros and wasn't even a smartphone

back in 2016

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Good times, good times https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/21/technology/samsung-galaxy-s7/index.html

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DAAMN

the edge terminology

simpler times

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"trust me bro™️ it's fine"

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LMAAAOOOOO

funny to see

how phones went from trying to be a "circular" shaped

or better said

curved

to have strong lines

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Now they know when you charge the battery you slow down the charging at 60% full, and trickle charge at 80%

So you don't get spicy pillows

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heard it is because the battery works as a condenser

how to power works

at least

but it was my teacher that also said that was proeficient in linux

and didn't even know distros other than debian based existed

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There's a lot of physics involved. The simple explanation I know is it can only hold so many electrons, and if you try to cram more in too fast they get too excited and expand.