building-and-recc-chat

[obsidian wigeon]

that money coulda been spent on a dac amp

[bold stone]

I did not cancel anything

And the store is closed

Amazing

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/73k8hk

Second monitor can just be some old cheapie

As long as it's hdmi it won't matter

Oh oops forgot to change the psu back

There we go

[simple moon]

I have a game that requires a good sound card

[potent portal]

What game is that

[cyan ravine]

Mobos come with sound cards

[obsidian wigeon]

And they're fine nowadays

If you're not satisfied, there's always dac amps

[simple moon]

Rocksmith 2014

[cyan ravine]

What games are you playing

Like list all of them

[potent portal]

A DAC would be much better in that case

[cyan ravine]

$5 apple dac

[simple moon]

Minecraft (WITH SHADERS)
Fortnite
The Counter Strike series
A Plague Tale series
Cyberpunk 2077
Starfield
Final Fantasy series
FFXV Windows Edition
Halo: Master Cheif Collection (so all Halo games ig)
Halo Infinite
Fall Guys
Elden Ring
Rocksmith 2014
Black Ops III
Modern Warfare II
StarCraft II
StarCraft Remastered
World of Warcraft
State of Decay
Overwatch 2
Forza Horizon 4 and 5
Ghostrunner
Stardew Valley
Terraria
Phasmophobia
Rayman Raving Rabids
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
What remains of Edith Finch
Destiny 2
EVE Online
Apex Legends
Asphalt series
Splitgate
Pinball FX3
DiRT series
Emulated games (alot of those)

[cyan ravine]

Chad actually made a huge list

[potent portal]

Well, you asked lol

And you got the answer down to the pinball

[cyan ravine]

Not gonna lie I was not expecting the detailed answer

But I appreciate it so we have a lot more context

Yeah if you want to invest in good soundz get a dac+amp

The list I sent you had a sennheiser set with good neutral sound

But they're also very usable for multiplayer

Something like a schitt stack dac+amp combo, or topping dx3+ pro

Or apple dac

[flint sapphire]

Did someone say schitt stack?

[cyan ravine]

Buying a sound blaster in 2023 is a very dated recommendation

By a good few years

Lol

Same with the blue yeti, c920, steelseries keyboard etc, but I digress

All of those are real like, 2018 suggestions to me

The game has stepped up severely in the peripheral world

[potent portal]

Wasn't blue yeti just discontinued even? It's that old

[cyan ravine]

Ya, I nearly bought one 5 years ago

And it has a horrible like, audible distortion to it

Imo it's worse than some headset mics

Think it like someone stuck a cup over the microphone and you were speaking into the cup

[simple moon]

What keyboard and mic would y'all recommend?
I'm not worried about the webcam but the mic and keyboard are important for me and I don't want to make the wrong choice.

[cyan ravine]

See the list

[cyan ravine]

Here^^

I covered both of those and plenty more in that 3.5k budget

We could trim it a bit to fit a good dac+amp, or you grab the $5 apple dac and an old monitor you already have to run with all the parts in that list

Frankly it'll be best performance possible and 4K at that

You might consider spending another say, $40 on a better case if anything (the one linked is excellent tho)

[potent portal]

Nothing comes close to the 4090 so if that fits in the budget with a good CPU, that's the best and only option. And the 7800X3D is literally the best gaming CPU.

[cyan ravine]

Both are the best at gaming period

For the layman

[simple moon]

The reason I chose the case I chose is because it has an optical drive bay

[cyan ravine]

Why do you need an optical drive bay

You can buy usb external optical drives

[simple moon]

Less external cable management

[cyan ravine]

In turn for having a much worse case? No, I wouldn't do it

You won't be using cd's all the time, just get an external one

You can use it with other pc's as well if you do that

[potent portal]

Or get the fractal pop xl

[cyan ravine]

XL has an optical drive bay?

[potent portal]

It has 5.25 bays

Hidden on the bottom front

[simple moon]

What wrong with the case I chose?

[cyan ravine]

Meh, I'd still get an external drive

You can use that with a laptop

Very very handy

[simple moon]

If I get a tablet/laptop, It will be to remote control the PC when im away. I dont really ever want to experience the laptop gaming experience once im done with this laptop

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9GLdnQ/thermaltake-toughpower-gf-a3-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-l

What tier is this PSU?

[simple moon]

also, not nvidia, coz what if i want to dualboot arch? The open source official Nvidia driver are still in alpha

[cyan ravine]

Not saying to, but spending $70 more just to have a fixed optical drive is excessive

Running amd is fine, we can change that

[potent portal]

AMD's best offering is the 7900 XTX and it's a solid 25% worse than the 4090

(So is the 4080 for that matter)

[cyan ravine]

Nah not for linux

Linux discussions change things

[potent portal]

Is the option to dual boot worth sacrificing gaming performance though

[cyan ravine]

Some people live and die by linux, that's not my call lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c3DMPX

[simple moon]

Itll sstill be better than my current specs

[cyan ravine]

XTX is good value anyway

[potent portal]

Fair enough. XTX is an excellent deal right now yeah.

4080 performance for 3/4 the price

[cyan ravine]

Yeah no getting an internal optical drive makes no sense imo

You can get good external ones for $25

[simple moon]

Also, I can save money by not purchasing a mouse and headset, because I already have a good mouse and headset

[potent portal]

Presumed B tier

[cyan ravine]

Well you won't need speakers either then

Logitech speakers are mostly a pass anyway

[simple moon]

Well I dont always plan on using a headset, just when Im gaming and need surround sound

[cyan ravine]

You could stick a modmic onto the headset

Keep the good headset and then have an excellent mic to go with it

[potent portal]

Headset surround is a joke anyway

To get a real surround experience you need multiple drivers. Very few headsets actually do that. So they do "surround" by changing the L/R balance.

[cyan ravine]

If you want good sound to boot, the FV43U has better built-in downfires than a separate set of speakers

I mean, may as well get something verified decent to go with a more massive display imo if you must have external sound

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hgM6v3

$80 extra for much better sound than the z200's and you also get 11 more inches of screen

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hCrRsY/gigabyte-aorus-fv43u-430-3840x2160-144-hz-monitor-aorus-fv43u

Otherwise I'd look at something like a sound bar

[potent portal]

A couple of satellite speakers would go a long way for surround if you needed that. There's good wireless ones now.

[cyan ravine]

Yeah

Big stacks

[little osprey]

Well since the Hydro G Pro is out of stock should I wait for the coming sales or grab a RM750e?

[fleet heron]

Should I just restart it myself? Or let it do its thing because it's been like 5 mins

[hallow egret]

is windows 11 worth it

[late fjord]

Yes.

[potent portal]

That's normally a memory or storage error. Go ahead and reboot but if you keep getting errors try running with one stick of memory.

[fleet heron]

Got it thanks!

It works fine for now so hopefully it stays like that

[mossy venture]

Depends person to person

Iirc windows 11 doesn't play well with am5, but I'm not sure if that was fixed

If you have a 12th or 13th gen cpu with e cores, you should go w11

Aside from that, whatever

[jagged hill]

i think linux is more useful for lower end devices

but higher end stuff should be running windows for games

[dusky hearth]

what's a good laptop for under 1k, for a cybersecurity boot camp? i'd assume that they'll be running some vms, so more ram, a slightly better processor, and maybe no dedicated graphics would be fine? at least it isn't very graphics critical

they say that they will be running linux as the os

longer battery life may also be ideal

[obsidian wigeon]

consider looking at vivobook pros and such

the thin and light laptops, especially with zen 3 and newer

[fluid sail]

My friend is currenty looking for a gaming laptop, His budget is around 1100 CAD (he said his max is 1300 CAD) What would be the best option for him?

[calm tinsel]

@obsidian wigeon hello foxxy 👋 Still out here helping us noobs with hardware?

[little osprey]

I can help ya

What’s up?

[bold stone]

They forgot the monitor sith the order.....

[mossy venture]

Contact customer support

[bold stone]

We called yeah dw

@mossy venture is there anything stupid I could do to ruin the pc physically

[obsidian wigeon]

Well, a pc is fairly resilient to stuff but don't be banging it around or something

[mossy venture]

^

Don't pour liquid in it, I've heard that can be bad occasionally

[potent portal]

Hammers and other metal objects also don't get along with them

[mossy venture]

I actually love to hit my gpu with a 10lb sledge

It makes it scared of me so it runs better

[potent portal]

That worked for my old PC too, but my current one already has a healthy fear of me after seeing what I do to the other hardware

[mossy venture]

That's understandable

I've heard creating a saw style trap for your computer parts helps

[obsidian wigeon]

Powered by fear

[bold stone]

Why does my wrist kill ne after using a mouse

Hello

Help ffs

[fossil cedar]

Could be not used to it, your hand doesn't like the shape of the mouse, weird grip on the mouse, hard surface that you're using the mouse on etc

[bold stone]

So not carpal tunnel?

[fossil cedar]

Carpel tunnel takes a long time to develop

[bold stone]

Maybe from controller

[little osprey]

Hey, I am really concered here well nervous. I am running a Open Air Case so the only Fans are from the GPU and CPU Cooler (Noctua) I am running the B650i Aorus motherboard with 2 M.2.

My concern is that the bottom M.2 idles at 56-58 and when running peak performance which i assume which is what the max would be on the drive i am getting 68c is this normal considering there is no airflow over the m.2 heatsink since its open air. Drive is a 970 Evo Plus and this is the bottom m.2 since its a stacked m.2 riser.

Thanks

[potent portal]

68C is perfectly acceptable for a NVMe drive

[little osprey]

thats my build

i would assume the higher idle temps are from there being no airflow over the m.2?

[potent portal]

Probably. There would be a little passive airflow from the GPU when the fans are running, though.

[little osprey]

Thanks want to make sure my pc wont break lol

or get damaged

[potent portal]

68C is hot to us but that's pretty frosty for most PCs

Your caution is understood but unwarranted in this case

[little osprey]

Lol figured it out i have one of those fans on the top of the heatsink its set really low so no air over it: now its at 51 idle.

How long can those tiny fans last

[potent portal]

Depends on the bearing

[little osprey]

they must be long lasting if they put it on it lol

[potent portal]

Could be anywhere from 5000 hours to 100000 hours, there's a lot of variance

[little osprey]

i also got to remember the pch chipset is under it to which could heat up the m.2

[potent portal]

Ah yeah that would contribute

[little osprey]

i mean its literly right above it and with no airflow but as long as i dont have to worry like your said then all good

Like i said i ran CrystalDiskMark at Peak Performance (which ill never see in every day use) it never went above 68c

Thanks for the help

[potent portal]

No problem, it's why I hang out here

[little osprey]

If i wanted to attach a 40mm fan could i put it ontop of my GPU? How would i attach it to my GPU is Thermalpads have enough stickyness to them to hold something in place

[potent portal]

I do twistys like the ones that come on cables

I have a fan dangling over my ram like that lol

[little osprey]

i have no clue where i would tie it to lol

[potent portal]

It wouldn't need to be directly on it, as long as it's blowing in the general area

[fluid sail]

anyone ?

[little osprey]

Is this a good brand to get?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3QXJ7P/kingston-nv2-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-snv2s2000g

[mossy venture]

P41 plus cheaper and is better

Or a60 is cheaper and will game just as good if not better

[little osprey]

what brand

[obsidian wigeon]

solidigm p41 plus and silicon power a60

[fleet heron]

I feel like this the most relevant server for me to ask my question in so now I'm here, let's say theoretically If my parents possibly put a restriction on my wifi Is there any way I can get access to wifi without them knowing? Like could a VPN or like a setting make me get access to the wifi?

Totally asking for a friend 😶

Wifi restrictions as in I'm connected but wifi doesn't work, and I'm certain they did it

[leaden plume]

I dont think theres a fix to that

Im sure they didnt restrict it only to your computer

[fleet heron]

They can and I'm pretty sure they did

[leaden plume]

Oh idk then

[fleet heron]

Ah whatever I'm just gonna deal with it later

I've got plenty of data left

[potent portal]

It depends on how they blocked you. If they did Mac filtering you can toggle the "randomized Mac address" option from the adapter settings.

If they have new device alerts turned on there's no way around that

[fleet heron]

Mac filtering, got it I'll look more into that and see if they got it on tomorrow

Crazy how you know all this stuff, if you remember you helped me deal with that blue screen I had earlier this week

Thanks again!

[potent portal]

I literally need to know this for my job lol. I run the network at work so I need to know different ways to bypass things, so I can block those too lol.

[weak flint]

i have a question my cg560 has a 3 pin 140mm that isnt connected to the fan controller and deep cool on their youtube say to connect it to the psu

not sure how this works

any help?

seems like its normal like this should i just connect this to my mb?

[earnest olive]

take a picture of the connector

3 pin sounds like it's the argb connector?

but I think deepcool uses some nonstandard connectors sometimes

so idk

[weak flint]

aight

[weak flint]

the 140mm doesnt have rgb

damn my internet is bad

here

so i should connect it to my 3 pin on my mb?

idk the deepcool video on yt said to connect it to the psu it was weird

[earnest olive]

yeah just 3 pin on mobo

that's just a regular fan cable

[weak flint]

yeah thnx suspected that

[earnest olive]

you can plug it into a 4 pin fan header no problem

it's your cpu cooler right?

[weak flint]

no

[earnest olive]

oh no cg560 is a case oops

so it's a case fan

yeah just plug it into any of your mobo's fan headers

[weak flint]

im using 7700 provided cooler lmfao

[earnest olive]

pick whichever one looks best for cable management

unless you don't care then just any

[earnest olive]

i7-7700 stock cooler?

[weak flint]

no ryzen 7 7700

[earnest olive]

I didn't even know that it came with a cooler

[weak flint]

all non x 7000 come with coolers

[earnest olive]

good to know

[dusky hearth]

help i accidentally built a shelf

[languid nimbus]

[cunning spade]

Can some one help me pick my build out pleass.

[mossy venture]

Sure

Budget, country, use case, what you need included in budget

[cunning spade]

1200$, us

[mossy venture]

Just for the tower?

Or do you need a monitor, keyboard, mouse

[cunning spade]

No

[mossy venture]

Building yourself?

[cunning spade]

Yeah

[mossy venture]

Do you need wifi?

Or using ethernet

Oh last question, do you care about looks?

[cunning spade]

No

[cunning spade]

Yea i think

Yeah

I do

[mossy venture]

Kk, ty

Just a few min

[cunning spade]

Alr

[mossy venture]

Option a https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JgfZnt
Option B https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2Jd2qm
Option C https://pcpartpicker.com/list/szrQjZ
Could go for a 2tb a60 for the ssd in any of the lists if you want more storage

Also lastly I'm gonna make you one for cheaper

[cunning spade]

Okay

[mossy venture]

Here we go https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4NmZnt

[cunning spade]

Witch one do you perfer?

[mossy venture]

Oh idk why I didn't think of this

7600 is same price as 12600k and 13400f and has cheaper mobo options than a ddr5 mobo for either of the above

So here https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yThwMb

That would be my choice out of any of them, could also change gpu to 6800xt and storage to a60 2tb

Won't make a difference

Can also change out case as wanted, just use the same site with that list to make sure the case will be compatible

[cunning spade]

Okay thanks

Do i need to get any extra fans?

[mossy venture]

You could, one sec

[cunning spade]

Okay

[mossy venture]

These are decent and cheap
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vq6p99/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-s-x3-d6

[cunning spade]

Ok

Do i need them or no

[mossy venture]

Are you planning to change the case or get the one in the list?

[cunning spade]

Keep it

Idc what it looks like tbh

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt say they're required but for $15 I'd say it's worth

[cunning spade]

Can you add it to the list?

[hollow cloud]

apologies if this is in the wrong place or this has been answered a thousand times, but! I'm looking at building my first PC, because I need a new computer, have a need for something that's decently powerful for CPU & a lil less so for gpu, and have current budget restrictions now but might need even better than I can afford later. it seems like building something is the best way to get a powerful budget build now and especially less expensive to upgrade later as/if needed. but like... I have no knowledge of building a pc. I've been watching tutorials on picking parts and how to build and they both make me think it's possible but also deeply confuse me and often assume a lot of knowledge I don't have. am I crazy to think this is possible or a way to have a new computer within a couple weeks if I make quickish build parts decisions?

[mossy venture]

Yes, and I could make you a build list for you

I just need to know what country you're in, what your budget is, what you're doing with the pc, and any preferences you may have for asthetics and such

If you need a lot of storage, wifi built in to the pc or if you're using ethernet, etc

Though I might be busy by the time you respond so either my response will be delayed or someone else will make you a list

[hollow cloud]

that would be absurdly incredible.

country: US
budget: $700-$1k preferring to keep it on the lower end if doable to meet immediate needs.

use: it'd mostly be for working. I generally multitask a lot with a bunch of tabs open while also sometimes working in Zoom or other video meetings, Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Illustrator, InDesign, or on rare occasions After Effects. as video editing is one of the big factors as I understand it to be specific I'm not usually but occasionally may be editing 4k but I tend to be making something at most 5 minutes not like feature length movies or anything like that. I also often work on decently sized data sets in excel, sheets, and/or airtable, with the usual high end of that being like 120kish rows with 20ish columns of data but on rare occasions have needed to be able to open and work with something as large as like 1million rows and 50columns of data in excel though mostly just to sort and find the relevant 100kish records in it to cut it down to - tho maybe I just need to learn SQL or something for anything at this scale not buy a device with this criteria?😅 lastly I occasionally play DND with friends over Foundry which has some basic graphics needs.

also like my understanding is working in after effects, heavier video editing, and 4k video needs push up to GPU cost a bit and I wouldn't say this is nearly as fundamental to immediate needs as the other stuff, and is happily a place to compromise for cost if needed. part of why building a pc seemed a good way to go is it seemed like with some parts I could have extra slots and add more juice to the rig later as possible/needed and obviously way better an approach than my past approach of like "buy whole computer, use til too slow, buy new whole computer"

storage I think 1TB is probably great but 2TB would be fairly future proof long-term, especially since I try to keep most video file storage on an external hd.

internal wifi not needed I can hook onto Ethernet easy.

aesthetics: not critical but the clear panels on one side are really cool and so does the RGB stuff I've seen people do but like that isn't my biggest priority

[paper summit]

bruh

[vague oracle]

TLDR plz?

[mossy venture]

I'd do this with a used gpu, if you're fine with that, if you're lucky could get a 3080, more likely a 3070/ti though https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c9TfKp

If you're not fine with a used gpu, 3060 ti for $320 or $275 when in stock on best buy for pny whatever

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-Gaming-Epic-X-Graphics/dp/B08WRQ3JR1/ref=sr_1_6

RGB PNY 3060 Ti for $300

Nothing huge but thought it might be worth pointing out

Renewed ones are $275

[mossy venture]

That's a 3060

Not ti

Which is also an option, id just buy one used

New prices suck

[little osprey]

Wait

Yeah I'm stupid one second

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-Gaming-Graphics-Renewed/dp/B0BKR2VKKC/ref=mp_s_a_1_2

Yeah, it's renewed

[hollow cloud]

y'all are incredible, and yes I'm sorry to be long and wordy about it I'm very good at overthinking things which relatedly is a big part of why i so deeply deeply appreciate the help bc this list would've taken me forever to figure out

[mossy venture]

Nice find

[mossy venture]

Happy to help!

[little osprey]

No problem man, feel free to shoot any other questions that come to mind

Here to help

[little osprey]

Just realized it comes with warranty so that's nice

[hollow cloud]

am I correct in assuming you left out a CPU cooler bc the internal CPU cooler should be sufficient? or should I get one of those as well?

[little osprey]

Stock cooler should be fine for the 7600

[hollow cloud]

ty!!

[hollow cloud]

parts ordered!! it's happening. @mossy venture you're a mensch, you saved me like 2-3 panic attacks on my path to figuring out something like this. tysm. likewise @little osprey 🙏

[little osprey]

Good luck man, hope the build turns out!

[sharp temple]

@potent portal a friend of mine wanted the PC so here's what i have everything but the psu.

[cunning spade]

I need help some one 🤦‍♂️

Where do i get the screws for the motherboard if the motherboard didnt come with any?

[frigid night]

Should have came with your case.

[cunning spade]

I didnt see any

[frigid night]

Rip. Can order them off amazon

[cunning spade]

Thats the only screws

[frigid night]

Alright. Look around for M3x5 screws

[frigid night]

Actually. What case do you have?

[cunning spade]

Eclipse g360a

[frigid night]

Weird. The manual says it comes with 22 screws for the mobo/ssd

[cunning spade]

Soo

It had srews already in it

Not for the motherboard . Only the cpu

And the ssd

[frigid night]

In the back of your case, there should be SSD drive bays being held in by screws. They should be the same ones you'd use for your mobo.

If you aren't using sata SSD, you can just yoink 9 of those for your mobo.

[swift widget]

can someone see if this is a good pc build https://newegg.io/a5068752

[cunning spade]

Will not come out ☠️

[frigid night]

Oh. That box will have your mobo screws in it

Those 2 clips on either side. Push them in as best you can and slide it out.

Might need to lift the box up from the bottom a bit to get the clips to squeeze together more.

Check and see if there are any screws holding it in as well, but there shouldn't be.

[cunning spade]

WE GOT IT

Can you call and help us build?

?

[potent portal]

It's a major US holiday. A lot of people are busy with family. Like me, I just popped in for a few minutes.

[heavy atlas]

can someone help me with my psu?

[potent portal]

What about it?

[mossy venture]

No not really

[weak flint]

Are Azza psu's good?

[dry rampart]

If I were to share my current build, will some one drive me in the correct direction on what to buy that will hold up to the new and upcoming games, software, and ect.

[potent portal]

Which one? They've only got a couple models but the gold one is a low C tier (passable for lower or midrange parts depending on wattage) and the bronze is E tier (avoid if possible)

[weak flint]

yeah crap then

[potent portal]

Sure. It's easiest for everyone if you put your parts into https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[dry rampart]

@potent portal Thanks for repsonding, here is what is in my current build. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/csDRfv

[potent portal]

Ok. What would your budget be for an upgrade? I'd probably do a platform upgrade and do a new CPU, motherboard, and memory.

[swift widget]

can someone show me what parts to get for a high end pc build with a 5k budget

[potent portal]

A few suggestions. Anything over about 3k is all aesthetics. This is the best current GPU and CPU. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8CbMPX
Yes it says the memory isn't compatible. It is now as of BIOS update F6. Current is F8a.

[mossy venture]

Great list, would recommend

Though 48gb doesn't run well on either amd or Intel, I don't remember which

[swift widget]

thank you

[potent portal]

It was AMD. Recent bios updates have helped on many models. Not all of them support 24/48GB yet, but this one specifically has a couple 48GB kits on the QVL now.

Seby got 11,159 MT/s with 24GB during the G.skill competition so Intel likes it just fine lol

[mossy venture]

Ah nice

[dry rampart]

iIhave a good computer, im looking to upgrade parts on what I have, not build a brand new one.

[potent portal]

What you have was good 10 years ago

Modern games need more CPU power

[dry rampart]

false, i bought it all brand new in 2017

[potent portal]

That doesn't change the fact the 4790k is 10 years old

[dry rampart]

ok we get a new processor, do i have to have a brand new mother board, tower, power supply, again im not trying to be rude, im asking for info and a reasonble build

[potent portal]

You'd need a new CPU, motherboard, and memory

You're running DDR3 memory right now, we're at the point where DDR5 is affordable. About $250 would get you a decent upgrade to 12th gen Intel, last year's model.

Everything else is fine for now. The 1070 for example still meets the minimum spec for almost everything.

[potent portal]

Cheapest option that allows for further upgrades later https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hYys8r
My personal recommendation, DDR5 would be good for future proofing https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ckbYpH

[dry rampart]

give me a $1000 upgrade with what I have and I will be so grateful

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sKms6r

[static parcel]

Anyone know the best pc I get for $1200

I would prefer the Gpu to be Nivida

[mossy venture]

One sec

[mossy venture]

Bit over budget, if you can https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3fws6r

[little osprey]

What tier is that PSU?

[mossy venture]

Think it's b tier iirc?

[obsidian wigeon]

it's probably b tier

but i wouldn't fully trust that since it's thernaltake

that variant has no entry in tier list rm

[little osprey]

So RM750e is still the best bang for the buck RN?

[obsidian wigeon]

basically yeah

a tier, $100

[little osprey]

Unless they do sales on PSU's for the upcoming stuff?

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[little osprey]

I really wanted that Hydro G Pro

[obsidian wigeon]

hydro g pro gone now

[little osprey]

Yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

not just back to normal price out of stock too

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V3qPxr/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-alpha-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl40-memory-flabd532g5600hc40bdc01

[obsidian wigeon]

if you want 850w there's cooler master gold

[little osprey]

This kit fine for RAM tuning?

[little osprey]

Meh, don't really care that much about wattage

[mossy venture]

Not the right kit

One sec

[obsidian wigeon]

cooler master gold is only $119

[little osprey]

More concerned about it being modular and tier

[obsidian wigeon]

19 extra for also an a tier psu

[little osprey]

Black if possible as well

[obsidian wigeon]

modular

black too ofc

[little osprey]

Might have to look into it

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qk9wrH/teamgroup-t-create-classic-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl46-memory-ctccd532g5600hc46dc01

[little osprey]

Would be cool to get one of those wattage display PSU's

[obsidian wigeon]

expensive

[mossy venture]

Those aren't accurate iirc

[little osprey]

Probably cost a fortune though and my case wouldn't show that

[obsidian wigeon]

those psus at least

[little osprey]

I saw it in the Asus Evangelion stuff so

But OFC it's never in the U.S.

[obsidian wigeon]

people also be getting white psus when their cases are gonna block em from view anyway

[little osprey]

Appreciate it

[mossy venture]

Would that 5600c46 kit and the g.skill 5600c28 kit oc any different?

[obsidian wigeon]

just buy extension cablws rather than paying white fee

[obsidian wigeon]

if same die then no

it's up to the board

and your luck

[mossy venture]

Btw

[little osprey]

?

[mossy venture]

12700kf down to $220

[little osprey]

Oh deadass?

[mossy venture]

And that d5 b760 back to $120

[little osprey]

I'm gonna grab a Z690/Z790 for memory tuning purposes

[mossy venture]

Ah alr

[little osprey]

B660/B760 chipset doesn't seem to handle that stuff well enough from what I've heard

[little osprey]

If the extra two cores make it's lifespan a little longer I'm willing to pay the $20

[mossy venture]

12600k is down to$190 too

[little osprey]

Are their IMC's the same?

[mossy venture]

I think so

[zenith cargo]

@potent portal bruh in gameplay, my cpu frequency is stuck at 4.2

it wont go past that

[obsidian wigeon]

4.2 is normal

which cpu tho

i forgot lol

[mossy venture]

Pretty sure imc only changes per gen, not cpus in the same green

[zenith cargo]

it used to go to 4.6

[obsidian wigeon]

it depends on the load

[zenith cargo]

r7 5800x

[mossy venture]

Are you overclocking?

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah that looks about normal boosting range

[mossy venture]

And what are your temps

[zenith cargo]

but it wouldnt do that

68

[mossy venture]

Yeah thats normal

[obsidian wigeon]

5800x hovers at those clocks with loads higher than one core

The absolute highest boost is only achieved with single core load

Which is very rare anyway

[zenith cargo]

😐

[obsidian wigeon]

I wouldn't worry too much lol

[zenith cargo]

u think a 5800x3d can decrease the bottleneck

[obsidian wigeon]

what gpu and what res?

[zenith cargo]

6900xt 1080p

[obsidian wigeon]

sounds normal

[mossy venture]

I'd go 1440p instead of cpu upgrade personally

[obsidian wigeon]

upgrading to 5800x3d helps, but ya know using it as is doesn't cause issues

[zenith cargo]

wym

[obsidian wigeon]

the "bottleneck" doesn't cause stutters, right?

if so it's still fine

[zenith cargo]

no stutters

but in battle royale i get 100 fps 😩

[mossy venture]

What battle Royale

[zenith cargo]

warzone 2

[mossy venture]

Wz2 would benefit from a cpu upgrade

[zenith cargo]

is their a site where I can check the current prices on pc parts?

[obsidian wigeon]

pcpartpicker

[mossy venture]

^

[obsidian wigeon]

5800x3d has fallen in price quite a bit also

[mossy venture]

I'd probably just buy one used personally

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qtvqqs/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-38-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000063wof

[mossy venture]

Or wait for prime day/fantastech sales

[obsidian wigeon]

$228

[mossy venture]

That's a regular 5800x

[obsidian wigeon]

wait

oops

[mossy venture]

Lol

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CZ3gXL/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-34-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000651wof

that's more like it

$329

[mossy venture]

$330 is just expensive, at that point I'd sell cpu mobo and memory and buy a 7600 at $220

[obsidian wigeon]

used or sales better tho

[little osprey]

Any recomended thermal paste for a 12700K/12600K?

Probably just use the spare stuff for overclocking

[zenith cargo]

thats wat im going for but they still range from 290-350

[mossy venture]

A contact frame might be worth it for you if you plan to oc

Can always add it later though

[little osprey]

Ah, more so on AM3 and FM2+ 😅

Though I am grabbing a AIO for the CPU, only 240mm though

Unless a 360mm is worth it for an extra $15

[zenith cargo]

ppl be lowballing my 5800x

I set the price to 180

the I lowered itr to 160

but ppl want less

its crazy

[little osprey]

It's basically a 5700X but with worse thermals

Let alone when AM4 is a dead socket now

[zenith cargo]

am5 is expensive upgrade tho

id rather just sell my pc

but ive had it for a year and 3 months now

[little osprey]

People just don't wanna drop that much money on a chip and platform like that now

[obsidian wigeon]

pc parts be like that

[little osprey]

Does Noctua make any thermal pastes that are worth it for the price?

Or is it all just overpriced?

[potent portal]

Anything more than MX4 is not worth the price imo

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

Either that or liquid metal

[potent portal]

I got an 8g tube of MX4 for $8. Hard to beat that.

[little osprey]

Was considering 4g of MX-6 since it's gonna go on my daily

[obsidian wigeon]

anyway i hate asus slapping i9 into 4050 strix

[potent portal]

MX6 would technically be better, but only by like 2-3 degrees

Only really worth it if you're on an extreme heat processor and that would mean the difference between throttling or not

[obsidian wigeon]

13980hx with 4050

meme as usual

makes the price go through the stratosphere lmao

1.5k just for 4050

if they had put 13500hx it would've made sense

[potent portal]

For people that need to compile code on the go I guess

[obsidian wigeon]

6p8e

i guess code compilers who also games

[serene onyx]

@obsidian wigeon I wanna buy like 2 extra fans for my pc

So, do u think I should buy the same fans as my case?

Or the same fans as my cpu cooler

🤔

[mossy venture]

It doesnt matter, p12s are good for cheap

[serene onyx]

Ok bet

[mossy venture]

Or these are dirt cheap and decent https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vq6p99/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-s-x3-d6

$15 for 3

[serene onyx]

Thanks

[urban trellis]

Someone help me out rq

[serene onyx]

https://www.amazon.com/ID-COOLING-XF-12025-ARGB-TRIO-Management-Addressable-Connector/dp/B08PYPQ8SB/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_sspa?crid=2NG83JNCTSUBL&keywords=id+cooling+fans&qid=1688611515&sprefix=id+c%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div

Are these ones good too?

[mossy venture]

Not a clue

[mossy venture]

What with

[serene onyx]

223 reviews 4.6 star rating

[mossy venture]

Ratings don't really mean much on the page

Third party reviews would be worth looking at if its important to you

[serene onyx]

Makes sense

[urban trellis]

Check #overclocking

[charred fern]

if im getting a Boot Device Selection (BDS) phase is started is that good?

how long should I wait lol

the error code just keeps going up

now its on driver connector is started

PCI Bus initialization is started

[obsidian wigeon]

Kinda weird

But if it boots up fine then it's probably just a post phase

[charred fern]

its not posting

i reset cmos

[obsidian wigeon]

I would wait for like 10 mins maybe

[charred fern]

its it normal to get a motherboard power connetcs are not plugged in fully and then after a few seconds that goes away?

[charred fern]

This looks on right? I’m also getting a boot LED

[obsidian wigeon]

Did it click on?

The connector

[charred fern]

see, its stuck, so i dont know

and i cant pull it out

[obsidian wigeon]

It's receiving power so it should be fine

[charred fern]

like all my rgbs are on

[charred fern]

any ideas about the boot led light?

[obsidian wigeon]

boot led means it's booting

[charred fern]

but not an error, its just in the process of booting? How long does this normally take for the first boot?

[obsidian wigeon]

It usually takes up to 10 mins

It's gotta train ram and initialize things

[charred fern]

ok so ill wait it out, error code is going from 90 up

[obsidian wigeon]

This is a brand new build or?

[charred fern]

yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah that sounds about right

[charred fern]

i took one RAM stick out cause i thought that was the issue should I power down and put it back in?

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah you should

[charred fern]

ok time to eait

wait

[earnest olive]

i have 8 of them

though i bought them at a pricing error for $10 per 3-pack

they're solid

2 of them are starting to have rgb issues after about 15k hours of power-on time, rgb off for maybe 6k out of 15k hours

that's not bad

i had my pc powered on 24/7 for about 1.5 years with rgb off at night

generic rgb fans

they get the job done for cheap

they look like this

nothing special but good value

@mossy venture for your reference as well

[mossy venture]

Ty

[charred fern]

hey should the led code thing be cylcing thrugh all error codes

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

that's expected

[charred fern]

i powered down GPU started making very weird noises

like the fans where hitting something

[charred fern]

but like slowly, 30sec + for each

[obsidian wigeon]

uh well you shouldn't be interrupting the first boot alsp

it'll just waste your time

no harm is done but it'll have to redo everything

[serene onyx]

Oh wow

[charred fern]

Umm

[obsidian wigeon]

that's a fault with the aio

[potent portal]

Is there maybe something caught in the fan?

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[charred fern]

let me get my air duster

[potent portal]

I had a fan make a VERY similar noise, and it turned out my kids got a little piece of paper caught under the motor. Blower took care of it.

[charred fern]

when i stop it from spinning with my hand it still makes the noise

[potent portal]

Brand new right?

[charred fern]

yeah

[potent portal]

Air trapped in the pump then

Front or top mount?

[charred fern]

no case yes

[potent portal]

Make sure the radiator is above the pump at least

[charred fern]

ok it stopped

[potent portal]

Tip the whole assembly around with it off to help work out the worst of it, then with it on do it again. It took about a week for mine to stop with the gurgles

Oh good

[charred fern]

just turned the rad a bit

but now im stuck at 24 pin not in all the way error

[potent portal]

Definitely air locked then, and shifting it dislodged the bubble

[charred fern]

and its stuck so it doesnt come ouyt

ok that clear, now to wait an hr

[charred fern]

i dont need PD_PWR for it to boot right?

[potent portal]

Correct, that would just be supplemental power for the USB C port so it can power other devices.

[lone flame]

can someone explain AIOs and radiators

[charred fern]

im stuck on Post-Memory System Agent initialization is started and there is a yellow boot LED. I should add this is after reflashing the bios and clearing CMOS

code 37

[potent portal]

Reseat your memory, and if that doesn't work reseat the CPU

[charred fern]

ill do the mem now, if not i want to sleep so I will do the cpu in the morning

[potent portal]

What about it exactly? That's a very broad subject

[charred fern]

is it worth trying just one stick?

[potent portal]

Sure

[lone flame]

supposedly they cool but like how

i hear terms like watercooled thrown around but i thought that was just like the pipes

[potent portal]

The heat from the CPU gets passed to the water block, where the water is pushed through the jet plates and it absorbs as much of the heat as it can.
That heated water is pushed through the tube to the radiator, where the same thing happens in reverse. The water releases the stored heat into the radiator, and the fans blow it away.

[lone flame]

interesting

perhaps i need to upgrade to something like that in the future

my room heats up so quick

[potent portal]

It's still ambient cooling. If anything, removing the heat more effectively means the room heats up more.

Especially since a cooler running CPU may boost higher and longer, using more power, generating even more heat

[lone flame]

is there a way to just prevent heat like in general

obv to an extent

[potent portal]

You can undervolt your parts so they use less power, therefore generating less heat. If you do it right you shouldn't lose much, if any, performance.

Something I find fun to point out is for the cost of a custom water loop, you can get a window AC unit lol

AIO is cheaper ofc but not as good

[fleet heron]

Aios are superior unless your going for aesthetics

[potent portal]

Air cooling has caught up a lot recently actually. A $45 air cooler can compete with a decent 240mm AIO.

And the AIO costs more than double

[runic spruce]

It might be a bit extreme but u could get an ac unit to bring cool air into your room so it doesn’t get hot

[lone flame]

Honestly I’ve really thought about it

But most of them need a window or smth to vent and my desk is up against my window

[runic spruce]

yea youll need a window vent most of the time for these

i have one of them installed and the window vent isnt that big, but it mightt be worth moving your desk if the heat really bothers u

[warm cave]

Is there any point in getting an HDD anymore?

[obsidian wigeon]

not really, unless you really want mass storage for cheap

[warm cave]

That's fair. That's what made me ask, tbh. IT would be nice having a 20tb drive. But I don't totally trust it not to fail, plus read/write is of course slower.

[cyan ravine]

I'd consider 20tb when you genuinely know you need 20TB

[potent portal]

If you have a legitimate use for a 20TB drive like a plex server or something, there's this for $288 right now. $14.40 per TB is not bad at all. https://www.newegg.com/seagate-exos-x20-st20000nm007d-20tb/p/N82E16822185011

[warm cave]

I'm building a biggole texture library

It would basically be my CGI drive. Where I keep all my resources and projects.

But that also scares me in case of failure

[potent portal]

HDD failure is less scary than SSD failure tbh. When a HDD is about to fail, you can often tell beforehand. It'll throw errors, maybe start making noise. If a SSD fails, it's gone before you have a chance to back it up.

[warm cave]

That's lovely. I never actually knew that. My current stuff is on a SDD, but it's just not enough. And I could get like.. a 4 tb SSD, but space for space, the HDD beats it out.

I should also probably check if I have drive bay space.

[potent portal]

Another use for that 20TB drive. Backup space for your SSDs lol

[warm cave]

Ayy, that's also true lmao.

[obsidian wigeon]

when an ssd fails it's usually impossible to recover data

hdds being mechanical has lots of signs before they really fail

[warm cave]

Thanks for the advice.

I may not go as high as 20tb.

But I def want to build a biggole asset/texture library.

[obsidian wigeon]

i have a half dying seagate hdd that still works

still have data in it, just no stuff to retrieve from it lmao

[charred fern]

I reseated ram and am now getting 65: CPU DXE initialization (CPU module specific). Its been stuck for around 20 - 30 minutes. Should I reseat cpu?

also i still have yellow boot led

[potent portal]

Yeah I would reseat the cpu now

[runic spruce]

Look at the manual if u haven’t

Says what the post code means

Or u can google it with the board

[charred fern]

why would it be saying 40: System is waking up from the S4 sleep state

nows its 41. I started at 37 and keeps going up

now its 42

technically on the mobo website the storage drives and RAM I have are not supported? Could this be why?

[potent portal]

Nah

RAM maybe but that's super rare. Usually limited to things like the new 24GB sticks on older bios versions.

[charred fern]

i have f5-6000j3040G32GX2-Tz5N and it says it supports f5-6000j3040G32GX2-Tz5NR which appears to be the same stick but with RGB. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot?

[static parcel]

do you have any good benchmark videos on this i can look at?

[charred fern]

now the code is 43. Are these even real error codes?

[static parcel]

also do you have any other cases more simplistic and better airflow possibly?

[potent portal]

What resolution will you be playing at?

[static parcel]

1080p

[potent portal]

Are you sure it's not a model of motherboard that uses the post code readout to display cpu core temp when it's done posting?

[charred fern]

ya know it probably is, but im getting nothing on the display and a boot led, Per the manual boot LED Indicates the booting device is not detected or fail

[potent portal]

Is the OS installed

[charred fern]

no, but shoudnt it take me to a boot screen to get to bios?

[potent portal]

It would give you a splash screen but if there's no OS it'll pop that light on

[charred fern]

the boot light?

[potent portal]

You're plugged into the GPU for the display right?

yes

[charred fern]

yes

im gonna plug in a keyboard and mash delete

[potent portal]

And the display is on the right input?

[charred fern]

yes

[potent portal]

Try using hdmi instead of dp

Some setups will be weird about that

[charred fern]

i was on the wrong input let me restart

IT WORKS I FEEL SO DUMB

lmao

[charred fern]

thats funny, thank you 🙂 🙂

[potent portal]

Sometimes it takes another brain lol

[potent portal]

You'll be mostly CPU limited so this would be fairly accurate https://youtu.be/ghZaQ3T0CRg

[charred fern]

i assumed a $1000 + monitor would default to the input that reciving signal but guess not

[weak flint]

where is the 7950x

[potent portal]

The issue there is even if it did have auto switching, you might need to enable that and it might not even detect since the bios splash is only a few seconds long

[potent portal]

It wasn't the focus of this review. They have tons of processors on the chart already and didn't want to crowd it more than it is already.

Here's from their 7800X3D review, a bit more recent

[weak flint]

nice to see 7700x higher than a 13600k

[potent portal]

Margin of error difference basically but yeah lol

[cyan ravine]

I mean, yes but also 13th gen scales better with OC if you have the option

[weak flint]

yeah but expensive mb

[cyan ravine]

Not really

B760m pg riptide goes the distance

[weak flint]

huh

[cyan ravine]

Bclk oc ftw

[weak flint]

me trying to cope:

oc exceeds warrenty

[cyan ravine]

OC safe

Manu just don't wanna assure the dummies sticking 2v into their cpus

Lol

[weak flint]

lmfao

idk should i oc my 7700?

ah my capacitor responses suck hope they were better but ig i have to stick with it

[cyan ravine]

7700 will scale a tiny bit with pbo but you want more than a stock cooler, but will scale a LOT with ram oc if you are smart

[weak flint]

amd expo ?

[cyan ravine]

Buildzoid ez am5 timings goes a long way

Expo is blah

It just changes a couple more timings, doesn't push limits

[weak flint]

yo btw the teamforce rams you told me to get still havent gotten them 💀 i figured i would wait for these sales

[cyan ravine]

I tell a lot of people to get those vulcans

[weak flint]

no but i have a reason

[cyan ravine]

I don't remember this suggestion 💀

[weak flint]

yeah i changed pfp and username prob dont recall

[cyan ravine]

They had a sale a few days ago where they were all $53 for 32gb

They shipped too

So it was legit

[weak flint]

it turned out 150$ 5600mhz cl32 saw some gskill for 170$ 6000mhz cl30

[cyan ravine]

$150?

[weak flint]

yeah we canadians get non of that stuff

[cyan ravine]

Oh

Canada

Yeah there 150 here too

But 90 with that sale

[weak flint]

i could get it from us but like have to wait a whole lot of time for it to arrive 💀

prob black friday till then

[cyan ravine]

$20 difference gets you a slightly better ram kit but am5 is not in any position to benefit from that

Also those xmp's aren't dramatically different

[charred fern]

do u think 45C idle in bios for 7800x3d is hot? Should I add more paste?

[weak flint]

what brand should i get for that extra juice

[cyan ravine]

Seems fine

[charred fern]

lf II 420 tho

[cyan ravine]

The cheapest hynix kit which is most likely the vulcans

[cyan ravine]

The chip runs on a stock cooler. It runs hot cos of the thick ihs

More cooling ≠ more better for x3d

[charred fern]

ahh ok, if its too hot i can always add more later

[potent portal]

BIOS is not idle

[cyan ravine]

It has thermal transfer issues

[charred fern]

where would i find my m2 on the pcie x16 in bios

[potent portal]

All the power saving features are turned off in bios, and it's also running all the sensors when you're not looking at them as well as doing other things you can't see. So BIOS is not idle.

[charred fern]

got it

[potent portal]

You have an expansion card or something?

[charred fern]

yeah

im running x16 x0 x4

[potent portal]

You might need to change the operating mode of the slots if you have more than one m.2 on the pcie

[charred fern]

if i have an 4.0 gpu in the x16 does that mean I cant also have 5.0 in the 16 running in x4

[potent portal]

No they're independent of each other

But unless you've got a top tier board I doubt a lower PCIe x16 slot will be 5.0 capable

There's a lot of signaling issues that make that very expensive

[celest horizon]

Surprisingly, putting 4 mixed 3.0/4.0 drives in a 4x x4 riser let them each run at their rated speed when bifurcated

[charred fern]

i have the ace

can I raid0 on one running in gen 4 and one running in gen 5

[potent portal]

Yes but you'll lose performance that way

They'll only be as fast as the slower drive x2, minus some overhead

[charred fern]

it clearly states that PCI_E3 Gen PCIe 5.0 supports up to x4 (From CPU) but only gives me auto and gen 1 - 4

[celest horizon]

Very few people should be raid0'ing their drives either in bios or windows these days

[potent portal]

Yeah the ace qualifies as top tier

[charred fern]

should I not raid0?

[potent portal]

You won't get any benefit from it at all unless you're planning on doing huge 8k video rendering

[charred fern]

i saw a video that shows it improves load time slightly

but then again on gen 5 is that really needed?

[potent portal]

Load times for what

[charred fern]

games

not by much, but a small increase

[potent portal]

There's about a 0.1 second difference going from gen 3 to gen 4 in most games

[charred fern]

but going from gen 3 to raid gen 5 ehhh

[potent portal]

0.2 seconds in that case

[charred fern]

LETS GO

[potent portal]

Assuming the extra latency from raid doesn't hurt it

[charred fern]

it showed that raw mb/s was faster but they didnt show actual load times for some reason

[potent portal]

Because there's no real difference

Margin of error in many cases

[charred fern]

ahh ok

so no raid0 for me. Although I do want to see if I can get my 2nd drive on gen 5

maybe the m1 slot takes some pcie lanes from the cpu?

[potent portal]

Normally the top M.2 slot feeds off the CPU

[charred fern]

but idk why its not letting me put pcie_3 slot on gen 5

[potent portal]

Is your expansion card 5.0 rated

[charred fern]

yes

msi dual... got it off ebay haha

[potent portal]

"Auto" usually sets it to the max, you can see when you install windows

[charred fern]

ok ill give it a shot, cheers!

[ornate solstice]

can someone send me a list of parts to upgrade my pc

r7 3700x
msi rx 5700xt
asrock b550m pro4
antec neo eco 600w 80plus gold
16gb ddr4
cougar mx 330 (not mesh)

price limit 1.5k-2k

[potent portal]

Are you near a microcenter?

[ornate solstice]

sadly no

[potent portal]

Dang so no 5600X3D

[ornate solstice]

i wish i was

yeah sadly no

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8LPwMb

[potent portal]

I had a very similar idea https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KpHPbK

I think the memory was the only difference lol

I know 3600 doesn't really do much on the X3D over 3200 but still, it's only a few bucks more

[mossy venture]

Yeah either is a great choice

Tbh new case wouldn't be a bad idea, I dont think you'll be able to fit front case fans in the mx330 with that gpu, but I could be wrong

[little osprey]

Between these two boards, what would y’all recommend?

Still waiting on the Amazon credit from my return, so it’s possible I’ll get it a little bit before Prime Day

But until then I have my eyes on these two boards

[static parcel]

thank you g

[static parcel]

gaming related?

like any videos mostly gameplay?

[potent portal]

What games?

[static parcel]

Apex legends, miles moralise, valorant

Etc

Maybe fortnite

[potent portal]

This one covers all of those https://youtu.be/tKraYHUMm4k

This one is a lot more broad but also more detailed https://youtu.be/TsWBTPYmr4U

(7600 = 7600X effectively)

Most people testing with these specs do so at 1440p or 4k since those are more relevant to the 4070

[static parcel]

Alr thx

[mossy venture]

For price difference, first

[mossy venture]

This is also an option, iirc z790s handle memory oc better than z690s https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xXxRsY/gigabyte-z790-ud-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-ud-ax

[vague oracle]

Gigabyte board for ram OC

The amount of times I set 7400 MT/s in bios and then go into windows and run ycruncher VST and other tests and says it’s stable after a 2 hour run

Only for it to not actually set 7400

Or not setting timings to what I set them to

And RTTs maxing out at 160 and not 240

[sharp temple]

I just bought one Deepcool performance fan fc120. Does it need the sata cable to work?

Because it has a pwm and rgb connection.

[mossy venture]

no

sata is for some storage

[sharp temple]

Sata isn't only needed for storage sometime it is used to carry power to other devices. I am wonder8ng if it's needed to run the fan.

[mossy venture]

no

[noble sinew]

Guys did I put too much paste?

[sharp temple]

Then why does it have a sata power connection

[mossy venture]

i think for a fan hub?

[sharp temple]

If you add too much the only thing that goes bad is if you ever need to remove the cpu there will be lots of thermal paste to clean up

[noble sinew]

Ahh i was scared it’ll somehow fill the cpu and damage it 😅

I took only a little out but I think it’ll be fine now

[sharp temple]

Nope

[charred fern]

if its conductive it can. But this is thermal paste, not liquid metal, so unless it says its conductive, ur fine

i got some paste on my cpu pads somehow, 99% isopropl alc ftw!

[noble sinew]

Guys, so my msi b450 gaming plus max motherboard doesn’t support argb, what would be the cheapest hub to get it working for 1 fan? And what poet would I plug that hub into?

[little osprey]

Was eying that board NGL

Do you think 13600K/13700K are gonna drop in price by a bit for Prime Day or Newegg’s thing?

[mossy venture]

13600k or kf maybe

[little osprey]

Is it much better than the 12600K/12700K?

[mossy venture]

5800x vs 5800x3d

good bit

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BCF5CZ16

$290 right now

What would you think it'd drop to if it were on sale?

[mossy venture]

260

[charred fern]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GVM48d/intel-core-i5-13600kf-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071513600kf its was at $260 about a month ago

[little osprey]

Worth spending the extra bit for it if the opportunity comes around?

[mossy venture]

yeah imo

[little osprey]

I'll have to see

[mossy venture]

I'd say worth $40 over $220 12700kf

[little osprey]

Oh just realized

14 cores

That's dope

I only have 4

[mossy venture]

yeah, 4 extra e cores over 12600kf

[noble sinew]

Woah this aftermarket cpu fan is amazing. I went from 85-92C under load to 64-70C under load 100%

I’ll never go stock ever again since ik about the Thermalright Assassin X120 now

[little osprey]

Is 64GB of DDR5 overkill for a 12700K and 3060 Ti/2080 Ti system?

[potent portal]

Yes. That's at the point where having that much memory actually hurts performance.

[little osprey]

Wait that can happen?

[potent portal]

Yes. More memory means more work for the memory controller, which means slower memory.

[little osprey]

Also why are 64GB kits $210 minimum when a decent 32GB kit can be found for $70-$80?

[potent portal]

Higher density chips

Go for 48GB if you feel you need more than 32GB

2x 24GB kits will run about as fast as 2x 16GB

Seby showed the world that at the g.skill competition when he got a 24GB stick to run over 11,000 MT/s

[little osprey]

I have no clue

I just like to run Spotify and Discord in the background

I think the 64GB kit was purely out of curiosity

[potent portal]

32GB is more than most people need still

You could still get away with 16GB on DDR5 but it's worse memory so we don't recommend it

[little osprey]

So for a 7800X3D gaming build it'd be unproductive, but with something like the 13900KS or something it'd be useful?

[little osprey]

I'm gonna try to learn how to memory tune with that Team Group T-Create kit

[potent portal]

If that KS is being used for production workloads that use a ton of memory, like huge blender renders, then yeah

[little osprey]

Hmmm okay

[potent portal]

But 48GB is still the limit of capacity/performance ratio

[little osprey]

Do they come in two 24GB sticks or what?

[potent portal]

Yes

It's weird I know lol

[little osprey]

Yikes

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vCdG3C/gskill-ripjaws-s5-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-5600-cl40-memory-f5-5600j4040d24gx2-rs5k

Not cheap either

At least compared to some other decent stuff

[potent portal]

Cost/performance 32GB is still best

[little osprey]

Yeah would've thought so

Don't think I've ever heard of 24GB DIMM's before

So I'm assuming they're still being refined

[mossy venture]

its new to ddr5

[potent portal]

They're new as of this year. And they're actually pretty decent

[mossy venture]

but it works well

[potent portal]

DDR5 in general is still being refined. The jedec spec technically goes up to 8000 but nothing runs that out of the box.

[noble sinew]

I wonder if DDR6 is really coming out in 2025

[obsidian wigeon]

yes, only in terms of specs

but not actual release of mass production

ddr5 existed long before 2022 actually, just in the form of early specs and evaluation

[noble sinew]

Hmm, maybe when I build a pc in 2030, ddr6 may have been mass produced already

[potent portal]

I give it til 2027 actually. It's been about a 5-6 year cycle historically.

[leaden mauve]

@static parcel I APPROVE OF YOUR PFP BROTHER

[ornate solstice]

Thank you both for the help @mossy venture

will my mobo work with this as well or would i need to change it

[manic cloak]

is that msi 6750xt gaming x trio any good?

329.99

[cyan ravine]

Depends on the price of a 6700xt

[little osprey]

this is the pice that the 6700xt is at my country

[static parcel]

YEEEEE!!!

[mossy venture]

Mobo will work

[trail flame]

After I complete my new computer I am not certain what I will do to my old laptop. Would rather sell it so someone who would use it rather than put it in an E-waste bin.

I have the original box it came in too.

Not that anyone wants that

[little osprey]

Wipe the drives, give the laptop a good cleaning, take some nice photos, and then list it at a reasonable price

[burnt spruce]

is the temp heat of 76750 xt gigabyte is okay ?

I saw in youtube it hits around 70c

[trail flame]

Yeah it has a gtx 1060 and 16gb of ram so im sure someone would want it.

[mossy venture]

70c is more than safe

[frigid carbon]

Thinking about purchasing a Corsair hx1000 on hardware swap for $75. Is it safe?

[cyan ravine]

Depends how old

[runic spruce]

Isn’t there like PayPal buyer protection or something

[frigid carbon]

Pmd for condition but still waiting on reply

[burnt spruce]

Is 6750xt better than 3060ti?

[little osprey]

Yeah no question about it

For gaming at least

It's VRAM is nice

12GB compared to 8GB

[cyan ravine]

It all depends on price

Always

[little osprey]

Well I was about to say yeah

One will offer more than the other depending on the price

[burnt spruce]

Asus tuf 3060 ti 3 fan 436usd
Gigabyte 6750xtis 406usd

[little osprey]

Those are horrible prices

Like you can get those cheaper brand new

[burnt spruce]

Ya its bnew . Its expensive in my country. I'm not from US

[little osprey]

Ooooooh

That explains it

Well to cause less confusion it'd be better for you to use your local currency

[burnt spruce]

So still get 6750xt right?

[burnt spruce]

Its fine

[cyan ravine]

Between those ye

6700XT would be way better if it's way cheaper

[static parcel]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nymYpH

going for this build

any advice?

[runic spruce]

Maybe try getting a 7900xt

[weak flint]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Mwh4Xy

if you could get like £50 off or spend it you could also go for the 2TB ssd

you get a good enough cooler with the non x besides its not that much of a performance boost

cheaper better psu

the ram cl32 is still hynix made so its good enough

and better gpu

[cyan ravine]

Dis mans is smart

Here's a slight adjustment to that to fit the 2TB. The list above is really good though
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/P7w9xs

Or this for white/wifi
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/WL7fKp

[serene onyx]

First build is about to go crazy

[weak flint]

W

enjoy the experience

[serene onyx]

So excited

Thanks

I'm still waiting for my ram, and ssd to arrive. They get delivered later today

[weak flint]

niceee

[serene onyx]

Oh yeah

[weak flint]

first time ?

[serene onyx]

Yeah

First time build

[weak flint]

oo nice you can watch some tips on yt till your ssd and ram arrive

[serene onyx]

I need too

[weak flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEA0_upu4sQ

[serene onyx]

Ima do that rn

Oh, nvm thanks

[weak flint]

optimum tech very good youtuber

[serene onyx]

Ima binge watch the videos

[weak flint]

write anything down if you feel it will help dont wanna finish it and realize you missed somethin 😅

[serene onyx]

Yeah 😭

If my pc has wifi, do I still need to I stall windows using a usb

[weak flint]

yes you still need to install windows from a usb

[serene onyx]

Oh

Well uhm

This is gonna be a problem

😭

[weak flint]

Why?

[serene onyx]

I don't got another computer

Or a usb

[weak flint]

damn

[serene onyx]

I'll see if I can use my jobs laptop for this

[weak flint]

you can flash iso files from your phone but you'd need a usb-c flash or a usb-c dock

i cant garentuee windows though since its a bit funky with how they have their iso flashing

[serene onyx]

Ima have to go to Walmart later on then

Ima have to watch a whole tutorial

[weak flint]

walmart should have a disk or flash drive for windows.

[serene onyx]

I hope so

Yeah, ima have to go to Walmart soon