building-and-recc-chat

[regal shard]

1440p 32 inch the the same ppi as a 1080p 24 inch. Which is still good

[tawny violet]

Sure it's "just a 1080p" TV from almost a decade ago
But it works and it's not too bad image quality when I'm in the other end of my room

[regal shard]

But it won’t look better

[tawny violet]

So yeah
I'm used to low ppi screens
It doesn't really bother me rn

[south cliff]

well if you saw a diffrent monitor next to t i bet you would change your opinion'

[tawny violet]

Yes.
But that's luxury for me rn lel

It'll be okay as a starting point
And I can get a better screen down the line

[regal shard]

Dw about it fps is more important anyways

[tawny violet]

Tbf if I can make a choice
I'd want to buy an at least decent screen
Would be dumb otherwise, why buy something terrible when you can spend about the sake for something half decent?

[south cliff]

you could get a monitor from a thrift shop and im not joking i got a 32 inch ultra wide for 30 dollars

but its like 2560x1080

75 hz

[tawny violet]

Thrift stores don't really have electronics here

[south cliff]

ah

[tawny violet]

Those usually end up in more specialist shops

Who charge a lot more

[south cliff]

goodwill?

[tawny violet]

Not in the USA

I'm Hungarian

[south cliff]

ok

my bad

[tawny violet]

We don't get anything nice

It's alright

[regal shard]

Lol ooof

[south cliff]

well if its working for you why change it

[tawny violet]

But yes
I don't really trust private sellers and shops overcharge on used screens

[south cliff]

now

[regal shard]

Yeah and you don’t know what they did with it

[tawny violet]

Cuz the laptop I'm using is just terrible and I want to get a desktop that I can actually upgrade and maintain so it lasts

[regal shard]

Can you not get one rn?

[south cliff]

upgrade your laptop

[tawny violet]

It's close to 9 years old by now
And even when it was brand new it was entry-level

[south cliff]

oh

get more ram

i bet it would help

[tawny violet]

i3-5005U
Upgraded to 8Gb of RAM and a 480gb SSD

[south cliff]

thats pretty bad

[tawny violet]

It's literal dogwater by now yes

[south cliff]

well just hold on until you can get a desktop

[tawny violet]

And it's rattling in the fan
And the hinges literally had to be screwed back into the broken plastic housing

[south cliff]

do you have a local marketplace like facebook marketplace

[tawny violet]

It's falling apart
But it still works enough to get me by until I can get a desktop

[tawny violet]

It's complicated

I'm still a uni student so I don't have a proper job yet
So I'll need mom's help to get a desktop
And she refuses to buy ANYTHING used that's PC parts

Tbf she's not tech-savvy

So my idea was to buy a very basic system that can be upgraded a lot later (hence me choosing AM4 cuz later I can score a used 5800X3D despite AM4 being a dead platform)

But even a dead platform will serve me well until I have a secure income and the ability to buy then-current gen stuff to upgrade

[south cliff]

Am4 dead platform?

[tawny violet]

It's not gonna get new processors more than likely

[south cliff]

most amd users are still on am4

like almost all

[tawny violet]

It's still very capable
But not gonna be updated anymore

Still
It's definitely good enough for me and it's affordable-ish

Something like a 5700G can be had for 220 bucks or so (about 70k HUF)

[south cliff]

if am4 is a dead platform then my 12600k is on a dead platform because it wont receive updates?

[tawny violet]

And that's an 8 core CPU with a decent iGP

[tawny violet]

Technically yes

[south cliff]

no

[tawny violet]

I believe that is what a "dead platform" is

[south cliff]

am2 is considered a dead platform

am3 is almost there

am4 no

[tawny violet]

tbf I don't feel like I need to really upgrade from a 5700G for anything short of an 80-class or 900-class unless I can snag a cheap 5800X3D

[south cliff]

you already have a 5700G?

[tawny violet]

5700G is like such a good thing for someone with a tight budget/when GPUs are scalped to hell and back

[south cliff]

amd gpus are really good price

[tawny violet]

Not yet, but I do intend to get a config with one

[south cliff]

how much is it where you are

[tawny violet]

At least they're not scalped that hard anymore

[tawny violet]

6700 XT is cheaper than a 3060 Ti here
By like 10%

[south cliff]

thats really good

6700xt is a rtx 3070

and better in most cases

[tawny violet]

Though DLSS and Shadowplay are pretty major

[south cliff]

you wont use those

[tawny violet]

As well as RT (if you use it)

[tawny violet]

DLSS? I probably would ngl

[south cliff]

if you play a game that supports it

[tawny violet]

Shadowplay is super handy for anyone

RT sure isn't that important but eh

[south cliff]

100 dollars for dlss and ray tracing?

and 6700xt has more vram

but if your on a budget ray tracing shouldnt even be on your mind

[tawny violet]

The 3060 Ti is 210k-230k HUF
The 6700XT is between 190k-210k HUF (both depending on manufacturer, factory overclocks and particular store markups)

[south cliff]

omg

650 dollars for a 3060 ti

[tawny violet]

That's Hungarian pricing for you

[south cliff]

600 for a 6700xt

we can get a 6900xt for that

[tawny violet]

Ikr?

[south cliff]

how much is a 6600xt

one of the best price to performance cards on the market right now

[tawny violet]

Lemme check rq

[tawny violet]

Around 150k HUF on the low end
Some go all the way up to 200k HUF

It's actually stupid

[south cliff]

so around 170k

[tawny violet]

For a better one

"Better"
A triple fan cooler one anyway

But yes

170k-180k average price

As I said
Actually stupig

[south cliff]

holy

485

[tawny violet]

771,799 HUF
Fir that

Around 2000 USD for a 5900X+6900XT based build

[south cliff]

yeah you can get a 13600kj and a 4070 ti for that

[tawny violet]

And that's a relatively cheap prebuilt here

For the performance I mean

[south cliff]

500 for a 6600xt is so crazy

my friend got a 6600 for 200 or 230 becasue he wanted to get new and not used

[tawny violet]

Here is what I am salivating over

CPU
AMD Ryzen 7 5700G BOX (with Wraith Stealth cooler)
70 890 Ft

Motherboard
ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI)
84 990 Ft

Case
CORSAIR 4000D Airflow Black
63 890 Ft

GPU
ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 3070 OC
251 790 Ft

Memory
Kingston Fury 32GB Renegade DDR4 3600MHz CL16 KIT KF436C16RB1K2/32
38 490 Ft

PSU
EVGA B5 750W
49 990 Ft

SSD
CRUCIAL 1TB P3 M.2 PCIe M.2 2280 CT1000P3SSD8
23 890 Ft

HDD
SEAGATE BarraCuda 2TB 3.5" 7200rpm 256MB SATA ST2000DM008
18 291 Ft

Monitor
AOC 27G2SPAE/BK
72 490 Ft

Mouse+keyboard
ASUS TUF Gaming K1 + M3 Combo Hungarian
27 290 Ft

@south cliff the price tag makes me want to cry

679,671 HUF

[south cliff]

thats terrible

[tawny violet]

As is my lífe ngl

[south cliff]

dont get the 3070

[tawny violet]

I'm almost tempted to just ditch the GPU for now and see what comes out next year or 2 years from now

Or get a 6600XT for now (depending on whether it's in stock)

Hopefully snag up a 3080 used for 200k HUF

A year or 2 from now on

[south cliff]

6600xt wont disappoint especially when your coming off of the laptop

[tawny violet]

I mean
5700G
With a 3080 and a 1440p 144hz screen

Would be a pretty baller setup

[south cliff]

yeah but 2 years later the 3080 will be almost 5 years old

[tawny violet]

Eeehh

[south cliff]

will be better options by then

[tawny violet]

Fair
We'll see what comes out then

But for now, I suppose a 6600XT would be good

What's that competing against?

3060 non-Ti?

[south cliff]

3060 ti is a little faster by like 5-8 fps in some games

but the price makes it a better choice

[tawny violet]

Yeah, 6600XT it is then

And if Nvidia comes down in price next gen (and I have money to upgrade)
I might go with them at that time

[south cliff]

what games you play

[tawny violet]

Rn
Basically nothing actually demanding

[south cliff]

csgo

[tawny violet]

OG MW2, EU4 and so on

Cuz I have an almost 9 years old dual-core i3

[south cliff]

i understand

[tawny violet]

And an almost 9 year old laptop GPU

But I do wanna play BF1, GTA 5, Fallout 4 just to name a few

Basically lots of games
Too many to list here

[south cliff]

yeah you will be happy with the 6600xt

then

it will get you pretty high fps

wait how much was the 6700xt?

[tawny violet]

Maybe not 160+, but over 100 at 1080p would be great

[tawny violet]

About 200k HUF
110-130k for the 6600XT

[south cliff]

oh then yeah get the 6600xt

[tawny violet]

ASUS DUAL-RX6700XT-12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB GDDR6 PCIE
202k HUF

[south cliff]

yeah almost 600 for a 6700xt and 350 for a 6600xt is alot better price to performance

[tawny violet]

I'll probably get something in this price range of GPUs when I buy the 1440p 144hz monitor as an upgrade

Which would happen way down the road

[south cliff]

yeah

6600xt will be a great upgrade from what you on

[tawny violet]

Here is the whole build

The 6650XT is in stock rn

And plz don't chastise me for the x570
I couldn't find a B550 motherboard that has wifi+BT and I NEED BT for my headphones

[south cliff]

change the keyboard and mouse to something diffrent

[tawny violet]

That's more or less a placeholder since I was told I'd get it for my birthday

[south cliff]

100 percent keyboards are kinda annoying

[tawny violet]

I like the numpad

I actually prefer having it
Yes I am kind of a psychopath who logs in with a numerical code typed exclusively on the numpad hehehehe

But yes keyboard and mouse are whatever realy

The rest okay for an entry-level setup at least?

[south cliff]

yes its a pretty nice setup

your gonna have to get mroe fans

[tawny violet]

Kinda overspec'd the PSU but that's for a future GPU upgrade

[tawny violet]

I can order Arctic P12 A-RGB 3-packs for dirt cheap

[south cliff]

yeah then it woould look nice but the case will have a bunch of empty room

but for furture its a great option

for airflow

[tawny violet]

And that's not any immediate concern since the case comes with 2 fans which should be good if I put them to the front and cram air into the case until I can get the fans to fill it

Again
It'll do until I get money in

I'll probably also get an AK620 when I buy the fans

[south cliff]

idk on my other pc that im seling i just had one at top and one at back and was getting around 73 on cpu when i put 2 at front it went down to 60

[tawny violet]

Y'know sure the Wraith cooler is okay
But an AK620 would be a lot better

[south cliff]

wraith should be fine and it has rgb

[tawny violet]

So yes
That config in the images initially
Then add an AK620 and 6 P12 fans (probably half A-RBG, the other half just plain black for the back and the top)
Then GPU and monitor upgrade (probably a used 80-class Nvidia card at that time)

I would consider going with a 360 Liquid Freezer II A-RBG
But pricy

[south cliff]

ak620 looks nice

foor a air cooelr

[south cliff]

yes get a air ooler

[tawny violet]

If I can find one super cheap (either discounted or used)
I'll probably get a Liquid Freezer II down the line
But initially the 620 will be just fine

[south cliff]

not just fine it will do you really good proboably dont even need to upgrade

unless you want esthetics

[tawny violet]

Again
That's why I don't want a laptop
You'd be stuck with what you initially buy with a laptop
You can modify and upgrade a desktop

[south cliff]

yes

[tawny violet]

I'm sick and tired of suffering with my laptop
Sure modern ones are pretty good
But they'll never have the modularity and repairability of a true desktop

If anything breaks in a desktop
You can fix it

A laptop is not so easy

[south cliff]

but the most thing people buy laptops is because of portability

[tawny violet]

Ik

And idgaf about portability
I want it to perform and be reliable as an old Cummins diesel

[south cliff]

so true i remeber when i had a old optiplex 790 i wanna see if i can find a picture it was soooo bad

[tawny violet]

Oh yeah those were hilarious

Feel free to DM it to mr

Me sleep nao

[south cliff]

but i kept upgrading it until i am where i am now

i used to play behind my tv i have in my guest house

this was so long ago

it also took me like 2 month to figure out how to download windows

[fading acorn]

sorry just seeing this now they are connected to the uni hubs. i’ve tried 2 different fan hubs so i know it’s not that. but it’s also connected to rgb headers on my motherboard, sata power, and the 2 different usb headers on my motherboard.

[frigid night]

Are they connected to the RGB headers or the ARGB headers?

[fading acorn]

these guys

[potent portal]

There's both kinds of RGB there which one are you talking about

DLED_2 is argb and LED_C2 is rgb

[fading acorn]

the one with brg 12v

[potent portal]

And you had the uni fans right?

Pretty sure that's the wrong header and you may have killed the RGB. I think the uni fans were 5V argb, which would use the other header.

[frigid night]

I'm gonna go on a limb and say maybe not have killed the RGB. I only say this because they are connected to the UNI HUB which is powered by SATA, so the only thing that would try to go through from the header is the color signal, which would hit the hub first. Since wrong signal (or even no signal because pin layout), HUB wasn't doing anything. I doubt any damage was done.

But def, Uni Fans are 5v argb

[potent portal]

There is the possibility it's fine but if that 5V line was connected at all to 12V through the controller, even for an "I exist" signal, there's a decent chance something fried

[frigid night]

That is true.

[fading acorn]

i mean the rgb works it just the usb headers aren’t reading anything i’m putting into them

so i can’t change the color

wait nvm it’s in the 3 pin my fault i was at work

[dusty cedar]

Arguable. If by fix you mean replaceable, then sure. But you can also replace things in a laptop. It's just not as easy.

[potent portal]

Ok if it's in the 3 pin that's good, you can just use RGB software, either the gigabyte one or openrgb, to change the patterns. No need for the USB.

[potent portal]

80% of most laptop's parts are soldered to the mainboard so sure it can be replaced, but it'll cost as much as a new laptop.
Desktops also get individual warranties on parts in case of failures.

[earnest olive]

depends on what kind of replacing we're talking about

you could do board level repairs instead of just replacing the whole mainboard

replace a capacitor or replace a cpu? lol

most people would have to go to a repair shop for either though

[potent portal]

Especially since most laptop repairs would void the warranty on the entire laptop

[cyan ravine]

Also warranties exist

You know what you wrote that

[potent portal]

Yes. You get what, 2 years warranty on a laptop, for the whole thing?

[cyan ravine]

I just woke up have mercy

[earnest olive]

my laptop only had 1 year warranty

[dusty cedar]

Yeah depends what it is. Thats all I was saying. Something is wrong with mine so instead of bothering to troubleshoot and fix it I built a whole pc instead

[earnest olive]

the 0 key started double pressing right after the warranty expired

oh well

i don't use the keyboard much

[potent portal]

Sounds about right. Built just well enough to survive the warranty period.

[earnest olive]

the keyboard is just a glorified rgb strip

[potent portal]

Phones do the same thing too

[dusty cedar]

When it dies completely I'm going to take my ssd out of it and it's going straight into my pc

[obsidian wolf]

Yeah

[obsidian wolf]

Based

Tbh that was me

But I ended up fixing the laptop

And getting a computer as well

Since it was a long goal of mine

To build my own computer

Even before the pandemic

The first one to build a computer in my friend group was a fiend of mine who ended up building an i5 9th gen with the 1080

[potent portal]

A fiend eh? What kind? An imp?

[obsidian wolf]

Lmao

It was back

During the pandemic

His uncle help him build it

And yes he’s the shortest out all of us

The second to get an actual computer end up paying in 2021 around 1000 or 1100

For a 2060 with an i5 10th gen I believe so

He had the fastest computer out all of us

Now I did mine and mine is fastest

But my friend who bought the pre build

Is doing an all white build this summer

Probably with the 4090

But I am sticking to Radeon

I am going for the full red/black concept

I will probably soon switch the 6950 for the xtx

Was thinking about the red devil

But

At that point might as well get a black 4090

🥴

[potent portal]

I'd do a Radeon build right now too if I were building

Just better value and no real feature loss

[obsidian wolf]

It seems like the best option at this point tbh

All the way from the 6600 to the xtx builds

Radeom just rules

The market in price competitiveness

[obsidian wolf]

Forgot to mention I ended up helping another one choose a pre build from micro but he ended up being upset about it because it was around 1600$ back in summer 2021 for a 3060 build which I completely understand however it was kinda the best back then

But his ram it is till this day absolute a*s

2666

But I told him he could upgrade that down the line

[potent portal]

That's about what I'd expect on prebuilt

[obsidian wolf]

Back them I knew my fair knowledge

But not as much as I have learned nowadays

I always come here LMao to ask the question

[potent portal]

If that was the 10th gen computer you might actually not be able to upgrade the RAM

[obsidian wolf]

I dont even know why I left

This server

[obsidian wolf]

I think is an 11th gen

It was one of micro builds

Back them with good cpu good gpu

But bad stuff everything else

Bad ram

Bad mobo

[potent portal]

Make sure it's a B560 and not B460 then. B560 can overclock memory and use XMP.

[obsidian wolf]

I gotta help him with that but hey he hasn’t complain in a long while

He went into being whatever is the highest rank

Is

Apex with that build

So I guess he ended up setting and liking it

And then we have my other me

This friend went and tried to do the best build possible with 2000$ last year

But when he went to turning on his computer after building it

It didn’t even turned on

🤣😭

He had to go to micro and pay a fee for them to fix it

I think he ended up burning something in his mobo

That caused to not work

And now we have the outlier and the one that always say he will build one

The outlier is the one who bought a laptop with me back in 2021

And the other one promised me he would build it but since he has to work so much he just doesn’t feel he will get a lot out of building a computer at this point but he said that when he’s going to build it he’s gonna come and pick me up and we are going to build it together

[oak jay]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/blenderman52/saved/ffrTMp any recommendations for an upgrade path with this that also puts it in a smaller case?

[earnest olive]

you could start by upgrading the part list from private to public

[oak jay]

oh mb

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QswbbK

[earnest olive]

you'd have to do a motherboard swap to get a smaller case

[coral scroll]

what cpu and motherboard do u guys reccomend for an entry level pc

[tawny violet]

I'd recommend going AMD for the GPU
6600XT is quite good and a LOT cheaper

[earnest olive]

he already has that

he's asking for upgrade recommendations

hard to say without budget and how important it is to have a smaller case for him

cause the most cost effective cpu upgrade would involve keeping the same motherboard

but the motherboard cannot go into a smaller case

[dusky pulsar]

should i get a 13700kf

[cyan ravine]

That depends

[potent portal]

B660 something or other, preferably one with VRM heatsinks so you can upgrade later, and a 12100

[zenith cargo]

@potent portal ima try to oc my cpu in the bios

any tips?

[obsidian wigeon]

what cpu do you have?

if it's ryzen, use pbo

manual ocing on ryzen causes degradation

[zenith cargo]

Ryzen 6 5800x

7*

bruh its says I can hit 5ghz but it never does

why

even on cinebench

it goes up to 4.6

idk bout pcs

😵‍💫

[obsidian wigeon]

don't use that program honestly

i meant pbo as in inside the bios

[zenith cargo]

ik

I looked at a bunch of vids changing settings but I dont wanna mess up

[left willow]

is an optiplex 7020 sff compatible with the rx 580?

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

it doesn't fit any gpus

[potent portal]

That's for a single core in optimal conditions

[left willow]

really?

[potent portal]

You can make those conditions happen more often by undervolting and using curve optimizer

[potent portal]

The only GPU that's fitting in here is a low profile single slot one

[left willow]

somethin like an gtx 1030 then?

right

[potent portal]

Specific models of 1030 even

[left willow]

ill run one of those tests that determine what gpu ur pc needs then, i just hope to get a better setup in the future lol

[mossy venture]

That won't tell you the size of gpu it needs

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[jagged ember]

That's not going to tell you if the gpu physically fits in the case

I'd be more concerned with that in an optiplex case

You could run a pcie extension but that's just dumb lol

Cause then it'd be outside the case

[potent portal]

At least it's PCIe 3.0 but I'd also be worried about the 255W power supply

Maybe not an issue with a 1030 but if you did go the extension route... probably want an external power supply too at that point

[cyan ravine]

Get a cheap riser then a thicker GPU that's compatible and low power

[unreal grove]

Building a pc budget 1500$ is this ok?
Shared List https://newegg.io/462e74b8

[tawny fiber]

Could probably opt for a cheaper cpu and a stronger gpu

[unreal grove]

Hmm

Is having a better gpu good?

[tawny fiber]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

I'd do that whole list differently, one moment

Like this @unreal grove
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wyMNd9

[unreal grove]

Thanks!

[fossil cedar]

Itx board ewww

[cyan ravine]

Room for a different case if you don't like the look

[cyan ravine]

Ur eww

But I still be ur friend

[fossil cedar]

Lol

[cyan ravine]

[fossil cedar]

Id do this instead @unreal grove
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/X7xM9r

[unreal grove]

[fossil cedar]

Actually changed cooler slightly

[unreal grove]

Yeah I did want it to be atx/matx wifi thanks

[cyan ravine]

PA SE is fine now pato

They've revised it

[fossil cedar]

Ah okay

[cyan ravine]

Also don't do a B board and toss the z features lol

[fossil cedar]

Most people won't cpu oc anyway

[cyan ravine]

The asrock itx is good up to 12600k

[fossil cedar]

Also z board costs mkre

[cyan ravine]

10$ for oc worth

[unreal grove]

Yeah I don't think I'll do cpu oc yet, still new to pc

[fossil cedar]

And has hardly any io

[cyan ravine]

Ur hardly any io

Only 5 holes

Ooo g360a back on sale

Pogchampers

[fossil cedar]

Actually could do this and get best of both worlds for 20$ more, plus more io etc @unreal grove
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GX8Bk9

[fossil cedar]

G360a normal price is 100 wdym

[unreal grove]

Sick

Appreciate it dudes

[fossil cedar]

Only time I'd get 4070 ti over 7900xt at the same price is if ray tracing or rendering is a main concern or machine learning is being done

No problem

[cyan ravine]

I agree with this list

Pato is the stonks today

[fossil cedar]

[tawny fiber]

More vram 👍

[jagged ember]

I like how that's your only metric now after a dude tinfoil hatted himself after seeing 5 unoptimized games

[obsidian wigeon]

It's getting old quickly too

[jagged ember]

True

If that truly was your own metric though, shoulda gone for an amd card bro

[tawny violet]

Hold on a freaking second

Is the 6650XT really within like 10% of a 6700XT at 1080p???

while being like 30% cheaper

cuz that seems too good to be true

[obsidian wigeon]

it is lol

radeon makes gpus like that

lots of skus with step in perf

[cyan ravine]

Can we take a note that the noctua 4080 costs more than a standard 4090

[obsidian wigeon]

whoa really?

well no reason to get the noctua then

moar vram for less than noctua gpu, that's the goal there right? have most vram for money

[languid nimbus]

Oh geez

$1,649

that’s insane dude

so 4090 noctua $3000 lol

[fossil cedar]

A lot closer to 20% ish diff

[fossil cedar]

Jfc why

[obsidian wigeon]

cause yes

noctua tax

[cyan ravine]

Imagine paying 649 more than any XTX for worse performance 💀

[languid nimbus]

kek

[obsidian wigeon]

and xtx has more vram too for 600 less

isn't it great?

[languid nimbus]

but nvidia >

(somehow)

[obsidian wigeon]

all the vram for TLOU players who wants to run maxed out

(amd's sales)

[languid nimbus]

ill probably go amd in my next build, honestly

[obsidian wigeon]

im not the kinda guy who falls for tin foil hat man so nvidia is fine to me

[cyan ravine]

All amd build in 2023 sounds lit af

[obsidian wigeon]

but if radeon better value by a huge margin

radeon is the way

[languid nimbus]

Has fsr gotten any better by todays standards?

I play with dlss majority of time

[cyan ravine]

Meh

[obsidian wigeon]

not really, it's as far as non ai upscaling goes

meh at best

[tawny fiber]

4070 with 12gb vram and frame generation at 599$ sounds pretty good

[languid nimbus]

that’s the only thing really keeping me on nvidia currently

[obsidian wigeon]

but you get 16 with 6950xt at 650-670

[cyan ravine]

670*

[tawny fiber]

No frame generation there

[obsidian wigeon]

soooo

but where's that vram now?

[tawny fiber]

My gripe is with 8gb vram gpus

[obsidian wigeon]

isn't that important too?

[tawny fiber]

They are a thing of the past moving forward

[cyan ravine]

Cope+seethe+L

[obsidian wigeon]

future games are gonna eat up 12 gigs, trust

-tin foil hat

[cyan ravine]

4070 sounds like it'll still be terrible for 600

Big cut down from basically 4070ti performance

[obsidian wigeon]

if it comes out with 8 gigs vram im not too surprised

[tawny fiber]

No it's way more power efficient aswell

[cyan ravine]

No one cares about efficiency

[obsidian wigeon]

it will still be big cut down from 4070ti perf

cuz nvidia can do that

at best im expecting around 3080 perf, no more

[cyan ravine]

If you get 20% more perf for the same $ people will go with the better perf

My guess is it's a 3080 10gb with 2gb more vram and 40 series features for 600

[obsidian wigeon]

the amount of people caring about vram is so little, like, watch how much nvidia still has in market share

[cyan ravine]

Because "oh look, same perf for 100$ less. We look good, right?"

[obsidian wigeon]

all they know is "oops, settings too high. time to lower"

[cyan ravine]

Ignoring that 70 class was marked up

Majority share will go to 60 class gpus

[obsidian wigeon]

which i presume might have 8 gigs

[cyan ravine]

Cos that's what people want

[obsidian wigeon]

which is plenty honestly

[cyan ravine]

Waiting for that $400 4060

[obsidian wigeon]

vram ain't system ram

8 gigs ram now in gaming would mean hell

been there done that

[tawny fiber]

With 12gb aswell no more 8gb moving forward

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

[cyan ravine]

Can we stop with the vram thing it's a dead horse

[obsidian wigeon]

it's a dead horse that nvidia will never care about too

[cyan ravine]

No both of you

Lol

[obsidian wigeon]

but alright

imma drop it

[tawny fiber]

If the 4070 has only 8 people have to start turning down settings immediately after buying the card

How can someone justify 8 for a 599$ card is beyond me

[obsidian wigeon]

in any case i think 4060 even at 400 will still be madly popular, no matter how disappointing it will be

aka not much faster than 3060

[cyan ravine]

Bored

[tawny fiber]

Get a 8gb card run ouf it then you will understand the pain

[cyan ravine]

I don't need to, I have a 6gb card and I just, turn down the settings

[obsidian wigeon]

me here with 850m still chugging along fine

if i can't run said game, i'll accept and move on

[cyan ravine]

Accept mediocrity with your mid card

[obsidian wigeon]

if i really like a game i will cope with shadows off

[tawny fiber]

Let's all justify Nvidia giving gamers less and saying them to turn down stuff

[obsidian wigeon]

can we drop this already

[tawny fiber]

Steve is right gamers should get more for the money

[obsidian wigeon]

i'm bored of this bs now lmao

i'll dip

[cyan ravine]

I ain't justifying crap

You bought the card, learn to live with adapting to what it can do

[tawny fiber]

https://twitter.com/SMGuy691/status/1642535557308862464?t=lC166niOrKjo0EqKQdzarQ&s=19

SMGuy (@SMGuy691)

@VideoCardz Now wait 3M for these prices to be real do not buy 750$ RTX 4070's with fake MSRP's let them be real!

If you can however find this for $600 and not 1 penny more buy it i think it's going to be the best GPU from them this gen in terms of performance per dollar

Twitter · Apr 2, 2023, 2:32 PM

[cyan ravine]

You handed jensen the money so you accept that you found the card justifiable

Why do I need to justify anything when you were the one who bought it 💀

My 3060 6gb is perfectly fine for my gaming needs, I can accept running lower settings, meanwhile 1 game for you and you run out and spend 300 on a gpu

5 minutes in the settings and you'd still be on your way to a 4070 Ti

Don't try and lump this paranoia on me like I'm on Nvidia's side, you know I lowkey shill AMD 💀

[tawny fiber]

🤷‍♂️

[cyan ravine]

Want to change Nvidia's products? Don't buy them

[tawny fiber]

They are releasing their 4th ada card still no news on more rdna3 cards

[cyan ravine]

Lol

You're diverging from the topic

[tawny fiber]

This is planned obsolescence I think everyone can atleast agree on that part

[cyan ravine]

Keep blaming the video card lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

It feels like that twitter account fr

[tawny fiber]

https://twitter.com/ayxerious/status/1642151170243432450?t=FNsLKdu_ESTpjZq-oMUlZg&s=19

Ayxerious (@ayxerious)

@MaaKor7 @HardwareUnboxed @ghost_motley @SomewhatHuman10 Also protip: Don't buy trash cards when there's an option from the competitor available with more VRAM at that same tier.

Twitter · Apr 1, 2023, 1:05 PM

From now I will abide by this

[cyan ravine]

I swear there's an echo in here

[tawny violet]

it's 1150 USD here in Hungary

Wait that's the Ti 💀

[fossil cedar]

keep in mind 4070ti "800" msrp is without tax cuz murica dont show their taxes in listed prices so its real msrp is more like 900$ real msrp

[tawny violet]

Then add import fees and secondary store profit margin and you get overpriced PC parts here

[fossil cedar]

yeah its unfortunate

but its not as bad as it sounds

[heady kayak]

it's more like 850

we don't have super high sales taxes

[fossil cedar]

900 from 800 is like 12%? that seems to be roughly the avg of what online retailers charge from what ive heard no/

[heady kayak]

the average is about 5-6%

there's some states with 0% as well

[potent portal]

California is one of the higher tax rates at around 8.5-9% depending on the area

[potent portal]

I want to live on the southern area of Washington State so I have no state income tax and I can shop in Oregon where there's no sales tax 🧠

[fossil cedar]

okay well no sales tax ~~but your hospital tax is crazy high ~~

[potent portal]

Yeah an ambulance ride will bankrupt you, even with insurance

And the best part is medical debt can't be discharged if you did file bankruptcy

[heady kayak]

my area offers free ambulances

[frigid night]

My ambulance rides are free as well.

[potent portal]

Well must be nice. I still owe $5k after insurance from the time I was hit by a car and dragged over 100ft. Completely out of my control.

[fossil cedar]

would you like to talk about the rest of the bills

anyway

[frigid night]

What bills?

[fossil cedar]

if you go to hopital

[frigid night]

I have free healthcare in murica that pays 100%

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

thats illegal

[frigid night]

Tell the government that.

[fossil cedar]

crossing the border to canada doesnt count XD

[potent portal]

I have told the government that. Funny part is everything would have been covered by the VA if they took me to that hospital but since I wasn't able to say that due to shock I had to pay almost entirely out of pocket.

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[potent portal]

Then again with all the veterans dying waiting for the VA it might not have been better

[olive cypress]

@leaden raft assuming your coil whine is probably coming from your GPU you could try some undervolting, if it is from PSU you probably can't really get rid of it, you'll have to figure out yourself how to cable manage all the stuff in your case as I can't really help on that.
https://youtu.be/zUkPAVcb9Xc

[leaden raft]

I think I need smaller cables and the whine is the gpu

[tawny violet]

NGL for 1080p the 6650XT seems pretty good
Especially when you can get it for the same price as a normal 6600XT

[gentle pollen]

I am thinking of reusing my I7-10700f as a server soon for modded MC and I was wondering how bad it would be if I used a gen 3 M.2 drive compared to a gen 4 drive for server usage? I plan to run about 2-3 servers on it.

Motherboard is Asus Tuf B460M AC Plus.

[austere mango]

what should i upgrade?

600w psu thermaltake and around 350-500USD @fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

what model psu?

and whats your upgrade budget

[vague oracle]

Eww ubm

[austere mango]

yea it is userbenchmark haha

[fossil cedar]

Yeah don't trust a thing about it btw

[austere mango]

oh really

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

!ubm

[austere mango]

i know it favors intel and nvidia alot

[fossil cedar]

?ubm

[jolly river]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[austere mango]

ah i seeee

what do you recommend i upgrade

[tawny fiber]

Gpu

[gentle pollen]

What PSU and SSD do you guys recommend I get for my game server? Thanks in advance.

Requirements:

• Amazon.com.mx
• 2TB or more
• Budget: +/- 200$ preferably less
  Server CPU is I7-10700f.

[fossil cedar]

Gpu and depending on your power supply model, possibly power supply

[fossil cedar]

No gpu? Literally anything c tier or above on the list in pins

[austere mango]

ok ty

[gentle pollen]

I mean no GPU is needed.

[fossil cedar]

Np

[gentle pollen]

I plan to install Pterodatyl on the computer so I can access it remotely with my other computers.

[fossil cedar]

Well aslong as it won't be using a gpu actively then literally any c tier

I mean you'll need A gpu since it's an f cpu but it'll use basically nothing

[gentle pollen]

I'd only maybe install my 3070 for like a little bit so I can get the OS and the such setup.

What SSD do you recommend?>

[fossil cedar]

Usually pcs won't boot without a gpu in them so you might need to grab a gt710 or something like that

[mossy venture]

nah, just buy a 4090 to get everything running and then throw it in your closet as a backup gpu

[cold maple]

Hey all I am mounting my cooler and does anyone know which side up I put these bolts on? Black side on mobo?

Sorry didn’t realize couldn’t do pic

[fossil cedar]

Uh the cheapest of team mp33 (pro)/mp34(q), any of the cardea models
Silicon power p34a60(a60)/ p34a80(a80)/ud90/us70/ud70
Wd sn550/sn570/sn750/sn770
Intel 670p
Crucial p3/p3 plus/p5
Solidigm p41 plus
Adata sx8200 pro
Mushkin pilot e
Any corsair or msi drive
Sabrent rocket

[gentle pollen]

Can't I just use my 3070 to get it to boot then take it out once I get everything setup?

[fossil cedar]

The manual for the cooler should show you how to do it

[fossil cedar]

I wouldn't unplug it live

And it probably won't boot with no gpu

[gentle pollen]

Really?

[cold maple]

Thanks the manual wasn’t clear but I think I figured it out

[fossil cedar]

Yup

[gentle pollen]

Thought I could get everything installed, close the pc, remove gpu then boot it up.

[fossil cedar]

There's a possibility it might build but

Usually doesn't boot without gpu

Of some sort

[gentle pollen]

well dang it.

"Can Intel F run without GPU?
If your Intel® Core™ Desktop Processor includes the letter F in the product line suffix, then you need to use a discrete graphics card in your system. If the integrated graphics port is used instead, the processor will not boot."

What's like the cheapest GPU I can get to make the pc boot and have visuals?

[mossy venture]

probably gt 710/730

[fossil cedar]

Or whatever you can find for cheap on the used market

[gentle pollen]

Would this work?

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Zopsc-Tarjeta-Gráfica-Frequency-Graphics/dp/B0BGMF5YR4/ref=sr_1_8?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=YX116R581NI3&keywords=graphics+card&qid=1680472104&refinements=p_36%3A-100000&rnid=9754432011&sprefix=graphics+card%2Caps%2C122&sr=8-8

[mossy venture]

sure but it isn't worth $45

[cold maple]

Is only one fan clip needed to hold the CPU cooler?

[fossil cedar]

Should be one for each side

[cold maple]

Thanks!

[gentle pollen]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/fansheng-Tarjeta-Ventilador-Refrigeración-Disipación/dp/B0BQYSNK5F/ref=sr_1_28?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=2476PRGWSNAZ7&keywords=graphics+card&qid=1680472514&refinements=p_36%3A-80000&rnid=9754432011&sprefix=graphics+card%2Caps%2C258&sr=8-28

found this just now, about 7$ cheaper

[fossil cedar]

You could have issues with drivers for a gpu that old as i don't there there's any win 10 drivers

Look on ebay?

[gentle pollen]

Guess will give Ebay a shot.

[gentle pollen]

How far back should I go then?

To avoid driver issues.

[cold maple]

So nothing happens at all when I plugged in my new PSU to the mobo. I ordered a tester but I assume that is not good

[fossil cedar]

double check that you corrected the power switch to the right pin on the motherboard

[cold maple]

I did

[cold maple]

The ATX cable was tough to put in

[fossil cedar]

the atx 24 pin is the bane of my existence

[north sequoia]

im building a pc and i dont know if my parts are compatible w each other

i had some friends help me pick out parts

[mossy venture]

send the list?

[north sequoia]

u want links?

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144305?Item=N82E16813144305
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-rtx-3060-ti-ventus-3x-8g-oc-lhr/p/N82E16814137680?Item=N82E16814137680
https://www.newegg.com/msi-mpg-a850g-pcie5-850-w/p/N82E16817701017?Item=N82E16817701017
https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i9-10900k-core-i9-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118122?Item=N82E16819118122
https://www.newegg.com/samsung-970-evo-plus-1tb/p/N82E16820147743?Item=N82E16820147743
https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331514?Item=N82E16820331514
https://www.newegg.com/nzxt-c-series-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-000T-001M2?Item=2AM-000T-001M2
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-ct-9010001-ww/p/N82E16835181166?Item=N82E16835181166
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-liquid-cooling-system-icue-h115i-elite-capellix/p/N82E16835181202?Item=N82E16835181202
https://www.newegg.com/p/3D4-000A-00021?Item=9SIBJABJR28233

[mossy venture]

can you throw the parts in a pcpartpicker.com list (if you're in the US or one of the supported countries)

[north sequoia]

alr

[mossy venture]

that takes prices from everywhere

but I can tell you already i wouldnt buy most of that

10900k is beaten by the 12400f at $160

[mossy venture]

what is your budget for the pc?

[north sequoia]

honestly i dont really have a budget

but what i know is im getting it

[potent portal]

10900k is even beaten in gaming by the 12100

[mossy venture]

getting what

and if you didn't have a budget, you'd get a 13900k and 4090 and be done with it

[north sequoia]

this is like my first pc and i dont want to go overkill

im sticking with a 3060 ti

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sDpPZw

likely cheaper than the list you made

and a good bit better

oh wait

mistake on the cooler lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j2qZNc

ag620 pointless on a 13400f, so is a pa120 se but a little less

[south cliff]

Hey quick question if i get the Alienware pc and the gpu is broken should i still keep the Alienware and put a gpu in it and resell it or send it back?

[potent portal]

That depends on the reason why it's not turning on in the first place, but it'll be hard to sell a broken case no matter what

Personally I'd be preparing to swap the mobo, case, cooler, and psu. That'll get you the best resale value.

I also happen to have extras of each of those so it wouldn't be a problem lol

[south cliff]

yeah i mean i got everything that i could use to turn it on besides the motherboard

and ram

but i dont think both ram stiks will be broken

[potent portal]

ram should be fine barring physical damage

[south cliff]

or get it working

but i could like you say buy a new case and motherboard

then it will look good

[potent portal]

Yeah it would be harder to sell the case even assuming the cooler still worked with the damage being right there on it

[south cliff]

there are 2 diffrent versions of the r10

the aio and the stock cooler i just looked at gamers nexus about it

maybe cpu overheating becasue its broken

[potent portal]

It looked like the AIO model from the pics, it looked like the radiator was visible

[south cliff]

the aio

ah ok

could i case swap with a new motherboard and case?

[north sequoia]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g7DR78

its 200 cheaper than on newegg

[mossy venture]

the list I made you is under $1100 and better

[mossy venture]

.

[north sequoia]

can u explain how its better

[mossy venture]

can get a 2tb 670p if you need another 1tb of storage

[south cliff]

i see it now

[north sequoia]

oh yea

[mossy venture]

it has an identical gpu with a cpu that performs better in both gaming and workstation tasks

for $1600 you can do a good 4070 ti build

[potent portal]

Yeah but you'll also need to change the psu, Dell uses a proprietary modified 12VO

[south cliff]

yeah gamers nexus said it was very limiting

[mossy venture]

$1700 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Yd8tzf
$1600 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TpjrNc
$1760 with monitor https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T3cD9r

@north sequoia

[north sequoia]

i can change the monitor right?

[obsidian wolf]

@earnest olive what is the best possible build for 1000$

I am breaking my head against a wall even though I shouldn't at this point but I keep seeing mistakes I make trying to find an actual quality standard gaming at 1000$

[mossy venture]

sure, but on a 4070 ti i would not go below 1440p

[potent portal]

Yes but it's hard to beat that one for the price

If you wanted to go cheaper HP X27Q is often $210, Not quite as good but still decent

[north sequoia]

oh its same res except refresh rate is different

Acer Nitro XV272U Vbmiiprx 27.0" 2560 x 1440 170 Hz Monitor $249.99 $249.99

[mossy venture]

the g27q is better, it has a better panel

[north sequoia]

same price

[mossy venture]

the 5hz is not worth the decrease in quality

[north sequoia]

can i oveclock the 144

[mossy venture]

it can do 165 with display port

[obsidian wolf]

this is what I was thinking for one of my friends who's going to do a build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g7Yjd9

But I feel it can be better

[north sequoia]

Alr thanks ill look into it

[mossy venture]

rtings is a good place to look at when looking for monitors

[north sequoia]

My list with 3060 ti also on newegg
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4t6HC6
Cheaper and Better List with 3060 ti
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j2qZNc
Ones with 4070 ti's VVVVVVVVV
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Yd8tzf
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TpjrNc
One with 4070 ti + 144hz monitor
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T3cD9r
@mossy venture if you were to rank the lists from 1-5 based on performance what would it turn out to be

[potent portal]

4090 ti doesn't exist (yet)

[mossy venture]

ye thats a 4070 ti

[north sequoia]

mb

[potent portal]

I just clicked it yep lol

[south cliff]

i don't think they will make a 4090 ti the 4090 is already on its tier of its own

[north sequoia]

just to make sure all these parts are compatible right

including the ones in my list

[mossy venture]

yes

[potent portal]

The 4090 is partially disabled as it is so all they have to do to make one is bin the chips and enable some of the disabled parts, then they can charge $2500 for it 🙃

[south cliff]

2500 is bs

they shouldnt even consider that

[potent portal]

They will though. That's basically a Titan replacement.

[south cliff]

all they want is money 500 dollars for a 5-10 percent diffrence is so crazy

even if it is 5-10 percent

[potent portal]

They're a business, ofc all they want is money. If people are willing to pay anything for the best, and they are, they'll charge whatever they want.

Some models of 4090 are already selling out at $2300

[south cliff]

white strix 4090

is beautiful tho

[south cliff]

yeah alot of people will get it for world record

[potent portal]

HoF 4090 ti for $3200 wen

[south cliff]

its just crazy thinking one gpu is worth like 3 of my entire pcs

[north sequoia]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T3cD9r
ngl i think this is pretty good for the price

its cheaper than the 3060 ti build i made

[south cliff]

motherboard only has 5 usb if thats a problem

[mossy venture]

that's more than enough for most people, case comes with a few, and can always get a usb hub if needed

[south cliff]

yeah but can get a few extra on a motherboard for not much more and not have to even worry

[frigid night]

Stock cooler is more than enough for a 12100 yeah?

[potent portal]

It's enough

Given decent airflow

[frigid night]

Being paired with a 1080 blower in a 220T

[potent portal]

As long as there's at least 2 intake fans it should be ok

[frigid night]

Alright cool

[wary tundra]

if anyone has the time I need some recommendations on a 2k to 2.5k build primarily used for art and gaming

I haven't been really into pcs for 3 years so I only know what was good then

[potent portal]

What kind of program for art?

[mossy venture]

Quick list thrown together https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mYwsDq

[wary tundra]

not very familiar with all the programs but I know mostly 2D digital art

[south cliff]

i built a pc for someone and the stock cooler gets loud just spend the 30 dollars and the temps will be alot lower and less loud

[potent portal]

So probably photoshop or a free similar program to start

[south cliff]

the temps wernt the best either

but it was stock cooler

i mean stock thermal paste

[cyan ravine]

Meh, actually no

Cpu not really a good match

See if I can do better

[wary tundra]

yes

[wary tundra]

thank you

I know absolutely nothing about intel

[south cliff]

you dont have to

[potent portal]

All you have to know is Intel tends to get along better with creative programs

[cyan ravine]

Jesus H. Christ
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DCNxFT/corsair-vengeance-rgb-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-5600-cl36-memory-cmh64gx5m2b5600c36

[potent portal]

That price graph tho

[north sequoia]

whats the difference between i5 and i9

[potent portal]

Sold directly by amazon too, must be some kind of mistake

[potent portal]

Marketing, and a few extra cores that 98% of people won't use

[north sequoia]

theres like so much good stuff to put in 1 pc

[cyan ravine]

Muh god

[north sequoia]

should i get 1 2tb ssd or 2 1tb ssds

[cyan ravine]

134$

63% off

[paper summit]

BUY IT NOW

[potent portal]

That depends, do you want to divide up the space so things are organized or just put it all in one drive and sort with folders?

[cyan ravine]

OMG THIS LIST
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rjhHC6

!!!!!

[potent portal]

^ No way it stays that price for long, gotta be a pricing error. 64GB for 32GB price.

[cyan ravine]

@wary tundra check this out

[north sequoia]

divide up

[wary tundra]

checking!

[paper summit]

frfr prob thought it was ddr4 or sum idk

[potent portal]

Revo DF 2 is B tier, they changed platforms

[cyan ravine]

Dyammit

[potent portal]

Yeah I had an in depth talk with a couple of the cultists about it too, so disappointed

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7WwsDq

[wary tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/kedi-kedii̇nşallah-insallah-inşallah-kidii̇nshallah-gif-19174071

[cyan ravine]

10$ more AHHHH

BUT IT'S SO WORTH IT

[potent portal]

Yeah that list is actually insane

Literal cream of the crop, doesn't get much better without spending WAY more for very little

[cyan ravine]

Do anything you want with no concern for the peasants

Want more rgb? Boom
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pJGCH2

3$ more

Can I shrink it under 2500

[potent portal]

If you didn't want the white PSU the NZXT C850 is also A tier

Good to have options https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YYZ9TW/nzxt-c850-2022-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-pa-8g1bb-us

[cyan ravine]

Can't shrink the list at all without big sacrifices

Ah let's fix the list and put the c850 in

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fKdR78

Boom

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-gif-21621168

[obsidian wolf]

Which?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/256000193470?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=256000193470&targetid=1263094005346&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=9003607&poi=&campaignid=14859008593&mkgroupid=130497710760&rlsatarget=pla-1263094005346&abcId=9300678&merchantid=6296724&gclid=Cj0KCQjwz6ShBhCMARIsAH9A0qVim9swdIMThfGplm-LeCI8gIGPwzH9XME370_b8C-LPr6PR3oVaNQaAqkvEALw_wcB or just go used :V

[potent portal]

6800 is an easy choice

More VRAM which games are starting to take advantage of. TLOU is using more than 8GB at 1080p medium lol.

[obsidian wolf]

thx

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4Y7L3y Well I set on this

The 6800 if my friend wants to spent over 1000

but this one if he's just going to stay under 1000

so he can get a monitor and keyboard, etc

[cyan ravine]

@wary tundra https://pcpartpicker.com/list/swZYk9

Just in case you can't get the first list with the ddr5, it look like the price they had was an error

[wary tundra]

thank you!

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YVPrNc

Better list same perf better board psu and ram

[obsidian wolf]

He doesn't want

rgb

[cyan ravine]

There's no rgb

[obsidian wolf]

isn't the 6750 better?

[cyan ravine]

6750 is just a clocked up 6700xt, same card

The case has blue fans but you can disconnect them

[obsidian wolf]

also isn't 4.0 better?

[cyan ravine]

4.0?

[obsidian wolf]

ssd 4.0

[cyan ravine]

NV2 is a lottery

Sometimes it's horrible

Sometimes it's great

[obsidian wolf]

I go on the kingston because I have a friend who has it

and it works great for him

[cyan ravine]

They swap parts on the nv2 that's why it's so cheap

There's like 4 different possible configurations all wildly different in performance

[obsidian wolf]

so extra 3$ to get

the p1 is better them?

from crucial

[cyan ravine]

If you want 4.0 go solidigm p41 plus

I wouldn't really do 4.0 on this budget tho

[obsidian wolf]

I mean it came out under 1000$ which is great ngl

And them added this

since he's from down south and doesn't have that much knowledge in computers I went and recommend

everything

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3KggGL

this was the overall

[cyan ravine]

F12's aren't great fans

Lol

P12's are but F12's aren't

[obsidian wolf]

noted

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kFnD9r fix

[cyan ravine]

Also 6750xt is a bit overkill for 1080p

Eh actually 180hz

[obsidian wolf]

I mean I see it as a way so that he keeps this for 5-10 years

[cyan ravine]

It's ok

[obsidian wolf]

Since he won't probably be building one in a long while

So that case you mention in yours

is it better?

More airflow I guess??

Key thing I saw in the Phantek was it's easy usage as well, something not complicated to just go in there and finish everything quick without much stuff to go over

[cyan ravine]

It's not better just cheaper for acceptable performance

The things I'd definitely change are psu and ram tho

Psu should not be paired with a 6750

[obsidian wolf]

meanwhile me with the 6950xt with the psu recommended in the build you sent :v

[cyan ravine]

I can't remember which one that was

I do like 10 lists a day

[obsidian wolf]

No I mean I have that psu you recommended in that list you sent like 10 mins ago

in my own build

but is paired with the 6950

[cyan ravine]

Oh the gf1?

[obsidian wolf]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

You're fine on gf1

It's the bm2 with 6750 I'm talking about

💀

[obsidian wolf]

;v

Sure let's change that

I want to keep that other case though

for his overall build

[cyan ravine]

Alr

[obsidian wolf]

also that mobo

You sent would it be easier for him to ask the person who's selling it online if is updated or not

because I choose the 520 due to that

since it's relatively newer I thought it would be easier to find it in an actual mobo version capable for the 5600

[cyan ravine]

Not too worried about the board tho

It has a bios flash

It's mainly the ram and psu

You really want 32gb in 2023

[south cliff]

yeah especially for star citizen

if you play it

[cyan ravine]

Anyway this is for learning purposes I'm not rousing for any other reason

Since you want to learn

[obsidian wolf]

yeah

I want to learn

I don't get bothered by any suggestions to change in any of the stuff I post here

because If I post them is because I am looking forward to that

to making those changes that make sense

And for those ppl I tried to help overall to have something better down the line

[frigid night]

This'll be fine for $20 then?
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-AssassinX120-TL-C12C-S-Bearing-LGA1700/dp/B09Z7SKG2B/

[potent portal]

Plenty good for a 12100. Or a 12600 for that matter.

[frigid night]

12600? man I hit 70c with my 360 galahad lol.

[potent portal]

Yes 12600. Not 12600k.

[frigid night]

oh ok

I forget there are non k models

[potent portal]

12600 is literally a higher clocked 12400 lol

The k model adds the e cores

[strong raft]

Ecores = Eating Cores.

[flint sapphire]

[heady kayak]

Drugs

[desert gulch]

Y'all getting high on the ln2 again?

[strong raft]

Double meanings ftw. Oh, week or so back I finally stopped gaming on 3rd gen. Best $130 upgrade I think I've ever done. tbh should've tried the 1080 longer, but a steady 160+ FPS is awesome (In Apex for instance). -- probably showed this already a while back and forgot.

[cyan ravine]

wat

[flint sapphire]

[desert gulch]

Greetings sir Isaac newton

[dense brook]

can tuf b360m effectly run a 9900 cpu?

i saw a like new tuf b360m going for 36usd only

will buy 9100F or 9400f now tho

[potent portal]

A 9900 non-K yeah

You wouldn't be able to use all the features of a 9900K anyway

[dense brook]

jus non-k when the price of 9900 goes down to 100usd 😛

long from now anyways

[potent portal]

That should be fine then, non-K is only 65W so VRM should be able to handle that.

[dense brook]

1660super vs 1070ti mini
1660super is better rite?

[potent portal]

1070 ti is better

1660 is just newer but falls between the 1060 and 1070

[obsidian wigeon]

ye go for 1070ti

[gloomy agate]

PC case comes today, time to wait 3 years to use it

[verbal plover]

why

[mossy venture]

It's like dry aging steak

[cyan ravine]

You don't drink fine wine™️ straight away you age it

[mossy venture]

Exactly

I let all of my pc parts sit in pickling juice for 3 years before I use them

And then if you lick them they taste like pickles

[cyan ravine]

I know which picture you're referencing and I hate you for it

Ffs

[paper summit]

WHERE CAN I BUY THIS

[mossy venture]

Ngl I didn't even know this existed

That does make it funnier though

[fleet heron]

For 20 $ I'd definitely buy that

$20

[warm cave]

Hey ya'll. I'm looking for a good 4k monitor with really good color accuracy for artwork. Does anyone have any good recommends?

[fossil cedar]

Are you also looking to game with it or just regular work?

[warm cave]

Also game.

[fossil cedar]

I'd probably get the gigabyte m28u or m32u then

[obsidian grove]

Hello!

I am a noob so I really don’t know my stuff when it comes to pc lives off consol

But I am currently choosing and building my first pc

Idk if I should go amd or intel or which parts are best goes with which

I’m European btw

[olive cypress]

It'll all depend on your budget, there really isn't such thing as better intel or amd, intel may fit better for low budget-high performance build if you chose a cpu like a 12400. So you should say what your budget is and we'll see what the best build would be for you

Upgradability should also be considered to avoid having to sell old parts in the future or buying lots of new stuff

[obsidian grove]

Ah yes I thought bit about that

I’d say I won’t upgrade or buy new probably 2 years at least, my budget being around $1200-$1400

[obsidian wolf]

with monitor included or not/ microcenter close or not?

[fossil cedar]

Well europe so no microcenter lol

[fossil cedar]

What country specifically, what will be the main games you play, do you wanna do ray tracing? And maybe narrow your budget down a bit (also just use native currency it causes less confusion)

[obsidian grove]

I got some help on #graphics-cards

But I wouldn’t mind if you looked over it and put your opinion

Tho I trust the person that helped me seemed nice

[fossil cedar]

It looks decent but you could probably do better, how much do you want to spend if you could narrow it down and do you need wifi/Bluetooth?

[obsidian grove]

Uhh I do not know?

I mean the router is downstairs

[potent portal]

If you don't have an ethernet cable running to where you're putting the PC you probably want wifi

[obsidian grove]

Ohhh

I don’t believe I have

[obsidian grove]

Yeah I need wifi/Bluetooth thing

[obsidian grove]

The price I have currently budget but I’m willing to spend little more

Can’t go above $1400

[fossil cedar]

Can you give your budget in local currency

[obsidian grove]

Or in my currency 14500kr

[fossil cedar]

Having it in dollars is pointless

Okay

[obsidian grove]

It’s Swedish currency btw

[dim reef]

someone’s selling a 3080 for 418 is that a steal or nah

[mossy venture]

pretty good

[obsidian grove]

??

[obsidian wolf]

Steal

3080 418 💀

[gentle pollen]

what 3080?

[fossil cedar]

@obsidian grove I'd do this
https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/M7CHC6

[obsidian grove]

Oh you changed the cpu

And the ram

[dim reef]

sry evga 3080ti

[dim reef]

3080ti

[obsidian grove]

Ah I was looking at a GeForce Rtx 3060 ti founders edition before I joined here

[obsidian wigeon]

3080ti for 413

go for it

[obsidian grove]

Oh btw!

I needed wifi

[potent portal]

That board has wifi

The one on pato's list

[obsidian grove]

Ah yeah I talked with foxy

[potent portal]

Oh I see now

[obsidian grove]

Tho I was questioning why you changed the cpu

[obsidian wigeon]

ya i didn't know

[obsidian grove]

And ram

[obsidian wigeon]

well a board with wifi costs more

pato optimized it better for your needs

[obsidian grove]

Just wondering

How much more?

[potent portal]

The 5600 will have nearly the same gaming experience as the 5700X

[obsidian wigeon]

your budget can extend for better ram

but it's not a requirement