This is still fine tho right only thing I’ll be missing out on is some rgb from the ram
#building-and-recc-chat
elder river
elder river
Ur smart
elder river
Yeah ofc
potent portal
You'd be surprised, I've seen people put the fans in opposing directions (with the exhaust fan opposing as well) and they asked why they were overheating
cyan ravine
Ya always worth asking lol
We've been battered and bruised a lot by assuming the best 
potent portal
"Why isn't it turning on?"
"Did you plug in the power button?"
"... It's on."
cyan ravine
Ya exactly that 
mossy venture
"Why isn't it turning on?"
"Did you plug in the power button?"
"... It's on."
After being active in this server for like two years, helping countless of people, this was my issue with my first build
mossy venture
After being active in this server for like two years, helping countless of peopl...
After not being able to flash bios properly for two days
cyan ravine
I wanna buy a 8 heat pipe cooler for my 12100F
I think phantom spirit se is like, 35$ and 7 heat pipes?
Very good cooler
dim forge
I think phantom spirit se is like, 35$ and 7 heat pipes?
yeah
mossy venture
Theyre not in the us
cyan ravine
Ah i see
dim forge
it ships to my country tho
mossy venture
Might not be worth after shipping tho
dim forge
But i was jk, imma buy a cooler when I upgrade my cpu
cyan ravine
Ah no woggies
mossy venture
Oh that's sick
dim forge
yeah
cyan ravine
Goated air cooler
dim forge
purchases up to 35$ don't pay shipping
mossy venture
What country again? Iirc somewhere in Europe but I have terrible memory
dim forge
but anything over 200$ pays taxes
mossy venture
Oh def thinking of the wrong person lol
I atleast know Colombia is in South America
mossy venture
Just a better pa120
dim forge
PS120 is like endgame air
its PA but with the contact issue fixed right?
cyan ravine
PA also had contact issue fixed
mossy venture
I have an fc140 for $15 in case my Clc has issues
cyan ravine
PS adds another heatpipe
dim forge
mossy venture
Fs140*
dim forge
well my stock cooler runs my 12100F at 70°C on cpu heavy loads
not a concern
I wanna get more fans bc the gpu model that I have is hot
mossy venture
Fs140*
I'm not sure how well it'd do with a 13600k, since iirc it has the contact issues of pa120 se
mossy venture
But I can always UV till I can get a replacement, like the ag620
cyan ravine
I'm not sure how well it'd do with a 13600k, since iirc it has the contact issue...
Fixed
mossy venture
On fc140?
cyan ravine
Oh pa
mossy venture
It's a good few months old too
Like 5-6 if I had to guess
Maybe September/octoberish?
cyan ravine
Idk about fc
mossy venture
And it might just end up on my partners 3600 anyways
cyan ravine
But ye these new dual towers are great
mossy venture
$45 ag620 is dope
Cooler that's passable on a 13900k (not ideal but passable) for $45 is sick
cyan ravine
Bruv 25$ for ag400
dim forge
My case might not fit the ps120
cyan ravine
Best single tower for 5$ more
dim forge
dim forge
imma have to check measures
flint sapphire
mossy venture
It has a good personality?
cyan ravine
flint sapphire
elder river
I may be dumb but which side should I connect to the psu?
potent portal
The side that doesn't split goes to the PSU
elder river
Alright Ty
obsidian wolf
How can I make a build that is so absolutely old
that it makes sense to buy it in latin america
,mmmmmmmmm
@cyan ravine you there?
elder river
Everything worked first try ngl did not believe it would work
Now I just needa get the gpu and all should be good
dim forge
pretty
elder river
Now I just gotta learn how manage the wires in the back
Or I could just throw the cover on and never look at it
weary galleon
Everything worked first try ngl did not believe it would work
The no-fans-showing look on the tower cooler is neat
elder river
Yeah im really happy with this build so far and it’s a beast of a system for my first build
dim forge
Or I could just throw the cover on and never look at it
I did that
tied everything with a zip tie and there you go
obsidian wolf
Can somebody help me and tell me how fast this would run
Don't take into the price, is Argentinian Peso
earnest olive
the prices are terrible in peso to usd too
obsidian wolf
men
fleet heron
Don't take into the price, is Argentinian Peso
That's why it wasn't adding up
earnest olive
the cpu alone is $201.55 and the whole pc is worth $100
earnest olive
this pc would be considered bad 10 years ago
obsidian wolf
This build cost 800$ in argentina
bitter mason
heck non-K CPU & H board
earnest olive
rx 550 loses to modern integrated graphics
and single channel 2666 jedec will make it even worse
obsidian wolf
The best apparently is legit just buying an already build one
that at least come with the ryzen 5600x
ah my bad
not even the x
is the g
humble fossil
hi
obsidian wolf
this si the most sold computer apparently and that's like 671$
obsidian wigeon
5600g's igpu is faster than rx 550
humble fossil
when i lunch a game the NVIDIA show its support the game now its dost show. why?
obsidian wigeon
Does the game launch fine?
humble fossil
sure
alt+z it dost show anything
obsidian wigeon
Try restarting the laptop then
earnest olive
this si the most sold computer apparently and that's like 671$
......
yikes
single core cpu on one of the most infamously bad architectures ever
with integrated graphics
for $671?
not sure that can even run windows 10 smoothly
forget about games
you'd be lucky to get any office work done on it
frigid night
Any thoughts on this? Trying to be as budget as I can for a 1080p 60 fps gaming pc. The parts listed at $0 are parts I already have.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/tiraniss/saved/t4HPJx
earnest olive
Any thoughts on this? Trying to be as budget as I can for a 1080p 60 fps gaming ...
i would spend the $25 extra to step up to an rx 6600 for sure
frigid night
i would spend the $25 extra to step up to an rx 6600 for sure
Ooo good eye. Is the PSU overkill?
earnest olive
no but it's overpriced
obsidian wolf
Latin America legit sad
frigid night
hm, I couldn't really find one that was good value
at least that wasn't on low c tier or f
potent portal
hm, I couldn't really find one that was good value
earnest olive
C tier is ok for this level of build
obsidian wolf
He can also go cheaper on the
Ssd
If is that
Budget
And add that money to the gpu
potent portal
Right that system can't even use gen 4
obsidian wolf
Is 27.99$
frigid night
mp33 is the same price
this was my thinking
earnest olive
ssd is fine
frigid night
yeah I wanna make sure whoever gets this build can store a fair amount of games
earnest olive
do keep in mind that this mobo is going to limit ram speed to 2666
obsidian wolf
But might as well go cheaper and lower space so you can add that to the gpu
potent portal
670p is $5 less and has DRAM iirc but ig p41 plus is worth $5
frigid night
well I did throw in the 6600
earnest olive
it's not worth skimping like $10 on the ssd to have to buy a new one later
frigid night
obsidian wolf
But anyway I’m pretty sure if you give a solid x amount you willing to invest
potent portal
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/tiraniss/saved/t4HPJx
The list didn't change, you have to save over it
frigid night
The list didn't change, you have to save over it
odd. I saved and clicked this link and it shows updated?
obsidian wolf
Pretty sure anyone here can give you a solid build for 400$-500$ at this point
frigid night
Pretty sure anyone here can give you a solid build for 400$-500$ at this point
I'm pretty sure too. I've been here over a year.
potent portal
Mmm yes it's updated now
obsidian wolf
But orange mushroom sure make the budget work
frigid night
it's just sad that this b360m board is going to kill the performance
it was cheap cheap
obsidian wolf
Orange I heard gpu may drop again next week so… another competition we shall have
potent portal
Ye the mem won't even run 3200
obsidian wolf
🥴🥴
obsidian wolf
<:pain:810719143149961247>
frigid night
How bad of a perf hit are we talking? like game breaking?
obsidian wolf
How bad of a perf hit are we talking? like game breaking?
I mean ddr4 cl 16 is already cheap
frigid night
as long as it can game at 60fps then I'm fine.
obsidian wolf
So yeah….
potent portal
Depends on the game but 20% is worst case
obsidian wolf
as long as it can game at 60fps then I'm fine.
Also what game
obsidian wolf
60fps 1080p sure is a low benchmark but there are games that struggle at that as well
earnest olive
my borderline defective 8700K running 2666c12, even the graphics score tanked by over 20%
potent portal
9600k with throttled memory will hurt at 1080p
frigid night
hrm
earnest olive
how much was the cpu + board?
frigid night
$30
frigid night
yeah lol
earnest olive
i was gonna say if it was over $80 it's bad
but $30 is good
$100 gets you a ryzen 5 3600 + cheap board that crushes 9600K + B360
potent portal
12100 beats the 9600k easily if you wanted to sell and upgrade
frigid night
I'm really just wanting to build it to sell to someone who doesn't really game a whole lot, but when they do want to, they can just load it up and play.
earnest olive
see if you can tighten down memory timings maybe to mitigate the performance loss a little
something like 2666 13-14-14
not very aggressive
frigid night
alright, I can try that.
earnest olive
you still get timing control on these boards, just frequency is capped
if you bothered to do a full tune at 2666 you could honestly probably beat 3200c16 xmp
but that's probably not worth the effort
potent portal
And also depends on a lot of luck
earnest olive
ehh
frigid night
might be worth a try.
earnest olive
even crappy ICs will gain lots of perf from subtimings
in cpu bound scenarios
and uhhh
potent portal
Fair enough, if subs can be done that could help
frigid night
would it be better at 1440p?
potent portal
Depends on the game again
obsidian wolf
Wouldn’t that be fix though if he goes for a cheaper amd option??? Just asking
earnest olive
he already has the cpu+board for $30
earnest olive
you were looking at a worse cpu+board combo for like $350
potent portal
It's a tricky thing to min-max
obsidian wolf
Yeah… specially after the past build 600$ 700$ sub we where doing the other day.
But again I got depressed when I was trying to see what my friends in Argentina where capable of building in a minimum
Budget
Scenario
potent portal
Outside the US still really sucks in many countries
obsidian wolf
Which is not minimum at all
obsidian wolf
Outside the US still really sucks in many countries
The government forces down there for resellers to use the old components there is already
The newer ones is like elite reserve
And they legit cost a house down there
Is like reserve for the ultra rich
potent portal
That's pretty common. The last gen is often treated as the current gen as far as pricing.
earnest olive
is argentinian pcpartpicker incorrect or something because it doesn't look nearly that bad
using newegg global shipping
obsidian wolf
is argentinian pcpartpicker incorrect or something because it doesn't look nearl...
I didn’t switch to their version specifically and all the parts I was looking where in their own store down there
Mercado Libre which is they get most of their stuff in
earnest olive
well that store is terrible then
obsidian wolf
Or resellers in the normal markets
Also everything past the 500$ mark cost you importation taxes
And past 300$ if you go through land or ship apparently
earnest olive
you can get a 6500xt shipped to argentina through newegg for not that much more than what they paid for an rx 550
obsidian wolf
Mmm sent link
earnest olive
https://ar.pcpartpicker.com/list/c7gWqm all this is $579.54 including VAT
then just buy a power supply and case locally
indescribably better than the list you showed
obsidian wolf
Government tax
earnest olive
so yeah it seems reasonable to stay with the rx 6500xt here
obsidian wolf
On anything imported due to being member of Mercosur
earnest olive
rx 6500xt is already 5 times more powerful than the rx 550
obsidian wolf
Even though the economical org was meant to help the whole region
earnest olive
and the cpu/board has pcie gen 4 so it can fully leverage the 6500xt
obsidian wolf
It’s legit the org trolling each other for no search of a better word to define the actual bs that it is
earnest olive
the price is quite high listed on pcpartpicker but if you actually add them all to newegg cart you will see the shipping all becomes free
overall this pc is more than 5 times better than the local list while also being cheaper
just need to buy a local case and psu since those do not qualify for the free shipping
obsidian wolf
In the search to find internal production (impossible since every product computer related is most generally produced outside of Latin America) the governments have agree to do stupid, idiotic I would say even taxes on importation of any to almost every product making the price of things absolutely ludicrous not only in Argentina but in the rest of the region. Forcing local sellers to sell old parts for a high price and sometimes, used parts for the price of a new one outside of the country.
frigid night
So if I went with a 12100/6600 build.. Would that power supply be sufficient?
earnest olive
well, newegg global shipping seems to be the mvp for all the people we get here from outside US/canada lol
earnest olive
So if I went with a 12100/6600 build.. Would that power supply be sufficient?
yeah would be fine
obsidian wolf
Based
earnest olive
it's actually really impressive that newegg can ship all of those pc parts to argentina for free
only have to pay VAT
earnest olive
tell them it's more than 5 times as powerful in every way lol
obsidian wolf
Didn’t know about this Newegg global shipping stuff
earnest olive
sad for local sellers if they can't compete
but nobody should have to pay over $1000 for a build with i5-8400, rx 550, 8gb single channel jedec, and no ssd
obsidian wolf
I agree with you
Rather than helping the local sellers the l (to not go and blame the actual spectrum/view/belief) has make it work, make the actual local sellers loose their market to once again an international company and don’t get me wrong this is far greater than anything else that they could think to do down there… but once again stupid p who don’t give an actual f about the people that live in their country and more about how can they make themselves rich and richer in everything they do…
frigid night
on a unrelated build that I need a gpu for.. 1080 vs 6600? I'm seeing the 1080 a bit cheaper used than 6600 used.
earnest olive
similar raster performance, 1080 has nvenc/shadowplay/cuda, 6600 has some newer feature sets
also keep in mind pascal hardware is aging
either choice is valid, depends on what is needed
frigid night
This would just be for my girlfriend. Mainly play FF14 and CoD games
earnest olive
be prepared to open up the 1080 and deep clean it if that's your choice
frigid night
be prepared to open up the 1080 and deep clean it if that's your choice
That's doable.
earnest olive
and be prepared to replace fan or the card in a few years if needed
will probably have a shorter remaining lifespan than the 6600
frigid night
and be prepared to replace fan or the card in a few years if needed
I could do this as well
earnest olive
since it's like 7 years old now
earnest olive
if she wants to stream at all, even to discord, maybe consider the 1080, i think discord still heavily favors nvenc?
not sure
i don't think discord makes use of my QSV in my 13700K system
yeah, a lot of cards at this age still have plenty of life in them
frigid night
ah yeah no streaming.. She won't even talk in games because she's shy. She only talks to Pato/Rawr/Wideus
earnest olive
but some are on their last legs
it's a lottery
streaming to discord counts
i don't stream to twitch anymore but i stream to friends on discord all the time
i'm not 100% sure how well that works on radeon, i don't have any modern radeon cards to test
the only radeon card i have is an r5 240 lol
frigid night
should I avoid a dell 1080?
frigid night
streaming to discord counts
vc is streaming?
earnest olive
should I avoid a dell 1080?
ehh
frigid night
oh right yeah, no she won't be doing that
earnest olive
it's a blower, probably lived in an oem hotbox, has ugly green pcb (not sure if that matters)
if you're looking used, a used 1080ti/2070 or 2070S should be around the price of a new 6600
used 5700xt is also a nice option
used 5700xts are super cheap
small caveat that pretty much 100% of them are mining cards
comes with the normal risks that mining cards come with
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/127tww1/usadeh_asus_3060_ti_dual_msi_3060_ti_ventus_2x_w/ here's a pretty well priced 3060ti, not that much more expensive than new 6600 once you factor in tax
frigid night
Hm. looking on ebay, a used 6600/1080 are on par. 5700xt is roughly $20 cheaper. The 2070/super are about $30 more
earnest olive
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/120zold/usainh_rx_6600_rx580_rx570s_herman_miller_aeron/ good price on a used rx 6600
frigid night
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/120zold/usainh_rx_6600_rx580_rx57...
Yeah, that's about what I'm seeing on ebay
earnest olive
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/128d4qh/usaca_h_xfx_amd_radeon_rx_5700_xt_8gb_gddr6_thicc/ good price on a used 5700xt
$120 + maybe $20 shipping
5700xt is actually a stronger card than 6600
frigid night
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/128d4qh/usaca_h_xfx_amd_radeon_rx...
oo shweet. I sent him a PM
earnest olive
gl hope it works out
frigid night
it does have a jimmy rig of fans, but that's ok lol
earnest olive
tbh i was speed reading and did not catch that
but that's arguably a positive
depends on the person
earnest olive
putting custom fans on a deshrouded card tends to be much better for cooling, just less elegant
frigid night
My gf really doesn't care to much about what her PC looks like as long as "pretty lights" and "plays CoD" xD
earnest olive
based
strap some rgb fans to the gpu and vertical mount it lol
extra pretty lights
frigid night
dude is taking forever to respond. 😛 He could have $ in his paypal right meow
frigid night
@fading acorn Do you have them connected to the UNI HUB or with their ARGB Cable Kit?
sacred crown
Im wanting to build my first PC soon. I'm completely ignorant in terms of PC components. I don't really have fast internet either, so most of my gaming would be offline play. Skyrim, Cyberpunk, Shadow of Mordor...Etc. I do plan on running mods on these games if available, just to enhance the immersion and experience.
Also, when building a PC is it all plug in or will you need soldering skills as well? I'll take any advice I can get, and I appreciate it.
obsidian wigeon
Im wanting to build my first PC soon. I'm completely ignorant in terms of PC com...
Building a pc is all plugging in stuff, there's no soldering work needed. What is your budget and region? I can make a list that best utilizes your budget for your use case and needs
jagged ember
Im wanting to build my first PC soon. I'm completely ignorant in terms of PC com...
Generally there's no soldering involved unless you're using custom pcbs for some reason
graceful prawn
I have a question about MB's and bios options.
first off I want to thank you peeps for helping me with the last system I built, love it
cyan ravine
Hi
graceful prawn
I am wondering about being able to remote into a pc/server build if the system is off but on a dedicated connection , static
cyan ravine
That's a tricky question, I know you can remote in if it's on
graceful prawn
yes
the likelyhood that the system we b8ild will be off is "remote" but since we are both pitching in and i want him to be able to turn it on iff I'm asleep and for some reason it is off
cyan ravine
Might be a question for #windows-ios
Wake on LAN might have something to do with it (pc is sleeping)
But yeah not sure
graceful prawn
yes, I posted the question in there now too
jagged ember
I am wondering about being able to remote into a pc/server build if the system i...
The closest I can get you is through parsec and pulseway
Parsec for a remote connection and pulseway for remote restarting
You'll need to keep the remote pc on at all times, though
graceful prawn
we just like being able to add mods to the games we are playing and feel building our own server would be better, faster, and less lag
we are gonna go over kill on this system
jagged ember
I just have chrome remote desktop as a backup
I edit videos and photos through parsec and it works quite well
Despite it being like a few continents away and having 200 ish ping
graceful prawn
okay then here is another question, technically i wont need a video card for this "server" system right?...
jagged ember
For my solution you will
graceful prawn
I can use the onboard for the system
jagged ember
But not anything super powerful if you're just using it as a display
True if you have integrated graphics you don't
graceful prawn
my question then is "would" a video card add to the "less" lag etc.. in the system
jagged ember
Not from my experience, no
Igpu streaming vs dgpu streaming doesn't really make a difference
Also subject to physical distance and internet connection quality
graceful prawn
using a 3 gig fiber business connection
he is in louisianna, new orleans, I'm in orlando florida
jagged ember
Is the internet connection from you guys equivalent?
graceful prawn
he is building a new house there and has 5 gig fiber being put in
jagged ember
Host internet is only half the equation
Client internet is the other half
I'd run the streams at h265 and limit it to 10mbps bandwidth
graceful prawn
I curreently have 3 gig fiber and average 1.6Gbps down and up, and am suppoosed to be able to average at least that with the new business line , staic, that I'm putting in
jagged ember
Sheesh
Yeah you could definitely try using parsec and chrome remote desktop as a backup
It's worked nice for me, but don't expect it to be 0 latency and not have any buffering issues whatsoever
It's still over the internet
graceful prawn
okay then, build questions now. since we boith have money to burn on a build, we have thought to do the i9 13900k, besides power draw is there any advantage to going with the ks over the k?
jagged ember
Holy jesus
graceful prawn
I was leaning towards the k
obsidian wigeon
it has no difference other than potentially better bin
graceful prawn
what about ddr5 over 4, remember we have money
graceful prawn
ok
obsidian wigeon
6000mhz is the sweet spot between speed and stability
graceful prawn
we are both new to "server" software etc.. any suggestions for ease of use and can you put together a build using the k and ddr5?
has gen 5 ssd's comeout yet?
yes 6k is what i been hearing too
brb
jagged ember
Gen 5 definitely isn't worth it
Technically neither is gen 4 cause you'll basically never saturate the bandwidth of even gen 3
graceful prawn
and should i go with 2Tb ssd's over 4 tb?
graceful prawn
preferably I would like to be able to get most of the parts from bestbuy as I am a total tech member and warranty much easier to exchange etc... plus if prices drop within 60 days i get a refund of the diff
hey Pato how ya be?
fossil cedar
the likelyhood that the system we b8ild will be off is "remote" but since we are...
Easiest thing to do is just never turn it off tbh
I'm doing fine thanks
graceful prawn
thanks again for the help on the last system
graceful prawn
and should i go with 64n or 128 ram price not being an problem
fossil cedar
What's the purpose of the pc?
graceful prawn
server for games want to be able to handle running 3 heavily modded games ark stuff and conan
max will be 5 players per server/game
cyan ravine
Heavy mods? Go with a higher count of ddr4 imo
cyan ravine
Well it's more like 128gb of ddr5 just simply won't run at any reasonable speed regardless of platform
graceful prawn
would like to get the ram at under 500
cyan ravine
128gb of ddr4 will run at a reasonable speed
I've seen plenty of people try with ddr5 to no avail
jagged ember
Ddr5 teething woes
cyan ravine
I've seen maybe 1 person pull it off and many many more fail it
And in server terms you really want reliability #1
As your priority
graceful prawn
okay so can you all get me a build with gen 13 i9k? I know it's over kill, but just dont want to EVER have to worry about having to replace it
plus he retired and I'm getting close enough to retiring, just want to have the best, we deserve it lol
I'm thinking 3,000-3500 since we dont need a videocard and can run the onboard
that is "IF" the video card makes absolutely no diff
graceful prawn
"IF" the videocard can/does make even the slightest bit of diff then I'm thinkimng like a 3080 or anything with at least the ddr6x what say you pros?
cyan ravine
I feel like this mightn't be the best place to ask
graceful prawn
lol, i thought build chat was the perfect place lol
cyan ravine
I'm going to refer you to a discord that does home server related stuff, they will probably be much more suited for this
graceful prawn
ok ty
graceful prawn
got it ty
cyan ravine
Np. Just drop a question in general 1 or 2 about this
graceful prawn
just did
but for poops and giggles, can someone here too put together a build? basically a dream build.
if you had 3500 to blow on a build what would you build?
well gootta go to costco bbl
cyan ravine
3500? Alr
tawny violet
what's the lowest spec Ryzen that you guys would get for a 6700XT-class GPU?
Something in the range of a 5600X would definitely serve well
But those are pretty pricy still here
How low can I go without hamstringing the GPU too much
cyan ravine
Actually scratch that, this @graceful prawn
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qn8378
flint sapphire
Actually scratch that, this <@1051942864470421564>
https://pcpartpicker.com/lis...
Scratch that, ooo smol pc
tawny violet
Felix I need your help
cyan ravine
what's the lowest spec Ryzen that you guys would get for a 6700XT-class GPU?
I would say 5600 is pretty ideal
Not the X
flint sapphire
5600x would be fine
cyan ravine
Unless X is cheaper
tawny violet
I have a stupid question I need answered to save every penny possible
flint sapphire
But what Felix said
tawny violet
So how low can I go before it gets too ridiculous
cyan ravine
@tawny violet what's your budget
tawny violet
About no
cyan ravine
?
tawny violet
It's mostly hypothetic
cyan ravine
No
cyan ravine
5600 is about where I draw the line
Below that you're sorta scrounging for gpu perf that gets lost by cpu bottlenecks elsewhere
Imo
3600 yea kinda works but it's worthy of better
flint sapphire
cyan ravine
No decent 600 boards for cheap to compete
tawny violet
and you can always slot a much more powerful CPU into an AM4 socket
cyan ravine
Ofc, but you have to choose the right mobo
cyan ravine
Some am4 boards have rubbish power delivery
flint sapphire
Well in the case of a 12th gen you could move up to a 13th gen I guess 
Upgrade path from a 5600 is a 5800x3d lol
cyan ravine
I mean my next step from a 5600 is typically 12600K/13600K now
5800x3d is still a nice drop in
flint sapphire
It’s sooo nice 
cyan ravine
AM5 needs to get a little cheaper overall before I recommend it regularly
tawny violet
ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus (WI-FI)
Yay or nay for later CPU upgrade
flint sapphire
The 13600k is just way to good of a deal
tawny violet
I don't know that much about AM4 mobos overall
cyan ravine
ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus (WI-FI)
Yay or nay for later CPU upgrade
Nay, board is rarely a decent price
B550m pro vc stonks
Always cheap-ish
And has bios flash
tawny violet
Nay, board is rarely a decent price
it's 90k HUF (roughly 240 bucks) here rn
flint sapphire
cyan ravine
Hmmm
tawny violet
at least not new
tawny violet
GIGABYTE B550 Gaming X V2 for 49k HUF is one I see in stock
flint sapphire
x570 aorus master instead
cyan ravine
Gaming X is ok
tawny violet
B550 AORUS ELITE V2 if 53k
cyan ravine
Nah gaming x is fine
tawny violet
damn, also no wifi
cyan ravine
It has bios flash and is almost half the price, it's reasonablr
tawny violet
Pain
cyan ravine
Does the elite have wifi?
tawny violet
It has bios flash and is almost half the price, it's reasonablr
Issue is wifi is kind of a dealbreaker for me
since my good headphones are Bluetooth
flint sapphire
Does the elite have wifi?
It’s elite so of course.
tawny violet
and wifi models should have BT
tawny violet
It’s elite so of course.
Negative
cyan ravine
Wifi models do have bt
tawny violet
It doesn't
GIGABYTE B550 AORUS ELITE V2
No wifi/BT
X570 Aorus Elite doesn't exist here
cyan ravine
Welp, what's on the side of the 12400f then
tawny violet
I hate Hungary so freaking much
flint sapphire
The elite v2 should have Wi-Fi 6
cyan ravine
The AX version does
flint sapphire
Ah whoops
tawny violet
Welp, what's on the side of the 12400f then
GIGABYTE B660 DS3H AX DDR4 (rev. 1.0)
Absolute cheapest I can find here
around 50k HUF
cyan ravine
Would rather but only good for a 12400f at max
12400F
+6700XT
Then some cheap nvme that isn't a kingston nv2/nv1
Probably 1tb
Cheapest 3200 c16 32gb ram kit you can find
tawny violet
Tis hard to make a solid PC here
tawny violet
hold on
I may have found something half decent in a prebuilt
flint sapphire
Then any case with a mesh front
Or wood
tawny violet
Msi MAG B550 Tomahawk
Ryzen 5 5600x
Kingston Predator 16Gb 2933MHz
Saphire Nitro+ Rx6700XT
Kingston M.2 1Tb
Fractal Design Meshify C TG
Fractal Design 760W Platinum
cyan ravine
Also consider laptops, in some regions where desktops are hard to build, laptops can come in decent priced
tawny violet
520k HUF
flint sapphire
flint sapphire
Ah the Kingston drive tho
tawny violet
Also consider laptops, in some regions where desktops are hard to build, laptops...
I'm not going to go laptop again
I'm suffering on one rn
tawny violet
Ah the Kingston drive tho
I have a 512gb SATA SSD that I can use if need be
it'll have to do if the M2 dies
cyan ravine
How much in usd
tawny violet
Right around 1500
cyan ravine
- dies *
tawny violet
1483 on current exchange rate
flint sapphire
Yeah that’s a bit much
tawny violet
It looked decent at first glance
cyan ravine
That ds3h was 50K huf right? 150 usd-ish?
tawny violet
Yeah, sounds about that much
cyan ravine
Build from scratch
Unless gpu is gross af on price it's likely gonna be a fair bit cheaper
tawny violet
It's unironically about the same amount for a similar capability machine
cyan ravine
How much is a 6700xt standalone
tawny violet
this one isn't even grossly overpriced compared to DIY building
tawny violet
How much is a 6700xt standalone
Smack dab 200k HUF
190k-220k depending on manufacturer and cooler
cyan ravine
500 usd? Lolwhat
tawny violet
Literally
cyan ravine
How much are 3060ti's
tawny violet
It's absolutely stupid
cyan ravine
Drive across the border, buy cheap 6700xt, come back
tawny violet
can't really do that
cyan ravine
Then go used
tawny violet
Though
cyan ravine
I wouldn't pay a scalped price
That is an even bigger hint that laptops are cheaper there
flint sapphire
I mean I’m a fan of the prebuilts case atleast
tawny violet
That's the issue
I can't finance a PC alone
And mom ABSOLUTELY refuses to even consider any used electronics
cyan ravine
1500 probably would get you a nice 3070 laptop
cyan ravine
1500 is really gross for a 6700XT build tho lol
tawny violet
I have an awful laptop I am stuck with since 2017
cyan ravine
Laptops have improved a buttload since 2017
tawny violet
I'm just sick of laptops atm
cyan ravine
I used to have a 2017 razer
sacred crown
Building a pc is all plugging in stuff, there's no soldering work needed. What i...
I've got a $2500 limit I'm wanting to stay under. But sub 2000 would be ideal. I don't have a monitor or keyboard or mouse either
tawny violet
2017 Razer?
Try a 2017 Asus X751 with a dual-core I3 and 4gb or RAM Felix
cyan ravine
2017 was still coping years, not enough heatsink, not enough power
obsidian wigeon
Felix it's your time to shine
cyan ravine
2017 Razer?
Try a 2017 Asus X751 with a dual-core I3 and 4gb or RAM Felix
Well you'll definitely be far from struggling on a good 2022 laptop
cyan ravine
My 2022 TUF runs as good or better than it's desktop equivalent
5700X+3060
Handles a bigger power envelope too
obsidian wigeon
you're sacrificing the ability to upgrade like a pc, but laptops these days are amazing
cyan ravine
Laptops have changed a lot, they now deck them in heatpipes and vapour chambers
tawny violet
Funnily enough I don't think I can build a PC that'd beat this
Asus ROG Strix G513IE-HN104
cyan ravine
They don't get toasty hot and sit throttling all day anymore
cyan ravine
I would go minimum 3060m or 6600m if you can
obsidian wigeon
but still yuck, go 3060m min
obsidian wigeon
4 gigs is problematic
obsidian wigeon
i mean i don't do that, but i'd prefer having 6
cyan ravine
Strix's are nice
obsidian wigeon
im sure you can find a 3060 lappy
tawny violet
485k HUF for that G713
I heavily doubt I can build a tower that'll be faster for the same amount
Which is really weird to me
cyan ravine
Like I said, some countries are like that
tawny violet
You used to be able to handily beat a laptop for the same price
cyan ravine
You see this in Asia all the time
tawny violet
GPUs being priced to the moon don't help
Nor does the mass inflation we have
cyan ravine
Ye
tawny violet
Ngreedia and AMGreed are busy
cyan ravine
Try and find one with a 3060
500K huf is a bit high
Try msi gf65
Or lenovo legion 5
Acer nitro 5 (they're a bit yuck but sometimes they're dirt cheap)
Aim for like, 350K HUF
tawny violet
G713IM-HX020
510k
In stock 20 minutes from me
cyan ravine
If you can
tawny violet
brand new no less
cyan ravine
Price is a bit high still
It's the 17 inch that's why
Try g14 or g15 or try the other brands I mentioned
Msi katana is another good one
tawny violet
MSI is a 15" so already out
Same with the Lenovo
And the Acer
17" screen is a must for me
cyan ravine
You pay a lot for 17" tho
tawny violet
my eyes are already killing me
I don't want to make it worse
tawny violet
You pay a lot for 17" tho
Eye condition tho
flint sapphire
tawny violet
tbf a desktop would be priority for me
since modularity and ease of repair/upgrade later
but I am quite sad at the prices
cyan ravine
Well yeah I agree, but if you can find a decent laptop for close to 1K USD that's when I'll say a laptop sounds like a better idea
3060 minimum
Or even 4050
jagged ember
14inch laptop and get an external monitor
sounds like a good idea, and you can use the laptop screen as a second display if you want
probably 4050 laptop if you can though
cyan ravine
I've got a $2500 limit I'm wanting to stay under. But sub 2000 would be ideal. I...
I could trim it to under 2K
flint sapphire
cyan ravine
Like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zfGzQ6
Only real sacrifice is 1tb of storage there
tawny violet
Or even 4050
Yeah except those start at 1700-2000 USD here
cyan ravine
Hey man, only if it's possible
jagged ember
Bad market prices suuuck
graceful prawn
so I take it no one came up with a build for me lol?
cyan ravine
I did
flint sapphire
closer to the $2500 dollar limit for aesthetics https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zHQ2JM
tawny violet
Hey man, only if it's possible
I wish it was
graceful prawn
didnt see it
jagged ember
Wit da ping and everything
tawny violet
although I'm utterly leaning towards the desktop crowd
since it'd serve me better in the long run
As I do not intend to move it anywhere
jagged ember
Hmmm
graceful prawn
is the 4.2 it's base speed?
flint sapphire
It’ll boost faster then 4.2 yes
cyan ravine
That build is like, peak gaming
graceful prawn
yes it is i see. is there a reason you went with the amd instead of the intel?
cyan ravine
It's not far off my actual rig
flint sapphire
But yeah it’s peak
cyan ravine
Yes cos it's plug and play for high end gaming
If I had a bit more at my disposal I'd go 13900KF
But it depends on the use
Anything other than gaming I wouldn't have the 7800X3D there
graceful prawn
well do i actually need the vid since its only gonna be a server? and the monitor is over kill since I'm gonna be gaming on my pc and only using that one for the server
cyan ravine
You asked for my dream build for 3500
flint sapphire
I thought it was a for the lols balls to the walls pc
cyan ravine
Stop changing my dreams 💀
jagged ember
Not his dreams bro
graceful prawn
i have this for my gaming pc
jagged ember
Probably shoulda prefaced the question with your intention tho
cyan ravine
See the reason I recommend homelabs Avirel is a server solution is not really my forte, I do like, 95% gaming pc builds
graceful prawn
I did in earlier chat
cyan ravine
And then like 5% production?
jagged ember
Most of us here don't really do servers
cyan ravine
Me building a dream server I know I'd miss the mark completely somehow
graceful prawn
k
cyan ravine
Yea, no hard feelings, I just don't want to get your expectations up
jagged ember
The most server thing I've done is run a Synology lol
cyan ravine
Not even really server stuff lol
flint sapphire
Closest thing to a server I’ve ever done was run Linux on a old laptop
jagged ember
But sheesh having a Synology is niice
graceful prawn
okay whats the best cooler for a LGA 1700 socket then?
atx case
looking at this one
Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE LCD XT 65.57 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
or would this one be better for cooling?
Corsair iCUE H170i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
mossy venture
okay whats the best cooler for a LGA 1700 socket then?
Liquid freezer ii 360/420, ls720, lt720, anything EK, lian li galahad
Corsair aios are overpriced and mediocre
graceful prawn
kk ty
tawny violet
holy hell
SAPPHIRE 11309-01-20G Radeon RX 6600 XT 8GB GDDR6 NITRO+ OC PCIE
208 390 Ft
ASUS DUAL-RX6700XT-O12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB GDDR6 OC PCIE
196 690 Ft
That seems really stupid
@cyan ravine
cyan ravine
Pick the cheapest 6700 xt then
tawny violet
oh I was just surprised
tawny violet
Pick the cheapest 6700 xt then
Mind if I DM you? Found something I need your opinion on
graceful prawn
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/avirel/saved/#view=j2x9K8 so is this reasonable?
please advise on memory
the homelab discord advised me to use "hetzner server instead of building one. my issues is we like to change and add mods too frequebtly for that to be feasible
well i gtg take a nap work overnight tonight. I'll be on later
and the reason I went with the i9 was because I wanted to be able to dedicate 4 cores per ip for 2 ip's at a time and still need the extra 4 for os
and 128 of the ram so i could dedicate 32gb per ip with the option to add more if we felt it was needed
I felt the 850ps was enough, even overkill, because i dont need to run a vid card
my main question is on ram as dependable what would you all suggest for 128gb?
bbl
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/avirel/saved/#view=j2x9K8 so is this reasonable?
13600kf is better and cheaper
Gpu is incredibly overpriced
P44 pro is better than the 980 pro and cheaper
graceful prawn
does the kf have intergrated graphics?
I thouight it didnt
and the core count on the i5 is not optimal for what i want to be able to dedicate for each ip
basically i want this to be the last build for the next 7-10 years for this server
languid nimbus
kf doesn’t have integrated graphics
mossy venture
and the core count on the i5 is not optimal for what i want to be able to dedica...
The 13600kf does not have an igpu, but the 13600k/kf has the exact same core count as the 12700k
6 p cores 8 e cores
elder river
I was advised to get a 2560x1440 monitor with my system but what exactly will I be losing out on tho if I just get a 1920x1080
dusty cedar
if its for gaming then nothing. games don't natively support anything higher. anything above that is upscaled with your gpu anyways. someone else here will talk about some "screen door effect" but i don't have my nose pressed close enough against my monitor to even notice.
elder river
Alright Ty
jagged ember
Screen door effect is noticeable with a 1080p 27” monitor
It's a real thing, don't dismiss it
dusty cedar
its not
jagged ember
It really is
dusty cedar
i have one and it isnt
jagged ember
It bugs me every time I look at my monitor, especially at text
Just seeing individual pixels is not great for me
dusty cedar
then have i got the solution for you. you wont believe this but you don't need your eyes 2mm away from your monitor at all times
gentle pollen
I have same issue is Segue, my head is 3ft away and I can still see the individual pixels on a 24in 1080p monitor.
jagged ember
If I maybe took off my glasses and didn't squint I wouldn't notice but then I'd also see nothing
I'm saying screen door effect is a real thing
jagged ember
Retina displays are any displays that have a ppi density high enough to not have screen door at normal viewing distances
Bros just in denial of screen door lmao
dusty cedar
because there isnt any and i'm not gonna argue about it
leaden mauve
Bros just in denial of screen door lmao
my door doesnt have a screen on it idiot
dusty cedar
tldr
elder river
I’m just not tryna spend 200 bucks on a monitor tbh
verbal plover
didn't ever notice that on my 27" 1080
elder river
Only reason I ask
jagged ember
It's not real and it doesn't exist oo
gentle pollen
https://vrvisiongroup.com/what-is-the-screen-door-effect-why-does-it-happen/
This image is what my vision feels like , just a lil less extreme.
dusty cedar
this dude is a hardcore apple fan talkin about retina displays and sh. i wouldnt pay him any attention about displays since he seems to be stuck in 2001
jagged ember
this dude is a hardcore apple fan talkin about retina displays and sh. i wouldnt...
Dude apple didn't coin the retina term
You're the one who's been making assumptions about the term and questioning the existence of screen door
gentle pollen
The solution to Screen Door is really just get a higher PPI monitor.
elder river
Imma get a 1080 monitor and if I don’t notice it imma keep it if I do I’ll return it and get a 1440
jagged ember
Okay I take that back it is
But point still stands despite that statement being incorrect
Screen door effect is a real thing
dusty cedar
im not questioning it. i am telling you for 100% sure i do not have that problem on my 1080p 27" monitor but since you're now apparently sitting next to me telling me what i see with my 20/20 vision please, can you go to the kitchen and get me a soda. thanks
gentle pollen
Okay chill guys you're getting over heated.
dusty cedar
im not heated at all i find this amusing though lol
jagged ember
Honestly, I've just been presenting information and making statements to prove my argument
As is usual with normal argumentative discussion
Provided links and everything
gentle pollen
True.
jagged ember
im not questioning it. i am telling you for 100% sure i do not have that problem...
Someone else is making it a personal attack though
dusty cedar
what type of monitors are you buying where the leds are spaced that far apart lmao. is your budget 50 bucks for a monitor? come on man
jagged ember
Not productive, but I get it
dusty cedar
"personal attack" hahahahahaa im dead. where did i attack you personally
jagged ember
You derailed the argument to make a statement about me "being in your room"
Right next to you
And to make a sandwich
jagged ember
this dude is a hardcore apple fan talkin about retina displays and sh. i wouldnt...
Additionally, this is the same thing
dusty cedar
i said get me a soda since you seem to be my eyes and are me telling me what i see when i'm telling you that isnt the case
but pop off this is actually funny
gentle pollen
I have a pixio monitor 24in 1080p and I can notice the pixels from 2.5ft away. Experienced this on better monitors as well though I found the solution to be just get a monitor with a really high PPI.
jagged ember
Making the statement under the context that apple uses are all idiots who don't understand displays
dusty cedar
🍿
jagged ember
Which they do have good displays
They're really expensive
But they are good displays
Lacking in adjustability, too
gentle pollen
Sebastion, might I ask a question.
jagged ember
Sure
gentle pollen
What PPI makes something a retina grade display?
jagged ember
Iirc it was 400+ ppi?
gentle pollen
That seems off....
A 4k 32in screen only has a PPI of 137.
"What is the ppi of Apple Retina screen?
While most displays max out at around 150 pixels per inch (ppi), our Retina display has 218 ppi, providing astoundingly sharp and detailed imagery."
sacred crown
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XM2M9r
Is there a difference between gpu manufacturers? Radeon and ryszen?
gentle pollen
Is there a difference between gpu manufacturers? Radeon and ryszen?
Both are made by AMD.
sacred crown
Both are made by AMD.
Oh ok like the 3080ti and Ryzen whatever number is equivalent
gentle pollen
Radeon is what they call their line of Dedicated GPUs.
jagged ember
"What is the ppi of Apple Retina screen?
While most displays max out at around 1...
Yeah no you're right on that
gentle pollen
Example Radeon 7900XTX.
jagged ember
Misremembered the value
strong raft
Ryzen is a cpu
sacred crown
I'm so confused lol
jagged ember
27" 1080 has a ppi of 82 though
gentle pollen
Oh ok like the 3080ti and Ryzen whatever number is equivalent
3080 ti is made by Nvidia.
jagged ember
Ryzen do be CPU
gentle pollen
27" 1080 has a ppi of 82 though
Yeah that's really noticeable with good eye sight.
jagged ember
It is really confusing sometimes though
Like the 78003dx and the 7900xtx
Like why, amd
earnest olive
the closest radeon equivalent to the 3080ti is the 6900xt if that's what you're asking
they don't have numbers for performance segments like cpus do
gentle pollen
Just checked and my current monitor has a PPI of 93.
earnest olive
they used to (ex. Radeon R5 240, Radeon R7 260, Radeon R9 290) but they stopped doing that a while back
now they just call all the Radeon cards Radeon RX
dim forge
guys
should I worry about my gpu bending?
it's a 2060 dual fan
but it''s kinda chunky
jagged ember
Nah, but if you're really worried just get literally anything that's tall enough to support it
Just make sure you have the gpu screwed into the pcie backplate
earnest olive
I used a mechanical pencil graphite box as a gpu support for my 1080ti
jagged ember
Don't leave any gpu just hanging out
I use a disassembled torch to support my gpu
It's great
earnest olive
Don't leave any gpu just hanging out
lol my 1660ti is so heavy it just falls out of my pcie slot
it would probably break the pcie lock off if I allowed it to
jagged ember
Noo don't do that
earnest olive
since it's missing the i/o shield it has full unrestricted ability to fall
jagged ember
Oh my god lmao
earnest olive
cause even without screws the i/o shield collides with the bracket below it so it doesn't fall all the way
but there's nothing there for my poor 1660ti
the only thing holding it up is my support bracket lmao
jagged ember
It's one not-safety harness away from freefall
earnest olive
the pcie slot itself can't do it
earnest olive
it's like 5 pounds idk
jagged ember
Kill a man with it
earnest olive
but I like men
jagged ember
Kill not men?
earnest olive
I bought a replacement i/o shield off of aliexpress
so hopefully I will make the 1660ti whole again soon
it's not a perfect fit, cause it's a 1080ti strix bracket
jagged ember
Make it whole before it makes a hole in your motherboard
earnest olive
but it should fit correctly, it just has an extra DVI cutout that won't be used
the only difference between 1080ti and 1660ti strix i/o is the DVI
tawny violet
Saw a bunch of praise for a 1080p 144hz IPS AOC monitor for 75k HUF
It seems too good to be true
earnest olive
lol well right now I have my friend's 3080 installed
jagged ember
but it should fit correctly, it just has an extra DVI cutout that won't be used
Fill with putty
earnest olive
so no worries about that
the 3080 does have its i/o shield
but I was also using the 1660ti perfectly fine just holding it up with my support bracket
as scuffed as it felt
I also had to hold the 1660ti in place anytime I wanted to unplug a monitor
cause if I didn't hold it there was a chance I could accidentally pull the 1660ti out of the pcie slot lmao
card without i/o shield is super scuffed
tawny violet
AOC 27G2SPAE/BK
I heard a lot of good about it, but I never heard of AOC before
earnest olive
it's not a bad monitor, but 1080p at 27" is not super desirable
tawny violet
IPS panel
27"
1920 x 1080
165 Hz
Claimed 1 ms response time
1000:1 contrast ratio
250 cd/m³ brightness
All for 72-75k HUF
It's really cheap for a high refresh rate monitor
earnest olive
I am an ignorant american and have no idea what currency HUF is so I shall google the conversion
okay so about $200
could be worse
tawny violet
it's not a bad monitor, but 1080p at 27" is not super desirable
Rn I'm using a 35" 1080p TV from like 9 years ago as my monitor when I wanna play EU4
earnest olive
oof
tawny violet
It's not actually that bad
earnest olive
if you're used to 1080p 35" then 1080p 27" probably looks great lol
usually 24" is the desired size for 1080p
tawny violet
Tbf I'm like 3 or 4 feet away (probably, roughly 1.5 extended arm's length) from it when I'm using it
Actually scratch that it's probably bigger than 35"
But from an arm's length away I can't see the pixels
Okay checked
It's a 32" 1080p screen from ages ago
LG 32LD320
earnest olive
I have no idea about hungarian market prices but it sounds fair
aoc 27g2 is decent
dim forge
Just make sure you have the gpu screwed into the pcie backplate
you mean, screwed in the case?
tawny violet
It should do well as a first mainline PC gaming monitor
That's good enough, I have to make compromises for now anyway
And it seems like this one doesn't have too many of those
earnest olive
the biggest compromise is pixel density
but that won't be an issue for you coming from a screen with worse pixel density
south cliff
is 1440p fine for a 32 inch?
earnest olive
meh
tawny violet
Again
If I can't distinguish individual pixels on a 32" 1080p from an arm's length away
It should do just fine for me
obsidian wigeon
There's still screen door effect
tawny violet
Frankly
I'm too stupid to understand it
So it'd probably not bother me too much
gentle pollen
Frankly
I'm too stupid to understand it
So it'd probably not bother me too much
If you get to close you can noticed lines/gaps between pixels & or just the individual pixels.
obsidian wigeon
look it up and you will know
earnest olive
in general it's 1080p 24, 1440p 27, 4k 32
tawny violet
If you get to close you can noticed lines/gaps between pixels & or just the indi...
At the end of the day
It'll work well enough
And it's cheap for 165hz
I can't really care less if it's not top of the line since the PC it'd go with won't be either
tawny violet
But yes I checked
It comes in right around at arm's lenght
gentle pollen
At the end of the day
It'll work well enough
And it's cheap for 165hz
I can't r...
Aight, you do you then.
south cliff
just get a 24 inch 165
tawny violet
1080p for 32 inches
I was given a TV that had an HDMI
So I use it with my laptop to watch movies with from my bed/play EU4 when my eyes are tired
It's not really my preferred solution
But it had to do
south cliff
I was given a TV that had an HDMI
So I use it with my laptop to watch movies wit...
if its free then its fine
tawny violet
Aight, you do you then.
I feel like the AOC would serve well enough initially
And I can always get a 1440p 27" later down the line
regal shard
south cliff
i already got a 32 inch 165 1440 just asking
tawny violet
if its free then its fine
It was more me solving a problem with what I had than conscious choice
But it worked out alright
And when I'm laying on my bed it's absolutely lovely