Should I wait for that
#building-and-recc-chat
idle wedge
obsidian wigeon
That's quite a margin of a drop
obsidian wigeon
Yep
potent portal
If you can wait a bit, prices are inflated a tad right now due to tax season
idle wedge
Ok thanks
potent portal
It's the same with cars, there's no right time to buy but there's a wrong time and that is when everyone has a little extra from taxes
little osprey
or, live near a microcenter
potent portal
It's almost worth the 9 hour drive there lol
little osprey
cuz those bundles be beautiful
potent portal
Free memory with AMD CPU 
little osprey
and a 240gb ssd just for crossing the threshold
potent portal
Yup
idle wedge
It's almost worth the 9 hour drive there lol
For me it’s 30 min and the tax is so low
cyan ravine
so 12900k is only slightly more multicore and slightly less single core performance compared to 13600K. But 13600K is easier to cool. imo the 13600K is better. 13th gen is also more stable in my experience than 12th gen (I've owned both)
untold vessel
Say guys, how do dual GPU Builds work? Is it as simple as plugging in two 3070’s and getting a little over the performance of a 3090? What benefits do we get from Multiple GPU builds?
potent portal
If you're that close definitely keep an eye on their site for prices, you can get a GPU super cheap compared to online too
little osprey
plus, open box
cyan ravine
the time I'd say 12900K would be worth over 13600K is if you could get a used 12900K that is a very early sample with AVX-512
potent portal
Say guys, how do dual GPU Builds work? Is it as simple as plugging in two 3070’s...
Dual GPU is dead, it only works in workstation tasks now
south cliff
For me it’s 30 min and the tax is so low
I wish I was that close to micro center
cyan ravine
the time I'd say 12900K would be worth over 13600K is if you could get a used 12...
and you have a valid use for avx-512
potent portal
The last GPU to support SLI was the 3090
untold vessel
Dual GPU is dead, it only works in workstation tasks now
When was it ever viable? I’m having trouble finding research on it
little osprey
pizza still works in sli mode
cyan ravine
in games it's just not supported much anymore
potent portal
When was it ever viable? I’m having trouble finding research on it
It's been years since it was worth it, and most games don't know what to do with it these days anyway
cyan ravine
for workstation dual gpu is stonk af
untold vessel
It's been years since it was worth it, and most games don't know what to do with...
So, with lack of support, the true best performance a buyer can get right now is a 4090? —Going off of that, even if someone had a x3 4090 build, they wouldn’t get much more fps in games than a x1 4090 build? (or, those games wouldn’t even support it anyways because of lack of SLI support?)
potent portal
You would get exactly 0 extra frames with a triple 4090
Probably negative frames at that
cyan ravine
So, with lack of support, the true best performance a buyer can get right now is...
for games, 4090 is peak
if not the new ADA card that's basically a 4090 Ti for like 8K
for workstation dual 3090ti I think is still better
but it's dependent on what you're doing
potent portal
for workstation dual 3090ti I think is still better
Moar memory
untold vessel
Sheesh
cyan ravine
the RTX 6000 Ada is the one I'm thinking of
you could run one of those or two 3090 Ti's
untold vessel
I have one 11400F + 3070 FTW build. Would I be better off buying a 50 / 60 series card, or would I be better off getting a second 3070 for SLI?
potent portal
Unless you're doing 4k 120hz there's no point upgrading until next gen for you
cyan ravine
I have one 11400F + 3070 FTW build. Would I be better off buying a 50 / 60 serie...
SLI is just in general not really worth doing
untold vessel
Unless you're doing 4k 120hz there's no point upgrading until next gen for you
4K 120hz is precisely what I am doing
cyan ravine
for gaming you won't scale at all with SLI
potent portal
3070 doesn't even support SLI, the connector does not physically exist
untold vessel
No, seriously 🤣
potent portal
4K 120hz is precisely what I am doing
Then you want a 4090 for the best of the best, a 4080 or 7900 XTX would also do really well
untold vessel
I’m running cyberpunk on max everything at 4K and am getting steady 80 FPS with DLSS ultra performance
potent portal
4090 could do cp at 4k 120 ultra rt dlss quality
cyan ravine
imo of all 3 top skus, 7900 XTX is the best
you get the best value for money out of raw performance
untold vessel
YOOOOOO
coarse coral
idle wedge
How much would a 4070 be?
potent portal
STOP WITH ABREVIATING
paper summit
NO THAS JUST WEIRD
untold vessel
https://tenor.com/view/never-harrypotter-angry-fire-no-gif-4751988
Ironic how Harry is a child in this one too
paper summit
😭
untold vessel
🥶🥶😈
paper summit
STOP
untold vessel
😬😬😬
paper summit
Lmfaoo
untold vessel
4090 could do cp at 4k 120 ultra rt dlss quality
Is there anything that can do Cyberpunk 4K 120hz at max EVERYTHING (RTX Included) without dlss?
potent portal
nope
untold vessel
As a matter of fact, can anyone explain dlss for dummies? I’m getting a general* sense of “it makes pictures at 720p and upscales them” but don’t really know what that actually means
paper summit
Is there anything that can do Cyberpunk 4K 120hz at max EVERYTHING (RTX Included...
8800gt
paper summit
2007 gpu
potent portal
As a matter of fact, can anyone explain dlss for dummies? I’m getting a general*...
The upscaling works by expanding the image to fill the screen and using AI pre-processed images to fill in the missing pixels
untold vessel
🤣
cyan ravine
Is there anything that can do Cyberpunk 4K 120hz at max EVERYTHING (RTX Included...
probably something with a disgusting overclock
untold vessel
probably something with a disgusting overclock
Liquid nitro here I come
potent portal
untold vessel
The upscaling works by expanding the image to fill the screen and using AI pre-p...
Would you say it’s the same image quality as true 4K 120hz?
potent portal
It's quite close, you won't notice a difference unless you get really close and have a reference pic side by side
(in quality or balanced mode at least)
untold vessel
Sweet; I’m always a good couple feet from my Tv anyways
cyan ravine
Would you say it’s the same image quality as true 4K 120hz?
It's not, but not significant enough to notice unless it's frame gen or bad implementation
untold vessel
Could you tell me more about the differences between a mid range card and the flagships? I know they offer “50% more performance” or something along those lines, but never knew to what extent that truly meant
It just never made sense to me to spend 3-4x the money for only 2x the performance
That’s why I’ve always stuck to buying the mid range every couple gens
I think something about the about of vram inside of it matters
But I’ve never knew what it does
In a basic matter of speaking, is a 3090 simply a 3070 with more vram and other GPU stats, or is a 3090 more of an exponential upgrade, along the lines of “more stats, AND of those stats, each individual “core” is worlds better than an individual 3070 core?
If I can comfortably run 4K 120hz (dlss) with a 3070, what would ever be the point of buying a flagship? What are the true performance benefits that I’m not able to understand because of a lack of knowledge in the field?
cyan ravine
I go by SM or SP counts
but also reviews are very much just a full capture of performance
you have variations in memory, core counts, memory, clock speeds, cache sizes
etc etc etc
lots of factors that play a role in what makes a gpu go as fast as it does
Reviews make it easy because it's a snapshot of real world performance
also plenty of old GPU's can run 4K120, it just depends on what the program is
to me the 4090 would be classed as a current day 4K120 gpu, maybe 4K144
4080 and XTX just below that, 4K100-120
then you got XT, 4070TI, 3090TI, 3090, 6950XT, 6900XT at 4K60
3080 TI
below that it sorta starts looking like it could do 4k60
3070 to me would be more like, 4K30-50 imo
or a comfortable 1440p
a lot of 4K60 cards make great choices for high refresh 1440p
idle wedge
What is the difference between pressure and flow fans
tawny fiber
obsidian wigeon
Pressure focused fans are better optimized for being mounted on a radiator, where there's additional blockage to air pressure
paper summit
Stop
obsidian wigeon
Flow focused are well, as the name suggests. Puts out the most amount of air but not with as much pressure
I wouldn't swear by it tho
idle wedge
Pressure focused fans are better optimized for being mounted on a radiator, wher...
So can pressure fans be used for the case
obsidian wolf
HMMM
obsidian wigeon
As a fan can be good in both ways
obsidian wolf
I say the 6950xt can go in that 4k range
obsidian wolf
obviously a 4080 does run it a lot better though
obsidian wigeon
Or keep your expectations reasonable
obsidian wolf
Yeah
obsidian wigeon
2023 games are unoptimized af
obsidian wigeon
Thanks DLSS for making it worse
tawny fiber
I say the 6950xt can go in that 4k range
Kinda have to dial down settings destroying the point of 4k but yes
obsidian wolf
unless I am on a 4090
idle wedge
Lian li st120 or p12 argb
obsidian wigeon
We are accepting crap, unoptimized games
paper summit
Lian li st120 or p12 argb
P12
obsidian wigeon
Lian li st120 or p12 argb
p12
paper summit
Lol
obsidian wigeon
AL120 V2 is great tho
cyan ravine
let's make the decision easier
obsidian wolf
meh imma just go and put more rgb in my case so I get more fps 
obsidian wigeon
Saw hardware canucks review last night
cyan ravine
#democracy
obsidian wigeon
But p12 argb has daisy chain and all
paper summit
Lolol
obsidian wigeon
So it's gud
obsidian wigeon
Anyway
obsidian wolf
It's general knowledge 
obsidian wigeon
I hate how having upscaling tech is making devs lazier to optimize their goddamn games
obsidian wolf
I mean devs have alwasy been lazy
obsidian wigeon
It's forcing people to buy new gpu lol
idle wedge
AL120 V2 is great tho
I’m to broke for those
obsidian wolf
Since people go and buy stuff anyway
obsidian wigeon
When said current gpu is still sufficient
obsidian wolf
The market only goes and cry if the things are outrageous
obsidian wigeon
But the games aren't optimized
Fair enough
As long as the cash isn't affected
It'll only get worse
obsidian wolf
Or you can just have a Ubisoft dev crying out loud against a FromSoftware dev because the game mechanics are muah
player unfriendly.
Since everything is now grab a spoon and feed it up to the masses.
tawny fiber
Lol people turn on dlss even when they are getting good fps
It is not harming anything
obsidian wolf
Makes sense if you are trying to squish money out of it just don't complaint if majority of consumers ask for a refund or end up ostracizing you online for obvious issues
obsidian wigeon
I don't hate dlss, but it makes games more unoptimized due to it
You are only seeing the tech at face value, not the consequences that comes with it
Just watch dlss 4 come out and devs go "your 4090 can't do 4k 60 fps? go buy 5090 and use the newest dlss!"
obsidian wolf
Game devs are like: if you spent 1.6k for your graphics card then you just eat whatever garbage i throw at you for 60$
cyan ravine
I think AI upscaling is going to both make it worse and reveal some ugly sides to game development in the near future
cyan ravine
give us more vulkan games ffs game devs
tawny fiber
Get a 2060 and see for yourself how sweet it sometimes is
paper summit
I think AI upscaling is going to both make it worse and reveal some ugly sides t...
Geuss I gotta go buy a 4090
Mom's credit card
cyan ravine
Get a 2060 and see for yourself how sweet it sometimes is
I have a 6600 I don't need to replicate this
obsidian wigeon
i have a 1660s lol
paper summit
Smart
obsidian wolf
Gaming in this years have diluted into this: Oh money big money, shareholders of any big gaming corp are like, rush whatever is that your producing and milk it until there's no more value and just produce what's next. Gaming as a thing is not a thing of the passionate, is all about money and that's every business tbh but tell me, doesn't a game sell more when it feels there has been actual time behind it and things are nice, but noooooooooooooo more money the merrier and the more we sell the better even if that means creating cheap copies or bs games that will just be unplayable 2 months down the line.
paper summit
i have a 1660s lol
What's wrong with that?
obsidian wigeon
that's my only gripe
cyan ravine
1660S > 2060 is a complete sidegrade
obsidian wigeon
What's wrong with that?
nothing wrong of course
i never get to use it anyway, it's uh for mining and salad
paper summit
Mmm yes
obsidian wigeon
Got it back in 2021
paper summit
Salad
paper summit
💀
obsidian wolf
;V
Show dad new video of DLSS IN CYBERPUNK
He'll give you a loan to get the lates 4090
little osprey
trading isn't selling
paper summit
Fire
paper summit
My laptop has a 745m
idle wedge
Y’all know any fans hubs I can buy
little osprey
for lian li fans?
idle wedge
for lian li fans?
With a Nzxt radiator with probably 6 fans cuzz the case comes with 3 includes so I can add those
little osprey
i've never ordered arctic rgb fans, but don't they come w/ splitters for the pwm and the rgb?
if that's the case, it depends on the mobo, and how many headers there are
idle wedge
They don’t come with fan hubs
Just know why that can support a lot of fans that is easy to use
little osprey
not a hub, but a splitter cable...it allows the rgb to be daisychained
potent portal
But p12 argb has daisy chain and all
ST120 comes with a hub tho
little osprey
https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-ファン増設用ハブ-MFX-ZHHN-1NNN6-R1-FN1389/dp/B0892FLXDX/ref=asc_df_B0892FLXDX/?
cooler master has a basic pwm/rgb hub...there are others...u don't need a giant hub...frankly, using splitter cables into a smaller hub, or into ports on mobo allow for grouping of fans...and, it makes it easier to cable manage...but, teamforce has a hub, phanteks has a hub...shoot, they all have hubs...
idle wedge
Y’all know some lcd aio liquid coolers
potent portal
Not any good ones
There's better ways to add a LCD, cheaper too with a bigger screen
idle wedge
I like it on the pump block
little osprey
kuman 5" w/ bracket...
little osprey
um, evga, pirate ship, and msi
or, air cooler and kuman 5" + bracket + flat hdmi cable...and, maybe a usb hub
pretty sure the second option is way cheaper, and much cooler
stoic island
Pirate ship as in Corsair I assume
little osprey
yup
https://www.amazon.com/kuman-inch-Resistive-Touch-Screen/dp/B07L9XM11M/ref=sr_1_2?
how is it cheaper than when i bought it?????
obsidian wigeon
A few degrees worse for way more money
That's not a good tradeoff in my opinion just to have lcd aio
little osprey
u can output whatever u want on that 5" screen...also, they have a 7" screen w/ bracket...and, the diy factor is tru da roof
or, get that evga aio...and, spray paint it gold...
gloomy agate
The keyboard you have here is for mac lol
gloomy agate
I mean
gloomy agate
wired mechanical keyboard for mac
jagged ember
Dude, it's for both
You're good, man
I'm using it right now on my windows laptop
There's a switch to swap between Mac and windows
They give you the keycaps to make it windows
gloomy agate
Oh alr
potent portal
"You see those warriors from Hammerfell? They've got 5 fans on their GPU. 5. Fans."
https://youtu.be/tBxBUIoeNYo
paper summit
Hot
gentle pollen
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MuBqsBr4EHM/sddefault.jpg
Is that actually a card?!
cursive wharf
Is that actually a card?!
Ye, quite old
obsidian wigeon
Nah
cursive wharf
Gigglebit GTX680 Super Overclock
gentle pollen
Ooof okay lmao.
obsidian wigeon
almost no one is gonna buy such a thing anyway, they get LOUD
sinful prawn
Guys it’s taken me 4 days to install everything in
Now I have to plug all the cables
I’m scared
And I made a mess with the thermal paste and had to wipe it all off
obsidian wigeon
Paste is fine to get messy with
empty pollen
still not tuesday
empty pollen
earnest olive
@humble fossil no
humble fossil
sorry
proven salmon
What does it mean if my motherboard has a white light.
languid nimbus
What does it mean if my motherboard has a white light.
Likely gpu error
proven salmon
What should I do unplug it and plug it back?
languid nimbus
What should I do unplug it and plug it back?
Is your pc working? Any errors with it displaying and such?
languid nimbus
Yeah, I’d def get aio working, don’t wanna have pc running and cpu overheat
could try another spot (dp/hdmi) on the gpu if possible
languid nimbus
eh nah not rly
proven salmon
Should aio light be on when I turn on my pc?
sinful prawn
Guys I need help
languid nimbus
Should aio light be on when I turn on my pc?
Do the fans spin
You could just have rgb in wrong spot
(if it has rgb lol)
proven salmon
Yeah they spin
sinful prawn
I have the msi z790 and I need to know how many usb headers there are
languid nimbus
I have the msi z790 and I need to know how many usb headers there are
few different kinds of z790… tomahawk, godlike, etc
little osprey
the white gaming x trio from msi is finally on newegg 
proven salmon
My aio has 2 cables one is a 3 pin the other one is 4 pin. What cables would be for rgb
Also right next to the white light of my motherboard there is 800t next to it does that mean a specific type of problem.
sinful prawn
few different kinds of z790… tomahawk, godlike, etc
Edge
It only has two usb headers and I need to split it would it let me?
proven salmon
Can someone help me
sinful prawn
I plugged everything in but the aio is not being powered help me
It’s the kraken z73
Help me
heady kayak
I plugged everything in but the aio is not being powered help me
Did you plug the pump into SATA power
sinful prawn
Did you plug the pump into SATA power
Yea
The fan work, but the pump does not and on the monitor in the boot screen it says my pc is over heating
frigid night
read the manual
What's a manual?
sinful prawn
did you remove the plastic sticker on the bottom of the cold plate?
Yes
south cliff
It’s not turning on
wdym
sinful prawn
wdym
I plugged it is like it said … the fans works but the pump will not cool and the lcd screen won’t turn on
I thought I was working for a second cause I got to install windows then it overheated and turned off
What do I do?
Call Newegg support?
Can they even help me?
idle wedge
If I buy like the 4070 ti that comes with 16 to two 8 pin connectors and if I buy a cable extension that uses like three 8 pin connectors do I plug all three cables in or plug only 2 in the extension to the gpu?
sinful prawn
I saw a person say the z series mother boards have faulty usb header, I am going to try a regular micro ubs see if it works if not I got to return it
Can someone add me, I can show you guys on cam
Maybe you can help me
earnest olive
I saw a person say the z series mother boards have faulty usb header, I am going...
lol what
this is news to me
never had usb header issues on z87, z97, z170, z370, z490, z590, or z690
sinful prawn
I don’t know all I know is he used a regular micro usb and plugged it to the back of the mb instead of the header
At a least it turned on and didn’t catch in fire
And windows installed
Newegg says I can return it but not exchange
obsidian wigeon
That's the mobo's built in i/o
You can use that but honestly it's more convenient to be able to use the case connectors
jagged ember
You can use that but honestly it's more convenient to be able to use the case co...
Looks nicer too
Much cleaner
dim reef
does a 3060 give more fps than a 6700xt
dim reef
ok
tawny fiber
It can give more fps then 3060ti a lot of the times let alone a 3060
mossy venture
does a 3060 give more fps than a 6700xt
No, not in most scenarios
elder river
Will a 650W power supply be powerful enough for a 3060ti or 6700xt?
obsidian wolf
Yeah I have a 650 W PSU with a 6950 xt 
elder river
Alright ty
mossy venture
Will a 650W power supply be powerful enough for a 3060ti or 6700xt?
Depends on model
As long as it's C tier or higher on the list pinned in #cases-psu-and-cooling you'll be fine
elder river
Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 650W 80+ Gold SLI/ CrossFire Ready Ultra Quiet 140mm Hydraulic Bearing Smart Zero Fan Full Modular Power Supply 10 Year Warranty PS-TPD-0650FNFAGU-1 https://a.co/d/fyrrelP
This was the 1 I was planing on getting
Im having a hard time reading the list but I don’t think it’s in D or lower just from looking at those
mossy venture
Oh it isn't A tier anymore?
elder river
6700xt out preforms the 3060ti?
elder river
I mainly play games that would benefit from nvidia cards but don’t really know how much of a difference it makes
obsidian wigeon
But you can also score 3070 for that price
elder river
Alright I’ll keep looking
obsidian wigeon
Like this one on ebay
It's zotac but it being 3 fans more than makes up for it
paper summit
not really
In non rt it absolutely outperforms it lol
elder river
It's zotac but it being 3 fans more than makes up for it
I’m tryna get everything local but may have to settle on something on eBay if I can’t find a decent one here
paper summit
isn't 6700xt behind 3070?
Barely iirc compooper beat it in 3d mark lol on his asrock card
But that's 3d mark
elder river
Can’t I get like a 6750xt for like 370-380
elder river
Wouldn’t that be the best deal?
paper summit
I think my 6700xt performs like a 6750 at 2.8ghz
cyan ravine
That wouldn't surprise me
obsidian wigeon
349 bucks is for cheapest 6750xt
i have nvidia bias myself so i like the idea of getting used 3070
obsidian wigeon
I don't let my own opinion influence recommendations at least 
elder river
I prefer nvidia but if they preform the same/similar I’ll get the 6750xt
obsidian wigeon
3750xt is dab smack at 3070
but the plus is you get new with warranty
hmm, looks like cheapest 6750xt is 379 rn
kinda sadge
elder river
I’ll probably settle for the used 3070 tbh
paper summit
(I didn't fact check this)
cyan ravine
Next gen verto is nice
obsidian wigeon
I like the looks of that
cyan ravine
Good design, good thermals, nothing to complain about
obsidian wigeon
But for me I'm not picky with any 40 series gpus
They're all overbuilt anyway
Thanks high standards
elder river
Well I just secured a deal for a 3070 for 350
obsidian wolf
Nice
gloomy agate
4070 Ti gonna be nice for ai learning
heady kayak
4070 Ti gonna be nice for ai learning
not with that 12GB it won’t
gloomy agate
not with that 12GB it won’t
yeah it will
heady kayak
🤨
gloomy agate
can i use cpu and ram too?
heady kayak
what
heady kayak
not really
fossil cedar
not with that 12GB it won’t
12gb is plenty
Sure more is better but 12gb will do just fine
heady kayak
😬
regal shard
8gb of vram is so bad
tawny fiber
🚮
leaden mauve
gtx 1070 gang
earnest olive
i just bought a 6gb card 😦
wide sparrow
De-modded
earnest olive
sorry me poor
sinful prawn
Guys
It’s not working
The aio is not turning on
I went into bios and changed it to dc
I checked the mb by plugging a fan into the cpu fan and cpu pump and they worked but the kraken z73 is not working
I really need help
dusty cedar
is it new?
earnest olive
probably just a defective unit or a bad mount
is there an rpm reading?
what's the temps in bios?
sinful prawn
is it new?
Brand new
sinful prawn
is there an rpm reading?
For the fans
sinful prawn
what's the temps in bios?
34c
earnest olive
that sounds normal
idle wedge
If I buy like the 4070 ti that comes with 16 to two 8 pin connectors and if I buy a cable extension that uses like three 8 pin connectors do I plug all three cables in or plug only 2 in the extension to the gpu?
runic spruce
If I buy like the 4070 ti that comes with 16 to two 8 pin connectors and if I bu...
Like from the psu to the extensions then into the connector?
Or like a new 16 pin with 3 connectors
idle wedge
Or like a new 16 pin with 3 connectors
So like the gpu comes with a 16 with 2 connectors
And I want to buy an extension
But it’s
16 to threee 8 pin
runic spruce
Or like a new 16 pin with 3 connectors
U can plug all 3 in, gpu will only pull as much power as it needs. It has a tdp limit
idle wedge
If I just plug 2
runic spruce
It should be fine
idle wedge
Will it work
runic spruce
Tbh I don’t know so I’d just plug all 3 In
Gpu will only draw the power it needs
And it should work with just 2 I think but I might be wrong
I’d just get a 16 extension with 2 connectors if u don’t have enough from your psu for 3
idle wedge
The one I was thinking about only had 4 connectors for 8 pin
I’m using 2 already for cpu
And that leaves 2 out
runic spruce
What cpu are u using?
2 connectors to the cpu is usally overkill most of the time
But the gpu connectors should have like an extra connector to them
I’ll get a picture
idle wedge
Either i5 13600k or i9 12800k
idle wedge
But the gpu connectors should have like an extra connector to them
They look bad
runic spruce
Something like this
I’d just get a 16 pci cable with 2 connectors
They do sell them
Oh wait I just realized it was 3
I’d check the reviews to see if it works with just 2, tho i think it would work
Oh wait nvm they do sell them braided with just 2 I’m dumb
idle wedge
Wha
I’m trying to find one at cable mod for 20
But only sell 16 to three 8 pin
Unless I buy a different psu
Any recommendations for 850 watt psu
mossy venture
idle wedge
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FKZXsY/enermax-revolution-df-2-850-w-80-gold-ce...
Only got 4 8 pin
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YYZ9TW/nzxt-c850-2022-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-pa-8g1bb-us
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P7pmP6/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-pe-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-1
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/phVmP6/thermaltake-toughpower-gf3-tt-premium-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-4
pretty sure that last one is atx 3.0
dusty cedar
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FKZXsY/enermax-revolution-df-2-850-w-80-gold-ce...
i have this and it only comes with 3 pcie power cables and 1 that splits into 2 for the cpu power
2 sata power and 1 molex power
i dont think it has support for 4 pci
runic spruce
Any recommendations for 850 watt psu
I’d just use the stock cable
Or check Amazon for a extension
sinful prawn
guys
I think this really nice z73 kraken is a joke
the lcd screen will not work
a friend says I should update the bios but I dont know if that will help
what do you guys thing?
gentle pollen
what do you guys thing?
I am not a pro at this but it's always good to update your bios so I recommend trying that first.
fleet heron
yall know if this website is good? ive had it recommended by a friend to use when looking for monitors and mice but i thought i should ask you guys for an opinion
rtings
cyan ravine
Rtings is a very good website
Also I would def recommend the pro over the ultimate if you're considering
But only if the price difference is marginal
And you're not really someone who likes heft to a mouse
fleet heron
yup i already got the pro i was looking at that because i wanted to see what they rate the mouse on
fleet heron
ah you also got it nice
yea first i got the viper mini but i needed to upgrade bc now my hands are much bigger
so i did
cyan ravine
Ye I have that and the DA V3
fleet heron
ah nice!
fleet heron
da as in deathradder?
cyan ravine
Ye
fleet heron
ah kk
fleet heron
I have ptfe mice as well for work lol
woah you got an enitre collection
cyan ravine
Ye
fleet heron
one mouse is enough for me
cyan ravine
Well I like wireless so I alternate mice
cyan ravine
Ye
fleet heron
a
cyan ravine
I use a naga for cad work
Having 21 buttons is helpful lol
And my old DA V2 I just keep around if I need another mouse for a bit
cyan ravine
Don't get me wrong I'm only like this with their mice lmao
cyan ravine
My favourite is def the DA V3 tho
fleet heron
why!?
cyan ravine
It feels the most natural to me
fleet heron
It feels the most natural to me
ah thats just personal preferance
cyan ravine
Ye
fleet heron
but i see what you mean
fleet heron
im biast to the viper mini and the ultimate ive had them for so long
fleet heron
If I was left handed I'd prefer viper
most left handed people just learn how to use a keyboard and mouse like right handed people
cyan ravine
Lol
fleet heron
its just cus of some mice not having left side buttons
cyan ravine
Ya
fleet heron
at least that why i learnt
cyan ravine
Ultimate does
fleet heron
mhm!
cyan ravine
Ultimate is totally ambidextrous
cyan ravine
Lol
fleet heron
symmetrical
cyan ravine
what mousepad should i get
Ask in #peripherals-and-displays
idle wedge
Y’all know any vertical mounts that perform well for brokies
sinful prawn
It’s soo horrible you buy a really nice part then it just doesn’t work right
It’s just crazy
I wonder if they will charge for the return package
cunning knoll
hey could someone please help me out with a build around 650? im not sure where to start
cunning knoll
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HMH7Q6
thank you very much sorry i forgot about the monitor do you think you’d be able to add in a monitor thatd fit the budget as well?
cyan ravine
If you need a monitor as well I would consider saving another 150$
For this one
Reason I say this is below about 600-ish is you take some severe performance penalties
cunning knoll
damn okay would it be possible to have the pc around 600 then and i can save some more money for the monitor
cyan ravine
Sure
cunning knoll
i really appreciate the help
strong raft
RVU is much lighter than my DA essential, it's so obvious, especially w/o cable drag.
cyan ravine
Ya but DA V3 pro is lighter than RVU
cyan ravine
i really appreciate the help
Find the gpu second hand for that price ±$10
I wouldn't go any lower at all, the $75 is worth every cent extra imo
cunning knoll
okay thanks again
cyan ravine
If you're looking at months and months away of saving there are lower options but the performance hit is quite big is all
Like you could do this but the cpu hit is quite big
And the case sucks but it's functional
Or better yet this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZBBG9r
And just forsake the case altogether until you have enough money to get a decent one
Which is what I'd do in a pinch tbh
Pc on motherboard box is a totally fine way to use it
Then stick it in the case when you've got one later
cunning knoll
obsidian wigeon
ram is same price as the kit felix looked at
obsidian wolf
It's just me trying
obsidian wigeon
but with much better latency
obsidian wigeon
yeah we're just saying it for face value
obsidian wolf
but to be honest
obsidian wigeon
no that we're not appreciating the effort
obsidian wolf
for the graphics card price in here
you can go buy an used 6700
which is far better price wise
I think 180$ some I have seem in pc builds online.
obsidian wigeon
180 is difficult for a 6700
obsidian wolf
it is
but!!!
If you catch it
Take it in a minute
In a not so much of a ultra saving build, how about this one?
actually manage to find for 3 bucks more a 6800xt
:VVV
obsidian wigeon
i don't see any issues other than case choice
there's focus 2 for cheaper
but other than that it's a decent build
obsidian wolf
I mean for 9 bucks more than this I got my Liam li 215 in a deal with the 2 280 argb fans and the one in the back.
obsidian wigeon
eh
focus 2 has two rgb fans on front already for the price of less than 70 bucks tbh
and it has mesh front, so airflow ain't gonna be blocked
obsidian wolf
Nice, I guess case goes more on looks part at this point for many due to the airflow ability of many good cases out there
but that's just me though
Honestly I was looking to spent 140$ + on the Fractal North Design
(Still is out of stock everywhere I search)
obsidian wolf
menn
One week before doing my build
2 or 3 in stock
1 close to a walmart by my house
1 in best buy
and 1 at micro
obsidian wigeon
I like deepcool ch370 even though it doesn't come with any fans preinstalled
It's a nice matx case for only 60 bucks
obsidian wolf
yeah lol
only option right now is in some weird website for a warehouse 50$ delivery by may 8 :VVV
cyan ravine
It's just me trying
Don't worry man, you should've seen the builds I was doing at the start too
We all start somewhere, like riding a bike
obsidian wolf
Thx
I am trying to squished builds right now, this cheap used GPU are making it a bit easier ngl
cyan ravine
Oh yeah, used as much as possible is how you make the margins for flipping
obsidian wolf
But sadly I can not do the same for my Latin American friends looking to upgrade their rig in Colombia or Argentina
obsidian wolf
My Colombia friend can not find the prices i have for his build that I share here like 2 months ago and is the one he’s doing
What would cost for me 700$
Is gonna end up costing him around 1300$
And my Argentinian friends just cry every time the 3060 just goes up in price every day due to inflation rising on a daily basis
obsidian wolf
(brazil)
Meh the taxation on imports in Brazil is absolutely/astronomically f up
A PS5 going for almost 2000$
:/
cyan ravine
Ya
obsidian wolf
What’s funny Colombia has the same
cyan ravine
I feel them man, it's probably cheaper to fly to another country and grab a laptop
obsidian wolf
I feel them man, it's probably cheaper to fly to another country and grab a lapt...
I was thinking of just bringing the pieces for him at some point if he gave me the money
But then I saw the tax on the 500$ then it would end up costing the same it would cost for him to build it down there
obsidian wolf
But the thing that makes it the most ludicrous for me is that he’s from the coast area of Colombia, but to get the pieces he wants he’s gonna have to travel to Bogota which is like a 6-8 bus drive from where he lives
I complaint about the Dominican Republic but men I love the fact that in DR you can find computer component prices at a similar price that you find them here in the US
Saw a 3070 going in a market in DR for like 18900$ pesos which is like 370 or 80
cyan ravine
That's dope actually
cyan ravine
Here I get like a 10-30% markup
obsidian wolf
Better than some you are finding here
cyan ravine
Phillipines is where it's the worst for a lot of friends
50% markup and the prices never go down
They still live in a gpu apocalypse
obsidian wolf
cyan ravine
The same build 2 years ago still costs the same today
obsidian wolf
valve corporal gaining on each game translating to prices every where
obsidian wolf
The same build 2 years ago still costs the same today
Men that sucks
obsidian wolf
I don’t know a lot about the south East Asian markets and how the tax works down there but seems Philippines is like the long far away forgotten Latino brother I guess they have the same Latin American tendency of only having cheap food but electronically wise setting the general population back to 2010
Men
500$ for a 3060 seems like the COVID shortages
And not even
Well similar I would say and even less
Some 3060 where really expensive back them
I wonder what are the people that bough 3090’s for 3000$ doing right now
Do they regret the investment
Or they are so out of touch with actual computer prices that they just said I want the best and I just make bank from walking into my job for a minute
cyan ravine
They should follow that 3090 to the grave
obsidian wolf
People may complaint about AMD (I kinda doo too) but that injection of AMD cards into the market did save a lot of people from buying over price cards
So sad that they where soon to follow the trend of super expensive stuff with the XTX
(The card is good, but common be the reality that you are and the reality why customers appreciate your work)
Your prices!!!!!
cyan ravine
Ya
I think AMD has been quite good lately
Still a ways to go but definitely an all amd pc is totally usable these days
gentle pollen
I am looking for motherboards for the R7 5700g cpu I got and I was wondering if I'd need Bios flashback if I went with a B450M board? Preferably I'd like to stay sub-100$ for this upgrade. I'm in Mexico, also the board needs to have at least 2 M.2 slots for my storage drives. Thanks in advance!
obsidian wigeon
I am looking for motherboards for the R7 5700g cpu I got and I was wondering if ...
ye you will need flashback
trail vale
is 550 W is enough for Ryzen 5600g + RX 6650xt
obsidian wigeon
yeah as long as it's a decent unit
but i wouldn't do 5600g
that cpu performs like 3600
go for 5600 instead
trail vale
ok Thanks
distant musk
what’s a nice 800$ pc build no case or psu
mossy venture
what’s a nice 800$ pc build no case or psu
US?
do you need a monitor?
and what case/psu do you have
fossil cedar
Think they're qatar or something iirc which means a us build won't be relevent
distant musk
and what case/psu do you have
Evga 650w
Montech air 100 lite
Could change if necessary
fossil cedar
If you don't I'd do this
https://qa.pcpartpicker.com/list/RYCCH2
@distant musk
gentle pollen
Is Q-Flash the same as Bios Flash?
obsidian wigeon
it is
gentle pollen
it is
Probably a dumb question but is there a difference between Q-Flash and Q-Flash Plus?
Or are they two names for the same thing?
obsidian wigeon
they're just same thing but different name
do check for a button on the back of the mobo tho
the i/o
fossil cedar
gigabyte doesnt do that usually its on the bottom
only gigabyte call it q flash too so
gentle pollen
I saw a couple boards with Q-Flash just found out that they'd put it on the bottom from the one I looked at.
Would this motherboard work with my R7-5700g?
fossil cedar
yup
gentle pollen
Found this was wondering why it has so many PCIE 4.0x16 slots...
https://www.amazon.com.mx/Gigabyte-B550-UD-AC-802-11a/dp/B0BTQ3SVFR/ref=mp_s_a_1_67?crid=1IOH7NXUCIAQZ&keywords=b550+bio+flash&qid=1680113511&sprefix=b550+bio+flash%2Caps%2C118&sr=8-67&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.66c34496-0d28-4d73-a0a1-97a8d87ec0b2
heady kayak
Found this was wondering why it has so many PCIE 4.0x16 slots...
https://www.ama...
Most of them are x1
heady kayak
Mining
gentle pollen
Oh?
heady kayak
mhm
fossil cedar
Found this was wondering why it has so many PCIE 4.0x16 slots...
https://www.ama...
not like youll be able to use any pcie 4 slots as more than pcie 3 slots with a 5700g anyway
gentle pollen
not like youll be able to use any pcie 4 slots as more than pcie 3 slots with a ...
ik
heady kayak
and add in cards lol
I don’t see why you’d have a bunch of x16 slots for that
fossil cedar
no the 1x
heady kayak
pretty sure it’s just a meme tier mining build, A4000s were extremely popular when this came out
frigid night
@austere condor sick build. I feel like a tinge yellow liquid could really go well with it.
desert gulch
I'll uh, be the provider of said product
elder river
A 3050 for 180 a good deal or nah?
obsidian wolf
There must be used options out there far better than that
Or
Wait for those deals
Coming from someone that did his whole build with deals
elder river
I’m about to buy a 3070 for 300 on eBay
obsidian wolf
I’m about to buy a 3070 for 300 on eBay
Damn really nice!
What’s your planned build?
elder river
So an i5-12600k with a z690 Aorus, originally was gonna get a 6600 for 230, 1tb ssd, 32gb ram, and 650W GF1 psu
Only thing I’m really changing around is the gpu rn
obsidian wolf
Mmmm you are going with a good cpu have you check into deals
?
To probably get the ram, mobo and cpu in one set
obsidian wolf
Aight bet
I’ll try this for the first time, I do it with others like my friends but I am trying to give a fair suggestion for you
elder river
I have some parts already picked out just planing on buying everything tmr night-Saturday
Only thing I’m really juggling around is the gpu
obsidian wolf
Got you
You know that if you go with a ryzen procesor in micro you get a deal on a 6950
?
elder river
I’m going in on Friday I’ll ask about it
obsidian wolf
I get it those days before doing the build is when you start thinking about all the prices
cyan ravine
elder river
Ik it’s not gonna be with the processor but I’m just making sure
Cuz that would actually be insane for them to do that
But pretty sure it’s going to be over my budget if I pick this deal
obsidian wolf
So is it 650 including the processor or 650+whatever cpu u pick?
No only ryzen cpu
cyan ravine
Aimfully what's your budget total for the pc
elder river
1k
cyan ravine
Alr
obsidian wolf
No case included felix
cyan ravine
Alr
cyan ravine
@elder river wifi or nah
elder river
Ideally yes
cyan ravine
Save a good few bucks if you don't need it
elder river
But I have ethernet
cyan ravine
Alr it's good savings without
elder river
I may need it when I go back to my moms house
obsidian wolf
Wifi included mb in micro let me see
obsidian wolf
Because I was ideally looking at their 192$ deal with the 5600x and Asus Prime B450M-A II Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Asus Prime B450M-A II
cyan ravine
That's a decent price if he didn't need wifi
obsidian wolf
Yep
Would it be ok to run 1 stick of ram 16gb ddr5 5200 cl 36?
Because we can look at the other deal that does come with a wifi mobo
elder river
Alright
cyan ravine
obsidian wolf
Mmm go t you
cyan ravine
Good for 1440p gaming
You could sorta toss on a better cpu? But you won't really gain much
Unless you're playing like star citizen 24/7
Or something else terribly cpu intensive like an RTS
obsidian wolf
Mmm he could still manage to get something better within the 1000 margin if he does the deal from micro but buys the ram somewhere else
let me see
cyan ravine
You might stretch a little better maybe
Next gpu step up is a good $100 or so
If you can find cpu+mobo for 240 or less tho it could be worth doing
@elder river https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KMxWFg got it down to $1010
That said the other list has a far better motherboard for that extra 10
elder river
I can probably do this also can look around locally for some parts aswell
cyan ravine
That said the other list has a far better motherboard for that extra 10
Kinda worth if you want a 5800x3d later
cyan ravine
I can probably do this also can look around locally for some parts aswell
Used 3080 12gb maybe, but 6800xt is about equally as fast and new
paper summit
Crazy how capable a 1000dollar rig is now
cyan ravine
Maybe a used 6900 xt 
paper summit
Could do a decent amount of 4k too (not 120fps lol)
elder river
Cuz I see a 3070 for 300 which may be worth since I’ll have spare money to get other better parts
cyan ravine
This is just for games ye?
elder river
Yeah
cyan ravine
Then 3070 is worse
cyan ravine
And a better cpu won't really scale to make up for that loss
paper summit
Then 3070 is worse
Alot worse lmfao
obsidian wolf
He could get used gpu and make those 380 into something a lot bigger if he wishes to get a used 6800xt from ebay
for 3$ more
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yxdvXy
Nah that deal isn't really worth it
obsidian wolf
really
cyan ravine
Yeah x570s is a waste for that combo
obsidian wolf
On wifi mobo combos apparently that's their best unless let me see
cyan ravine
X570s is good don't get me wrong, but don't need anything like that for a 5600 lol
paper summit
Even the 5800x3d will be fine on b550 lol
cyan ravine
Try looking on the intel side. Micro center has good intel combos
obsidian wolf
Yeah let me see
paper summit
I'm using a 5900x on one
obsidian wolf
cyan ravine
That's excellent if you can guarantee they work together out of the box
Lemme chuck that in rq
cyan ravine
Ye but if they guarantee that it'll work out of the box when you get it then no need for it
Worth a shot at least
obsidian wolf
He can ask in microcenter
cyan ravine
Ye
obsidian wolf
If it doesn't right now the build is like 850 with taxes included
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3gmQrD
This build instead of the one in reply if the micro center deal works out:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XkKkpH
You get 2TB SSD instead of 1TB
Pretty stacked this build now
Good for extreme 1440p or 4k60
elder river
Idek if imma need 2tb of storage tbh
cyan ravine
Hm alr
elder river
I have like 4 games imma keep installed everything else imma delete after I complete
cyan ravine
@obsidian wolf can you see if there's a 5700x combo there for sub 260
obsidian wolf
yeah let me see
obsidian wolf
obsidian wolf
8 cores too
enough for the next 10 years
lmao
but he wants wifi though
that's the thing
cyan ravine
Ah true
obsidian wolf
I understand because I also didn't go for cheaper deal
cyan ravine
Keep looking
obsidian wolf
because of wifi
cyan ravine
elder river
I don’t need Wi-Fi now
obsidian wolf
wifi optios are above 300$
cyan ravine
LOL
obsidian wolf
them this works
cyan ravine
He likes this one
obsidian wolf
for you
elder river
I will just get a Wi-Fi in like 2 months
Not in a rush for it
Or imma just get a extra long Ethernet cable
obsidian wolf
them let me add on top
elder river
Run it through the whole house
cyan ravine
obsidian wolf
the x version
cyan ravine
Amazing list ngl
cyan ravine
It should
elder river
I don’t see a cpu cooler on the list
cyan ravine
I don’t see a cpu cooler on the list
Ye cos amd ships stock coolers in the boxes but not for 5700x apparently
obsidian wolf
elder river
Man gpu’s r expensive
cyan ravine
The gpu will be good for a while tho
obsidian wolf
the 6800 xt he's sending is really good and again you can get a used one if you don't mid for like 383 in ebay
cyan ravine
It's a 4k worthy card
obsidian wolf
but if you want the new one 583$
cyan ravine
I'd say with 8 cores and a 6800xt you're pretty close to endgame
5800x3d would be the next and final step
obsidian wolf
Btw felix for 7 bucks more he could the kingston ssd
languid nimbus
7950x3d 
obsidian wolf
btw is monitor included already in the 1000$ budget or nah?
cyan ravine
Oh if monitor was included I'd get the 6800XT used then grab a 200-ish 1440p
obsidian wolf
if there's the deal
you could get the one I have
$250 1440p 180 hz acer
Also a deal
don't know if they have any
I got the chance to catch the last one
jejeje
obsidian wolf
1920?
languid nimbus
the x27q stays around $199, typically goes on sale
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HYZ9TW/hp-x32-315-2560x1440-165-hz-monitor-2v7v2aaaba this would be the go to imo
cyan ravine
Only catch is no vesa mount but that's, meh
elder river
Damn
cyan ravine
Too powerful
cyan ravine
Lol
cyan ravine
Lol