building-and-recc-chat

[potent portal]

And no way it's that low

Yeah there's even Z790 boards with it

[tawny fiber]

10400f to 13500

[torpid fog]

wild

[potent portal]

No that board will hard throttle a 13500

[tawny fiber]

13500 is a 65w part iirc

[potent portal]

And if you put more than 50W through those VRM they will overheat

[torpid fog]

ehh, it'd probably do as well as b560 a pro did with 11400's

just some airflow over vrm

just spending over $60 on a board that bleh sounds terrible

[obsidian wigeon]

13500 is gonna consume over 65w stock

cause the stock cooler can

[torpid fog]

9 phases seems fine enough for a 13500

[potent portal]

It's not about the phase count

The 13500 uses over 100W in tests

[torpid fog]

hey now, HALF the vrm has heatsinks

[torpid fog]

so did the 11400 lol

[potent portal]

It's only 6 phases for the cores

100W+ over 6 phases just sounds like a bad time

[torpid fog]

fair

[tawny fiber]

Hmmm It's total system consumption doesn't give a picture of how much the cpu only draws tho

[torpid fog]

jesus christ

[potent portal]

Right HUB isn't great about that

You have to look elsewhere for power

[torpid fog]

pmd

[potent portal]

Intel says

Considering that makes it 26W per phase and many of them don't have any kind of cooling, they WILL overheat

[tawny fiber]

Was there any word of h710

[potent portal]

6W SSD controllers are overheating if they're not cooled

[potent portal]

Unlikely that will exist

In the past Intel has skipped H boards on second gen of a socket

[obsidian wigeon]

there's h510 tho

[torpid fog]

to be fair, b460 couldnt run 11th

h410 couldnt either

so h510 made sense

[potent portal]

It's hard to find info without coming up with NZXT H710

[obsidian wigeon]

lolol

[potent portal]

Everything I'm seeing says it won't exist

[tawny fiber]

Oh there is h770

Stock should be non existent of that here

[potent portal]

Considering there's only 2 H770 boards yeah

One is DDR4 and the other is DDR5

[cyan ravine]

Imagine nzxt suing intel for bad boards vs bad cases

[obsidian wigeon]

H770 with A770

[potent portal]

Better yet, H710 in a H710 with an A770

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

[torpid fog]

i still havent managed to sell my a750

no one wants that garbage

[torpid fog]

gt 710

[tawny fiber]

Performs worse then a 1080ti iirc

I wouldn't take it either

[obsidian wigeon]

249 new tho

lol

[torpid fog]

it wont sell for brand new $300 aud lol

cheapest retail here is 400 range

[potent portal]

I'll buy one once AV1 is better supported. I need a new transcoder for my server.

[tawny fiber]

Also the card has artifacts in a select few games like halo infinite

[torpid fog]

a380 exists for that

[mossy venture]

If I learn to code I'll be a transcoder

[potent portal]

My poor Radeon HD 5770 literally can't handle 720p transcode

[mossy venture]

drum snare

[obsidian wigeon]

arc keeps getting fixes

[torpid fog]

used rx 480 is dirt cheap

[obsidian wigeon]

im confident enough with it lol

[torpid fog]

7970 (my favorite card of all time) is even cheaper

[potent portal]

Yeah it's improved a lot, it's almost to where you can recommend it for the more adventurous gamer

[tawny fiber]

Now I will take a750 over 480

[obsidian wigeon]

reminds me of radeon 5000 at launch

[torpid fog]

i wouldnt buy an a770 for $100

[obsidian wigeon]

i would

[torpid fog]

i got my card for free and i still want a refund

[tawny fiber]

More guarantee that it would keep up with a 3060ti I would ngl

[potent portal]

Yo what a steal better jump on this

But really WTF is up with ebay selling A750 starting at $400

USED

[torpid fog]

mine dosent sell on ebay for $350 aud lol

LE card too

[potent portal]

Well who's gonna buy it anyway, the dingos?

[torpid fog]

true

[tawny fiber]

Is performance subpar?

[torpid fog]

no pure rasterization is fine when it works

just buggy and software sucks

and ocing it is pain

https://hwbot.org/submission/5131618

stock sub with power limits removed

well, maxed out on slider

this is pre unlimited power limit bug was found

[tawny fiber]

Ik a a750 owner and he seems to always complain about artifacts and stuff in games

[cyan ravine]

Trade 1650 LP for it

Lol

[torpid fog]

trade for a 1660

[cyan ravine]

Ah don't have

• crie *

[torpid fog]

buy it offa me for $300

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[torpid fog]

it is very usable and good i swear

[cyan ravine]

Does it come with melted backplate

[torpid fog]

i glued the backplate back on lol

[potent portal]

I have an old workstation GPU I can trade for it. The only catch is it only has a DMS-59 port.

[cyan ravine]

PERFECT

[torpid fog]

is it like an nvs 300 lol

[potent portal]

idfk

[torpid fog]

i bought like 6 nvs 300's for hwbot cheapaz chips thing last year

jesus christ they were pain

[cyan ravine]

I like how we have Hardware Sadists and Hardware Masochists in this world

[torpid fog]

im inbetween

[potent portal]

I swing too lol

[torpid fog]

i only find fun in benching fun stuff

[cyan ravine]

Rn I'm definitely Masochist with this stupid unify x

[torpid fog]

benching or doing stuff with boring hardware is mind numbing

[potent portal]

I really need a freaking kvm switch

[torpid fog]

i love kvm switches

[cyan ravine]

They make swinging a lot easier

[potent portal]

I need one so I don't need to keep doing ssh to manage my server

[tawny fiber]

Wish I could take the zero of the new razer mouse price tag

28$

[cyan ravine]

Just get a viper mini for like $18

Why does it need to be the special one lol

[torpid fog]

i still use a deathadder v2 lol

[potent portal]

NVS 290 even

[torpid fog]

it's so old the switches r super soft

[potent portal]

Just did lspci

[torpid fog]

never even heard of that one

what in the world is a G86 lol

[potent portal]

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/quadro-nvs-290.c1453

[torpid fog]

oh i actually have a gt86 gpu lol

i have a 9400 gt

somewhere

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/gt86-86-toyota-mfg-mf-ghost-gif-25765056

[potent portal]

[torpid fog]

very usable

nvs 300 superiority

actually it's nearly 25% better than an nvs300 lmao

nvs 300 is same core as 210, slightly better clocks

[potent portal]

NVS 300 is 4 years newer though

[cyan ravine]

I love how it's slightly better and yet 20%

Lol

[torpid fog]

old gpus r so weird lol

[potent portal]

Wow that is weird indeed

[torpid fog]

viper mini is so cheap wtf

[cyan ravine]

Mhm

[torpid fog]

i should buy one lol

[cyan ravine]

The $18 wasn't really a lie

[torpid fog]

it's $41 on amazon atm

[cyan ravine]

Close enough

Lol

[torpid fog]

dirt cheap for good mice tbf

[cyan ravine]

That's like $28usd

[torpid fog]

i hate peripheral prices

yeah

[cyan ravine]

Viper mini is great, very good sensor and optical switches for that price

[torpid fog]

holy much smaller is it from regular deathadder v2?

[cyan ravine]

Cable doesn't even drag so it never really feels wired

[torpid fog]

not deathadder mini

[cyan ravine]

Not a lot

Viper mini is barely smaller than a regular viper

And viper is same size as DA V2

[torpid fog]

im trying to find pics to get a scale

wtf i found 3d models lmao

lemme just put the models next to each other

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[potent portal]

They've been doing that for a lot of gaming mice lately so you can print it and see if your hand fits it well

[torpid fog]

huh wild

that's smart

[cyan ravine]

Honestly just build the rest of the mouse at that point imo

Lol

[torpid fog]

10mm difference in length, 9mm in width

not a whole lot

[potent portal]

Yeah I only need a few optical switches and a 8khz sensor, ez

[cyan ravine]

Yeah 10mm sounds about right

Who needs 8k

Just get a normal 1k sensor

Copy the viper mini one

[potent portal]

But I have that already in my G502

So why would I sidegrade

[cyan ravine]

Then take it out of the g502 duh

Not sidegrading if only using plastic feed

Smh

[potent portal]

But muh xtra buttens

[cyan ravine]

Left and right click all you need

[potent portal]

You take that back

[cyan ravine]

[potent portal]

Nah the apple way is one button

[cyan ravine]

I'm not backscrollin nothin

[torpid fog]

i didnt like my g502 at all

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/scroll-mouse-gif-15452525

[cyan ravine]

G502 is a small dagger

[potent portal]

I'm always using the freewheel feature on this thing

[cyan ravine]

Scrollin that pcpartpicker

[torpid fog]

can i palm grip on viper mini?

[cyan ravine]

Depends on ur hands

[potent portal]

Nah scrollin those EULA docs that make you scroll 300 pages to the bottom to hit "accept"

[cyan ravine]

If big hands not really palm

Medium small palm yeah

[cyan ravine]

Meanwhile me

Scrollin an msi bios with no answers

[torpid fog]

ill just buy a viper mini and if it dosent fit my hand ill just put it on the test bench lol

[potent portal]

I use my old G502 on my server, the one that started double clicking and I got it replaced under warranty

That one scrolls open source code with the freewheel

[torpid fog]

bruh

i hate razer software

i just opened it for the first time in like 2 years and none of my binds or macros are there

and it auto wiped it from my mouses memory

i hate software

[potent portal]

razer moment

[analog hearth]

my G502 had double-clicking issues six months after purchasing

[frigid night]

Laughs in Orochi v2 double click after 4 months

Gotta get a different mouse before I send this one in on warranty.

[opal ember]

i need help. does anyone have a pc case that’s less than 55$ that they recommend?

[frigid night]

$45

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vYp323/cougar-mx330-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330

$55

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7fn8TW/cougar-mx330-g-air-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330-g-air

[opal ember]

this one looks great! thanks a lot

@frigid night are they the same case but ones with fans?

[mossy venture]

Yes

Well, one has more (the air has more)

[opal ember]

wdym?

@mossy venture

[frigid night]

The 1st one only has 1 fan. The other comes with 3 fans I believe.

[opal ember]

yea your right.

[frigid night]

The 2nd one also has RGB fans if I'm not mistaken.

If that matters to you.

[opal ember]

yea

[mossy venture]

LED fans, not rgb

Theyre stuck with that bluish white light

[dusky hearth]

$10 for leds not worth ngl

[mossy venture]

It's two extra fans

$10/2 fans is pretty good

[hallow glen]

same

no problems

[brittle spindle]

I want to replace my 500 watt power supply with a 700 watt power supply, will I run into any issues doing that?

[languid nimbus]

same

[mossy venture]

What psus are they

[languid nimbus]

^

[brittle spindle]

A 500 watt evga bq to maybe a 700 watt Corsair power supply, but if it’s a problem maybe I could get a 700 watt goldnova

[mossy venture]

Corsair doesn't have any 700w psus, id just get a 750w (700w psus normally aren't great, for some reason most 600w, 700w and 800w units are either old or low quality)

[brittle spindle]

Oh ok 750 then

[mossy venture]

There's a tier list pinned in #cases-psu-and-cooling ,just get the cheapest A or B tier 750w you find

[languid nimbus]

Also be weary of which one you get

[mossy venture]

Make sure you change the cables when you switch out the psu

[languid nimbus]

[mossy venture]

Never re use cables unless it's the same pinout, which is almost never the case with different brands

Even the same brand has different pinouts between different models most of the time

Reusing incompatible cables could cause psu go boom

[languid nimbus]

💣

[mossy venture]

Asus tuf 750 is $80 rn, if you're in the US

Non modular though

[brittle spindle]

Okay thank you I will look into it

[gentle pollen]

What CPU would make for the most powerful workstation/gaming CPU?

13900KS or a Thread ripper?

[mossy venture]

7950x3d

Thread rippers are more than disappointing for gaming

3995wx I think matches a 3600 in gaming iirc

[gentle pollen]

I see.

I wonder how the 7950x3d will perform.

How long did AMD say they would continue their AM5 platform?

[mellow dove]

uhhh i wanna post a screenshot of parts i wanna buy but i cant

[gentle pollen]

Why not use PC Part Picker and send us the list from there?

[mellow dove]

it didn't have the exact parts

[gentle pollen]

Ahh I see.

You could list custom parts on there if you have the link.

[mossy venture]

Dm me it

[mellow dove]

Here's the list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bFFvyK
Case is NR200P max https://www.newegg.com/black-grey-cooler-master-masterbox-nr200p-max-mini-itx/p/N82E16811119427
I'm getting the 4090 and a 34 inch ultrawide 1440p, apparently my 3700x will throttle it, plus i would need a different case since my current one wouldn't fit the card, and a new psu since mine is 750w. So I can just do the full upgrade since I just got a bonus anyway. Thoughts?

[obsidian wigeon]

3700x will be a bottleneck for the gpu for sure

[mellow dove]

Yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

As for PSU revo df 850w should do

[mellow dove]

reddit is saying to 280 rad AIO and 850w psu that come with the case are not enough??

[obsidian wigeon]

The psu that came with the case is enough lol

[mellow dove]

i think they're wrong so i though i'd ask you guys

[mellow dove]

ok good

[obsidian wigeon]

280 is ok, could do better for the 13700K but it's fine

You're going itx anyway

So AIO choice is limited

Good aios are liquid freezer ii, b-stock if possible

They all come with 6 years warranty

[mellow dove]

280 rads too?

the issue is the limited space

[obsidian wigeon]

ya

You can find 280 LF2

[mossy venture]

The 13700k won't throttle with an ag620 at stock

280mm is fine for it

[mellow dove]

yeah i wont overclock in an itx

[obsidian wigeon]

People are just also overspending on psu for the 4090

[earnest olive]

I'd just upgrade to a 5800x3d in your current board instead of going 13700K

[mossy venture]

My 13600k doesn't go over 80c with a 280mm clc, and 55c for single core loads

[earnest olive]

you already have am4

[obsidian wigeon]

Cause the card itself only consumes 500W at worst case scenario

[mossy venture]

Good point

[obsidian wigeon]

Altho yeah, just hop to 5800X3D

And get 280mm aio

[mellow dove]

i looked it up its a $350 difference total which I'm ok with spending on a full upgrade

[obsidian wigeon]

Much cheaper that way

[earnest olive]

my 13700K hitting 100c in 0.01 seconds with 360mm + contact frame:

[mossy venture]

Oced, right?

[earnest olive]

13700K and 5800x3d about the same gaming perf

[obsidian wigeon]

prime95 moment

[earnest olive]

doesn't matter it's thermal throttling to 4.2ghz

[mellow dove]

but dat ddr5

[mossy venture]

Ah

[earnest olive]

at like 0.95v

[mossy venture]

Doesn't change the perf

[earnest olive]

and still pushing 360W

lmao

[mossy venture]

5800x3d on d4 very close to 13700k on d5

[earnest olive]

prime95 moment indeed

[mellow dove]

hmmm

[earnest olive]

I daily a 13700k and I would recommend you don't get it

[mossy venture]

13700k also pointless over 13600k for gaming

Difference is what, 2% in most scenarios sips?

[earnest olive]

my oc actually decreases voltage compared to stock but p95 is p95

[earnest olive]

yeah pretty much

[mellow dove]

i should mention i code and i want to get into UE5 gamedev? does that change the recommendation?

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

not much

8 cores still plenty

[earnest olive]

what level of coding are you doing?

I will admit I know nothing about system requirements for ue5 game dev

more cores can be useful if you're compiling extremely large programs

[mellow dove]

right now it's just python backend which is not really resource intensive. I wanted to get into game dev

[earnest olive]

but if you're a student there won't be a meaningful difference

python is gonna suck regardless

[obsidian wigeon]

imo i would still go for 5800x3d

8 cores is fine

more would likely help speeding things up but for $350 extra it's kinda hard to argue

[earnest olive]

you'll have to do more research on how demanding ue5 game dev is on cpu/ram I guess

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[mellow dove]

but wouldnt i upgrade a lot sooner if i stay on am4 ?? like from a future proofing perspective?

[earnest olive]

all I can tell you is that 5800x3d and 13700K are practically identical in games

[obsidian wigeon]

nah

[mellow dove]

I'm not arguin im just making sure i make the right decision

[obsidian wigeon]

lga 1700 is dead end socket soon anyway

[earnest olive]

why would you upgrade sooner from identical performance?

neither 5800x3d nor 13700K has an upgrade path

[mellow dove]

good poin

[obsidian wigeon]

i would understand if it were something older

but nah this is am4 with viable upgrade path

tops out at 5800x3d tho

[mellow dove]

not really am5 has a longer path no?

[earnest olive]

you could also wait for the 7950x3d and see how that would benefit you

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[mellow dove]

like if i go 7700x instead?

[obsidian wigeon]

i would wait for am5 and hop onto 7800x3d maybe

7800x has 10 cores

[earnest olive]

am5 would have a longer upgrade path but if you are going am5 you might as well wait for zen 4 x3d

[earnest olive]

what

where

[obsidian wigeon]

it actually does

7700x is 8 core one

[mellow dove]

the x3d is in april no?

[earnest olive]

if you're talking about that one geekbench run, it's fake

[obsidian wigeon]

lemme verify then

[earnest olive]

10 cores would be a very odd core count given the 8 core ccx

5+5??? 6+4???

probably gonna be worse than 8+0 anyways

[obsidian wigeon]

Welp I was wrong lol

Wouldn't be a great setup anyway

[earnest olive]

it really makes zero sense for a 10 core ryzen to exist

[obsidian wigeon]

One 8c ccx is better for sure

[mellow dove]

so the next intel won't be the same socket?

[mossy venture]

No

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

[mossy venture]

As in no it won't be

[obsidian wigeon]

it'll swap to another socket

[mellow dove]

smh

[mossy venture]

Let's play the game of how many messages it takes to get the right wording foxy lol

[obsidian wigeon]

might get a refresh for 14th gen but eh, don't consider it

[mossy venture]

Took us four

[earnest olive]

am5 is unlikely to be 4 generations like am4 was

[obsidian wigeon]

haha

[earnest olive]

that's one thing to consider

[obsidian wigeon]

but early mobos might get cut, even if for a moment

amd tried to cut x370 from 5000 series

but asrock proved em otherwise

[mossy venture]

Something that you guys could probably explain to me that I've never known, and its probably a very stupid question

[earnest olive]

they said socket support through 2025, that could be 3 gens

[mellow dove]

am5 boards are unreasonably priced imo

currently

[obsidian wigeon]

they really are

[mellow dove]

thats why i looked into intel

[mossy venture]

What's the point in switching sockets? Is it a requirement for the performance to continue increasing?

[obsidian wigeon]

pretty much yes

[earnest olive]

sockets are incredibly complicated

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[earnest olive]

every one of those 1700+ pins serves a purpose

[obsidian wigeon]

using same design again and again can cause issues

[earnest olive]

you should look at a socket pinout diagram

[obsidian wigeon]

amd usb dropout

[mossy venture]

I've seen one a while back, I sort of understand

[earnest olive]

not all socket changes are really required though, intel definitely does it more often than they need to

[obsidian wigeon]

true lol

[earnest olive]

especially with lga1151v1 vs lga1151v2

[obsidian wigeon]

but amd definitely dragged am4 for so long tho

[mossy venture]

I know each pin serves a specific purpose, even one specific pin being broken could cause the cpu or mobo not to work

[obsidian wigeon]

where problems kinda begin to arise

[mossy venture]

And some being broken could just be not important and not cause too big of issues

Like patos pc not being able to restart atm

[earnest olive]

just having to shoehorn 5 years of cpus into the same external design can cause some difficulty for the designers

also

you're gonna piss off your partners making the motherboards if you make them last too long lol

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

less money

[mossy venture]

Mm

[earnest olive]

that's probably part of why am5 is so expensive

[mossy venture]

Alright, ty for the explanation

[obsidian wigeon]

it's both technical and business reasons

why we bother changing sockets

[mossy venture]

I probably should've known this long ago but it never occurred to me

[earnest olive]

motherboard manufacturers figuring they're going to sell less volume of am5 over its lifespan due to people jumping ryzen 7000 to 9000 in same board

[obsidian wigeon]

but in turns mobo quality seems to go up somewhat

[earnest olive]

just speculation and not known as fact

[obsidian wigeon]

DS3H actually looks decent now

[mossy venture]

Actually one more question that I think I already know the answer to

[earnest olive]

but not really a stretch of the imagination

[obsidian wigeon]

$150 price tag yes

[mossy venture]

Very stupid one

Is it possible to make a cpu that works on two different sockets?

[obsidian wigeon]

but it looks like it is indeed at least $130 of board

[earnest olive]

ehhhhh

there's some historical precedent

so I guess the answer is yes

[mossy venture]

Really? Interesting

Would've thought the answer would be a resounding no

[earnest olive]

some intel mobile core 2 duo CPUs existed in socketed and BGA form

[obsidian wigeon]

there's stuff like laptop cpus adapted to desktop socket on aliexpress

[earnest olive]

let me find one for you

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/39312/intel-core2-duo-processor-t9900-6m-cache-3-06-ghz-1066-mhz-fsb/specifications.html

notice how it lists a PGA socket and a BGA socket

under the same CPU

[obsidian wigeon]

that's interesting

i've honestly never seen such a cpu lol

[mossy venture]

Yeah I've seen some of those

[earnest olive]

PGA = pin grid array = socketed CPU with pins on CPU (like AM4)

BGA = ball grid array = soldered

[obsidian wigeon]

it's usually either socketed or soldered only

[earnest olive]

so this same CPU exists in both forms

[mossy venture]

Really interesting, ty

[obsidian wigeon]

not both as options

[earnest olive]

there were also some pentiums that worked in socket 370 and slot 1, although that's stretching it a bit

because it was literally an adapter

a socket on a slot board

[mossy venture]

Ok one more question

[earnest olive]

also parallel to your question

some older sockets supported CPUs from multiple manufacturers

like intel and amd cpus working in the same board

[mossy venture]

Nvm I answered it myself

[obsidian wigeon]

ah yes

was it because of amd reverse engineering intel cpus back then?

[earnest olive]

eh

it continued past that point

[obsidian wigeon]

huh

[earnest olive]

up to like the 486 era

socket 7

[obsidian wigeon]

imagine one socket working with all major cpus again lol

but nah board partners would hate that

[earnest olive]

theoretically nothing is stopping it from being possible with modern cpus

if they design it to work that way

[obsidian wigeon]

open cpu socket

cool if it were a thing, but the reality isn't so perfect after all

okay it used to be a thing, but that era is long gone

[earnest olive]

you'd need them to be designed with the same substrate/pinout and you'd need motherboard bios to support both

and then you'd have a very large bios with different cpu microcodes

which would need a large bios chip

[obsidian wigeon]

in theory it would work yeah

[earnest olive]

or even 2 bios chips

so it would be more expensive

[obsidian wigeon]

but it would probably end up increasing costs

[earnest olive]

and it would force intel and amd design teams to work together

so wholly unrealistic but theoretically possible

[obsidian wigeon]

i don't mind it being more expensive if it means one board fits all

[mellow dove]

what do u think intel's investment in risc-v means

[obsidian wigeon]

nothing to worry about yet

risc-v needs time to mature

[mellow dove]

are they looking to switch architectures?

[obsidian wigeon]

no

but rather offer more options

exploring possibilities

[mellow dove]

i think apple is scaring them no?

[obsidian wigeon]

naaaah

not really

apple's arm is its own thing

while powerful, x86 is still dominant

it's ubiquitous

[mellow dove]

isnt in a lot more efficient and runs a lot cooler

dominance aside

[earnest olive]

intel is a lot more than just a cpu company

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[earnest olive]

they are probably interested in risc-v for other reasons besides consumer desktop cpus

[mellow dove]

perhaps yeah

[earnest olive]

embedded systems? fpgas? who knows

also

x86 has built up incredible inertia at this point

[obsidian wigeon]

basically our first ever processor architecture to exist

that has prevailed

[earnest olive]

do you want to be the one to tell businesses that are still running legacy fortran systems that they need to rewrite their entire software stack for risc-v?

they're just going to go buy from your competitor that still offers x86

[obsidian wigeon]

hell nah that wouldn't happen

those companies refuse to touch their sw stack

[earnest olive]

intel already tried to replace x86 with itanium before

it was a spectacular failure

[obsidian wigeon]

itanium-64 looked good on paper

it WAS good, but it's far too late

[mellow dove]

windows and intel are entirely propped up by enterprise

so i guess they wouldnt wanna jeopardize that too much

but still innovation is cool

[obsidian wigeon]

i mean even linux has x86

innovation is cool but companies refuses to change

when their existing stuff has worked and never failed them

[mellow dove]

damn it

[obsidian wigeon]

it's basically "nooo we don't wanna spend more money just to switch to this new thing"

[mellow dove]

its not just that

the cheaper options are refused too

they're entirely against change

[obsidian wigeon]

if it's cheaper but different

it's still not gonna be accepted

[mellow dove]

yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

rewriting software stack takes time

and to them time is money, which makes sense

having downtime can be a big deal

[mellow dove]

not just rewriting software

[obsidian wigeon]

of course that's not all there is to it

[mellow dove]

ideas like switching from one saas to another better one that does the exact same thing still gets shut down

and cheaper

just no

i hate it so much

[earnest olive]

I mean for some business we’re definitely talking many millions of dollars to switch over

and governments

you be the one to tell them it’s worth it

I’m sure intel tried

when they were trying to make itanium happen

[mellow dove]

meh i look forward to our ARM future

[obsidian wigeon]

arm definitely has a future, but it's a long way forward

not now, but eventually

but i think x86 will just keep existing more commonplace

more like new companies using arm

[mellow dove]

i'm pretty sure pretty soon x86 will have no room for improvements

the switch will be needed

[obsidian wigeon]

rather than existing ones switching to arm

[mellow dove]

like arent they hitting a manufacturing wall?

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

far from it

[mellow dove]

whats beyong 3nm and 16 cores

[obsidian wigeon]

process nodes can still go smaller and be more efficient

intel actually does have more than 16

and in those cases, amd still has epyc cpus

with something of upwards of 256 cores

[mellow dove]

for consumers??

[obsidian wigeon]

or 128 if im not mistaken

uh no

[mellow dove]

that would be epic lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

for companies

server and hpc application

[mellow dove]

i meant for consumer pcs

where can they possibly go

[obsidian wigeon]

consumer we're already looking at 13900k

sure it's got e cores but it's still something like 20+ cores

24 cores

[mellow dove]

so you dont think an architecture switch is near for consumer pcs?

lets say 10 years

[obsidian wigeon]

if you consider threadripper is consumer, then there's 5995wx with 64

well 10 years? that's definitely possible

apple has already shown arm could be cool too in laptops

but that's with their own customized os

windows has yet to provide good arm experience, unfortunately

[mellow dove]

yeah last time i tried it it was unusable basically

[obsidian wigeon]

currently it's using heavily inefficient emulation

hell even some programs on macOS runs with a perf hit since they don't have arm support

in those cases it has to use emulation

in a decade from now that will change however

[mellow dove]

rust based windows 13 arm architecture

actually with everything theyre doing i dont think they'll do anything from scratch

windows that is

nvm

[obsidian wigeon]

they'll probably be lazy and slap some stupid emulation layer as per usual

but who knows, 10 years is a long time

[sterile path]

hey looking for a good max 1000cad$ computer mainly for text, picture and video editing

[cyan ravine]

Probably something like this with a used card
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/xywLRv

[cerulean snow]

hello

[cyan ravine]

Or maybe even a quadro card

[sterile path]

its for my mother a prebuilt would be better if possible

[cyan ravine]

Ah I don't know about Canadian prebuilts sorry

[cerulean snow]

how do i know if parts are compatible?

[cyan ravine]

Put them into this and then pcpp will tell you
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[cerulean snow]

ok thanks

[cerulean snow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LwMzTn you think this is good for playing games on?

[tender slate]

Build for my dad can someone pls review https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qGvBnt

[cerulean snow]

theres compatibility errors

[tender slate]

Yeah I saw they should be good

I was just wondering if it was good value or not

[cerulean snow]

ok

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dkGpwc this instead

[fossil cedar]

i would highly reccomend this instead (windows is free if you dont activate it or you can get a key from a 3rd party seller for cheap
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ptmXrD

[cyan ravine]

Get rekt Pato my list is butter

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah, @cerulean snow with the mobo from this link
https://computers.woot.com/offers/msi-pro-z690-a-ddr4-motherboard-4?ref=w_cnt_wp_0_2

[cerulean snow]

why it say compatibility error?

[cyan ravine]

You need to update the bios when you put it together

[cerulean snow]

ok

[cyan ravine]

It'll all work, just needs some extra time

[fossil cedar]

nou

[mossy venture]

No not at all

That list Felix gave you is far far better

[cyan ravine]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/BD4xJM

This instead

[fossil cedar]

13400f cheaper

[cyan ravine]

Ur cheaper

I'll cheap u

It's not available???

Pcpp what u doin

[fossil cedar]

bad board

[strong raft]

Weirdos

[cyan ravine]

Thanks pcpp

The board isn't listed as compatible for it whattt

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Jrx73y @tender slate this actually is better

Ignore the compatibility warning the website is borked

[unborn crag]

can someone help me come up with a good budget pc setup for 500dollars. am using this setup for streaming, playing games and coding + graphic design

is this list good??
budget PC setup for $500:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3300X

GPU: NVIDIA GTX 1650 Super

Motherboard: ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4

Storage: Kingston A2000 500GB NVMe SSD

Case: Thermaltake V1

Power Supply: EVGA 450W 80+ Bronze

[cerulean snow]

can you play vr games with this?

[stoic island]

Do you already have any of that?

[unborn crag]

no

rn looking

[stoic island]

If you're buying new, that's probably not going to fit under 500$ nowadays anyways

[unborn crag]

nah building

here check this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y3tMtn

[fossil cedar]

yes

[stoic island]

You can get a new 6600 for 200$ that performs basically like a 1080, no PSUs on b stock rn

[unborn crag]

that list not good???

kevin gave me that

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087CDR14Z?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[unborn crag]

@wheat coral

[stoic island]

I prefer not going used when prices are similar so I'd just grab a new 6600, and whatever was on b stock probably went out of stock

[unborn crag]

so just switch out the graphics

[obsidian wolf]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B560-HD3-rev-1x#kf

[unborn crag]

from a new one??

[obsidian wolf]

is it worth

upgrading inside this motherboard?

[wheat coral]

its like 60$ diff, trying to keep his budget

[fossil cedar]

whats your budget?

[wheat coral]

1080s are 140-160 on ebay right now

[wheat coral]

500

[unborn crag]

500

[fossil cedar]

and do you need wifi?

[obsidian wolf]

my friend doesn't want to make a new build and I'am trying to help him as much as possible

[unborn crag]

ye

[stoic island]

I just feel 500 is not that doable rn lol

[obsidian wolf]

Could it be possible that he could upgrade inside that build to run games decently again?

[wheat coral]

it is, just definitely a harder build

esp with nothing on bstock, considering there usually is something ok for psus

[obsidian wolf]

he currently has intel i5 10400kf with a 2060 and 8gb of ddr4 2666 hz

[unborn crag]

so keep to the list u gave me kevin?? and change the graphic card or???

[stoic island]

Ebay doesn't look good for non-blower 1080 rn

[unborn crag]

ah

[wheat coral]

i liked him a zotac 1080

dual fan blah blah

[wheat coral]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304761590971?

[stoic island]

only 4 reviews on the seller made me skip that listing

but maybe

[wheat coral]

i think its just some dude, not eally a company

[unborn crag]

so what we saying?

[stoic island]

it's the usual buying used risk

[obsidian wolf]

I am suggesting to upgrade to a intel i7 11 11800h, rtx 3060 and 32gb of ddr4 since he creates content and streams on a usual basis.

[potent portal]

Might be ok with a low rep seller if the other things they sold are also tech related and they got perfect marks on them

[unborn crag]

hm so that list good?? should i start adding to my cart or ya changing it up??

[wheat coral]

up to you, if you go the ebay route, make sure you buy with paypal and film yourself opening and testing it, if you decide to increase your budget for a new card, you could do a little better

[stoic island]

anyways @unborn crag it's either take the risk with used or go about 50$ over budget and go new

[unborn crag]

ah

so u said go for a new 6600

right

[obsidian wolf]

or should he get an i5 11th 11600k and spent the extra money to buy an rtx 3070?

[wheat coral]

6600s are

expensive

[stoic island]

200$ last I checked

[wheat coral]

240

list would be closer to 600 with one

[stoic island]

oh it was 5600xt that was 200$

Equivalent to 6600 in perf anyways

sold by wegg

[wheat coral]

@unborn crag possible to increase the budget to 600?

[unborn crag]

so increase to 600 and get the 6600

[wheat coral]

yeah, im adjusting the list right now

[fossil cedar]

this is probably your best bet or buy used cpu and motherboard too like a r5 3600 and b450/b550/x470/x570 or something like an i5 10400f and b560/z490/z590
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M6rZTn

or save a lil more

[wheat coral]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kMb73y

600$ list^

[stoic island]

Btw there's a 80$ z590 board for some reason so lga1200 might still be an option

[wheat coral]

yeah that one asrock board

[fossil cedar]

Wifi tho

[unborn crag]

alr so buy all these?

[wheat coral]

probs your best option as of now

[unborn crag]

aii

[fossil cedar]

Also if you can spare like 8$ more you can double your storage

[unborn crag]

might have to get a wifi adapter right

[stoic island]

Can go with 5600xt and get a proper drive

That Mobo has wifi

[unborn crag]

oh ok

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r2mb9r

[wheat coral]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ywchcb

theres one with storage lol

is p34a better than mp33?

[unborn crag]

so go with this one??

[fossil cedar]

Oh weird didn't come up for me when i was looking at 10100f

[wheat coral]

either mine or patos, basically the same

[unborn crag]

hmmm

[wheat coral]

his has a slightly diff ssd, but all the same basically

[cyan ravine]

Can play anything with it tbh

[fossil cedar]

They're within margin of error

Just a tiny bit cheaper mainly

[stoic island]

A60?

Or a80

[fossil cedar]

60

[stoic island]

A60 is equivalent

[cyan ravine]

A60 and mp33 are same

[unborn crag]

so pato less expensive but same as urs??

[stoic island]

A80 is better

[fossil cedar]

Yep

[wheat coral]

yeah, go with patos

[unborn crag]

this one right

[wheat coral]

. this one

[fossil cedar]

Ye

[wheat coral]

🤝

[unborn crag]

aii tysm

[wheat coral]

ye

good luick with the build in about a week and a half

[unborn crag]

XD

[stoic island]

Use guides

[unborn crag]

oh np

i have built befo

XD

[unborn crag]

good for Streaming, playing games, and coding + graphic design

right

[fossil cedar]

Yeah it'll be decent

[obsidian wolf]

.

[fossil cedar]

11800h is a laptop cpu so

Noone should be buying 11th gen new anyway in 2023

[obsidian wolf]

Proceeds to cry how monkey I am

Anyway

He doesn't want to make a new build

[fossil cedar]

What do the have now, budget and use?

[obsidian wolf]

He's been having this computer for the past 2 years
2060
intel 5 10400
16gb ddr4 2666

[fossil cedar]

Whats the budget and country?

[obsidian wolf]

His current mobo is only compatible with 10th and 11th gen though.
USA not more than a 1000$

[zenith cargo]

Will a 6800xt bottleneck a 5800x @ 1080p 280hz?

[fossil cedar]

Depends on settings etc but will be nice together

[stoic island]

What exact motherboard?

[obsidian wolf]

.

[fossil cedar]

What's their current cooler as well btw?

[stoic island]

So they could do better ram

[obsidian wolf]

I did my research because he couldn't find

which it was and I believe is this one

DeepCool GAMMAXX GT CPU Air Cooler RGB Aura Sync 180w TDP 6mm x 4 Pure Copper Heat Pipes CPU Cooler with 120mm Fan PWM 1500RPM 56.5CFM for Intel LGA 1700/1200/1151/1150/1155 AMD AM5/AM4, Black https://a.co/d/1hTz3sC

[fossil cedar]

Okay cool

[obsidian wolf]

this was a prebuild

[fossil cedar]

Whats the case and psu?

[obsidian wolf]

because 2 years ago finding a good graphics card for the build was close to imposible

[obsidian wolf]

I believe he has one of those mini nzxt cases

or bigger

not sure could get picture for reference though

[stoic island]

Pictures would help

[obsidian wolf]

not sure on the power supply though

[fossil cedar]

They can check pretty easily by taking off the back panel

[stoic island]

If they can't tell, get them to take a picture

[obsidian wolf]

I just called him give me a min

[fossil cedar]

Btw by the sounds of it with a 1k budget they might be basically building a new pc except storage and cooler

Nothing really worth upgrading to on their socket

[obsidian wolf]

he already has enough storage

[stoic island]

10400->11600k is just not really a worthwhile upgrade when 12th and 13th gen exist, so unless they're unable to upgrade for some reason, it's going to be better to upgrade

[obsidian wolf]

I myself will be doing a build this year

which I think is slightly overkill

I don't mind sharing in here while I wait for the pic

[fossil cedar]

Yes I'm saying they'll basically be building a new pc except storage

[obsidian wolf]

to see if I can make more out of the money I will be putting into it

[fossil cedar]

And cooler

[fossil cedar]

If they can go 35 over budget
I'd probably do this, assuming storage and case aren't really wanted to be reused
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YLyGTn

[fossil cedar]

Building one yourself?

[obsidian wolf]

yeah

Tired of dealing with laptops

[fossil cedar]

What's your budget and use?

[obsidian wolf]

specially with msi guarantes

[fossil cedar]

^

[obsidian wolf]

Gaming, content creation, video editing. (Hoping to use it after college for a coding job) 3000$

[fossil cedar]

Because I'd change a good few things

[obsidian wolf]

also looking into playing cyberpunk for once at 4k

[fossil cedar]

You need wifi or Bluetooth?@obsidian wolf

[obsidian wolf]

mmmm, need to buy the cable which is cheaper but keeping the wifi would help me with the mobility since I am moving by the end of this year and bluetooth yeah because I connect an xbox controller to play games like elden ring

[fossil cedar]

Okay

[obsidian wolf]

This is my friend case

[fossil cedar]

@obsidian wolf if you where to spend 3k
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zhKfzf

[fossil cedar]

@obsidian wolf also I'd do this for your friend, possibly could reuse psu depending on their model but until then I'm assuming not good enough

[obsidian wolf]

That intel i7 is actually on deal somewhere else right now

Was thinking about it

I been doing so much research as of lately into computer builds, legit obsessed with the the whole thing

[frail valve]

Is mx4 good enough when repasting a gpu or should I go with something higher end?

[strong raft]

It's plenty.

[stoic island]

Microcenter is basically always better for CPU and Mobo, other than that, in the US, pcpp generally have you covered

[fossil cedar]

Yes

[stoic island]

(don't need to spend too much time looking for deals, pcpp tends to do a lot of work for you)

[obsidian wolf]

there's one pretty close by where i live

[stoic island]

Then buy from mc, iirc they still have the free ram kit with 7000 series deal on, so that's an option

[frail valve]

As your resident micro center shill I approve of this message

[obsidian wolf]

...

There's a deal on the 7900 xt

880 bucks + tax obviously

[fossil cedar]

Bleh

7900xt non x sucks it's basically a 4070 ti for 100 more

[stoic island]

If it was the xtx it's a nice deal

[fossil cedar]

Which is basically a 6950xt for 100 more

[obsidian wolf]

i was actually checking this one

[fossil cedar]

Except in ray tracing

[obsidian wolf]

699

[fossil cedar]

Yeah, if you don't wanna spend 3k btw i can put a more mid range build together for you

[obsidian wolf]

I want the investment to be worth it

If I can not run the 360hz monitor with it's max potential there's legit no point in making the whole build

besides the 4k 144hz one

but 4k is more like cyberpunk and I still enjoy r6

[fossil cedar]

Don't play modern warfare 2 then

Or buy a time machine

[obsidian wolf]

I don't anyway lmao

[obsidian wolf]

[fossil cedar]

Even a 4090 would have a hard time doing that in most games at max settings assuming 1440p

4k ehh

Doing 360hz that is

[obsidian wolf]

I will not play 4k 360

the 360 one

is 1920x1080 p

I am buying 2 monitors

4k is 144hz and the 1080p one is 360 hz

[cyan ravine]

For 1080p 360 I wouldn't go higher than a 3080, 3090 at most

Be smarter, go 1440p 240 and use the better details to your advantage instead of the minor frametime gain

Like even a 6700XT is fine for 1080p 360

[obsidian wolf]

mmm

[cyan ravine]

It doesn't need to be crazy strong

[fossil cedar]

Ngl i would bother with a 1080p monitor even for 360hz, the diminishing returns are real

I'd just get 240hz 1440p

[cyan ravine]

Yeah

[fossil cedar]

That's coming from a cod/csgo/overwatch player

[cyan ravine]

You'll be leaving perf on the table at 1080p for extreme overkill

[fossil cedar]

Not only that but you're spending way to much money on a 1080p monitor

And 24" because 27" 1080p doesn't look vey good

And honestly 27" is a bigger advantage than a hz increase

After 144hz ofc

[cyan ravine]

1440p 360Hz would be XTX worthy

5800x3d/7800x3d

5600C36 hynix

[fossil cedar]

Wouldn't recommend 360hz in general

[fossil cedar]

6400mhz g skill go brr

[obsidian wolf]

okay okay

[cyan ravine]

Would not

6400 on zen 4 will run at terrible soc

6000 max

6200 is a good bin

[stoic island]

Any Hynix will go brrt

[fossil cedar]

Right i was thinking about 13600k/13700k tho

[cyan ravine]

Yes but fclk

[stoic island]

Brrt harder in terts

[cyan ravine]

Brrt brrt

DA TING GO SKRA

[fossil cedar]

Yes in zen 4 6400 no good but for intel brrr

[cyan ravine]

POP POP POP POP POP

[stoic island]

My 5600c40 at 6400 on Intel go brrt

[fossil cedar]

V nice

[obsidian wolf]

so 1440p 240 hz > 1080 360

isn't there a 1080 540 hz coming out this year?

[stoic island]

Visually, 100%, competitively, depends on who you ask

[fossil cedar]

Imo yes

[fossil cedar]

Yes but it'll probably look crap

And cost like 2k

[stoic island]

I don't even see much of a difference from 144 to 240 so I personally will not recommend spending for 360

[cyan ravine]

Every day of the week

[cyan ravine]

And also this

Honestly 4K 144 is nice as well

[stoic island]

Some people swear by it, but the placebo effect is a thing

[fossil cedar]

Yep

[stoic island]

If you actually benefit from 240hz+ depends on you

[fossil cedar]

And 27" over 24" is a pretty big benefit ime

[obsidian wolf]

so the gygabyte m27q is the best one at the 27 inch price mark

[cyan ravine]

M27q x if you can

Then an XTX

[stoic island]

Recently prices on other panels have dropped lower than M27q but yea

[fossil cedar]

Ehh not recently, tbh although it is a great monitor

[stoic island]

M27q is a benchmark of sorts

Gold standard perhaps

[obsidian wolf]

mmm

The other ones I see just get bigger

and bigger

I don't want a 32 inch

monitor lmao

[stoic island]

M27q is 1440p170, if you want 240hz, go with m27q-x

[fossil cedar]

M27q-x would be the 240hz variant

[stoic island]

There's a lot of 27in 1440p144+ panels

[fossil cedar]

Although it seems to not be in stock wtm

[obsidian wolf]

better than the one mentioned before?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09VH8B1XW?tag=track-ect-usa-101816-20&linkCode=osi&th=1

only 1 left in stock

[stoic island]

Some are better, some are cheaper while being similar, some are notably cheaper while being worse
(And some are just worse)

[obsidian wolf]

so the 4070 ti worth it for the build or the xtx should be the minimum at this point?

I saw the benchmark comparations done by linux but overall the price still seems to fall there for me

[stoic island]

For 1440p240, 4070ti is prob going to be a minimum

Linux gaming benchmarks are a bit scarce

[fossil cedar]

Unless you need cuda or ray tracing I'd just get the 6950xt or 7900xtx/4080

[obsidian wolf]

mmm okay I see

[cyan ravine]

They go out of stock often

[fossil cedar]

4070 ti is 100$ more and maybe like 4% better

[obsidian wolf]

so entry point in to actual 1440 p 240 hz is either xtx or 4080, noted

for 1080p 360 hz a 3080 or 6950 xt already does the job

Okay imma keep noting, still waiting for the power supply pic from my friend nonetheless thx I'll drop it later once he send it but now I have class. Thx guys.

[cyan ravine]

I would still aim for 1440p 240hz on a 3080

6950XT would not do 1080p 360

[cerulean snow]

half life alyx?

[cyan ravine]

Ofc

[cerulean snow]

ok

so the motherboard is compatible right

[fossil cedar]

Ye

[frail valve]

Hmm, well it seems the previous owner at least attempted to do something with my card

[frail valve]

It's almost like there was a pad on the die to begin with

[fossil cedar]

Yeah replace psu, only thing they should bring forward is cooler (need to get lga1700 kit from deepcool) and storage

[obsidian wolf]

Thx

[fossil cedar]

Np

[frail valve]

Referring to my previous picture, should I use some q tips to attempt to clean around the die?

[fossil cedar]

Kitchen roll work ime

With some high percentage alcohol

[frail valve]

I got some 91% at my side

[limber oyster]

Good airflow or no?

[languid nimbus]

Who cares when you got a tank

hell there’s not even good airflow in a real rank

[limber oyster]

Oh ik, I used to be a M3 Bradley mechanic

[stoic island]

it doesnt look like any tonk though

[limber oyster]

Probably just a generic hull shape

[stoic island]

they could've made it look like a leo 2a4 with simple shapes :p

[limber oyster]

Or a Challenger

[stoic island]

anyways GN built in it
https://www.youtube.com/live/k0FRSYGwPL0?feature=share

[limber oyster]

He doesn't look happy

[stoic island]

felt like it looked closest to earlier leo2 from the flat turret cheeks

[limber oyster]

Fair

[stoic island]

unhappy steve must mean bad case

maybe

[limber oyster]

Idk, I'm getting dressed for work at 9:24 pm. I shoudk be leaving at 9:20pm

[languid nimbus]

is computer

[limber oyster]

is night shift hotel worker

I should do my cyber security college class work tonight...

[frail valve]

Ok repaste is a success. Temps are slightly lower, but more importantly fans aren't spinning as fast to maintain those temps

[stoic island]

do it while watching steve

it'll be fun trust me

[stoic island]

Neat

[limber oyster]

Imma watch Steve while I drive to work

[limber oyster]

I've been thinking of repasting and repadding my GPU

[frail valve]

It'd be much harder to repad my GPU. The pads on it have turned to goup

[limber oyster]

It's just gonna be a lot of work to do that

[frail valve]

I'd play some wz2 to see if my temps are much lower, but wz2 keeps crashing >:[

[limber oyster]

Wounds like warzone

CoD: the least optimized game series in existence

[frail valve]

Forza Horizon 5 will do, but that never brought my GPU beyond low 70s anyway

[limber oyster]

Should do cyberpunk

[frail valve]

Don't own it

[limber oyster]

Oof

Also, I'll be within 15 miles of microcenter, but unable to visit

[cyan ravine]

Steve from gamingnoctua

[leaden mauve]

chad looking PC

[gentle pollen]

Lucky....

Honestly I am probs gonna need to do a border run soon to the US to renew my visa so I may go to Georgia and pickup some PC parts at the microcenter there for cheap and bring it back.

[limber oyster]

It's 400 miles away

Not exactly lucky

[stable comet]

Hi guy im trying to build my first pc do you guys have any suggestions for me

[torpid fog]

@cyan ravine viper mini did not fit my hand lol

i just gave it to a friend

[torpid fog]

is this all running off the eisbaer pump

[cyan ravine]

There's 2 eisbaer pumps

[torpid fog]

gpu has one too?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[torpid fog]

ahh

[cyan ravine]

It's an eisblock with a dc-lt 2 slapped on the front and a green led

Honestly they're good for what they are

[torpid fog]

id put qdc's on the gpu too for benchies

[cyan ravine]

Benchies

[torpid fog]

i run $7 freezemod aliexpress qdc's on my 2080ti lol

[limber oyster]

two seperate pumps, two seperate systems

[sand cedar]

Help im stuck in bios and I don't know what to do

[potent portal]

Stuck how?

[sand cedar]

I mean like I'll reset it and it'll immediately boot up in bios

I even took out ram to force it to post

I also reset bios and it still didn't work

[potent portal]

Go to your boot tab and see if you can find the windows boot loader

It could be under a hard drive priority menu or something

[sand cedar]

Windows UEFI mode right?

I did that and it still didn't work

[potent portal]

If you set it up in UEFI mode yes. It may have also been done under the CSM. Sometimes if you forget to disable that it messes up the installer.

Is the hard drive/SSD detected on the main info screen?

[sand cedar]

Umm I think so

Here can I just call you and do video?

[potent portal]

That doesn't work on my phone and my computer is doing a stress test

[sand cedar]

Ah ok

It's so frustrating like the hard part has been done like forever ago and now it won't even work