building-and-recc-chat

[paper summit]

holesaw

[autumn wolf]

wtf is the point in the clamps

[analog pulsar]

bc my desk doesnt have a back end

[autumn wolf]

the point in the clamps is so you dont have to cut holes

[analog pulsar]

have you seen my desk?

[cyan ravine]

Kenzie

What about one big screen

[autumn wolf]

skill issue ong

[cyan ravine]

You're gonna find yourself with a lot of teething like this if the desk is integrated

[analog pulsar]

I wanna put monitors on right side but you see there's wood back there

I'm gunna make left side a kitchen area

[cyan ravine]

What about wall mounts?

Those would be a lot cleaner

[analog pulsar]

Like I said I was gunna cut whole in wood and plop it in

[cyan ravine]

Hole in wood ≠ hole in wall

[analog pulsar]

Hmm ?

There's a window right there it won't work

[cyan ravine]

You can get wall mounts that extend out

You just don't put the curve on the extender ones

Cos again, heavy af and torque is powerful

Wall would be ripped out so fast

But the flat ones you could

[analog pulsar]

it will be fine

[cyan ravine]

No u

[analog pulsar]

can we do

like 1 on wall and rest on desk

@cyan ravine also i dont think parents gunna like idea of whole in wall

[cyan ravine]

I feel like this is really excessive

If you did any on the wall they can't be the curved screens at all

[paper summit]

so many gummieeesssss

[analog pulsar]

like i said i want 2 vertial monitors and 2 horizontal

@cyan ravine how would you do it then

[cyan ravine]

I would sell all 3 monitors and get an FV43U

No mount, no drama

[analog pulsar]

bruh no

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[paper summit]

kenxie where is your side panel

its just a whole

[analog pulsar]

no

[paper summit]

no

[analog pulsar]

thats sidepanel

[cyan ravine]

No?

[paper summit]

yes

where

[cyan ravine]

[paper summit]

no

[analog pulsar]

on pc case

[paper summit]

like the back

the

metel one

[analog pulsar]

@paper summit its see through

[paper summit]

oh

uh

ok

[cyan ravine]

I see 2 fingers

[paper summit]

sus

amongus vr

[analog pulsar]

@autumn wolf so are you saying 2 separate for 34inch monitors then 1 for the 2 27inch monitor?

[cyan ravine]

Is that a samsung s21

[analog pulsar]

yes

[autumn wolf]

1 for each monitor or 1 for the 34, 1 for the 34, and 1 vertical to hold both 27

[cyan ravine]

I would agree to this

But 27's only on the walls

If you do walls

[autumn wolf]

ye

[analog pulsar]

no we arnt drilling a hole in the wall

[paper summit]

aww

[cyan ravine]

Also kenzie

When you put 3 holes in

Put the middle one first

Mount the middle monitors

then do the curved sides

And their holes

[analog pulsar]

why

[cyan ravine]

So you get the alignment right

You'll want to get the holes offset to match the curve

Hell even for a regular flat screen but you'll want it more for a curved one

[cyan ravine]

Measure twice cut once

[analog pulsar]

wait i should probs get an arm

i can move monitor close to my 27 then

[autumn wolf]

Monitor setup go kinda hard

will probably flip the top one just to hide the chin

[analog pulsar]

you need 1 more

on the right hehe

[autumn wolf]

i had one more, i had a mini monitor in my pc

took it out so i could use it for my camera instead

3 is more than enough for what i need and do

[cyan ravine]

Meanwhile me I went the wall mount route

I love the extra desk space tbh

[autumn wolf]

cant do wall mounts since where im living is temporary and also those are closets behind my desk

i have more than enough space though since my monitors are elevated

schiit stack, komplete audio 1, and stream deck mini are under my main monitor

and a corner of my mousepad

[analog pulsar]

yea i wanna do that to with mine

[autumn wolf]

Lot of cables but will fix them when I get new pc

[analog pulsar]

this should work

[cyan ravine]

Which gigglebit

[autumn wolf]

top one is the m27q and the bottom one is the m27q-x

[cyan ravine]

Oooo

[autumn wolf]

ong

yknow

[analog pulsar]

look at all this space

[autumn wolf]

i should just buy the m27q-pro and replace my dell monitor thats on the left

[analog pulsar]

cough gigabyte is best brand

[autumn wolf]

collect all the m27q infinity stones

[analog pulsar]

i wanna get 2 G34WQC and 2 M27Q

[cyan ravine]

Perfectly colour-balanced, like all things should be

[analog pulsar]

WROMG

[autumn wolf]

the m27q actually is worse than the m27q-x

the q-x looks a lot better

[analog pulsar]

there must be no balance

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah q-x is I just wanted to meme

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine also do you wanna share your wall mount UwU

[cyan ravine]

#build-pics message

[autumn wolf]

i have a single arm version for my top monitor

[analog pulsar]

yea for me i tried the 1 monitor deal i HATED with my guts so much

[autumn wolf]

other 2 i have are gas spring mounts

[analog pulsar]

i like to look at multiple things

[cyan ravine]

This is a huge monitor with PBP tho

[analog pulsar]

keeps brain going brrrrrrrrrrrr

[cyan ravine]

So I can run multi-monitor

But on one screen

🙂

[analog pulsar]

yea ig but eh

[cyan ravine]

I have so much more room now tho

Before that I had a triple mount and way too much teething

[analog pulsar]

lol

[analog pulsar]

Another question what lain li fans should I buy I searched them up but there's so many which one is good

[potent portal]

We have a chart pinned in #old-cooling

[analog pulsar]

No lian li sad

[potent portal]

Exactly

But they're on there

[analog pulsar]

[potent portal]

Just under "avoid"

[drowsy zodiac]

hey in general for the average human (i’ve watched youtube vids) but this friday i’m ordering the rest of the parts i need i’m curious how hard is it to actually build i plan to watch a video while doing it

we could even throw it on a scale of 1/10 on how hard it is

[analog pulsar]

Yea but has this list been updates did lain li come out with new fans

[potent portal]

It's pretty simple. The hardest parts tend to be attaching the CPU cooler (it can be stressful but you won't break it) and routing wires.

[potent portal]

The new ones aren't better, they just look better

[analog pulsar]

Plus don't they connect to together and require no wire

[drowsy zodiac]

yeah my cooler seems a bit confusing tbh

i already have it

just with the bracket and everything

it looks confusing

i have ocd so routing wires will be intense LOL

is setting your fans up in bios hard??

[analog pulsar]

@drowsy zodiac remember to breathe

[drowsy zodiac]

oh i’ll be good i plan to take a full day to focus on it

[drowsy zodiac]

thanks tho!!

[potent portal]

Defaults are fine usually, you only need to adjust them if you want it cooler/quieter

[drowsy zodiac]

ok perfect

what are the odds of me having to update bios

[potent portal]

That's a gimmick tbh

[potent portal]

What board/cpu?

[drowsy zodiac]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/xhQL78

that’s all i need now

[potent portal]

It's pretty 50/50 right now I think but you've got the flash button so no stress there even if you do have to

[drowsy zodiac]

i’m sure there’s a youtube vid too

[potent portal]

It's pretty simple anyway. Download and rename bios file, place on compatible flash drive (fat32) in the right port, press button, wait for flashes to stop.

[drowsy zodiac]

okok bet

[potent portal]

Most boards you don't even need the cpu or ram installed to do it

[drowsy zodiac]

i just ordered a rx6600

[analog pulsar]

Ig

[dim forge]

guys

is the jump between 3200 cl16 to 3600cl18 noticeable?

[cyan ravine]

Virtually nothing unless it's Ryzen which makes it still basically unnoticeable

Unless you're watching a frame counter you won't know in a blind taste test

[jagged ember]

Basically does nothing

Visually

Numerically it'll do better but you really won't notice

[cyan ravine]

Realistically it's maybe 1%

[potent portal]

Primarily 1% lows (stutters) are affected by memory speed, and it's more pronounced on ryzen

[jagged ember]

But muh 1% stutters

I require the 3600 cl18

[potent portal]

But there's virtually no difference between 3200c16 and 3600c18 because they're the same effective latency

[jagged ember]

they usually cost about the same, no?

[cyan ravine]

It's cheaper to do the time to reduce secondary and tertiary timings on the ram manually for a far greater effect, but takes a ton of time to figure out and do well

But the difference would be far better

Man so tired I doubled up both suffixes there

[potent portal]

Not all sticks are even worth doing the timing adjustments but yeah if you're lucky overclocking would be much better

[brittle tinsel]

does any mobo/cases have good usb capacity?

[mossy venture]

There's usb banks where you can turn 1 port into multiple

[brittle tinsel]

I was using a usb hub for my mouse, keyboard, and other USB devices, however. that is causing issues with the mouse and keyboard software causing things like my DPI clutch to quit working or get stuck in enabled

[mossy venture]

Ah

What cpu do you have?

[brittle tinsel]

3900x

[mossy venture]

And how much do you want to spend?

[brittle tinsel]

looking at the minimal amount.

[mossy venture]

And how many usb ports do you need in addition to the ones your case provides?

[brittle tinsel]

2 additional preferable on the I/O

the case it is currently in is the fractal meshify 2 XL

it only recently started giving me issues. it worked fine for years before the mouse software started acting up

I want to believe its a software issue as it only started after the last update for the program

[mossy venture]

I'm gonna tag someone else in, I have some ideas but I'd rather someone else suggest one to you that is confident in their suggestions

@fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

what mmotherboard you have?

[brittle tinsel]

msi tomahawk

[fossil cedar]

b550?

[brittle tinsel]

I think so, which ever supports the 3900x ive had it since about the time the 5900x came out

[fossil cedar]

you can check with cpu z

[brittle tinsel]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B550-TOMAHAWK

[fossil cedar]

b550 okay

[fossil cedar]

you can just get one of these https://amazon.com/Expansion-Express-Internal-Converter-Desktop/dp/B09Q2ZZWQP/
https://www.amazon.com/FebSmart-Self-Powered-Technology-No-Additional-FS-U4-Pro/dp/B072LS4JH7/

[brittle tinsel]

will that act as a direct line? one of the issues I have had with hubs is my usb headset needs to go straight to the IO to work, same with by snowball USB mic.

[fossil cedar]

yeah

goes striaght into your pcie chipset to the cpu then

[hallow glen]

does b560 support pcie gen 4

yes it does

i used google

[mossy venture]

Ye

I think last gen that didn't was whatever 6th gen used

[fossil cedar]

Hmm? Pcie 4 is very new

11th gen intel and ryzen 5000 i think

[mossy venture]

Is it?

[fossil cedar]

Where the start

Yeah

[frank stirrup]

ryzen 3000

[mossy venture]

Dayum

[hallow glen]

yeah thats what i thought too

[fossil cedar]

Pcie came and went fast

[frank stirrup]

intel was late to the party there

[mossy venture]

Also yeah my 3600 supports pcie 4.0 I believe

[fossil cedar]

Ohh well you need like b550

And b550 came out like ryzen 5000 time

[frank stirrup]

x570 works as well

[fossil cedar]

Ik but same issue

[frank stirrup]

x570 came with zen 2

smh fake amd simp

[fossil cedar]

okay well still speniv

more spensiv

[hallow glen]

omg

[sweet yarrow]

I asked before but anyone have good recommendations again for a nice gaming setup? I can go up to $1,000. I already have monitor/mouse/keyboard. Looking for a really nice graphics card.

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H83y78

Wait

Wrong link

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H83y78

[obsidian wigeon]

embed fail

[mossy venture]

Bruh come on

[obsidian wigeon]

kek

double whammy tonight

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fsFgH2

Pcpartpicker didn't refresh the list when I started a new one

So I had to refresh site

[obsidian wigeon]

ooo

6800xt in 1k

sick

[sweet yarrow]

Thank you @mossy venture

[fossil cedar]

Would do this instead and spend just a lil bit more for a wayyy nicer case
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NqzfjZ

[analog pulsar]

Lol

[mossy venture]

Oh yeah definitely

[sweet yarrow]

I hope some of these will go on sale for Black Friday.

[analog pulsar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DbJMgb hm

[fossil cedar]

I'd do this instead, 360mm front and 2 included fans moved to top
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fgv39r

@analog pulsar ^

[analog pulsar]

okay i see it

@fossil cedar is there any cheaper power supplys

[fossil cedar]

Wouldn't really recommend under what i put in the list for a 6900xt

[analog pulsar]

thats fine

[analog pulsar]

also may i ask why case change is it better for cooling?

[fossil cedar]

Just a lot cheaper

80$ cheaper like

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar do you think we can get a little bigger case

[fossil cedar]

I mean you can but why?

[analog pulsar]

these seems hard to build in

[fossil cedar]

It's a normal sized case

[paper summit]

Yea

Also is this build for u kenzie

[analog pulsar]

it seems small in pics

[paper summit]

Well so do other things

Its a normal case lol

[analog pulsar]

are you sure 360 will fit in case

[paper summit]

Yes

[analog pulsar]

fal has a case that says its 420 but they cant put the front panel on anymore

[paper summit]

Looks like both top and front

Support

[analog pulsar]

yea it says that but

that looks tight

[fossil cedar]

Yes it's on fractals website

[analog pulsar]

fal has a case that says its 420 but they cant put the front panel on anymore

[fossil cedar]

It's like 4000d airflow size

The fractal torrents a bit weird

[analog pulsar]

it also says on website that the 420 will fit

[fossil cedar]

It does fit 420

He had to put it on the outside portion tho

And because the fractal puts it on outside liquid freezer is too thick to fit the front back on

[fossil cedar]

Top only supports 240

[paper summit]

Ok

Mine said that too and i rigged it lol

[analog pulsar]

will the 360 be to thicc for this cased

[fossil cedar]

Shouldn't be because it's on the inside

[analog pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UysehOKBIuA

[fossil cedar]

You can ofc go doff case if you want

That's just what I'd do

If not I'd go phanteks g360a or something

Nice case cuz you can top mount 360

[analog pulsar]

so he has rad inside and fans outside

[fossil cedar]

Indeed

[analog pulsar]

how tall is case

[fossil cedar]

Idk look on fractal sitee

Or whatever

Just google the case

[analog pulsar]

i did

[sweet yarrow]

Hopefully Black Friday and cyber Monday have cool deals

[analog pulsar]

but what you guys think of mobo and ram i sorted from cheapest to highjest skipped most of the asrock boards and i found this

i think stuff going on sale thats why cheap

like is it worth to go ddr4 🤔

[potent portal]

That's because the LFII is that much bigger of a radiator than most others, a different 420 would fit

[analog pulsar]

hm i see

[brittle tinsel]

a buddy of mine wants to upgrade his gpu from a gtx 650 to a 1650 super, but doesnt know the mobo, he should be able to use it in place of the 650 correct?

[potent portal]

Yeah it should be a quick swap and driver update

I'd recommend doing DDU just to avoid potential problems

!ddu

[still roost]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[brittle tinsel]

yeah, he is worried the pcie might be different gen, and since we cant find any info on his mobo, I cant help him really

[potent portal]

PCIe is 100% cross compatible

You could put a 4090 into a 1.0 system if you needed to

[brittle tinsel]

I thought you couldnt use new on old but old on new, no?

ah

ok

is there a way to check the watts of a psu without him having to open it up to see that info?

[analog pulsar]

[brittle tinsel]

he is playing on an old pc and wants to build one, just getting a gpu ahead of time

[potent portal]

You can look up the model of the computer if it was prebuilt

The 1650 doesn't use any more power than the 650 does so I wouldn't worry anyway

It's like 10W difference

You can even find models that don't need a 6 pin power from the PSU

But a molex adapter would be ok in this particular case

[brittle tinsel]

its old, its like i5 2000 something and gtx 650 we cant find any information on the mobo or anything like that.

now he wants to know if a 1650 super for $200 is a decent price or not. I cant answer that as I didnt follow the 16 series much

[potent portal]

Absolutely not

[brittle tinsel]

itss not?

[potent portal]

It cost $149 new

[brittle tinsel]

are there any sellers selling at that price right now?

I though gpu prices went up because of the shortages

[potent portal]

That ended months ago

You can find them under $100 on ebay now

[brittle tinsel]

is pny any good? he found a pny for $180

[potent portal]

They're ok but that price is still bad

https://www.ebay.com/itm/403938848918

https://www.ebay.com/itm/165780135675

[brittle tinsel]

is the gtx 650 16x pcie slot?

[potent portal]

Yes

That just refers to how long the slot is

[brittle tinsel]

I know that, I just dont know when that became the standard or if it was the standard from the start

[potent portal]

It's been the standard size for graphics cards forever, since before PCIe, or even PCI

AGP graphics had a similar size slot

[little osprey]

if anyone knows anything good please tell me

[weary galleon]

3050 specifically?

also no reason to get a 3 fan cooler for a 130w card

*and really no reason to get a 3050

[little osprey]

ik I’m thinking of 6700

[earnest olive]

yeah, we addressed it in general chat

i sent you two good options

just pick one

also, don't assume triple fan always means better cooling

there is a correlation, but it is not always the case

see: the dual fan noctua cards

[little osprey]

GIGABYTE Radeon RX 6600 Eagle 8G Graphics Card, WINDFORCE 3X Cooling System, 8GB 128-bit GDDR6, GV-R66EAGLE-8GD Video Card https://a.co/d/1yw1eo9

is 6600 any good in your opinion?

or that specific card

[earnest olive]

still better than 3050

that's quite pricy for a 6600 though

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6600-rx6600-cld-8g/p/N82E16814930066

[little osprey]

250?

[earnest olive]

this is $216 and includes 2 games

[cyan ravine]

Eagle is pricey for us

It's a very nice card but you never need 3 fans on a 6600 and the vrm is overkill for no good reason

2 fans is just as good

Hell even single fan can feasibly work if you had a good case

It's a 100W card

[earnest olive]

smh

it's 132w

bad techie

demoted

[cyan ravine]

Idk if there even is single fan 6600

No 100W, I am owner

Reeee

100 to 120W

[earnest olive]

maybe you're thinking of the 6600m

[cyan ravine]

No? 6600 eagle

100W in radeon adrenalin stock

100$ I'll bet money

[little osprey]

I’m not trying to play any super high resolution games, how well would it preform on like mcsf on medium would you say

or games around that

and work

[cyan ravine]

Mcsf?

What kind of work?

What resolution is your monitor

[earnest olive]

[cyan ravine]

Nope nope nope

[little osprey]

1440p 144hz

[earnest olive]

1440p144 is... pretty premium lol

[analog pulsar]

cough you must be demoted

[earnest olive]

3080/6800xt or better optimal for 1440p144

[little osprey]

msi monitor

[analog pulsar]

100W

[earnest olive]

but 3070/6750xt will cut it

[cyan ravine]

#graphics-cards message

[little osprey]

I don’t run it on high normally

[cyan ravine]

I literally own it lol

[analog pulsar]

I have mech and its 100W too

[cyan ravine]

See?

I will load up adrenalin in a bit

[earnest olive]

well, every review says 120-140, so i guess every review is wrong then

[earnest olive]

msi also says 132w for the mech

[cyan ravine]

I'm actually serious

[little osprey]

is that the same card I sent?

the photo

[analog pulsar]

why the hell they lying

[cyan ravine]

6700 at the minimum

[earnest olive]

agree

6700 is a bit underspecced for 1440p144

[little osprey]

I don’t run it all the way normally

[earnest olive]

my 3090 barely delivers 1440p144 in many titles even with DLSS

[earnest olive]

that doesn't actually show power limit

just the adjustment range

[analog pulsar]

i thought it did

[little osprey]

it’s a g24 optix, I didn’t get it for that much

Don’t remember exact

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive only have this

afterbuner haha

[little osprey]

my old monitor has the biggest bezels and i needed an upgrade

[analog pulsar]

Im dont get this

[earnest olive]

well

i would be quite worried if your RX 6600 had an NVIDIA VBIOS

lol

[analog pulsar]

no i mean power reading

[earnest olive]

time for me to buy an rx 6600 just to check the power limit

[analog pulsar]

this is afterbuner

[earnest olive]

btw, amd cards only report GPU core power and not total board power

so it's ignoring other parts of the board

so if it's reporting 100w in software it is probably drawing 132w in reality

[little osprey]

do some psus not come with 6 to 8 pin gpu connectors?

may sound stupid right mown

now*

can’t find mine

[earnest olive]

@cyan ravine are you aware of this?

guru3d measured the 6600 at up to 144 watts using a power interposer

[analog pulsar]

let me opne hwinfo

[earnest olive]

hwinfo won't correctly report total board power either

[analog pulsar]

bruh

[earnest olive]

amd just doesn't present this information like nvidia does

hwinfo is limited to what sensors the hardware provides

[analog pulsar]

bruh

but they report all these

[little osprey]

is 750w enough for the card and everything else

[earnest olive]

AMD only allows the evaluation of the so-called TGP (Total Graphics Power) via software. This value is the sum of GPU (VDDC_GFX), memory (MVDD), memory controller (VDDCI) and SoC (VDD_SOC).

AMD’s specifications thus refer purely to the GPU and the memory, EXCLUDING all other losses, including those of the voltage converters!

The TGP is sometimes even more than 100 watts below the actual total power consumption of such a card in large graphics cards! Unfortunately, anyone who then takes this from the software at face value is deceiving themselves. Often without even knowing it. - Igor's Lab

[analog pulsar]

they wrong

[little osprey]

huh

[analog pulsar]

[earnest olive]

yes kenzie, i'm sure you are more knowledgeable about this than igor and guru3d

[analog pulsar]

HAHHAHAHA

yea im smarter then techie too

but FR why amd do this to us

so these arnt really arnt efficient gpus just looks like it

[little osprey]

is a 750w gpu enough to handle it

[earnest olive]

Gaming power draw of just 131 W - TPU

[...] we hook it up to our Powenetics testing equipment to measure in-line GPU power consumption and other aspects of the cards[...] Power use during the Metro Exodus benchmark loop was just a bit more than the official TDP at 137W - Tom's Hardware

not sure if i believe that all of these reviewers using physical power measurement methods are wrong

[earnest olive]

750w is more than enough

[little osprey]

ok ty

[earnest olive]

AMD correctly advertises 132W

it's still more efficient than the 3060 at 170W

[cyan ravine]

100 - 120

[earnest olive]

and now you scroll up and read everything i just wrote

lol

[analog pulsar]

lol

@cyan ravine they hinding info from us

[earnest olive]

you can treat me to a lunch date if i'm ever in australia 🙂

[cyan ravine]

But that's not the point, most cards ship with 100W, the sapphire is the 138 (actually 140W) card

[earnest olive]

the software reporting is not total board power

[cyan ravine]

I literally showed you tbp lol

[analog pulsar]

felix go up and read

[earnest olive]

considering radeon cards literally do not report total board power

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine

[earnest olive]

nope

anything you show in software is not going to be total board power

[cyan ravine]

Omg lol

[earnest olive]

notice how it says 100W is TGP

not TBP

[cyan ravine]

Same thing

Literally same

[earnest olive]

it's not the same thing at all

[cyan ravine]

I refuse when they ship different bios' with these cards

[earnest olive]

it's explained above exactly what TGP means and its difference from TBP

[analog pulsar]

Amd is amd

[earnest olive]

if they were truly 100W cards, you think AMD wouldn't jump on the chance to market them as 100W efficiency behemoths?

there's a reason they are marketed with 132W as the reference spec

AMD has no incentive to make their product appear worse than reality

especially considering they actually market CPUs that draw 88W as "65W TDP", 142W as "105W TDP", etc.

fan power, lighting power, vrm losses, etc. are all not reported by software for AMD cards

while nvidia reports them and includes them in the power limit

this is actually a positive for AMD as far as overclocking is concerned

[cyan ravine]

So you're telling me it takes 32W for the card to run everything else

[earnest olive]

32W isn't necessarily all in the fans/lighting, but besides the rest of the pcb you have to consider efficiency loss from stepping down from 12V to ~1V, etc.

there is a reason why VRMs get hot

because there is a non-negligible amount of wattage being lost as waste heat there

and that's also not to say that the card will ALWAYS be drawing 32W extra on top of TGP

of course that's its own variable, AMD has just defined that the maximum there will be 32W on that card

[cyan ravine]

See that's where it doesn't really make sense to me as the reference you're drawing from is implying a 120W reference anyway

[earnest olive]

and it can be observed to be true through actually using hardware power reporting

as every reviewer has seen

[cyan ravine]

But that still evades the point it's not a 120 not 130W card, it's 100W

Not 120 on this reference

[earnest olive]

if a card is drawing 130W, i call it a 130W card

[cyan ravine]

So in reality these cards would ship as 100W +12

[earnest olive]

otherwise to remain consistent you'd have to call nvidia cards lower than advertised

i think it makes the most sense to say it uses however much power it is actually using rather than what some part of it is using

[cyan ravine]

Well I can agree it's a 112W card but not 120+12

Kenzies card doesn't even get close, it's 100W max

[earnest olive]

again, that is 100W stated by software reporting

software reporting is less reliable than hardware reporting

[cyan ravine]

I know but it's 100+12

[earnest olive]

i can make my 13700K report that it's drawing 15 watts in cinebench

[analog pulsar]

What's hardware reporting

[earnest olive]

attaching a physical device to the card that more accurately analyzes its power usage

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[analog pulsar]

Yea I seen this on Nvidia

[earnest olive]

example of my 3090 drawing 30 extra watts compared to what AMD would call TGP

[cyan ravine]

But see that's exactly it, how is a 3090 losing only 30W to the VRM - the same amount as a 6600?

I just don't believe in such a big efficiency loss

[earnest olive]

could be flawed power reporting, could be overbuilt 3090 strix vrms doing their job, could be more factors than that

[cyan ravine]

It's a 3 fan card decked in rgb

Lol

[earnest olive]

3090 strix certainly has higher quality vrms than reference rx 6600

[cyan ravine]

Yes but it's also over 3x the power

32% efficiency loss? That's on terms with a mechanical ICE

I will admit I'm wrong but only believe in 100+12 or 112W

Or otherwise 120W after OC and thus 132W

[analog pulsar]

🤔

[potent portal]

Fans too

[cyan ravine]

That makes it worse not better

[potent portal]

And rgb

[cyan ravine]

Fans, rgb, vrm

[earnest olive]

what's the maximum rpm of the rx 6600 eagle?

[analog pulsar]

its fine

[cyan ravine]

You'll never hit it

[earnest olive]

i remember my gigabyte rx 5700xt gaming oc had absolutely ridiculous maximum fan speed

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive mine is 2k something one moment

[earnest olive]

it is reasonable to expect that total board power rating accounts for 100% fans

[cyan ravine]

Gaming it's pulling max power and under 2K rpm

[earnest olive]

my 3090 strix fans max out at 3000 rpm

[cyan ravine]

Max power? 4K

Or like 5K

[earnest olive]

my 5700xt gaming oc went up to 7000 rpm

[cyan ravine]

Lemme have a look again the fans are ridiculous

[earnest olive]

at 100% i could hear it very clearly across my entire house and one story up

[analog pulsar]

2800

[potent portal]

FE fans go brrrrrrrt

[earnest olive]

i would not be surprised if those fans consume way more power than my 3090 strix's fans

[vague oracle]

Lol reminds me of my OCing fan curves

[earnest olive]

it was also a triple fan card

[analog pulsar]

i want ikt

[earnest olive]

no you don't

i hated that card lol

[cyan ravine]

Ya so you won't ever use the max fans

[analog pulsar]

yes i do

[potent portal]

Blower?

Oh triple fan

Sheesh

[earnest olive]

that is true, but we are talking about rated power here

anyways, i won't pretend to have an explanation for every single watt

[earnest olive]

but all of the reviews using hardware power reporting are observing around 130 watts

[cyan ravine]

Lower than I remember but still loud

[earnest olive]

with a test setup looking like this

[cyan ravine]

Ya but I'll agree to that on 120W power

Not 100W

[analog pulsar]

do you guys remember when i had my 480

[earnest olive]

this is from the not overclocked part of guru3d's review

they always start with stock settings

afaik tom's hardware does not overclock the card either

and they observed the highest at 137 watts

not sure why these reviews that do overclocking don't also do overclocked power consumption

[potent portal]

Probably because silicon lottery

[earnest olive]

well, yes, but that's an argument to make against overclocking in reviews at all, not an argument against only showing half of the info after overclocking

[potent portal]

True, but if you're overclocking do you really care about power draw at all?

Only the xoc people would I think

[earnest olive]

maybe not on a 6600

my 3090 forces me to care lol

[cyan ravine]

So curveball question here, if this card was on a waterblock, how much power would it draw

[earnest olive]

igor actually addressed that with waterblocked nvidia cards being able to clock higher due to not needing to run fans/lighting

on amd it doesn't matter because none of that is included in the power limit

[cyan ravine]

Yes but software limits will forbid that

Yeah so it doesn't really matter

[earnest olive]

but if it was waterblocked i would say 110-120 watts would be reasonable

[potent portal]

Too bad there's no blocks for a 6600 but there's universal brackets, slap an AIO on it

[cyan ravine]

So I get my cheap ass answer if I waterblock

[earnest olive]

well, considering the original prompt was a case being able to handle a card, i think total board power is still the most relevant figure here

[cyan ravine]

[earnest olive]

yes, just waterblock an rx 6600

if this exists, why not one for an rx 6600?

[cyan ravine]

This was fun, let's do this again, with lunch

Lol

[earnest olive]

pay $150 to water block a $70 card 👍

maybe one day i will go to australia

[potent portal]

The 1060 is still the most popular card on steam survey, and the 6600 has less than 1%. That's why.

[cyan ravine]

It's sad that AMD lacks such an adoption rate

[earnest olive]

now, how much is the overlap between "people still using 1060 in 2022" and "people splurging on full custom loop"

[cyan ravine]

The 6600 is such a seriously good card

[earnest olive]

[cyan ravine]

Murphy's Law

If a possibility exists it's out there

[earnest olive]

well, there is one user here that ran a looped 3080 with an AMD stock cooler for a while

[cyan ravine]

What would be the lowest power consumption custom loop system

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive this is why i hated amd

[cyan ravine]

So lets say, ryzen 4500

[earnest olive]

well nothing is stopping you from custom looping a G6900 with no dgpu

[cyan ravine]

Then 6500 xt

[earnest olive]

disabling 1 core and clocking the other at 800mhz

[cyan ravine]

75W + 45W on a single rad

[potent portal]

Nah 3000g ran lower power

[cyan ravine]

120mm

[earnest olive]

if you mean including a dgpu

[cyan ravine]

3000G ok

[earnest olive]

you could just run a universal block on some crappy display adapter

[cyan ravine]

Actually this thought fun as hell

Smallest ever itx custom loop

[potent portal]

3000g uses like 40W when you overclock it

[earnest olive]

meanwhile me in pc building simulator

hmm yes let's try 11900K + dual 3090 on a single 120mm rad

oh no why is my system idle at 100C

[potent portal]

Finally a real use case for a 120mm rad

[cyan ravine]

We've done it lads

With your brains and my potato thoughts

[earnest olive]

speaking of murphy's law

[cyan ravine]

We've created

A nightmare

[earnest olive]

if you're into pokemon, very fun video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAgnVFX2pl8

[cyan ravine]

I wanna do this for the memes now

Smallest itx custom loop, viral video idea

OVERCLOCKED

[potent portal]

Reminds me of XCOM missing shots with 99% hit chance way more than they should

[earnest olive]

how does this compare to the g6900?

it's got a 46W tdp but i don't think it actually reaches that

[cyan ravine]

Ya but bclk oc will make it higher

[earnest olive]

3000g is on glofo 14nm

not the best node

[cyan ravine]

But it'll work

Hey overclocked to watch youtube

Still overclocked

[earnest olive]

absolutely, just wondering if we can do better in this academic exercise anyways

g6900 is a 2c/2t dual core with a lower power igpu on a significantly better node

[potent portal]

The funny thing is since it's Ryzen iGPU it'll do 4k YouTube when Intel's 11400 struggled with that

[earnest olive]

but i can't find much info on its power consumption

[cyan ravine]

Usermememark puts the 3000g higher

3000g is 35w

[earnest olive]

i can say that my i3-12100 consumed an absolute maximum of 63W, below its 65W TDP, even while overclocked to run 3600 gear 1, and system agent is actually a significant amount of power draw at these wattages

and that's double the cores clocked higher on the same node

• HT

[cyan ravine]

Hmm but yes celeron better

Thinkies

[earnest olive]

it really seems nobody is interested in doing detailed reviews on the G6900

[cyan ravine]

Lets break the mold a bit

[earnest olive]

i wonder why

[cyan ravine]

Highest for single rad

How much power can a 120mm saturate

A thin one

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive ill take your 5700xt now

[earnest olive]

[analog pulsar]

i founmd photo

[earnest olive]

when your gpu has deltas on it

[analog pulsar]

this was my rx 480

[cyan ravine]

Blower brrrr

[cyan ravine]

So I might try this

Gtx 1650 is 75W

The lp

[analog pulsar]

yea it was bblower

[earnest olive]

i found a video of der8auer running a celeron g6900 at 5.3ghz and benching it

but he doesn't show power draw

[cyan ravine]

And then a celeron g6900

[earnest olive]

[cyan ravine]

I can use it with my bench os on my sata

But I need a 120 rad, pipes and two blocks

And fittings

Thinkies

[earnest olive]

i'm sure a 120 rad can handle more than that

[cyan ravine]

75 and 65W?

Just a thin 25mm rad

[potent portal]

FE literally does

[earnest olive]

with a really good fan and pump?

in push/pull?

[analog pulsar]

lol

[cyan ravine]

Single fan

Not a crazy big pump

I can use DC LT very easily

[earnest olive]

i would be shocked if you couldn't get a 120mm rad to dissipate 200w total

[cyan ravine]

It's a very small loop so I wouldn't use a d5

D5 would be insanity

[earnest olive]

i had a cyberpower prebuilt pass through my hands once

120mm aio did a pretty decent job dissipating 100W on the CPU

now with actually good pump and fans?

surely cyberpower AIOs are not the pinnacle of water cooling

[cyan ravine]

I feel like pump would be past the point of diminishing when it's too strong

[potent portal]

Hire a guy to manually blow water through the tubes

[cyan ravine]

Cos it's just so small of a loop, water be flyin through with a small heat capacity, not a long time in the rad

I guess that's counteracting too, it would dissipate quickly

[potent portal]

You know you can control pump speed right

[cyan ravine]

Yup

You don't run d5 even at full strength on a normal loop lol

Like, 50% or less

DC LT is rated for 100% speed and about 30% below a d5 at 50% iirc

[potent portal]

Even through this guy? https://www.aquatuning.us/water-cooling/radiators/radiators-active/560mm/15236/alphacool-nexxxos-monsta-560mm-radiator

[cyan ravine]

"normal"

And fwiw probably you would still through something like that

[potent portal]

That's my idea of a normal rad, a car radiator would be abnormal

[cyan ravine]

To me like, 2 360's is normal

But I have a DC LT so I'd be able to not spend too much here

Hahahaha

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/ekwb-ekthermosphere-nickel-gpu-water-block-ab90985?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn6SVrbyx-wIVE4ZLBR3gIwFAEAQYASABEgKz9_D_BwE

gpu block: check

[potent portal]

No need for active vrm cooling either, maybe slap some cheap stick on heatsinks

[cyan ravine]

Ya

[potent portal]

Same with mem

[cyan ravine]

Tryna find a cheap lga1700 block tho

Maybe I'll do a 1200 and adapt

[potent portal]

I see the 3000g using 25W in full load, 35W tdp

[cyan ravine]

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/225179239828

Looks like a bitspower(?)

[potent portal]

And the G6900 managed to use more power than the 12100 somehow

[cyan ravine]

Oh fr? Huh maybe switch

Maybe I'll look at an am4 cheap block

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/254879457094

Then g1/4 fittings and some tubing, 120 rad

BAM

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/ekwb-ekcoolstream-se-classic-120mm-slim-copper-radiator-ac26344?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6sbz972x-wIV3ZpmAh0Upw23EAQYAyABEgLTfPD_BwE

[potent portal]

Slimmer rad https://www.aquatuning.us/water-cooling/radiators/radiators-active/120mm/26766/alphacool-nexxxos-st25-full-copper-120mm-radiator

[cyan ravine]

Shipping will cost so much from them no way

It's like, 100 usd for just the basic small things to ship here

[potent portal]

Oh is this a thing you're actually building? Or just trying to make it cheap?

[cyan ravine]

I'm weighing it up ngl

[potent portal]

Aquatuning is US based, they already imported the AC parts

[cyan ravine]

Ya but I shop with aquatuning

For me even a small strip of rgb is 10$ + 150 shipping AUD

I've looked

[potent portal]

Ah aussie right

[cyan ravine]

Ya

3000G is 60-ish usd

So about 500-ish aud

To try this

Lmfao hmm

[potent portal]

ITX board will be expensive too

And PSU depending on case

[cyan ravine]

Nah wouldn't do the whole thing

Just the proof of concept

Fittings and tubing is like another 50

[potent portal]

Lemme just vpn to brisbane and I'll look at ebay for ya

No listings for a 3000g...

Oh you could import a 3200g from south korea for $300, what a great deal

[cyan ravine]

There's a uk listing for 68

Then 25 shipping

So about 60usd

Fittings be more like 60aud

The tubing I know is like $20 max

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/374211233673

I did see this tho

So prolly more like 330 usd-ish?

I feel like this can still be cheaper

What if I like, use whatever gpu block and rubber band it to the 1650 LP

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine whats you case again

[potent portal]

Use zip ties for fittings

$1 for a bag instead of $25 for fittings

[cyan ravine]

O11 evo

[analog pulsar]

oh

[cyan ravine]

Ehhh

That sounds jank

So does this

[potent portal]

You wanted cheap not practical

[cyan ravine]

CORE COLD HEAD

Powerpoint font

This looks like a full cover for the 1650 lp

I'd like it to be sealed properly at least idk

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/175320725050

[potent portal]

It'll seal fine, you just might damage the tubes taking them off

[cyan ravine]

WHAT??

Why does this say this in the block description

Man it runs netflix ig

Sounds amazing for 28$

[potent portal]

I guess cyberpower put zip ties in actual customer rigs https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/30u8e5/discussion_is_it_normal_to_use_zipties_instead_of/

Then they guy in comments saying just use 2 per end

[cyan ravine]

I've shrunk it to about

280 aud

Kinda wanna meme it but not while I'm building two other PC's

Need alphacool quick disconnects too

[potent portal]

Post it on reddit for the internet points

[cyan ravine]

Which reddit

[potent portal]

r/buildapcsales

After r/buildapc ofc

F it all the pc subs

Until you get accused of stealing your own photos because people have seen them so many times

[cyan ravine]

OOOO

What if I just disable cores on the 5900X

Then PL to 45W

HT off

💀

Would that be the same? Wouldn't be would it

[potent portal]

Not even close

[cyan ravine]

[potent portal]

Infinity fabric on dual CCD ryzen is a power vampire

[cyan ravine]

What if I did it with i9

[potent portal]

Make it only e-cores and it might work

[cyan ravine]

Or just two p cores hyperthreading off

That's actually easy to do

G6900

In a unify X

[potent portal]

It'll still use a LOT more power than the G6900

[cyan ravine]

Even if I PL it?

Emulate the shipped tdp

[potent portal]

You'd have to drop the clocks too

[cyan ravine]

Ofc

Then bclk it for memes

Then I'll post a pic later with the jank

OK IMA TRY THIS

But not now

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine since you here this is what im getting https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fgv39r

[cyan ravine]

I'll try it in the new year

[potent portal]

Maybe things will be cheaper then

[cyan ravine]

What about your old parts kenzie?

Why not use the o11 and get a 5 pack of p12's

Save a buck

That case is expensive but very versatile, not worth throwing away

[analog pulsar]

tbh case to big

[cyan ravine]

Alr

What psu do you have in there rn

[analog pulsar]

like theres a space i wanna put it in but its like an inch to big plus focus is like $100 less then the 011

[analog pulsar]

the same power supply but its missing some cables

[potent portal]

Can reuse storage too, and since you're on a 12100 you probably don't even need to reinstall Windows

[cyan ravine]

Ya storage isn't listed but I'd reuse

[analog pulsar]

i was gunna just sell storage with pc to try to get back what i paided for the pc

[cyan ravine]

So you have enermax 850?

[analog pulsar]

rn yea

I just hope the sale stays

[cyan ravine]

You have a galahad ye?

[analog pulsar]

Mobo is ddr5 and it's $200

[analog pulsar]

Huh

[cyan ravine]

Oh no ek 360

You have a ek 360 yes?

[analog pulsar]

Yea

[cyan ravine]

Use that, it's equally good

[analog pulsar]

Hm

[cyan ravine]

Promise

[potent portal]

Buying new stuff and selling the used is always going to be more expensive than reusing what you can and parting out the rest

[analog pulsar]

but cant you sell fully built system for more

[potent portal]

Yes but no

It depends on how good of a used car salesman you are

[analog pulsar]

theres to many mistakes i just want a clean slate

plus 13600k and 6900xt be good enough for what I do

[cyan ravine]

You can buy a se214xt and stick that on the 12100 with a cheap board for less than buying a new board and 360 aio

You'll still be making a clean slate just more cost effective

Hell even the stock cooler

[analog pulsar]

I don't want 12100 anymore

[cyan ravine]

I know

I'm saying to make a separate system

[potent portal]

Right, you can rip out the liquid cooler and put a cheapo one in to reuse the cooler is what he's saying

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[analog pulsar]

im gaming rn haha

[cyan ravine]

And a cheap board with it, so you'll spend less to accomplish the exact same thing

[analog pulsar]

i still have it

[cyan ravine]

No Kenzie, I'm not saying to use the 12100

I'm saying sell it with the stock cooler

Use the ek 360

[analog pulsar]

I see now

[cyan ravine]

Kk

[analog pulsar]

I was confused at first

[cyan ravine]

For ram pick these
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-flbd532g5600hc32dc01

SK hynix

[analog pulsar]

If I put Intel stock cooler on the pc wouldn't that make the value go down

[cyan ravine]

Or these
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LTcG3C/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-ff3d532g5600hc32dc01

[analog pulsar]

That's slow speed

[potent portal]

Even slow ddr5 beats ddr4

[cyan ravine]

They're hynix, you can make them very fast

They'll do the same speed as the 6400 kit

[analog pulsar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9RmmP6/gskill-trident-z5-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239g16ga2-tz5rk pato gave me these

$219

[potent portal]

Yes but not as much as it would cost to buy another cooler new

[cyan ravine]

Expensive and trident heatsinks suck

[analog pulsar]

No

[cyan ravine]

Mine are 160 and 184

Trident heatsinks legit suck

[analog pulsar]

I use them

[cyan ravine]

Me too

Like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K8fdcb

[analog pulsar]

Why get 5600mhz CL32 when I can get 6400mhz CL32 for $219

[cyan ravine]

Cos they're the same thing underneath

Same chips

Both can do 6400

You can literally change one number in the bios and it'll do it all the same

[analog pulsar]

[cyan ravine]

Well, 2

Just cos I'd wanna be safe with yours

Both kits are H16M kits

Both sk hynix, both the same ram

[analog pulsar]

[cyan ravine]

Just a different profile in the memory

[analog pulsar]

weird

[cyan ravine]

Welcome to DDR5

We don't have a million different chips with it yet like DDR4

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine i dont wanna keep mobo plus this mobo is ddr4

[cyan ravine]

Is it? I wouldn't switch the board

[analog pulsar]

theres 2 version of the elite

[cyan ravine]

Hell just use your ddr4 then it's still a huge upgrade

Ddr5 is hardly an investment

[analog pulsar]

well im getting new mobo

And that ultra mobo is same price as the ddr4 mobo rn

cuz sale

[cyan ravine]

Again, not really an investment

You'll be paying 400 usd for maybe 5%

Not worth

You'd get more out of a 4080

Much much more

[analog pulsar]

and like i said im not keeping mobo its bropken

[cyan ravine]

Broken?

How did it break again

Idr

[analog pulsar]

I mean it's still usable but I wanna get rid of it and get new one

[cyan ravine]

How did it break again?

I seriously don't remember

[analog pulsar]

The pcie lock is broken and the top ssd slot has a screw stuck in it

[cyan ravine]

Hmm ok

Well I still don't think you should spend 400 for 5%

Maybe 150 for an msi pro

[analog pulsar]

I'll get the $400 back

[cyan ravine]

Then use the other 250 for XTX

[analog pulsar]

I'm selling 2 pcs then combining money into 1

[cyan ravine]

Ya but that doesn't make it worth ddr5

[analog pulsar]

I mean $200 seems nice for the mobo

[cyan ravine]

And there's cheaper for the same

Pro z690-A

[analog pulsar]

No

[cyan ravine]

The most stonk board

Ah pro is no longer sub 200 sadge

[analog pulsar]

But I do have 1 questions what would it save if I did get ddr4 mobo

Bc rn ddr5 board is as much as my ddr4 mobo

[cyan ravine]

At least 150

But vs ddr5?

At least 300

You can literally use that on your gpu budget for 7900XTX

And have close to 4090 performance

Instead of close to 4070Ti performance

Big jump

Biiiiiggg jump

[analog pulsar]

only this mobo is $201 other is asrock

[cyan ravine]

In the range of supposedly 50% more fps

Vs 5% more fps with ddr5

[cyan ravine]

Pro z690-a is 199.99

It used to be 180

[analog pulsar]

I don't want that

[cyan ravine]

I'm not suggesting it anymore lol

You can use the gaming x but get the ddr4

Reuse your current ram and then spend the gpu budget on XTX

Have a much faster computer

You'll then have basically the best tier cpu and the best tier gpu without spending on the wrong things

[analog pulsar]

So aio and ram we keeping

[cyan ravine]

Ye