building-and-recc-chat

[little osprey]

We've had a sub all week this week

So I literally learned nothing because my class is a bunch of idiots screwing around

[paper summit]

Real

Thats how i feel

Except my teacher doesn't rlly teach

She just does the equation like once than tells us to do them 💀

Wait give me an equation

[little osprey]

I can't remember TBH what I had on the test

[paper summit]

💀

[little osprey]

Stuff like this

It confuses me

[sturdy kiln]

Would I be able to use a Ryzen 5 or 7 on a Gygabyte Vision OC RTX 3060 Ti 8GB? Or would it be best suitable to use the Ryzen 9 5900X. This strictly for gaming?

[paper summit]

Ud be fine with a 5600

[sturdy kiln]

Awesome

[paper summit]

Dont need 12 cores for gaming

Plus the 5600 is only 140

I think at the moment

[cyan ravine]

Need wifi?

[mossy venture]

20x/260

wait nvm

read it wrong

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[mossy venture]

5900x is overkill for even a 3090

[little osprey]

I'm probably gonna study for it and do a retake

[sturdy kiln]

That’s what I was thinking 🤔

[cyan ravine]

Need wifi?

[paper summit]

Yea just go 5600 or 5800

[cyan ravine]

Already on am4?

[sturdy kiln]

Sweet thanks.

Yea already on Am4

[cyan ravine]

Ah ok

[paper summit]

Lmaoo felix

[cyan ravine]

Yea 5600 will be fine

[sturdy kiln]

Awesome

[paper summit]

Yea wanna pay for 3 gig

[little osprey]

Can I set up my PC with just my CPU and then put the GPU in later?

Also is it just as simple as plugging in the GPU and plugging the power cables into it and installing the drivers?

[stoic island]

if the CPU has an iGPU

[leaden mauve]

What cpu are you using

[little osprey]

12100F, no iGPU

So I need to buy the regular 12100?

[paper summit]

Yea if u want igpu

[little osprey]

I just wanna be able to boot the PC without the GPU

[paper summit]

Than yes

Buy 12100

Non f

[little osprey]

Hmmmm

Well it's only $22 more

But, I'm probably not gonna have my PSU when I start assembling my PC

And my brother is gonna get the GPU before I get my PSU

So IG there's no point in getting the normal one

I'll just have to wait

[upper ore]

Well the first 3 parts of new build just came in! I'm so excited to get the rest!

[paper summit]

Sweet

[little osprey]

Ok i found my issue with my ram

When i run them in single channel they are fine

However dual channel leads to a blue screen

Anybody have a fix

[mossy venture]

is it only when you run dual channel with xmp enabled?

[little osprey]

Doesnt matter if xmp is enabled or disabled

Slots 2 and 4 work and its weord

Because my old modules worked fine in 1 and 3

[mossy venture]

weird, sounds like it's either mobo or ram though

[little osprey]

Ik even the kingston tech support dude didn’t know wtf was going on

But at least it works

[mossy venture]

I'd try RMAing the ram first

could also technichally be cpu, but that's super unlikely

[little osprey]

CPU is fine

Because it did the same thing with my old one too

But now i get this

[mossy venture]

ah

likely ram then

I'd rma it

are the sticks from the same kit?

[upper ore]

Does it matter what Riser cable i get?

[little osprey]

ok i reinstalled discord and its fine

maybe a stupid coincidence

[cyan ravine]

Yes and no

At least the minimum pcie spec to get enough bandwidth for your card

3.0 should be sufficient for basically any card rn

[mossy venture]

aside from 4090 and maybe 4080

[cyan ravine]

Nah even then

3090 saturated 2.0 only barely

[mossy venture]

4090 def maxes out pcie 3.0 bandwidth

not like you'd notice much of a performance difference

[cyan ravine]

You really wouldn't

Either way spec should be an inexpensive difference by now unless you specifically want 5.0

[upper ore]

I have a 3080

[cyan ravine]

Ye most risers should be fine

[upper ore]

I was thinking about this one https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16812987068?Description=riser cable&cm_re=riser_cable-_-12-987-068-_-Product&quicklink=true

Same brand as my case

[cyan ravine]

If you are working in sff, I would suggest linkup as it can basically bend 180 degrees

But otherwise yeah phanteks is fine

I can't see the price on that tho rn

So if it's like, over $80 then nah

[upper ore]

On sale for $52.47

[cyan ravine]

That's good

[upper ore]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-model-rs200-rog-strix-riser-cable-bk/p/N82E16814997024?Description=riser cable&cm_re=riser_cable-_-14-997-024-_-Product&quicklink=true But if i do this its $48 but idk if it only works for Asus cards or not

[cyan ravine]

Make sure it's long enough too

Nah risers aren't specific to brands

The asus one looks like it's expensive

[upper ore]

Its cheaper then Phantex's lol

[cyan ravine]

Oh my b

[cyan ravine]

It said $124

For me

[cyan ravine]

.

[upper ore]

These are USD

[cyan ravine]

Ya I can't check properly

The ROG one is good too

Can look up cablemod risers too

See how much those are

[half iron]

what is the best virus protector for free?

[mossy venture]

windows defender

[stoic island]

Malwarebytes is chill

[weary galleon]

Windows defender, manually run Malwarebytes every once n a while or if you did something sketchy

[broken lake]

Finally got to building my friends rig like 2 months after he bought all the parts

Posted a pic of it in #build-pics

[unique cloud]

is a wenstern digital green drive good

[mossy venture]

no

mp33 or silicon a60 cheaper and better

than any wd green

[potent portal]

WD green SSDs are ok for laptops that only have a sata drive slot and need maximum power savings. Performance is pretty bad.

[mossy venture]

there's wd green nvmes

[potent portal]

(relatively speaking, they're still much better than HDDs)

Yeah and I don't recommend using those

The sata ones are the only ones that serve any purpose

MP33 is far better value and performance if you can do nvme

[cyan ravine]

We are talking fractional savings anyway

[potent portal]

Yeah it's like 3W instead of 5W, which is still less than half of the average HDD

[broken lake]

What should I expect a 3080 to cost me now a days

[potent portal]

$700-750 brand new

Much cheaper used, like $400 or so

[broken lake]

Are there any like really obvious things I should be looking for when buying a used one?

Also will prices go down further once the 4080 comes out?

[potent portal]

Mostly suspicious sellers are what you want to avoid. Look for some with a decent amount of reviews and recent activity.
Mining cards are fine. If they had half a brain when doing it they didn't do any damage or major wear.

[broken lake]

Where is a good place to look?

eBay?

[potent portal]

Yeah. There's also Reddit r/hardwareswap, and facebook marketplace (but only deal in person there)

[broken lake]

Hardware swap might be a fun place to look

See if I might have anything anyone wants to trade for

[potent portal]

You'll need a reddit account with a fair bit of karma, check the sub rules for more conditions

[golden forge]

Could a connection between the fan and motherboard (or lack of) be the reason for the fan (internal fan that came with case) to make noise or is it usually something on the fan itself that is making it have a sound. I have cleared everything from the front and back fan (both seem to be making loud noises) and I don’t see any reason as to why this is happening. The only thing I did was install a new PSU, but I confirmed all of the wiring was installed correctly and fully. Its just weird how it wasn't happening 45 min ago and now it is.

[potent portal]

Most people there just want to swap for cash.
Here's an ebay option. Account looks ok to me despite only 46 reviews. https://www.ebay.com/itm/385176364390

[junior crescent]

Could someone make a pc that is capable of gaming at ultra 1440p, streaming and game development? For 1600-1700 AUD?

[cyan ravine]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/7DmwpH

About as tight as you could get

Also this will be 1440p, 60fps ultra

High refresh (depending on the game) could be more difficult

You'd really want a 3080 for that imo but the budget needs more oomph

Hmm I might have a second crack at it

Nah $130 too short for a 3080

Can't fit it, this is about the best

Ye that list is about as good as you can get for the money @junior crescent

[junior crescent]

okok, thanks

[potent portal]

No decently priced 6800 in upside down land?

[junior crescent]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/R4XYcf/asus-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-tuf-gaming-oc-video-card-tuf-rx6800-o16g-gaming, This is the cheapest 6800 i could find

[potent portal]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/J8n8TW/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-challenger-pro-oc-video-card-rx6800-clp-16go

That'll save a fair bit of money

[junior crescent]

Thanks

[potent portal]

No problem

[limber oyster]

I got a question for yall

I have a 10GB 3080 RTX, but I notice when I'm playing games on one monitor but also watching anime, movies, etc on a second it tends to big down my gpu quite a bit. Could I run a second GPU that doesn't need external power like a GTX 1050 in my PC to run my second monitor when I'm watching my shows?

Shoot, even like a GTX 710 or something

[potent portal]

Yes that's a valid configuration

A 710 would be a bad option though since the latest drivers don't support it but a 1030 would be perfect

[weary galleon]

What cpu do you have?

[potent portal]

Good call, if they have iGPU that solves it

[limber oyster]

I have a Ryzen 7 3700

I just need one that runs 1080p 60fps for shows

Nothing strong or fancy

[weary galleon]

Seems odd that you're seeing a performance dip with those specs though

[limber oyster]

Well my primary is a 1440p 144hz screen

[potent portal]

If it's decoding a 4k youtube video or something that's non-trivial

[limber oyster]

And I tend to play at as high graphics as I can

[potent portal]

Ofc you can just disable hardware acceleration and pass the load off to the cpu instead

[limber oyster]

I also ask because I'm not sure if that would count as SLI or not...

[potent portal]

No it's not sli

sli is dead

[limber oyster]

I THINK I might have a spare MSI 1050ti...

[weary galleon]

3700x should have extra cores so this might be worth a shot

[potent portal]

Nvlink was supported on the 3090 and that's the last one to do so officially

[limber oyster]

If there any special setup or settings I need to do? Or is it just plug and play for second GPU?

[weary galleon]

Im not sure tbh. I used a second gpu briefly for mining but never tried to run a display off of it

[potent portal]

It's pretty much plug and play if it's the same brand (nvidia vs amd)

[weary galleon]

Like fal said you could also just try turning off hardware acceleration on your browser/video player and see if that's satisfactory

[potent portal]

Some programs you might need to specify which gpu to use for acceleration

[limber oyster]

Ahh

[cyan ravine]

Yea there are but I'm not sure about the whole AMD encoding for streaming stuff so I steered

[limber oyster]

Yeee, not a fan of AMD either

[cyan ravine]

I'd love to learn it but the 6600 is used so much so I don't get any chance

[limber oyster]

Well for GPUs

[cyan ravine]

And the 6800H has encoding but AMD doesn't let you use it

For AMD link anyway

I mean RDNA 2 is good. I've been a big fan of both buys of it

[ornate condor]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374351 is this possible M die ?

[fossil cedar]

Most likely a Samsung die imo

I mean it could be hynix but 0 guarantee

[ornate condor]

So not a deal

[fossil cedar]

Nah plus you can get 6200 kit from patriot for 205 for ages

[frank stirrup]

What did samsung do to you to deserve this patooo

[fossil cedar]

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/55-odyssey-ark-4k-uhd-165hz-1ms-quantum-mini-led-curved-gaming-screen-ls55bg970nnxgo/

[fossil cedar]

This the kit btw
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x7xRsY/patriot-viper-black-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6200-cl40-memory-pvv532g620c40k

[ornate condor]

No RGB

[frank stirrup]

Bad monitor?

[ornate condor]

I looking forward for 2x32kit actually

[fossil cedar]

Yeah it's supposed to be like 3x 16:9 monitors when you flip vertically but apparently it looks like 720p when you do that kek

[fossil cedar]

Imo not worth but you do you
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hhXJ7P/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6200-cl38-memory-ff3d532g6200hc38adc01

[frank stirrup]

Lmfao

I too am mad at samsung

https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsungs-one-ui-6-0-seamless-updates-galaxy-phones/

Bad samsung

[ornate condor]

it's sad their free ssd deal gone

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

[limber oyster]

Ordered second GPU for my pc

[little osprey]

Taking case suggestions for under $80, anyone got any?

[upper ore]

So I just got doing a full dusting and cleaning of my pc. I removed my cpu and put it back in. Why is it saying it's a new cpu and put me back in the bios to set it up?

This is my first time removing it so I haven't had this happen.

Do I just say discard and exit if I really didn't change anything since it's already setup?

[unique cloud]

what overclocking is good for my EVGA 1650 ko ultra gaming graphics card?

[upper ore]

I decided to say time to learn what happens if I do this option. I chose discard changes and exit since it should already be setup correctly. So far everything looks alright. 😅

[empty pollen]

every card has its own curve for oc, you need to test that for yourself

[upper ore]

You could also check online for one

[drowsy zodiac]

in general how good is the i3 12100f?

is there a major difference between the i5 12400f or no?

[potent portal]

The 12100 can handle a 3090 at 1440p just fine in most games

The 12400 has 2 more cores which can be nice if you're multitasking, watching youtube while gaming with discord voice chat and all that

[drowsy zodiac]

i’d have my game open and discord

[weary galleon]

That being said it is still a 4 core

[potent portal]

Just discord itself isn't enough to push it

[potent portal]

At least it's hyperthreaded

[drowsy zodiac]

would i be better off to just save for the 12400f

i was only considering because of my budget

[weary galleon]

What gpu?

[drowsy zodiac]

either rtx 2060 or 6600

[weary galleon]

I'd just do 12100 at that budget

[drowsy zodiac]

there isn’t a crazy price difference in the i5 and i3 just wanted to know really what would be better for me and if there is a major difference or not any at all

i play games like cod and forza

[potent portal]

You're fine with 12100, any differences will be small. Maybe 5%.

[drowsy zodiac]

and for those games i’ll be good?

[potent portal]

Even at 1080p a lot of games will be more gpu bound with a 6600

[drowsy zodiac]

yeah i just wanna play 1080 tbh

[potent portal]

Benchmarks play at really low settings to exaggerate differences, no one uses those settings in real life

1080p high/max will be totally gpu bound and the cpu will make almost no difference

[drowsy zodiac]

alright and how is the 6600?

[potent portal]

It's great for 1080p. A little below the 3060. Should handle high settings in almost every game.

[drowsy zodiac]

okay yeah i think im going to do that the i3 with the 6600

and im looking at getting a 512gb nvme do you think it’s worth it to save the extra cash and get like a higher 3.5 drive sorry if that made no sense lmao

like a tb drive

[potent portal]

512gb is plenty for the OS and several games. Unless you play a lot of CoD, then it can hold 3 games lol.

[drowsy zodiac]

no just plan to get the new one

on my xbox i play cold war

so just look in the future for a bigger drive

[potent portal]

MP33 1TB is $58 right now

[drowsy zodiac]

i’m in canada

[potent portal]

79 cad

[drowsy zodiac]

it’s 79

yeah

i honestly just need 4 last parts lmao

then i can piece it together

[potent portal]

You can always get the 512gb now and add another drive later

[drowsy zodiac]

that’s what i’m thinking tbh

[potent portal]

That's the nice thing about storage

[drowsy zodiac]

Gigabyte B660M AORUS Pro AX

how’s that mobo?

[potent portal]

It's a great board, one of the cheaper good options with wifi

With a board like that you have the option to upgrade the cpu later to something like a 13600k or higher, but upgrade the gpu first

[drowsy zodiac]

okay and it’s not to expensive

that’s why i was looking at it

[potent portal]

This one is full ATX instead of micro if you have case space for it https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/YZPQzy/gigabyte-b660-gaming-x-ax-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660-gaming-x-ax-ddr4

[drowsy zodiac]

i have the nova mesh se

[potent portal]

Looks like a mid tower so it has room for full atx

[drowsy zodiac]

will i have any issues with the bios like for the cpu to work?

[potent portal]

Nope, any boards sold right now should support every 12th gen cpu

[drowsy zodiac]

okok

ok perfect thanks for the help!

[potent portal]

13th gen is still brand new so that would be an issue

[drowsy zodiac]

i’m going to add that mobo to my list

[strong raft]

Lower 13th gen isn't quite out yet. I figure their prices are gonna be a bit junk for a while, well most of em anyways. 2 main ones I'm waiting to see compared is 12600K & 13400, because they're same core config pretty much.

[potent portal]

It's pretty cool that the 13600k is on par with the 12900k

At lower power draw iirc

The 13400 is basically a 12600k in more than core config, it's not even the new gen cores

[kindred pawn]

Is this some kinda scam?

And should I get an ssd or more ram? I don't have an ssd and I have 16 gb of ram

[potent portal]

It doesn't seem to be a scam but it's a 256gb drive

[paper summit]

Yea ssds are cheap now

Its crazy

[potent portal]

A SSD will benefit you a lot, and 16gb of memory is still standard for gamers

[kindred pawn]

Is that not a lot? I'm also wondering how much it'll speed up my pc

[potent portal]

256 is enough for the OS and programs but not much more. That drive in particular isn't very good.

[kindred pawn]

I was mainly looking for just my OS

Are there any other ssds I can find that are around that price range that's 256 or more?

[potent portal]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/RrGnTW/silicon-power-p34a60-256-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp256gbp34a60m28

[fleet bolt]

can i get a good gaming pc for 1000 dollars

[potent portal]

Yes. US? Prebuild or built yourself?

And do you need any special features like wifi?

[ruby arrow]

@potent portal do you think the nzxt kraken z73 is better than my lian li?

i’m thinking of getting that one and upgrading to a i7

[potent portal]

No they charge more for the looks, it's not any better

[stoic island]

If you're comparing Galahad 360mm to Z73, Galahad is better

[analog pulsar]

@potent portal fal it happened 😦

the message i didnt wannt see

[jagged ember]

Hell no

[analog pulsar]

HAHAHAHA

[brittle tinsel]

my buddys desktop screen goes wonky like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847616787779682345/1033515281739419778/AD2BD6FB-0687-4B8F-8298-A0E396C1CAFC.jpg
after installing a gpu driver update. any idea the problem? its a relatively outdated system, with a low end i5, ddr3 ram and a gtx 650

normally I fix it by him giving me access with teamviewer and I just go and uninstall the drivers and have him restart the computer but without the driver up to date some games tell him he cant play

[spice swallow]

Can someone help me out here? Im swapping over from amd ryzen 9 3900x with a 3080 to intel i9 13900k with 4090. I am not sure if i should keep my ddr4 64gb corsair vengeance or end up buying ddr5 sticks. Just not sure if it worth the extra $400 or so on ram.

[mossy venture]

depends on the speed of the sticks

[stoic island]

ddu and try installing an older driver

[brittle tinsel]

thank you!

[spice swallow]

I like gaming on my pc and using the adobe programs G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL36 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit F5-6000J3636F16GX2-TZ5NR - Black - $220 G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL36 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit F5-6000J3636F16GX2-FX5 - Black - $190 What I'm currently running, - Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 PC4-25600 CL16 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit CMW32GX4M2E3200C16 - Black

[mossy venture]

your current ram is fine

[cyan ravine]

^^^ that

[wide sparrow]

wam

[mossy venture]

wom

[cyan ravine]

wem

[analog pulsar]

!DDU

[still roost]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[analog pulsar]

I need this

[ruby arrow]

is the lian li going to preform better than any other coolers for i7?

i’m at micro center and i wanna get a different cooler than the one i already have

[stoic island]

Freezer ii or ls720 are the only ones that might be better afaik

[ruby arrow]

also any recommendations on fans for good airflow

i have a white build*

[mossy venture]

white p12s or fc120s

[ruby arrow]

what brand is that

[stoic island]

arctic p12

[ruby arrow]

nvm

would the corsair LL120 perform decent?

or lian SL120

[stoic island]

Corsair is just kinda bad, especially considering price, lian li is fine, but expensive

[flint sapphire]

def would suggest lian li over corsair

[leaden mauve]

evga CLC and arctic liquid freezer ftw

[ruby arrow]

i just want some decent white fans with rgb

i forgot to mention the rgb part

[mossy venture]

p12 argb

[ruby arrow]

it sucks they only have black

[mossy venture]

they have white

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/447G3C/arctic-p12-pwm-pst-a-rgb-0db-488-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-acfan00258a

[ruby arrow]

i mean in store

i’m at micro center with now

@stoic island @potent portal i actually decided to upgrade to a i9 do you still thing the lian li will handle that?

[stoic island]

galahad? should be fine

[ruby arrow]

do you think there’s a better option i should go with with the cooling?

[stoic island]

not worth upgrading

[ruby arrow]

ok thanks

[mossy venture]

Just to make sure, 12900, right?

Bc any other i9 is a downgrade

[ruby arrow]

11900

my motherboard doesn’t support 12

[stoic island]

uh

you'd have a better time upgrading to 13600

[mossy venture]

11900 is worse than a 12600k

[mossy venture]

^

[strong raft]

Point is 11900 is a pure waste & basically just a higher clocked 11700.

[ruby arrow]

welp

looks like i drove an hour for a higher clocked 11700

[mossy venture]

Yeah, 11900 often loses to the 10900k

Only benefit is a better imc

[kindred pawn]

And this will speed up my pc more than getting more ram?

[mossy venture]

By far

Ssd vs hdd as boot drive is the difference between night and day

Your pc won't take 5 minutes to become usable after you first turn on your pc, everything will load tons faster

[potent portal]

Yep, because the 13600k matches the 12900k in gaming easily. The cost savings would let you get a new Z690 motherboard too.

[leaden mauve]

what did i do

🤓

[mossy venture]

You're bi now

[leaden mauve]

🤨

[mossy venture]

You don't have a choice

[leaden mauve]

thats kinda sus

[mossy venture]

Being gay isn't your choice, it's mine

The whole vc gang

I feel special

[paper summit]

Wth went down in build chat

[cyan ravine]

Kekw

That moment when 10% gpu cos you don't know how it works

[paper summit]

Ev-ga 3000 90

[obsidian wigeon]

or didn't enable high refresh in their monitor

[potent portal]

vsync ftw

[dusky oak]

Any thoughts on this? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FNf3Bj

[zenith cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/money-rich-make-it-rain-cash-bill-gif-16661133

bro u no way u bought a 6800xt for 1400

[limber oyster]

A 3090 costs less

[tawny violet]

I've been surfing around on the used market here, trying to piece a game PC together for myself on the cheap

but it's hard to pick the right platform

300 bucks for CPU+motherboard limits me to older platforms (like 3rd gen Ryzen or 8000/9000 series from Intel)

[stoic island]

For gaming, you can still do 12100/12400+b660 and do great

Assuming usd

[tawny violet]

That ain't happening because new hardware here is ridiculously expensive

[stoic island]

5600 prices has also been good on AMD's side, although no cheap am5 offerings yet

[tawny violet]

I just converted the HUF price to USD for reference

[stoic island]

Oh right

[tawny violet]

New hardware is unobtainum expensive here

a 12400 processor alone is 75% of my budget for CPU+mobo

[stoic island]

10400+b560 might still be a solid bet

[tawny violet]

10th gen isn't widespread on the used market yet

[stoic island]

What about 12100 and b660

[tawny violet]

I can find 8th or 9th gen I7s for solid prices

it's pain

anyhow
what I found on the used marketplaces

Ryzen 3800X+stock cooler and ASUS TUF B550-PLUS
Asus ROG STRIX Z370-H GAMING and i7-8700K (likely without cooler, so extra expense)

The Ryzen pair is roughly 5% cheaper than the Intel pairing after counting the cooler

[zenith cargo]

just buy used tbh

not that bad

[tawny violet]

Oh this is all used stuff

[stoic island]

It might still be worthwhile to import like 12100 and b660 from say Germany, sure Hungarian vat is 27% but it might still end up nicer

[zenith cargo]

[tawny violet]

GPU, case and memory would be the same for both, and I'll get storage new (I just don't trust used storage)

[zenith cargo]

Like I found a R7 5800x for $200 usd

[tawny violet]

Customs will seize it on the border and then force me to pay extra to have it released

anyhow

I'm leaning towards the 3800X because I can later get a higher-tier CPU once AM4 new stocks are out and the used market gets 5000 series on

but the 32gb DDR4-3200 RAM and the 2080 Ti would be the same for both

[stoic island]

Are 2080ti prices good?

For used market in most other places 2080 super prices are more reasonable

[tawny violet]

the Ti I found was less expensive, mostly because 2080 Supers are largely unavailable

[stoic island]

Wacky

[tawny violet]

seems like people don't want to sell the Supers

weird, but I won't complain if I get a cheap 2080 Ti out of it

[stoic island]

Tbh I don't like either option of 3800x or 8700k

And I just feel there's gotta be a better way to import into Hungary

[tawny violet]

I mean I can get a 5800X down the line

Maybe even a 5950X if prices permit

[stoic island]

I have a 3800x, it's just so mediocre, even 8700k can probably do better in games, and down the line you'd want to go with a newer platform

From an older bench, 8700k is better by 5% on average

I bought a 3800x, and now, by the time I'm going to upgrade, I'm probably grabbing like a 13400

Which invalidates any extra value from the am4 motherboard, so keep that in mind

[tawny violet]

I want it to just work to be fair

and I can have my sister inherit the 3800X afterwards if I do switch platforms

and the AM4 setup is slightly cheaper

[tawny violet]

it's average 5% better, but almost 10% more expensive for me

[stoic island]

Any chance you can find a cheaper board or does the 8700k and that Mobo come in a bundle

Strix tax is really annoying

[tawny violet]

8700k and mobo are from the same dude, were used together

if I wanted to get a 9700K it'd be worse

and I'm honestly kind of willing to pay a Strix tax because (from what I've seen in the last decade or so)
Asus gear tends to just work in the long run

chuckles in 10+ year old laptop I'm talking on now

okay so

I checked
the 8700K does NOT have a stock cooler with it

so it's worth upping to the 9700K anyway

[stoic island]

It's just when you really look at these things, it's all the same "off the shelf" parts, like Asus might use the same ir3555 mosfet MSI does on a separate board, the Asus board just ends up being more expensive, with the same features and components, and only more expensive because of the name

It's just annoying because they get you to pay more for the same thing

[tawny violet]

that Strix board is roughly the same price as the same tier MSI/Gigabyte board on the used market

at least here

now that being said
I'll have to do math to convert the prices, brb

[stoic island]

Don't remember if MSI had tomahawk line for z370, but that kind of 'mid-end' lineup is what you'd want to look for

Strix is weird, it's just 'premium', it's not the best, usually Asus makes some Crosshair board that's better, and Asus usually has tuf and/or prime for mid/low end

[limber oyster]

Wait....ALPHACOOL MAKES A WATERCOOLED PCIE M.2 DRIVE BAY!?

[stoic island]

Anyways, if it's the only option, whatever

[stoic island]

Team made one too iirc

[limber oyster]

It can only hold one m.2 tho...

Meh

[tawny violet]

360 bucks for the 9700K + mobo + Dark Rock Pro 4 cooler
280 for the Ryzen 3800X (stock cooler included) + ASUS TUF B550-PLUS

[limber oyster]

Id need it to hold 4

[tawny violet]

That 80 bucks is me buying a solid PSU and cheap case for the Ryzen, jeez

[stoic island]

Yea uh drp4 is on a different level from the stock cooler, any other cooler options?

Any chance for any thermalright offerings?

More likely some arctic stuff?

[tawny violet]

Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO for 12 bucks

to be fair

[stoic island]

Is there really no other cooler options?

[tawny violet]

It's all Zalman, Xilence and such

[limber oyster]

I paid $240 for my CPU cooler and $350 for my GPU cooler lmao

[stoic island]

What zalman stuff are avaliable?

Like cnps20x is top tier, iirc there was like a cnps18 or something?

[tawny violet]

CNPS11X

but I'd need to get the mounting bracket for 1151v2

cuz the seller only has an AMD bracket

I can get a DRP4 for 50 bucks

[stoic island]

Can you check if they have cnps10x? Should be cheaper

But I thought zalman came with lga115x mountings stock

[tawny violet]

that's the only one

the CNPS11X

and no Intel mountings in sight

like at all

[stoic island]

Guess sellers just threw it away or smth, wacky

[tawny violet]

yeah it kinda sucks

[stoic island]

Guess the terrible market leaves you with one logical choice left now

[limber oyster]

Isn't 1151 old...like 7 years or something?

[stoic island]

Cnps11x is even older

[limber oyster]

eBay?

[limber oyster]

Ahhh

[stoic island]

Hungary.

[limber oyster]

Oof

[tawny violet]

We're also broke boys

we can't afford new hardware

[limber oyster]

Fair

[tawny violet]

at least I can't

[limber oyster]

I just bought a Asus Cerberus 1050ti...

[stoic island]

I still don't accept that you can't reasonably import for reasonable prices

There's gotta be some way

[tawny violet]

and let's be honest a 3800X/9700K and a used 2080 Ti will serve any needs I might have currently

[tawny violet]

you get slammed with extra tariffs for overseas electronics imports

[limber oyster]

I mean...the only reason my coolers were as expensive was due to $100 shipping costs...EACH

[stoic island]

Even the EU?

[tawny violet]

Yea

[stoic island]

Vat should only be 27%

[tawny violet]

Unfortunately, the government rams a broomstick up your ass with hidden import fees and tariffs

[limber oyster]

Importing from Germany to Texas...two liquid coolers. $100 shipping for each liquid cooler

So I get blacks issue completely

Tarrifs, shipping costs, etc

[stoic island]

Guess the best option is to just travel to like Germany, and then take it back with you

Sure it's probably not feasible now but

Someone has probably made it into a business

[tawny violet]

don't really have the time to do that, yeah

[limber oyster]

More time than me 😅😅

[tawny violet]

anyhow

I don't really need a super modern PC

a 9700K and 2080 Ti would do everything I could potentially ever want to do

[limber oyster]

I consider that super modern...

That's still pretty high end

Better CPU than what I'm running anyways

[stoic island]

Oh well

[limber oyster]

Still a good combo tho

How much RAM if you don't mind me asking?

[tawny violet]

32g probably

3200 Mhz seems okay for both

tho I ain't no memory expert admittedly

but from what I heard 3200 is good

[limber oyster]

Yeah I'd go 3200 or 3600

3200 cl18 is the cheaper end, 3600 cl16 is better performance

[tawny violet]

Gotcha, thanks for the tip!

but yes

9700K is slightly better than the 3800X, right?

[limber oyster]

Like marginally

Though for the 3800X I'd recommend the 3600 cl16

[tawny violet]

I see

Well I'd have bought the same memory for both, so that's good to know

thing is that I can slap a 5950X into the same mobo down the line

so the opportunity is there with the AMD setup, while the 9700K maxes out the socket

[limber oyster]

Actually, from what I can tell the 3800x scores better

That's just from one site I looked at

Again, that's just a singular site...it could vary

Personally, I've been a fan of AMD since my first pc

I've never been a fan of how Intel changes boards so often

[tawny violet]

And the AMD setup is cheaper upfront because I can get the stock cooler with the 3800X

like a little cheaper

[limber oyster]

Yep

Another reason AMD wins in my book. A DECENT stock cooler

[tawny violet]

yea

TUF GAMING B550-PLUS should work well

right?

[limber oyster]

How much more is the x570 wifi? I ran that for a good bit with the only complaint of not enough PCIe x16 slots

But I personally need 3 PCIe x16 so...

[tawny violet]

Micron E-die yay or nay?

[limber oyster]

I think a majority of aftermarket uses micron

[tawny violet]

doesn't seem available right now

[limber oyster]

If you're talking RAM, I've ran Corsair for YEARS with no issues

[limber oyster]

Ahh, then yeah the b550 will do fine

90% of my build is either ROG or Tuf btw 😅

[tawny violet]

Lucky bastard

[limber oyster]

Wanna see it?

Keep in mind, it's worth more than my car is

[tawny violet]

Yes plz

in the meantime, here's what I managed to scour up as available @stoic island

[limber oyster]

It's over in #build-pics

Keep in mind that MSI GPU is gonna be replaced tomorrow

[tawny violet]

Used parts:
3800X + stock cooler
ASUS TUF GAMING B550-PLUS
ROG Strix 2080 Ti
2X16 GB Crucial Ballistix 3200Mhz CL16
Corsair RM 850
Corsair 4000D Airflow

Unused/brand new parts:
Crucial P2 1TB NVME (CT1000P2SSD8)
Patriot P210 2TB SATA

Anything else I'd need?

[limber oyster]

Looks good to me

[tawny violet]

would I need anything else to complete the setup?

not talking about peripherals ofc

[limber oyster]

Hmm what fans does the 4000D come with?

Especially since it's used

[tawny violet]

Factory fans according to the ad

oh wait my bad that's a different one

No fans

[limber oyster]

Gotchya

[tawny violet]

But the seller said they can also provide fans from other manufacturers

[limber oyster]

Cause that's important

Can you look up Asiahorse matrix 360 black?

[tawny violet]

honestly I'd probably steer away from used fans from other manufacturers, who knows what they were doing

[limber oyster]

See if those are available for ya

[tawny violet]

nope

not even new

[limber oyster]

Darn

I love those fans

I have two of em I'm not using at all

Probably won't

One advice I do have for fans, make sure they all match...don't want to mix up different rpm/airflow fans

[tawny violet]

ik

I'll probably end up ordering them from Corsair cuz I'll go with the 4000D Airflow anyway

[limber oyster]

I'm not a SUPER fan of Corsair fans, but it makes sense

[tawny violet]

They work, right?

Reliability is big for me

if I buy the damn things brand new
I'd want them to just work and not need to worry

[limber oyster]

They work, I'm just not a fan of the price or the proprietary connectors they have

[cyan ravine]

If you don't care about rgb, consider P12's

Otherwise, FC120's or P12 ARGB

You can go corsair in a corsair case, they give you the interface for it, but they're very pricey

[limber oyster]

Like 20 USD a fan

Atleast

[cyan ravine]

You can usually deck out in good argb even with an argb hub on top for less than a set of corsairs

[limber oyster]

Indeed

[cyan ravine]

And the performance of P12's and FC120's are way better

[limber oyster]

And the Corsair Hub is $80 alone

[tawny violet]

I'll admit it's kind of a splurge thing

[cyan ravine]

Imo? I'd splurge that elsewhere

[limber oyster]

If you want Corsair with Corsair case, go for it, it's just not recommended

[tawny violet]

but fans are... Kind of not possible to get for reasonable prices here

[cyan ravine]

Corsair fans aren't worth the money they print

[tawny violet]

P12s are super rare to be found

[limber oyster]

I'm not a fan of MOST things corsair

[cyan ravine]

Hungary yeah?

[tawny violet]

Yea

[limber oyster]

Power supplies, fans, monitors, etc

[cyan ravine]

Check caseking, aquatuning?

[limber oyster]

The cases are ok, especially the 4000 series

[cyan ravine]

Those two sites I can vouch for in the EU

[limber oyster]

I avoid anything of Corsair that are these.

Just bad experience or bad price

[cyan ravine]

Eh their psu's are really good

Most of the time

[limber oyster]

Corsair RAM is the only RAM I use though

I'll say that

[cyan ravine]

Corsair ram is not very good normally lol

Vengeance ddr4 is a hard avoid

[limber oyster]

Mine have been working for 4 or so years

[cyan ravine]

DDR3 or DDR5 they've been decent

[limber oyster]

I have a ddr3 kit that's been going strong

[tawny violet]

I guess it's product over brand?

[limber oyster]

Mhmm

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Model over brand

[limber oyster]

Though Asus PSU....🤑

I've NEVER had an issue with an Asus PSU

[cyan ravine]

Asus TUF psu's are super cheap and often the best choice in a lot of regions

[limber oyster]

I've had an issue once with a motherboard where the ARGB pin on the board broke off....they sent me a whole new board for free

[cyan ravine]

Tier b at a budget

[limber oyster]

I run an Asus ROG Thor PSU

850w 80+ plat

[cyan ravine]

The thor is...expensive

Lol

[limber oyster]

But worth it in my opinion

[cyan ravine]

I think their 1000W is like the same price as my 1650W

Lol

Same tier too

[limber oyster]

I'm also running a Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi x570...

I have an Asus Tuf case

[tawny violet]

woah, Bluechip has Arctic P12 ARGBs
3-pack too

[cyan ravine]

Now I avoid asus boards like the plague

[limber oyster]

My mouse, keyboard, and head set are asus

[cyan ravine]

I hate armoury crate and everything about it

[limber oyster]

It's not that bad

[cyan ravine]

I also hate random cmos resets despite total stability

[limber oyster]

I don't have those?

[tawny violet]

25 bucks for 3 Arctic P12 ARGBs sound pretty good

[limber oyster]

What board you use?

[cyan ravine]

I've had two prime's

I changed to a gigabyte and the problems went away

[limber oyster]

Ahhh

[still roost]

Salvecai#8965 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[cyan ravine]

But at the same time I still wouldn't go back

[limber oyster]

Primes are the garbage tier

[cyan ravine]

Armoury crate sucks

No the board was otherwise good

[tawny violet]

what fan controller is worth using?

[cyan ravine]

Like I give it credit, vrms were super cold, good OC capability

But the other issues were breaking

[tawny violet]

like those PCBs with 6 outputs that you connect to Molex and a fan header

to control speed

[cyan ravine]

Look up coolermaster argb and fan hub controller

It has like, a clear case with like 7 ports

[limber oyster]

With ROG and TUF boards I've never had CMOS instability and random reset

[cyan ravine]

Very cheap and used as an oem for other brands too

[tawny violet]

My idea is going AIO down the line
Probably a Lian Li Galahad 360

[cyan ravine]

I mean that's great, I also had windows boot issues

No windows start menu

[tawny violet]

once 5000 series Ryzen becomes cheap to get on the used market

[cyan ravine]

Explorer dead

Even on jedec it was annoying, then the armoury crate rgb just breaking

I gave up man

When I switched to the gigabyte tho it was a bit finicky but I got it very stable and those problems just evaporated

And I mean, I don't advocate onto others too much about this anyway, I realise my problems might be very specific to my experience but yeah, were armoury crate more stable like it is on their laptops I'd maybe still consider them

[tawny violet]

@cyan ravine Masterfan hub, right?

[cyan ravine]

Ye that sounds like it

One of the ports is red and the others black

Very good hub, I ended up trying it as they bundle it with EK aio's

Run that with a set of P12 argb's

[tawny violet]

This one

[cyan ravine]

That's it

You can also I believe even just skip the hub cos the fans can be daisy chained

Example

[tawny violet]

feels like it's just safer to use a hub

Doesn't daisy chain have a risk of overloading the header on the mobo if you overdo it?

[cyan ravine]

Yeah but I wouldn't worry about that unless it's more than 6 on one fan header

Or maybe 3 rgb plugs to one mobo rgb header

I can't remember how many lights are in the p12s

But if you can count them, you want it to be less than 80

[tawny violet]

The hub isn't even expensive and it's an elegant+ safe solution

[cyan ravine]

Up to you man

But don't worry about the pst variant if you go with the hub

PST = daisy chain solution

Regulars = just regular cables

CO's are for non-stop use i.e continuous operation, 24/7

[tawny violet]

now would I make negative case pressure with 3 120s on an AIO as intake in the front
and a 120 in the back + two 140s on the top as exhaust

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[tawny violet]

or I can balance the flow to be neutral/slightly positive case pressure

[cyan ravine]

Also yes

Intake front with a filter keeps most of the dust out

If not the aio will, aio before the fans in a pull config

[limber oyster]

You could also do 3 front and 3 top

[tawny violet]

4000D only has 2 fan slots on top

[limber oyster]

Does it? I thought it had three

[tawny violet]

and I'd want to get a 360 AIO once I upgrade to a 5000 series CPU

[limber oyster]

Huh so it does

I had a 4000d that had 3 top...

[cyan ravine]

If you can access arctic b stock I would strongly suggest it, stupid cheap aio's

[tawny violet]

wack

[limber oyster]

Must've been a mislabeled 5000d

[cyan ravine]

I think arctic germany has b stock ebay

[tawny violet]

I heard a lot of good about the Lian Li Galahad 360

[limber oyster]

I run alphacool

[cyan ravine]

Galahad is good if you get the ST120 fans

So not the unifans

[limber oyster]

Keeps my 3700X at sub 50°C

[tawny violet]

Galahad with Arctic P12 ARGBs?

[cyan ravine]

Would be good yes

[fossil cedar]

Why bother

[cyan ravine]

Or LF2 argb

And save yourself the extra fans

[limber oyster]

Why not get an aio and run the fans with the aio?

[cyan ravine]

LF2 is particularly good for ryzen 5000 btw

[tawny violet]

I did see a guy selling a Galahad 360 for relatively cheap because the fans on it were borked

[fossil cedar]

Only reason to get Galahad is because it is white but then now just get deepcool ls720 white

[limber oyster]

Anyways, gotta drive home. Good luck black

[tawny violet]

if I buy P12 ARGBs anyway, that'd be a good scoop then

[fossil cedar]

Ah how much used?

[tawny violet]

like 30% off or something?

[fossil cedar]

In money terms?

[tawny violet]

yea

roughly 30% off of brand new store prices

[fossil cedar]

No as in can you give a number lol?

[tawny violet]

95 dollars or so

[cyan ravine]

Bleh

[fossil cedar]

Oof that's bad

[cyan ravine]

Look up arctic liquid freezer II

[fossil cedar]

It should be like 150ish new for the 360mm version

[tawny violet]

it'd be almost 200 brand new here mind you

[cyan ravine]

It comes with p12's

That's still bleh

I bet EK basic 360 is cheaper there

[tawny violet]

it's like half off from brand new

[cyan ravine]

Still bleh

Lol

[tawny violet]

Tbf prices here are literally dumb

everything is stupid expensive to begin with

[fossil cedar]

Ah yeah actually it did go up in price but I'd get arctic liquid freezer ii, deepcool ls720/ls520? For 240mm, ek rgb or basic or even possibly evga clc instead

[fossil cedar]

By the time you buy new fans ehh

[cyan ravine]

LS720 would be good, LFII has the fans already on it and better cos offset mount for ryzen, evga CLC better price if you find it

Deepcool castle 360

[tawny violet]

Liquid Freezer 2 360 for 80?

Unused, with warranty

[cyan ravine]

Much better

[tawny violet]

Dude bought it and didn't use it because it wasn't compatible with his build

[cyan ravine]

Eh not compatible?

Should work with anything but don't tell him

LOL

[tawny violet]

I guess mounting bracket/maybe it didn't fit his mobo?

not that I care why he didn't use it

[fossil cedar]

Unless case didn't fit 360mm or something

[cyan ravine]

Either way that's wayyyy better buy

[tawny violet]

it has 7 years of warranty on it

[fossil cedar]

Yeah even if you need to you can probably get bracket from arctic

[tawny violet]

yea, LF2 it is

[cyan ravine]

Vrm fan is nice too

[fossil cedar]

I'm boutta clickbait yall real quick

I will never be buying an aio

[cyan ravine]

AIO's GONE WRONG GONE SEXUAL

points red arrow at nothing

circles random red thing

[fossil cedar]

Because i got a free dh15s and won't be buying over a i7 level

Lmao

[cyan ravine]

Kekw

Well who can blame that

[fossil cedar]

Exactly

[cyan ravine]

I can't go below 280 rad now

Only i9 squad now

Goodbye Ryzens

[fossil cedar]

I bought d15s on eBay for like €45ish like 2 days before ak620 gn review and i was like crap

Then it came with tower and fins completely bent

Seller refunded but said i could keep as paper weight and i just bent them back after a bit of work

[cyan ravine]

Niceee

[fossil cedar]

It didn't come with am4 bracket so hence not in pc and i was like eh I'll buy bracket from noctua when i get new platform

[upper ore]

Guys did i miss something when putting my gpu back in after clean yesterday? Because only 1 of my 3 fans are spinning

[fossil cedar]

Not unless you disassembled the gpu too

Try setting custom fan profile with msi afterburner if you have an Nvidia card or amd drivers if you're on amd

[cyan ravine]

Fan disconnect

[upper ore]

I have an Asus 1070 strix

[fossil cedar]

Ok..

[reef moss]

Whats the best gaming monitor I can get for like 120-200 dollars

[mossy venture]

G24f

[reef moss]

Wha

Oh from gigabyte

[upper ore]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824012052?Description=g24f&cm_re=g24f-_-24-012-052-_-Product&quicklink=true I think bacca might be talking about this one

[cyan ravine]

g24f or g24f 2

the 2 is the upgraded panel version, same price normally

[reef moss]

Is it better?

[cyan ravine]

yes

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824012052

[reef moss]

Awesome, any big cons I shpuld worry about?

Should*

[cyan ravine]

I'm not fully brushed up on monitors, but at this price, even if it did have one, it's good enough value

[reef moss]

Sweet

[cyan ravine]

gigabyte panels have been particularly decent as of late for a lot of them

[reef moss]

Im just now finishing my streaming setup and I need a new main monitor

Then the final thing will be building a new pc

Whats a good budget to look at for a good streaming pc

[upper ore]

So i realized i never installed GPU Tweak 3 on here when i built it. And i just realized its just been running on auto this entire time. So i guess for whatever reason auto likes to make the fans not run at all.

[reef moss]

That can run games smoothly on good graphics

[cyan ravine]

more is better up to a point

like, past some 1400? iirc

it becomes useless spending

for a 1080p streaming pc tho you wouldn't be near that

[reef moss]

I was thinking like 2.5

[cyan ravine]

that's wayyy too much

[mossy venture]

I'd say past $1500 is pointless

That extra $100 can be useful in some cases

One sec, I'll draft up a list rq

[mossy venture]

Do you care about looks?

Need built in wifi?

[reef moss]

Damn

[mossy venture]

Also

[reef moss]

Don't need built in wifi

[mossy venture]

I'd spend a bit more for a 1440p monitor

[cyan ravine]

the late changes in prices iirc brought that 1.5K mark down well under

[mossy venture]

For your budget 1080p is useless

[reef moss]

What monitor should i get?

[cyan ravine]

we had that, 1.5K 6900XT build before

[mossy venture]

M27q-p, g27q, x27q

[cyan ravine]

translates to a 3080 12gb

[reef moss]

Oh then my budget will be 1600 lol

[mossy venture]

If you want 27in

Could go bigger if you want with x32 or m32q

[reef moss]

So for this monitor than what should I get?

[mossy venture]

.

[reef moss]

Oh

[mossy venture]

Or these

First three are 27in

Other two are 32

[reef moss]

Lemme look at em rq

[mossy venture]

BRB, gonna make the list

[cyan ravine]

omg

mini air just fits on my desk

pog

[mossy venture]

How much storage you want?

[reef moss]

I wont be playing massive games

Just Valorant, modded minecraft, roblox, OW2

[fossil cedar]

Just use msi afterburner instead gpu tweak sucks

[mossy venture]

Cheapest decent 3080 12gb isn't worth it over this 10gb one https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wHLhTn

13600k bc why not

Though for those games this is complete overkill

You'd be fine with a 12400f and 3060 ti for those games with ease

[fossil cedar]

@mossy venture 1 prob

Board no flashback

[mossy venture]

Mm true

[reef moss]

So thats the build I should buy?

[mossy venture]

One sec

Pato gonna find a diff motherboard

Also if you want to save money, to run those games you plan to you could go much cheaper and still be fine

If you'd rather get very high end, it's good for the price

[reef moss]

Oh yeah cheaper is better for me haha

[mossy venture]

Could also get an atx 3.0 psu and get a 4080 whenever it comes out, but really no point lol

Alright one minute

[reef moss]

As long as I can stream games at great quality I'm happy

[fossil cedar]

What's your budget?

[reef moss]

I can go up to 2k

But whatever will fulfill what I need at cheap is good

1k - 1.5 - 2k

Either or

[fossil cedar]

Well you just wanna play Minecraft and valorant right?

No point spending like over 1k for that

[reef moss]

Mainly yeah

Modded minecraft

Like 200+mods

[fossil cedar]

Okay 1 sev

Oh okay

[upper ore]

Shaders aswell?

[fossil cedar]

Any aesthetic preferences?

Shaders aren't much to worry about when you're running 200+ mods tbh

[reef moss]

Yeah lol

[reef moss]

Black and white is cool

But if it effects the quality non

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rGDDKp includes monitor

[fossil cedar]

Okay

[mossy venture]

Could go cheaper on case

Oh wait that deep cool one is cheaper

[reef moss]

Lol

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tKRZH2

[reef moss]

Yall seem to be having a lot of fun with this haha

Me too though

[cyan ravine]

I'd bump up the gpu on that one

[mossy venture]

Making parts lists is my favorite part of being a tech nerd

[cyan ravine]

but it's otherwise good

[mossy venture]

Dropped down to save money since the games they're playing are very non demanding

[reef moss]

Should I just buy the graphics card now so it doesn't sell put

[mossy venture]

Could also go for a 6800xt and use qsv though

Nah its been $500 for like a month

[reef moss]

Oh aight

[mossy venture]

Do you have any issues buying used?

If not, you could likely find a 3080 under $600

[cyan ravine]

ugh if I could make the DAC cables LONGER

REeeeEEeEeEE

[reef moss]

I prefer new haha

[mossy venture]

Kk

Ok last one I'm sending https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qnr3Bj

Same cpu perf as the 12400f with better gpu

[reef moss]

I'll gladly look

[upper ore]

Does amd not send the wraiths anymore?

[cyan ravine]

not with 7K

but 5K yes

[fossil cedar]

@reef moss I'd do this with either monitor depends if you want 32" or 27"
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pksz9r

If you want basically the best

Since 200+ mods i think the extra cores gonna help a lot

[cyan ravine]

would change to 3080 12gb cos ray tracin

if they want that

IF THEY WANT THAT

[fossil cedar]

Minecraft java and valorant

[cyan ravine]

reeeee

[reef moss]

So many to pick

[fossil cedar]

No rt in those games

[upper ore]

Im glad you saw that because it can be taxing. Especially with shaders

[cyan ravine]

I'm busy measuring my desk and I'm short 4cm from perfection

[fossil cedar]

Also 580$ for 6800xt vs 700$ for 3080 vs 800$ for 3080 12gb

[cyan ravine]

damn 12tb

[fossil cedar]

Lol

[cyan ravine]

das a lot of vram

[fossil cedar]

Brrr

[fossil cedar]

Honestly can't recommend 5600 in this case cuz of 200+ mods

[frigid night]

even short ones can please the right person.

[reef moss]

So is patos the best possible build I can get for my budget

[frigid night]

Desks @fossil cedar Desks.

[fossil cedar]

Technically you could spend a bit more but very large diminishing returns starts to happen, you're spending $250 extra for 5% more perf

[cyan ravine]

I NEED MORE GIRTH

[frigid night]

Pato is my go to guy for builds within my budget range.

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-simpsons-homer-whistle-gif-5694935

[frigid night]

[fossil cedar]

@cyan ravine hear me out... Floor pc

[cyan ravine]

NO

[frigid night]

NOO

wth

[mossy venture]

jesus

[frigid night]

xD

[cyan ravine]

I WORKED SO HARD FOR DESK

[fossil cedar]

Lol

Okay hear me out v2

[cyan ravine]

DON'T SUGGEST PAIN

[fossil cedar]

Ssupd meshroom?

[cyan ravine]

...

[fossil cedar]

It fits atx

[cyan ravine]

[fossil cedar]

Nah i may work magic but not water into wine sorry

[cyan ravine]

smh

well what else can you do

[mossy venture]

i don't believe you

[cyan ravine]

[reef moss]

Thank you for the help!

[reef moss]

Thank you as well

[cyan ravine]

SFX only PSU

sadge

[mossy venture]

happy to my dude, if you have any more questions feel free to come back

[cyan ravine]

actually

[fossil cedar]

Np

[fossil cedar]

I can do this....

[cyan ravine]

NR200p max max

[mossy venture]

typing with a bandaid on the end of my middle finger feels so weird

[reef moss]

Will do

[frigid night]

is that a punching bag?

[flint sapphire]

mount the pc to the wall

[reef moss]

Ayo? Same. I shot a staple into the side of my hand at work

[cyan ravine]

I was expecting this:

[fossil cedar]

Buy sfx psu

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/oop-take-my-money-gif-23438077

[fossil cedar]

Ye

[fossil cedar]

Lmao

[mossy venture]

jesus, i just got a paper cut at the end of mine

[frigid night]

[mossy venture]

and it hurts to type without smthn covering it

[reef moss]

I'd argue yours is more painful

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hear-me-out-michael-che-saturday-night-live-listen-to-me-listen-up-gif-21183188

[mossy venture]

lmao

[reef moss]

Do you guys play any val?

Preferably non toxic

[fossil cedar]

Nah i tried it wasn't for me

[mossy venture]

too much

[cyan ravine]

I play 'Throw the ruler against the wall cos I need 4 more cm to feel satisfied'

[flint sapphire]

I occasionally play

[reef moss]

It's a hard game to get real good at but once you do it's super fun