building-and-recc-chat

[empty pollen]

i mean, it can be anything on a used card

and play medium to low until you are ready for the maintenance

no need to stress anymore the silicon, you can potentially shortening its life span

[little osprey]

Are there any cheap cases that are decent for Micro-ATX?

[vernal surge]

yes, there are

[little osprey]

Would you possibly have any specific suggestions?

[vernal surge]

not without zero clarifying information regarding your budget and application

might as well type "cheap cases that are decent for Micro-ATX" into a search engine

[sterile ice]

hi evvey one

every

my name is boda

[strong geyser]

Can I use a Ryzen 9 5950 with a Ryzen 7000 series mobo?

[stoic island]

no

different socket

[strong geyser]

damn

Should I just choose a 7000 or a 5950?

[stoic island]

for doing what

[strong geyser]

general high end shenanigans.

[stoic island]

gaming? rendering? simulations?

[strong geyser]

all.

[stoic island]

wot

[strong geyser]

I game, do some video editing, 3D modeling, and I use Virtual Machines frequently.

[stoic island]

unless you're doing multiple vms, 7900x better option

[strong geyser]

unless you're doing multiple vms
Elaborate?

I have 3 vms max open

[stoic island]

If you want 16 vms and give 2 threads per vm, can't do that with a 7900x, 5950x only option

[strong geyser]

I might sound very naive but is that because the 7900 doesn't have that many threads?

[stoic island]

7900x is 12c24t, 5950x is 16c32t

[strong geyser]

Ah.

[willow quest]

I overclocked on amd's adrenaline software but it keeps resetting to defaults. Idk why. Can anyone help?

[paper summit]

@mossy venture

@mossy venture

Go to sleep

[next dock]

Can you swap cpus without needing to reinstall windows

I want igpu so i am going to switch to the igpu version of my cpu

Same gen/socket etc

How

I couldn’t disable it in device manager (probably because my disks were using intel rst)

And I can’t disable it anywhere in BIOS

[potent portal]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000037220/technologies/intel-rapid-storage-technology-intel-rst.html

[potent portal]

Yes but you'll get a warning about TPM keys being reset and will lose access to bitlocker drives if you have any

[next dock]

I did that but the option to change is still greyed out

[next dock]

Nah i don’t use bitlocker

TPM keys would affect stuff like windows hello tho right

So PIN would be reset

[potent portal]

I don't use that and I leave TPM off anyway

[next dock]

I have mine on by default

I don’t know if it matters for my use case

[potent portal]

I got an entirely new motherboard and I could still use the same windows install with the same pin and everything though

[next dock]

Bruh i can’t even update bios without needing to reset pin

Anyways is there a way to not use the intel rapid storage and use some other storage controller

like a windows standard driver type thing

[potent portal]

You can uninstall the RST driver but it'll just download and install it again

[next dock]

Bruh

🤔

I can’t escape RST i guess

I don’t understand why clearing CMOS won’t clear the SATA setting tho

Everything else resets except the SATA mode

[dim forge]

Is the 5600 non X also good?

It's on sale $150 on amazon

[analog hearth]

you’re about to have a bunch of people say “nO iT’s nOT gOoD. gET tHe NeWEsT CPu.” I personally wouldn’t listen to them. if it meets your price-to-performance needs, then it’s for sure worth it (just look up some benchmarks for it and compare it to other CPUs before finalizing your decision)

[dim forge]

Just asking out of curiosity bc I've never had ryzen processors

But thank youu

[mossy venture]

Yes

It is just as good as the 5600x, literally 1-2% performance difference

Just don't get the g

[obsidian wigeon]

5600 for 150 is good

If anyone says to wait for new gen to that good deal, they're stupid anyway

[viral ore]

you can get the 12400f for 150 tho

probably cheaper

nope nvm

5600 good chip

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

12400 hovers at higher than 5600 rn

[paper summit]

Yea learned that the hardway

[crisp minnow]

So I finished my build a week ago. But someone hit a power pole and we lost power, I’m assuming there was a power surge because ever since then my pc turns on but doesn’t post or give me video. Any ideas?

I’ve tried a different video card, removing ram, trying different ram slots. Nothin. PSU issue? Despite all fans turning on and all rgb lighting up?

[quaint granite]

DO NOT USE ZIP PAYMENT ON NEW EGG

[crisp minnow]

Tried that once and was denied lol

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811553054?Item=N82E16811553054&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-DbYnBFaWV9CTwkunmwpc3g

I was originally going to use this case for my build, but I'm now kinda looking for a cheaper option

A $50-60 case with some pre-installed fans would be amazing

[mossy venture]

It is $60 tho?

[analog pulsar]

Yea I'm sure you have to have good credit

[crisp minnow]

You do and i had no credit

[analog pulsar]

Well since you tried and removed everything chnaged stuff I would try another power supply or check cables also what tier is your power supply bc if it didn't have good protection when power when out it could have damaged something

[crisp minnow]

It’s a super flower leadex III gold

[obsidian wigeon]

Zip just feels like another financing payment tbh

Nothing out of the ordinary

I don't get what's so evil about it lol

[analog pulsar]

Well they are it's so you can buy stuff monthly

[crisp minnow]

I was hoping maybe just the cables because when I installed it, it wouldn’t turn on until I reseated all the cables. I thought it was loose at the time, but now I’m wondering if maybe I got bad cables

[obsidian wigeon]

I'm aware of that

[analog pulsar]

They just ranting like they did yesterday

They complain about Amazon too

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah, I saw

"i can't use my code so it sucks"

[crisp minnow]

I’m just stumped because everything turns on but I get no post beep and no video

[analog pulsar]

Lol if newegg so bad wouldn't you just leave

[analog pulsar]

I meant check if cables got hurt ot anythinf

Power failure can't that send a charge into pc @obsidian wigeon do you know answer

[obsidian wigeon]

Huh?

I'm a lil confused

[analog pulsar]

Like I'm power is cut really fast

[crisp minnow]

I know a surge can take out a pc and from what I was reading it should hit the PSU first

[analog pulsar]

Cant that fry components @obsidian wigeon

I'm trying to word it right

[crisp minnow]

I’m assuming when they fixed the power it would have caused the surge. Despite having a surge protector

[obsidian wigeon]

Well

Power surge can fry things

[crisp minnow]

It’s a cheap surge protector though lol

[analog pulsar]

@crisp minnow do you have pc just plugged into wall or a surge protector

[obsidian wigeon]

Surge protector that's too slow can be the cause

[crisp minnow]

I have a surge protector it’s plugged in to

[lilac ember]

what you think of this buid https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YHkYwc

[obsidian wigeon]

No

If it's a gaming rig, no

[mossy venture]

The only valid answer to that is "no"

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[lilac ember]

Is for everything

[obsidian wigeon]

For one

You don't need a $1500 mobo for anything

[mossy venture]

For literally anything it is terrible value

[obsidian wigeon]

It's terrible value all around

[stoic island]

If you're going to get a 3090ti wait like 2 weeks for 4090

[mossy venture]

Ram, mobo, cpu, psu, gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[mossy venture]

Aio

[lilac ember]

I am

[mossy venture]

Every single thing except for the case in that is a terrible choice

[stoic island]

And that ram, so much money for such bad ram :p

That's like 150$ ram for 400$

[obsidian wigeon]

This rig is the "I have money and Imma spend it how I want"

No value whatsoever

[stoic island]

Like microcenter is giving away 2x16gb of ram of that speed

[obsidian wigeon]

Yep

[stoic island]

Free vs 400$

[obsidian wigeon]

And it's decent ram at that

[lilac ember]

I need cORSAIR i’m using the suffer for RGB

[stoic island]

Bruh

Openrgb

No one needs Corsair

[obsidian wigeon]

The ram microcenter is giving also has rgb

[mossy venture]

Corsair rgb software is terrible too

[obsidian wigeon]

Oh wait it doesn't have rgb

But even then, you'd be saving a ton

[lilac ember]

Why is overkill build

[analog pulsar]

but but why not..................

[obsidian wigeon]

This build is just bad value everything lol

Board that expensive only benefits people who does extreme ocing with ln2 and stuff

[mossy venture]

The 12900k has just as good performance as the 7950x

And is cheaper

[obsidian wigeon]

And that too

[mossy venture]

And has much better mobo options

[analog pulsar]

@obsidian wigeon i can justify spending that on gpu but ive seen some mobos for like $600 just feels like to much

[obsidian wigeon]

It is

[mossy venture]

You literally disagreed with me yesterday for saying the same thing

[analog pulsar]

No I was saying mobo are gunna be expensive

[mossy venture]

I said "imagine spending as much on your motherboard as your cpu"

[lilac ember]

I doing game streaming editing and I making YouTube video

[analog pulsar]

But I don't need to choose that one

[mossy venture]

"That must suck"

[obsidian wigeon]

That still doesn't excuse for 7950x

[mossy venture]

And you said "that's how it's going to be from now on, as tech advances its going to be more expensive"

[obsidian wigeon]

Nor is a $400 psu needed

[analog pulsar]

It's 2022 we must have matching cpu and mobo prices

[mossy venture]

Nor justifiable

[mossy venture]

[obsidian wigeon]

7000D doesn't even let you look at the psu if you care about how the psu looks

[lilac ember]

I show you

Can I dm you

All the pictures I have

[obsidian wigeon]

Um, nah. I'd rather talk about things here

[analog pulsar]

@lilac ember send here a few I wanna see

[lilac ember]

Why I can’t send pictures

[obsidian wigeon]

Huh it does have a psu window

Even then I don't think a $400 psu is justifiable

[analog pulsar]

Lol

[analog pulsar]

You can even get like a $200 for 1300W or something

[obsidian wigeon]

Just spend $100 on a good 1000w psu or something

[lilac ember]

Lat me add #build-pics

[obsidian wigeon]

Then you're good with whatever gpu and cpu

[mossy venture]

Not really $100, but phanteks amp is $160

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah, about that

That's more than half of $400

But delivers the same experience

Same reliability and stuff

[mossy venture]

There's some good 1300s for $200 or so

If going current gen psu for a 4090, I'd get a 1200+

[obsidian wigeon]

Eh, even a 1000 is fine if it's got good transients. But with this big of a budget, I can agree with ya

[lilac ember]

Do you think go with intel

[lilac ember]

Won’t let me

[obsidian wigeon]

For sure

[mossy venture]

Yes, am5 is a complete waste of money atm

[obsidian wigeon]

With a reasonable mobo and ram combo

12900k saves a lot of cash

[analog pulsar]

Idk why

[lilac ember]

DDR 5

[obsidian wigeon]

Nah, just ddr4 is fine

[analog pulsar]

Not really when you can get free ram with it

[mossy venture]

With their budget, can go ddr5

[obsidian wigeon]

But tru

Not that $400 corsair kit tho

[lilac ember]

Add me

[mossy venture]

It is still more expensive than the 12th gen equivelant + mobo+ ram lmao

[analog pulsar]

🤔

[mossy venture]

Complete waste of money

[obsidian wigeon]

or

buy cpu from mc, sell cpu, keep ram

[analog pulsar]

The ram is free

[obsidian wigeon]

that's a hassle but it can be an idea lol

[little osprey]

FREE

FREE

FREE

[mossy venture]

And still a bad deal

[little osprey]

Yeah, but I read the reviews, the pre-installed fans aren't the best IG

[mossy venture]

It's the best case you'll find for the price

[obsidian wigeon]

^

Can't ask a lot for $60

[analog pulsar]

Lol

[little osprey]

I'm broke 😭

[obsidian wigeon]

Well it's still not a bad case lol

Fans aren't gonna be the best, but they will do the job

[lilac ember]

i sill have my ql fan

[blazing granite]

will ddr4 2666mhz ram work on b550m with ryzen 5600x? or should i upgrade to at least 3200?

[obsidian wigeon]

it will

but the 5600x will be slow

best to buy better ram

[little osprey]

[obsidian wigeon]

there's a kit of 16 gigs 3200 for about $48 rn

from team group or silicon power

32 for $70-80

[blazing granite]

https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820226946?Description=mushkin?&cm_re=mushkin?-_-20-226-946-_-Product?

[obsidian wigeon]

That will do

[blazing granite]

ty

will it be better to go for higher speed? lik 3600 or unnecessary

[mossy venture]

It'll work, but depends on the gpu you're pairing it with if it's worth upgrading it

Also I'd get 5600 over 5600x

[blazing granite]

2060 super

[mossy venture]

Same perf for less

I'd say doesn't matter much, will be gpu bound in most scenarios anyways

[obsidian wigeon]

^

3200 and 3600 won't be too much of a diff

at best probably 5 fps lol

[mossy venture]

I mean even at 2666mhz, with a 2060 super it won't be a huge difference

Considering a 3300x is fine to pair with it lol

[obsidian wigeon]

Hm, but still I would do 3200

[mossy venture]

Ye, could just sell the current ram ig

[blazing granite]

ty all

[analog pulsar]

how to make HEIC into normal

[worn wave]

Use a converter.

Literally hundreds online.

[frank stirrup]

tell friend to throw iphone out of window

[analog pulsar]

[short yoke]

Anyone down to help me out a bit? I've got everything in place in my PC but I'm getting an error code on the Mobo and no display

ROG strix x570 E gaming with error code A9 (Start of Setup)

[obsidian wigeon]

A9 means it's entered bios

[short yoke]

Hmmm

[obsidian wigeon]

Where did you plug your monitor cable into?

Back of the gpu or mobo

[short yoke]

Gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

Hm, maybe give it a restart

[short yoke]

I'm assuming just holding the power button for a few secs?

[obsidian wigeon]

Got any different monitors to test with?

Yeah

I would check display cable too

[short yoke]

Unfortunately no

[short yoke]

I'll try a diff HDMI cable

[obsidian wigeon]

Well that complicates things, but that'll probably do

[short yoke]

IT BOOTEDDDDD

[obsidian wigeon]

There we go

[short yoke]

Ty foxy

In hindsight I'm kinda stupid for not putting two and two together with the "Start of setup" xD

It's my first build so I'm just nervous

[upper tusk]

Will a 2060 work with a mobo z87a

[mossy venture]

Yes, though I'm not sure I would pair it with anything on that platform

[upper tusk]

Why not

[mossy venture]

Eh ig 4770 wouldn't be terrible

[upper tusk]

I have an i5 4670k

[empty pollen]

i had a 3060ti paired with a 4770

worked great

[upper tusk]

Z87a mobo with 2060 will it affect the 2060 fps that much

[empty pollen]

it will, but it will work

my card was supossed to hit 180 fps on doom eternal full settings but the pcie gen 2 bandwidth limited my fps to like 140

as an aexample

[upper tusk]

It will be better than the rx560 2gb i have now. Have pci 3.0x16

[empty pollen]

totally

if i had decent fps on pcie gen 2 i dont see the problem on your config

try to upgrade the rest of the system tho

😛

[upper tusk]

I have a 500 or 600 psu somewhere

[empty pollen]

im planning to pair a 4090 to a 4770 now hehehehe

extreme bottleneck

[upper tusk]

Isnt my mobo z87a limited to 1070 at best?

[empty pollen]

what? no

you are limiting yourself

[upper tusk]

Heard it from coworker

[empty pollen]

as i said, i had a 3060ti on a pcie gen 2 mobo

was bottlenecked but it worked well anyway

[lament fulcrum]

Should i get a b450m steel legend instead of a x570 steel legend? Using a 2700x

Its 90 instead of 160

[empty pollen]

x570 not worth

get a b550 instead if you already have the cpu

if not, consider 12400f + b660

[upper tusk]

@empty pollen i will be ok even thpugh i dont upgrwde my cpu i5-4670k 3.4ghz

[lament fulcrum]

Not trying to buy cpu since my 2700x is still good

B550 doesn't support my cpu

"Officially" at least

[short yoke]

Going through windows 11 set up rn and its not giving me the option to wirelessly connect to internet

[empty pollen]

ok, ill be clear.... will it work? yes, it will work....will you have a bottleneck? yes a big one... will be better than what i have? totally, even with the bottleneck

still, try to upgrade the rest of the system in the future as well to get the full performance of your card

[empty pollen]

bios update should cover that

b550 is superior than 450 and x570

[mossy venture]

B450 would work fine if you're buying used or get a sale on one new

Otherwise b550

[upper tusk]

Im mostly play on xbox. Pc is for sony ported games and god of war i couldnt play. As well as pc only games

[empty pollen]

then it will be fine

[lament fulcrum]

So 150$ for an x570 is not as good as b550? I only plan on getting the asrock for the price and offerings

Which b550 should i get? Have 2 m.2 so

Is their a tier list for budget boards?

[upper condor]

👀

i came here a while ago asking about buying a new PC, and was told to come back because a ton of new stuff was coming out

wait longer or not?

[empty pollen]

depend on your budget

intel 13th gen will be released on october 20th

[lament fulcrum]

Yeah b550 definitely doesnt support zen+

[stoic island]

B550 doesn't support 3200/3400g and any 2000 or 1000 chips

No bios update can fix that

[lament fulcrum]

So x570 steel legend vs b450 steel legend. ~$160 vs ~$90

Running a 2700x might upgrade to 5600x in future

[stoic island]

Meh, I don't like either option

Maybe a used x570 board is possible

[lament fulcrum]

I dont either but im trying not to spend 200+ on a mobo

[stoic island]

I don't like x570 steel legend for 150$, it'd be fine if it was closer to 100$

[lament fulcrum]

X570 aorus elite?

169

[stoic island]

I just really don't like spending that much on a 'last gen' board

[lament fulcrum]

My better option would be b550 and i do want to upgrade cpu. Some people have apparently had a 2700x working on the b550 tomahawk just fine. Thats the one i want honestly

I just dont wanna take the chance

[lament fulcrum]

Would this be worth? Refurbished

[stoic island]

nah gaming edge wifi vrms sucked avoid that one

Avoid gaming edge, avoid x570-a, avoid x570 DU, avoid phantom gaming 4, and the rest should be okay

[crisp minnow]

Got my pc to boot. Just needed to power flush the motherboard

[upper condor]

over 1500~

i already have my storage and peripherals so

[empty pollen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dsnPY9

[strong raft]

Which mobo did you have? My z77 is pcie 3. btw @upper tusk even pcie 2 x16 (like pcie3 x8) won't really effect a 2060 much in most games.

[empty pollen]

ms-7860

is an hp 400 g1

[lament fulcrum]

I just got the x570 steel legend with the wifi. Its good enough for me with forwards compatibility

Not too expensive either. Just sad i cant the b550 tomahawk

[upper condor]

i already have storage that im good with, could the money for that go to anywhere better?

[empty pollen]

hmmm

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XpDPY9

just upgraded the cpu

for more cores, because... why not?

[upper condor]

3080 is really only 750 now wow

[empty pollen]

if not you can go with the 12400f and use the spare money elsewhere

6 cores are enough for most gaming anyway

[upper condor]

if i dont need wifi on my board for now can that help LMAO?

[empty pollen]

you will only save like 10 bucks

not worth if you will add wifi in the future anyway

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gcy6mr

[upper condor]

thats fair then

[empty pollen]

well was more like 15 bucks

but the point stands

[upper condor]

is that cooler good enough?

[empty pollen]

😛

it is

[upper condor]

not really knowledgable

sweet

[empty pollen]

both the 12400f and the 12700f are cool cpus

no pun intended

you can go for superior cooling on a pa120 (35usd) or crank cooling to the max with an ak620 (60usd)... at least on air

but the se-214 is more than enough

[strong raft]

Remember tdp is basically at base clock, not boost. Could also try 12600kf at $260ish then maybe do a slightly better cooler either way. The extra 2 Pcores doesn't do much in most games.

[upper condor]

i already have a NHU12-S

would that be better?

[cyan ravine]

Oh wait 12400

No it's fine for 12400 I saw the I7

Kekekw

[strong raft]

Deffo use that U12S if you get the 12400F. 5heatpipes, etc.

[empty pollen]

yeah its better

[upper condor]

and if i were to, is it possible to buy the intel bracket somewhere exclusive?

i have an AMD machine rn and lost the intel brackets ages ago probably

or just threw them away

[cyan ravine]

Iirc noctua ships brackets for older coolers

Direct

[empty pollen]

probably on amazon or you can request one to noctua itslef

what felix said

hmmmm ak620 at 71 usd

just days before the fantastech......

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[strong raft]

https://noctua.at/en/noctua-announces-free-of-charge-mounting-upgrades-and-updated-cpu-coolers-for-lga1700

[empty pollen]

and also out of stock....

pretty sus

seems like black friday xD

[cyan ravine]

I'm annoyed af rn

I want 4 things, I can only see 1 thing

[empty pollen]

are you turning green?

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-roar-avengers-infinity-war-angry-gif-11873427

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/leslie-nielsen-naked-gun-slap-smack-gif-14087349

[empty pollen]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[cyan ravine]

4090 wb where

A die where

[olive cypress]

I just opened YouTube and saw a video of a asian man dropping a 4090

No more YouTube after this suffering

[frigid night]

Does it matter that he's asian?

If a white man dropped it, would you announce that a white man dropped it?

[olive cypress]

Yea
Because they have acces to 4000 series
And we don't

Just to specifiy

China usually has things first

Like most 4000 leaks were cards from China

[strong raft]

China isn't Asian.

[olive cypress]

Explain yourself

[empty pollen]

probably the 4090 strix

thats old

on the mini mobo

[olive cypress]

Yes

Itx mobo

[empty pollen]

2 grands for that card

imagine

[olive cypress]

Why was he handling it like that

[empty pollen]

well he was testing durability

was expected

[olive cypress]

Hope it was a broken or just "not 4090" card

[empty pollen]

maybe a non functional card

[olive cypress]

I hope so

[empty pollen]

they were asus representatives anyway

the card was expected to be stressed

[olive cypress]

309$ 13600k looks good for a pre-order

[olive cypress]

Poor card

I'm surprised that now a single graphics card can cost well over or double a average pc build

[empty pollen]

well, its the flagship

cant argue against the price of the 4090

[olive cypress]

I mean they're powerful and all but 1.6k looks a bit too much

[empty pollen]

the 4080 on the other hand.....

[olive cypress]

So I'd expect something good for mid range rtx 4000

[empty pollen]

yeah

mid range is 30 series

go ahead 😛

[olive cypress]

I hope 4050 (if there'll be one) is not going to be too bad comapared to other 4000

[empty pollen]

at this point anything below the 4080 12 is a mistery

maybe they will make those, maybe not

[olive cypress]

3050 was is such a bad card...
Selling for almost 300 while the same as a 1080

[empty pollen]

as long as the 30 series are still overstock they will not devaluate those further

so, no 4060 for you

[olive cypress]

Nvidia always gave out 3 cards on the event, then they make all the other different models like ti and lower range cards

[mossy venture]

I'm not expecting anything below 4060 ti personally

Unless they plan to make a 4060 that has the performance of a 3060 ti lol

[empty pollen]

no, you missed this point

they will not fit 4070 or 4060s while those 30 series exist

[olive cypress]

Even on 3000 launch the announced 3070, 3080 & 3090

Nothing else at first

[empty pollen]

was a different time

they didnt had overstock of 20 series

[olive cypress]

The we got 3050 60 & tu later on

Ti*

[empty pollen]

you need to slowly accept that, as long as the 30 series remains overstock then no more 40 skus will me made

they will make big money on the 4090 and 4080

while 30 series is still around on big numbers

[olive cypress]

I'm happy for 4000 to come out so I may get a cheaper 3000

[empty pollen]

thats the plan of nvidia

[olive cypress]

But EU still has much higher prices....

[empty pollen]

with the high end 40 series you will be forced to buy 30 series instead 😛

[olive cypress]

We still got 3060ti for 430€ as a "good deal"

[empty pollen]

still better than my country xD

joking, the used market is at msrp and sometimes below

[olive cypress]

Imagine if they go out of stock because everyone buys them because of lower prices

[olive cypress]

What country you in?

[empty pollen]

Ecuador

[empty pollen]

well, thats the plan

they need the 30 series to go out of stock to make the lower 40 skus

and if the higher end ones go oos then they will produce more

big money

on both ends nvidia wins without the need of the lower 40 skus

if they release the lower 40s they will kill the 30 series on the spot

i dont think they will like that to happen

[olive cypress]

I'm not informed much on the new series but are there any PCIe 5.0 cards for now?

[empty pollen]

no

pcie4

[olive cypress]

Maybe rx7000...?

[empty pollen]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[olive cypress]

We already got 5.0 mobos a while ago... So I guess something should come out

1000Gb Ethernet cards with 16x 5.0

[empty pollen]

30 series barely filled the pcie3 bus, maybe the 40 series will fill the pcie 4 bus and the next gen will be pcie5... the 50 series

not sure if amd will use pcie5 anyway, probably not

anyway its forward/backward compatible so meh

[olive cypress]

64GB/s

Literally double of what is basically not being used by all cards available on the market

[empty pollen]

yes? and?

seems like there is not enough gpu power to fill all those lanes

at least not this gen

[olive cypress]

And I guess we won't get to that point soon
So I guess 5.0 is just to make "soon" coming cards more compatible with older motherboards as well

[cyan ravine]

30 series barely filled the 2.0 bus actually

[olive cypress]

Yeah, it can be easily seen, the difference in FPS is usually 0-2

In most games

(using other PCIe versions)

[cyan ravine]

I'm actually kinda sadge Ada isn't pcie 5.0 cos you could all likely run that off of 4 lanes in a gpu box if it was

[olive cypress]

It'd be nice if Newegg instead of including DDR5 dimms with 7000 products they should give you a fire extinguisher

[potent portal]

That's because of latency on the bus, not speed related

[lament fulcrum]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/dogerisb/saved/8zgxgs

Finalized build and bought parts. Will be completed next friday. Glad to have a working pc again

[cyan ravine]

Which parts you already own?

[olive cypress]

Yep
Since it's higher freq a single input/output will be transmitted in less time

[lament fulcrum]

The 2700x 3070ti ssds and the psu

Spilled beer and ruined my pc. 3070ti is the only verified working part

[cyan ravine]

Can you cool a 2700X on a single tower?

[lament fulcrum]

After re pasting during cleanup though i get def better thermals on the 3070ti

Yeah. I was using an id se 224 xt previously

[olive cypress]

I'd say the 2700x is not a good CPU to pair with a 3070ti if you're playing 1080/1440

[cyan ravine]

Use it again?

[lament fulcrum]

Well i thought i threw away the fan. So i threw away the tower. A week later i find the fan so no choice but to buy another

[potent portal]

Yes, easily

[olive cypress]

2000 ryzens be cool

[lament fulcrum]

I mean it works great for me. It may not ideal but i get a less than 10% bottleneck on the 3070 ti for sure

[cyan ravine]

Zip ties go a long way for a fanless heatsink kekw

[lament fulcrum]

Utilization is usually mid high 90s

[olive cypress]

Depends on the resolution you play at

[lament fulcrum]

1440p and 4k mainly

[olive cypress]

Ok

Then its pretty much good

[lament fulcrum]

4k if i have it on my tv downstairs.

Yeah its honestly a well balanced build.

I would like to get at least a 5600x so thats why i got a x570 board

[olive cypress]

Yeah that's a good choice

It should keep up with most graphics card at any res

[lament fulcrum]

May get one may not. Honestly not worth if the 2700x stays alive

[little osprey]

@fossil cedar, could you possibly put together a quick list that uses a Ryzen 5 5600G? I kinda want to look down that route instead of a 12100

[jagged ember]

why thougu

[olive cypress]

You could also go b550 to cheap out a bit

I guess

[lament fulcrum]

Cant

[little osprey]

I'd be very thankful if you do

[jagged ember]

12100 is more cpu than a 3600 with igpu

[lament fulcrum]

B550 doesnt support zen +

[jagged ember]

which the 5600G is just a 3600 with igpu

[lament fulcrum]

Only ryzen 3000+ are supported. Read that some people got it working. But not without issues

[olive cypress]

B550 can support all CPUs after 3000
Most of them won't be compatible with 1000 or 2000

But you Amy need a bios update

To get 5000 to work

[lament fulcrum]

Yeah i plan on updating the bios when i get the board first thing

[olive cypress]

Yeah, I mean if you plan to get 5600 go for either 570 or 550

Your choice

[olive cypress]

Some allow you to do it without a CPU

So it's easier

[lament fulcrum]

Yeah as long as you have it on the usb

[olive cypress]

Yep

[lament fulcrum]

If i do get a b550 i know which one ill get. But the case im getting doesn't even have usbc so the x570 steel legend has everything that i need plus wifi 6 as an added bonus.

My previous board was an x470 msi gaming plus max so this is already an upgrade

[little osprey]

Is there actually any decent budget AMD CPU?

@jagged ember

[olive cypress]

I have to go
Byee

[lament fulcrum]

5600x is $200 on newegg rn

[fossil cedar]

5600 is the closest to that

[lament fulcrum]

Its 150 i think

[fossil cedar]

The x model hasn't been relevant since the non x came out tbh

[lament fulcrum]

Bout to say not many people overclock, including me

[fossil cedar]

No point unless you're not going to use a gpu ever but you would be better off just getting a 10100 and used 1060 or something in that case

[fossil cedar]

That's not even what the x is

It's just like 100mhz higher stock

[lament fulcrum]

Oh i thought x just meant an unlocked cpu

[fossil cedar]

And pbo is the way to go on ryzen

[fossil cedar]

Nope all amd cpus are unlocked, maybe the athalons aren't but eh

[jagged ember]

not anymore, intel basically massacred amd in the budget area

[fossil cedar]

Well with ryzens only 5000 series r3 being the 5300g and oem only it's clear amd doesn't care about the low end now

[dim forge]

Guys I need some help with ethernet

[strong raft]

The $100 5600 deal would be amd's "decent budget" cpu.

[dim forge]

I bought a CAT 6 ethernet cable

Problem is

I tested it on my friends router and worked perfectly

But now I'm at home and is not working

Windows says "Ethernet does not have a valid IP configuration"

[strong raft]

Cable isn't the issue. Turn off pc, turn off router. Turn on router and a few minutes later turn on pc.

[dim forge]

Oke Imma try that

[zealous edge]

Quick question. What would be the cause of the USB-C port fast charging my phone for 10 seconds, then randomly going back to cable charging my phone.

[dim forge]

Still doesn't work, keeps saying the same thing

Ethernet does not have a valid IP config

[fossil cedar]

Did you set a static ip?

[little osprey]

This is a brand new PSU

I had a brand new motherboard doing the same thing

Could it be my CPU that died?

[dim forge]

Nope

[fossil cedar]

Huh wtf, all the connections are fully in?

[dim forge]

I think my router is the problem

Idk why but its not working

[strong raft]

Try reset button on router? Idk tbh.
--Josh, you didn't use any old cables with new psu? I feel a power cable is just wrong or not 100% inserted somewhere. Perhaps show a closeup of cables into psu, cpu pwr on mobo, and pic 2, 3 & 5 of this:

[ornate condor]

probably something shorting out thats why psu swithcing off to protect

[jagged ember]

are you reusing power cables from the old psu?

you shouldn't, by the way

[ornate condor]

and btw shorting random pins on mobo is not good idea lol you have to make sure power switch pins and short them directly

[jagged ember]

yeah that too

[ornate condor]

this guy shorting pins randomly lol

[jagged ember]

i'll just casually short random pins hoping one of em is power switch

[mossy venture]

Wait

I've been using my old one from my evga bbq for my rmx

[ornate condor]

id try it without gpu . i had similar issue couse my gpu were shorting out

[jagged ember]

you got lucky, then

[mossy venture]

Yeah lol

[jagged ember]

different psu cables have different pinouts man

[mossy venture]

Idek where rhe new one is

[jagged ember]

basically means if you reuse cables you can explode something by running something to the wrong pin

do not try this at home

[ornate condor]

umm I think I mixed cables before too

[mossy venture]

Yeah I know, I didn't realize power cables were the same way though

Thought they were universal. Stupid that they're not

[cyan ravine]

Some brands use similar pinouts, I believe EVGA and Corsair might both be type 4 but you should look into that

Needless to say, after this long? You'd know if it was wrong imo

[strong raft]

Corsair often also has their deal with capacitors inside the cables or something.

[mossy venture]

I definitely would, I've stressed it a good bit considering a 6800xt was run on it and it's 650w

[cyan ravine]

If you want a sanity check you can take them out and check the pinouts match

[ornate condor]

btw looking for cheap 2k monitor for gaming I see 3 very cheap option but idk which one is good

[mossy venture]

How would I do that, isn't it just the prongs that show?

[cyan ravine]

Just see which wire goes to where

If they both have the same layout across both cables it's both type 4

[ornate condor]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824012047?Item=N82E16824012047 gigabyte for 220$
https://www.adorama.com/aocg322qcx.html AOC for 200$
and hp x32 for 200$

idk what panel is VA WLED

[mossy venture]

And were talking about the actual power cable, right?

[cyan ravine]

Ya

[ornate condor]

psu end of cables are different yeah

[cyan ravine]

Both pcie cables, follow each wire to each end

[mossy venture]

Like, wall cable

[cyan ravine]

No pcie

Lol

[mossy venture]

I'm talking about wall power cable

Not pcie power

[cyan ravine]

Oh, the kettle cable is fine

[mossy venture]

Ofc I changed the inside connectors

[ornate condor]

lol no power cable doesn't matter

[mossy venture]

That's what I thought

[ornate condor]

I using generic power cables lol

[mossy venture]

Yall were giving me anxiety

[cyan ravine]

We all were getting anxiety

[mossy venture]

Ofc I know to change the inside cables

[cyan ravine]

Well I trusted you did until you said you were using an evga power cable

[strong raft]

All this time you freaking over the wall cord that's used by 9000000 devices.

[ornate condor]

lets give another chance to gigabyte and get their monitor to see what happens

[cyan ravine]

Why not M32Q?

[stoic island]

Price

[cyan ravine]

Ah

[mossy venture]

When wideus said power cable

I assumed that meant actual power cable, as pcie power cables are normally referred to some variation of 8 pin, 6pin, pcie power etc

[strong raft]

Oh well. I also generally call it the power cord. Been the same thing for 20+ years.

[ornate condor]

I need it as 2nd monitor actually

thats why going to cheap

since it's for my gaming build colors isn't that important . I have white strix and gundam monitor for work

idk why did I paid 700$ for gundam monitor lol it is worst priced item in my build . ( excluding white strix 3090 couse it was expensive duo shortage)

it is just 27 inch 2k monitor for 700$

[high yew]

has anyone had problems using any colours that isn't blue/orange with asus aura sync? even using presets the fan rgb seems to be all messed up. i can supply a video if need be

[earnest olive]

try openrgb first

see if it's software or hardware problem

[dim forge]

I found the issue with my Ethernet conection

my modem only sends internet conection through LAN1 and LAN2 ports

I have both of them busy so I can't use ethernet

😭

[ornate condor]

[analog pulsar]

I used openrgb and it broke my ram

[earnest olive]

what did you do

[midnight pelican]

fortnite

[analog pulsar]

Nothing I opened it up and I think refresh it or changed the colors then the ram stop being detected and I ping you in #special-role-channel about the ram being -252C the sensor in hwinfo stop reporting my ram wasn't showing up at all I had to restart pc

[earnest olive]

wack

[dim forge]

I fixed the modem issue

now I need to fit the cable trough my door without completely destroying it

lol

[jagged ember]

under the door

easy

[sharp temple]

Will this work in a regular run of the mill m.2 slot

[obsidian wigeon]

No

That only takes mini pcie form

[analog hearth]

isn't that basically just an A+E-key M.2 card?

[cunning haven]

Hey yall, first time building a PC. Doin research and I got two parts so far.
ASUS Crosshair x670E Extreme and AMD Ryzen 9 7950x.

GPU I’m looking at the 4090, but I don’t know which one is good. I’m gonna aim for the ROG version, but unsure if that’s worth the price and I should stick with FE. I honestly don’t know the different between the FE and ROG

Would anyone be able to help me out 😅🙏🏽

[analog hearth]

go Intel instead of AMD. there's more value in Intel CPUs this year (but wait for 13th gen)

as far as GPUs, I'm not sure

[cunning haven]

Mind elaborating? New to this 😅

[obsidian wigeon]

AMD 7000 series is slower than last gen in gaming

Especially the 5800X3D

Well, not slower than non 3D variant, but virtually zero improvement

[cunning haven]

So 7950X ain’t good compared to intel?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yep

[cunning haven]

Damn

[obsidian wigeon]

If you're aiming for 4090, might as well wait for 13th gen from Intel

Mobo won't be very expensive too

[cunning haven]

Which one would be the best? 4090 FE or some third party?

[obsidian wigeon]

Anything would work

[cunning haven]

Thing is already got the MOBO and CPU.

[obsidian wigeon]

I wouldn't get the strix tho, it's too expensive

$1999 for air cooled strix 4090

[cunning haven]

but now that y’all saying it, i might return it

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah, you gotta return it if you don't want to waste money

If you can afford waiting a little longer, like a month or two from now

You'll be happy with your purchase

[cunning haven]

Gotcha

And as far as PSU, there’s a new gen dropping for the 4090s correct?

[obsidian wigeon]

They're not a requirement btw

Existing psus still works with them

An A tier 1000w unit should do you good

[cunning haven]

isn’t there something off with the adapters tho?

[obsidian wigeon]

Nah

It only happens in very extreme bend angles

[cunning haven]

Gotcha

Last question and thank you so much for helping me out. RAM wise, what would you recommend for DDR5 32GB

[obsidian wigeon]

Anything not corsair lel

[cunning haven]

LOL

Bad performance?

[obsidian wigeon]

At least 6000 would be a good start with your budget

Bad value for the perf, yeah

[cunning haven]

Gotcha

[obsidian wigeon]

And don't get 4 sticks for ddr5, it can be unstable

[cunning haven]

So I’ve heard

[obsidian wigeon]

Just 2 is the max you need to run

[cunning haven]

Understood

How do you feel about partitioning storage? Like the NVME

[obsidian wigeon]

Assuming your budget is high

You can't go wrong with P41 Platinum

Or S70 Blade

SN850x I heard is also pretty decent

Oh, you meant using partitions on one drive?

If so I'm okay with it, tho I prefer using one drive for one purpose

Like ssd for the stuff I want to be fast, hdd for games and lesser things

[analog hearth]

just use a single whole partition if you're new (unless you're going to use multiple operating systems on the same device, on a single drive)

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[cunning haven]

I wanna get 2 x 2 tb NVME. 1 specifically for gaming the other I want to be able to split OS’s.

1. games
2. Plan to partition for Kali and Windows

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah you can do that if you feel the need to

[cunning haven]

Would it effect performance or increase risk of corruption?

[obsidian wigeon]

Nope

Not at all

[analog hearth]

I would do a 512GB minimum for the OS's and get additional drives for games (that's typically how I do it)

[cunning haven]

That’s why i figured I do 512 GB for kali and windows
The other for a games
And I already have 10TB HD w/wordlists

Tho, i don’t know if that’s efficient since I haven’t really built a PC 😅

[analog hearth]

10TB is a lot lol

it'll store quite a bit of games lmao

[cunning haven]

Them wordlists are huge

No that HD is dedicated to wordlists 😂

One of my lists is 500GB alone

Plan to get a 1TB one as soon as this build is up

[analog hearth]

wait what's a wordlist? :0

[obsidian wigeon]

Something related to hacking

It's a list of words to use in bruteforce

[analog hearth]

ah

ah I see. for password hacking?

haha just scroll through the list. I see

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah

[analog hearth]

dang bruh I wonder how those are built

[obsidian wigeon]

Run a program to do it and boom

[cunning haven]

Yes

[cunning haven]

I study CySec, still noob. Tho it’s a process for sure 😅🥲

Thank you both for your help btw!

[obsidian wigeon]

You're welcome really

Glad that you listened

unlike a few people

[cunning haven]

I try to be a sponge and learn. I’m aware when I don’t know much

I rather sit down take it in

[obsidian wigeon]

We get a lot of fanboys here lmao

Some are amazingly dense

[cunning haven]

Lol

It all depends what you’re trying to do, but I guess I can’t blame someone for being loyal to their brand 😂

It’s their money, but pride don’t mean nothin to me when the company ain’t paying me. Just picking what’s logically the best

[obsidian wigeon]

That's the attitude I wish people would have

Not just something like "I want Intel only, anything else sucks"

And so on

[cunning haven]

Agreed.

[jagged ember]

Intel best for gaming AMD sucks

reee

Intel gpu only no Nvidia or AMD one

[upper oriole]

my friends daughter is looking to get a pc for making clothing. that is 3d rendering task right? if so i need a high core cpu and decent amount of memory?

[reef moss]

I need a good streamer build for like 2.5k anyone help out?

[potent portal]

What are you streaming? I'm assuming you want a capture card

[potent portal]

US?

[weary galleon]

Pretty sure you're looking for a "sewing machine"

Jokes aside, I'd try and get more info about what programs they're using before getting PC components

[upper oriole]

Think they do design for clothes said she need using their mac for it

[little osprey]

Well, is she using Blender or what?

Is this 2D or 3D?

If it's a 2D software she works on, I'd doubt you'd need a great GPU

@cursive wharf, could you possibly help me find a cheaper motherboard with a wifi card again?

I lost the links

[fossil cedar]

for what cpu?

[little osprey]

12100

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/34kWGX/msi-pro-b660m-a-wifi-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b660m-a-wifi-ddr4

[little osprey]

Thanks

Hold up, doesn't this have onboard wifi?

[mossy venture]

Yes

[little osprey]

@fossil cedar, looking for one without wifi actually, I think it'd be cheaper to just buy the board and the wifi card

[mossy venture]

Also considering it's for a 12100, unless you're planning to upgrade to rpl, I'd get a ds3h ax

Oh without wifi, b660m-a, mag bazooka, if you plan to upgrade to rpl. Otherwise, b660m-g or m-p, or pro rs

[little osprey]

No plans for upgrades

[little osprey]

Wait, does the DS3H AX have onboard wifi?

[dim forge]

Bacca

[mossy venture]

Yes

What's up sannis

[little osprey]

Is there a cheaper option without wifi?

[dim forge]

you'd recommend a 12100 over a 12400 and get a better vid card?

[dim forge]

ds3h non ax

[little osprey]

I'm getting a 1070 for free

[mossy venture]

.

Those

[little osprey]

My bad, I didn't read that part

[dim forge]

that 660m-a is very good for entry

[mossy venture]

Same price as ds3h ax tho

[dim forge]

and

[little osprey]

Any of these?

[dim forge]

I think I saw bazoka on discount yesterday on amazon

like 130usd or so

[dim forge]

dis one

[fossil cedar]

usually not

maybe in this case tho

[little osprey]

[dim forge]

the -g version does not have vrm heatsink

pato

are u from a spanish speaking country?

[fossil cedar]

ehh no not for a good wifi card anyway

[little osprey]

Forced to use this

[fossil cedar]

this would work but the ds3h is better vrms anyway

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PF7zW4

[little osprey]

I think it's just gonna be worth paying the extra $6

Screw wifi cards

Well...

A thought did cross my mind

@fossil cedar, what about a 10100 or a 10105?

[potent portal]

Well assuming it's in the US and you want a good capture card, here's what I've got.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XkxXFg
https://www.elgato.com/en/game-capture-4k60-pro

[little osprey]

@potent portal, I require help 😔

Since I'm getting a 1070

And don't plan to upgrade

Would it be worth getting a 11th or 10th generation CPU?

Probably a i3 or an i5

[fossil cedar]

whats your total system budget? near microcenter? used parts okay?

[potent portal]

10th gen would be plenty

[little osprey]

I'd prefer not to use used parts

But if that's what it must be, so be it

Would a 11500 be a good option brand new?

[potent portal]

It would work well with that GPU sure

There's probably better options though

Honestly even a 10400 would be great

Assuming you're trying to save money that is

[little osprey]

Yes

Very correct

However the 10400 is priced the same as a 12100

[fossil cedar]

can you answer he q's lol

[little osprey]

Pardon?

Oh

[fossil cedar]

the rest of theq's

[little osprey]

Uhhh, I'm trying not to go over $600

[fossil cedar]

okay

[little osprey]

Also what's a MicroCenter?

[fossil cedar]

how much is the 1070 youre getting?

https://www.microcenter.com/

[little osprey]

FREE

[fossil cedar]

its a tech retailer

ohhh pog

[little osprey]

Yeah, my teacher is a dope guy

[fossil cedar]

got one oh those near you? ^

[little osprey]

Literally none in the state of Iowa

[fossil cedar]

plus uhh how much do you want to spend then

ah all good

[frank stirrup]

move to other state

problem solved

ur welcome

[visual maple]

hi, I recently took a break from using my pc and now, after a few months, I have started using it again and my CPU is overheating. It will run like 80 degrees on idle and 90-95 on a game, its not a thermal paste issue as I checked. The pump is working because when I feel the tubes they vibrate and I can feel the heat coming out of the fans so I'm not sure why its happening. If anyone could help thatd be great. I have a 3080, 5950x and my cooler is a corsair h100x. Also, for some reason my cooler won't show up in its software and I can't read aio pump speed in bios. Thanks. Any help appreciated.

[little osprey]

I'm probably not gonna get over $200 for my birthday this month, but I'd like to be able to at least afford the CPU or motherboard and some other important stuff

I'd like to get it up and running by the end of the year

[fossil cedar]

can you download hwinfo 64 and run the sensors and check the fan/ pump speeds etc should be in this section except it will be your motherboards name

[frank stirrup]

Stop posting in every channel please

[fossil cedar]

dont bother buying anything til you have enough money for a whole system

[visual maple]

I was just posting it in the relevant channels no? 3 channels bro.

slrry

[frank stirrup]

well choose one, helps keep everyone responding to this updated

[visual maple]

I'm online for like an hour so I just thought that I'd edit/delete the message when I got a response, sorry anyway

[little osprey]

I can't do that 😭

Spending addiction

I need to buy parts one by one

[fossil cedar]

then you might end up with a dead on arrival part and have it sitting there for months

learn how to save or you could be mega screwed

also good life skill

[visual maple]

I am trying this out now thanks

[little osprey]

I don't have a job, if I did then maybe I'd have some money set aside

Well, I work part time

But it's only a few weekends and I don't make that much

$24 at most

For two hours of work

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/need-save-hockey-sieve-rimouski-boat-shark-gif-25022326

[dim forge]

sad but true

[mossy venture]

I'd maybe consider a used cpu and mobo combo then

[little osprey]

I only get money twice a year, it's just one of those things I'm gonna have to put together one by one

I'm only 15 and I'm praying that the grocery store I applied at is gonna call back

So I'm just looking for a budget CPU

[dim forge]

bacca was it you

who recommended the tuf psu?

[little osprey]

Kinda the entire reason I asked about AMD

[fossil cedar]

yeah okay but its better to learn to save, 1 youll need in life, 2 better than literally wasting hundreds of dollars if you get a dead on arrival part and cant test it

[little osprey]

I understand that, but I don't get enough money to put aside for saving

[analog hearth]

I just got a new laptop that charges via USB C as well as a barrel connector. is it harmful to plug both in at the same time?

[little osprey]

I'd just be very thankful if you could help me find a budget CPU that would pair well with a 1070

Preferably an i5

But at this point, anything works

[fossil cedar]

[fossil cedar]

uh i feel it would just probably use one at a time or just split the load unless it specifically doubles the charge speed supported by the manufacturer

[little osprey]

I have to pay for parking at my school and driver's education and other stuff

My parents don't pay for that stuff

[fossil cedar]

okay but how is spending stuff now meaning you dont have it later lol

[little osprey]

Well, I'm trying to split what I actually get

From essentials and stuff I want

[fossil cedar]

also dont you need to be 16 to drive

[little osprey]

In this case, building a PC

[little osprey]

Correct, but it's $400 to take the drivers course here

[analog hearth]

I have a USB C docking station that I really would like to use. I have a 65W USB charger that can plug into it (and a barrel charger, same power output that came with the laptop). the 65W apparently isn’t enough to power the docking station as well as the devices connected to it

[fossil cedar]

still doesnt make sense how you can spend it now but not have it later and still have enough money

[little osprey]

I won't

But right now, building a PC it what I want to do more

I've been on Xbox for over a decade now and it's tiring

Almost a decade

[potent portal]

Depends where you live but you can technically get a license in most states at 14 if you live and drive on a farm primarily, and I know Cali lets you get a permit at 15 1/2 that you hold for 6 months before taking the test at 16 so you can get fully licensed on your 16th birthday.

[fossil cedar]

WHAT

THATS INSANE

[little osprey]

Here in Iowa you can get a permit and drive to work and to school

Which I have

Got it when I was 14

[potent portal]

Iowa is more rural so that sounds similar to the rule here

[fossil cedar]

THATS INSANe

hmm anyway

4500 at 110$ looks ntb thats basically a 3600 right?

i honestly cant remember @potent portal do you?

[little osprey]

Yes, so getting money for drivers education while I'm still in my freshmen year of high school isn't a main concern

That'll start next year

I still have to pay for parking though which is stupid because it's a public school

But again, I'm still here to find a decent CPU for a 1070

[potent portal]

Ryzen 4500? No it's pretty far behind 3600, like 10-15%

[fossil cedar]

oof nvm then

[potent portal]

The 5500 is $116 and that one is basically a 3600

[fossil cedar]

ah yeah gotcha

[little osprey]

So uhhhh

[potent portal]

Maybe even a 3600X

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QHhwsX something like this

[potent portal]

Ah no it's $116 + $14 shipping

[little osprey]

No integrated graphics, but I'll look into it

Thank you though

[potent portal]

If you have the 1070 you don't really need it

It's just a nice-to-have for troubleshooting

[little osprey]

Not currently, no

[reef moss]

Thank you brotha

[dim forge]

👁️ 👁️

[little osprey]

My teacher's wife won't let him buy his new laptop for VR Microsoft Flight Simulator until Christmas

[potent portal]

Well the non-F is only $5 more

[dim forge]

Why don't you wait till end of the year then

you'll have more money + the 1070

[little osprey]

He said I could take anything in his old Alienware Aurora R6, execept the storage

[reef moss]

I'm not sure how to use the liquid freezer haha

[little osprey]

That including a 7th generation i7

But I'd like to have a new CPU

[potent portal]

It's easy, screw it on the front of the case and plug it in. It only needs 2 cables, one for fans and one for RGB.

[reef moss]

Oh it isn't a water cooler?

[dim forge]

So he basically gave you the whole laptop

[little osprey]

Desktop, but yes

He literally said that

But he said he can also do a trade in for the CPU

[potent portal]

It is but it's an AIO, All In One, so there's no filling or maintenance required beyond the usual dusting.

[little osprey]

So I think it'd be best for him to get the money back on his CPU instead of me taking it

[dim forge]

so, you only need a cpu? and not a whole setup?

[reef moss]

Oh sweet

[dim forge]

[reef moss]

Ima add you for when I build it haha

[potent portal]

Sure

[reef moss]

Nevermind you gotta add me

[little osprey]

Well the entire point of what I'm doing here is me wanting to build my own computer, not upgrade a pre-built

[reef moss]

Didn't know you were mod lmao

[fossil cedar]

Then spend the 5$ more for the 10400

Just seemed like you wanted to save as many bucks as possible

[little osprey]

Thank you, but integrated graphics is something of a requirement for me, because games mean everything to me and if my GPU dies, it'll be awhile before I could afford a new one

Thank you thought for considering that

[dim forge]

integrated graphics aren't good for gaming, best scenario they won't run any AAA games you can play on xbox

[little osprey]

Roblox, TF2, CS:GO, War Thunder, and Garry's Mod time to time

I think it can handle that bunch

[fossil cedar]

Then just spend 5$ more for the 10400 non f or something

[little osprey]

I will

[dim forge]

I'd say save till end-year, get whatever your teacher is going to give you, and then make a bugdet.

[little osprey]

But is this much of an upgrade compared to the 12100?

Setting aside the iGPU

[potent portal]

Bookmark this too, the b-stock one I linked in the pcpp build will come with the adapter bracket you need. https://youtu.be/ZLPDPom8eVQ

[dim forge]

the 12100 is better

even tho it's an i3

[little osprey]

Hmmmmm

Well

[dim forge]

well not by much tho

[little osprey]

Is that why they're priced the near same?