building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[willow quest]

So I was hella confused

[cyan ravine]

So you gonna flex it on the front glass?

[willow quest]

You know

[cyan ravine]

Would make for a good reddit post watching people cringe

[runic spruce]

U can kinda do that in the nzxt h210

[willow quest]

I really want to

[runic spruce]

With there ssd slot in the front

[runic spruce]

Don’t do it bro

Not worth it

[cyan ravine]

Haha

I've started a thing

[analog pulsar]

12900KF vs 5950X

[jagged ember]

neither

both are pointless

for your use case

[analog pulsar]

thats not my question

just answer the question and how much % does 12900KF beat ryzen 9 5950X

[jagged ember]

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i9_12900kf-vs-amd_ryzen_9_5950x

[fleet pagoda]

Anyone know why i it says driver update failed when i attempt to update my graphics driver

[cyan ravine]

You could try ddu

[analog pulsar]

are games single core or multi core

[cyan ravine]

!ddu

[still roost]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[cyan ravine]

Hey look it worked

Smh wasn't working last time

[fleet pagoda]

Then will i be able to install the newest version after

[cyan ravine]

Yeah

[stoic island]

Both

Depends on how well optimised they are

[cyan ravine]

What happens is you'll default to a basic vga driver until you install the new one

[analog pulsar]

Oh so it's a win/lose Scenario

[stoic island]

?

[analog pulsar]

Intel good single core and amd good at multi

[desert gulch]

but e cores 👀

[stoic island]

No, Intel and AMD are both good at both, it depends from product to product

[desert gulch]

amd does have some specific productivity stuff its more optimised for

[analog pulsar]

Well I was looking at link sent

[desert gulch]

with 11th gen that was def case

[stoic island]

5800x3d will easily beat 10980xe in single core, and 10980xe will easily beat 5800x3d in multi core

[cyan ravine]

Kenzie why are you looking at pre-builts btw? Didn't you just finance a laptop?

[desert gulch]

where intel has single and amd had multi

[analog pulsar]

Okay brb I'm gunna drive somewhere

[willow quest]

I have a ryzen 9 5900x processor. Should I use both of the 8pins from my PSU?

[stoic island]

You can, it's not 100% necessary but it also doesn't hurt

[desert gulch]

if you want, not needed tho

[willow quest]

Ahh ok

[ornate condor]

isnt 8pin cpu over 300w ?

[stoic island]

Before burning up, yea

[ornate condor]

so I guess only 12900k needs 2x8pin now lol

[stoic island]

Rated for 150w or 200w iirc

At tdp 12900k prob only needs 1

But maybe if Mobo manufacturer did something funky

[ornate condor]

it pulls up to 230w under max load without OC

but over 300w with oc

[stoic island]

Ye that's why I say tdp

It'll just throttle itself tbh at stock

[desert gulch]

12900ks is where you could get over that easier

probs would need ln2

but ks should be a little leakier which may help draw more power

[ornate condor]

I OCing my 12900k to 5.1ghz all cores

[desert gulch]

even the e cores 😳

[ornate condor]

E cores going up to 4ghz

[jagged ember]

of course the e cores need to be the same clock speed

[ornate condor]

idk whats point of ocing E cores but its overclockable lol

[jagged ember]

more power for less power

[cyan ravine]

More multi-core oomph for where that's wanted

If you really want peak gaming tho you use like, 8P HT off

[ornate condor]

E cores mostly taking easy tasks but yeah they ranking up when you render

I OCed my 12900k to 5.3ghz but it's throttling

at 5.1ghz it hits max 85C under max load

[vast bane]

I'm thinking buy a gaming laptop and I am wondering if there are any other laptop that is better than ASUS ROG Strix Scar 17 SE G733CX-XS97 within similar price range

[stoic island]

What price do you see for it

[vast bane]

around 3.5k before tax

and prefer the laptop not being too thick

[stoic island]

The 12950hk 3080ti model, correct?

[vast bane]

yah

[ornate condor]

thick = hot

[vast bane]

hot in what way

good way or temperature way

[ornate condor]

[stoic island]

Temperature

Smol = not much heatsink to dissipate heat

[jagged ember]

big more heatsink

[vast bane]

I need to carry it around so it can't be too thick

[analog pulsar]

Hm

[vast bane]

I think the model I am looking at have an ok heatsink

[analog pulsar]

Lol

[vast bane]

but I am wondering is there any other better model I should look into?

[jagged ember]

Zephyrus G14

[ornate condor]

theres msi one but its for 4k

[vast bane]

I don't like the look of msi

isn't zephyrus less powerful than strix models?

[ornate condor]

I dont like MSI either but GE76 Raider is good

[vast bane]

oh it looks kinda nice

surpised

[ornate condor]

yeah its different

[vast bane]

they have similar specs

is the msi better?

[ornate condor]

maybe by design but nothing special I guess

[vast bane]

ok so mostly just personal taste?

xD

[cyan ravine]

I mean if it were me the best value lies in 3060 laptops imo but you're probably in a use case beyond that, at least I'd like to hope lol

[analog pulsar]

@ornate condor should I buy 12900kf

[ornate condor]

why not lol

[cyan ravine]

.

[analog pulsar]

No comment

[ornate condor]

yeah strix is probably is good one but Zephyrus is better I think

[cyan ravine]

Don't dig the hole deeper for yourself

[jagged ember]

kenzie

just buy it

[desert gulch]

takes loan out of bank

[jagged ember]

why do you even ask for advice

[analog pulsar]

I just wanted to get right cpu

[jagged ember]

it's not like you already have one in your desktop

and one in your laptop

[analog pulsar]

I mean people said Intel is good but maybe amd good too

[jagged ember]

just get a cpu

and use it as a paperweight

[cyan ravine]

Don't you have kids Kenzie? Very hard not to talk you out of it when I know that

[analog pulsar]

Okay I just might take widus advice and get desktop and get small cheap laptop for movies I tried laptop but I habe to be connected to power to play any games just like desktop

[forest briar]

Kenzie you ask for advice then completely ignore it.

[jagged ember]

lmao

[forest briar]

Why do you even bother asking

[jagged ember]

and you thought my advice was bad

[cyan ravine]

Welcome to intel laptops

[analog pulsar]

What the hell no I hate kids and no I'm gay

[jagged ember]

there's no mobile gaming at high resolution

[ornate condor]

right now value of amd and intel is pretty similar. 12900k is great for gaming and it have more single core performance while amd is more workload focused and have better multicore performance and zip/unzip performance

[jagged ember]

at all

[cyan ravine]

In fact, gaming laptops in general

[forest briar]

Gay people have kids too

[cyan ravine]

Oh ok I might be thinking of someone else

[analog pulsar]

I didn't say bad

[forest briar]

Like wth lmao

[cyan ravine]

I didn't mean that in an affronting way Kenzie sorry

[jagged ember]

that's just rude to assume gay people don't have kids

adoption is a thing

a certain nvidia employee we know sure does

[analog pulsar]

I'm not ignoring advice all mr2222 said is Intel is good at some thing and so is amd

[forest briar]

No, you regularly ask for advice and then do whatever it is you’re going to do anyways lol

[analog pulsar]

I'm not assuming anything

[jagged ember]

then why'd you add 'no i'm gay' as reasoning for not having kids?

[analog pulsar]

Okay

[cyan ravine]

But back on topic you're asking for a top of the line pre-built which in 3 huge ways isn't worth it:

1. Pre-builts are more expensive than building from scratch
2. Going flagship (let alone pre-built flagship) is expensive for fractional gains.
3. New flagships will be coming out as soon as the next couple months

[vast bane]

better look?

or better performance

[analog pulsar]

Well to have a baby mom and dad have to..........adoption yes there's that but I thought it was harder to adoption bc you have to fill out lot of paper work and they have to see if you Financial stable

[jagged ember]

?

it's the same for birthing a child

[analog pulsar]

What

[jagged ember]

you need to go through essentially the same paperwork

[willow quest]

Do you guys know where this goes

It was attached to my pump

[forest briar]

CPU fan power

[cyan ravine]

Fan header. It has 4 plugs but that one will also plug in

[analog pulsar]

3. Ik that so should I just wait then

[forest briar]

Usually it’s on the top of the motherboard by your cpu socket

[analog pulsar]

But also won't what we have rn be good enough

[willow quest]

The fan deader is usually at the top UCHS

Header

[cyan ravine]

Waiting at least you can enjoy 2 years of cream of the crop experience

[analog pulsar]

But also mobo z690 I heard will be fine with up to 15th gen

[cyan ravine]

No

13th gen at most

[analog pulsar]

Well floppa told me that

[forest briar]

Just because you heard it on the internet doesn’t mean it’s right.

[cyan ravine]

Idk where that came from but z690 was confirmed for 2 gens

[analog pulsar]

Hm

[forest briar]

Plenty of “know it alls” here are wrong about things

[cyan ravine]

Which is pointless anyway because if you wait, 13th gen will be a dead-ended mobo with z790

[jagged ember]

no no listen i know everything about tech

i heard it all from the internet bro

they never lie

[forest briar]

A dude with a purple name told me bro just trust me

[little osprey]

just like that facebook post I saw that said vaccines cause autism

must be true

saw it on the internet

[jagged ember]

exactly

[analog pulsar]

I'm just saying you guys say to take your advice and atuff but now your saying they are wrong about stuff but whst if they wrong about the "advice" they giving

[jagged ember]

they also say birds are just government drones

[analog pulsar]

They are

[jagged ember]

see

everyone knows that

[analog pulsar]

Look into a birds eye it will be a camera

[cyan ravine]

Experience?

[jagged ember]

the point i think is that you need more than one source of information

[analog pulsar]

True

[forest briar]

It would also greatly help you to actually research what it is you’re asking.

[jagged ember]

'more than one source'

[forest briar]

Rather than relying on some dweebs in a discord to tell you what’s what

[jagged ember]

that's why people make documentation

[forest briar]

^

[jagged ember]

and write guides, and manuals

aint nobody gonna help people who ask the same damn questions every day

it gets tiring

really tedious

[forest briar]

It’s like that Alienware craptop you bought

You had every source available ti tell you it wasn’t a wise purchase

[jagged ember]

that's what FAQs exist

[forest briar]

But you did it anyways

[analog pulsar]

Well I might be buying a r13 anyway

[jagged ember]

lol

more alienware

[forest briar]

Case and point.

[little osprey]

💀

[jagged ember]

you buying it on 29% interest credit?

[forest briar]

You really have no business asking anyone here for advice to be truthful

But it’s an open server so whatever

[analog pulsar]

I looked at youtube videos only person to make temp issues is gamer nexus but if just gaming temps don't go that high they are like 60-70C

[forest briar]

Actual documentation with quantitative reasoning > some beard on YouTube

[analog pulsar]

Like I said I have a year to pay it off and they don't add interest until 1 year later

[analog pulsar]

Like dell is gunna say there products overheat on document

So youtube best we can get with the reviews people.do

[forest briar]

It’s a cool thing we live in the Information Age where you can find various sources.

[jagged ember]

lmao

[cyan ravine]

I got a friend on an alienware and that thing has died more times than I can count

[jagged ember]

gamers nexus says its thermally bad but they must be wrong

its a valid damn source of information

[cyan ravine]

One point he did 4 RMA requests in a row

[forest briar]

Kenzies Alienware came out of the box crap (as everyone predicted)

Yet Kenzie is trying to buy another one

[cyan ravine]

Lol why ask us then as if expecting a better answer

It's not coming

[vast bane]

better look or better performance? lol

[forest briar]

when I put my hand on a hot object I pull it away because it’s hot and it hurts

[jagged ember]

really does kinda seem like

[analog pulsar]

Im not saying he wrong but he is also benching it for other stuff that most gamers don't do like he was testing how much wattage is pulled bur gaming pulls like 45W

[forest briar]

How dumb would I look to put my hand back on the object

[jagged ember]

you're just going to get the r13 anyways

so just like

do it

why do you ask us

[little osprey]

Gamers nexus is extremely reliable especially when it comes to temperatures

[analog pulsar]

I asked about what cpu to get

[jagged ember]

you also mentioned you were getting the r13

[forest briar]

“I need validation for every purchase I make no matter how stupid, let’s post it on discord and be upset because I didn’t get the attention I wanted.”

[cyan ravine]

If you would humour my suggestion, Gigabyte A5 K1 or Asus tuf gaming A15 for something strong but also not way too powerful for itself

[analog pulsar]

Well I hide it until now

[jagged ember]

because you knew we would say, validly, that alienware makes bad products

[cyan ravine]

I don't look at best of the best lappys because often they can't use their full power

[jagged ember]

something that many people have already experienced

[analog pulsar]

Yea that's why I don't mention it

[forest briar]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[jagged ember]

and something that gamers nexus has also empirically shown

[forest briar]

Kenzie when it comes out of the box crap

[jagged ember]

again, if you aren't going to listen to overwhelming advice pointing to a conclusion you can't accept

why ask

[analog pulsar]

Like I said I'll look at youtube and reviews

[jagged ember]

like i'm genuinely curious

[analog pulsar]

I'm not asking if I should buy a R13 I asked what cpu I should get that's all

[jagged ember]

oh, you weren't serious about the r13?

[analog pulsar]

Brb I need to drive home

[jagged ember]

confusing

[forest briar]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-13134027

[little osprey]

Like mentioning to a mechanic that your car "is randomly making weird noises" without mentioning you'd previously rammed it into a tree

[analog pulsar]

I gotta go home rn

[analog pulsar]

That's not the same thing

[jagged ember]

man, my side mirror isn't working

[forest briar]

(It is. It’s exactly the same)

[jagged ember]

because it got ripped off in a car crash

[analog pulsar]

[jagged ember]

but we don't talk about that

insurance will cover for that, don't worry

[forest briar]

Guys I’m buying a four cylinder Camaro which engine should I get

[mossy venture]

Yes

[forest briar]

[runic spruce]

V8

👌

[strong raft]

427

[little osprey]

one that works

[forest briar]

Ok but guys I’m already buying the 4 cylinder ok

[cyan ravine]

V4+4

[forest briar]

Thanks for the advice I’m going to ignore it

[runic spruce]

Gonna go on 8 gear in the highways almost red lining

[forest briar]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-running-me-when-im-late-tom-hanks-gif-5144739

[jagged ember]

gotta use the whole speedometer

i bought it bro

it's mine

why do i have to use it for what the manufacturer intented

[runic spruce]

Which year out of curiosity ?

[forest briar]

https://tenor.com/view/sid-seixeiro-tim-and-sid-hockey-nhl-the-joke-gif-18435131

It’s just a prank bro

[jagged ember]

1969

[runic spruce]

I’m calling the police for battery and harassment

[jagged ember]

the best year

everyone knows this to be true

totally nothing bad happened upon this year

[forest briar]

I’ll ignore the cylinder rod being sent to the moon at Mach 1 and say you’re right

Will also ignore the suspicious hole in the hood

[jagged ember]

no we fixed that by closing the hood

[eager vessel]

Anyone have a good recommendation for great 2.1 PC speakers, I know it is kinda off topic - I was thinking of Klipsch Promedia Heritage 2.1?

I dont have the space/area money for a full surround in the PC room

[analog pulsar]

@jagged ember okay then there XPS is cheaper then there r13 ut there's no RGB and from what I seen 3090 was at 72C while gaming

from what i can tell is air is feed to gpu from front and side of the case only sad thing is no RGB

[cyan ravine]

The towers are even worse than the laptops

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/RJZbomP.jpeg

[jagged ember]

the laptops are not bad

oh, god

it needs a side intake

what is this, the early 2000s?

[analog pulsar]

It's fine

Side intake best intake

[jagged ember]

well yeah it's the equivalent of drilling a hole in the side panel

[analog pulsar]

Hehe

[jagged ember]

or just not having it on at all

[analog pulsar]

I mean that's what they probs did

[jagged ember]

but why not just look at abs prebuilts

on newegg

those are generally decent

[analog pulsar]

Well bc I don't have 2.5k in hand but I do have it in credit line via Dell and ik abs is good If I had money in cash I would buy abs bc there's also upgradability with them but I feel like I can get i9 pc and maybe get 4090 and just put it in pc or something

[jagged ember]

kenzie

remember what we said about buying computers on credit

[analog pulsar]

And with all stuff I have to pay for saving up for a pc would take me months

[jagged ember]

or anything that isn't necessity on credit?

"don't do it"

[analog pulsar]

Yea but like I said the APR doesn't start until next year I can pay it off

[jagged ember]

if for any reason, you don't pay it off before next year

[analog pulsar]

Like foxy said if I can pay it off that's good too

[jagged ember]

i.e you get fired, you get sick for a while

you are gonna need to return it

and there's no point in getting it on credit when you could just save up for it later

is there a sale right now?

[analog pulsar]

I understand we can't see the future but I'm sure I can pay it off

[jagged ember]

you literally did say the caveat

you can't see the future

[analog pulsar]

I mean I'm sure im.not gunna get fired from my job

[jagged ember]

whatever you need to tell yourself to buy non-necessities on credit

which is just a bad idea

but go for it

[analog pulsar]

It's like very hard to get fired from fedex you either have to sexual harass or swear at a manager

[jagged ember]

not like anyone here can stop you anyways

[drowsy zodiac]

is the 1650 super enough for 1080p gaming??

[stoic island]

Price wise 1650 supers aren't the best but they're okay for 1080p gaming. Definitely worth going for smth more like 6600 if budget allows though

[analog pulsar]

okay is it possble to build a 6900xt/3090 system for $1700

[stoic island]

Yes

[drowsy zodiac]

budgets honestly pretty tight but i’m just waiting to see a good deal honestly

on a gpu

[stoic island]

6900xt, easily, 3090, w b stock deals or similar yea

[willow quest]

It’s a bit uneven. Is that ok? I made sure it was pressed in.

[stoic island]

I'd take both out and try to put in both at once

[analog pulsar]

well a 12900/6900xt pc on dell is 2.5k rn

[stoic island]

Left side doesn't look plugged in from this angle

[analog pulsar]

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/pdp/spd/xps-8950-desktop/xd8950adl30h?cartitemid=c12fae63-3bb9-44bf-b311-a5e98b6370c6&ref=cartconfigedit&configurationid=209736d0-9320-4267-aa72-ead06ac006a5

[drowsy zodiac]

i’m looking at this asus 2060 oc for 460$ (cad) after taxes

[cyan ravine]

Ew wtf

2.5??

[stoic island]

You can prob do that for 1700$ lol

[analog pulsar]

yea giver take

[willow quest]

Both at once is gonna be tuff LOL

[cyan ravine]

That's at least a $900 profit for them

[jagged ember]

460 for a 1650s?

Jesus christ

[analog pulsar]

okay ill open PCPARTPICKER

[drowsy zodiac]

2060

[jagged ember]

is that memoryexpress

[stoic island]

6600 costs about that much lol

[jagged ember]

oh, whoops

still

[stoic island]

6600 performs more like a 3060

[jagged ember]

yeah 6600 is the same

[drowsy zodiac]

the ones i find are 500$ plus tax i had one for a good price today but i’m just going to wait it out for a good deal honestly before pulling the trigger

[stoic island]

It's like 400cad before taxes

[drowsy zodiac]

i’ll come here before i make the purchase and see what you guys think

[stoic island]

https://www.vuugo.com/sapphire-video-cards-11310-01-20G.html

[drowsy zodiac]

bruh

[stoic island]

@drowsy zodiac 400cad before tax 6600

[drowsy zodiac]

how do you find these

[stoic island]

Pcpp

Lol

[jagged ember]

boom

[drowsy zodiac]

i look to but i can never find nothing lol

[stoic island]

Pcpp doesn't even have that good coverage

[analog pulsar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YfvdnQ/gigabyte-radeon-rx-6900-xt-16-gb-gaming-oc-video-card-gv-r69xtgamingoc16gd btw $749 promo $-50 but tax $+45 so $744 for this gpu for me

[stoic island]

I literally typed 6600 and clicked sort by cheapest

Second option

[drowsy zodiac]

oh see i don’t press the cheapest option

[analog pulsar]

whats diffrence from Lian Li pc dynamic o11 vs Lian Li dynamic EVO 011

[cyan ravine]

Both are too expensive if you want to stay under 1600-1700

[analog pulsar]

well hmmm

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qNQV2m would I need to lower CPU to fit everything in budget

just cpu and gpu and aio alone its 1.4k

[willow quest]

I tried putting both in at once and they’re still a bit uneven

Is that negligible?

[stoic island]

Looks better now

[stoic island]

why do you even need a 12900

[forest briar]

To play factorio and watch movies with his mom

[analog pulsar]

probs not i'll just be gaming but would be nice to have extra cpu power for games that are cpu hogs like "teardown" 👀

[stoic island]

12700 would be more than enough

[pale shore]

I5 is ok too

[forest briar]

I’ve never come close to using even most of my 12700k’s power offering.

[pale shore]

What are the fans in build pics last pic

[cyan ravine]

@analog pulsar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tXPsVw

[analog pulsar]

ill get F bc 12700F is 331 vs 12700 $363

[pale shore]

Yo I got all my parts

But I don’t like fans

So I’m looking for new ones

[stoic island]

@analog pulsar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q4nn9r

[cyan ravine]

I don't remember which you got

[stoic island]

oh hey basically same list

[pale shore]

@cyan ravine artic p12s

[cyan ravine]

Eh those are good tho

[pale shore]

But the look

[cyan ravine]

I'm a big simp for them they're quiet

[pale shore]

Is what matters

[pale shore]

Lol

[cyan ravine]

Ehhh

[stoic island]

(not when they squeal at you)

[pale shore]

What are these fans

[cyan ravine]

P12 argb then

[cyan ravine]

Expensive af

Like $100 for 3

[analog pulsar]

would trying to add RGB make itr more expensive

[pale shore]

Ok cancel those lmao

[stoic island]

always

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[forest briar]

I’m debating still if I want to go vertical with my 3080

[pale shore]

But what are those for the future

[cyan ravine]

Imo they're not great, for looks only, performance will be terrible

[analog pulsar]

okay

[cyan ravine]

But they're lian li unifans

SL120 infinity

[pale shore]

Ooooo

They daisy chain right

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[pale shore]

I’ve been working on my pc knowledge

[cyan ravine]

[stoic island]

there's a p12 variant that's daisy chain

the pwm pst one

[willow quest]

Where does this go? It comes from my fan hub

[forest briar]

USB header

[cyan ravine]

If I made him a list I would've recommended the pst ones

[pale shore]

But you know what imma kept p12s

[stoic island]

kinda looks like sata

[jagged ember]

i think that looks like a sata power

[forest briar]

[pale shore]

Gonna start tomorrow

[forest briar]

Should’ve waited for the entire pic to load huh

[stoic island]

lol

[willow quest]

There’s 3 ports LOL. Which one

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/Jo6eyMz.png @stoic island would it be dumb to get AIO gpu

[stoic island]

any of them

[jagged ember]

any one is fine yeah

[stoic island]

its expensive

[jagged ember]

just one that works best for cable mangement

[jagged ember]

why

[stoic island]

also prob want case that does top mount 360mm but yea

expensive

[analog pulsar]

well ik o11 has bottom or side intake

[stoic island]

smh

o11 sad

[analog pulsar]

lol

[stoic island]

its just sad now

[analog pulsar]

hows lian Li MESH iii

[cyan ravine]

iain ii

[stoic island]

expensive but decent

[analog pulsar]

any cheap cases that can support 2 aios with mesh front panel

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pqzhP6/phanteks-eclipse-g360a-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec360atg_dbk02 what about this

[cyan ravine]

G360a is really good

[stoic island]

p500a

[cyan ravine]

Did you look at 2222's list

[weary galleon]

i dunno about 2x 360mm but lots can do 1x 360 and 1x 240/280

[analog pulsar]

thats were i pulled it

[stoic island]

oh yea

ig g360a added 360mm top mount

[cyan ravine]

280 top 360 front

[forest briar]

P500a is 1337

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/kAmXRFm.png

[forest briar]

I love my p500a

[cyan ravine]

P500a expensive

[forest briar]

So worth it though

Looks so good and airflow is silk

[cyan ravine]

Considering 12700F you don't need that much case

You could do mid tower easily

[analog pulsar]

well i want cpu aio too

[cyan ravine]

And g360a can do that

[stoic island]

bit tight if you do 360mm top for g360a

but yea

[cyan ravine]

Hey I ranked up finally

[stoic island]

although dunno if it'll fit both front and top mount

[cyan ravine]

It won't do 2x360 in g360, but 360 and 280? I believe so

[analog pulsar]

well fronmt doesnt have aio supporty it looks like

[stoic island]

yes it does

[cyan ravine]

Then just do g360a

It's covered in rgb

You like that

[stoic island]

i took the screenshot of the part for gpu for demonstration

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[analog pulsar]

oh

[forest briar]

(120mm + 120mm + 120mm = 360mm)

(Quick mafs)

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/lanO3xV.png

@stoic island https://i.imgur.com/JN3TOix.png

[forest briar]

The gpu you shared doesn’t have a 360mm radiator :p

[jagged ember]

why would you want dual aio

[forest briar]

Wait yes it does nvm

[analog pulsar]

well cheaper then water cooling and less risk

[jagged ember]

wh

what?

[forest briar]

At

[jagged ember]

i

my brain

[analog pulsar]

well matnence

[forest briar]

Wideus do you need the bag

[jagged ember]

aio is water cooling?

[analog pulsar]

i mean if you get trust worthy brand the aio wont leak

[jagged ember]

i

you

i need the bag

[analog pulsar]

well i mean it can leak from shipping damage but

[jagged ember]

give me the bag

[analog pulsar]

but i heard MSI had pipe issues but arctic is good

[forest briar]

https://tenor.com/view/big-bang-theory-sheldon-cooper-gif-5960461

[stoic island]

bruh

[analog pulsar]

what the "bag"

[worn wave]

pipe issues

[desert gulch]

i mean yeah hes right

some earlier 240r and 360r has sediment issues

[worn wave]

pipe issues lol

[desert gulch]

but calling the tubes a pipe is... funny

[analog pulsar]

[jagged ember]

thank you

i'm not upset about having to install whatsapp from microsoft store

[cyan ravine]

Callin mah case a box

[jagged ember]

NOT UPSET

[cyan ravine]

CPU a processor

[analog pulsar]

i mean people do

[cyan ravine]

GPU a graphic machine

RAM mah cache

[jagged ember]

da computer cache

[cyan ravine]

I have a 'pooter

• chews tobacco *

[analog pulsar]

omg

[jagged ember]

yeah, i got a pooter

[analog pulsar]

all of you are done

https://tenor.com/view/ryndean-kathryndean-music-singer-you-are-done-gif-25212322

[analog pulsar]

#build-pics your pc

https://i.imgur.com/px4CBGR.png well iof i go AIO ill have to reaggust my budget

[willow quest]

Hey I’m gonna ask again just to make sure. My cpu is fine with just one 8 pin installed right? I have a ryzen 9 5900x (12 cores)

[forest briar]

Pretty sure?

If you have have two 8pins and two cables, put both

doesn’t hurt the cpu or mobo

[undone saddle]

Ordered this because forgot cant use since i have fans down

Lol

[strong raft]

1 of those is good for basically 300w btw. (that's why EPS aka the 4+4 pin is so awesome)

[willow quest]

Sheesh ok. I’m not gonna do any overclocking since my stock stats are really good

Also my computer case does not come with any 1 pin LED switches. Is that normal?

It comes with these

[jagged ember]

are you sure any of those are for LEDs?

[stoic island]

uh wdym 1 pin led switches

If you're talking about stuff like HDD light and power on sometimes the case just has them in a cluster

[willow quest]

Like the front panel ones

I checked and these were the ones in a cluster

[jagged ember]

only the audio one is for front panel

the other one looks like usb2.0

there's sata power and usb3

and one that I don't recognize

[stoic island]

From top to bottom it's USB 3.0 USB 3.1 gen 2 and USB 2.0

[jagged ember]

oh, it's 3.1 gen 2

[stoic island]

Yea the usb-c connector

[jagged ember]

wack

[stoic island]

3.1 or 3.2 gen 2

It's different from the normal USB 3.0 connector

Which is also usually blue for some reason dunno why not here

[willow quest]

So does that one power the front switches

[stoic island]

No, just front usb

What case is it?

[jagged ember]

none of those power the front leds or switches

[willow quest]

4000x

[jagged ember]

yeah, which case?

[stoic island]

I hate Corsair documentation

It should have separate small connectors for front panel

Maybe they're under the cable bar thing

Or maybe Corsair stuffed them in a drive cage

[willow quest]

Ok I made sure to look in the drive cage and the wires that were in there are the ones I sent a pic of

What’s the cable bar thing

[stoic island]

Corsair thing in the back

[little osprey]

Check this out on @Newegg: ARCTIC COOLING MX 4 20g ACTCP00001B Thermal Compound for All Coolers https://www.newegg.com/arctic-cooling-actcp00001b/p/N82E16835186227?Item=9SIA4YU92H6052&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIA4YU92H6052-_-07312022

This best long term?

Or whats best long term thermal paste

[cyan ravine]

It's decent

Best long term isn't something you'd find a simple answer for

[stoic island]

Technically best long term is probably one of those pads

But mx 4 pretty good for a while

[undone saddle]

The one that comes with aio is good enough?

Thermal paste

[cyan ravine]

Sure

[undone saddle]

How about this

[cyan ravine]

Pretty sure xtm is meh

But it's still fine

[little osprey]

Pads?

[undone saddle]

This one 11k reviews

[forest briar]

Mx4 is very good

[undone saddle]

Cool will get that im sure free with aio isnt optimal

[stoic island]

Graphene thermal pads, a bit worse than traditional paste in general, but technically lasts forever

[little osprey]

Is that the thing that comes pre applied under thermal paste on coolers?

[jagged ember]

nope, that's still paste

thermal pads you need to buy separately

[little osprey]

So its not some kinda plastic under it when on coolers?

Under thermal paste

[jagged ember]

the cooler has paste preapplied

which is protected by the plastic bit

[stoic island]

Plastic will not help temps just a btw, graphene pads are more of an obscure thing

[little osprey]

Is it safe to keep it on there when putting on the cooler or no?

[stoic island]

Please don't leave the plastic on it'll hurt performance

[little osprey]

Oh ok

[forest briar]

It unless you like the smell of burning plastic that is

[little osprey]

😂

[jagged ember]

yummy burnt plastic

good taste

[little osprey]

No u

[jagged ember]

thanks

but i'm too wide to eat

[potent portal]

Most commercially available thermal paste of any reasonable quality is designed to last at least 5 years.

If you need to go more than 5 years between paste changes, like in a server, that's when you need the graphene pads.

[little osprey]

The XTM the guy sent good?

Also self spread or manual

[stoic island]

Xtm... The Corsair paste?

[little osprey]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

Mehhhhh

[little osprey]

Like when I press cooler down self spread or manually spread

I want a self spread

[cyan ravine]

Why no to manual spread?

[little osprey]

Cause its too tedious imo

[cyan ravine]

Just do dots and cross if you don't want to

[little osprey]

I dont have stuff to throw out

So

[stoic island]

Wait

[cyan ravine]

Don't need to throw anything out lol

[little osprey]

Well its toxic if I dont and my dog gets it

[cyan ravine]

Put it in a drawer

Or a cabinet

[stoic island]

@little osprey what we usually consider "manual" is a quick pattern and letting it spread

[little osprey]

Oh

[stoic island]

Like X pattern is doing 2 lines and just putting the cooler on

[little osprey]

How much are the pads btw

[stoic island]

Dunno, thermal paste more applicable usually

[cyan ravine]

Thermal paste will perform a lot better as well

[potent portal]

Graphene pads are only good for 2 use cases:
Servers that need a decade of continuous runtime
Bench boards where you're constantly changing components

[willow quest]

I’m not going to use the fan hub that was included with the case. Should I still plug this in?

[stoic island]

If it only connects to the fan hub and you don't need the fan hub, the no, don't need it

[willow quest]

If I want to plug it in for cable management, would that mess with anything?

[stoic island]

..?

If you don't need it just unplug it from both ends

And take the hub out

[willow quest]

Right

Ty

[willow quest]

What cable is this

[potent portal]

It's for the USB C

[willow quest]

Damn I can’t find the port on my mobo

[potent portal]

Goes into a "type E" header I believe it's called

Not all boards have it

The good news is adapters are cheap if you don't

What motherboard is it?

[willow quest]

B550 f

Asus

[strong raft]

nope, this is where it'll be.

[willow quest]

Damn ok

It’s k though

Don’t really need it

Almost done with the build 😊

[potent portal]

Asus specs say it has the header and then it's just missing in the manual

[stoic island]

Usually listed as 3.1 gen 2 or 3.2 gen 2 internal header in manuals

[potent portal]

If you do end up needing it and your one USB 3.1 header is taken you can get a PCIe adapter for around $15

[stoic island]

USB is just wack

Because that header is different from the 3.0/3.1/3.2 gen 1 headers

I don't even know what to call it

19 pin header?

[potent portal]

I love how Asus markets this board too.
"offers a feature-set usually found in the higher-end ROG Strix"

First of all, at $200 this is closer to the high end.
Second, it's missing so many things I'd want, like that header.

[stoic island]

There's also the strix z690-a which buildzoid said something along the lines of "there's nothing strix about this board"

[potent portal]

Damn, Asus really dropped the ball on midrange I guess

[stoic island]

MSI op

[potent portal]

Especially on Intel rn

[strong raft]

dropped ball on AM4 midrange, meanwhile the z590 strix was pretty well setup. Says ddr 5333+ 🤣

[obsidian wigeon]

sure with a good bin

[potent portal]

Or just with this kit https://pcpartpicker.com/product/stD7YJ/kingston-fury-renegade-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-5333-cl20-memory-kf453c20rbk216

[obsidian wigeon]

but the imc in cpu tho

definitely needs gear 2 or higher

[potent portal]

Well yeah probably not even at CR1 too

But the point is the board can handle it for that spec

[obsidian wigeon]

tru

[runic spruce]

🧢

Idk bout the z590

But my asus z490e was crap at going pass 4000

[obsidian wigeon]

it actually could

and that's a very different board

can't compare

[runic spruce]

True

[strong raft]

Indeed I'm gonna say that's also partly a skill issue. Plus, cpu/imc is a moderate factor in the whole deal. Listing 5333+ or not, that'll be somewhat challenging either way.

[runic spruce]

The board was just crap I think

The memory controller n stuff was fine

And I was overclocking rev e

A pretty decent bin to

[strong raft]

Yea rev E can often go 4400+. Heck they've got xmp 5100c19 kits after all.

[runic spruce]

I didn’t touch the vppddr tho, could’ve played an issue idk tho

[earnest olive]

we're crapping on asus boards and I wasn't invited???

still hate that tuf b550-plus

[desert gulch]

HEY HEY HEY EVERYONE SHUT UP

[runic spruce]

I posted at 4400 with cl21 1.5v, the ram could run cl 18 20 20 38 4000 1.35v

[fiery sable]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J3Yrqm what y’all think? Anything I should change to get a better deal for the same amount of performance

[earnest olive]

4400c21 is not very ambitious for rev. e

[desert gulch]

almost everything

[runic spruce]

Ik

The board didn’t want to pass 4000

[earnest olive]

got 4800c16 bench stable at 1.6

on a $90 board

[runic spruce]

2 dimm I’d assume

[desert gulch]

the board the funtins almost totaled?

[earnest olive]

yes

no

lol ddr3-4800

[runic spruce]

Oh

[desert gulch]

oh that was a ddr3 board?

[earnest olive]

yeah

z87 bro

[desert gulch]

xD

i didnt remember which one it was

[earnest olive]

best my 4770k and ddr3 can do is 2400c10 @ 1.65

[runic spruce]

Does vppddr matter overclocking ram fast?

[earnest olive]

someone at the asus meet was benching ddr3 at 3600c13 lol

paired with a cpu I've never heard of

fx-6330

[runic spruce]

Fx is old

[potent portal]

FX is still the holder of most frequency records if I'm not mistaken

[earnest olive]

fx-6330 is an oem only sku

[runic spruce]

Didn’t reach like 9ghz or something

[potent portal]

Last I checked you could get 8 ghz easy on LN2

[quick meteor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kzwV2m

Friend is building a pc

[desert gulch]

3 240hz monitors? 👀

[obsidian wigeon]

odd choice

[runic spruce]

Your friend is balling lol

[desert gulch]

makes like 0 sense

[runic spruce]

Change the gpu tho

[obsidian wigeon]

12900f is stupid

imo

12700f is more than enough

[runic spruce]

I’d change the z690

[obsidian wigeon]

unless you need those extra cores

[runic spruce]

For a non k

[obsidian wigeon]

z690 is also pointless for non k

[potent portal]

World record https://hwbot.org/submission/2615355_the_stilt_cpu_frequency_fx_8370_8722.78_mhz

[quick meteor]

Monitors are just a base line sort of thing. He isn’t getting 3 240hz just getting an idea he said

[desert gulch]

but intel said wed hit 10ghz at 1v by like 2013

[quick meteor]

He’s using it for gaming, modding, editing, storing files, a bunch of stuff

[obsidian wigeon]

everything looks like a mess tbh

psu is overkill

[runic spruce]

Yea till they found more core better

[earnest olive]

I still don't understand when people say 60hz is unusable on second and third monitors

[obsidian wigeon]

yes but like 12700f is plenty for that ngl

gpu will do the heavy lifting anyway

[fiery sable]

I play on a 60hz monitor rn

[obsidian wigeon]

ram is

[earnest olive]

I can't tell the difference between 60hz and 240hz for web browsing and simple stuff like that

[obsidian wigeon]

could be unstable

cause it's 2 stick kits paired together

[earnest olive]

oh jeez

I gotta look at this list

I just got home

[obsidian wigeon]

it's a whole mess, i can assure ya lol

[runic spruce]

That’s mainly overclocking tho

[earnest olive]

sounds like a slight disaster

[runic spruce]

Exp is fine

[obsidian wigeon]

not overclocking

it can be unstable even at xmp

cause 2 stick kits are tested in the configuration they come in

[earnest olive]

oh

[obsidian wigeon]

no guarantee

[earnest olive]

i misread as two different kits of ram

lmao

[quick meteor]

Someone’s also gotta go help me in general 💀

[obsidian wigeon]

it's two 2 stick kits paired together

[earnest olive]

anyways, i'd stick to ddr4-3200 if you're gonna run 32gb on a non-k cpu

[potent portal]

My b-die and c-die kits won't even post at jedec 2333

[obsidian wigeon]

just to fill the ram slot

[earnest olive]

non-k cpus have locked vccsa, unsure if you can do 3600 gear 1 with auto vccsa

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[obsidian wigeon]

oof

[runic spruce]

The build is fine bro just change the gpu cpu motherboard and monitors

[earnest olive]

"the build is fine just change most of the build"

lol

[quick meteor]

Lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

aka it's not good

im too busy to change stuff rn

so i'll just watch

[earnest olive]

more than that needs changing

[desert gulch]

you forgot the ram, psu, fans, case. cooler

[obsidian wigeon]

lolol

[runic spruce]

I just looked at the psu

[obsidian wigeon]

it's a small disaster

[runic spruce]

That’s overkill

[obsidian wigeon]

that needs everything changed

[earnest olive]

inb4 he says the f word

futureproof psu

[obsidian wigeon]

tfw atx 3.0 psus coming

[desert gulch]

we'll see how thats implemented

it all depends on the gpu manu's

[potent portal]

Should have at least one within a week or 2

[runic spruce]

I just looked at the entire list

Was just eating a cookie

Glories mice r overrated

You’ll need a fan hub for all those fans

The gpu is a bad choice

The cpu is a bad choice

[obsidian wigeon]

another normal newegg day

where a build is full of bad choices

[potent portal]

We need to update the Newegg bingo

[runic spruce]

The ram is alright it’s for looks

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

[runic spruce]

Ig

The difference between 144 and 244 isn’t noticeable and you’ll probably won’t even reach 244

Unless u have dlss or low settings

I’ll just change the list @quick meteor

[earnest olive]

on it

[quick meteor]

Lmfao ok. Make sure to include 1 240hz monitor though. And 2 other randoms

[runic spruce]

Btw does your friend really need an i9

[quick meteor]

I think he wants one

[runic spruce]

So wants

I’ll pick an overpriced white mobo bc it’s white

[quick meteor]

Idk what he’s all planning on using it for entirely

He might or might not

[potent portal]

Getting the i9 just because is a bad idea because that thing runs so hot it actually heats up the GPU and RAM

[midnight pelican]

Just spray paint a black one

[potent portal]

Not to mention the motherboard VRM required

[obsidian wigeon]

vrms be toasty

[willow quest]

LESS GO IT WORKS

THE PC WORKS

AHAHAHA

There’s a slight problem though

I got too ahead of myself and booted it up without the OS boot drive and this showed up

[quick meteor]

Oh no

[runic spruce]

@quick meteor https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9nzMMb

[runic spruce]

I only changed some of the pc parts

Not the monitors n stuff

Your friend will also need fan hubs for all those fans

[quick meteor]

I send him the thing

[potent portal]

Y

[quick meteor]

He might not know why

[potent portal]

No I mean press Y

[runic spruce]

He could go nividia tho with a 3080 bstock for like 650

[quick meteor]

Jesus Christ

I’m going to sleep

Ty @runic spruce

[willow quest]

I don’t have my boot drive in. I’m installing the OS right now onto a flash drive. Once it’s done can I just plug it in and hit Y?

[runic spruce]

Np, your friend could save a couple bucks tho if he didn’t go for looks

[potent portal]

Hit Y now so it resets the keys, then you can install windows

[willow quest]

So after should I just force shut down computer or what

[potent portal]

It'll give you a missing boot device error and you can just press the power button

Then put in the USB with windows installer

[earnest olive]

man, it's hard to update this while keeping all of the alignments intact lol

[potent portal]

Do you have anything plugged into the CPU fan header?

[willow quest]

That’s the one at the top right?

I have a 3 pin plugged in

It was normally a four pin one but someone said it would work

So I just plugged it in

[potent portal]

Hmm it's giving an error, is the fan spinning?

3 pin fan works on the 4 pin header yes

[willow quest]

It’s an AIO

all of the fans in my case are spinning

[potent portal]

Eh, you can probably ignore the fan error then if the fans and pump are working

[earnest olive]

now i'm remembering how difficult the original bingo was to make

[willow quest]

Ok

So what should I do about this screen?

[runic spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/589689072692494356/868732579912753162/Build_Chat_Bingo.png

[earnest olive]

there is a bios option to disable it i think

the cpu fan warning

[potent portal]

Shut it off and put in the USB installer, then turn it back on

[willow quest]

Ok sounds good

Thanks

[earnest olive]

yes, you don't have to show me what i made lol

[willow quest]

Also the tubes of my AIO are right on top of my GPU

is that fine?

[potent portal]

Speaking of, alignment usually has one per axis, so one axis is lawful-chaotic and the other is good-evil

[earnest olive]

yes

[runic spruce]

U should make an updated one lol

[earnest olive]

sure, but that's way too hard to integrate into a bingo board

[earnest olive]

i am literally making one right now

[runic spruce]

Yea unless your backplate is a 3090 fe with no repad

[earnest olive]

bingo board is 5x5 so you gotta put the 9 along with it and then one more space

[cyan ravine]

Tmw you try the bingo and you get an arrow shape

[willow quest]

?

[earnest olive]

it's the best i could do

[potent portal]

Even then it's fine, that's a sleeved tube full of liquid. It won't get hot enough to damage anything.

[earnest olive]

repad makes backplate hotter lol

when my 3090 was hitting 112c out of the box the backplate was ice cold

turns out it doesn't get hot if no heat is getting transferred into it

[potent portal]

Don't worry about it, doesn't apply to you

[runic spruce]

True but it made the glass and like the back of it with dp ports n stuff feel like a toaster

[earnest olive]

that's just not how physics works lol

if the heat is getting trapped in the vram it's not going to heat up anything else more somehow

[runic spruce]

That what happened to me bro

Felt like a toaster

[potent portal]

Yeah that extra heat is from the core, it's basically a hybrid blower fan design

[obsidian wigeon]

sn550 is love

i wish i can just get the victus rn, gah

[runic spruce]

Putting my hand on it would hurt from the heat

[earnest olive]

i had to change the sn550

[obsidian wigeon]

sale ending soon too

[earnest olive]

it's mp33 now

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

mp33 is the new sn550

shame it's not available in thailand

but sn550 is okay enough

[runic spruce]

Does mp33 have dram in it

[obsidian wigeon]

no

[potent portal]

No, doesn't need it

[obsidian wigeon]

dram doesn't make an ssd bad tho

[earnest olive]

it has HMB

good enough

[obsidian wigeon]

hmb is good enough

same for sn550

[potent portal]

It's just for metadata storage anyway

[runic spruce]

Just curious since of the price

[earnest olive]

outperforms a lot of cheap dram nvmes

[obsidian wigeon]

no dram, uses hmb

[earnest olive]

and some of the not so cheap ones

[obsidian wigeon]

dram is pointless to have nowadays

unless the ssd has good design

[potent portal]

At least on anything below B tier

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[potent portal]

And even then most B's don't need it

[obsidian wigeon]

my wd green sata has no dram and no hmb

but it's fine enough for me kek

i wish i could get sn550, but no slot

and not enough money for one

[potent portal]

Get 2 and raid 0 them

[obsidian wigeon]

what do you think about kingston nv1?

[runic spruce]

I was thinking of raid 0 lol

[obsidian wigeon]

it's pretty cheap

and i don't need much speed

[runic spruce]

Autocorrect

[obsidian wigeon]

tho the price difference is tiny compared to sn550 anyway

[runic spruce]

Twice the performance double the failure

[obsidian wigeon]

so i might probably just get the wd

[potent portal]

I do that raid 0 dance, but it's only my game drive and I keep backups in a separate system

[earnest olive]

hmm, once i finish bingo 2022 should i unpin the old one or leave it for posterity? lol

[obsidian wigeon]

leave it

[potent portal]

Shucked a 12TB WD external drive, slapped that into an old xeon, boom backup/Plex server

[obsidian wigeon]

i kinda don't wanna cope with 512 gigs ssd the laptops comes with

it's too small for me lol

im already using most of 1tb hdd for games and files

[potent portal]

Unpin imo

But keep a copy

[earnest olive]

i was thinking probably not good to clutter pins in a help channel with more than one of the same meme lol

[desert gulch]

Toss "Asus motherboard" on there plz

[potent portal]

Exactly lol

[obsidian wigeon]

hm okay

that sounds fair

[earnest olive]

im really struggling to update the memes without ruining the categories

almost there tho

[desert gulch]

What other things do you need?

I may have some ideas

[runic spruce]

Send a bingo teaser lol

[earnest olive]

it's gotta be a surprise

[runic spruce]

A sneak peak

[runic spruce]

Party pooper

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-surprises-gif-12432575

[earnest olive]

trying to make the memes more likely to actually bingo as well

[willow quest]

@potent portal @earnest olive I inserted the windows boot and it brings me to this page stil

Do I just run setup on it?

[earnest olive]

look for the bios option to disable cpu fan error warning

what's your cpu temperature reporting in bios?

[willow quest]

I haven’t opened it

Still on the page

[earnest olive]

then open it

[willow quest]

Do I just hit f1

[earnest olive]

yes

look at cpu temp before you do anything

[willow quest]

Ok

54 degrees

[earnest olive]

not good, not bad

not overheating anyways

[willow quest]

Maybe the fans aren’t all the way turned up?

[earnest olive]

if you really had a cooler problem you'd be seeing much higher

potentially your cooler mount and/or paste application isn't perfect, but no catastrophic failure

[willow quest]

Ah yeah I had a bit of a problem mounting my AIO

the backplate was loose despite me putting standoffs in

But I was able to get it to work

[earnest olive]

i get ~14c over ambient in bios on a hotter running chip

[willow quest]

Damn