#general-chat

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hoary zodiac
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I don't think EVs will be truly better until the power source is green

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Unless the entirety of a country is powered off clean energy

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EVs aren't any better

atomic current
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even with the common gas plants we have, it's far better to consolidate energy usage at the grid level than to have a power plant on your vehicle

hoary zodiac
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A good way to get to that point is to replace fossil fuel with nuclear

atomic current
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CCGT plants are pretty damn efficient, moreso than nuclear plants in some terms but I'd rather nuclear

hoary zodiac
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It's far cleaner than most energy sources

upper rain
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yeah i was about to say. energy is a solved problem. nuclear fission

hoary zodiac
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It's not solved

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Nuclear is still finite

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It's just significantly better

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Than what we have

upper rain
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there is enough KNOWN uranium and thorium to power 2x the projected power needs of the globe if run exclusively on nuclear for over 100 years. plenty of time to develop fusion in that time. and doesn't include undiscovered deposits

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it's a solved problem for all intents and purposes

hoary zodiac
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Which is mindboggling considering how it's not being utilised enough

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Even though it's been a thing for a century

atomic current
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I discovered there's a massive geothermal plant north of the bay area that was built in like the 70s and expanded since then which is cool

hoary zodiac
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We should be in the atomic age

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But we're not

atomic current
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geysers

The Geysers

The Geysers is the world's largest geothermal field, containing a complex of 18 geothermal power plants, drawing steam from more than 350 wells, located in the Mayacamas Mountains approximately 72 miles (116 km) north of San Francisco, California. Geysers produced about 20% of California's renewable energy in 2019. Calpine, the largest generator...

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1.5gw

hoary zodiac
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My conspiracy is that big fossil fuel is the reason

atomic current
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need to build more of these

upper rain
hoary zodiac
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Every one of those mfs bring up Chernobyl

atomic current
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did you know that coal plants put out more radioactive waste than nuclear plants ever will?

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fun facts with MrManiac3

upper rain
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yep

hoary zodiac
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Even though it's well documented that the procedures and design are the issue

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Not nuclear itself

misty sparrow
lone mango
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Chernobyl and stuff

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Dude the fricken japanese plant man

atomic current
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the expense of a nuclear plant is down to how safe they are, fossil fuel plants don't meet the safety standards and as such cost less

hoary zodiac
atomic current
hoary zodiac
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Skill issue tbh

atomic current
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cheap out, kill everyone 👍

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don't, don't

hoary zodiac
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-Gigabyte PSU

lone mango
hoary zodiac
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Excuse tbh

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That's anti-nuclear propaganda

lone mango
hoary zodiac
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It has high up-start cost

lone mango
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People are still scared

hoary zodiac
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But the long term benefits far outweigh the short term cost

hoary zodiac
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People fear monger nuclear too hard

lone mango
hoary zodiac
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No it won't

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It's not Chernobyl

lone mango
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I know lmao im messing around

atomic current
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go look at all the plants around the world, is interesting

lone mango
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My state has good nuclear

hoary zodiac
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I think investing in solar and wind is a mistake

atomic current
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wish cali had more and stopped decommisioning

hoary zodiac
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The idea itself isn't bad but they're still not all that efficient

atomic current
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I think it's great

hoary zodiac
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I think it will be great*

atomic current
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especially when combined with legacy hydro, use the solar/wind to charge up the reservoir

hoary zodiac
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But we're skipping a step imo

atomic current
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big ass battery

hoary zodiac
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I don't think the tech is there yet

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It can't replace traditional energy

atomic current
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the tech has been there for a bit I think

lone mango
atomic current
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the first gen of panels and turbines would suck nowadays

hoary zodiac
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I'd say it would've been better if we replaced all fossil fuels with nuclear

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THEN with green energy

atomic current
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I think solar fields are stupid, unless you wanna put it on grazing farmland for like sheep

hoary zodiac
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Get rid of the fossils first, then start working on green energy

atomic current
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put solar on buildings all over the place

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there's lots of room

lone mango
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Imagine this times 5 and it still won’t add up to a small reactor

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atomic current
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they get up to like 150-250mw in cali I think

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solar fields

hoary zodiac
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Green energy is good on paper

atomic current
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about the same as a medium hydro plant

hoary zodiac
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But we're not at a point where green can replace fossil

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Like some people would want to you believe

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Hydro is a good alternative

lone mango
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Nuclear and hydro 52202486146872

hoary zodiac
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China's been capitalising on that

atomic current
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hydro sucks when it comes to the health of the rivers

hoary zodiac
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China's infrastructure is... Questionable at times

lone mango
hoary zodiac
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But they're doing more than the west

atomic current
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need to build massive fish ladders, but even that just serves very hyperspecific species

hoary zodiac
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Hydro is good for specific scenarios

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Where you need a dam to regulate the river in the first place

atomic current
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riparian habitat is better for that

hoary zodiac
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Hydro is quite limited by geography

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But it's good when it works

atomic current
hoary zodiac
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That's why a mix of nuclear and hydro would be a good middle point between transitioning to green energy

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Meanwhile in Germany:

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shuts down NPPs

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coal

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Good job Germany

atomic current
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riparian_zone

Riparian zone

A riparian zone or riparian area is the interface between land and a river or stream. In some regions, the terms riparian woodland, riparian forest, riparian buffer zone, riparian corridor, and riparian strip are used to characterize a riparian zone. The word riparian is derived from Latin ripa, meaning "river bank".
Riparian is also the proper ...

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relocated wikipedia link outside of meanwhile in germany stonks1

atomic current
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anthracite ❤️

hoary zodiac
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Simultaneously one of the most advanced and backwards countries in the EU

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At least France is doing better

atomic current
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good on france :)

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I want to electrify the house I'm living in so it isn't powered by gas this and that

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range and furnace

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gimme induction and heat pumps

hoary zodiac
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Heat pumps, induction cooker

atomic current
hoary zodiac
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Although I'd keep a gas stove in the backyard

atomic current
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cut off that damn gas feed

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yeah having a little gas cooker is fine

hoary zodiac
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Wok on a real stove 🔥

atomic current
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I don't think there's a propane grill but I found papers in the house documents from a grill

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must be at my grandparents' house or something idk

lone mango
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Drill

rancid juniper
hoary zodiac
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I like how he said "optimise"

atomic current
# lone mango Drill

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fracking#Non-oil/gas_uses

Fracking

Fracking (also known as hydraulic fracturing, fracing, hydrofracturing, or hydrofracking) is a well stimulation technique involving the fracturing of formations in bedrock by a pressurized liquid. The process involves the high-pressure injection of "fracking fluid" (primarily water, containing sand or other proppants suspended with the aid of t...

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geothermal fracking

rancid juniper
hoary zodiac
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What does silicon have to do with this

atomic current
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ah yes, games should be buttery smooth and by buttery smooth I mean they look like someone smeared butter all over the place

rancid juniper
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alr bro, quit yapping

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hoary zodiac
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Brainlet pretends to know anything

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Actual definition of a grifter

atomic current
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got a whole manifesto

hoary zodiac
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It's not even correct either

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He just listed his opinion

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Poor reasoning too

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No (verifiable) facts were given to prove his points

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No sources

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He's like a venture capitalists

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He knows a couple buzzwords but doesn't use them correctly

atomic current
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this is why wikipedia has those little [1] [2] [3] [a] [b] [c]s

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so you know where the stuff comes from

hoary zodiac
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There is an argument to be made for frame gen

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This is not how you make it

atomic current
hoary zodiac
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Frame gen is good under certain circumstances

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People aren't complaining about fake frames

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People are complaining about FG and DLSS being the bulk of the optimisation

atomic current
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frame gen is good when I don't have to use it stonks1

hoary zodiac
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It's not innovation

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It's laziness

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It's like replacing a therapist with an AI

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AI can give general advice on very simple inquiries but it shouldn't be doing the heavy lifting

atomic current
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it should be doing zero lifting 🔥

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return to the earth silicon foe

hoary zodiac
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There are several things AI are good at

atomic current
hoary zodiac
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Processing mass amounts of data

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That's a very real use case

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But general purpose AI is a stupid idea

atomic current
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there should be scientific machine learning use, not llms and slop

hoary zodiac
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Jack of all trades and shit at all of them

royal crow
olive plaza
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is there a thing right now where discord posts GIFs twice

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bc I've been seeing it from like everyone

royal crow
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Ig so

atomic current
atomic current
olive plaza
royal crow
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For some reason if I don't want it to happen it won't

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Observe

olive plaza
royal crow
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But then other times it wigs tf out

atomic current
olive plaza
royal crow
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Waaait a minute

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This gif is favorite on my account

hoary zodiac
royal crow
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But this one i searched up

hoary zodiac
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Discord loves adding useless features and breaking the app instead of doing anything useful

royal crow
olive plaza
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so you're saying if you search it, it posts twice

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let me try that

hoary zodiac
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Nope

royal crow
hoary zodiac
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Searched that

olive plaza
hoary zodiac
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Single post

olive plaza
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vim are you on mobile

hoary zodiac
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Yeah

olive plaza
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ok

hoary zodiac
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Oh is it on desktop

olive plaza
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cuz I'm on desktop

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so we got it covered

hoary zodiac
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Yeah it did happen to me earlier

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Yeah I think it's desktop

olive plaza
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it's never happened to me

royal crow
rancid juniper
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lel

hoary zodiac
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And all because the useless good for nothing devs decide to change the UI for no good reason

olive plaza
royal crow
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???

hoary zodiac
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I do not respect discord devs

royal crow
hoary zodiac
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Fire all these useless UI/UX people and keep only the ones that don't do anything stupid

royal crow
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Ignore my battery %

hoary zodiac
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Canvas detected

olive plaza
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you pressed it twice QMB

royal crow
olive plaza
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I watched the dot come up twice

royal crow
craggy shoal
atomic current
craggy shoal
hoary zodiac
royal crow
hoary zodiac
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The UI is so cluttered

royal crow
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Nvm then

atomic current
olive plaza
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So the dot to show you pressed pops up, the GIFs stay on the screen, and then immediately before the GIFs go away the dot comes up again.

hoary zodiac
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And it keeps getting worse

hoary zodiac
royal crow
atomic current
hoary zodiac
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They have one job and they're too terrible at it

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One job

olive plaza
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Literally pressing it twice

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idk what to tell you

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LOL

royal crow
olive plaza
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yeah that time the dot only appeared 1 time

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and the GIF only appeared 1 time

royal crow
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The selection doesn't come down after doing one through search

hoary zodiac
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Yesterday I had to keep deleting gifs

olive plaza
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I truly believe Discord is just not closing the GIF screen when it posts

hoary zodiac
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Because they keep posting twice

royal crow
olive plaza
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so people believe their GIF didn't post

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so they press it again

hoary zodiac
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I thought it was a clipboard trolling problem

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I think it happens with images too

olive plaza
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No it's a Discord problem where it doesn't close the GIF page, combined with user error of the user not checking if it went through

craggy shoal
royal crow
olive plaza
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I'm actually really glad you screen recorded that QMB

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so i could see the double press

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i bet you the favorites vs searched thing is because Discord might be caching your favorites, so it can close that page easier

royal crow
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Probably

olive plaza
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ok now ill search one

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that was from mobile

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I've been on desktop this whole time until now

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yeah my phone closed the gif screen right away when I pressed that

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what phone do you have

royal crow
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... weird

royal crow
olive plaza
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dang

royal crow
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Your on iphone presumably?

lone mango
atomic current
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normal

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what's the connector? PCIe 8 pin?

lone mango
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I guess I just never inspected the psu side

atomic current
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psu side or recipient side

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ahh

lone mango
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Yeah other cabke is like this

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How did I not notice this after 7 years

atomic current
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it's like the 24 pin in that it's not 24 pins

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which is funny because boards come with the pin, but psus don't

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thank you corsair very cool

thin sentinel
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which is better the samsung 990 pro or 990 pro evo plus

sinful blade
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Unless you need them

thin sentinel
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like what

royal crow
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I have a p3+and am getting my mom an nv3

thin sentinel
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im not that educated on this stuff so may be dumb but whats special with samsung 990

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if there is anything special

rancid juniper
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looks like im running FSR4 on RDNA3 LETS GOOOOOOOO

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sinful blade
hoary zodiac
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Cheaping out a bit too much

sinful blade
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It’s a UD90
It’ll last a bit

hoary zodiac
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This is penny pinching

sinful blade
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Is the mp44l down?
I thought I saw it at $62

hoary zodiac
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$58.99

sinful blade
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Hm
Not sure what I was looking at then

hoary zodiac
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c910 is $54.99

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It'd make sense if both ssds were a bit pricier

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But with current prices

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Nah

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990 EVO plus is $59.99

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I'd argue that MP44L is better if he doesn't have gen 5

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SSD market actually doesn't look bad this week wtf

thin sentinel
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how does this look

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i dont know much about components so

sinful blade
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Are you insistent on intel?

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Also what’s your budget

thin sentinel
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i mean id like to stay under as close or under 3k

thin sentinel
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i figured id just use it

sinful blade
dusk knot
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AMD is the best

sinful blade
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Here’s a list

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Save the extra $1100 for some chicken nuggets

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Get a good oled

dusk knot
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😏

sinful blade
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@thin sentinel reasons not to get the 5080:
its $1400
A 7900xtx will have very very similar performance and has 8gb more vram
And has dlss
And has fsr4(I think)
And the 7900XTX is $800

dense locust
dusk knot
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Yes

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But intel isn’t far ahead

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With everything else

dense locust
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to be fair it took amd until the 9950x3d to catch up

sinful blade
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@thin sentinel how you feelin

dense locust
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depends on how intel next gen does

dense locust
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can find them for close to msrp

sinful blade
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Vs 24GB

dense locust
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5070ti not 5070

sinful blade
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Oh

dense locust
sinful blade
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Still
Extra 8 gigs is gonna help

dense locust
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800

sinful blade
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Same price

thin sentinel
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i mean ive always liked nvidia but ive only ever used nvidia

dense locust
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7000 is pretty far behind in terms of ray tracing

thin sentinel
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my current pc i have 3060ti

dense locust
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if youre into that

sinful blade
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@thin sentinel do you use RT?

dense locust
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24gb will only be helpful if youre gaming at 4k

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or use ai for some god awful reason

sinful blade
dense locust
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will it just be for gaming?

thin sentinel
dusk knot
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Hm

sinful blade
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4080 super, 7900 XTX, and 5070ti are basically neck and neck atm

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In terms of performance

dense locust
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but 5070ti can generate twice the amount of fake frames!

sinful blade
dense locust
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ok i have to ask why the $159.99 case

thin sentinel
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tbh saw it looked cool so

sinful blade
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I wasn’t bothering changing it
O11 people are impossible to change

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Does my case look coolpeepoSadSip

dense locust
thin sentinel
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i dont care abt the case i just wanted to have the glass sides

sinful blade
dense locust
sinful blade
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Much cheaper

sinful blade
dense locust
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absolutely necessary

sinful blade
thin sentinel
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def not

dense locust
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i think the normal version of this motherboard is like 300

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adding miku to it doubled the price

thin sentinel
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crazy

dense locust
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i want the miku aio for my case since it matches my case but the black version is not being sold

sinful blade
dense locust
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chat do i use 600 of my savings to buy miku motherboard?

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it would be funny trust

sinful blade
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Oh wait

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Ignore that list for a minute

dense locust
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you have 40 seconds until i look at the list

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i looked at the list

sinful blade
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This is the new list

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@thin sentinel
Get this

dense locust
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...

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nvm on the miku motherboard

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it doesnt have a post code

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odd choice for a $600 motherboard

thin sentinel
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what makes your better than the one i made

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genuinly just curious

dense locust
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it can run linux without drivers

sinful blade
# thin sentinel what makes your better than the one i made

CPU, motherboard, ram, ssd, case, and PSU are all going to be better+cheaper.
CPU is the second best in gaming atm.
Motherboard is a cheaper variant.
Ram is better ram(and faster, since Corsair ram SUUUUUCKS(ask anyone)
Ssd is a good, cheaper alternative.
PSU is higher on the tier list, for much less
Case is similar style

thin sentinel
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gpu wise tho id like to stay with nvidia but do which gpu do i go with

sinful blade
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5070ti

thin sentinel
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why is that better than a 5080

sinful blade
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Much cheaper

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You’re not missing much perf

thin sentinel
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gotcha

olive plaza
thin sentinel
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tryna build

olive plaza
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nice. are you in the US?

thin sentinel
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yes

olive plaza
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I always ask

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cuz PC part picker has a region selector in the top corner that apparently very few people know about

thin sentinel
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its on us

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for me

olive plaza
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yeah same

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I'm also in the US

thin sentinel
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nice

olive plaza
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great lakes region

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anyway

thin sentinel
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nice, tennessee for me

olive plaza
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yeeyee

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I lived in Tennessee for about a year after I graduated high school

thin sentinel
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oh nice

olive plaza
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Nashville area

thin sentinel
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thats where i am

olive plaza
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oh yeah? thats cool

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I worked at the steak n shake on Old Hickory over in Hermitage

thin sentinel
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yea

sinful blade
olive plaza
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that was like the main job I did while I was going to school there

thin sentinel
olive plaza
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heck yeah

olive plaza
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I'm assuming this is just straight up a gaming PC?

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not planning on doing any video editing

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or productivity work

thin sentinel
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ill use it some for school or and maybe a little video editing but nothing crazy editing wise

olive plaza
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alright

thin sentinel
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just if i get real bored i might edit sometimes but thats is

olive plaza
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Are you stuck on the View 270

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like is that THE case you wanna use

thin sentinel
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no i dont care much about the case but i would prefer to have a bigger glass pannel that wraps around thats it

olive plaza
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gotcha

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Let me throw a list together for you myself

thin sentinel
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appreciate it

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id like to stay under 3k tho

olive plaza
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and i'll explain the reasoning why my choices are different from both you and Roomba

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are you going for a white theme

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or does it matter

thin sentinel
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itd be nice but doesnt have to be

hoary zodiac
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Why is there a $83 AIO

olive plaza
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3K for just the tower right?

hoary zodiac
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Jesus

olive plaza
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not like including monitor

thin sentinel
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i already own monitors

hoary zodiac
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Also can the 7800X3D actually run 6400CL32 at 1:1

thin sentinel
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i have a gaming pc already just looking to upgrade

hoary zodiac
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Asrock with X3D, absolutely not

olive plaza
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Way under 3k

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Here are the design choices and why I did what I did:

hoary zodiac
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Oh

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64GB?

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Didn't see that one

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Are we including monitor?

thin sentinel
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no

hoary zodiac
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This is a black build

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But I'm just using a black list as a baseline for the moment

thin sentinel
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thats fine

hoary zodiac
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A white build would look like doug's

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Do you absolutely need 64GB of ram?

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I'm jumping in the middle so I don't know the exact use case

olive plaza
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  1. Ryzen 7 7800X3D is the second best gaming CPU on the market right now, only topped by the 9800X3D. If you aren't going to buy a 5090, there's no reason to get a 9800X3D.
  2. There are additional fans - reverse blade ones which go in the bottom of the case to push air up while the "pretty side" of the fan is showing, and normal ones to go in the top of the case. All the fans are Thermalright to match the cooler, and they're all white.
  3. 7800X3D is not a hot enough chip to require water cooling, period point blank. So I included arguably the best air cooler on the market which is still only $37 and is white with two 120mm fans.
  4. I went up to 64GB RAM because with Ryzen, running more than 2 sticks at a time is a huge problem. 6000MHz is the fastest guaranteed speed, and this kit has extremely fast timings of CL28. Might as well get 64GB up front because getting 32 now and adding another 2 sticks later will not work correctly.
  5. The motherboard and GPU are both from Gigabyte and both white; this means all the RGB in the entire build will sync up using one program RGBFusion from Gigabyte.
  6. The case has a ton of airflow, already comes with a few fans preinstalled, and the power supply has native PCIE5 cabling so it will work beautifully with your 5070TI.
hoary zodiac
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But does he need 64GB at any point in time

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Would be my question

thin sentinel
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id like to i have 32 in the pc i use right now but feel like i need more sometimes

hoary zodiac
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Oh yeah 64GB then

thin sentinel
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but the ram i have rn is ddr4 not ddr5

olive plaza
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I did go with a 2TB NVMe for now, but that's because you start paying more per TB to go higher than that right now

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2TB is a great starting point, and the board has several more NVMe slots to add more storage if you need it later

hoary zodiac
olive plaza
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And the US75 has 7GB/sec read speed, so you won't notice anything faster

hoary zodiac
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Still going with the baseline

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Oh wait crap I think I gave a terrible rec

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B650 can't do gen 5 right?

sinful blade
olive plaza
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Eh. It was that or a King95

sinful blade
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King95

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Nzxt bad

olive plaza
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reason?

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or are you just biased

sinful blade
olive plaza
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Makes sense

sinful blade
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Reasoning: see GN exposé

olive plaza
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Right. GN expose says: don't rent a PC from them

sinful blade
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Shady company doesn’t get my business at all
Or my recc for others

hoary zodiac
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To be fair that is one of NZXT's better cases

hoary zodiac
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That's not your choice to make

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It's their computer

thin sentinel
olive plaza
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To fill in the blanks Roomba is leaving here for you Anxiety

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long story short

hoary zodiac
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Pardon the interruption

thin sentinel
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my pc currentley was bought from nzxt

velvet summit
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TIL that the song "come on feel the noise" is not spelled that way

olive plaza
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NZXT was offering a program where they would "rent" you a PC. They'd say you could return it anytime without extra fees, and also the same PC page would give different specs for renting vs buying

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Turned out it was super shady, most if not all of what they said was not true

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and Gamers Nexus did a video about it

hoary zodiac
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My gripe with NZXT is that their cases usually have crappy airflow, but this case in particular is fine

thin sentinel
sinful blade
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Don’t forget the sku changes
And raising prices depending on when you looked at it

olive plaza
#

Now I'm good at compartmentalizing

hoary zodiac
#

Btw doug

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Quick question

olive plaza
#

what vim

hoary zodiac
#

Regarding the fan choices

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I've noticed you've chosen a 3 pack and then individual fans

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Would it not be cheaper to buy two three packs?

olive plaza
#

the reverse blades weren't available in a 3 pack

hoary zodiac
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Ahhh

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I see

olive plaza
#

So if one department of a company is terrible

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I.E. in NZXT's case, the part of the company that loans out PCs is bad

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I'm not gonna just stop recommending the PC components that their DIY branch makes

hoary zodiac
#

I judge companies on a product by product basis

sinful blade
hoary zodiac
#

NZXT has decent products and they have absolute crap

olive plaza
#

Similar story to the Gigabyte PSU issue from a few years ago, Gigabyte had those 3 PSU models that blew up

hoary zodiac
#

Corsair also has some suspicious PSUs mind you

olive plaza
#

For months and months after that story about the Gigabyte PSUs, there were tons of people saying to never buy Gigabyte

velvet summit
#

most of nzxt's stuff is pretty shit for the price anyways, so out of principal and just product quality for the price, it's pretty easy to not recommend

olive plaza
#

I got so many amazing deals on Gigabyte PSUs during that time

thin sentinel
hoary zodiac
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That's just pcpp

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They can't check every detail

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That's a general disclaimer

thin sentinel
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this was showing in the bottom of the one you made me doug would it be a problem or nah

hoary zodiac
#

There are no issues here

thin sentinel
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ohhhh gotcha

sinful blade
#

Check out buildcore though

hoary zodiac
#

Doug was the compatibility check

olive plaza
#

You actually do bring up a good point about the ram

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yeah give me a second

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you don't need watercooling but in this case it might make more sense

hoary zodiac
#

I don't know his exact use case but 64GB sounds excessive for "light" video editing

hoary zodiac
#

The cooler is angled backwards

olive plaza
#

fair

hoary zodiac
#

But they don't have a white variant

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So that is VERY annoying

thin sentinel
#

would ram help with games and framerate and if i wanted to watch high res videos and movies

hoary zodiac
#

PS120 might be a bit annoying with ram clearance

olive plaza
#

I'm gonna explain the RAM choice again

hoary zodiac
#

Not sure how much it interferes though

olive plaza
#

idk if vim actually read my long message or not

thin sentinel
hoary zodiac
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I'm more coming from the point where

thin sentinel
hoary zodiac
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"Does he actually need 64GB"

thin sentinel
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but if i did i have it

atomic current
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32 is good

olive plaza
#

He already answered that

hoary zodiac
#

I'm still a bit skeptical

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What's your most ram intensive use case

thin sentinel
#

with my pc now thats 32 gb acoording to task manager my ram struggles sometimes

atomic current
thin sentinel
#

but my ram now is ddr4

honest birch
atomic current
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(probably)

olive plaza
#

the fact you have DDR4 vs DDR5 doesn't really matter if you're filling the ram

honest birch
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just stop using chrome

hoary zodiac
#

Not a chrome issue

atomic current
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exactly

hoary zodiac
#

Chrome ram meme is exaggerated

honest birch
#

its a joke

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many other reasons to not use it

velvet summit
olive plaza
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I'll lay it all out there

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First of all as I said, adding 2 more sticks and having 4 total sticks of ram on Ryzen later is not great. Speeds suck with that setup

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Secondly he said he uses up 32GB now, so why wouldn't he get more

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Third, he's spending up to a 3000 dollar budget

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tell me in what world you'd go with the de facto standard amount of ram in a gaming PC when the customer has a non de facto standard budget

hoary zodiac
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I'm just inquiring on the exact use case to see if there's potentially a config issue

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If he can save money, there's no reason not to

atomic current
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less is more, do stuff well with less before grabbing for more

olive plaza
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I guess but he literally said he uses up 32 now

hoary zodiac
#

It doesn't hurt to ask for more details

hoary zodiac
olive plaza
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I'm sorry I'm not one to badger someone when they tell me they use up what they have and want more

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I just go, ok, heres's an option

hoary zodiac
#

That's not what I'm doing here

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I'm trying to see if he can still do what he's doing while consuming less memory

olive plaza
#

maybe he can

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go for it

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@thin sentinel when you use up your 32GB what are you usually doing

atomic current
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I'm not going to just hand someone more ram on a silver platter, high memory usage is too common where it can be well reduced

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that being said I'm throwing 16gb of ram into my mom's bloatwared laptop lol

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8 is too little regardless

hoary zodiac
#

I see where you're coming from but I prefer to dig deeper before throwing in 64GB of ram

atomic current
#

I can see about debloating that thing later

olive plaza
#

I guess part of my angle on this, vim

thin sentinel
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depends but as im sitting her talking in discord with discord and google open im using 47% of my 32gbs of ran'

olive plaza
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is what I do at my day job

hoary zodiac
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At the end of the day it's about providing the best product to the end consumer for the least amount of money

olive plaza
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and my day job specializes in higher end configurations

hoary zodiac
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I don't disagree with you I just think it can be optimised

olive plaza
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so for me 64 doesn't seem outlandish

sinful blade
hoary zodiac
atomic current
hoary zodiac
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Do you have any HIGH usage memory applications

velvet summit
hoary zodiac
#

Like say

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Adobe premiere pro

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Because that's a better reason to get 64GB

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Or modded Minecraft

thin sentinel
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when i start or run games my usages skyrockets and stuff and sometimes crash because of it

atomic current
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my current memory usage is about the same

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thin sentinel
thin sentinel
hoary zodiac
#

What kind of premiere timelines are we looking at

thin sentinel
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not much recently but i used to use it alot

hoary zodiac
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Are they highly complex timelines?

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It just sounds like windows is trolling of anything

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Remember windows caches a lot of stuff

thin sentinel
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medium id say but my pc would struggle exporting them

hoary zodiac
#

What are a couple singular applications that use up a lot of ram

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Aside from discord and chrome

thin sentinel
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most games i run

olive plaza
#

I mean modded minecraft takes a ton depending on the mods

thin sentinel
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gta, minecraft, fornite, val sometomes but not often, call of duty

hoary zodiac
#

The only example where 64GB would needed would be a modded game

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And even that depends on mod

velvet summit
hoary zodiac
#

64GB seems excessive here

thin sentinel
#

launched fortnite today just to launch and my whole pc wasnt having it

hoary zodiac
#

Keep in mind, windows stores a lot of information in cache

thin sentinel
#

but that was more than my ram

hoary zodiac
#

And will free up memory if necessary

hoary zodiac
#

It would be extremely abnormal for fortnite to use up that much memory

atomic current
#

sounds like a software/os issue

olive plaza
#

Anxiety how long have you had this PC

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and have you ever done a fresh Windows load

thin sentinel
#

no i launched the game and my cpu was 100% and gpu was at 87% and i didnt look at ram at the time

atomic current
#

what specs?

thin sentinel
hoary zodiac
#

Yeah I don't think we have a memory problem

hoary zodiac
#

I usually recommend people to reinstall every year

thin sentinel
atomic current
hoary zodiac
#

I don't have OS problems

lone mango
thin sentinel
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this was one i bought from nzxt but knew nothing at the time soo

hoary zodiac
#

Your case doesn't apply to his

thin sentinel
lone mango
#

I have like 140 mods or something

hoary zodiac
#

Again

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Still depends on specifics

olive plaza
#

So it's up to you

hoary zodiac
#

But 32GB should be sufficient for the majority

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I'd say that it's a config issue

thin sentinel
lone mango
#

Ah I didn’t mention I have 32

thin sentinel
#

which ik thats demanding of ram and ive noticed lag and problems then

hoary zodiac
#

The vast majority of the time it would seem that it wouldn't get to the point where 64GB is required

hoary zodiac
thin sentinel
#

task manager

hoary zodiac
#

Oh are you hosting mc servers on the same machine as well

thin sentinel
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and my frame rate drops crazy

hoary zodiac
thin sentinel
hoary zodiac
#

Doesn't necessarily correspond to a memory capacity issue

hoary zodiac
#

That might justify 64

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If you're hosting a modded server and playing on it using the same machine

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It might just go past 32

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Depends on mods again

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But still

thin sentinel
#

that and not that id need to expand it woild leave me plenty of room to expand if needed

hoary zodiac
#

It's certainly not unrealistic

atomic current
#

I like the idea of just hosting a mc server on haswell hardware

hoary zodiac
#

I run my mc server on Skylake

atomic current
#

I'm not gonna have lots of players if I do host

hoary zodiac
#

It used to sit on Haswell but I wanted that extra single thread

olive plaza
#

Anxiety were you planning to build this yourself or were you interested in having it built professionally

atomic current
#

single thread is great when minecraft

hoary zodiac
#

But yeah looking at the modded instance + server use case, I can see ram usage realistically exceeding 32GB

velvet summit
thin sentinel
hoary zodiac
#

I vote for 64GB in this case

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Still depends on the modpack but regardless

thin sentinel
#

it wouldnt hurt atp

hoary zodiac
#

You have a realistic use case so

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No reason not to

thin sentinel
#

also if i get real bored i have streamed in past and play vr games on pc

olive plaza
#

That and he kept his current machine for 4 years

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so I would imagine that if he's gonna keep this one for 4-5 years as well

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that 64GB will be good to have

hoary zodiac
#

I suspect the other high memory usage is due to windows trolling

thin sentinel
velvet summit
hoary zodiac
#

I'd recommend reinstalling windows every couple years either way

thin sentinel
hoary zodiac
#

Windows will free up that cache memory when needed

thin sentinel
#

yea

hoary zodiac
#

The total ram usage is not the full story

atomic current
#

be nice if it were more readable :(

hoary zodiac
#

Btop shows cached iirc

#

Does btop work on windows?

#

Oh crap there's a port for windows

#

Not sure it'll work the same though

atomic current
#

:o

olive plaza
#

Fixed

#

Granted this RTX 5080 does not give you a proportional increase in performance over the 5070 TI

hoary zodiac
#

It does fit the budget

olive plaza
#

but you get Gigabyte on both the GPU and board, both are white, so again all the RGB will sync

thin sentinel
#

that was about to be my question

olive plaza
#

and this uses the King95 Pro case which is a bit nicer for a first time builder because it does have all the fans preinstalled

thin sentinel
#

for the price difference is the 5080 worth over 5070ti

olive plaza
hoary zodiac
#

In terms of performance/$ no

#

If you prefer to just upgrade later down the line

#

You can probably end up spending the same amount of money for two gpus

olive plaza
#

Techpowerup puts the RTX5080 at 15% ahead of a 5070TI

hoary zodiac
#

Oh wtf

#

That's abysmal

velvet summit
thin sentinel
hoary zodiac
#

I'd personally go for a Thermalright instead

#

Their AIOs are considerably cheaper

olive plaza
hoary zodiac
#

Although I have reservations about pump longevity

olive plaza
#

When it comes to Ryzen builds the only two AIOs I really consider are either Thermalright or Arctic Cooling

hoary zodiac
#

I'd trust arctic more in this case

olive plaza
#

Thermalright is good because it's cheap and works

#

Arctic is good because of the offset mount and thick rad

hoary zodiac
#

Also the pump might last longer

#

I'm a bit skeptical on the pumps

#

You don't want the pump to die on a $3000 PC

olive plaza
#

I've sold a few Intel systems with Thermalright coolers, and they all still work as far as I'm aware

hoary zodiac
#

hmm

thin sentinel
#

no but on my current pc ive never had cooling problems

hoary zodiac
#

How old are they?

thin sentinel
olive plaza
#

up to 2 years old

thin sentinel
#

these are my current specs

hoary zodiac
#

In theory they can last indefinitely

#

But the question is

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Will they actually

thin sentinel
#

no

hoary zodiac
#

And do you want to take that risk on $3000

thin sentinel
#

no

olive plaza
#

So the last link I sent

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$2200

velvet summit
olive plaza
#

It's also a little bump up to 1000W on the PSU because it's not much more money

hoary zodiac
#

Is that CL28 kit the cheapest white ram

olive plaza
#

no

hoary zodiac
#

RGB sync?

olive plaza
#

yes

hoary zodiac
#

Ah

olive plaza
#

Z5 Neo is the most compatible ram I've come across for AM5

thin sentinel
hoary zodiac
#

Usually I'd optimise it a bit more to price/perf but this is a $3000 build

#

Different considerations here tbh

olive plaza
#

This is the one and only time I'm gonna say this, because I don't want to harp on it

#

but Anxiety if you're not interested in having to assemble a $2000+ PC yourself and rather have a professional do it, I build and ship PCs across the country and have a store set up on Jawa.gg, it will cost a good chunk more than the parts cost since there are fees I incur by selling through Jawa and I don't build things for free. But if that interests you just let me know

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My day job is managing an online custom PC business, and I also do this as a side gig type thing. I've built a few thousand PCs at my day job, always with perfect cable management and fully tested before shipment

thin sentinel
#

maybe but i can keep it in mind, i have some people i know that have built before but i persoanlly would also like to learn but ill keep it in mind

olive plaza
#

Either way

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this is a solid config

hoary zodiac
#

Friendly reminder that if you do decide to take him up on his offer, try to keep it outside of the newegg discord server to be safe with the rules

olive plaza
#

^^

thin sentinel
#

gotcha

hoary zodiac
#

So DMs

thin sentinel
#

thats why i sent him a friend request if i wanted too

hoary zodiac
#

Excellent

olive plaza
#

I'm just looking at his existing specs and going

#

that was a solid PC

#

but I'm curious since 2021 was peak shortage time how much that cost

thin sentinel
#

$2,402.31 from nzxt

olive plaza
#

Sheesh

#

that's purely insane

thin sentinel
#

is how much i paid after fees and tax and stuff

hoary zodiac
#

wtf

olive plaza
#

but listen vim

thin sentinel
#

which personally i thought wasnt that baf

olive plaza
#

before you blow a gasket

hoary zodiac
#

Prebuilt prices?

thin sentinel
#

bad for the market

olive plaza
#

To be fair - when he bought his PC, a 3060TI was selling for somewhere in the $700-800 range

thin sentinel
#

this was when the 30 series cards were like 1k

hoary zodiac
#

Ah was it shortage era?

thin sentinel
#

yes

hoary zodiac
#

Oh yeha

thin sentinel
#

extreme

olive plaza
hoary zodiac
#

Yeah that's normal then

#

It's still overpriced but that's just 2021

olive plaza
#

now it's not shortages

#

just nvidia being greedy

hoary zodiac
#

AMD is content to join them it seems

#

With the whole 9060XT 8GB debacle

olive plaza
#

what debacle

#

oh

thin sentinel
#

however i will say i hate the motherboard i have in my pc now

hoary zodiac
#

It's better now tho

olive plaza
#

edit goes hard

hoary zodiac
#

The price of the 8GB on the market right now is fine

thin sentinel
olive plaza
#

LMAO

hoary zodiac
#

I switch between three keyboards

olive plaza
hoary zodiac
#

Muscle memory

thin sentinel
#

gk61 is what i mainly use

olive plaza
#

I use a singular keyboard at home and a singular keyboard at work

#

and my muscle memory remembers how to type based on where I am

#

Keychron C3 Pro at home, and OEM garbage at work

thin sentinel
#

nice

elfin mural
#

i use my laptop's keyboard

olive plaza
#

Also @thin sentinel I know it's like, ridiculously late in the conversation to say this

#

LOL

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so if you wind up having any other questions about it just ping me there

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and I'm going to bed cuz it's 3am

thin sentinel
#

oh ok lol i just founf this discord today off the newegg website and joined lol

elfin mural
thin sentinel
elfin mural
#

it's back

hoary zodiac
#

Based

elfin mural
#

gn got their vid back

#

bloomberg took an L

hoary zodiac
#

The US government should watch this

#

And then investigate Nvidia

velvet summit
#

China is like also saying that Nvidia is breaching anti monopoly laws

hoary zodiac
#

Based?

velvet summit
#

https://ground.news/article/china-says-nvidia-violated-anti-monopoly-laws-significantly-escalating-trade-tensions-with-us

Ground News
China says Nvidia violated anti-monopoly laws, significantly escala...

China’s market regulator on Monday accused Nvidia of violating Chinese antimonopoly laws and said it would continue investigating the leading U.S. chipmaker. The State Administration for Market Regulation issued a brief statement on Monday saying a “preliminary investigation” found Nvidia in violation of the Chinese law in connection to it...

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Oh Nvidia acquired Mellanox which was the cause of this

#

5 years ago

hoary zodiac
#

Based China

#

I know China has ulterior motives

#

But Nvidia is getting what they deserve

velvet summit
#

It's definitely being used as a tool/weapon for the trade war but Nvidia also is... Pretty deserving of it

hoary zodiac
#

You don't just screw everyone over and then not expect to get screwed

#

The consequence of hubris

hoary zodiac
#

I suspect the Chinese government wants to get something out of this

#

Might also have something to do with the embargo

#

Either way, it's funny to see Nvidia getting screwed for a change

elfin mural
#

All big companies need to get a taste of their own medicine

#

Like Nintendo hastily filing patents to bully Palworld

#

And said patents somehow being approved

#

Patenting game mechanics lmao

hoary zodiac
#

There's always a bigger bully

#

In this instance it's the Chinese

elfin mural
#

Game mechanics should not be allowed to be patented

#

That's just insane

hoary zodiac
#

What Nintendo does

#

Is use the vaguest possible terminology

elfin mural
#

Nintendo is patenting every little bit however

hoary zodiac
#

And then blank sue everyone

elfin mural
#

I agree with certain things, but

#

When it's literally every little thing there is

#

That's just bullying

hoary zodiac
#

That are not entirely relevant mind you

#

They use the vaguest possible wording with the broadest possible interpretation

#

It's actual scummy business

elfin mural
#

Trademarks and stuff should be enforced

#

That I agree

#

Characters and all

hoary zodiac
#

Yeah

elfin mural
#

But seriously? Fighting sequences?

#

Why?

hoary zodiac
#

Nintendo is abusing patent laws

#

I mean to be fair

elfin mural
#

This should be illegal

hoary zodiac
#

This is probably something that the US would absolutely fight against

elfin mural
#

ye

hoary zodiac
#

Because of their own games industry

#

Like AAA might just gang on Nintendo if they do something stupid

#

Microsoft, Sony, everyone

elfin mural
#

Patenting won't be solved however

#

At least the corruption in it

hoary zodiac
#

They can probably appeal to the administration

elfin mural
#

Right

hoary zodiac
#

You know how the current administration has a unique characteristic that let them bypass red tape?

elfin mural
#

No companies bully competitors like Nintendo

#

lol

hoary zodiac
#

If they argue that it's a threat to the US game industry

#

Then uh

elfin mural
#

Nintendo also locks all third party accessories from using the second usb-c port

#

On the switch 2

hoary zodiac
#

Nintendo doesn't really go after the big guys though

elfin mural
#

I know

#

They know they can't

hoary zodiac
#

So probably unlikely to threaten anyone that'll get the attention of the US admin

elfin mural
#

So they just bully the little guys

hoary zodiac
#

Yeah they're cowards

#

I mean it's smart

elfin mural
#

Typical corporate

#

Ensure there's no competition

hoary zodiac
#

They're not going to attract unnecessary attention

#

And then get dogpiled

elfin mural
#

Do the bare minimum for your products

#

cough stick drift

hoary zodiac
#

Outdated hardware

#

The only reason that nintendo has retro games on the e shop is so they can keep the copyright

elfin mural
#

ya

hoary zodiac
#

And also money

elfin mural
#

They learned

#

And it's not that scummy

#

What's scummy is that

#

Streaming their games isn't allowed

#

That's just annoying

hoary zodiac
#

Oh yeah the stupid creator's program

#

That's a stupid move tbh

elfin mural
#

Yep

hoary zodiac
#

It doesn't even make sense

elfin mural
#

Silencing free publicity is like

hoary zodiac
#

They're just braindead in this instance

elfin mural
#

A good way to limit your reach

hoary zodiac
#

You'd think that the free advertising is better

#

You'd think they would connect the dots by now

#

But no they're actually stupid in this case

#

I'm less annoyed by the scummyness but rather the stupidity

#

Like really?

#

They're just bullying people for no good reason

#

You'd think the greedier move is to exploit the free publicity

#

And partner with content creators

#

But no

#

Like if they sent a bunch of people free review copies

#

Literally free advertisement

#

I truly don't get it

lone mango
#

Wow these thermalright fans are ass

#

At least they move good air though

#

But man these noises are really bad

hoary zodiac
#

To be fair

#

You get what you paid for

lone mango
#

Good part is that the pump is really quiet

#

But the fans make like 3 different sounds

hoary zodiac
#

I wonder what would happen if you swap in NF-A12s

#

My noctuas are really damn good

#

My F12s are on my laptop cooling pad

#

Very quiet, keeps my laptop cool while gaming

atomic current
#

I want to get fans for cooling modem hardware

hoary zodiac
#

Do you want acoustics

#

Or do you not care

atomic current
#

I like having quiet fan

#

arctic made p12s that are equipped like a desk fan right>

hoary zodiac
#

Guys

#

Dijon is in Burgundy right?

lone mango
atomic current
#

Grasshopper

SPOILER_20250916_014054.jpg
hoary zodiac
atomic current
#

and a spider broke his legs trying to climb up my pants

hoary zodiac
#

France is broke

image.png
#

joining wars for war taxes

#

the absolute sate of france

#

WE ARE SO BACK

#

I'm going to take out loans to repay my loans

elfin mural
#

lmao

hoary zodiac
#

These are 3.75% interest loans

#

if I take out the 1% interest loans it'd be cheaper

#

Another German war

#

These wars are slightly annoying

#

But I need a strong ally

hoary zodiac
#

Plunder Burgundy to refill my treasury

image.png
#

the absolute state of France

#

I hate these borders so much

image.png
#

I still can't annex Orleans because literally every great power is supporting their independence

#

The US annexed my colony

#

Native USA?

image.png
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This is kinda based ngl

#

I'm going to subjugate them

nocturne flicker
#

Wholesome Manifest Destiny?

hoary zodiac
#

yeah no I'm annexing them

nocturne flicker
#

Sad

hoary zodiac
#

they stole my colony