Those who crow: π¦ββ¬
#general-chat
lone mango
upper rain
those who dough:
pliant berry
lol
upper rain
those who glow:
fresh timber
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lone mango
those who glow:
upper rain
<:soylitafbi:1135006451643973803>
i need that emoji where do i get it lmfao
i couldn't find any good glowie gifs in the gif tab
sadge
lone mango
One of my servers
upper rain
lone mango
crimson scroll
wonderful ty
fresh timber
chat.. we can finally start seeing good aios
crimson scroll
chat.. we can finally start seeing good aios
Pretty sure they can just renew it
upper rain
chat.. we can finally start seeing good aios
AIOs are already pretty nifty, but more competition will probably be good in this regard
fresh timber
Pretty sure they can just renew it
they did not
upper rain
the dark lord loosens his grip on the market
ngl i like asetec AIOs though
having fairly consistent mounting is neat
pliant berry
you can only keep patent for so long. but if it already expired i don't think you can keep
worthy meteor
Asetek is at best average, them losing their patent is good for the ecosystem
crimson scroll
Will corsair aio prices drop
worthy meteor
Ahahahaha no
crimson scroll
π
upper rain
it's cool that i can take, say my rando chinese AIO i have, and use it with the mounting brackets i have for my EVGA CLC and vice versa
we got neat products like the Kraken G12 out of that sort of standardization also
overall it's a positive, i am merely an appreciator of standardization
worthy meteor
I mean we have seen when people started doing stuff like pump in rad to bypass the patent that there was a decent performance bump above the huge pool of asetek designs
Standardization is cool but it's just limiting the performance we are getting in this space rn
upper rain
I mean we have seen when people started doing stuff like pump in rad to bypass t...
was there really? i thought those mostly sucked a bunch lol
it's been a minute since i've been AIO shopping tbf
worthy meteor
Been a few years but I remember getting excited for it, I'll have to check again
hoary zodiac
Thermalright is the most exciting thing to happen to AIOs recently
crimson scroll
I mean we have seen when people started doing stuff like pump in rad to bypass t...
Didnt those have pump failure more than the refular ones
worthy meteor
was there really? i thought those mostly sucked a bunch lol
I remember MSI's first gen pump in rad really sucked, that's about it
The later versions were good
crimson scroll
I remember MSI's first gen pump in rad really sucked, that's about it
Yea this
upper rain
yes i remember that too
i almost bought one ~4 years ago on sale, but found my CLC 360 for $60 open box so got that instead
hoary zodiac
I remember MSI's first gen pump in rad really sucked, that's about it
While you're here, do you know if 3x4GB DDR4 would be running in dual channel?
upper rain
While you're here, do you know if 3x4GB DDR4 would be running in dual channel?
8GB would, the extra 4GB would be single channel
gleaming sedge
what would be a good game option for using on my sim? i wanted forza motorsports 8 but i seen people saying that it was not good on wheel so not looking at gran turismo 7
upper rain
better to have slow memory than cache to drive
hoary zodiac
DDR4
Skylake nas
I'm already at $70 for the whole pc so
Don't want to spend more money
worthy meteor
While you're here, do you know if 3x4GB DDR4 would be running in dual channel?
Flex channel or whatever the weird thing was called, it'd be weird
pliant berry
for just storage that might be fine
upper rain
i honestly forgor ddr4 even came in 4GB modules lol
hoary zodiac
Yeah skylake doesn't care about ram speed
worthy meteor
You would not get dual channel performance
pliant berry
what are you running on nas
hoary zodiac
At most a minecraft server
But I might just run that on my haswell
Since that has more ram
hoary zodiac
Performance really isn't all that important to me
rigid sinew
i just got a new clock
hoary zodiac
Actually
rigid sinew
its cool
hoary zodiac
I reckon 4x4gb ddr4 2400 should be pretty good for skylake right?
hoary zodiac
I don't really need multi core performance
hoary zodiac
Skylake offers the best single thread performance/$
fresh timber
fresh timber
i just got a new clock
lets see your clock
pliant berry
those light up ones?
fresh timber
buy NOW
rigid sinew
pliant berry
interesting
upper rain
https://splavepc.com/collections/frontpage/products/splave-catalyst is this valu...
wtf
$1500 for a 4060 build dude
hoary zodiac
worthy meteor
Still better than origin prices lmao
rancid juniper
$1500 for a 4060 build dude
π€’π€’π€’π€’π€’
upper rain
Still better than origin prices lmao
is it really?
hoary zodiac
$1500 for a 4060 build dude
Isn't that 9070 build prices
upper rain
Isn't that 9070 build prices
you can do 9070 custom builds for like $1200 without compromising badly
pliant berry
has origin ever had good prices
rancid juniper
Could've sworn they had a $1500 PC with no dgpu
thats a crime against humanity
cuz wtf?
upper rain
Could've sworn they had a $1500 PC with no dgpu
LMFAO
hoary zodiac
Have prices come back down already?
upper rain
this is the future that Strix Halo promises
OEMs selling iGPU builds for the cost of a used card a decade ago
rancid juniper
this is the future that Strix Halo promises
crap future if thats the prices we will look at
hoary zodiac
The real question is
upper rain
crap future if thats the prices we will look at
the lappies that are out rn are like 2K, but they're also very premium offerings. i hope we get $1200 models in the future
upper rain
Are there any games that's worth spending $1000 on a gpu
minecraft
rancid juniper
the lappies that are out rn are like 2K, but they're also very premium offerings...
and much less
upper rain
and much less
true, but at a certain point i try to be reasonable with my hopes haha
rancid juniper
true, but at a certain point i try to be reasonable with my hopes haha
fair enough
lone mango
the dark lord loosens his grip on the market
Sotruβ¦
lone mango
<:SoyGlowie:1371594895764095067> wonderful ty
fresh timber
Isn't that 9070 build prices
Quok made his 9070xt pc for less
upper rain
You can run that on a 580
you can run it on an intel iGPU, but what if i want to run it at 16K 240 FPS with RT and 128 chunk render distance
hoary zodiac
Quok made his 9070xt pc for less
Different time
hoary zodiac
Different market
worthy meteor
$2400 with a 4060ti
upper rain
I can't find the dgpu-less one but uh this is about as bad
arguably worse πππ
hoary zodiac
you can run it on an intel iGPU, but what if i want to run it at 16K 240 FPS wit...
That's having too much money to spend
rancid juniper
I can't find the dgpu-less one but uh this is about as bad
AW HELL NA
WHAT IS THAT
crimson scroll
I can't find the dgpu-less one but uh this is about as bad
No god damn way
upper rain
CPU that melts itself and a GPU not a lot fastser for an extra $900 lmfao
sinful blade
Viprtech is pretty bad
upper rain
That's having too much money to spend
wish i could relate
fresh timber
Different time
That wasnβt long ago, infact gpu prices are dropping
crimson scroll
Viprtech is pretty bad
Corsair is pretty bad they had a 4060 build for 1400$
hoary zodiac
As I said
rancid juniper
capitalism be like: High prices for crap materials
upper rain
capitalism be like: High prices for crap materials
if people pay for it, that's what happens π€·ββοΈ
hoary zodiac
One day the gpu prices go down and the motherboard prices go up
rancid juniper
if people pay for it, that's what happens π€·ββοΈ
smh π
acoustic palm
Ow
lone mango
Corporatism is really what be going on fr
upper rain
i'm at the point where i'm simply thankful that we get consumer GPUs at all anymore. at a certain point gamersβ’οΈ are beyond second class citizens to AMD/Nvidia
sinful blade
lone mango
Capitalism needs to come back so corporatism can go away
hoary zodiac
Down with the corporations
upper rain
if you adjusted 5090 MSRP to reflect the cost per mm of silicon of the GB200 super chip, it would be like $16k iirc lmao
so as awful as things are... i try to accept that we are at least getting something. i should like if we got more
upper rain
if we were getting a middle finger there wouldn't be consumer GPUs at all
upper rain
5090's sell for like 1/5 of the cost per mm2 that GB200 sells for
rancid juniper
if you adjusted 5090 MSRP to reflect the cost per mm of silicon of the GB200 sup...
upper rain
Melting cards, missing rops
true, i think that's incompetence tho
hoary zodiac
Well
lone mango
so as awful as things are... i try to accept that we are at least getting someth...
2010s intel
frigid stag
those are a like 0.01% of cards
sinful blade
true, i think that's incompetence tho
Forced supply
hoary zodiac
There's also the matter of where the good silicon went
frigid stag
if not less
upper rain
There's also the matter of where the good silicon went
GB200
hoary zodiac
Exactly
lone mango
4 cores forever
frigid stag
the supply issue looks like its america only. in europe u can buy one any time
upper rain
4 cores forever
to their credit... four of their cores now are almost as big as 8 AMD cores 
tranquil pebble
about to try ghostwire tokyo on my laptop
worthy meteor
5090's sell for like 1/5 of the cost per mm2 that GB200 sells for
but also have to consider yields, lot less gb200 shaped pristine parts of the wafer :p
rancid juniper
about to try ghostwire tokyo on my laptop
upper rain
but also have to consider yields, lot less gb200 shaped pristine parts of the wa...
true, it's back of the napkin math. my point is mostly that we're getting shafted, but it's nothing personal. if i could sell 5090's for $16 grand, i'd definitely do it over selling for 2-3k because of my principled base of alternate consumers
nothing personal, just good business
lone mango
Now that is what we call unreal
hoary zodiac
I mean
We shouldn't be so kind to the massive multi million dollar corporation
They screwed up and they should face the consequences
lone mango
https://tenor.com/view/unreal-unreal-engine-computer-smoking-computer-smoking-gi...
Unreal 6 would have it be slower and choppy
upper rain
my hope is that at some point the professional stuff funds the gaming tech insofar as we just get last gen enterprise architectures on cheaper nodes, and that's the gaming card. seems like that would be the best solution with the way things are going
rancid juniper
Unreal 6 would have it be slower and choppy
bro i guarantee you NOTHING WILL WORK ON UE6
hoary zodiac
Their motives are also at trial here
upper rain
They screwed up and they should face the consequences
yeah for sure, my point is that there aren't any consequences. if we don't buy the cards, they don't care. they'll just allocate more silicon to GB200 lol
lone mango
See at least it runs at a stable 24 fps
upper rain
it's a lose lose situation
fresh timber
Free electricity
lone mango
6 would just kill it
hoary zodiac
Well I mean
That's where the competition comes in
If nvidia doesn't want to care then they'll be driven out of the consumer space
upper rain
ideally yea, but Nvidia's spent over a decade making Cuda into a walled garden ecosystem that most enterprise customers don't want to bother breaking out of
rancid juniper
Now mandatory
lol
lone mango
Or
upper rain
it will be a slow, slow march to take enterprise marketshare with UDNA
hoary zodiac
True
hoary zodiac
But they'll be driven out of the gaming space
lone mango
This is unreal
hoary zodiac
They'll become like IBM
rancid juniper
Us gamers unite and buy cryengine games
thats if developers jump ship (They wont)
so far UE is the leading standard
fresh timber
upper rain
sure, but atp it's not really any help to us. fewer GPUs, and now we just get the scraps from whatever RTG puts out instead of whatever Nvidia produces
worthy meteor
need some breakout game to be on another engine that offers better terms to devs
rancid juniper
The epic revolt
perfect
worthy meteor
it needs to both be popular with gamers and with devs
lone mango
Epic revolt of nevermore because it is not happening
upper rain
i suspect eventually gaming will be the bankrollers for RTG's UDNA enterprise solutions for a while until they get their feet in the door. then much like what happened with Geforce, we'll be RTG's second class consumers lol
lone mango
rancid juniper
it needs to both be popular with gamers and with devs
really hard shoes to fill
upper rain
there really is not much to be done unless market factors shift
rancid juniper
and making a game engine is never easy
upper rain
so i choose not to worry about it
fresh timber
Free power
lone mango
really hard shoes to fill
Maybe even boots
hoary zodiac
Free power
Where did you hide the battery
worthy meteor
i suspect eventually gaming will be the bankrollers for RTG's UDNA enterprise so...
they need something new, every time someone gets cuda to work on AMD hardware, they get forced out with legal threats lol
until AMD gets some big breakthrough, gamers can rest easy with AMD having to focus on gamers for their profits
rancid juniper
until AMD gets some big breakthrough, gamers can rest easy with AMD having to fo...
upper rain
yeah for sure, that's what i mean. we're just the means to an end. we'll probably be that means for a while, but as soon as Radeon gets their foot in the door, we're right back where we started
hoary zodiac
Which is all the more reason to not give the corpos any slack
upper rain
imo RTG probably has more of an opening now than they have in a while, considering blackwell really isn't any good. if AMD produces another exceptional architecture that also scales to enterprise scale, and Nvidia doesn't massively overperform (seems unlikely since they're already on a very high end node), Radeon might manage to squeak out a win. and from there you just compound interest. the big question is which company will be able to spit out new architectures faster
upper rain
Which is all the more reason to not give the corpos any slack
yeah i'm with you on that. i just don't see a point in complaining. i'll just not buy a product if i think it sucks, because i don't want it
hoary zodiac
I don't see a point in not complaining
It's funny to make fun of the big corporation
upper rain
bc the market factors at play are simply bigger than gaming marketshare combined, it's just a waste of breath
fresh timber
rancid juniper
I don't see a point in not complaining
NgreedAI
AMDumb
Shintel
upper rain
it's funny to poke fun (12v high failure rate for example), but beyond that i loathe the doompoasting
rancid juniper
the big three
hoary zodiac
Where was the doomposting
fresh timber
NgreedAI
AMDumb
Shintel
Ampeak
worthy meteor
doomposting is how we take away nvidia's mindshare :p
fresh timber
rancid juniper
Nvidia could have an issue where the GPU blows up someone's house and they'll still buy it
you can't win
π
fresh timber
I love you
worthy meteor
nah i'd win
hoary zodiac
What we should do is
fresh timber
Nvidia could have an issue where the GPU blows up someone's house and they'll st...
Hi pookie
tranquil pebble
about to try ghostwire tokyo on my laptop
runs better than Discord lol
hoary zodiac
We should take the caucasus
hoary zodiac
We get the oil
rancid juniper
lol
hoary zodiac
And we win the war
worthy meteor
We should take the caucasus
when has that ever worked
fresh timber
????????????
I heard you have oil
rancid juniper
I don't have oil
fresh timber
I don't have oil
Correct you have oil
rancid juniper
πΏ
upper rain
Nvidia could have an issue where the GPU blows up someone's house and they'll st...
tbh i think AMD is definitely takimg marketshare this gen. people are willing to pay more for a 9070 xt over 5070 ti's, which is... insane. not only is one obviously radeon, but the radeon card is also worse lmao
hoary zodiac
It's not insane
upper rain
plus there is like 0 blackwell supply, whereas AMD is producing more than usual
fresh timber
tbh i think AMD is definitely takimg marketshare this gen. people are willing to...
Silly
hoary zodiac
It's word of mouth marketing
upper rain
it's insane to pay more for a worse product methinks
hoary zodiac
It's the same logic that leads people to buy a 4070ti when the 7900xt was cheaper
upper rain
the phenomenon as a whole makes sense, but the individual decisions are mental
upper rain
It's the same logic that leads people to buy a 4070ti when the 7900xt was cheape...
equally mental lol
but more understandable bc Nvidia moment
hoary zodiac
Individuals aren't exactly known for critical thinking these days
upper rain
true
crimson scroll
Should i try to trade my 4090 for a car or something lol
tranquil pebble
Why are USB NVMe enclosures for TB/USB 4 so damn expensive?
upper rain
Should i try to trade my 4090 for a car or something lol
a car body maybe
worthy meteor
r/hoi4 is an interesting place
I feel like the best part of the Caucasus campaign was when some mountaineers climbed mount elbrus and hitler called to ask wtf they were doing lol
crimson scroll
a car body maybe
Im looking at bikes n cars missing stuff
fresh timber
Why are USB NVMe enclosures for TB/USB 4 so damn expensive?
Cause thunderbolt
hoary zodiac
a car body maybe
The steel is worth more
crimson scroll
Kinda a fair trade LOL
worthy meteor
technically they did get past the cacausus
upper rain
The steel is worth more
yeah lmao
tranquil pebble
Cause thunderbolt
$200 to $300 is absurd though
rancid juniper
tbh i think AMD is definitely takimg marketshare this gen. people are willing to...
XD, i mean I've already seen impressive sources where a crazy overclocked 9070xt can match an RTX 5080
so theres value behind it
fresh timber
$200 to $300 is absurd though
Tb tax
hoary zodiac
technically they did get past the cacausus
That's what napoleon said about taking moscow
And then they lost anyways
upper rain
XD, i mean I've already seen impressive sources where a crazy overclocked 9070xt...
my 9070 non XT is not that far off from 5080 performance, but it's hardmodded
it's uhhhh
27% faster than stock iirc
worthy meteor
tbh i think AMD is definitely takimg marketshare this gen. people are willing to...
tbf mindfactory data shows us a very positive outlook for AMD GPUs rn lol
rancid juniper
27% faster than stock iirc
dayum
upper rain
tbf mindfactory data shows us a very positive outlook for AMD GPUs rn lol
mhm for sure
i think AMD might genuinely be outproducing GeForce
worthy meteor
close to 10x 50xx sales lol
upper rain
insanity
what's crazy is that even so, MSRP models for a lot of Nvidia cards are abundant
worthy meteor
both sides are promising increasing production but we'll have to see what happens
upper rain
people just don't buy then seemingly
hoary zodiac
People don't do research
upper rain
both sides are promising increasing production but we'll have to see what happen...
i kinda believe radeon, provided they can procure more capacity. but Nvidia would just produce extra GB200 is they were smart
worthy meteor
the US market is now looking like how foreign markets previously looked with everyone else starting to get MSRP models and US getting none lol
upper rain
People don't do research
tbf i'd take a $650 9070 over a $550 5070 too, but neither are amazingly appealing
upper rain
and then you have intel...
Impressive showing from their B580, nothing else
impressive is not the word i would use lol
impressive that they continue to lose money on them i suppose
worthy meteor
i kinda believe radeon, provided they can procure more capacity. but Nvidia woul...
but Nvidia straight up has more reserved wafers from TSMC too, so it's hard to say who ends up having more wafers for consumer GPUs
upper rain
but Nvidia straight up has more reserved wafers from TSMC too, so it's hard to s...
tru, but afaik Radeon Instinct is a fraction of the enterprise market, so that must also be considered
rancid juniper
impressive is not the word i would use lol
reason i say that is because its their second gen card, and is somehow competing with popular offerings from other well established gpu companies. I'd expect it to be way worse than it should be
this is a company known for their bad performing igpus lol
crimson scroll
Fair trade for my 4090? Lol
rancid juniper
Fair trade for my 4090? Lol
sussiest post
upper rain
reason i say that is because its their second gen card, and is somehow competing...
i guess, but i mean, if Radeon threw like 1200mm^2 of silicon at the 7900 XTX, i'm sure they could have beaten the 4090. i wouldn't call it "impressive" to perform worse than your competitor on a similar node with vastly more silicon
rancid juniper
Needs a ton of repaira
no lowballs "I know what I got"
hoary zodiac
Nobody was
upper rain
Radeon wasn't expecting nvidia to troll this gen
i don't think nvidia expected it either
rancid juniper
i guess, but i mean, if Radeon threw like 1200mm^2 of silicon at the 7900 XTX, i...
true
nvidia really said: "How should i mess with the consumer this year?"
hoary zodiac
Radeon's core consumer base has always been bang for the buck gaming
They were most likely just trying to maximise profit in their corner of the market
Radeon historically couldn't compete with high end nvidia
upper rain
Radeon wasn't expecting nvidia to troll this gen
i have mixed feelings on radeon not going high end. i really wish we could see how Radeon's RT performance scales in the future, because i think that defines how good the architecture is. they managed to exceed TSMC's nominal density estimates, but not really compete with Nvidia on a per mm^2 of die space basis. they're close, but behind. if they can maintain a strong presense in RT performance then i think we chalk that up to GDDR6, which is a design choice, not a flaw. otherwise it seems they've once again thrown more hardware at a problem wothout nailing the architecture properly
blackwell on the other hand is a total failure imo
hoary zodiac
The thing is
upper rain
blackwell on the other hand is a total failure imo
we have performance regressions often times lol
hoary zodiac
If this was a normal generation
Radeon's strategy makes total sense
It's a valid strategy on paper
Consolidate market share
upper rain
Radeon's strategy makes total sense
i think making better architectures cheaper via fewer products is better than throwing more hardware for less money at the problem
upper rain
The vast majority of gamers won't be buying 5090s
the 9070 xt is bigger than a 4080 and underperforms it narrowly
effectively the same node
that's my point
frigid stag
well theres more to it than just tsms node
ryzen was smaller node than intel and was still losing
9nm or whatever losing to 22nm
frigid stag
haswell/e
hoary zodiac
wasn't TSMC 7nm the same size of 14nm+++
upper rain
well theres more to it than just tsms node
i'm making a financial argument more than anything. AMD is presumably spending more money to produce worse products that sell for lower prices
hoary zodiac
node sizes also aren't that straightforward either
upper rain
i'd rather they just really really nail an architecture and spit out like a single die
frigid stag
π€
unreal trail
π
hoary zodiac
are they worse products?
upper rain
are they worse products?
9070 xt is uniformly worse than 4080, yes
upper rain
in both RT, raster, upscaling, technology support, software, acceleration, etc.
pliant berry
INTEL ARC WILL SAVE US ALL
hoary zodiac
as a product the 9070XT does what it's intended to do
unreal trail
INTEL ARC WILL SAVE US ALL
theo wishes
upper rain
sure, but i'd like if they at least managed to match Nvidia performance per die area
bc selling more silicon for less money doesn't work in the longrun
hoary zodiac
disagree
upper rain
Kepler was bankrolled by expensive fermi cards that sold worse volume vs Radeon's GPUs. because Radeon sold them for dirt, and lost the RND race as a result
we have a case study for this already
hoary zodiac
yet look at where they are now
upper rain
because although it was a more expensive node, it was tiny
upper rain
yet look at where they are now
yeah, because they won on margins lol
which radeon is not. ergo, my entire thesis here
if anything, Ryzen is a case study for why the current RTG strategy doesn't work
RTG is intel in this example, not Ryzen
junior willow
im thinking about buying this pc which apparantly "powers on" but none of the ports work
including the ones on the gpu
no idea what the issue could be but it sounds not very good
hoary zodiac
that sounds like a paperweight
crimson scroll
im thinking about buying this pc which apparantly "powers on" but none of the po...
Might get lucky and it just be a cpu ram or mobo problem
junior willow
its 100 dollars and from what i can tell it has a 12gb 2060 in it
junior willow
that sounds like a paperweight
im sayin
i offered 85 bc i am NOT paying 100 for a possible bricked pc, i doubt they have a surge protector so it might be cooked, but it apparantly "powers on"
hoary zodiac
that could just mean that a fan spins
junior willow
yeah true
he hasnt responded so im assuming he wont take my offer, but his loss i suppose
hoary zodiac
if it worked than they would've said "boots to windows"
junior willow
yeah this person doesnt seem particularly pc knowledgeable
hoary zodiac
could be a dead motherboard at the very least
junior willow
besides apparantly NO ports work, so they cant even get a display image out of it
hoary zodiac
or in the worst case
everything fried
at which case you would have a $85 paperweight
junior willow
fr thats what im scared of
hoary zodiac
this is why we don't recommend buying hardware labelled as faulty
it's essentially gambling
for cases like this
junior willow
i keep remembering you cant fix a pc like you can fix a vehicle
hoary zodiac
you can
junior willow
yes but not as easily
hoary zodiac
you just need expensive equipment
junior willow
yeah the NORMAL person cant
hoary zodiac
exactly
which is why I'm not a fan of LTT's whole "buy broken hardware and fix it" thing
they make money even if the parts don't work
they don't care
sinful blade
My cpu wonβt do anything 
upper rain
fr thats what im scared of
if the case is worth anything then it's not a total bust. can probs harvest fans and ram and stuff from it too
hoary zodiac
might want to post a copy in the other chat too
sinful blade
No video output, no motherboard connections(usb, Ethernet, etc)
But everything powers on and works.
upper rain
which is why I'm not a fan of LTT's whole "buy broken hardware and fix it" thing
yeah this is extremely stupid unless you have a soldering iron, hot air station, and the skills to use them
sinful blade
Tested it in two different systems, same issue applies.
upper rain
which i assume all of four people in the LTT audience do lol
hoary zodiac
No video output, no motherboard connections(usb, Ethernet, etc)
But everything ...
the motherboards definitely work?
crimson scroll
3080 build for 2k
junior willow
if the case is worth anything then it's not a total bust. can probs harvest fans...
yeah the guy didnt mention what it had in it so idk if it has anything good, unfortunately it looks like he tried to troubleshoot it because in the pic the GPU is unplugged
sinful blade
the motherboards definitely work?
Yup. Everything works with a 3600 in it.
hoary zodiac
3080 build for 2k
that's not worth 2k new
crimson scroll
that's not worth 2k new
π yea
upper rain
yeah the guy didnt mention what it had in it so idk if it has anything good, unf...
could be a good sign tbh. as long as he didn't get too "creative" it might just be a case of simple user error on otherwise functional parts
junior willow
i dunno he might have been an idiot and then tried to troubleshoot it and just gave up
upper rain
yah
hoary zodiac
then he would probably know more about the extent of the issues
perhaps it's just more cost effective to sell it
than to repair it
which would imply that there's a possibility that most of the parts are dead
upper rain
how it feels selling completely dead hardware as "untested" on ebay
junior willow
maybe, but now that im looking at the pics, either the cable management is goated OR there are no cables that i can see
junior willow
atp the curiousity must be eating at you, no?
IT IS
he better either just respond to my offer
idc if he rejects it i just wish he'd respond
hoary zodiac
that's $85 down the drain
rancid juniper
money
junior willow
i hope you get it bc i want to know what's in the lootbox pc
my gambling addiction is tweaking
upper rain
my gambling addiction is tweaking
you will surely not regret purchasing the lootbox pc
junior willow
i agree
icy ore
fresh timber
Yup. Everything works with a 3600 in it.
Bios?
lone mango
Imagine if amd releases a ryzen 11 with all of the zen 6 cores activated instead of increasing core counts for everyone
Welcome back intel (2013)
upper rain
Imagine if amd releases a ryzen 11 with all of the zen 6 cores activated instead...
at least we'll get the two IOD cores hopefully
lone mango
You mean memory controllers
pliant berry
I just realized I have bought 9 various pairs of headphones, earbuds, and speakers over the years 
proud jackal
I just realized I have bought 9 various pairs of headphones, earbuds, and speake...
Same
pliant berry
and I just bought a new amp.. I might have a problem
lone mango
Me buying $25 iems and being satisfied
pliant berry
I was supposed to be saving up for my nikon z8's
sinful blade
I love having an F in my college class because I canβt afford the mandatory program needed to do any of the assignments, and my teacher nor my advisor will answer any emails, WOOOOOOO
sinful blade
sinful blade
how much is the program??
Itβs $100, and itβs only week 2 of my semester.
I donβt have the spare money to afford it lmao
pliant berry
oh that's a bit of a wacky start, I mean it's not terrible most i've spent of textbook/online programs is around 80
sinful blade
Lucky.
pliant berry
I prefer when they assign textbooks though so.. well you know
fresh timber
Itβs $100, and itβs only week 2 of my semester.
Maybe itβs time to return the cpu cause itβs faulty
sinful blade
Maybe itβs time to return the cpu cause itβs faulty
I canβt, cuz now the buyer isnβt responding 
fresh timber
Contact eBay support
sinful blade
Thatβs what Iβve done
They need the buyer to respond:))))))
lone mango
upper rain
I love having an F in my college class because I canβt afford the mandatory prog...
how much is it? and can you pirateacquire legitimately?
sinful blade
Iβm so tired man
sinful blade
how much is it? and can you ~~pirate~~acquire legitimately?
$100, and itβs CompTIA. Itβs only through a product code that seems to only exist on their website.
upper rain
ah i see
lone mango
Im a comptia hater fr
upper rain
so less of a cost thing more of a lack of code thing
extremely suboptimal
sorry to hear it dude
sinful blade
They also expire
pliant berry
schools now screw you over by using online portals with the required texts and homeworks. no way to obtain by other means unless you hack your way into the class
sinful blade
schools now screw you over by using online portals with the required texts and h...
Literally
I canβt afford to fail, but I canβt afford the program
sinful blade
what comptia course is it?
Info tech
misty sparrow
only one I did was IT+
pliant berry
me and all my friends were really cheap so we all went to local schools that could be attended for less than free and pay little to nothing out of pocket for any required resources. didn't really want to go into debt for school
lone mango
True
fresh timber
pliant berry
I didn't even do all 4 years but I felt I got about all I could from college. Won't say I didn't enjoy some of it but I am too tired at this point. huge hassle to work and attend school full time
lone mango
I am enrolling in 3 summer classes because I thought that I was on track for a whole year
Turns out
My school needs even more money
frigid stag
college is just a big scam
Not really
Depends what you do
Some people go and do some degree that no one hires for like Viking studies or whatever and then say itβs a βscamβ
pliant berry
Depends what you do
well that's the problem. some just push you through whatever and you don't take a minute to look at what you are doing and if you even like it
icy ore
I love having an F in my college class because I canβt afford the mandatory prog...
was referring to this
but also disagree
tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands is bs lol
esp when it comes to getting a job that requires a bachelors and then pays $35k
- 10 yrs of experience
somehow
lol
frigid stag
well that's the problem. some just push you through whatever and you don't take ...
I mean there is a bit of time to decide some people do undecided for a while
pliant berry
yeah but how many just go into business or comp sci because it's popular. finish the degree and then think 'hmm maybe I actually want to try something else' lol
fresh timber
I picked something in college cause it looks fun and I have nothing better to do
misty sparrow
college is just a big scam
what's the alternative?
fresh timber
what's the alternative?
Not having a girlfriend
icy ore
what's the alternative?
not having an alternative doesn't make something not a scam
oligarchy
fresh timber
not having an alternative doesn't make something not a scam
How is it a scam
frigid stag
Itβs not a scam lmao
frigid stag
Some people go and do some degree that no one hires for like Viking studies or w...
^^^
fresh timber
I donβt want somebody with no college degree doing surgery on me
frigid stag
I picked something in college cause it looks fun and I have nothing better to do
Comp sci?
fresh timber
I donβt want somebody with out a degree telling me what drugs to take unless their my mommy
frigid stag
Sure why not
cursive oasis
free windows 11 is pretty cool. no watermark, and the only bad thing is that you cant make ur own wallpaper
icy ore
didn't say that you shouldn't go to college I just wish the generic properties of going to college were more affordable and easily obtainable as oppposed to how much money you have upon entering college is how succesful you'll be
cursive oasis
but just use a wallpaper program like Wallpaper engine and ur good
fresh timber
Computer Network Support Specialist, Certificate of Achievement
fresh timber
didn't say that you *shouldn't* go to college I just wish the generic properties...
Its looking pretty affordable to me right now
frigid stag
but just use a wallpaper program like Wallpaper engine and ur good
Maybe donβt do that
It takes up resources
pliant berry
wallpaper engine doesn't take up too much
frigid stag
Just download some 4k wallpapers and youβre chilling
fresh timber
Dual gpu go brrr sometimes
cursive oasis
dont put the settings too high
cursive oasis
plus, this is under the assumption that u dont have a windows 11 key, and you cant change the normal wallpaper
fresh timber
If you donβt run a 2015 potato pc your fine
frigid stag
Itβs just bloatware to me, I donβt need to see an animated anime figure on my screen moving all the time
cursive oasis
i mean, yes it is A LOT of anime wallpapers, but there are some cool non anime ones
this is my wallpaper, the logo rotates
pliant berry
Itβs just bloatware to me, I donβt need to see an animated anime figure on my sc...
YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND I NEEEED IT
but fr it uses less resources than discord
random osprey
i need a hatsune miku concert playing 24/7 for my desktop πΏ
pliant berry
that's not saying much though
fresh timber
but fr it uses less resources than discord
Discord uses so much ram
frigid stag
but fr it uses less resources than discord
Oh ye discord is so much bloat
frigid stag
And they wonder why people use custom clients
Some servers even ban you for that X-D
cursive oasis
whats Floorp
lone mango
But they wont know unless you send a screenshot i guess
cursive oasis
sounds like an alien internet browser
frigid stag
They act like discord pays them to stop people
lone mango
I have 29 tabs and it only takes up 1.3
fresh timber
lone mango
Because only like 6 are loaded
lone mango
Yeah its typically around there for me but for some reason more memory is being taken up
Like 6-700 or something
cedar compass
crimson scroll
might want to make sure your passwords are reset, 2fa setup, etc
Ughhh
No
My password was in a data leak a year ago
Too lazy to reset it
Finnaly caught up to me
Discord locked it
lone mango
6 messages hidden from likely spammer.
crimson scroll
BRUH
cedar compass
fresh timber
he got hacked
dense locust
Or if they think youβre a scammer
crimson scroll
I think discord does that if you use a third party discord client
I dont have a discord on pc
lone mango
Thank you discord for blocking this spammer for me
dense locust
I can see them scamming people
lone mango
Clearly this is a lot of spam
crimson scroll
I used a bowl for my ramen
fresh timber
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PtXQNz @lone mango can i find a cheaper psu for this, 650w probably sense i know that can power my potential future upgrades
crimson scroll
(My ramen comes in pre made bowls)
dense locust
Weirdly it only hides messages from scammers on pc not mobile discord
lone mango
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PtXQNz <@308023772412116995> can i find a cheaper ...
Yeah psu prices are weird
You can buy 850w for like $20 more lol
Not much you can save really
Oh
Well this is fully modular at least
Power supplies went up in price a little bit
Probably because of the new cards that came out
crimson scroll
Weirdly it only hides messages from scammers on pc not mobile discord
Omg js shut up brih
acoustic palm
huh
lone mango
lone mango
@fresh timber Yeah so below that price you get mon-modular units that are lower wattage
sharp charm
So my most recent gaming device is a wii u and with Nintendo making games 90 dollars and Xbox starting to do the same I decided that I am going to switch to pc
fresh timber
Not much you can save really
damn
sharp charm
But I don't know where to start
fresh timber
<@929166408930189362> Yeah so below that price you get mon-modular units that ar...
a non modular will surfice with this build
lone mango
Hold on
acoustic palm
But I don't know where to start
depends what your budget is
fresh timber
i have a semi modular in the same case right now lol
just ziptie the cables and run them to the back
lone mango
Im not a psu expert but there is something im looking up rn
sharp charm
depends what your budget is
Basically hopes and dreams
acoustic palm
number?
sharp charm
I want to know what to save up for
fresh timber
i would do 500w but i doubt a 500w psu would enjoy a 13600kf and rx6600 toghter
acoustic palm
uh... what do you wanna play
sharp charm
Minecraft with mods
fresh timber
i give that build my 13600kf when i upgrade
sharp charm
Also warthunder
acoustic palm
Minecraft with mods
what mods, and anything else
fresh timber
how many mods
lone mango
i would do 500w but i doubt a 500w psu would enjoy a 13600kf and rx6600 toghter
Well I had I think a 500 or 550 with my 2600 and 580
6600 uses 100w
Shouldnt be too bad
fresh timber
the current 500w psu i have turns off with my 13600kf 
\
sharp charm
Create mod
lone mango
the current 500w psu i have turns off with my 13600kf <:kek:1066556172116709407>...
The hell
acoustic palm
Create mod
i mean thats not too intensive
sharp charm
Don't know what else but when I mod games I don't know where to stop
fresh timber
6600 uses 100w
true, i dont see my self upgrading the gpu in that build for a while
maybe a 5060 or something if those end up being good prices
versed marlin
Why is market so weird idk what to get prebuilt or build myself
acoustic palm
youd be fine with like a 5600x + 6700xt, or even 6600/6600xt
fresh timber
excuse to buy 14700k for main rig and give gf pc it
fresh timber
youd be fine with like a 5600x + 6700xt, or even 6600/6600xt
n100+4090
sharp charm
I just want get a small pc that can actually work better than my wii u
sharp charm
I struggle to run lego movie video game on my computer rnπ₯²
acoustic palm
I just want get a small pc that can actually work better than my wii u
wdym small pc
fresh timber
steamdeck, small pc that works better than wii U
sharp charm
Like something compact
acoustic palm
those get expensive if your wanting a pc
sharp charm
I am getting a steamdeck
lone mango
true, i dont see my self upgrading the gpu in that build for a while
Corsair cx is c tier and is $10 less
sharp charm
But I also want to know how to build a pc it would really help me learn how to troubleshoot and stuff
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lone mango
$70
fresh timber
mhh $10 less isnt much of a price decrease anyways
ill just keep the current psu
i forgot about fans, ill worry about those later
lone mango
Yeah psu prices be like that
lone mango
cedar compass
just why 
I mean b580 is probably about to die anyways if amd releases 9060 for cheap
crimson scroll
Am i still spammer
sharp charm
So couldn't I technically make a computer with no case
cedar compass
Am i still spammer
yes
sharp charm
Why is that a bad idea
cedar compass
crimson scroll
Password was in a data leak a year ago never reset password until discord made me
Thanks apple
cedar compass
I getting that data leak emails sometimes and not taking it curious lol
lone mango
I mean b580 is probably about to die anyways if amd releases 9060 for cheap
Probably not
b580 still probably cheaper if at msrp and has more vram
Ironically
crimson scroll
I getting that data leak emails sometimes and not taking it curious lol
Apple told me discord made me reser it
Like actual apple told me when i go to my password manager
lone mango
So couldn't I technically make a computer with no case
Technically yeah
sharp charm
Bad idea though right
ancient swift
Are the new drivers good for 30 series cards? pretty sure the last few have been bad.
Wanted to know for Doom lul
sinful blade
@sharp charm whatβs a reasonable budget for you?
sharp charm
I don't have a budget yet
I'm just trying to see what the average price is gonna be
Expensive I know
fresh timber
well
sinful blade
How does $800 sound? Like is that amount something you can reasonably get within a month?
sharp charm
My brother's is going to let me buy it off him for 100
But it crashes often
My laptop can barely run minecraft at lowest graphics
I am on a potato
sinful blade
How does $800 sound? Like is that amount something you can reasonably get within...
.
sharp charm
Don't even know it's specs
acoustic palm
800$ is abt what id go for
BUT, if you want smth small (like rly small) its gonna be expensive
sharp charm
Do numbers in the names of graphic cards mean anything
acoustic palm
800$ build (Matx, not itx) would be like
sharp charm
BUT, if you want smth small (like rly small) its gonna be expensive
So small is expensive, but large is expensive too
lone mango
6700 xt
acoustic palm
9600x cpu
lone mango
If you are lucky
sharp charm
I literally don't know anything
acoustic palm
I literally don't know anything
Pretty good cpu, pretty good gpu
Will do all you need it to do
acoustic palm
So small is expensive, but large is expensive too
Tiny is expensive, mid size is cheap, large is⦠kinda expensive but not more than tiny
hoary zodiac
Do you guys know the definition of insanity
acoustic palm
What did bro do
fresh timber
u can get itx for cheap if u try hard
sharp charm
Do something repeatedly and expecting different results
lone mango
Nvidia pricing
hoary zodiac
I hate integration
acoustic palm
u can get itx for cheap if u try hard
Meh
acoustic palm
I hate integration
Damn
sharp charm
So what's the difference between Nvidia and amd
hoary zodiac
Gonna optimize it
acoustic palm
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jrDYt3
Why not 9600x combos
sharp charm
What other companies are there
fresh timber
nvidia has cuda and optmizations for alot of software, amd is video games go brr, thats the basic tldr
acoustic palm
What other companies are there
For gpu? Intel but thatβsβ¦ eh
sinful blade
Why not 9600x combos
5600x will satisfy his needs
fresh timber
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jrDYt3
acoustic palm
5600x will satisfy his needs
Better to go with a 9600x
fresh timber
if a 9600x fits budget why not
fresh timber
Than the 5600X
5600 is faster
sinful blade
I just whipped somethin up
You guys can optimize it
lone mango
Lower boost clocks i think
sharp charm
For gpu? Intel but thatβsβ¦ eh
I have a Intel celeoron something,it "can" play some of my games,but I'm not even pulling 60 fps out of them
And their not that heavy of games
Buts that's cause I would blue screen my computer if I tried to play forza or anything that's not an indie game
acoustic palm
I have a Intel celeoron something,it "can" play some of my games,but I'm not eve...
Celeron is incredibly bad
hoary zodiac
hoary zodiac
Mfw dual core
lone mango
1440p indie gaming
crimson scroll
Bro i was banned from jayztwocents server why
lone mango
1 message hidden from likely spammer.
crimson scroll
1 message hidden from likely spammer.
Dude we get it you dont have to repeat it 50 times
acoustic palm
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/prvrh7
Heβs asking for 800
sharp charm
Celeron is incredibly bad
I looked up the specs and it said I could barely run a 32bit game at 30 fps
hoary zodiac
$800 budget? Alr
acoustic palm
I looked up the specs and it said I could barely run a 32bit game at 30 fps
Yup
Itβs very bad
This will be significantly better
lone mango
Yeah its just too much for 800
acoustic palm
The GPU will have to be $50 cheaper
Well his budget is flexible
hoary zodiac
I mean
acoustic palm
At 900$ am5 is possible
hoary zodiac
The gpu is the easiest way to reduce the budget
hoary zodiac
$850 is doable
versed marlin
Can anybody help me with monitors
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hoary zodiac
Can anybody help me with monitors
hoary zodiac
crimson scroll
And what does ram do
Memory
hoary zodiac
What is the difference between gpu and cpu
The CPU does most of the processing, where the GPU is specifically for graphics (or other compute tasks)
sharp charm
The CPU does most of the processing, where the GPU is specifically for graphics ...
So then what's a graphics card
hoary zodiac
It renders graphics
lone mango
The cpu handles logical, complex operations while the gpu handles more parallel operations like graphics
The graphics hard has the gpu and other components in it
cedar compass
more 4tb ssd 
hoary zodiac
Excellent answer
hoary zodiac
GPU is interchangeable with graphics card in a terminology sense
But in the technical sense it's technically not the same
cedar compass
few more Aviable https://www.ebay.com/itm/226748507256
lone mango
So when you open a program, thats the cpu
When you download or compress something, thats the cpu
sharp charm
Am I allowed to post pictures in this channel
lone mango
Gotta level up
sharp charm
Wait I can't post what the heck
lone mango
versed marlin
versed marlin
sharp charm
Nintendo being greedy has put me down this path
versed marlin
Yall can use this gif
lone mango
Repost this gif
sharp charm
I used to thing pc gamers were weird
hoary zodiac
Nintendo is in its own genre
sharp charm
But I understand now
hoary zodiac
They have a monopoly because they actually have something to offer
Unlike PS5 and Xbox these days
Nintendo have a better range of exclusives
But as a company
Nintendo sucks
sharp charm
Game prices on consoles are just too expensive
hoary zodiac
You can also play *some console games on pc so
frigid stag
No wonder consoles are so cheap
hoary zodiac
You get a massive library of games on pc
frigid stag
You have to pay to play online games too that you paid for already
sharp charm
Plus I can emulate old consoles too
lone mango
Consoles are cheap but have expensive games and online costs, while getting a pc equivalent will cost more but has cheaper games and no online pay to play
frigid stag
Or maybe itβs 2
sharp charm
Should build a pc or just buy a pre-built one
frigid stag
If youβre asking then build
hoary zodiac
Depends on the budget
versed marlin
Depends on the budget
The budget is 1500 letβs just say that
lone mango
Should build a pc or just buy a pre-built one
again, how much do you want to spend
frigid stag
Build is always better
hoary zodiac
Building is better if it's more cost effective
In extreme budget cases a used optiplex can be cheaper
sharp charm
My setup rn
lone mango
But still there are some rare cases where prebuilts win
crimson scroll
Thats what gpu is graphics processing unit cpu is central proccessing unit
hoary zodiac
It's only the extreme low end where prebuilts make sense
crimson scroll
Thats what gpu is graphics processing unit cpu is central proccessing unit
WHY DIDNT IT REPLY
lone mango
As a matter of fact my brothers computer was cheaper as a prebuilt than if we built it ourselves
hoary zodiac
I say extreme low end
But an optiplex with a 5700xt is still capable
Or maybe 7600 for psu reason
3060ti?
Something like that
frigid stag
Eh I wouldnβt go that high end with them unless itβs cheap
sharp charm
Tinspire graphics calculator
hoary zodiac
Well here's the thing
frigid stag
Thereβs newer optiplexes but they cost more too
frigid stag
Iβm thinking of the haswell/ ivy bridge ones
hoary zodiac
I'm thinking coffee lake
frigid stag
Those could probably work
sharp charm
The what now <a:sobbing:1134964697238622269> <a:sobbing:1134964697238622269> <a:...
Texas instruments
lone mango
Gaming calculator
hoary zodiac
Will be decent in an extreme budget scenario
sharp charm
Rgbs on calculator
hoary zodiac
Sure it's not the fastest
But for that budget
It punches above it's price category
sharp charm
Gaming calculator
Gameboy
lone mango
Goes hard
sharp charm
I never had a game boy I am a ds kid
sharp charm
I had the original ds
Ds lite but like you know what I mean
Like 2003 maybe? It was before I was born
lone mango
Ok so I have the ds lite then
That one has gameboy compatibility
The ds came out in 04
Lite 06
sharp charm
Here's my situation
Nope
Yep
Lags on some browser gamesπ
Are gaming laptops any cheaper than pcs
upper rain
Here's my situation
the chromebook CPU
i've used so many of those and i wanted to kill myself every single time
hoary zodiac
Are gaming laptops any cheaper than pcs
Not necessarily
lone mango
Are gaming laptops any cheaper than pcs
If you are lucky, but no not really
Depends really
proud jackal
lone mango
Laptops vary a lot
sharp charm
I actually think my chromebook ran better than my current computer
hoary zodiac
Depends on the market
hoary zodiac
I actually think my chromebook ran better than my current computer
That's because it's not trying to run windows on a e-waste cpu
sharp charm
There is one good thing about this though
hoary zodiac
Like many other laptops do
sharp charm
I am not on mac
lone mango
Chromebook is linux
sharp charm
I heard mac is bad for games
hoary zodiac
macs aren't meant for games
fresh timber
Macs aren't e-waste
i might get a mac for college
hoary zodiac
They're pretty good laptops
sharp charm
Well most Apple products are good
fresh timber
yeah
sharp charm
But I am an android guy I don't got iPhone money
lone mango
Their new laptops can game though
hoary zodiac
Proton
fresh timber
sharp charm
Damn
fresh timber
ooo
sharp charm
1k
crimson scroll
But I am an android guy I don't got iPhone money
Neither do i i begged my granny to affirm me a iphone was supposed to be a 11(smh) but she bought the X on accident
lone mango
Let me catch my son paying 1k for 256 gigs of storage
fresh timber
id get a windows laptop for that price anyways
fresh timber
Let me catch my son paying 1k for 256 gigs of storage
nas
