general-chat

[tranquil pebble]

hopefully this isn't the new normal where everyone has to fight over the scraps that AMD and Nvidia throw down

[peak heart]

Fr

[sage sluice]

all i have to say is im hard chillin with my gre

[tranquil pebble]

hello from a 2014 PC I acquired for $30

[fresh timber]

nas

[tranquil pebble]

it is getting Linux ASAP

[fresh timber]

microsoft discord copers would say it wont be easier to run

[tranquil pebble]

lol, Windows hits the CPU way harder for no good reason

[tight agate]

Just go it

After 1 month, got a graphic card

[tranquil pebble]

so far so good... EndeavorOS is booting UEFI mode on this old ProDesk

[lone mango]

[wise wigeon]

For 550 right?

Slightly worse than the 5070ti

[tight agate]

Well, it cost a bit more in Canada, but yeah.

[wise wigeon]

Right right

[tight agate]

I just can say that I got pretty lucky.

[wise wigeon]

Around the range of 5-8% slower

[tight agate]

Viewing the stocks at launch and everything.

[sage sluice]

ah mb

i meant 4080

[verbal minnow]

W DLSS vs FSR and RT the gap widens

[wise wigeon]

Well yeah but I assume people want the raster diff

[verbal minnow]

Ye im js adding

[worn wave]

with FSR4 the gap hasn't really widened, sorta just shifted forward by both sides

[sage sluice]

rt aint making my indie games go any faster

[unreal trail]

https://tenor.com/view/woona-vibin-catto-vibe-cat-mlem-gif-18638749

[wise wigeon]

It made progress

[sage sluice]

and corpos arent making games that make use of my rt enough for it to be an issue

that are good

[wise wigeon]

Just it has about the same hit to perf as the dlss4 transformer model

[sage sluice]

i can tell you the great circle has 0 hours of playtime on my pc

my pc could run it but i dont want it to lmao

[worn wave]

yeah I hope they make some refinements to gain back some perf

[wise wigeon]

But it is a nice shield to have

[sage sluice]

i mean yeah

[wise wigeon]

I’m more concerned about wide implementation

[sage sluice]

7000 series amd doesnt have groundbreaking rt perf, but it does more than i ask of it

[wise wigeon]

40 games at launch is good for a AMD release

Still needs some progress though

[lone mango]

Considering it just came out its in a good spot

[wise wigeon]

Yeah it’s just the games it applies to is more limited

[lone mango]

In some scenarios its as good as dlss 4 and others 3.7 and averages in between the two

Great for a first release

[worn wave]

uhh, not that i've seen?

[lone mango]

Hub shows it’s basically in between the two

[wise wigeon]

The general consensus Ive seen is better that cnn model not as good as transformer

[lone mango]

Yeah

[worn wave]

The Digital foundry video showed it as roughly dlss CNN (3.x) quality at DLSS Transformer (4.x) performance hit

[sage sluice]

i will say it kills me that with the improvements with RT physics has completely jumped out the window lmao, how many games now that have rt have an actually well destructable environment?

[worn wave]

The Finals

[wise wigeon]

Still better progress that far3

[sage sluice]

good example

but there arent many

[worn wave]

and maybe Teardown?

but those are like the only 2 i cant think of

[sage sluice]

real time ray trace isnt as necessary as these companies present it

[wise wigeon]

I mean most games have light rt

[sage sluice]

for how we have games

[sage sluice]

most modern larger titles

which is a percentage of the many many games that dont

[wise wigeon]

Path tracing is a ways away but it’s a massive difference

[sage sluice]

path tracing is on a different level than raytracing

[worn wave]

for truely next-gen graphics I think it is. But right now I definitely think a bad or even mid RT implementation is worse than no RT

[wise wigeon]

Really depends on the game

Some games just have awful lighting

[sage sluice]

thats the thing tho. truly next gen. and the other thing is those graphics will never matter without good models, good scene structure, good joint mobility and good gameplay with good ai. theres so much to make that experience realistic that its just, not here

like look at outlaws for example

just the absurd lack of realism in the gameplay completely ruins any effect the lighting might have

[fierce grove]

chat any chance ill get eletrocuted while building my pc? (bouta built it tmr)

[worn wave]

as long as you don't open your PSU, no.

[sage sluice]

id rather have an older game that looks worse with intelligent character ai than good looking games with morrowind brained neanderthals

[fierce grove]

i was just gonna open my psu, thank you man

[sage sluice]

dont stick a fork in your outlet

[knotty girder]

yeah just build it with the psu plugged in

[fierce grove]

i was just gonna...

[fierce grove]

really? but wouldnt it be unneccessary since im not even done with the pc

[sage sluice]

if it makes you feel better if you just plug in your power supply and ocasionally touch it, it will ground you and protect your parts

[fierce grove]

do i gotta scratch the paint or smth, and tocuh it every 5 min?

[knotty girder]

if you want to get electrocuted build with psu plugged in*

[fierce grove]

ohhh

LOL

[worn wave]

that's not how it works

[fierce grove]

what isn

[worn wave]

plugging your PSU in while building will not electrocute you

[sage sluice]

You dont plug the psu into your mobo

Just turn it on and put it to the side

And youre only touching the shell anyway

[wise wigeon]

And touch it occasionally

Or just touch your case occasionally

[sage sluice]

But realistically its not really even necessary

[fierce grove]

oh nvm then

[wise wigeon]

Look honestly people give ltt a lot of crap but the pov build guide is pretty good

[sage sluice]

I build without grounding at all

[fierce grove]

by linus?

i think its pretty good until he gets to the part where you are suppose to connect those pins or wtv, the cpu cooler thingy, i dont know how to

[sage sluice]

For new builders def. Its crown is being engaging enough for unexperienced people

[fierce grove]

he wasnt that clear on it

[sage sluice]

The pins? You mean mounting the cpu?

[fierce grove]

not that

putting the cpu in that socket is ez

but yk the lil pins that be on the mobo side

those

[wise wigeon]

It’s the most nerve wracking part

[wise wigeon]

It changes per motherboard

[sage sluice]

You put so much pressure on that lil mf

[fierce grove]

is it really easy to mess up

[sage sluice]

When i first built i thought my cpu was too big LMAO

[wise wigeon]

Am5 latch scared me way more than lga 1200

[sage sluice]

Do you mean connecting the fan to the mobo?

And/or rgb?

[fierce grove]

these

[dusk knot]

Hhhhmmm

[wise wigeon]

I mean that’s like ten different things you’re pointing at

Also

[fierce grove]

the pins sorry

that part was confusing on the pov build

[wise wigeon]

Changes per motherboard

[sage sluice]

I think he knows that, just which ones

[wise wigeon]

And depends on the case too

[sage sluice]

Yurr

[wise wigeon]

Some cases have it all in one for front panel

[fierce grove]

i’m nervous about this

to mess up

[sage sluice]

Itx case you pretty much wanna do everything cable-wise before you put bulk in there

[wise wigeon]

Stop opening it bro

[fierce grove]

do you think i’ll mess it up

i’ll close it

[wheat grail]

web down?

[wise wigeon]

You’re just asking to drop you phone on it

[sage sluice]

Just dont poke it lol, or drop your phone when youre using it for light (i dropped my phone in it when using it for light)

[idle nexus]

don't be just line it up correctly

[sage sluice]

See he can relate LMAO

[idle nexus]

you see the little hecks on the sides?

[fierce grove]

apart from dropping my phone in it, inserting the cpu won’t be that easy to break it right?

so nervous bruh

[fierce grove]

wdym hecks

[wheat grail]

i think the whole server just went down

[sage sluice]

Just make sure its in correctly

[wise wigeon]

If you drop it lightly yeah

[wise wigeon]

If you drop it from inches up

[sage sluice]

And lower the cpu as far as you can

[idle nexus]

make sure those line up & you're chillin

[sage sluice]

And line it up with these yee

A sideways cpu is an unfortunate cpu

[idle nexus]

also, it's not as fragile as you think

[fierce grove]

bet

wait ima open it again to see if it’s good

[idle nexus]

I polished my CPU contacts

[fierce grove]

phew thank you

[wise wigeon]

See that triangle on the top left?

[sage sluice]

Not only that, you can technically unbend pins

Its just, hell

[idle nexus]

& I ripped the IHS off lol

[sage sluice]

Try to avoid needing to unbend pins

Speaking of that, dont pull on random cords when doing cable management either 💀

[fierce grove]

yes, that’s how i put in the cpu right? align it logo wise with the triangle

[wise wigeon]

Yeah your cpu is gonna have a gold triangle

[hazy zealot]

Is something going on with the newegg app? My accounts still there but my wish lists are gone and if i try to get into my account it says my account is in anonymous mode but doesn’t give me any way to change that

[fierce grove]

bett, also shutting the lid of the cpu socket, is it fragile? do i need close it at a very specific angle

[wise wigeon]

I mean we don’t work for Newegg tyger we just yap a lot

[sage sluice]

Cpu is the lid

But if you mean without the cpu, its fine

[idle nexus]

I still dunno what mysterious crap that was but I polished it with Fitz Polish & CPU worked agian lol

uh more embed fails

[sage sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[idle nexus]

willl it fail again

[sage sluice]

agony

[idle nexus]

ah heck there we go

[wise wigeon]

Just treat it with care man

[sage sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-gif-19276963

[wise wigeon]

I had a bit of paste get into am4 holes before

[sage sluice]

dont get your paste in the wrong holes guys

[idle nexus]

my first try, I destroyed an MSI Z490 Tomahawk socket

[fresh nova]

Hmm

[idle nexus]

so if you get it right first try, you're doing better than I did

[fierce grove]

i lift the socket up about 4-5 times already constantly checking it, and it all appeared fine

[hazy zealot]

I know. Just seeing if anyone else was having issues. Ngl, i was hoping the server might be crashing because they were restocking 9070’s. Lol

[wise wigeon]

Were they?

[fierce grove]

no way they restocking them

[idle nexus]

lol once it's in, leave it there lol

[wise wigeon]

That email about stock amounted to very very little

[hazy zealot]

Idk. Just a hope

[wise wigeon]

It was two models at $730 and $760

[fierce grove]

well i didn’t put the cpu in yet i am waiting for my parts

[hazy zealot]

Boo…

[wise wigeon]

And even the reaper msrp model jumped to $700 on Amazon

[idle nexus]

you can put it in already if you want to

the ILM will keep it there

[sage sluice]

wheres 620-630 xt

[wise wigeon]

Terrain you got pets?

[tranquil pebble]

EndeavorOS does not work on the HP desktop, so going to try Ubuntu

[fierce grove]

i got birds and fish but they don’t ever go in my room

[wise wigeon]

No cats that are gonna jump in a table and knock stuff over?

[sage sluice]

Heres my dog

[wise wigeon]

Do you have the psu?

[fierce grove]

the ILM is the lil black thing you lift right?

[wise wigeon]

And ram?

[fierce grove]

i have everything but the case and the psu

[wise wigeon]

Unlucky

[fierce grove]

they coming tmr

[wise wigeon]

Could tested it with the psu

[fierce grove]

tested what

[wise wigeon]

The pc

It’s honestly best if you test it out of the case

See if everything works

Because once it goes it the case things get much more annoying to deal with

Honestly since you have everything but the case and psu you could assemble everything else

[fierce grove]

i’m kinda scared to

okay

ima do it

[wise wigeon]

And have it ready to test when the psu comes in

[sage sluice]

i mean you gotta do it at some point lol

[wise wigeon]

At which point you just plug in two cables and the hdmi

And then you can see if it works

[fierce grove]

do you mind if we call and you help me plezzzz

[topaz crown]

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[wise wigeon]

Unless you have nowhere for the board to hang out

[fierce grove]

i got my bed

[wise wigeon]

Noo

[fierce grove]

bad idea? i’ve been on it like the entire time

[wise wigeon]

I just mean a general workspace

[fierce grove]

what about my carpet floor

[wise wigeon]

Ventus 5070 TJ on Msi store if yall want one

gi*

ti *

[fierce grove]

is that a workspace?

this is gonna be a pc for years, i don’t need one of those ngl

ok ima do the least nerve racking thing

the ram

[wise wigeon]

For some reasons Msi store is like hard for bots to deal with

[wise wigeon]

Because when I got my order that I cancelled through on Saturday I had time to make a whole new account and checkout

[fierce grove]

i’m putting it in the second and fourth one

i’m assuming

[dusk knot]

Hm

[wise wigeon]

God please put it on a box

[idle nexus]

put the RAM in so start building your confidence (2d & 4th slot from the left)

[dusk knot]

Carpet 💀

[fierce grove]

is that a bad idea

[dusk knot]

Carpet and electronics

Bruh

[fierce grove]

can’t be too bad can it

[idle nexus]

I've build a computer with socks on on carpet when it was cold with low humidity

[fierce grove]

i kinda have nothing else.

[idle nexus]

static discharge is a conspiracy lmao

[dusk knot]

De-techied

[wise wigeon]

Your motherboard box buddy

[idle nexus]

lol don't do that tho

[fierce grove]

ok lemme get

[idle nexus]

ya put it on motherboard box

[dusk knot]

[wise wigeon]

It’s literally the size of your motherboard

Man I was gonna take a nap

But I guess not

[sage sluice]

actually how many of yall have actually had any issues with static when building lmao

[wise wigeon]

10+ years of superstition does stuff to you

[idle nexus]

I would like to meet someone who's irreparably damaged a component because of static

[fierce grove]

i place in this order right

not upside down

2nd and 4th one

[wise wigeon]

It fits one way

[idle nexus]

you can install your M.2s if you have those also

[wise wigeon]

Eh some motherboards can be a bit goofy

[idle nexus]

it says 2nd & 4th on the board didn't it?

[wise wigeon]

Should have it on the board or manual

[idle nexus]

tbh tho

you can practice & what not

[fierce grove]

i just use a semi big force and it didn’t budge

bruh i’m scared

[idle nexus]

but when you install the CPU, it's slightly easier to have the RAM not in

[wise wigeon]

Buddy is it lined up?

[idle nexus]

open the clips

at the top & bottom of the RAM

you'll know if it's in cuz the clips will go back into place

[fierce grove]

i did

maybe i didn’t put enough force

i’m kinda scared to

[sage sluice]

dont use any big force until you know its required

[fierce grove]

should i

[wise wigeon]

It’s not lined up

[idle nexus]

flip it

lol in like 2007

I forced DDR4 into a DDR3 slot

[wise wigeon]

Bop it

[idle nexus]

& totaled the board

not even sure what board it was tbh

[fierce grove]

ohhh it works now

[idle nexus]

I knew nothing then

[sage sluice]

most of your system wont need much pressure for parts to go in

[fierce grove]

hopefully my force didn’t do anything bad

[sage sluice]

as long as nothing cracked you should be fine

youd know

[fierce grove]

bet

[wise wigeon]

Look you’ll start to learn pc building is rather idiot proof

If I can do it you can

[idle nexus]

what components are you still missing? case &, eh, I forget the other?

[wise wigeon]

Psu

[sage sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-cpu-kill-gif-22236310

[tranquil pebble]

tell that to the people who insert their AMD CPUs wrong

[wise wigeon]

So really they can get everything set up for testing tomorrow

[tranquil pebble]

lol

[sage sluice]

too much joker

self destruct in 5, 4

[idle nexus]

easy rule: if it's hard to do, you're probably doing it wrong

[fierce grove]

WWW???

[idle nexus]

except for tightening down CPU cooler

crank that hecker

[mental yoke]

and inserting ram

[idle nexus]

unless you can use a screwdriver

[tranquil pebble]

or pulling out a mobo power cord

[wise wigeon]

Eh some usb 3 are hella rough man

[mental yoke]

and plugging in psu connector

[sage sluice]

bro put the square piece in the square hole

[idle nexus]

in which case go easy on it

[mental yoke]

honestly u needa be rough with ur computer

once

[idle nexus]

lol 24-pin NEVER wants to let go

[dense locust]

“My pc doesn’t post did I do anything wrong”

[mental yoke]

then u wont need to chase half-seated connectors

[idle nexus]

usb 3 is terrible I hate it

[fierce grove]

what square piece

[mental yoke]

usb-c ports on the mobo suck too

[fierce grove]

my cpu doesn’t even have these

[sage sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/the-square-hole-square-hole-shapes-piklas-gif-24625312

[dense locust]

Then your motherboard has them

[wise wigeon]

Really depends on the case, my brohers fractal ridge was piss easy

[mental yoke]

i hate this thing

[tranquil pebble]

old molex power connectors sometimes were hard to pull as well

[mental yoke]

with a passion

[wise wigeon]

But my antec flux was not

[wise wigeon]

It’s one way

[mental yoke]

HATE

[idle nexus]

molex is so garbage in general

like the connection

great power source ig but lining up the 4 pins

they always seem to escape whatever is supposed to keep them in the plastic part

[tranquil pebble]

the connector itself sucks yeah

[wise wigeon]

Just look for which side is even on both sides and line it up

[dense locust]

makes usb c two way
usb c header:

[fierce grove]

chat i think this is good

[wise wigeon]

I was building for a family friend and wonder why it would go in

It arrived mangled

Fractal north case

[dense locust]

Pc building is far from idiot proof

[wise wigeon]

Eh

[idle nexus]

molex be like

[wise wigeon]

Compared to a lot of things

[sage sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cpu-hot-meat-yummy-gif-25343056

[wise wigeon]

Most things are labeled and go one way

[mental yoke]

building a computer is the first time a lot of people have 500$-3000$ worth of a single component sitting in their hand, i think its the worry of that point

[wise wigeon]

Bulldozer lol

[wise wigeon]

I still worry now

[mental yoke]

but its dum ez, go slow, red instruction, go

[dense locust]

Hot plate

[fierce grove]

plez help me, somebody said push the black squares into the holes and i did but only the right side square stays tight, the left doesn’t

[topaz crown]

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[wise wigeon]

Huh

[mental yoke]

did you break it

[fierce grove]

no shot i broke it that easy

[sage sluice]

by god if it's 3k youre a moron

[mental yoke]

trash plastic cpu backplates will break

[sage sluice]

well

nevermind

[mental yoke]

very easy

[dense locust]

But you’ll break them If you try to force them the other way

[sage sluice]

cpu

[fierce grove]

i’m taking the ram off

hollon

[mental yoke]

? 5090

[sage sluice]

well that fits into stupid ngl

[mental yoke]

not really

[sage sluice]

thats 1.5 times msrp

for an already overpriced product

[mental yoke]

oh

i dunno prices

how much is a banana anyway

[wise wigeon]

No

[sage sluice]

20 bucks

[wise wigeon]

Press down on both sides

[mental yoke]

:spitsoutcoffee:

[fierce grove]

okay i’m starting off fresh

[wise wigeon]

It needs some force

[fierce grove]

now what do i do

[mental yoke]

go to a more appropriate channel 😏

[sage sluice]

we still on ram? 😭

[sinful blade]

Head to #building-and-recc-chat

[fierce grove]

yes LOL

[sinful blade]

Better for organization @fierce grove

[fierce grove]

ok

[sage sluice]

how is the weather fellow weggians

[idle nexus]

it's scary at first but eventually you'll be using a dremel to make your direct die frame fit on X3D CPUs & random nuts & bolts to hold on a cooler that's not even designed for direct die

[velvet summit]

Dark

[mental yoke]

snow melted finally, feels good

[wise wigeon]

Open the clips and line up the ram, you will need to put pressure, put press on both sides till it clicks

[mental yoke]

if a cpu cooler has a plastic backplate i return it.

[sage sluice]

the sky is lacking color

[wise wigeon]

The clips will snap into place

[idle nexus]

I still hate that my direct die frame ended up looking like this emoji after I used the dremel on it 😈

[mental yoke]

winter areas are yea

[idle nexus]

ya plastic backplate means installs well once at most lol

[mental yoke]

wait is that a delidded x3d?

[idle nexus]

then there's Corsair backplates that are like the weakest, most pathetic looking metal backplates ever

lol yes

it was uh

[mental yoke]

[idle nexus]

pretty pointless in hindsight tbh

[mental yoke]

it usually is

cept when intel puts crap paste there

[sage sluice]

i break into people's houses and steal their thermalpaste on their GPUs and CPUs

[mental yoke]

evil

[idle nexus]

temps are slightly concerning as of late... maybe i need to redo liquid metal

[mental yoke]

im personally anti liquid metal, its not worth it

[sage sluice]

whats the point in getting fancy with cooling mats

[idle nexus]

it's probably my IO die

[sage sluice]

just use reg paste or puddy imo

[idle nexus]

I run that hecker kinda hard

[mental yoke]

liquid metal feels like a meme to me

[velvet summit]

Damn
My dog died
18 years old rip

[mental yoke]

rip

[sage sluice]

dropping in to say that 😭

tidal wave

[velvet summit]

💀

[mortal grail]

Liquid meme al

Sorry continue

[idle nexus]

I love liquid metal

[idle nexus]

my condolences. I know that's hard

[mental yoke]

i liked these but i just use a good paste now. sometimes installing those on a not horizontal surface just doesnt work

[idle nexus]

obligatory at this point

[velvet summit]

Tbh I'm not quite as sad since it was my parents dog, and the signs were there
Though it is pretty sad since I practically grew up with her (and another dog that went a few years prior)

[mental yoke]

thermal pad never dies

[idle nexus]

won't 7000 series boost until 90C always anyway? I forget

[open knoll]

holy bots are going crazy rn with the sniping

[mortal grail]

89 iirc for x3d

[velvet summit]

Fake

[idle nexus]

5150 is max boost for x3d ccd ig so looks like mine are doing okay

[velvet summit]

Oh you're talking about a graphite pad

Real

[mental yoke]

yea graphite* sorry

thermal pads suck and die all the time

[idle nexus]

I'd be down to try those thermalgrizzly pads at some point

[mental yoke]

its carbon, just get the cheapest one 😄

same thing

[idle nexus]

ah heck I'll just stick to liquid metal then

[velvet summit]

You're carbon

[mental yoke]

nothing wrong with liquid metal, its just something you need to go in with the idea of replacing it every year or w/e

[velvet summit]

You need to replace liquid metal?

[mental yoke]

yes all the time

[mortal grail]

Liquid memes all

Sorry go on

[idle nexus]

I don't really have to replace it that often unless I'm using it on a copper block for well known reasons lol

[mental yoke]

🤷

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-mgs-finger-guns-gun-ocelot-gif-18131105

[idle nexus]

ya fair enough lol

on 5900x, I feel like I didn't redo the liquid metal for like 2 years

I could be misremembering

[mental yoke]

it can last longer than a year for sure

[idle nexus]

there was also a lot more of it cuz it was on the IHS

[mental yoke]

depending on the surface and air at the time of mating it

ideally if you could liquid metal in a clean room youd get a long long time out of it

or just send it to space and cold weld it

[idle nexus]

fallout 4 got spicy earlier

[mental yoke]

i need to update my hwinfo

[velvet summit]

Hotspot of just over 80 is crazy

[mortal grail]

Your name keeps growing

Reereereeree ban

[velvet summit]

💀

[mortal grail]

[mental yoke]

i need my desktop im tired of playing on laptop

[idle nexus]

I wonder if I could stay below 100C at 1kw

dunno how to actually make it hit 1kw tho

[mortal grail]

Have you tried 50A

[velvet summit]

4x 12vhpwr

[idle nexus]

is that a benchmark? lol

[mortal grail]

No shunts just 50A

You certainly can't go wrong with 50 amps

[idle nexus]

lol I have not tried that

50A at 240v is great for a stove ya

[mortal grail]

💀

[idle nexus]

okay hear me out

who wants to help design a 12vhpwr cable

let me rephrase

who wants to help design a 12vhpwr cable waterblock? lmao

[tranquil pebble]

500 amps at 2400v

absolute death lol

[dense locust]

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/arc-flash-arc-flash-equipment-testing-gif-16369381374249417566

[idle nexus]

lol is that like a twist lock for docking boats?

[mortal grail]

Extremely high voltage connector

💀

I mean it's in the name right

12v high power

Gotta answer appropriately

[dusk knot]

Send them here

[idle nexus]

they should just run straight bus bars from the PSU to the GPU

I'm watching this rn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoWcndfnqgI

[wise wigeon]

Guys

Please help terrain

I need nap

[dense locust]

[mental yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[wise wigeon]

No seriously please go to build chat

[mental yoke]

please dont make us

[wise wigeon]

I just ate

Ima pass out man

[mental yoke]

you broke your h?

ni ni

[south sapphire]

Is there a difference between a Pcie 4.0 drive and Pcie 5.0 drive (NVME) when it comes to gaming. Even if the difference isn’t that much, is there difference in performance??

[mental yoke]

yes

[worn wave]

With a console that supports Direct Storage, maybe. On a PC, I don't think so

[mental yoke]

direct storage technology exists on pc too

i think its named something else

is that rebar?

[worn wave]

PC might have a direct storage equivalent, I don't think it's used often though

[mental yoke]

mmm i dont think rebar is storage actually, disregard

direct storage is hdd/sdd -> gpu; rebar is gpu -> cpu

[worn wave]

Oh I think it's still called direct storage on pc

[south sapphire]

Would I notice a difference in performance between having my Steam games on a SATA drive compared to NVME

[mental yoke]

yea different techs

[worn wave]

Most games will load a bit faster on an nvme

[mental yoke]

not enough to worry about

[icy ore]

[worn wave]

The difference is pretty minimal. But these days nvme drives tend to be cheaper anyways

[south sapphire]

Oh ok.. so like playing a game like GTA the wild will populate a little faster on an NVME compared to a SATA?

[mental yoke]

maybe

[frigid stag]

Probably not

[mental yoke]

not enough to worry about

[south sapphire]

Oh ok. Dang thanks

[worn wave]

For an open world game I would expect loading screens to be a bit quicker but not by a ton

[mental yoke]

just ram disk your games

[south sapphire]

I have a 2 TB NVME I was gonna use for Windows and random photos and programs and I have a Samsung 4.0 4 TB SATA Drive I m gonna use for gaming

[worn wave]

Also depends on the quality of the sata drive, some of the really cheap ones can be a little slow relatively

[frigid stag]

Tfw some sata ssd gaps your nvme in performance

[mental yoke]

sounds good 👍

[pliant berry]

who needs ssd when you have ram

[south sapphire]

Thanks ya’ll

[mental yoke]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAM_drive

ive used ram disks a lot actually

[frigid stag]

A decent sata ssd can be better in some cases

[worn wave]

What sata drive is that lol

[frigid stag]

Uh some Samsung 850 I think

[worn wave]

After what?

[frigid stag]

Changing one setting in the firmware

[worn wave]

That first one looks like normal sata SSD speeds

[frigid stag]

Ye it’s huge gains

[worn wave]

Oh rapid mode I think

[frigid stag]

Bingo

[worn wave]

Pretty sure that's not the same as having a 6000mb/s drive though

[mortal grail]

Isn't rapid mode a meme from memory

[mental yoke]

my ford pinto is a ferrari

[mortal grail]

Makes it faster for like a huge delay

[frigid stag]

Wdym

[mortal grail]

I remember messing with it on my ones

[frigid stag]

It just uses your system ram

[worn wave]

Yes rapid mode gives crazy benchmarks but in real world doesn't quite work like that

[frigid stag]

It’s like having an ultra hmb

Hmb +++

[mortal grail]

Yeah I vaguely remember this

It's something like that

[frigid stag]

No downsides afaik

Unless you don’t have enough ram I guess

Since it relies on that

[worn wave]

Data loss I assume

[mortal grail]

I recall it having a latency penalty for the bandwidth

I could be wrong

I messed with rapid mode like 3, 4 years ago now?

Ancient in my brain as far as tech goes

[mental yoke]

im almost curious but im also not

[mortal grail]

Fr

Sata is fast enough anyway for 97% of general desktop things

[mental yoke]

yea, if i want speed ill spin up a ram disk, its like 5 seconds

open virtual machine and go

anything is better than a spinny boi tho

[frigid stag]

I mean latency is 35x less from the benchmark at least

[unreal trail]

[mortal grail]

In the benchmark yeah

[mental yoke]

how long can it sustain it i think is the point

[worn wave]

Yeah but benchmarks aren't always the same as real life. Leave it on if you want but don't go around telling people your sata drive is better than their nvme lol

[mortal grail]

But real world I swear it wasn't much of any improvement

[mental yoke]

cus pooping from memory is easy for 3 seconds but not 4 hours

[mortal grail]

Again, could be wrong

I'm open to input

[worn wave]

Seems like if it was, other companies would have made implementations and not just Samsung

[frigid stag]

Most people didn’t know about it

It’s not a well known feature but it’s nice

[velvet summit]

Guys is this latency good for fortnite

[worn wave]

I'm 1/6th of the way through the TBW of one of my 860 evos 💪

[mental yoke]

yes

[mortal grail]

I think you need a doctor

[velvet summit]

This is plane wifi

[storm narwhal]

WHAT

[velvet summit]

Tbh idk if this will fit my laptop lmao

[storm narwhal]

Imagine playing cs2 with 1.7 second latency

Bro has to predict the future

[mortal grail]

Plane* doctor

[storm narwhal]

Also how is there WiFi isn't that like economy

[velvet summit]

Yes

Free wifi for all passengers

[storm narwhal]

Damn

That's wild

[velvet summit]

Also free beer
This company is crazy

[storm narwhal]

WHAT

This ain't no delta what is that company

[velvet summit]

Porter airlines

[storm narwhal]

Insane

[velvet summit]

3rd largest Canadian airliner

[storm narwhal]

Actually never heard of them weirdly enough

Always been aircanada or something else

Maybe I have but I don't really have an impression

[velvet summit]

I believe WestJet is the largest, air Canada second?

[storm narwhal]

I thought westjet was us ngl

[velvet summit]

Ironically the tickets are also cheaper (at least currently)

[pseudo raven]

Guys can I run the 9070xt on a 650w for like

Two days while I wait

[mental yoke]

i used to buy things for airplanes and travel like games and stuff. now i just buy nyquil and patron and knock my self out

id rather play games on big tv

[velvet summit]

Slightly more expensive than flair
But way more better features

[pseudo raven]

Got someone to buy my 3070 for 300

[storm narwhal]

Might fly porter now for the 1.7s ping

[velvet summit]

Lmao

[pseudo raven]

but I need to take it out before I get my new one

[velvet summit]

They got me from the beer alone

[storm narwhal]

That Nyquil beating yo ass

Nah if anything I'd use steamdeck on a long haul flight

Short haul bro I'm napping or listening to music

[velvet summit]

I kinda wish I bought a steam deck but I don't have the spare cash to drop on one

[mortal grail]

Just use ur iphone

Download emulators

[storm narwhal]

The Balatro Machine

[mortal grail]

Hell even regular board games off the app store lol

[mental yoke]

its nice having offline games sometimes

and u can still do that on iphone

but yea

[mortal grail]

Yes I have a bunch of those

Carcassonne is one

Used to have fruit ninja

Pvz

Peggle

Few examples off the top of my head

[storm narwhal]

Jetpack joyride

[mortal grail]

Ppsspp would work just fine

[mental yoke]

switch is kinda ncie if u travel with someone though

[storm narwhal]

How's that nowadays

[mortal grail]

Temple run

[storm narwhal]

Subway surfer

[mental yoke]

id rather just not travel

[mortal grail]

Believe there are ds emus too

[pseudo raven]

i used to download a short emulated game from my long haul flights to try and beat

got through a lot of luigis mansion this one flight but i must've looked so weird

[rancid juniper]

https://youtu.be/tq4963I0IYg?si=bHDb6GtepSzxgVa2

😂

[storm narwhal]

Godspeed, spiderman

[dusk knot]

https://youtu.be/cz2kCCIdLws?si=WngFjjSpeo6WRyYJ 60fps 1440p path tracing….not bad AMD!

[lone mango]

[dusk knot]

Crazy

[sage sluice]

why cant we have an fsr4 equivalent for prior gen ong

or just, fsr3.5

🥹

[mental yoke]

cus money make world go round

[velvet summit]

i got a beer
i got my gaming setup

life's good

[dusk knot]

Plane.

Is that a domestic flight?

[velvet summit]

yes

it's like half empty

i was originally sitting with my dad but they let me go to an empty row so now i have room for a mouse lmao

[storm narwhal]

Actually looks kinda goofy but it works so

Do you also have a plug at the seat

[velvet summit]

this will probably be my most comfortable economy flight i've ever been in

yes

[dusk knot]

Well good for you. You can stretch a bit there on your right..I was "lucky" enough to have space traveling back to the US back from Brazil last night.

[mental yoke]

Sus that Cdpr added nvidia tech immedietely but so late for Intel and Amd stuff

[storm narwhal]

Very nice

[wise wigeon]

Only 9070xt bundles left

Agh

The bundle is cheaper than the 5070 ti one I have going

[dusk knot]

NgreedAi has most of their support if I can recall

I'm not sure if they're under contract or something

[wise wigeon]

Ugh do I really wanna pay $100 over msrp for a msrp model?

At least for the 5070 ti it was one of the chonkers

[dusk knot]

You're really considering a 9700xt?

[dusk knot]

See that $100 as a "I want it right now" tax

[wise wigeon]

It’s bundle is cheaper than the other bundle I got going

Probably slightly worse psu

[mental yoke]

9070xt with fsr 4 is nice

My friend got it and we were comparing fsr 3.1 to 4 the difference is freaking day and night

[wise wigeon]

It’s overpaying for a base model vs overpaying for a chonker model

[mental yoke]

It makes a 7900xtx simply a worse experience despite similar or worse fps

[velvet summit]

Me rn

[dusk knot]

Beer overrated

[lone mango]

[fresh timber]

yes

[wise wigeon]

Ok so comparing the two models using Daniel owens performance difference

The AMD card is 16% more value just based on price

But this is comparing a formerly msrp card vs the flagship for another

[tranquil pebble]

wine is better

and cider

[sage sluice]

orange juice is better

and docta peppa

[lone mango]

[velvet summit]

pear cider is fire as well

[sinful blade]

Alcohol in general**
Who purposefully wants a depressant that causes more domestic incidents and deaths than any other drug in human history

“It helps me relax after a long day” yeah so does meditation, music, proper medication, healthy destressing techniques

The family of 4 that just died the other day due to a drunk driver can’t relax anymore after a long day

I have strong feelings about alcohol

[dusk knot]

Well you know…drinking in moderation is good

I wouldn’t want to get drunk

Or tipsy

[sinful blade]

So is meditating

And it’s not gonna cause any heartbreak or suicidal tendencies

[lone mango]

just chill outside and look at the trees

[dusk knot]

In some instances, I can socialize and speak better while I drink lol

[sinful blade]

That’s the depressant

Slows your autonomic functions and movement, causing a “relaxed” feeling

There is no actual upside to drinking

[dusk knot]

Nothing wrong with that. Just don’t abuse alcohol. It’s good when used responsibly.

[sinful blade]

I’m gonna sleep cuz I will be very passionate

[dusk knot]

If you had a bad experience concerning someone you know, it’s understandable.

But the substance isn’t the problem but it’s the lack of responsibility from over indulgence

Anyways. That’s the end of that

[mortal grail]

Lmfao

AU prices are so messed up

Getting worse by the day

5070's for 1400, 5070 Ti, 2000

Meanwhile XTX reached 1400 at one point

9070 XT 1139-1171

Nvidia is done with Australia man

You can still get XTX's for under 1600

ROFL

4070 869

7800XT 789

4070S 1099

What the hell is this stupidity

[worthy meteor]

damn

[mortal grail]

If this keeps up I might actually just end up being priced out of ever buying nvidia from a logical pricepoint

Compare this to a year ago the prices weren't nearly as bad here

Not by a long shot

[worthy meteor]

Nvidia is just putting less effort on the consumer end so I wouldn't be surprised if they get pushed out of more global markets

[mortal grail]

I can't- 💀

[velvet summit]

🦐ly amazing

[mortal grail]

And then it's like

[lone mango]

Bro I thought you said 1600 as in 1600 aus

[mortal grail]

[lone mango]

1600 us is crazy

[velvet summit]

1.6k for a ventus

[mortal grail]

The 4090s costed just under 2900 here

[storm narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimple-gif-27415539

[wise wigeon]

They won’t, it’s only the diy market that’ll lose share because AMD integration in laptops and prebuilt are not good unfortunately

@mortal grail well I was gonna get that reaper bundle

But then I saw that the reaper is as louder as or louder than a ventus 70ti

[wise wigeon]

Bro they still 4080s for you guys?

Honestly that price in the us wouldn’t even be bad

Market is so screwed man

Felix you got a pulse in the end right?

[dense locust]

1000 for a 4080 being good is wild

[wise wigeon]

Compared to the current selling prices

Overall it’s crap with the value 9070xt and 5070ti provide comparatively

[gentle canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/ryzen-4070-gpu-pc-4070-ryzen-gif-4775427489589965212

[dense locust]

ryzen 4070xt

[wise wigeon]

I mean given the xtx and 80super based on those prices are $60 apart it’s pick your poison at that point

[mortal grail]

^reaper

[wise wigeon]

I was using tech yes

His was 41db at 80cm away in 21c

At 60%

[storm narwhal]

What's the noise floor tho

[dense locust]

my floor is pretty quiet

[wise wigeon]

What is his noise floor actually

[mortal grail]

41db is not bad at all

also 80C?

[dense locust]

ya'll dont set your fans to max even at idle?

[mortal grail]

That's the highest temp I've heard so far

Did his sample not have just a bad mount or something

[wise wigeon]

His was 76c in an open bench at 21c

[mortal grail]

That's a huge variance from TH

[wise wigeon]

For mem

[mortal grail]

Oh mem

Mem doesn't count

Core is the temp/fan dependency

[wise wigeon]

40s to 50s

Depending on the fans peed

[mortal grail]

41db is not bad

I'm looking at other cards that is fine

45 is bad

41 isn't

dBa works in magnitudes of ten

[wise wigeon]

43 mb but not that different

[mortal grail]

so 45 is 4 degrees of 10 worse

[mental yoke]

Where can I buy a PG27UCDM it seems to be out of stock everywhere

[mortal grail]

Ok gotta go guys

Sorry

Busy af lately

Got 25 minutes to make the store

[dense locust]

we in 2005 with this one

[storm narwhal]

lttstore.com

Hurry squarespace won't wait forever

[wise wigeon]

Yeh it’s just the 70ti model I have coming is a lil overkill and is like 25db at load

[velvet summit]

🪵

[dense locust]

10^log(0)

[wise wigeon]

So there is a 18db difference

[pseudo raven]

70 ti? nice

aand wrong reply sorry for ping

[wise wigeon]

The AMD card bundle would be cheaper for sure

I just need to factor in my own wants

But then again the 70xt points against it is the same points against I had against the ventus 70ti I cancelled already

I mean I could buy both and compare but

That’s a lot of tests vs just enjoying myself during spring break

[dense locust]

just buy a 5090 instead/j

[wise wigeon]

I mean the difference in the bundles is a good amount not one I’m unwilling to pay since the power supply for the 70ti bundle is just better as well

In a pure price performance value the AMD card is a 16% better value for the price

But that’s before you factor in the rest of the bundle and the cooler diff

For the 70xt it’s kind of do or die because of the potential for further increases

The model of 70ti I got is actually a lil decreased

In terms of cooler it’s so I prefer a fat or thin cooler

[elfin mural]

https://www.techspot.com/news/107082-amazon-customer-receives-fake-ryzen-7-7800x3d-turns.html

this is just hilarious

[wise wigeon]

Didn’t see the i7 3770 with a ryzen sticker slap on yesterday

@dense locust idk what do you think

Outside of the 16% better value in terms of just price and performanve

The psu is better in the Ti bundle

[dense locust]

Weird how the sticker says made in china when AMD cpus are made in Malaysia

[wise wigeon]

And in terms of model it’s the msrp vs pretty much a halo model

[dense locust]

[wise wigeon]

Some are made in china iirc

[dense locust]

What is the psu

[wise wigeon]

A850gs

[gentle canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-fred-jones-unmasking-mask-original-gif-15500596655549659645

[wise wigeon]

In terms of the new psu tier list it’s b vs a to make it simple

[dense locust]

There are? I haven’t seen any that have said made in china

Are they for a specific market?

[elfin mural]

usually for china

cuz economic reasons ig

[wise wigeon]

Yeh

It’s the same for any product made in multiple countries

[dense locust]

Do you need to do any productivity or video encoding?

Amd is pretty good in gaming but everything else they are a generation behind tbh

[wise wigeon]

Not right now no, the capability is nice

[dense locust]

Tho amd’s isn’t awful by any means

[wise wigeon]

With the way games are releasing with unavoidable rt I do like the prospect of better overall rt perf

[dense locust]

I wish games didn’t rely so much on something that halves your performance but what can you do

[wise wigeon]

Ik but it’s just how the direction is going

And unlike some people here I do play a lot of the newer games

[dense locust]

“Rt is just a gimmick”

[wise wigeon]

Took a while for it to not be a gimmick

[dense locust]

How wrong we were

[elfin mural]

it became mandatory

too soon

[dense locust]

It ran so poorly

It still runs poorly

But the fact that cards can run games with some rt at 60fps makes it finally viable

[wise wigeon]

Honestly with performance dlss I do like the path tracing perf of the 70ti

[gentle canyon]

why the for now?

[wise wigeon]

?

[dense locust]

What for now

There is no for now

[dense locust]

Oh

[wise wigeon]

It’s still in return period

[gentle canyon]

thinking about 9070?

[dense locust]

7900xtx is only worth it for the ram amount

[wise wigeon]

I’d have kept it if I couldn’t get a 70ti or 70xt

[elfin mural]

even amd had to mess up on giving msrp cards

sigh

[dense locust]

Imagine what a 9080 for 9090 would be like

It might even rival the 4090

[elfin mural]

but people happily buys any gpu these days

also, 5050 is the only 50 series card that will come with gddr6

[wise wigeon]

But for like a less than the price I payed for the xtx I get the 70ti and a decent psu

[elfin mural]

i knew it

i freaking knew it

[gentle canyon]

at this point it doesnt matter what gpus are priced at nowadays they will still sell

[dense locust]

Amd messed up when they were going to overcharge their cards

[elfin mural]

too stingy to use gddr7 lol

[dense locust]

And had to back down

[wise wigeon]

Mans for the 70xt bundle I get a significant price decrease over the xtx alone

[gentle canyon]

the gpu maker cant control what the aibs sell for can they

[velvet summit]

welp
dropping my ugreen 100w charger broke it lmao
not fully

[dense locust]

I wonder what the actual cost difference between 6x and 7 is

[velvet summit]

but the prongs do not move together anymore

[elfin mural]

remember when the general buying mindset was "msrp at 400? eh, i'll wait for sales"

[wise wigeon]

But it’s a worse psu than the 70ti bundle

[elfin mural]

now it became

[wise wigeon]

And it’s a msrp card vs a higher end model

[elfin mural]

"200 over msrp for a gpu? TAKE MY MONEY"

[wise wigeon]

Remember when we said if msrp was 700 it’s doa?

[dense locust]

*500-1000

[elfin mural]

ya

[wise wigeon]

So bundle diff out of psu is

[elfin mural]

but people are happily

buying up $700 70xt

[dense locust]

Wdym it was msrp
||for the 3 people who live near microcenter||

[wise wigeon]

Me paying $100 more for what should have been a msrp 70xt model, vs under $150 more for the most premium model of the Ti from one brand

[dense locust]

Let us return to standing in line
Just don’t launch anything during the winter

[wise wigeon]

So this is how the models stack up to each other

[pseudo raven]

to be fair theres always cards that cost more than the msrp

[wise wigeon]

Then you have the psu diff

[pseudo raven]

shame its the same cards that were msrp at first though lol

[wise wigeon]

Yeah

[elfin mural]

ya

the prices got jacked up

[pseudo raven]

wow the same asus card i got is 720 now

: (

[elfin mural]

the "msrp" promise is only for one sku from one aib

and in very limited quantity

[dense locust]

Ok but it’s usually like $100 to $200 max

Not almost double msrp

[pseudo raven]

i mean no aib is selling a double msrp

9070 xt surely

this isnt a 5090

[dense locust]

5080 astral is pretty up there

[wise wigeon]

So do I pay 100 more for something that that should be the msrp model vs pay less than 150 more for a halo product essentially

[elfin mural]

oh boy

this is the reason

[pseudo raven]

i mean its also less money but

[elfin mural]

they get away with it

[pseudo raven]

thats another way to think about it too

[elfin mural]

intentionally close pricing

[pseudo raven]

one time purchase anyway

[wise wigeon]

With the 70 ti being in general 8% faster

[elfin mural]

they make us go "hmm what if i pay a lil more for this model"

[wise wigeon]

And 20+% faster in rt

[elfin mural]

or not intentionally, but what can i say

[wise wigeon]

I mean in terms of just weight of material

[elfin mural]

it's a mess either way

[lone mango]

We love upselling

[pseudo raven]

yall think i can go 4 days on a 650w power supply

[wise wigeon]

It’s a 1200gram card vs a like 1900g card

[pseudo raven]

i have a rm750 coming saturday

[wise wigeon]

It’s just a whole lot more heatsink

[elfin mural]

which 650w is it

good psus can handle some overload

just ok

[wise wigeon]

Rm750?

The e or x model

[pseudo raven]

the E is new right

[wise wigeon]

Both

[pseudo raven]

its an older one so id assume x

[wise wigeon]

X released in September

It’s a much better power supply

[pseudo raven]

right now i have a cx650

[wise wigeon]

Ok no

Do not

[dense locust]

Nvidia not making a 5070ti fe
Is just as stupid as
Amd not making a reference 9070

[wise wigeon]

Yep

[pseudo raven]

a cx-f sorry

its a B tier on the psu tier list i guess

[wise wigeon]

Still a no

[lone mango]

Boy you better cap your framerate

[elfin mural]

cap your fps

fr

lower your power limit

[pseudo raven]

im not gonna game until

saturday anyway

[wise wigeon]

Do everything to lower stuff

[elfin mural]

if you won't game it's ok then

[pseudo raven]

maybe ill just undervolt it?

[lone mango]

Oh ok then it doesnt matter

[elfin mural]

just leave it be

it wouldn't matter

[pseudo raven]

i kinda have two finals on sunday and monday

that i need to study for on this pc

[wise wigeon]

But uh yeah

[pseudo raven]

am shipping out my 3070 tomorrow

i guess i could ask the guy if he could wait till saturday

for me to ship it out lol

[wise wigeon]

If you’re selling idk if that’s a good idea

If you ain’t gaming and your cpu has integrated graphics

[pseudo raven]

hes already paid me

5600x

[wise wigeon]

Oof

[pseudo raven]

sunglas

[wise wigeon]

And you have the new gpu?

[pseudo raven]

yes

ive had it since launch day

[wise wigeon]

Ok just use it but heavily power limit it

[pseudo raven]

yeah thats what im thinking

[wise wigeon]

9070 or the xt?

[pseudo raven]

xt

[wise wigeon]

Assuming a -10% pl

You should be fine

[pseudo raven]

yeah

[wise wigeon]

But I would cap it

[pseudo raven]

honestly if i calculate my actual power usage

its like 600

[wise wigeon]

Ain’t the cb hella old?