general-chat

[mental yoke]

is politics even allowed here? i dunno im not adverse to it but also not sure

[sage sluice]

i dont mind government structure, just not full government control

[wise wigeon]

Think specific stuff no

[mental yoke]

i dont think politics is usually a kosher discord topic anywhere though honestly

[brazen dome]

Agreed

[mental yoke]

its all bait anyway

[sage sluice]

in moderation and if its chill, the second things get heated we stop immediately

[wise wigeon]

But just complaining about how politics as a whole blows is prob like whatever

[sage sluice]

you can have an adult discussion without drama

[nocturne flicker]

Muat have drama, how can I live if I can't be making my counterpart my enemy and striving to make them cry

[devout forum]

The irony of life
My desires say 4080

My wallet says 6700XT rofl

[wise wigeon]

Yall remember when sport betting was illegal?

[mental yoke]

it still is

[wise wigeon]

Eh

[worn wave]

Depends where you live

[mental yoke]

exactly

[nocturne flicker]

We call it 'fantasy' sports now

Therefore not illegal

[wise wigeon]

And now I have those ads shove down my throat

[worn wave]

Remember when advertising gambling to minors was illegal?

[sage sluice]

did you know its illegal to set a mouse trap without a hunting license in cali?

[nocturne flicker]

Never has been

[worn wave]

Wait really

That's stupid

[sage sluice]

as it shouldve stayed <3

[wise wigeon]

Lots of obscure thing are illegal

[mental yoke]

interesting lol

cali is a place for sure

[devout forum]

Like it's illegal in Tennessee to have your horse chew on a fire hydrant

[worn wave]

CSGO gambling sites sponsoring YouTubers is sooo scummy

[mental yoke]

if you like interesting law though, louisiana. that place man...

[sage sluice]

another fun one is it is illegal to wear costumes to official meetings in new york

[brazen dome]

Sounds like something California would do

[mental yoke]

louisiana uses like british law or something?

[sage sluice]

i live here and ive never heard of that one lol

[devout forum]

Actually I might misremember

[nocturne flicker]

It is legal if the ads aren't 'particularly appealing' to minors iirc

[devout forum]

May not be Tennessee

Lemme check

[mental yoke]

"Louisiana is the only state whose private legal system is based on civil law, rather than the traditional American common law." - wiki

[worn wave]

"win skins for your favorite videogame" sure sounds appealing to minors lmao

[mental yoke]

sounds apealing to me and i aint even a minor

[wise wigeon]

I mean remember lootboxes

[worn wave]

"play our insanely predatory and rigged games"

[wise wigeon]

Omg lootboxes are coming back to Overwatch ain’t it?

[worn wave]

At least sports betting has some skill to it (if you're too good they ban you lol)

[sage sluice]

one law i would love to break is the fact it is illegal to wear a fake mustache to an official church if the mustache can be perceived as amusing over in alabama

[devout forum]

It's Iowa actually

That's my bad

[sage sluice]

ah fair enough

[worn wave]

Yeah they're back but the opening animation isn't as satisfying :(

[devout forum]

Still

[wise wigeon]

Sadge

[sage sluice]

its still a weird law

[devout forum]

Amusing is my word NGL

[sage sluice]

i guess one too many fellas let horses chew on fire hydrants

[wise wigeon]

I’m sure there are wack Florida laws

[wise wigeon]

Welp death penalty for stealing a horse

[sage sluice]

i know one, its illegal for a woman to fall asleep with someone using a hair dryer over their head when at a hair salon

if i remember correctly men are exempt to this

[lone mango]

I think it was georgia where like you cant ride a horse eating ice cream on a sunday or something silly

hahaha

[sage sluice]

lmao that sounds like a very georgia thing to do

[mental yoke]

most laws were written in blood of some kind so someone prolly died eating ice cream riding a horse or something on a sunday

[wise wigeon]

Illegal to sing in a swimsuit

[lone mango]

[devout forum]

Ironic
Doctor War Chief Joseph Medicine Crow would've been executed in Florida for the deed that made him a war chief

[sage sluice]

in delaware there are a good chunk of laws revolving what you can do on sunday

[mental yoke]

not my newegg sling swimsuit

[sage sluice]

i think all hunting is illegal on sunday there except for fox hunting

[lone mango]

I guess people stole a lot of horses in florida a very long time ago

[devout forum]

(that's not even a joke, he was a PhD anthropologist, Native American historian, the last War Chief of the Plains Indians and a WW2 veteran)

Absolutely badass

[mental yoke]

ur going to jail for stealing a ho..... wait thats a gator

🐊

[sage sluice]

the worst case of this type of thing has to be the guy who got put in jail for like 30 years for smoking weed and one of the first things he saw on release was a billboard advertising marijuana

[devout forum]

Yikes

But ye

[mental yoke]

shoulda just been born in a country where it was legal

[devout forum]

He was a proper badass

[mental yoke]

derp

[devout forum]

Like

Stealing nazi horses

[sage sluice]

bro chose the wrong spawn location

[mental yoke]

nazi horses

[sage sluice]

the horses are nazis, you heard it here folks

[devout forum]

And disarming an Wehrmacht soldier by choking him out (without killing him)

[mental yoke]

[devout forum]

That came out wrong lmao

I should've said the horses of a bunch of SS officers

[mental yoke]

it made sense it was funny

[sage sluice]

my german study coming in clutch on that defense force

meaning it was not an offensive unit

so he was infiltrating

[devout forum]

Joe Medicine Crow really was a badass

[devout forum]

He was a scout in the 103rd Infantry iirc

[sage sluice]

that would explain it

thats definitely badass as hell

[devout forum]

To quote:
"Medicine Crow completed all four tasks required to become a war chief: touching an enemy without killing him (counting coup), taking an enemy's weapon, leading a successful war party, and stealing an enemy's horse. He touched a living enemy soldier and disarmed him after turning a corner and finding himself face to face with a young German soldier.

He also led a successful war party and stole fifty horses owned by the Waffen SS from a German camp, singing a traditional Crow honor song as he rode off."

[sage sluice]

ah wait i remember this story

[devout forum]

He was a scout leader and led his squad so well none of them died during his leadership

Which is bloody impressive during WW2

[sage sluice]

when anything could kill you at any moment

if only those people got put in positions they could make full use of their potential

instead of.. our current leaders lmao

[devout forum]

So yeah
He was a unit leader (leading a war party)
Strangled a German soldier into submission without killing him and disarmed him to take as a POW (counting coup, take an enemy's weapon)
And then stole like 50 horses from a bunch of SS officers and rode off on one of them (steal the enemy's horse)

One of his relatives (I think nephew) managed to achieve 3 out of the 4 feats during the Korean War iirc

Sadly he only found an elephant to steal, so the tribe's leaders decided that "didn't count because it was not a horse"

[sage sluice]

that's actually insane

bro shouldve got the war chief dlc

[devout forum]

I mean how are you going to find a horse in the mfing jungle?

Might not have been Korea

Probably Vietnam

Still, point stands

[buoyant vapor]

yo blackhole

you seem smart

i have a question

[devout forum]

Uh oh

You're about to be disappointed lol

[buoyant vapor]

should i get a 4tb ssd

[devout forum]

But go ahead if I can help I'll do my best

[buoyant vapor]

idk if its overkill

[devout forum]

What are you gonna use it for?

[buoyant vapor]

idfk

my current one has like 240gb

[devout forum]

I mean

[buoyant vapor]

my pc is lagging randomly

[devout forum]

If you want storage
And have the money for it
It's not a terrible idea

[buoyant vapor]

so...

ohh ok

[devout forum]

That's... Broad

Could be many a thing

[buoyant vapor]

yeah

[devout forum]

Likely not storage related

[buoyant vapor]

and somethings constantly eating my ram

93% without any games on rn

[sinful blade]

What’s your specs?

[frigid stag]

What’s the specs

Let me guess 1st or 2nd gen ryzen

[buoyant vapor]

uh wait

im dumb gimme a bit

amd ryzen 5 5600g
nvidia geforce rtx 1060gb 6gb

[sage sluice]

Yo blackhole
You seem smart
128 gigs of coirsair vengeance?

All 2×8 sticks

[buoyant vapor]

i feel called out 😭

[sage sluice]

Lol im just messin

[buoyant vapor]

i think im gonna get

2x16gb ram sticks

[sage sluice]

Do it on pcpartpicker, youll be going ddr4

[buoyant vapor]

ngl idk my motherboards name

its pciv4 or what its called

[velvet summit]

that is just the pcie version

[sage sluice]

Thats just a slot lmao, dw bout your board here you can support minimum 2 sticks

[buoyant vapor]

okay

it has 4 slots

but idk i think 4 would look a bit ugly

[sage sluice]

3600mhz cl16 is ram sweet spot for ddr4 right?

[velvet summit]

i think so im not the build guy

[sage sluice]

Lol neither am i

90% of my knowledge is in peripherals

[fierce grove]

there is one steel legend in stock

[velvet summit]

most of my knowlege is in networking and troubleshooting

[sage sluice]

Dont pay anything it aint worth

[fierce grove]

chat is the steel legend 9070 XT good

[sage sluice]

If it costs 700 or more no

[fierce grove]

its $600 at my micro center

im scared its gonna loke

[sage sluice]

Then its probs fine

[fierce grove]

go away

im gonna be there in like 2 hours

[velvet summit]

it might go away in 2 hours

[sinful blade]

What games do you play?

[velvet summit]

they do have legs after all

[buoyant vapor]

minecraft and roblox rn lowkey 😭

dont judge me

[fierce grove]

is it a good model tho?

[buoyant vapor]

the gambling in tower defense games is addicting

[sage sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/legs-gif-20058972

[sage sluice]

Not really enough info rn

[velvet summit]

any design that isnt the msi mech/armor/ventus 2x is good

[sage sluice]

But model diff doesnt really usually matter

[fierce grove]

what aboiut the XFX swift, it’s also msrp but only 1 left

[fierce grove]

unless it’s 12v

[sage sluice]

Id just go for whats available

It will not make a noticable difference for you

[lone mango]

Sheesh

Thats huge

[sinful blade]

Well, the 1060 6GB isn’t really very strong
Neither is the 5600g

But I’d honestly look for a gpu upgrade, then ram. @buoyant vapor
Go for something used like the 5700XT, 2070, or 6600xt if you wanna stay around $120.

[frigid stag]

Probably your cpu/ ram then

[fierce grove]

maybe for me it will, because i prioritize quiet gpu’s, and whatnot it’s 12v

[frigid stag]

The 1060 is fine it’s roblox

[sage sluice]

My gre i paid 570 for like 8 months ago crying crying

[buoyant vapor]

for minecraft too

[sinful blade]

Minecraft too

[frigid stag]

Minecraft ran fine on a rx400 series gpu lmao

[lone mango]

You could probably sell for that much

[frigid stag]

Minecraft be fr

[buoyant vapor]

it ran fine on my decrepit ass laptop so

[sinful blade]

He might not be playing it at decent settings

[velvet summit]

almost all gpu designs outside of the ones i listed would usually be quiet as long as you have decent case ventilation

[frigid stag]

It’s a gtx 1060 not a Dreamcast

[lone mango]

Take it out and take some pictures for a listing lol

[buoyant vapor]

ye

[sage sluice]

Dunno if itd even be worth ngl, it is a red devil tho so its got some limited edition aspects to it

Although its a bit scratched on the heatsink and an rgb pin is broken lol

[lone mango]

Yeah thats gonna have a bigger sticker fr

[lone mango]

People dont care they feining

[sage sluice]

I might list it on marketplace and see

[buoyant vapor]

@sinful blade can i dm you btw

[lone mango]

If you have a micro center near you, you should consider it

[sage sluice]

I wish

Like 3 hrs away

[sinful blade]

It’s better to stay here to get more opinions. We can move to #building-and-recc-chat though.

[buoyant vapor]

mines like 11 hours

cuz i gotta fly to the us first

[sage sluice]

Canada?

[lone mango]

Brutal

[buoyant vapor]

germany

[lone mango]

Idk if 9070 got as scalped as the xt

[sage sluice]

Oh yeah fly lol

Not drive

If i lived near a micro trust me id get a 9070xt no hesitation

Although cpu would def start to be a hinderance

Its already a bit weaker for my gre

Honestly id just be happier with boosted ray perf on the 9070 xt

[languid drum]

9080 for me

[velvet summit]

closest microcenter to me is a 5 and a half hour drive including ferry

[lone mango]

Micro center please spread out your locations instead of having them close to each other in one state

I am like 15 minutes away and the "far" one is about 50 minutes

[idle flax]

If they had one in Virginia it would be perfect so much military here they’d be selling their stock in a heartbeat! We’re all gamers haha

Fairfax is practically in Washington DC so screw that drive lol

[dense locust]

The closest microcenter to me is like 6-7 hrs

[fierce grove]

how’s the red devil 9070 xt chat

[sage sluice]

Overpriced

[fierce grove]

how’s the actual model tho

[sage sluice]

Unless its going 650 max

[sage sluice]

Not sure, but ive got a red devil gre and its great

[fierce grove]

all the good ones on micro center are like 1 in stock

and the red devil is lole

25

so idk

[sage sluice]

Again

Dont pay much more than msrp

[sinful blade]

@fierce grove model does not matter as much as you think

[sage sluice]

It really doesnt

Even if you want to avoid noise

Your other parts would all have to be perfectly silent too

[gentle canyon]

💀

[brazen dome]

Lmao will suckers buy them? Specially if we keep getting restocked?

[misty sparrow]

9070xt is what, $599? Normal 9070 $549?

[elfin mural]

yes

all you gotta do is wait for stock

[misty sparrow]

That’s pretty much double the price then

[elfin mural]

mhm

these scalpers are gonna feel the pain

[misty sparrow]

I don’t think AMD is gonna pull an Nvidia from what I heard so

massive L

[fresh timber]

Help

The power supply is having issues

Is 500w smart enough

Techie I need help

I’m joking btw

Don’t take me seriously

[misty sparrow]

I’m gonna take you to McDonald’s seriously

[fierce grove]

guess who going to microcenter 😎

me

[misty sparrow]

Cool

never been in one

[tranquil pebble]

scalping has become WAY too common

like it's just a thing everyone seems to do now... what happened?

[misty sparrow]

Greed

Same reason why rappers will spring up and immediately go broke

[tranquil pebble]

I hope most of these scalpers get broke ngl

[frigid stag]

No they just don’t know how to use their money

It’s not just rappers happens to most people when they get rich or win the lottery

[misty sparrow]

Yes, but some don’t know finance and go broke because of it

[tranquil pebble]

and when they do it'll be one massive dosage of karma

[misty sparrow]

I’ve heard of many buying mansions and stuff, then running out of cash

Like MC Hammer

[frigid stag]

Cause they spend the rest on cars and [redacted things]

[tranquil pebble]

lol nouveau riche moment go brr

[frigid stag]

Lol saw this on Twitter

Pretty accurate

[elfin mural]

frame chasers is mad

[tranquil pebble]

the world ended on December 2019. We now live in a temporal anomaly

[frigid stag]

He’s right

[elfin mural]

can you get an xtx at 600?

not right now

[frigid stag]

850

Lol

[elfin mural]

i mean

there was 600 bucks 9070xt

[frigid stag]

https://videocardz.com/newz/retailer-confirms-radeon-rx-9070-msrp-only-applies-to-first-shipments-price-set-to-increase-later

[elfin mural]

people just scooped it all up

[frigid stag]

Where

[elfin mural]

for a little bit

nvidia is not any better either

what point is this

it's all gonna be bad either way pricing wise

[tranquil pebble]

greed, greed everywhere... absolutely disgusting

[frigid stag]

People were mad when nvidia did the same. They’re acting like amd is their saviour

amd does the same thing
“It good”

[elfin mural]

now im gonna be back to being angry

xd

cuz honestly, no one should pay 800+

[frigid stag]

“Msrp but for day 1”

[elfin mural]

for these stuff

[frigid stag]

Msrp has a new definition now

[elfin mural]

it's a shame

[frigid stag]

I saw the Red Devil. It’s doa at 850

[elfin mural]

whatever, i don't got the energy nor

the money to care

[frigid stag]

There were even higher priced cards

[elfin mural]

i'll go to sleep now

[craggy shoal]

to to sleep

lol

[elfin mural]

wake me up when gpu prices are back to normal

probably never

[tranquil pebble]

I guess decent value PC gaming is just done for a while

[elfin mural]

i'll be watching from the sideline

because this is honestly just how it is now

amd fumbled once more

just don't buy gpus in general rn i guess

go used or smth

[tranquil pebble]

AMD is content to just lap up scraps from Nvidia practices I guess

[elfin mural]

baited everyone

[tranquil pebble]

used market is screwed too

[elfin mural]

had me in the first half

[lone mango]

You know maybe these prices we saw were pre tariffs

[tranquil pebble]

ISTG if crypto makes a comeback right after the AI bubble bursts I'm going to lose it

have you seen ebay prices?

[lone mango]

True I saw a 6700 xt nitro+ for like 260

[tranquil pebble]

Well, any current gen GPU is going for absurd money

[elfin mural]

i hate politics

grah

[craggy shoal]

I got a 6800 XT from my friend for $200 lol (I'm going to mention this until I die)

[elfin mural]

tariffs be jacking up prices

it's never the companies that take the hit

it's the buyers

because they know people will buy

[nocturne flicker]

Well yes, it is a round about way of doing a national sales tax because the average person understands what a sales tax is but not a tariff

[elfin mural]

real

you don't say it's a tax

you just tell em it's a tariff

[tranquil pebble]

GPU market slowly turning into diamond and jewelry market

[craggy shoal]

"slowly"

[elfin mural]

watch as no one is able to get a gaming pc for a reasonable price

[nocturne flicker]

Can't wait for $5k to be entry level

[elfin mural]

forced to use mainstream tier

games are unreasonably heavy tho for the cheaper end of hardwares

midrange tier is slowly slipping away out of reach

with appalling generational changes

it's only getting worse

[tranquil pebble]

I have a 6900 XT (XTX-H version)

[elfin mural]

that's true

and i hope that leads to prices falling

[misty sparrow]

It’s exactly why I keep focusing on getting rich despite what everyone tells me

[elfin mural]

because the prices right now are absolutely nuts

[tranquil pebble]

I have a Radeon Instinct MI50 too

morals don't matter to people who get rich lol

[lone mango]

Should go to micro center and scalp

Make a quick grand

[misty sparrow]

And I mean focusing only on getting money, such as getting a job with none of your interests solely for the income

[nocturne flicker]

But you should scam rich people

[dusk knot]

Scam everyone equally

[tranquil pebble]

shareholders love doing this

well not scamming technically but may as well be

[elfin mural]

various loopholes

and fancy words

that's the get rich way

[nocturne flicker]

Pushing for outrageous profit margins

[elfin mural]

and not only do you want to be rich, you want to keep pushing for more profit

[nocturne flicker]

Demanding staff be cut when staff is already overworked

[elfin mural]

more money

yeah, that's what it is

trying to achieve infinite growth

[nocturne flicker]

You can't become rich while following a strict code of morality

[tranquil pebble]

shareholders want their income to act like an incremental game... Infinite growth, then they get mad when they hit a brick wall at some point

[mortal grail]

Woke up to see there's an influx of more stock here and some skus never went out

[nocturne flicker]

Well yes, if your code of morality is that anybody that isn't you can and should suffer on your way to wealth, then sure, you can become rich while maintaining moral integrity

[tranquil pebble]

I suspect the people that get obscenely rich mostly see other people as either competition or tools... sadly

[tranquil pebble]

I'm talking like billionaire level rich

[mortal grail]

There's still pulse cards available here for just over msrp wtf

[nocturne flicker]

The very ownership of billions of dollars is by default immoral, as that level of wealth concentration harms society by just existing, let alone when those assets are deployed

[elfin mural]

^

there's a little thing

called selfishness

[nocturne flicker]

Money = power. You gain undeserved and overwhelming influence over the entire system merely by having that level of wealth

[elfin mural]

and being selfish isn't moral by definition

it's not wrong

it's just immoral

i may be flawed with my explanations tho, it's almost 4am

[nocturne flicker]

You think people would care about what Bill Gates says or wants if he wasn't rich and famous? No. But since he is rich and famous, his wants and desires are allowed to shape national and regional government policy

[elfin mural]

money grants one power by default i believe

fame is another form of wealth

money is the byproduct of fame

but honestly, i think so long as capitalism continues, the world is gonna spiral into a dystopian future

ok imma stop yapping fr, this is making less sense the more i read

im tired

[nocturne flicker]

Capitalism is not a system of free enterprise, free enterprise is merely one way in which a capitalistic system is set up

Capitalism is any system defined by private ownership of the means of production (assets and resources) and the use of those means to produce profit

Free entreprise is a series of legal rules regarding commercial interactions. Capitalism is an economic system that deals with the distribution and production of resources

It does not require free enterprise

Capitalism is not required to be laissez-faire

[fierce grove]

line at micro center is long asf

[fresh timber]

Ima end this once and for all

Case closed

[elfin mural]

so i wasn't hallucinating at 4am

[fierce grove]

chat is there a big difference between the 9070 XT and non XT?

[dense locust]

Yes

Ish

You should look at reviews

[fierce grove]

because im at micro center rn, they only got the non xt’s left

should i get it

a non xt

[dense locust]

Is it msrp?

[elfin mural]

if it's msrp

i'd say.. hm

yes?

[fierce grove]

yes

bet

[lone mango]

Cop

[mortal grail]

Worth

[fierce grove]

i hope it’s not too big of a difference

[lone mango]

Its like a 10% difference

No nbd

[fierce grove]

ohhh

[idle nexus]

noiice

[fierce grove]

bet

which one should i get

sapphire pulse?

[mortal grail]

9% less money for 12% less performance it's absolutely worth

[lone mango]

10% difference 10% price difference

[mortal grail]

Cheapest

DON'T ASK

JUST CHEAPEST

[fierce grove]

Cuz i don’t wanna get a 12V

[mortal grail]

PICK A COLOUR

[fierce grove]

im in line rn

they only got 9070

[dense locust]

How big is the line

[fierce grove]

like 5 people

[mortal grail]

I did

A pulse too

[idle nexus]

has anyone heard of some thing called dataannotation?

[fierce grove]

apparently they have 1 xt left of the red devil limited one

[dense locust]

Even the 9070 is better than the 5070

[mortal grail]

Msrp models of either beats all

[dense locust]

How much

[idle nexus]

except in RT but 5070 sucks lol

[fierce grove]

can the 9070 non xt do 4k gaming just like the xt version js advertised to do?

[mortal grail]

9070 wins in RT too

[mortal grail]

To the same degree just pick an msrp one man and stop hesitating

[lone mango]

Pretty much, its 10% worse so it can keep up

[dense locust]

[idle nexus]

eh I think Black Myth & CyberPunk go to 5070 but I don't remember cuz review videos are usually background noise for me lol

[mortal grail]

No that wasn't a joke it actually did lmao

[dense locust]

Without ray tracing*

[mortal grail]

It barely edged it

[idle nexus]

I'm just so confused cuz like

5070 was supposed to be 4090

[mortal grail]

No it won in both @dense locust

Lol

[dense locust]

The benchmarks show 5070 better at raytracing

Well I guess it depends on the games

[fierce grove]

should i get a 790$ red devil xt?

they might have it

[lone mango]

It does

[idle nexus]

$790?

[fierce grove]

yes

[idle nexus]

the heck

[mortal grail]

Yes

[fierce grove]

is that bad

[lone mango]

It does fall behind the more intensive the rays get

[mortal grail]

Multiple reviewers had the 9070 beating the 5070

[dense locust]

Kinda overpriced

[mortal grail]

No

Get msrp

Stop hesitating

Seriously

[fierce grove]

msrp non xt?

okay

[mortal grail]

Yes

[fierce grove]

i’ll listen to you

[dense locust]

If you really want the 10% performance for $250 more

[lone mango]

Bro gonna spend $250 for 10% more perf

[idle nexus]

I'm confused again

[fierce grove]

is it better than the 4070 super ti?

[lone mango]

[vague atlas]

How does the 9070 with FSR4 do against the 5070 with DLSS3

[fierce grove]

@mortal grail

[vague atlas]

cuz FSR4 seemed to run like doo doo comapred to DLSS CNN

[mortal grail]

HUB was not one of them

[lone mango]

[mortal grail]

Near the same

[fierce grove]

bet

[mortal grail]

Better

[idle nexus]

oh right

heckin Australians huh?

lol

[vague atlas]

I meaaaaan

that's a solid chunk worse

its like a little worse than DLSS transformer which yikes

[dense locust]

Hey at least it’s not 2 generations behind last zen 3

[vague atlas]

I mean visual quality is fine really

[mortal grail]

Dlss 4>fsr 4>>> dlss3.7=fsr 3.1

[idle nexus]

I think this is non-RT at 4K

[vague atlas]

it just runs bad

[vague atlas]

See that's visually speaking

but I'm kinda interested to see performance numbers

[mortal grail]

And see how that the 9070 wins all but one RT test

[vague atlas]

between them, cuz if you are losing 30 fps like that example shows, kinda defeats the point

[idle nexus]

9070 v. 9070XT 4K

[mortal grail]

You posted a pic of 5070 ti

[vague atlas]

yeah, which the 9070 xt runs about equal to

and it just gets demolished with FSR4 vs DLSS3

so how does it hold up against the 5070 with DLSS3

[idle nexus]

I would never buy a 5070ti because I hate the name when Super comes out

[mortal grail]

Dlss 3 is not worth it man

[vague atlas]

I haven't seen anyone test that so far

[lone mango]

I wonder what the delta is when you use a setting people will actually use

Like quality or balanced

[vague atlas]

I think performance is fine

at 4k

considering that's still more internal res than 1440p quality

[mortal grail]

Dlss 3 had so many issues, as most FG has. But FSR 4 and DLSS 4 fixed a lot of the visual issues, with input latency pending

[idle nexus]

I thought this was raster derp

[frigid stag]

Fsr just looks a bit noisy to me

[mortal grail]

They fixed that

[vague atlas]

I'm not even talking about frame gen

[frigid stag]

Dlss is ok

[vague atlas]

I mean DLSS3 level upscaling

[worn wave]

Though I believe FSR 4 has a higher performance impact than DLSS 3.x

[frigid stag]

I’ve used it recently ish. Still looks worse than dlss for me at least

[mortal grail]

Oh you mean CCN

[vague atlas]

this is what I'm asking

[mortal grail]

I see

[frigid stag]

Idk if it’s the fact that I’m on nvidia

[mortal grail]

No I haven't seen CCN

That's fair

[vague atlas]

FSR4 seems to hit even harder than the transformer model

[mortal grail]

Not fsr 4

[lone mango]

Daniel owens video shows the artifacting on both fsr 4 and dlss but I dont use upscaling

[vague atlas]

which yeaahh kinda takes away from the perf gains

[lone mango]

It does but its not much comapred to fsr 3

[idle nexus]

I'm using DLSS 4 in Fallout 4 lmao

[vague atlas]

I just want to see numbers between 5070 ti CNN vs 9070 xt FSR4

[frigid stag]

Fr I love downscaling

[vague atlas]

Comparing against transformer meh, I know its better and it runs about the same

[frigid stag]

4k render resolution is peak

[vague atlas]

I want to see CNN as that is actually pretty interesting

[mortal grail]

I can tell that right now you'll see 5070 Ti run away on that but I don't believe it's by the 20% price difference

[vague atlas]

true, although that $600 MSRP is looking a bit bs

seems its only for the first wave of cards

[mortal grail]

Stock is still there tho

[worn wave]

Here: instead of making guesses we can look at a real test

https://youtu.be/nzomNQaPFSk?si=TZZ42eC7OtQYWdzo

[vague atlas]

I have not been able to get a card for MSRP

[mortal grail]

Which is way better than nvidia by miles

[vague atlas]

this is what I sent

he only did a small test

and only ratchet and clank

I haven't seen other people test it

[lone mango]

True 5070 was all sold out at 2 pm yesterday

[mortal grail]

They sold fast but I've seen a lot of near msrp ones. 9070 also has been lingering for msrp

[nocturne flicker]

I don't like CNN. The talking heads are annoying

[vague atlas]

I mean if you can link me a 9070 xt to buy right now I'll do it lol

[dense locust]

The fact that 5070 took hours to sell out says something

[vague atlas]

I've been staring at it for a while today

[worthy meteor]

Every reviewer says they're working on FSR testing

[vague atlas]

lmao

[frigid stag]

You’re a bit late now

[dense locust]

Also doesn’t the 9070 amd 9079xt have a week until it raises in price

[vague atlas]

I tried to buy at launch

newegg just straight up crashed lul

[mortal grail]

The ones left are in store

[vague atlas]

and it doesn't seem like they are going to restock at MSRP

so ggs

[idle nexus]

if I don't get a 5090 HOF, I'll probably just stay with my 4090 for awhile

[frigid stag]

They were there in stock a few hours ago

[vague atlas]

for MSRP? I didn't even get notified ngl

[idle nexus]

I play 4k 144hz so all that fancy DP & HDMI stuff doesn't really appeal to me

[mortal grail]

MC seems to have quite a few msrp cards

[frigid stag]

Well close to msrp

[worthy meteor]

Yea in person microcenter still has stock

[vague atlas]

so not MSRP

[worn wave]

so at least from what we know now, FSR 4 is like the quality of CNN DLSS but at the perf cost of transformer model. Big leap but sort of unfortunate because the transformer model is so good clarity wise you can drop a resolution "tier" for extra perf

[worthy meteor]

For most locations

[mortal grail]

Me buying the 9070 XT is my commitment to skipping all of 50 series

Lol

[frigid stag]

Im sure there was 1or 2

Models of gpus

[vague atlas]

they were gone

like I said, I've been staring at them lol

by the time Newegg loaded for me they were gone

[lone mango]

Dlss 4 is still ahead but the thing is that fsr 4 really is not too far behind. I think it will improve not that long from now

[idle nexus]

4090 Suprim just won't cut it for you? lol

[frigid stag]

😔

[lone mango]

Seems pretty nice

[worthy meteor]

From what we can tell, it's better than DLSS 3 CNN but still worse than DLSS 4 Transformer

[mortal grail]

Yeah the decent priced ones left are in store choices

[vague atlas]

I'm sure I could have spent more time just afking the stock but I also had work

[velvet summit]

💀

[vague atlas]

so my point is the $600 MSRP is abit ehhh

[idle nexus]

extraterrestrials contacted you?

[vague atlas]

its about as existing as the 5070 ti $750 MSRP lol

[worthy meteor]

$600 MSRP is going to disappear in a week as far as we know

[vague atlas]

^

[frigid stag]

I thought msrp was 699 given the prices

[velvet summit]

might as well be
the back of my head is tingling from this random vid youtube recommended me https://youtu.be/uF71MFcQ-r0

[worthy meteor]

Except this time stock is about 5x what 5070ti had

[vague atlas]

suddenly the value proposition is a lot more iffy

[mortal grail]

Gave a good number of people cards tho while it lasted

[frigid stag]

699 was the cheapest I saw

[mortal grail]

For a good value

[vague atlas]

cuz would I go AMD if its $50 less than a 5070 ti? No probably not

[worthy meteor]

We went from 5 5070tis per microcenter to 25+ even 50+ 9070xts per microcenter

[vague atlas]

I would have done $100 though

[idle nexus]

you know when you think you're going to spell something wrong but you try anyway then just sit there waiting for Discord to give you the squiggly red underline & when it doesn't come you think something is broken?

[velvet summit]

idk wtf is going on with their plugin but it's making high pitched noises every time a note plays

💀

[mortal grail]

I saw multiple at msrp but too much crashing meant I got a slightly marked up pulse

[frigid stag]

This statement is way too accurate

[mortal grail]

And this is crazy

Cos like

[velvet summit]

i assume they made the song on mobile so they didn't hear

[mortal grail]

A 5090 is 5800 here

[vague atlas]

Hey can we get game devs to release nothing but dookie games for the next 5 years so demand goes down

thanks

[frigid stag]

It’s a better model at least

[vague atlas]

I need a gpu

[nocturne flicker]

It sounds like it is coming out of a 60 year old speaker

[worthy meteor]

I mean 5070ti stock that was within $200 of MSRP disappeared within 5 minutes when that launched

[mortal grail]

5080 is 2400 here

Yet the xtx and 9070 xt were sub 1400

[frigid stag]

I think some are pretty close to that level

[worthy meteor]

9070xt lasted about an hour

[mortal grail]

Like

[velvet summit]

real (fake)

[vague atlas]

yeah I had one on cart for $800 and held it for too long lol

wasn't quite sure to pull the trigger

[mortal grail]

I could actually care less about nvidia now

Nvidia is ripping off Australia blind

[frigid stag]

Just keep using the 4090

It’s more than fine

[worthy meteor]

I had enough time to buy a $830 card, realize it wouldn't fit, cancel, and buy a different $860 card lol

[mortal grail]

That's not the point

[idle nexus]

this is the only song you need for video game villages regardless of weather https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXrCGT2E97k

[fierce grove]

JUST GOT MY HANDS ON THE HELLHOUND

I MEANT REAPER

[frigid stag]

Would you buy the 5090 if it was 2k

[velvet summit]

the village ballad

[vague atlas]

And like I could have bouht the $720 9070 xts but yiiikes

[mortal grail]

It costs nearly double to buy an nvidia card in australia now and these aren't even scalped

[vague atlas]

at $720 that's just not very good

[mortal grail]

Msrp in AU is a joke

[frigid stag]

No 7900xt or xtx?

[idle nexus]

is that the actual name? lol

[mortal grail]

It never was

[worthy meteor]

Oh wait meant $730 and $780 but anyways

[vague atlas]

No way in hell I'm going 7900 xtx

With FSR3

[frigid stag]

Why not

Does it not get fsr 4?

[vague atlas]

Have you seen FSR3?

No

[fierce grove]

WWW?

[velvet summit]

no im describing what it is lmao
it's a ballad (type of music)

[mortal grail]

YES

WELL DONE

[misty sparrow]

To be honest you chose to live in Australia

[mortal grail]

KEEP IT

[vague atlas]

FSR4 is exclusive to the 9070s

[worthy meteor]

Oh nice MSRP 9070

[idle nexus]

isn't RDNA 4 the only one that can do FSR4 or something tho?

[fierce grove]

I DID GOOD??

[velvet summit]

often romantical

[fierce grove]

YESSSS

[frigid stag]

I mean for the extra performance you get with it you might not need fsr

[vague atlas]

since it actually uses hardware

[mortal grail]

I woke up here dude

[vague atlas]

def not

[fierce grove]

I DID GOOD?

[mortal grail]

Yes

Very good

Very very good

[vague atlas]

you aren't making up rendering at like 60% res in any world

[idle nexus]

I did this stupid test thing yesterday & learned what a sonnet is finally lol

[mortal grail]

Msrp 9070 or 9070 xt is huge W

[vague atlas]

even with the performance overhead that upscaling has

[dense locust]

Yeah it’ll prob raise in price next week

[idle nexus]

three quatrains & a couplet ftw

[velvet summit]

lmao

[frigid stag]

60% render res dang

That’s like 768p

[idle nexus]

too many options on rhyme schemes tho

I gave up

[misty sparrow]

Really why?

[mortal grail]

@frigid stag here's a wake up call

[frigid stag]

Stores want more money

[idle nexus]

ABAB CDCD EFEF GG or something lol

[mortal grail]

I can get a v8 commo or rx 8 for the price of a 5090

Make sense of that

[frigid stag]

😭

[dense locust]

https://videocardz.com/newz/retailer-confirms-radeon-rx-9070-msrp-only-applies-to-first-shipments-price-set-to-increase-later?s

[idle nexus]

what's a commo? Camaro? lol

[lone mango]

[idle nexus]

it just occurred to me

[worthy meteor]

You can see they're going up on the best buy listings earlier

[frigid stag]

You’re either first or you’re last

[idle nexus]

I'm still listening to the kakariko village song

[mortal grail]

For 1140 aud instead of 5800 aud I can buy 50% of a 5090 perf with 9070 XT and not spend 5800 aud

[lone mango]

[idle nexus]

only a Sith deals in absolutes

[dense locust]

I’m glad I don’t have to worry about a gpu for years

[mortal grail]

Idk how else I can communicate how screwed up australia is

[lone mango]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[idle nexus]

years?

[mortal grail]

Nvidia has abandoned Australia

[dense locust]

I’m running my gpu to death

[idle nexus]

I still haven't killed a GPU

[vague atlas]

That's the balanced preset, and at 4k its still a lot of res

[idle nexus]

now a CPU... that's a different story

[dense locust]

I’m sure my 5080 will last a while

[frigid stag]

Yes you need a pretty good card for 4k

[misty sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/841075298195472434/1097861481997017139/D5DF3C8E-CDFF-4B1C-B506-A865B8009383.gif

[vague atlas]

which is why I'm buying a 9070 xt

[idle nexus]

5080 should've been 24gb

5070 should've been 16gb

[vague atlas]

I was playing with a 3080 at 4k

¯_(ツ)_/¯

until that thing broke lmao

[idle nexus]

5060 should've been 12 (I'm sure it'll be 8 cuz derp)

broke how?

[lone mango]

It is

And its doa

[vague atlas]

moved houses and wasn't totally careful moving my build

[idle nexus]

thanks Intel lol

[lone mango]

I think 9060 is too

[idle nexus]

where is it now?

lol

[vague atlas]

or right

[mortal grail]

LMFAOOOOOOOO

[vague atlas]

sitting in the corner of shame

currently using a modded 5700

[mortal grail]

DUDE I CAN AFFORD A SKYLINE NOW FOR A 5090

[idle nexus]

what broke on it?

[mortal grail]

WHAT A JOKE

[lone mango]

Apparently the 9060 xt has a 16 and 8 gig variant

[vague atlas]

Not entirely sure what pert of the VRAM but something in there

most likely a solder broke apart

its super finnicky

too expensive to repair would rather just get a new card

I don't particularly have a reballing station

[mortal grail]

@idle nexus hope you realise seeing the astral price how I won't touch a 5090

Like ever

[icy ore]

[idle nexus]

ya that's insane

[mortal grail]

Nvidia can suck eggs

[vague atlas]

and I've already tried to diagnose it as much as possible lol

I'm pretty much done with the card I'm just going to frame it and put it on my wall lmfao

[mortal grail]

My 4090 suprim was 3.2K

Absolute joke

[idle nexus]

lol my HOF was more but I don't wanna talk about it

[mortal grail]

HOF here will be the price of a new car watch

[vague atlas]

Pretty sure that poor PCIe 6 pin connector is screaming at me

[misty sparrow]

If I can get one LG G-series OLED for less than something you know they messed up

[mortal grail]

Watch this space

[vague atlas]

put a solid 80 or so cycles of just plugging it and out

[idle nexus]

damn so there's no obvious physical damage & stuff ig

you're obviously far beyond some noob so nvm lol

[lone mango]

How much you think I could sell a 5600, b550 itx board and 32g ddr4 for

[idle nexus]

I really wouldn't be surprised if 5090 HOF is like $7.5K

[vague atlas]

Nah, tried to do a simple reflow at a local shop but that didn't revive it

and honestly the full reballing is just way too pricey

too much for a 3080 at least

[mortal grail]

Meaning Australians pay like 15 grand

[misty sparrow]

For the price of that 5090 what would you all buy anyway?

[mortal grail]

Which is a new car

That's a new bloody volkswagen

[idle nexus]

really? I thought they'd give you a discount if someone bled all over it

[mortal grail]

3500 aud at this point

[idle nexus]

jk I'm just being a clown I know what you mean

[fresh timber]

Do yall know what who Eaton is

[idle nexus]

for real tho I don't even wanna pay attention to 50 series cards until like November

[mortal grail]

Baseball guy

[misty sparrow]

There’s an alternative method of coupons

[fresh timber]

No. The tech company

[misty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/moistcritikal-penguinz-uber-discount-100-percent-gif-12658192292382107278

[idle nexus]

Eaton? that's a brand that makes electrical panels. I think they're merged with Cutler-Hammer

[mortal grail]

Baseball guy

[vague atlas]

But honestly I bought a used 5700 xt (technically a 5700 with a bios swap but same thing) and this thing is great

[fresh timber]

Yuh, look what I got

[vague atlas]

its getting me through 1440p gaming like a champ

and I got the thing for $60 so that was nice

[mortal grail]

Ya that's the baseball company

[idle nexus]

lol wth that's definitely their logo

[fresh timber]

No it’s not

[mortal grail]

I had gloves, mits and bats from them growing up

[fresh timber]

I also have their calander

[idle nexus]

lol baseball is EASTON

[mortal grail]

Oh

Whoops

[vague atlas]

Guys can we get FSR added to photoshop AMD says it runs like doo doo

[fresh timber]

Should I open my Pokemon card

[mortal grail]

Well forgive me for one letter lmao

[idle nexus]

I had their TPX bats like 20 years ago

[vague atlas]

I kinda really like Adrenalin

[dense locust]

Honestly photoshop does run like dodo

[idle nexus]

why is an electrical components company making collector cards? lol

[vague atlas]

Like I thought I wouldn't really like it more than the Nvidia app but I super fw it

[fresh timber]

They make more

[fierce grove]

im bouta get the 9700x now as well @mortal grail muyahahhaha

[fierce grove]

im actually pretty happy rn

me get the 9700x

and gonna have super good pc

muahahhahaha

[fresh timber]

Ehhh

[fierce grove]

wdym ehh ts is fire

[mortal grail]

Nice

[fierce grove]

micro centers lowkey a w

because anti scalping

[mortal grail]

It is

[idle nexus]

oh wait I think TPX was a differnt company...

[vague atlas]

Call me crazy but honestly like 90% of modern CPUs are more than fine

[dense locust]

Meanwhile my pc has a 5600x 32gb 3200mhz ram and a 5080

[fierce grove]

they prob are

[fierce grove]

freaky ahh pc

3200 is freaky

[vague atlas]

Like I couldn't tell you if I was running a 5800x3d, 7800x3d or a 9800x3d cuz all my games are GPU locked anyways

[fierce grove]

6000 is better

[vague atlas]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fierce grove]

@mortal grail did i do a good job with the 9070

LOL

secured that shi

[vague atlas]

I was running a 3600 with the 3080 and then swapped in a 5800x3d

[idle nexus]

ya Louisville Slugger made the TPX bats apparently

[vague atlas]

a whole total of 2 games saw an increase of framerates lol

[misty sparrow]

Did you place the entirety of your budget on the 5080 or something

[mortal grail]

Stop asking. Yes. Lol

Me rn^

[idle nexus]

#tbt

[vague atlas]

Typa thing I'd do

tbf I'm also planning to move to a main 4k panel so maybe I'm biased towards the GPU

been using a secondary 4k 60hz miniled panel and my god

its so goooood

[fierce grove]

i’m just proud bruh LOL

very proud

somebody hype me up

[idle nexus]

heck Louisville Slugger made the Omaha bats too? what Easton bat did I have then wth

[vague atlas]

ended up buying the 160hz version of the same panel to put as my main

[idle nexus]

Redlineee

Easton made Redline

oh ya

[fresh timber]

Yall wanna see what Pokemon I got

[dense locust]

No I got my pc in 2019

It had a 1070

[misty sparrow]

Hm

[dense locust]

I’m going to upgrade but I blew my current budget on a gpu

I mean it works

Small bottleneck

[idle nexus]

if you stepped up to the plate with one of these bad boys, people knew you meant business

yes I am still talking about this but I'll stop

[vague atlas]

lowkey my point, I'd probably not even notice a bottleneck lmfao

just crank them settings up till its gone

[lone mango]

sotru...

[idle nexus]

I hate Steel Nomad lol

kinda surprised 5080 isn't higher

[lone mango]

Even the wholesome seller that has good deals on everything is over msrp

That card does look very nice tho

[idle nexus]

meh http://www.3dmark.com/sn/1997179

[mortal grail]

Ah so tired af

[fresh timber]

Good good

[idle nexus]

lol is this like Pokemon cards?

[fresh timber]

You think I can get all 4 sticks to run 3700 MHz

[mortal grail]

Up all night answering 9070 questions

[fresh timber]

Yes

[idle nexus]

which CPU again?

do they all match? lol

[fresh timber]

13600kf

Match, no their SLIGHTLY diffrent, but if the Mitch match in my server can do it I belive in my Corsair

[idle nexus]

you shoudl be able to do like 4k in G1

btw I learned

if you have 4 sticks

& they don't match

put one set in A1 A2 & one set in B1 B2

apparently that works better

[fresh timber]

I can do that

[idle nexus]

my poor 13900KS

heck it doesn't even wanna do 62x on a single core with HT disabled anymore

I really need to glue this back together & RMA lol

what are XMPs? was this the Micron memory from a few days ago? I forget lol

[lone mango]

I think they will deny since you took off the heat spreader

[idle nexus]

that's what the glue is for

[lone mango]

Right, but they might be able to tell

[idle nexus]

I have a tool that should put it back on pretty well that I've never opened

[wise wigeon]

Oh Gratz how did you manage that

[lone mango]

If you use a small amount and align it really well then you are probably good

[idle nexus]

there now there's nothing unsightly in the picture except my mouse

[lone mango]

Man upgrading is gonna be expensive for me

[fierce grove]

microcenter

[fresh timber]

Ngl I’m debating downgrading to 16gb in my pc

I realize 32gb is overkill now that I have 2nd rig

[fierce grove]

also @wise wigeon ima be honest, im here at the store, the qoled doesn’t even look that good, the 4k uhd looks better ngl

[lone mango]

Nahhh its pretty easy for windows to use half of that

[idle nexus]

have you ever used RadeonMod? I'm pretty sure it's like NvidiaProfileInspector for AMD

[lone mango]

After long enough I would have like 8g taken up idle

[idle nexus]

get some samsung bdie & you'll be good to go

or get 2x16gb DJR & run Gear 2

at like 5000

[fresh timber]

Radeon mod?

[idle nexus]

gear 1 probably better tho tbh

[fresh timber]

When I get more money ngl I’ll check it out

[idle nexus]

I'm using it for an ancient HD7970 so no clue if it'll work on more modern hardware

[mortal grail]

Never needed such a thing

[fresh timber]

lol

[idle nexus]

do modern Radeon cards let Afterburner address the voltage controller directly?

[fresh timber]

I need another gpu to setup my nas, after that I can remove it

[mortal grail]

To a driver limit yes

Wow you've really never touched rdna have you

Lmfao

[idle nexus]

does that "extend limits" thing work in settings?

nope

this HD7970 is my newest AMD card lol

[mortal grail]

Never seen this

[idle nexus]

it's at the bottom of AB settings

[mortal grail]

Amd doesn't let you go beyond safe spec for voltage

[fresh timber]

Rdna2 lets you

[idle nexus]

this ancient card has a program that you can use to edit vBIOS then resign them so it'll let you flash

[fresh timber]

:))

[mortal grail]

You don't use AB with rdna

You use mct/mpt or adrenalin

[fresh timber]

I edited my rx6600 to have a pl of 150, amd drivers only allow 120 so I have to mpt it

I made the mistake of not increasing clock speed with it tho

[idle nexus]

have you used SapphireTrix?

[mortal grail]

Yes

[idle nexus]

at the bottom

[mortal grail]

Admittedly not much

But also

Trixx just works

I don't need to think with trixx

[fresh timber]

I wonder with enough tuning if I can get my rx6600 to perform like a 6600xt

[idle nexus]

my only issue with Trixx is it won't show voltage for memory

[mortal grail]

Yeah never tried it. Cos AB isn't good with rdna

You don't have like 2/3 of all the sliders

[lone mango]

It must be screaming

[mortal grail]

AB is an nvidia pick not amd imo

[fresh timber]

I wanna cooler swap it

It gets HOT

[mortal grail]

Not sure about pre rdna but def rdna I wouldn't do AB

[lone mango]

Maybe deshroud it

[lone mango]

Yeah its a 50% increase over what it is supposed to do

[fresh timber]

Ngl I wanna try that mzxt AIO thing

[lone mango]

Honestly surprised it doesnt throttle

[fresh timber]

Side note, why does my ryzen computer boot and turn off a lot faster than my Intel one

[idle nexus]

you know afterburner has a command line thing to try to try to locate the i2cd bus thing for the voltage controller?

[mortal grail]

I vaguely remember this yeah

[idle nexus]

I think after 900 series you couldn't do that anymroe with nvidia dunno about AMD tho

heck so I should be using Adrenalin instead of AB for this card?

isn't Adrenalin like the driver or something lmao

I think you need RadeonMod program so you can set Tessellation & LOD levels

that's for hwbot clowning not actually anything useful afik

[mortal grail]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/radeon/s/XgddMMQZIj

💀

[lone mango]

[mortal grail]

Americans don't realise just how good they have it

[opaque sedge]

Wbt Australian..

Or is it nonexistent

[idle nexus]

lol

[mortal grail]

I got a pulse

[fresh timber]

Lmfao I was looking for that

[opaque sedge]

…why pulse specifically

[rancid juniper]

ur alive

[mortal grail]

...cos it was the one I managed to grab

[idle nexus]

may want to put like a rag or paper towel between the screw & the channellocks tho so you don't scratch the heck out of it

[opaque sedge]

Cool cool cool

[mortal grail]

[mortal grail]

[opaque sedge]

I was almost abt to grab a hammer then do smth to smth and then head to microcenter

[mortal grail]

Sold out

[opaque sedge]

Wut

[mortal grail]

9070 is left

XT gone