general-chat

[elfin mural]

but the 5070ti is supposed to have 96 rops

5090 also has this same oddity too

on some cards

it's missing rops

[wise wigeon]

yeah like a small portion of them are sitting at 88

which is totally grounds for a rma

[elfin mural]

and a lawsuit

[dense locust]

No im talking about why the 5080 wasn’t affected

[wise wigeon]

dunno

[dense locust]

Or is it effected

[elfin mural]

yeah

[dense locust]

Whatever it’s late

[elfin mural]

it's binning

it could be affected too, who knows

cuz even a 5090 has that problem

[wise wigeon]

nvidia only acknowledged the 90 and 70 ti

[elfin mural]

so far no one found a 5080 with less than advertised rops

[dense locust]

90 70ti has missing cores
5080 has black screens

[elfin mural]

cuz no one can get a card

[dense locust]

I haven’t checked my card

[wise wigeon]

all teh cards are haveing black screen issues

[elfin mural]

The latest driver is causing that issue

[dense locust]

How do I check on Linux

[sweet phoenix]

I mean, $220 for a good 1650 is pretty reasonable

There's a 1200 d.f something or other for $130 though lol

[dense locust]

Driver(s)

[fresh timber]

That’s no good

[wise wigeon]

yeah except i cant go like 3 days without a psu on finals week

[sweet phoenix]

Also A or B tier

[wise wigeon]

so i'm kind of capped to psus that come next day or i can pick up

[elfin mural]

nvidia loves black screen issues

[wise wigeon]

any corsair psu i can pick up

[sweet phoenix]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BYB75CYX?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[wise wigeon]

i'm surrouneded in best buys that have em

[sweet phoenix]

Whats the shipping date on that?

Any Rm variant

They might have the msi Agl

[elfin mural]

https://youtu.be/V_8ezz9DyAs

[wise wigeon]

150

[elfin mural]

this guy bought a bomb psu

[sweet phoenix]

Maybe montech century g5?

[wise wigeon]

they do

[sweet phoenix]

Gross

[elfin mural]

out of all things

he cheaped out in the psu

[wise wigeon]

smart series

yuck

[elfin mural]

and corsair ddr4

mmmm, corrupted os

[wise wigeon]

it was weird the core reactor was 110 yesterday but wouldnt come til like friday

now its back at 130 and can come tomorrow

[elfin mural]

that typo tho

[wise wigeon]

ikr

core reactor and c1000 are sitting within the + or - 10 dollar range of my current psu

like if this psu was past return period i woulda been like whatever

but its not

[sweet phoenix]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DLHB1QVR?

[hoary zodiac]

bang for your buck

yeah it'll bang alright

[wise wigeon]

yeah thats also at 130

[sweet phoenix]

theres also the gv1000

[wise wigeon]

only issue is non modular

also 130

[elfin mural]

go bang

[wise wigeon]

the vetroo

?

[sweet phoenix]

yeah

[wise wigeon]

also 130

heard it has some coil whine issues though

[sweet phoenix]

hm

[sweet phoenix]

i mean

[wise wigeon]

aris took it off his best list because he had a lot of comments about it

[sweet phoenix]

be quiet

lol

[wise wigeon]

why aint the modular one available 😭

[sweet phoenix]

F

wb the 2 1200w psus from enermax

[wise wigeon]

yeah the one you linked is not modular

[sweet phoenix]

they're both a/b tier and 130-150ish

[wise wigeon]

like wednesday

[sweet phoenix]

oof

[wise wigeon]

that core reactor for 110 woulda been crazy

i didnt jump on it beacuse it woulda been in on friday

and i guess they just got stock again

but now the shipping aint doodoo

corsair really decided 120 for 750, 135 for 850 then 189 for 1000

[dense locust]

1000w premium

[wise wigeon]

man when i bought the psu i was like yeah it'll be fine

i was hoping for a 5080 but a 7900xtx was factored in

like rhe rm850x is great

its just sandwiched between pretty decent 1000w psus lol

[dense locust]

Just underclock ez

[wise wigeon]

so the xtx i have rn i'm returning

bent io + all three DP ports are bent

functional but bent

but i'm not paying 1k for a mangled product

[dense locust]

Was it new?

[wise wigeon]

yeah

ups drop kicked it

[dense locust]

They be sending you GameStop new gpus

Wow

[wise wigeon]

and bestbuy kinda just slapped a sticker and sent it

[dense locust]

They doing that with everything now

[wise wigeon]

but the nitro plus model was 30 more dollars and is from amazon so they wouldnt charge me til they shipped

so i had that as a backup

[fresh timber]

Wanna know what’s fun

[wise wigeon]

since bestbuy likes cncelling orders

well i got the card and uh yeah

its whatever

[sweet phoenix]

rm850x is basically a 1000w psu

[wise wigeon]

i'm fine i'm fine rm850x is hella overbuilt

[sweet phoenix]

you're running a 9800x3d off this right?

[wise wigeon]

yeh

[sweet phoenix]

youre fine

youre more than fine

rmx is one of the highest quality main stream psus

[wise wigeon]

i'll probably set a -10 pl and an undervolt when i fintd the time

[sweet phoenix]

the 850w can handle a 14900k+4090

[wise wigeon]

its just the nitro plus draws a lil more than the xtx

[sweet phoenix]

you'll be alr nw

[wise wigeon]

think out the box it can hit like 450

[sweet phoenix]

youd be fine with an rm750x

[wise wigeon]

ikik

just hear all those horror stories and it affect you you know?

like omg i had bad coil whine and i swapped to a 1000w and vamoosh

i'm pretty sensitive to sound so

coil whine bothers me a bit

but realitically its gonna be a thing if i have a high end card

[devout forum]

hold on a sec

the DLSS upgrades are coming to 30 series too right?

[wise wigeon]

all rtx

[devout forum]

DLSS 4.0 I mean

sans FG

[wise wigeon]

yeh

all the way to 2000 series

[devout forum]

p sure FG is locked to 40 series but

Meh

[wise wigeon]

fg is nice to have if you have the base framerate

[devout forum]

3080 Ti for 200k HUF would STILL do high refresh rate 1440p

[wise wigeon]

i mean yeah

[devout forum]

like 120hz is fairly simple

[wise wigeon]

its a lil faster than a 7800xt

[devout forum]

and I can get it 20% cheaper so

That's most definitely a W

[wise wigeon]

go for it if its reliable

[devout forum]

EVGA FTW3 Ultra

[wise wigeon]

i meant the seller

[devout forum]

ah

[wise wigeon]

but i had a 3080 ftw3 ultra

good cooler

set a fan limit

[dense locust]

Upgrading your pc? You mean Buying a new monitor?

[wise wigeon]

it goes up to like 3500

[wise wigeon]

i'm sure this is a jest but there are people who genuinely have bad spec and think this

[jagged shuttle]

Hello I Need Help

[topaz crown]

Hello @jagged shuttle! It appears that you're asking for help. Please ask again in the appropriate category so you can get faster help from people specializing in that field. Your question may not be answered here.

[wise wigeon]

what do you need

[devout forum]

I can get a Waterforce 3090

[wise wigeon]

also undervolt

[jagged shuttle]

actually i am a biggner i Dont Know advance in Pc We Buy Pc in Market But Now Not Working

[devout forum]

though that 3090 is closing in on 4080 pricing

[wise wigeon]

no

[devout forum]

ye

had to check

[wise wigeon]

3080 ti is like basically a 3090 in raster

it just has less vram

[wise wigeon]

like a prebuilt?

[jagged shuttle]

Yes

[devout forum]

oh I can also get a 3090 for cheaper

[jagged shuttle]

I think pc not building Properly because you can see wire & Pc Not Working

[wise wigeon]

its really hard to decipher things without more detail

what have you tried

[devout forum]

@wise wigeon NGL I'm not entirely sure whether the VRAM on the 3090 is worth it

[wise wigeon]

up to you

double the vram is always nice

[devout forum]

that's around a 20% cost increase for the extra VRAM

[fresh timber]

Life keeps getting fun

[wise wigeon]

thats really on you

[fresh timber]

My 2nd seems to have cooler malfunction

[devout forum]

However, that extra VRAM would also make it last way longer

[fresh timber]

I’m fixing it Tommrow

[wise wigeon]

i mean its your money

[icy ore]

[devout forum]

it's just a tough call

[wise wigeon]

with that 20 percent increase what other options open up to you

[devout forum]

6950XT for 250k, 7900 GRE for 248k, 4070 for 239k, 7800 XR for 230k

[wise wigeon]

like does the 7900xt come into play?

[devout forum]

Negative

[wise wigeon]

unlucky

[wise wigeon]

GRE and 6950xt are same performance range

but lack the RT

and dlss

[devout forum]

I feel like the 3090 is still a better deal at that price

[sweet phoenix]

gre

[wise wigeon]

how tight is you budget and how big will this price diff hit you

[devout forum]

cuz it can technically RT at 1440p

[sweet phoenix]

w/o a doubt

[wise wigeon]

vs a 3090?

[sweet phoenix]

they're equivelant, the gre has much more conservative power draw

[wise wigeon]

fair

[devout forum]

GRE and 3090 is the same price yes

both used

New GRE is almost 7900 XT price

[wise wigeon]

how is power price in hungary

[sweet phoenix]

id heavily lean towards gre personally

[devout forum]

Yes

[sweet phoenix]

3090 temps and wattage go crazy

[devout forum]

750w enough for it?

[wise wigeon]

on no

[sweet phoenix]

for a gre yeah

[wise wigeon]

not the 3090

[devout forum]

That settles it lmao

but

Do note

[wise wigeon]

is it at least a good750w

[devout forum]

FTW3 Ultra 3080 Ti is 20% cheaper than the GRE

[devout forum]

A-tier

but yes

[sage sluice]

Was watching jschlatt take a tism test and decided to take it myself

[devout forum]

I feel like the cheaper 3080 Ti could very well be the winner

[wise wigeon]

3080 ti is 350w

[devout forum]

GRE is close in draw iirc

[wise wigeon]

260

[sweet phoenix]

what model psu do you have

[wise wigeon]

undervolting does significantly drop power draw

[devout forum]

with a 7700X it's like 410 watts total load

that SHOULD be sweet spot for a 750

[wise wigeon]

ftw3 ultra comes with a pretty knarly bios

but power limits and undervolt should keep you in line

pretty conservatiev undervolts drop power draw a lot

is it a newer psu?

[devout forum]

my point is that it SHOULD have the power to work at 1440p

[sweet phoenix]

purely depends on your psu

3080 ti has crazy spikes

[wise wigeon]

like it has pcie5 and atx 3.0 or 3.1 spec?

[devout forum]

Chieftec PowerPlay GPU-750FC 750W

[wise wigeon]

ok well idk what to make of that

[devout forum]

80+ Gold, A-tier on Cultist

[sweet phoenix]

hmmm

worth trying

[wise wigeon]

looks rather old to me

[sweet phoenix]

worst case scenario power limit

[devout forum]

only complaint Cultist has is that the fan is a ball bearing one

so it MIGHT be loud

[sweet phoenix]

downside over the gre is less vram but thats abt it

other than power draw

[misty sparrow]

can you send me the link so i can take it too?

i want to see if i pass

[wise wigeon]

pretty conservative undervolt probably drops it to around 300w

its just the power spikes

didnt realize the ti was only like 50w more than the 80

[sage sluice]

Hope you pass
https://embrace-autism.com/raads-r/#test

[wise wigeon]

is the temp issues of the 90 that crazy over the ti?

because they have the same power draw

[devout forum]

For reference

the Powerplay PSUs are gud

2020 designs, so fairly recent

[wise wigeon]

we have differnt definitions of recent but its seems ok

[devout forum]

I don't much care for ATX 3.0 rn

[wise wigeon]

well its not because its newer

[sweet phoenix]

it could be fine, it could not be

worst case scenario, power limit

the 3080/ti and 3090 were tripping A tier 850s

[wise wigeon]

its because atx 3.0 is more strict

it has higher requirements to pass

also

[sweet phoenix]

rmx is basically atx 3.0 lol

[wise wigeon]

how many pcie does your 750w have

ftw3 ultra is gonna need 3 8pins

[devout forum]

See that could actually be an issue

[wise wigeon]

that 3090 looks like a trinity oc

[devout forum]

I think that's only 2 8pins

[wise wigeon]

it needs 2 8 pins

[sweet phoenix]

one could be daisy chained

[wise wigeon]

at least according to TPU

zotac website is buggin on me rn

[sweet phoenix]

for a 3x8 pin gpu as long as it doesnt need much more than 375w its fine

2x8pin is 300w, pcie slot is 75w

[wise wigeon]

should be fine, evga just has a nutters bios out the box

[devout forum]

these are the cables of the PSU

[wise wigeon]

think the ftw3 u bios for 3080-90 were like 450w limites

should work

not ideal but should work

[misty sparrow]

are you serious

this is BS

damn

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-cant-sleep-mad-kyoko-toshino-yuru-yuri-gif-14130189

[hoary zodiac]

Wtf

NO

wait a sec

@elfin mural

Thanks 🙏🏻

[elfin mural]

banished

[elfin mural]

i got a total of 115

we may be autistic

self diagnosis is hella unreliable tho

[hoary zodiac]

To be fair

We're on discord

The probability of you meeting an autistic person on discord is higher than in real life

[wind quail]

Not only that but they tend to attract to each other soo

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-barnacles-funny-gif-gif-14509494416451968887

[hoary zodiac]

#linux-and-android

[wind quail]

Tbh

[wicked oriole]

https://www.newegg.com/kingspec-4tb-xg-7000-series/p/0D9-000D-00175

would this be okay for gaming? does it offer dram cache?

and also if my MB has a heatsink on ssd for it will i still need to install the heatsink that comes with ssd?/is it safe to use both heatsinks?

[wind quail]

1 I've never ever heard of this brand so i wouldn't trust it, 2 it's an overpriced drive even for a really premium one, 3 you don't need a dram cache these days because of HMB (uses like 50mb of your pc ram if no dram cache) dram cache was only a big thing for sata drives, 4 you can't use both heatsinks but that drive doesn't come with one anyway, you can use either your motherboard or the one that comes with the drive

[wicked oriole]

ok thank you

[wind quail]

Kingspec is probably fine if the reviews are okay, seem to be a new entry but idk them

[mortal grail]

Non-pro is just ok dramless

[wind quail]

Felix you heard of kingspec before?

[mortal grail]

I was recommending them for a few months

[wind quail]

Ah okay I've never even seen them on pcpp

[mortal grail]

Idk what the price is on that one but if it's a normal one and costs more than others it's likely meh

[wind quail]

Also just realised that drive is 4tb not 2 so that's actually normal price

[wind quail]

It's the xg7000 and it's around 200

[mortal grail]

Ah the "with heatsink" shenanigans

It's a sticker

Lmao

[wind quail]

@wicked oriole ignore the part i said about kingspec seems to be good

Just never heard of em before

[wind quail]

Figured that may have been the case

Which is so dumb

[mortal grail]

@wicked oriole
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Fd3NnQ/klevv-cras-c910-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-k04tbm2sp0-c91

[mortal grail]

Kingspec no longer best friend.
Klevv now new best friend

🔥

C910 is decent for budget

[wind quail]

Klevv is underrated tbf

[mortal grail]

Need more klevv here

Teamgroup better here

[west topaz]

Anybody able to make me a build thats good for both streaming & gaming? Budget: $2K

[wind quail]

You in the US?

[west topaz]

Yeah

[wind quail]

Gimme a sec, care about rgb colour scheme or anything like that?

[west topaz]

Not the end of the world not to have but would prefer

[wind quail]

You'd prefer rgb and all black or something?

[west topaz]

Yeah

[rancid juniper]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-series-gaming-performance-leaked-rx-9070xt-is-42-faster-on-average-than-7900-gre-at-4k

[still sun]

holy crap lol

I think they win

some pretty nice gains

[dusk knot]

Enough with these leaks. Releases them….

[velvet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/809840106478502011/1343223984648486942/Gka1Zy6WcAA_LRK.jpg?ex=67bc7e51&is=67bb2cd1&hm=c17095e9d2449feb9700118971e4b554075add34b3caffb919d75fd9d323c9c8&

[craggy shoal]

nice

good morning weggers

[gentle canyon]

The leaks range from equal to 7800 XT to beating out the XTX it makes no sense

Just gotta wait for trusted reviewers to show us actual performance

[velvet summit]

Wait
This is actually gonna be so sad, now that Biden is no longer the president of the United States, we won't get more memes of him tripping over stairs and missing a turn

[rancid juniper]

Absolutely, it's all over the place

[craggy shoal]

True but I like a better economy

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-biden-smile-reaction-gif-gif-6602333999158339483

Bro Graced us with one more meme

[craggy shoal]

Bruh he's so old I can't believe he was president

[rancid juniper]

Before he left

[craggy shoal]

Trump isn't too far off either like bruh 😭

Goofy country we live in fr

[rancid juniper]

Needs someone younger next time ._.

Seriously

[craggy shoal]

Yeah hopefully that happens next election season

[velvet summit]

2 men compete to be the oldest presidents in the history of the nation

[rancid juniper]

Objective: survive

[craggy shoal]

💀

I see more positivity with Trump though. I feel it's less likely we'll have younger nominations with younger candidates than it would've been last election year

But still hopefully we get somebody who's like ~55 y/o max

[rancid juniper]

Better happen

[velvet summit]

https://m.scp-343.com/vids/Happy Birthday%2C Me.mp4

[remote geode]

do y'all think that 15in is good for a secondary monitor

[rancid juniper]

🤔

[velvet summit]

depends on what you do but i would say not

[idle nexus]

lol play pretend. Dual [dummy] HOF 4090 setup for $360? ehhh? https://www.ebay.com/itm/267156955915?

[remote geode]

for discord

[craggy shoal]

Nice reverse proxy lol (it's okay I also barely know what I'm doing)

[rancid juniper]

Vertical then yea

[velvet summit]

when laziness meets function (ish)

[craggy shoal]

dawg what is this lol

https://tenor.com/search/rock+sus-gifs

[velvet summit]

the only thing i've been using my domain for so far was just for game servers

[craggy shoal]

oh 💀

OHH

[idle nexus]

Klev ftw I'm running those $75/each 32gb sticks for daily lol

[velvet summit]

LMFAO

[craggy shoal]

I was wondering why it was taking so long to load. It was rendering the gif among the whole viewport 💀

[velvet summit]

i was originally going to make an actual front page but uhh

i've procrastinated for like

1 year? 2 years? at this point

[rancid juniper]

What elite procrastination does to a mf

[velvet summit]

professional competitive procrastination

[rancid juniper]

If this was comp I'd probably win

[idle nexus]

oh man now there's a sport I would dominate in

[rancid juniper]

[rancid juniper]

"I can do it another day"
"Eh maybe tomorrow"
"Too tired Imma sleep and do it the next day"

My top 3 procrast skills

[craggy shoal]

Yo this is actually crazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9qwQzfLN0k

does mid 70s in Forza at 4K

[rancid juniper]

Posted that yesterday, you're seeing an igpu running FH5 at 4k ultra

4K

Ultra...

[craggy shoal]

I must've missed it

Yeah that's nuts

[rancid juniper]

Cyberpunk at 1440p ultra with fsr

This is just... Insane

[idle nexus]

how much upscaling? lol

[craggy shoal]

Native

[rancid juniper]

It WAS ACTUALLY NATIVE

[craggy shoal]

it's crazy

lmao

[rancid juniper]

And Hitting over 60

[idle nexus]

gthecko

native lol how 2020

[rancid juniper]

I never thought to see igpus get this strong so quick

[proud jackal]

somtimes i regret getting 4k monitor

[velvet summit]

oh

[rancid juniper]

Like, it's so strong they don't call it 980m or something no.. but 8060s

[idle nexus]

I heart 4k

[rancid juniper]

1440p for me

[craggy shoal]

I need 4K for Hell Let Loose

[idle nexus]

lol it can't be a 980m

I have a 980m

in an aging Asus laptop

[craggy shoal]

I need the pixel density lol

[rancid juniper]

4gb

[velvet summit]

the game has been open for 450 hours and i have not had a single instance of it being off for more than 6 hours

[idle nexus]

where there's a will market, there's a way

how long until Asus just slaps a screen on the back of a 5090 with a pi glued on it & sells it as a $10k Ally 8?

[idle nexus]

lol this will be how Nintendo Switch 2's hardware looks pathetic already on launch day?

[elfin mural]

what game is this

[rancid juniper]

LMAO

Switch games gonna carry it anyways

And besides that APU is dummy expensive

Like a cracked CPU + igpu paired with high speed ram is bound to be over $1k easily

[idle nexus]

ah right like last time

[craggy shoal]

Could be a gaming laptop for my gf though for when she's traveling hmmm

[rancid juniper]

Yea

[idle nexus]

Pokemon Sword 2 running 45fps at still 1080p coming soon

[rancid juniper]

They finally taking their sweet time to not be like the disaster that was pokemon scarlet and violet

[velvet summit]

idle game
antimatter dimensions

[idle nexus]

I mean how hard is it at this point

[elfin mural]

oh this one

[idle nexus]

[new character] starts journey + [scientist who needs help with [x]] + gym battles + [random pseudo-criminal organization with world domination/other silly thing that affects all Pokemon or something] + [moderately annoying rival] + beat Elite Four = Pokemon game

[ancient swift]

Compared to PC it will yeah. Current estimates are around PS4 performance. So steam Deck basically.

I think I'm more hoping for CPU and ram improvements that are expected. Will be a good step for Nintendo games

[wind quail]

Sorry got distracted , could be worth waiting for the 9070xt but hard to know
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q7j3Nz

[devout forum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0xAqkzQ53k

His source: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-series-gaming-performance-leaked-rx-9070xt-is-42-faster-on-average-than-7900-gre-at-4k

[sage sluice]

I see way more autistic people online than offline I'll say that much

[frigid stag]

Oh for sure

Nice scam

[velvet summit]

real

[cinder summit]

none frmm newegg got back to me

its been 4 day

[rancid juniper]

Terrible bait

Try again

[cinder summit]

still my account ti blocked

[velvet summit]

where did you even contact

[cinder summit]

8 year old account

[frigid stag]

@mods

[cinder summit]

4 days ago here and email

not sure whats going on with newegg but hear a lot of ppl getting blocked and order voided

credit card approved no fraud and then next day newegg refund and block access to the account

[velvet summit]

hmm

strange

[cinder summit]

been customer for like 8 years

[weak cedar]

Can it blacklist the misspelled url

[cinder summit]

i guess not anymore

[velvet summit]

there are a few dozens of them

[weak cedar]

O rip

[velvet summit]

tbh the actual employees don't look in this chat
did you contact neweggservice? or did you dm somebody else?

[weak cedar]

So it's a list that keeps growing

[cinder summit]

both here and email and chat

i jsut want to know if i have to make a new account or not.

[velvet summit]

i meant dming the newegg service account

[dusk knot]

Done

[cinder summit]

anyway im not looking for the stupid combo 5090 but i coudnt participate for shuffle friday . Kind sucks

[weak cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/freddie-mercury-another-one-bites-gif-15132770

[cinder summit]

A 8 year client looking for an answer of what happend its a must for professionalism.

been here in this discord also since 2019

[sage sluice]

And i wouldnt be surprised if most of the more active people here were as well, thats kind of just how it tends to go from what ive noticed 😭

[velvet summit]

Another day of tesla drivers proving that they're terrible drivers

Just watched one cut somebody off enough that they had to hard brake

[craggy shoal]

Bruh why do they suck at driving

They have a whole brain in that car to help them drive lmao (auto pilot)

[idle nexus]

lol damn I wish the comparison was against 7900XTX instead of GRE. I'd say I also wish it was 7800XT instead of 6800XT but those are like the same so nvm on that one

[idle nexus]

I heard Zotac was going to give some of the active users in their discord a chance to buy their 50 series cards but dunno if that's still going on. I also dunno if you just jumped in recently if you'd qualify; how many cards they were making available; or really, any other useful details so lol

[cinder summit]

Zotac card are pretty bad

I see bunch of reviews

For 5090

I might hold on for a bit until they fix the connector issue

[dense locust]

They won’t fix the connector issue

Just do it yourself

[normal violet]

They are still doing it, they had a 5090 one on Friday. It's not their msrp cards which is lame, but your chances of getting picked there feel astronomically higher than winning the shuffle so there's that at least

[open knoll]

so let me get this straight dlss is bad?

[craggy shoal]

bruh

Is the world yes or is the world no?

[dense locust]

The world is no

[craggy shoal]

More like it's more towards no

"Is DLSS bad?" is such a basic question

[open knoll]

nerd ahh

[craggy shoal]

I'm not the one asking broad questions my guy 💀

Go Google it lol

Here bro I'll get you halfway there
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=is+dlss+good+or+bad

[devout forum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAdLOf5of8Y
It's happening

[open knoll]

just asking cuz i got a 5090

[craggy shoal]

💀

[devout forum]

Yeah no

[craggy shoal]

okay bro

[devout forum]

Post image of that card

[craggy shoal]

If you actually had a 5090, you won't be needing DLSS lmao

[open knoll]

oh im new to this stuff ]

[devout forum]

Post it lol

[open knoll]

no perms

[devout forum]

you just need to talk a little more and you'll be able to

[craggy shoal]

bro about to be like "yeah it right here"

[devout forum]

Deadass

[open knoll]

not really hard when u bot

[sage sluice]

Stealing this website for questions like that now

[dense locust]

Is dlss bad? No
Is dlss mid? Yes

[sage sluice]

Is dlss bad? No
Is dlss worth it considering what youve got to fork out and the alternatives? Not really

[craggy shoal]

"Is DLSS bad?" Guys it just depends on whether you need it lol

[sage sluice]

Lol for sure

[dense locust]

Is dlss? Yes

[craggy shoal]

Not getting at least 60fps in native? Then no, it's not bad. Simple answer for a simple question

[sage sluice]

Playing minecraft? No, you dont need dlss

[craggy shoal]

DLSS isn't even in Minecraft lol

[fresh timber]

Are you poor? No you don’t need dlss

[fresh timber]

Lossless scaling

[sage sluice]

Thats the joke

[craggy shoal]

lolll

It's crazy that MC is already unoptimized and it still runs better than most games today. I can get it to run better with shaders than most other games run at stock settings, let alone RT shaders

[sage sluice]

If anything dlss makes game companies lazy therefore games bad

[dense locust]

But my gpu is maxed out at 80fps

[sage sluice]

Tbf its literally a bunch of cubes, but yeah for sure

[craggy shoal]

Sure but shaders hit the GPU quite hard

[sage sluice]

Its also gotten way more intensive with expectations of resolution, updates and graphics updates

[fresh timber]

Motor

[fresh timber]

Bro

I don’t understand

I loaded stock mc yesterday, easy 400 fps

[sage sluice]

Runnin shaders on my 15yo machine fr fr (i wish)

[dense locust]

I get like 100fps with shaders on my Samsung laptop

[sage sluice]

Although high end equipment from 15 years ago probably could ngl

[dense locust]

Albeit they are not high end

[fresh timber]

I hit 100c and now I have issues booting

[sage sluice]

My beautiful uhd620 laptop could reach like 50 fps on modded minecraft at 720p

[dense locust]

My Samsung laptop relies solely on ram for the gpu

[dense locust]

I think you need better cooling

[sage sluice]

My gre tho can do real time path tracing in minecraft ✨

Without being unplayable

[dense locust]

Bedrock?

[sage sluice]

Havent tried bedrock raytracing

Ive heard its way worse

[fresh timber]

It ducks

[dense locust]

Dunno if bedrock supports amd for raytracing

[fresh timber]

It does

[dense locust]

Hmm

[sage sluice]

Amd has ray cores

But i doubt its optimized

🥹

[fresh timber]

Amd has trayray

[dense locust]

20w at 0% utilization lets go

[sage sluice]

Idk how many watts my pc pulls at 0

Probs too many

[fresh timber]

I let my motherboard overclock my 5500 and it idled at 20w and crashes and overheats

Lollll

Ima undo that

[dense locust]

[remote geode]

mine does 150w total during idle

but do note it includes my monitors, PC RGB, peripherals, etc.

[gleaming sedge]

How well can the ryzen 5 5600x run games?

Would it run better than ryzen 7 2700x?

[fresh timber]

It better

[dense locust]

That’s the cpu I got to replace my 2700x lol I broke it accidentally

It arrives in a few days

[gleaming sedge]

Not supposed to break them silly

[fresh timber]

You know how happy I’d be with a 2700x for my 3rd pc

[frigid stag]

Way better

2700 is garbage

[dense locust]

I got my 2700x in 2019

[dusk knot]

https://youtu.be/h0xAqkzQ53k?si=HQyFqNwOGmawZGg0

[worn wave]

Well from what I remember it's real raytracing, so you get all the features like light changing color as it reflects or passes through materials. But it's very intensive as a result.
PC raytracing/path tracing shaders (at least in the past, haven't checked in a while) take more shortcuts and aren't as fully featured

[worn wave]

Depends on your gpu

[frigid stag]

You’d need to have a 13 year old gpu to not see a difference

[dense locust]

Damn, I only have a 5080

[worn wave]

With a 5080 you will absolutely see a difference. I'd honestly reccomend a 5700x3d over a 5600x though

[fresh timber]

Share

[worn wave]

Oh wait you're a different person whoops

[dense locust]

I got a 5600x as a temp replacement

[fresh timber]

Can I have it when your done

[dense locust]

I mean I hope it’s my cpu
Only half my ram shows up

[dense locust]

You want a broken cpu?

[fresh timber]

What’s broke with it

[tranquil pebble]

Latest OnePlus update fixed Discord lag and also made my phone faster than it ever has been.

[dense locust]

Only half the ram shows up

[gleaming sedge]

Shed get my 1060 6gb that I have and I'd put the 3060 laying on my desk in mine

[fresh timber]

Conviently i have a motherboard where only half the ram shows up

[dense locust]

It’s slot 3 and 4

[fresh timber]

yessssss

[dense locust]

So no dual channel

[fresh timber]

Only slot 2 works for me

Slot one broke

So when can I drop by

[dense locust]

[fresh timber]

I need to pickup a 16gb ram stick and storage for my nas

It’s getting a new motherboard that.. works soon ish

[frigid stag]

Alright then

[fresh timber]

I’d kill for a 3060

[gleaming sedge]

Got it for free

Friends fans died so he asked if I wanted it and I said yes

[opaque sedge]

Playing metaphor on steam deck and at a locked 30 fps the game runs pretty darn well

Altho it suffers from the shimmer lines from anti aliasing much like pc

Seems like game optimization is more than just performance but also making sure graphics are working correctly

[gleaming sedge]

I found a ryzen 9 3900x with motherboard and ram, I could sell the motherboard and ram and probably get a fairly cheap ryzen 9 3900x huh?

[lone mango]

Unfortunately I have to return this

Unfortunate because it goes so hard

The bottom is warped or something. Really easy to rock left and right, probably because its too small for me

[fresh timber]

Fix it

[lone mango]

Really easy to rock to the right when i click my side buttons

Depends on how i grip it at the time. Its just unstable

[mortal grail]

Why would they say this when the GRE was 550

[rancid juniper]

price floor unlocked

[mortal grail]

WHY WOULD THEY SAY THIS AND THE GRE IS 550

YO

550 msrp???

[rancid juniper]

oh well

🗿

[devout forum]

Prices likely gonna say otherwise

Like

Expent the 800 dollar XT

Almost guaranteed at this point

Cuz it's supposedly faster than the 5070 Ti

So it also deserves to cost more

[gleaming sedge]

Would a ryzen 5 4500 be a upgrade from the 2700?

[rancid juniper]

somewhat?

but not enough imo

[opaque sedge]

Guys i rolled back my nvidia drivers and i’m seeing 10-20 more frames in cyberpunk 💀

[rancid juniper]

5500/5600 and higher seems good enough

[mortal grail]

Gonna be weird that they do that if it's 800. Why wouldn't they compare to the 7900XT at that price point?

Comparing to a GRE sounds like an original price point

[opaque sedge]

those 572.xx drivers are most certainly bricked

[devout forum]

Isn't the GRE pretty much priced like a 7900XT anyway?

Like street price

[mortal grail]

No

[devout forum]

If it's available to begin with

[mortal grail]

550 launch

[gleaming sedge]

Ok thank you, figured I'd ask since just found one listed for 50 a few minutes away

[rancid juniper]

oh

OH

[devout forum]

Cuz like the cheapest GRE for us here is 90% of the price of the XT

[still sun]

I didn’t see anything in the article on prices

[devout forum]

There's nothing confirmed

[rancid juniper]

ok for the price i dont mind

[mortal grail]

GRE msrp is 550

[devout forum]

Which leads me to believe that AMD is actually intending to jack the price

[fresh timber]

5500 very good

[devout forum]

If they were gonna do a low price

It'd be all over their announcements

[mortal grail]

800 is closer to 7900XT msrp tho

[devout forum]

We'd KNOW if it was priced amazing

[rancid juniper]

yea, night just found a R5 4500 for $50 tho

[mortal grail]

Really odd

[devout forum]

So it's likely exceedingly mid with price

[fresh timber]

Ali express 5600 for around $60 better

[rancid juniper]

😳

[fresh timber]

Ask Becca

Baca

[rancid juniper]

lol becca

[opaque sedge]

Becca…

Beckon…

[fresh timber]

Becca

[opaque sedge]

BECKON MY MEAT

[rancid juniper]

only buy if you hate long shipping

[opaque sedge]

(I would have gone with bacon but I haven’t had bacon in half a decade)

💀

[fresh timber]

Theirs a reason I use Amazon, fast shipping

[rancid juniper]

ebay can do that too, depends on the listing

[gleaming sedge]

Ryzen 5 7500f for 140

[rancid juniper]

bro, you're on AM4

[fresh timber]

Upgrade to am5 ez

[rancid juniper]

🗿

[gleaming sedge]

If I wanted to upgrade my old pc for her yes, but if found parts cheap enough I'd happily go am5 like I wanted to

[rancid juniper]

alr

[fresh timber]

Buy her chicken nuggets

[rancid juniper]

why was it 178 in the first place lol?

[fresh timber]

Msrp?

[rancid juniper]

nah

[mortal grail]

Save $100 dude

[fresh timber]

Make us think it was a better deal

[rancid juniper]

gamers when they see a 1% off deal

[fresh timber]

I hate when I press the off button and the pc decides to just log out

[opaque sedge]

Bruh i tried playing some stuff on my desktop rn and i was legit disgusted by my ips monitor 💀

The steam deck oled has alr warped my impression of displays

[rancid juniper]

aged like fine wine

[icy ore]

I need to adjust my monitor tbh I literally just took it out of the box and haven’t messed with it lol

[rancid juniper]

lol same

color calibration? nah

only enables variable refresh rate

Freesync

[opaque sedge]

I just installed the firmware to adjust brightness and it didn’t do any other crap

[icy ore]

Hmmmm

[dusk knot]

You drew that parrot?

[opaque sedge]

Yeah why

[rancid juniper]

ok maybe alittle bit of that calibration

[dusk knot]

It looks good

[opaque sedge]

Hmm you dont know me irl do you…

[rancid juniper]

👀

[opaque sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[dusk knot]

Wh

Not at all

[rancid juniper]

bro hesitated for a bit

kinda sus

[opaque sedge]

Indeed

Sus it was

Jp

https://tenor.com/view/waltwhite-breakingbad-say-my-name-gif-7259290

[dusk knot]

I need to keep tabs on all of you. It's for your own safety

[dense locust]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/si9SZ506vs

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-wow-wow-starts-clapping-gif-23651813

[dusk knot]

My god ......that's just unfair.

You have to pray before buying a gpu now

(jk)

[rancid juniper]

😂

[wise wigeon]

Figured they’d eventually found one, it was weird that it was only the other models

[opaque sedge]

Switch to amd

Be the difference

[dusk knot]

A golden sample 5080 is one with all its ROPs in place.

[opaque sedge]

Nah not kidding tho but amd has a red carpet lined up rn

If they f this up then

[dusk knot]

Waiting for those RT benchmarks

[wise wigeon]

It’s there but it’s first party so grain of salt

[opaque sedge]

[rancid juniper]

AMD trip and falls on the red carpet face first

this is the way i see it

[dusk knot]

https://youtu.be/h0xAqkzQ53k?si=HQyFqNwOGmawZGg0

[wise wigeon]

If they’re comparing it to a gre it better be gre price

[dusk knot]

So far.....the Rt performance is AMDs main focus

[wise wigeon]

If it’s over $650 it’s cooked

And that’s msrp

[rancid juniper]

overcooked

[opaque sedge]

Saw the launch price of the 7900xt

[dusk knot]

NgreedAi needs to be taught a lesson

[opaque sedge]

Wtf were they thinking

[wise wigeon]

Exactly

[opaque sedge]

4070ti performance card for 9hundies

[rancid juniper]

🤢

[opaque sedge]

And the 4070ti was 800 then right?

[wise wigeon]

Like pay $100 extra get 20% and more vram

So AMD really has to not trip on their own feet

[dusk knot]

Imagine if the 9700xt is 549...oh boy

[devout forum]

I mean AMD is bound to not miss the opportunity to miss that opportunity

[rancid juniper]

thats the dream we hope for

[dusk knot]

Sad

[rancid juniper]

but likely will not happen

[wise wigeon]

I mean the comparison makes us think that but it won’t be $550

[devout forum]

It's already confirmed it's more than 600 for the XT

Maybe the non-XT

[wise wigeon]

Feeling kinda ded already

[dusk knot]

Hm

[devout forum]

But even that is more likely to be around 650

[dusk knot]

Still affordable

[devout forum]

750 for the XT

[opaque sedge]

Yeah they tripped before they even stepped foot on the ground

[devout forum]

And that's the good ending

[wise wigeon]

If it’s $650

[dusk knot]

$599

[wise wigeon]

Aibs are gonna be 750 to 850

At that point

The ti is there

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-falling-pain-comedy-peter-griffin-gif-4624632

[wise wigeon]

And so is the xtx

[devout forum]

Yeah honestly

[wise wigeon]

$150 dollars for 8gb vram

[devout forum]

The hype is kinda pointless

[opaque sedge]

And intel seems to be catching up to amd with mobile chips too 💀

[devout forum]

AMD doesn't miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity

[wise wigeon]

If it’s $700 it’s just doa overall

[icy ore]

[rancid juniper]

their cpu lineup remains fine ig

[devout forum]

Might end up going down to reasonable prices in 6 months, but by that point the whole gen is screwed

[wise wigeon]

You gotta remember no reference cards this time

[rancid juniper]

intel gotta amp up their gpus

[wise wigeon]

So even if AMD has a stipulation that you have a msrp card like Nvidia

[dusk knot]

I'm still going NgreedAi 😔 @rancid juniper

[wise wigeon]

Aib can still just produce more not msrp cards

And have msrp at unobtainium

[opaque sedge]

Intels mobile ultra chips seem to have some damn good performance ngl benchmarks have been coming out for one used in a high end msi handheld and its prolly the best performing one available rn, apparently the handheld came out months ago but no one was able to get their hands on it due to stock issues 💀

[wise wigeon]

Because now AMD has no ref model

If a 70xt nitro plus is 850-950

Why wouldn’t I just go for the xtx?

[opaque sedge]

And even if they do make cards close to msrp they purposefully make it look like crap

[wise wigeon]

When the xtx nitro is 1030

[rancid juniper]

noooooo

[opaque sedge]

Look at the goddamn asrock challenger from 7000series

Challenger?

[gleaming sedge]

They was 350 for this just asked about ram size

[opaque sedge]

More like aesthetically challenged

[rancid juniper]

hope they keep at it

[wise wigeon]

But yeah like we’ll see on Friday

The copium price

Because let’s be real aibs

I can’t imagine aibs are happy with AMD

Delaying them two months

[opaque sedge]

And a sudden price change too

[wise wigeon]

And making them drop prices

Nvidia rolled out the red carpet but

[opaque sedge]

I wonder how the corpos are handling the logistics of these new price changes tho

[wise wigeon]

AMD has a long history of tripping on air

[opaque sedge]

Its gotta be a pain recalculating all the projections and stuff the cost and the like

[gleaming sedge]

@rancid juniper thoughts? Also the ram kit is 2x16

[wise wigeon]

I mean aibs are used to the pricing game with Nvidia

[rancid juniper]

can you offer a bit lower? maybe 300?

seems okayish

[gleaming sedge]

Could try

[rancid juniper]

ok

[wise wigeon]

What aib left the AMD line recently?

[nocturne flicker]

It looks like 10 series MSI crap

[wise wigeon]

Was it Asus

[nocturne flicker]

Wannabe Armor OC

[wise wigeon]

So it’s just powercolor, xfx, sapphire, and gigabyte?

No it wasn’t Asus

They have tug models

Tuf*

[opaque sedge]

Msi?

[wise wigeon]

It was Msi yeah

[unreal trail]

bruh

[opaque sedge]

Good riddance

[wise wigeon]

Damn so we still stuck with the perscalpers themselves Asus

[opaque sedge]

Altho the msi brand name by itself is rather popular

[wise wigeon]

Asus and gigabyte pump those aib prices up

They were the first with $900 70 tis

[velvet summit]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2104890/RoadCraft/

Steam

RoadCraft

As the leader of a company specialized in restoring sites devastated by natural disasters, use your construction machinery to restart the local industry. Clear debris and faulty equipment, rebuild roads and bridges damaged by weather, and much more! You run a disaster recovery company, specialized in restoring sites devastated by natural disaste...

Price

$39.99

Release Date

May 20, 2025

▶ Play video

https://tenor.com/view/noway-gif-254273188714127328

[wise wigeon]

Man if aib cards get to $900 idk if they’re gonna sell

999 70 tis are still sitting in shelves

And people are definitely willing to pay a 100 dollar premium for Nvidia usually

I guess the bad market will help them

At least online

[dusk knot]

There was this one night when I dreamed about Jensen telling me not to buy AMD. I was spooked

[rancid juniper]

lol wtf?

💀

nvidia brainrots the consumer

its not too late

though you can definitely keep the 3080 for a bit longer

[nocturne flicker]

It was always too late

AMD is AMD and Nvidia is basically a monopoly

And Intel is off doing Intel things

[wise wigeon]

Hahaha

[nocturne flicker]

Like not releasing B700

[dusk knot]

I feel like people keep forgetting that the 3080ti exists lol

[wise wigeon]

I mean it’s a 10% diff

[misty sparrow]

3080ti is like that distant cousin people only mention once in a while

[wise wigeon]

It’s a 3090 with less vram

[rancid juniper]

oh

lol whoops

[dusk knot]

Tsk....nitro

[dusk knot]

I think it's more than that...

10-15

Ok you're somewhat right

[misty sparrow]

basically like comparing height with your cousin

[deep parcel]

ive been eying this game for awhile... I hope its really good... I am considering preordering it maybe my next paycheck lol

[wise wigeon]

Yeah no the diff between a 3080 and a 3090 was abysmal

[gleaming sedge]

I asked, it's a 2.5 hour drive

[dusk knot]

I can only dream of the 5080 TI being the same as the 3080TI compared to the 3090

[wise wigeon]

Welp we shall see how the AMD games go

[wise wigeon]

Isn’t the rt only going from 3090 levels to lil under ti super level?

Compared to the xtx I mean

[velvet summit]

the demo is looking pretty decent (was watching "real civil engineer" play the demo)

https://youtu.be/edpREpPGab0

[deep parcel]

oh nice I didnt know there was a demo for content creators

[velvet summit]

demo is releasing for the public tomorrow looking on steam

[deep parcel]

oh neat

[wise wigeon]

Ever wonder why while we generally use games to escape from reality we also really like to play games of doing mundane jobs?

[velvet summit]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2104890/view/753892887234609827?l=english

no way

[deep parcel]

wow

demo with multiplayer is crazy

[deep parcel]

gotta say my main thing that I dont like about it is the lack of the gear shifting mechanic like in snowrunner/mudrunner/spintires

[velvet summit]

😔

maybe in the full? idk

[deep parcel]

maybe but having the buttons like that on the bottom right is a bit disappointing...

[dusk knot]

The 5080 was supposed to be the chosen one

[elfin mural]

9070xt should be priced at $700 and i'll be happy

leaks suggesting xtx perf

[dusk knot]

$600

🙏

[elfin mural]

600 would be too unrealistic sadly

i suspect amd will ask 800+

[rancid juniper]

foxo

jakey

[deep parcel]

also another thing I just realized about this game is there is no fuel...

hello there

[rancid juniper]

ello

[velvet summit]

😔

[opaque sedge]

Huh ig diesel got a bit too efficient

[rancid juniper]

man i wish RPCS3 can run all games at 60

[opaque sedge]

Whats an rpcs3?

[rancid juniper]

running motorstorm apocalypse on 13600k @ 4k it struggles to hit 60fps

[rancid juniper]

PS3 emulator

[opaque sedge]

Ohhh

Is it capped to 30?

[rancid juniper]

na, i used a patch to uncap it

[opaque sedge]

Ngl

Wish these companies would sell their old roms for unsupported consoles

Emulation seems like an untapped market

But altho fully commercializing it could ruin it i suppose

[velvet summit]

would it?

[misty sparrow]

companies sometimes sell their old games as remasters

[opaque sedge]

What hasn’t been ruined by a wide scale commercialization

[velvet summit]

hamburger

[opaque sedge]

Ig food technically since it encouraged more production of it

[velvet summit]

tbh

french fries

lmao

[opaque sedge]

Yeah but its so slow

So why not take a stance where u provide the files

But someone else takes care of the running part of the games

[tranquil pebble]

CPUs... otherwise we would have none lol

[opaque sedge]

Saves money and labor

And time

[nocturne flicker]

Well

Uh

[opaque sedge]

Kill me

[nocturne flicker]

[Insert HFCS here]

Need more corn to eat with my corn infused bread to drink with my corn sweetened sugary beverage

[opaque sedge]

America loves corn

But yeah exactly what i mean by commercialization ruining things

[tranquil pebble]

Corny country fr

[misty sparrow]

everything is corn

[opaque sedge]

Companies get so obsessed with cutting costs and cheapening acquisitions of resources and materials that it ruins it

[nocturne flicker]

I drive to a store using corn infused gas so I can buy corn infused food to eat with my corn that is topped with a corn infused butter like spread

[opaque sedge]

And even if the only role of my suggested idea is of selling old roms no doubt they will take it too far for the sake of more profits

[nocturne flicker]

And the meat I eat comes from corn fed animals

[opaque sedge]

Sounds like america runs on corn 💀

[nocturne flicker]

Yes

We produce too much of it

[tranquil pebble]

Corn and caffeine

[opaque sedge]

No wonder mexico doesn’t want any of it

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Ethanol infused gas literally serves as a corn subsidy

[velvet summit]

i love corn

[opaque sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-brainwormism-gif-3108294868786947348

[velvet summit]

corn addiction

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And we have to pay farmers to grow corn because the market price for corn is so low that they'd never willingly grow it themselves without getting money for it

[worthy meteor]

We love subsidizing corn

[opaque sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cornman-corn-man-corn-time-time-gif-20345758

[velvet summit]

why does this thing have a mustache

https://tenor.com/view/corn-slimecicle-come-down-today-gif-18487901

[mortal grail]

Everything evolves into corn

[velvet summit]

hard corn

put in microwave

soft corn

[tranquil pebble]

deep fried corn

[mortal grail]

OnlyCorn

https://tenor.com/view/misscanon-misscornon-shifty-shifty-eyes-frightened-gif-26273986

[nocturne flicker]

Deep fry corn in a corn based batter in corn oil

[opaque sedge]

Reminds me of a rick and morty episode where they landed on a planet made of corn

Everything was corn

[mortal grail]

Inb4 earth

[nocturne flicker]

We also produce a lot of soy beans but that isn't as news worthy. Especially since that is a market US farmers are getting boxed out of internationally

[mortal grail]

You could say canned up in

Like soy beans

🫘

[velvet summit]

beans what the

[fresh timber]

Orrrr

Nothing cause I’ll do a case swap to an a3 one of these days

[nocturne flicker]

Buy Only Fans

[velvet summit]

super
massive
blackhole

[fresh timber]

Ugh I forgot the a3 is a 360mm case

I’ll need new AIO too

Darn

[velvet summit]

or

just use a tower cooler

more reliable

[fresh timber]

Disgusting

[nocturne flicker]

Nothing wrong with a tower. Unless it is the NH D15 G2

[fresh timber]

Tower isn’t sexy, AIO is

[nocturne flicker]

AIOs can be very ugly.

The LFII was goat, but I think we can all agree that the pump was not pleasant looking