general-chat

[sweet phoenix]

Sorry mb

[wise wigeon]

still like idk

do i pay the extra like 30-40 buck to not have to worry about it

[hoary zodiac]

NH-D15 supremacy

It's a chunky boi but it's pretty quiet

[wise wigeon]

thats the majot advantage of aios to me

dual towers are more annoying to work around

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah the NH-D15 is really fat tbh

[woven turret]

I wonder what happens when I load Fallout 4 with 300 nsfw mods

[hoary zodiac]

Good luck removing your ram

[wise wigeon]

most dual towers

[woven turret]

probably same fate as chernobyl

[hoary zodiac]

I'd say the D15 especially

[woven turret]

atleast the water is not leaking

[mortal grail]

First time I've seen the cultists list take a stance on a PSU that disagrees with Aris

I see they also still haven't updated to put GF A3 on the avoid tier

That PSU is now completely dodgy after oem change. Would qualify for E tier

[wise wigeon]

its speculative because there is no reviews for it

[mortal grail]

No, aris reviewed it

It's better than rmx shift

[wise wigeon]

mustve been after the last update

because the tier list hasnt been updated in a year

[mortal grail]

december 2023 iirc

I feel like it's been longer but doesn't bother me

I don't use the list anymore

Aris is very useful

[wise wigeon]

i can see lower wattage reviews for the core reactor 2

well the VE version

[mortal grail]

https://hwbusters.com/psus/xpg-core-reactor-ii-850w-psu-review/

750 and 850 are both cwt afaik

With better transient response than a shift he ranked them together:

Aris >>>> cultists any day imo, especially since he's the cybernetics guy

[wise wigeon]

i mean they mostly pull from him right?

[mortal grail]

Yes

He's also the reason cybernetics exists

So in future we will have widespread cybernetics safety labels instead of people reading "80+ gold" as safe

[wise wigeon]

wish there was a head to head with the newer corsair psus

[mortal grail]

As long as corsair is still same supplier they will be solid

The 2025 ones come with big QoL

So even if they are a little worse inside, the package will likely be highly recommendable

It's the update corsair really needed to stay in front

[wise wigeon]

i just wish there was a 1000w review

[mortal grail]

They also added the frame 4000d

Which is a major improvement after the tire fire that was the _500x series

[mortal grail]

Core reactor ii? I believe it's still same oem

[velvet summit]

he handed me a vegemite sandwich

[mortal grail]

You can check that, if it is cwt, it's going to still be good

Yeah here you go @wise wigeon
https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/2244/cn/

It's cwt

It's as good as the 850

Signed off by aris himself

Lol

[wise wigeon]

so you think i should hold off my build to get that instead

[mortal grail]

What's the specs?

[wise wigeon]

well the gpu is speculative

I was just assuming the worst with a 7900xtx because it sucks so much juice

[mortal grail]

XTX with which cpu

[wise wigeon]

its otherwise 9800x3d

[mortal grail]

850W is fine

750W I'd consider close

But 850W covers theoretical maxes of 550+240

[wise wigeon]

and idk if i'll even go for a 7900xtx

not unless it comes back in stock for a decent price

[mortal grail]

So I'm assuming worse case btw

Both cpu and gpu loaded

And xtx is tier 1 vbios

[wise wigeon]

it was just the most power hungry card that wasn a 90 series

[mortal grail]

Most aren't that high

[hushed harbor]

Hi, does anybody know why cannot i apply high performance power plan for my laptop?

And when i do manually, suddenly cpu temp jumps to 80-90 celsius in desktop

[wise wigeon]

wdym

[mortal grail]

My personal experience is honestly really positive since about February 2023. Before that I wouldn't have been as eager to recommend one

If that's any confidence booster

[hushed harbor]

i mean this

apply button is locked

[wise wigeon]

yeah if they come back in stock around 800 i'll skip the 5080 rat race

[mortal grail]

That's the options lad. You pick it on the previous menu

[wise wigeon]

i mean did you even make any changes

[mortal grail]

Apply will light up if you make changes yeah

[wise wigeon]

so swapp plans its just the previous menu

[hushed harbor]

ahh

razer cortex

power plan

[mortal grail]

I think that's wise, hell a 4080/S for a little more also sounds good to me

[hushed harbor]

applies when i enter the game

[wise wigeon]

if you wanted to like disable turbo and apply thatd be different

[hushed harbor]

is cortex plan any good anyway?

[mortal grail]

There's your problem

[mortal grail]

It's fine but don't use it if you don't have ram issues

[wise wigeon]

like if i can get a 5080 sure but 7900xtx is probably fine and we'll see about 9070xt

[hushed harbor]

alr thanks

i mean i got 16gigs

[mortal grail]

The ram cleaner can be clutch for that tbh lol

But not mandatory

You should keep it closed more often than open

Cos it is bloaty

[hushed harbor]

gotchu

alr ill keep an eye on it

thanks

<33

[wise wigeon]

like as much crap we talk about the 5080 rn if you get it at msrp its still the fastest at that range, not usually an OC person but 10-12 more percent while still being 325w is kinda nuts

[mortal grail]

Yea it is

[wise wigeon]

still shoulda been a better card

[mortal grail]

I absolutely agree there tbh

[wise wigeon]

but an OC putting it in 4090 range is kinda nuts

[mortal grail]

First time we've seen it lose to the previous flagship

Lol

[wise wigeon]

especially at that wattage

frfr

okay so you think im just good with the 850

i was mostly considering the 1000w because i prefer to assume the worst

so i get pleasantly surprised by the normal result

[mortal grail]

Here's 3 reasons I'm super confident in this

[wise wigeon]

like there were some things i read but they didnt exactly say what their psu was and usually people who have had issues are more likely to post it

[mortal grail]

1. I've run an XTX + 13900KF off at a full OC for benchmarking on a CWT 1000W, so a lot more power, didn't have issues for the course of a year.
2. The transient maxes on both parts peaks at 790W both loaded and pbo enabled, highest power vbios
3. The Cybernetics 3.1 spec also accounts for "Power excursion" so while also getting a platinum rating (One of the best tiers), it will be rated to handle random transient spikes well north of 850W, should something happen.

If you gear this properly I'd be confident suggesting a 750W tbh

1000W is very overkill to me

But some 1000W are decent, and if it's worth the few extra, PSU being overspent on is one of the few things I lowkey approve

[wise wigeon]

i'm more likely to power limit before i ever OC

[mortal grail]

That's the genuine way to undervolt an XTX too so that'll help you keep power down if that's your goal

[wise wigeon]

I just prefer a quieter pc over like 1-3%

[mortal grail]

CWT units are generally really quiet

It's like the seasonic focus gx type psus

They're very very fan conservative

And it's not because they let it run hotter it's just good quality

I mean I daily a 4090 and a 9800X3D on a 1000W version rn

I see transients much higher

Never had a problem

[wise wigeon]

so 3.1 spec assumes random spikes already vs like pre cybernetics models

[mortal grail]

Ye

"power excursion" I believe is the official phrase

[wise wigeon]

so i'm solid

[mortal grail]

I would say so yeah

Hell wait for the 2025 corsair models, an RM850X for like $130 would also be compelling given native sleeved cables

[wise wigeon]

yeah i was kinda just assuming worst case because i dont got 90 series money but the XTX is within range

[mortal grail]

Ye that's fine

[wise wigeon]

when though

[mortal grail]

I agree with that line of Thinking

[wise wigeon]

2024 model was like september last year

[mortal grail]

They're already released, so reviews just need to be found

I've already seen 2025 RMe

I haven't dug for reviews yet cos I haven't caught anyone in that price range

[woven turret]

is automatic fan calibration in BIOS good?

[mortal grail]

Sure

All you should make sure to check, is if you have an aio, make sure the pump is running

[woven turret]

its still loud af

[wise wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-dampsausage772-emporershmingleblorp-idgafwar-falling-gif-700044825151028376

[woven turret]

how

[mortal grail]

There's always a custom fan curve

[woven turret]

pump has around 2800rpm as of bios reading

[mortal grail]

You're good then

You can adjust the other fans manually if you want less noise

The pump as well

I wouldn't drop below 2K rpm for the LF3

The fans you can adjust as you like as long as they're spinning when the cpu is hot lol

[wise wigeon]

are they sleeved?

[mortal grail]

Ye

[wise wigeon]

kitguru just pumped a review out a few days back

[mortal grail]

https://youtu.be/cy_EdDkzKbE

Skip to 5:30

[woven turret]

I gave it a more chill curve

[mortal grail]

They have 12vhpwr markings, and sleeved native cables

[mortal grail]

That's fine lad, in fact make it how you like really

It's your pc

[wise wigeon]

i think the 2024 models is emobssed too

[mortal grail]

But just obey the two things I said so it works as intended

[woven turret]

I just dont want it to overheat

[mortal grail]

Ye ik

You'll be fine lol

[mortal grail]

You could be right, it's the first time I've seen it tho

[wise wigeon]

yeah aris' review says they are

he really needs a better quality camera

[mortal grail]

I just caught aris reviewing the 2025 rme

[woven turret]

gonna try some cs2

[mortal grail]

It's only a little worse than the older shift and surprisingly it's quiet

https://hwbusters.com/psus/corsair-rm1000e-atx-v3-1-psu-review/10/

The 2025 one I've seen a few times at a decent price so I'll probably be recommending it more

[wise wigeon]

when you said sleeving i was thinking about something else

[mortal grail]

Ah

Yeah it's the like rubbery type sleeves

[sinful blade]

@sour falcon https://www.sheetz.com/sheetzrun

[mortal grail]

Lol

[wise wigeon]

like the seasonic ones

[mortal grail]

It's not bad looking tho

Ye

[wise wigeon]

btw

[mortal grail]

If you want like real sleeving, lian li edge

[wise wigeon]

tf happened to seasonic psu stock

[mortal grail]

It comes back here and there rarely on an amazing sale

I see most of it overseas

[wise wigeon]

155 for a 850w gx no thankyou

[mortal grail]

Yeah

155 for basically core reactor ii lmao

Compared to what 95

[wise wigeon]

the edge woulda been nice if i went for the dan a3 but i went atx

[mortal grail]

It's got native sleeved cables too

[wise wigeon]

as nice as it is to have a smaller pc just seems like a pain to clean

[mortal grail]

I'm watching this become mainstream

Like in a couple years everyone will be doing sleeved cables

Which is kinda big

[wise wigeon]

i would hope so

[mortal grail]

But $30 extra for aesthetics, I'd be willing cos it's native

Huge improvement over extensions

[wise wigeon]

doubt it saves that much money to not do it if the manufactering process is more developed

[mortal grail]

Ye

Well they won't compete over it if no competition

The beauty of a free market

[wise wigeon]

i woulda liked the 12+4 cable upgrade

the connector is grey so you can see if its fully in like how msi does the yellow

i do like that the rm just has the 3 pcie without daisy chain

[woven turret]

I love it

[wise wigeon]

daisy chain cables just ugly

[woven turret]

its so fast and smooth and nice

I just need like a 120hz monitor

[wise wigeon]

what res

[sour falcon]

HUH

[wise wigeon]

you can get 1440p ones for like sub 150 now

[mortal grail]

Bacca will know the best ones rn

I haven't looked for almost a week

[wise wigeon]

what res

[mortal grail]

It's a 7800XT

[wise wigeon]

so 1440?

[mortal grail]

@woven turret
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7QsV3C/acer-nitro-xv275u-p3-270-2560-x-1440-170-hz-monitor-umhxxaa302
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w44Zxr/hp-omen-27q-270-2560-x-1440-165-hz-monitor-780h5aa

[wise wigeon]

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-gaming-monitor-g2725d/apd/210-bnrn/monitors-monitor-accessories

i remeber dell having some good 1440p panels in the past

[mortal grail]

I saw that one, reviews say it's worse than the old one

[wise wigeon]

sadge

[mortal grail]

Yeah it looked promising

[wise wigeon]

still 150

if its even like 80-90% there

[mortal grail]

The xv275u being back at 190 is just too good

@sage sluice it's back

[wise wigeon]

150 for a ips 180hz is kinda nice

[woven turret]

never said I wanted 1440

[wise wigeon]

7800xt for 1080p?

[mortal grail]

You probably should with that gpu tho

Gotta be real

[woven turret]

ehh idk

[velvet summit]

silicone wires >>> pvc wires

[wise wigeon]

its faster than my 3080 which still for the most part is okay in 1440p

[woven turret]

I want to play stalker 2 on decent frames and high settings

[mortal grail]

Just stalker?

[wise wigeon]

stalker 2 is an outlier

[mortal grail]

Stalker is a hot mess so I get it yeah lol

[wise wigeon]

it just runs bad in general

[mortal grail]

That game crashes like hourly even on a good pc

[wise wigeon]

like 73 fps on a 5090 is crazy

[mortal grail]

If you're purely just wanting to main stalker for a couple years tho I could understand a 1080p

[wise wigeon]

even at 4k

[mortal grail]

Painful to suggest if there's any other games tho

[woven turret]

im really fine with 1080p

[wise wigeon]

i dont see that big of a difference in stalker 2 if you plan on using fsr

[mortal grail]

Is it, just stalker tho?

[woven turret]

no

[fresh timber]

Iv used 1080p for years, 1440p ain’t as mind blowing as people say

[wise wigeon]

err okay buddy

[mortal grail]

In that case I really encourage 1440p

[sweet phoenix]

1440p isn't a requirement but going from 1080p VA high refresh to an hp x27q was an insane difference to me

[mortal grail]

Stalker 2 runs 60 fps on a 7800XT at epic with upscaling

[sweet phoenix]

7800xt for 1440p is just kinda silly

[mortal grail]

For 1440p?

[sweet phoenix]

1080p*

[mortal grail]

Lmao

[fresh timber]

I use them side by side

[mortal grail]

Haha

[sweet phoenix]

Sorry

[mortal grail]

You're fine

[sweet phoenix]

My brain isn't braining

[mortal grail]

I do that all the time

[mortal grail]

💀

[fresh timber]

I think my monitors will work on any pc

Ngl

[sweet phoenix]

So I've heard of a lot of issues with multiple resolutions/refresh rates with windows, which i find funny after using a 1050p 60hz monitor, 1080p 165hz, and 1440p 75hz all together without issue

Would never suggest it to someone

They were all different panel types too lmao

[mortal grail]

Yes vblank desync

It drags gpus out of idle state

[sage sluice]

Its a cruel world, i already spent the money on a monitor and some other stuff

🥹

[mortal grail]

@woven turret a good digital foundries guide and you'll be just fine on 1440p imo

[sweet phoenix]

Also

Epic settings 99% of the time looks almost identical to high

[fresh timber]

Is it bad I’m using 1080p 165hz and 1440p 240bz toghter

[mortal grail]

Ok yeah

[sweet phoenix]

Set the 1080p to 120hz

[mortal grail]

I definitely believe what I just said

7 fps loss going 1440p

It's a no brainer

[fresh timber]

What is vblank

[mortal grail]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_blanking_interval

[sage sluice]

I use 1080p 180hz and 1440p 180hz, couldnt imagine its much different

You wont be using them for the same reasoning anyway

[mortal grail]

Essentially speaking, the infamous "RDNA 3 idle" issue had a lot to do with this. Many other gpus have the same issue when you run too many screens or hz at once

Syncing vblanks is one way of lowering gpu idle

As long as they run in ratios

So like 2:1, 3:2, 3:1, 1:1 etc

The gpu updates the screens at essentially the same time like that

[woven turret]

whats an app I can use to have temperature overlay and such?

[mortal grail]

Hwinfo64

Presentmon

[fresh timber]

Does your gpu not idle at 50-70 watts too?

[mortal grail]

RTSS

[woven turret]

like in game

[fresh timber]

Interesting

[tranquil pebble]

Random thought: Strix Halo is basically game console PC

[mortal grail]

If I use all my 4K 144 screens it does, if I'm smart about it I can idle at about 30

[fresh timber]

I’m pretty sure the 5080 might idle lower than my card Lmgao

[fresh timber]

Bruh

[mortal grail]

It will

Cos more powerful

[fresh timber]

A 4060 idles lower and is slower 😦

[mortal grail]

My 4090 idles only like 20% lower than my XTX

[velvet summit]

perhaps you should take your prescription into account 💀
well, tbf i wouldnt call it "mindblowing" in the sense that you're going to be like "WTF HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE"
but it's definitely way more smoother
you can see a fair bit more detail instead of a small bunch of pixels

[mortal grail]

It's not a revolutionary difference, 25W is the floor for many

In fact the 5080 now that I recall DOES have an idle issue

[velvet summit]

yall should try idling at 200w frfr

[fresh timber]

It’s more detail, less blur, but nothing WOW THIS IS AMAZING, now looking at a 1440p 8 inch display.. that’s amazing

[mortal grail]

Oh wait I'm thinking 5090

[fresh timber]

Yuh, we don’t talk about xtx peak power

[mortal grail]

5090 is the 50W idle

[mortal grail]

It's lower than my 4090

[fresh timber]

Those transition spikes

Thingys

[mortal grail]

Mhm

Lower

[fresh timber]

Wot

Iv seen xtx go to like 1000w before

[mortal grail]

550W is peak transient

[mortal grail]

On like evc dude lmfao

[fresh timber]

Wot is evc

Iv seen it happen in the AMD discord

People get xtx and it would pull soo much

[sinful blade]

Fortnite for Sheetz

[mortal grail]

Electronic voltage controller, you can mod the cards to pull 1000+ watts and it's benchable

At 700+W an XTX gets 4090 numbers

It's hilariously inefficient but funny fast

[fresh timber]

Oo yeah

Don’t forget aqua bios

Extremeee

[mortal grail]

Meanwhile my 4090 even on a standard tdp will spike over 750W

[fresh timber]

Crazy gpus even ship with that bios 😭😭

[fresh timber]

And we thought that was fine

[mortal grail]

Well it technically is

[fresh timber]

My entire psu is 850w lmfao, I can’t even Handel a 4090

[mortal grail]

The psu mostly ignores those lol

[fresh timber]

Until 5090 dropped

[mortal grail]

Heh true

And I'm not making an argument for the xtx being efficient btw

It's a power hog lmfao

But yeah it's quite conservative on peaks

[fresh timber]

Compared to a 4080.. I’m not sure

[mortal grail]

No contest, 4080 wins

[fresh timber]

I know midrange Nvidia wins

4070 beats my 7700xt and uses less

[mortal grail]

Anyway

[fresh timber]

40 series power usage is quite nice of your thermally my limited

[woven turret]

it runs well

[tranquil pebble]

really hoping the 9070 XT will be good value for AI stuff because that would really hit Nvidia where it hurts

[mortal grail]

There's been like a dozen leaks hinting it's just a cheap XTX essentially

Less vram

But no price yet

[sage sluice]

Sorry for long link but this has to be a scam right?

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Radeon-7800-Gaming-Graphics/dp/B0CGRMJF6C?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.6W2N-6FeA_NYNrU4IrTQaFdB1tXwOCxQXgSgdgevbXsT7JMviXtrIRo_53nbGxxUhWUjbJEVL7ZztcDq7sA8MAWcpEFtkcGF22alMKYDjlLOOtf73XDNufRrzH9XNAH9Gto5GVXvHUGlZhwUs2hx4pN1GTtRymk-8g2zlhD9_7vMWNmuvaLNVPzlVHLcVhXpMFktxvEYCvaengi8zmb_JA.9AoL41891tTTByxfoxFlqc56O11P71bnuK-jQPpwpWE&dib_tag=se&keywords=AMD+Radeon+RX+7900+GRE&qid=1738358262&sr=8-3

[mortal grail]

I wouldn't hope for ai stuff tho

[tranquil pebble]

supposedly better AI performance which if true will be an ouch for Nvidia

[fresh timber]

Yeah

[mortal grail]

Supposedly yes but they might just be using the price to say that

[fresh timber]

Amd need to catch up

[tranquil pebble]

I just want to see Nvidia get knocked down

[mortal grail]

We don't know yet

[fresh timber]

I’m trying to run bigger models and faster but AMD holds you back

Nvidia just got that better support

[mortal grail]

At this rate the 5070 review gonna look hella dumb lmao

AMD fumbling on such an easy target tho

[rancid juniper]

AMD is a master fumbler

They never miss on missing an opportunity

[velvet summit]

amd: "damn we give up, nvidia is too hard of a target"
nvidia: "we got em, time to relax"

💀

[tranquil pebble]

RTX 6070 will be like 96-bit memory or something

[misty sparrow]

It’s like PS/Xbox

[rancid juniper]

When the joke is real

[fresh timber]

Nvidia make the 3060 mistake again

12gb vram for so cheap and Nvidia so good ai

[misty sparrow]

3060 will be the number of cuda cores listed

[rancid juniper]

☠️

[woven turret]

pc runs well very nice

[misty sparrow]

i wouldn’t be surprised if the new GPU is as thin as a wheat thin, gets barely 1% increase in raw performance, but 500% in DLSS

[mortal grail]

@velvet summit

[fresh timber]

I remember the 3060 beating my 7700xt in stable diffusion until AMD dropped rocm.. and the support is still iffy

[rancid juniper]

American anime goes crazy

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/koth-king-of-the-hill-hank-hank-hill-tell-you-what-gif-22194602

[rancid juniper]

Hank pilled

[velvet summit]

do you watch king of the hill in subs or dubs

[fresh timber]

Okay my gpus pissing me off

[rancid juniper]

Uhhhhhh subbed

[fresh timber]

50 years for deepseek to make a flipping response

[velvet summit]

o mah gah

[fresh timber]

Ima ask it

[velvet summit]

this absolutely killed me

"the correct spelling is strawber"

[velvet summit]

HOW

[fresh timber]

My ai is dumb too

[fresh timber]

Somebody buy me two 3060s to run ai on

3060 is fast enough to use all 12

People lie

[mortal grail]

"Yeah, that seems right"

[still sun]

Do you hate dollar to frame performance or something?

[wise wigeon]

Dammit I’m installing an n me for my brother but I can’t find his mobo box

[fresh timber]

I mean I’m not talking about using it to generate any type of frames

[misty sparrow]

There are two sides

• able to list comprehensive descriptions in detail about certain topics, and make essays about said topic

• can’t spell the word “strawberry”

The duality of man machine

[fresh timber]

I’m telling my ai this

[still sun]

Oh, AI work?

[fresh timber]

Yes

Get two 3060s, how you have 24gb of vram

[still sun]

Oof, have fun lol

[fresh timber]

And cheap

[sweet phoenix]

Ai isn't purely vram it needs performance too

[misty sparrow]

I wonder if 3060’s vram being slow will hinder it

[fresh timber]

Cheap

Of course theirs faster

But if your on a budget, people seem to like 3060s

[misty sparrow]

id rather a 3060ti

[fresh timber]

That’s not useful

[mortal grail]

3060 12GB cards are like the nicest entry level workstation cards

I'd just never buy one

[misty sparrow]

oh it doesn’t have more vram than 3060? Thought it worked like 4060/4060ti for a second

[fresh timber]

It has less

[misty sparrow]

I got them mixed up

[mortal grail]

Cos I can get a 6700XT for the same price

Means nothing for ai

[fresh timber]

For ai?!!

[mortal grail]

But engineering it's sad

No not for ai

[fresh timber]

O yeah your good then

[mortal grail]

There was a short time that card made sense during covid

[misty sparrow]

And that was five years ago

[fresh timber]

My friend got a 6700 for $200

[mortal grail]

DAMN

[fresh timber]

New

[wise wigeon]

Nvme screws aren’t universal right?

[fresh timber]

hes been complainig about fps drops tho with it

[mortal grail]

Not always no

[wise wigeon]

Ugh

[mortal grail]

Don't be afraid to try tho

[fresh timber]

his fortnite keeps laggin with is 6700 and its pissing him off

[mortal grail]

Most are

Not all

[wise wigeon]

Can’t find my brothers mobo box for the life of me but I do have other mobo boxes

[fresh timber]

i used to run unscrewed in nvmes for a year

[mortal grail]

M.2 screws are annoying, I'd be willing to try others

[fresh timber]

dont wiggle it and it works

[mortal grail]

Also yeah that's an option if you have a heatsink

Bit cringe to just leave it hanging tho

[fresh timber]

i didnt use a heatsink to weigh it down

[mortal grail]

Does work

[fresh timber]

loll

i forgot why i did that, i think i lost the screws

[mortal grail]

Contrary to my extreme value takes I do value some degree of aesthetic

Lmao

[fresh timber]

be liek me

spend $200 just for ur pc to look nice

my gpu looks very under powered compared to the rest of my system lmfao

[sweet phoenix]

Theyre very often same sized

I bought a universal kit for $5 on amazon

[fresh timber]

nvme addiction

[wise wigeon]

It has a standoff and stuff pre applied

[fresh timber]

mhh

[wise wigeon]

Difference seems to be whether it’s 2.5 or 3 mm

[fresh timber]

used 3090 prices are um.. all over

[worthy meteor]

btw it's not minimum, I've been messing with the 32b model with my 3060ti lol

[fresh timber]

and how long does it take to finish a response, and hows ur system memory doing?

[worthy meteor]

ofc it's taking from system memory to make up for the vram deficit, it's just doing around 3tps

[heavy dew]

That’s what she said

Sorry I had to do it for the one time

[fresh timber]

its like using a gt710 to play cyberpunk at max settings, it runs.. just not good

[heavy dew]

Anyways is $460 for a gigabyte 4060 Ti off of temu a good deal or a bad deal

[fresh timber]

if i can get a 16gb 4060ti for a good price id buy one

[opaque sedge]

For 20 bucks more u could get a 7800xt for that money… and its a 1440p powerhouse

[worthy meteor]

4 tokens per second actually

but yea

[fresh timber]

1440p is fun. it gets even funner when you push 240hz

[fresh timber]

yeah, i woudlnt say its recommended, but it works.. if u set ur expectation low

[opaque sedge]

Looks like 30 bucks more sorry

https://a.co/d/jluj6OZ

[fresh timber]

lol

i love makign 12gb not enough

[worthy meteor]

The answer you get is much better, and the point of the reasoning models were to spend more time for better answers

I'd take it

[fresh timber]

yeah

if u dont mind waiting while 👍

[worthy meteor]

ofc if you go down to like the 1.5b model you get like 30 tokens/s if you want faster responses

[fresh timber]

slap a 3090 in that bad boy, big model go brrr

[opaque sedge]

Man i’m choking up on vram too

[opaque sedge]

16 gigs might really be the minimum for 1440p soon

[fresh timber]

iif u try u can get one for $329

mhh

it will trust

game devs will forget how to optmise

[opaque sedge]

Man i really feel like i didn’t make a good decision with the 4070super

[worthy meteor]

12gb might become mininum soon, don't think we'll get to 16gb for a while

[fresh timber]

wanna trade

ill be very happy iwth a 4070 super

[opaque sedge]

But its the only good value card i could get for team green

[opaque sedge]

For a xtx sure

[fresh timber]

thats a downgrade

[opaque sedge]

[fresh timber]

even a xtx is better

[woven turret]

waazzuuuup

[fresh timber]

and its amd

[opaque sedge]

Really hope amd does right by their 9070 cards

[fresh timber]

if they do good ill get it

[opaque sedge]

And the fact they dont halt production when they come out with a new gen means u can get it discounted for new years later as well

Rdna 2 cards were such great value last year cuz of that

[fresh timber]

i just wanna do ai and play game at 1440p 240hz

7700xt does not do 240hz part

[opaque sedge]

Might need an 80class for that ngl but depends on the game ofc

[fresh timber]

my g ames

doesnt need 80

i want a 80

but dont need

[opaque sedge]

Same

[fresh timber]

also gives me an excused to put my 7700xt in a 2nd build

[wise wigeon]

How do I know if the screw is alright

[frigid stag]

Almost no new triple a game game will do it without frame gen

And esports games will get you 240 fps on a 10 year old gpu

[wise wigeon]

Because yeah I have spares just not the one from the original mobo box

[hoary zodiac]

the absolute state of the gaming industry

I remember running R6 siege at 1440p high on a RX 570 at 120fps

yes.

A RX 570

4GB

Not even the 8GB model

[fresh timber]

somehow not fortnite

[frigid stag]

Nah u can definitely do it on like a gtx 980 in performance mode ofc

[fresh timber]

me and one of the tecchies figireuyd out the reason why forntite feels so bad when i play is because i cant maintaine 240hz and my panel sucks at lower refreshrates

[frigid stag]

It’s probably cause amd frame drops in performance mode

[fresh timber]

i use dx12

sense performance mode on amd is poop

[frigid stag]

Oh

Ye dx12 needs a pretty good gpu

[misty sparrow]

and all of a sudden modding my 3060ti to have more vram looks a lot more enticing

[hoary zodiac]

You know what else...

[frigid stag]

A new 4060 ti costs less than those used ones

[hoary zodiac]

🤨

Did the used market get destroyed or something

[misty sparrow]

no, it's just people buying the cards for AI i think

huge VRAM pools

[hoary zodiac]

Oh

[misty sparrow]

used market is pretty bad though, even before this

[hoary zodiac]

Vram modded card?

[misty sparrow]

no, just the 16GB variant of 4060ti

selling for a lot

[hoary zodiac]

lmao

4060ti has 16gb of vram?

AHAHAHAHAHA

[misty sparrow]

really should've gone to 4070

[hoary zodiac]

🤡

Nvidia moment

[misty sparrow]

and let me guess 5070 doesn't have 16GB

[hoary zodiac]

I love trolling consumers

Voting with your wallet has never been truer

[sweet phoenix]

Nope, 12gb

Because nvidia

[hoary zodiac]

Imagine if 4060ti outlasts 4070 just because of vram

[misty sparrow]

do you see 3060 outlasting 3060ti because of vram

[hoary zodiac]

I wonder if 3060's decent on the used market

Then again the AI people are probably all over it

[rancid juniper]

nvidia releasing $1k+ card with 16gb vram in 2025 when GRE supplies 16gb for around $500-550

[misty sparrow]

i wonder if AMD has a card with even more VRAM but costs less than 5080

[mortal grail]

Hmm yes

[lone mango]

[wise wigeon]

we joke about it but the 9070 series is also gonna be 16gb

[mortal grail]

I can't wait for ryzen 5070

[lone mango]

Yeah but look man the neural textures actually makes it have even more because of the compression so now 16gb is like 32

Wait apple did this last year

[wise wigeon]

considering its set to replace the 7900xt 9070 should at least have 20gb

[lone mango]

[rancid juniper]

its a matter of price here, it would've been better if amd added more for sure

dunno why these companies are so stingy with it

[mortal grail]

I agree halfway here, I'd be willing to let it go if the price is right

If they dare make it too expensive it will just be embarrassing

Lol

[lone mango]

8 gigabytes of gddr6 costs about $18.5

Literally chum change

[mortal grail]

Gdi AMD

[rancid juniper]

[lone mango]

Like if they were using g7 then whatever but they are using g6 still and are still not being more generous with it

9060 will have 8

Dead on arrival

[proud jackal]

Is 5090 out yet

[opaque sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[sinful blade]

GRE supremacy

[rancid juniper]

(gre)at card

literally 7900XT lite

[lone mango]

Not the same thing really but you can also get a used 6800 for even cheaper which is crazy

[rancid juniper]

yep

fast 16gb card for around 300 used perhaps

maybe cheaper

[craggy shoal]

If you have a nice friend like I do, you can get his 6800 XT for $200

[proud jackal]

[opaque sedge]

No more gres left sadly

[lone mango]

Guys hopefully I can sell my 4090 and get a 5090 without having to spend any money

[rancid juniper]

yea... No matter how far you search either you're hit with no items or some expensive ah gre

[opaque sedge]

Yeah gre production was cut after all

[rancid juniper]

😭

[wise wigeon]

Wasn’t great like not gonna go world wide initially

Gre*

[rancid juniper]

yep

[opaque sedge]

Yeah it was china exclusive

[rancid juniper]

it caught me off guard when they Finally said they're going world wide RIGHT AFTER i got my 7800xt

still thinking about it makes me slightly heated to this day

[opaque sedge]

Gre musta been the most popular 7000 series card ngl

[craggy shoal]

GRE was the most popular GRE card fr

[rancid juniper]

lol

[lone mango]

7900 xt for 650

[craggy shoal]

Not bad

[lone mango]

20 gigs of vram for 650

[craggy shoal]

Sorry guys I almost crashed out

[lone mango]

Then the 9060 comes out with 8

Still using g6

[wise wigeon]

7900xt not a big enough uplift over my 3080 to get

Sadge

[opaque sedge]

Gdrr6x is nvidia exclusive right?

Well was

[craggy shoal]

I might actually get a 5080 lol

Unless MFG comes to 40 series

ATP idc

[wise wigeon]

I mean if you can get it msrp

[lone mango]

Last night the micro center website wasnt working and when I was able to load it a banner at the top said all 50 series was sold out

[wise wigeon]

Microcenter doesn’t ship gpus

[craggy shoal]

Yeah fr. I might as well wait for my birthday

[opaque sedge]

Nvidia msrp or aib msrp 💀

[drowsy totem]

I ordered something on Newegg and it has been in packaging since last night. What are the odds of it getting canceled?

[craggy shoal]

Ok

[drowsy totem]

It was suppose to ship today

[opaque sedge]

Even the pny cards are priced at 1.1k i believe

[craggy shoal]

Yeah

[wise wigeon]

Like if I had a 4080 I wouldn’t feel the need to upgrade but the 5080 is still a good 60-70% faster than my 3080

[craggy shoal]

I’m living on the same boat

[opaque sedge]

The jump in perf from the 30 series to 40 series was pretty big right? Cept for the 60 class

[wise wigeon]

Yeah like 40-50%

It’s just prices increased

4090 is like a freaky outlier

[gilded kraken]

yea. 5080 really was the best pick up for the used market for 4080 supers and 4090's

[wise wigeon]

Like a 3090 was maybe 10% faster than a 3080

4090 is like 30% faster

Than a 4080

[lunar nymph]

Anyone have any idea why when I turn on ray tracing my 4070ti super stays under 60% usage but without ray tracing it goes back to 90+% usage

[woven turret]

my phone is at 0% rn

texting from my phone

[craggy shoal]

Ok

[mortal grail]

Jeez should I sell mine chat

[craggy shoal]

Bruh how can y'all afford GPUs?

[misty sparrow]

how can you afford a GF

[opaque sedge]

How can you afford a life

[mortal grail]

@opaque sedge

[gilded kraken]

gubbament money

[lone mango]

Incredible

[opaque sedge]

Slow cookers hmm

With meat

Fantastic

[craggy shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[misty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-james-morgan-mcgill-slippin-jimmy-bob-odenkirk-mugshot-gif-18613260

[opaque sedge]

It was glorious

[lone mango]

[woven turret]

500€ gift card

[craggy shoal]

I’m unloved 😭

[misty sparrow]

if you crop the hair out you have an egg

[woven turret]

so am I

the company takes like 50€ from your money each month and puts it into this basically credit card that you can use in select few places

[opaque sedge]

I remember some kids in high school talking abt how they stopped receiving pricey gifts from their parents when they started working part time 💀

[woven turret]

I forgot about it and accumulated like 500 euros

[nocturne flicker]

Is this before tax money or is it still taxed

[woven turret]

I didn't get anything from anyone on my 21st birthday

[opaque sedge]

Lemme guess

U were working

[woven turret]

before I think

[woven turret]

yea

[opaque sedge]

Ngl there might actually be a trend

Where once a person starts working

They stop receiving gifts

[misty sparrow]

are you in the US?

[woven turret]

the only gift I got was my current car that I bought with my own money

[woven turret]

US? what?

[opaque sedge]

Thats a personal purchase sir 💀

[woven turret]

it was a gift for myself from myself

[misty sparrow]

if you're in the united states i'm surprised nobody bought you alcoholic drinks, that's the legal drinking age

[woven turret]

im in europe

[misty sparrow]

hm

[woven turret]

you start drinking very soon here

but I haven't had a drop of alcohol in a while

[mortal grail]

🔥

Man's on the dry

I love it

[woven turret]

I mostly drink on special occasions and even then I might not drink

[mortal grail]

Stuff's good for a special day yesh

Absolutely agree

[woven turret]

I don't have the urge to drink so I dont

[misty sparrow]

i have never had a drink of alcohol

[opaque sedge]

W tbh

[mortal grail]

It's really acquired taste

[opaque sedge]

People get criticized for not drinking alcohol much apparently

[mortal grail]

Honestly if you've never felt the drive now you probably won't later

Eh let them criticise

You're living healthy

That's a w

[opaque sedge]

But thats much better than getting criticized for being an alcoholic imo

[mortal grail]

💯

[misty sparrow]

I drink soda like an alcoholic drinks alcohol, and nobody bats an eye

Replace the soda with alcohol and people will start noticing something wrong

We live in a society

[hoary zodiac]

Ow

Just got blood tested

[misty sparrow]

did you pass?

[hoary zodiac]

No idea

Results in 5 days

Visa stuff

[misty sparrow]

I hope you get at least a B+

[hoary zodiac]

I'm an Asian not a Bsian

👍

[misty sparrow]

okay

hope you get an A

[hoary zodiac]

whaaaa!!!

Son you didn't get A++!!!!!

No video games for you!!!

[mortal grail]

What did they stick the needle in mid discord message

Wym ow lmao

Lol

[worthy meteor]

the tb test?

[hoary zodiac]

Retroactive ow

[woven turret]

radioactive

[mortal grail]

Stored ouchie

[woven turret]

saved for later

archived injury

[hoary zodiac]

I probably am slightly radioactive tbh

Got xray'd

[woven turret]

Phanteks gang

[hoary zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500102940078505984/1310371880112361542/IMG_20220624_233743.png?ex=679ea069&is=679d4ee9&hm=a0e05f0014510a9f43e57154b147bbe27a685b6c4affc1665c4d8318045c4e5c&

My old pc

[mortal grail]

Dude I'd have taken that enthoo at one point

[tranquil pebble]

I wonder if there is ever a good reason to use a 65535 bit integer in Zig

[velvet summit]

Empty ahh case

[whole rampart]

Enthoo lux 719?

[mortal grail]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2593856/save-200-microsoft-makes-hot-ai-models-available-to-windows-for-free.html

Now for my data to be scraped by openai

And then deepseek

[swift bane]

Hey all random question I have heard people say that the X3D AMd chips are “1 trick ponies” and that they are great for gaming but not for productivity. How much would one of these chips struggle if I wanted to primarily game but was thinking about getting into making videos/streaming

And what would the recommendation be if these aren’t a good choice

[worthy meteor]

It does not struggle in productivity, it just doesn't see much gains compared to non-x3d like it does in gaming.

[tranquil pebble]

3d stacked cores when? /j

[worthy meteor]

too hot :(

[lone mango]

Fr

[tranquil pebble]

yeah ik

it'd commit self fry

[lone mango]

4 ccd am5

[tranquil pebble]

128 CCD LGA-2000000

[swift bane]

Ok cool so an x3d would be a decent choice for doing some productivity

[lone mango]

Yeah it’ll just be worse than the normal cpu but still good enough

[mortal grail]

Worse if at all

The newest ones have no real loss at all

Due to flipped vcache

[frigid stag]

Not really

You’d probably want a higher core count cpu

[mortal grail]

Eh not really

You don't need a higher core count

It's just a weigh in of time vs fps loss

I'd say if the work is light or the commitment isn't full time then you could use an x3d 8 core no problem

[frigid stag]

Or you could get a 9950x3d and get best of both

[tranquil pebble]

9800x3d is what I have. Still need to install it though

[mortal grail]

Ye

The r9's I'd recommend lasso with then but yeah they work for both just fine

[lone mango]

Yeah if getting 9800x3d then nbd

[tranquil pebble]

after getting in a fist fight with scalpers, Yakuza style

[mortal grail]

*Unsheathes Ryzen 4070 *

[lone mango]

[frigid stag]

CPU’s are usually easier to get

For gpu’s mfs go berserk though

[velvet summit]

His name is Dame da ne guy

https://tenor.com/view/dame-da-ne-guy-kazuma-kiryu-yakuza-baka-mitai-dame-da-ne-gif-8753531065704620458

[craggy shoal]

woooo final update can't wait to see how much hasn't changed since my last visit

[lone mango]

Sucks how mid it is

Racing games are in a rough spot rn

[velvet summit]

Steam after I reopen it after 2 seconds:

[craggy shoal]

Final update and not even an announcement regarding the next Forza Horizon, meanwhile FM8 players still don't like their "sim racing" game

[lone mango]

Fm sucks, fh sucks, nfs is mid, even gt7 sometimes sucks too

Only game doing well is assetto

[frigid stag]

Nahh forza is good

Fh4 especially

[craggy shoal]

FH5 is ASSSSSSS

I bought a PS5 just to switch to Gran Turismo

[frigid stag]

Fh5 seems fine to me

[craggy shoal]

it's boring

(last I played it)

[craggy shoal]

keeping an opened mind

[frigid stag]

What did they change

[lone mango]

That came out a while ago

[craggy shoal]

that's what I'm trying to find out 💀

[lone mango]

Im talking rn

[craggy shoal]

🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠

[frigid stag]

Cloud?

[lone mango]

Yo

[frigid stag]

🗿

[lone mango]

I love microsoft

[lone mango]

Oh I just realized

[frigid stag]

XDD

[rancid juniper]

FH6 either gonna one up FH5 in boredom or fun

there is no inbetween

[craggy shoal]

it's been this long

[craggy shoal]

Wrong. There is an "in between": fun for a month and then it dies off

a month if lucky*

[rancid juniper]

but if its located in japan:

[lone mango]

Place japan

[craggy shoal]

This game is so old it assumes the Extreme preset 🗿

[lone mango]

[rancid juniper]

wow pic

[lone mango]

[rancid juniper]

why bro on the bottom look like an SCP?

[lone mango]

[rancid juniper]

scp 096 lookin ah

[rancid juniper]

ford trucker

[craggy shoal]

read that as "tord fruc..."

Setting this to Australia for Felix

nvm they got retrowave. sorry felix

CrazyCarl39 typing a story

#building-and-recc-chat if you need build help btw

[swift bane]

Yea I’m looking to potentially do an upgrade, currently I have a 5600x which is working fine for 1440p gaming but was jumping to AM5 this year to stagger upgrades bc the the gpus aren’t the most enticing I’ll hold onto my 3080 a little longer

[craggy shoal]

GAHHH

[mortal grail]

X3d is quite good man

[craggy shoal]

wtf was I doing

[mortal grail]

Gamin

[craggy shoal]

260 with the top down 💀

[mortal grail]

https://tenor.com/view/traffic-driving-windy-gif-12237073

[tranquil pebble]

Horizon isnt known for its realism

[craggy shoal]

Oh I'm well aware

[mortal grail]

😂😂😂😂
https://www.rxddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1iet8y8/gamers_waiting_for_the_9070xt_pricing/

[craggy shoal]

Bruh I'm finding another hobby if AMD does something stupid

gonna get into trains or something idk

[mortal grail]

💀

[tranquil pebble]

I wish CoD had a difficulty level below Recruit tbh

[hoary zodiac]

Real

X3D is the only good release this gen

[proud jackal]

Intel 285k tho

[tranquil pebble]

I can wait out this mess personally

9800x3d and 6900xt should get me through for a while

[proud jackal]

I hope my 9800x3d lasts

[hoary zodiac]

No

285k is like a preview of next gen

[tranquil pebble]

Intel Arrow Lake is copium

[hoary zodiac]

Arrow lake shows the potential of next gen

But otherwise it's literally a skylake moment

[swift bane]

Ok cool thank you

[icy ore]

[fresh timber]

Sounds real to me

[cedar compass]

Missed that page a lot

[lusty fox]

Anyone know a discord that sends alerts for Newegg restocks for the 5090s? Would be greatly appreciated if I can’t find one

[craggy shoal]

no

[fresh timber]

make it

[craggy shoal]

Google it

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=newegg+restock+alerts

Now you're halfway there

[pliant berry]

looking at the news it could be a bit

[tranquil pebble]

This decade is cursed

[velvet summit]

cursed for what

[craggy shoal]

cursed for ya motha

[velvet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866714797160792105/1335082834653876376/AhaTik_tkmita47_1736083410174.mov?ex=679ee048&is=679d8ec8&hm=3c522931d7e1ab1d1d217d8260588fc51d6e0ec0ba86e8c171c7dd36169c02a3&

[craggy shoal]

Why does this feel like a ransomware

[mortal grail]

Ah yes

So smooth

The premium experience (Why is aliasing so ass)

[craggy shoal]

Nice buttery console experience

[icy ore]

There’s a scam going around rn on steam saying to click for access to early access to a game (for us it was Elden ring nightrein) don’t click it

[rancid juniper]

discord compression ig?

[fresh timber]

i was downloading spiderman 2.. nvm

[mortal grail]

It could be, everything looks jagged af tho

Something seems off idk

I said this when you played TDU

[rancid juniper]

with RT, i have no clue

[mortal grail]

Oh god I really see it

LOL

What are you screenshotting with

[rancid juniper]

legit no difference

[rancid juniper]

in-game photo mode

[mortal grail]

Ah

Try game bar or re:live, obs

Something else

[rancid juniper]

PATHTRACED screenshot

[mortal grail]

Game photo mode is jagged af

[rancid juniper]

ok

[mortal grail]

Getting better

[rancid juniper]

i always use print screen for screenshots

[mortal grail]

Eh

Use something else man

[rancid juniper]

🗿

[mortal grail]

Print screen pretty mid too

[lone mango]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/690830/?snr=1_5_9__205

Steam

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Price

$104.99

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The hell

That price is not real

[velvet summit]

https://youtu.be/IrE4r_7esTg

[rancid juniper]

from gamebar ig @mortal grail

[mortal grail]

Bwueegghh

Fix your anti aliasing 💀💀💀

Something you've been doing is ruining your anti aliasing

Sometimes less is more

So many jagged edges

[rancid juniper]

i didnt do anything

never modded the game

[misty sparrow]

i don't notice the antialiasing

[rancid juniper]

something wrong wit ur screen

or discord

😂

[mortal grail]

How do you guys not see the jagged lines

Can you not see this

[random osprey]

found jagged edges on the ac unit towards top left at 300% zoom

[mortal grail]

I see it everywhere

[random osprey]

i dont even know where you zxoomed in for that

[mortal grail]

Your AA settings seem totally off from normal or something in the screenshots is off

[rancid juniper]

BRUH

[mortal grail]

That's just one spot

Half the image has jagged lines

[velvet summit]

did you open the image in a browser, or are you looking in the discord app because discord app might just be because of compression

the aliasing isnt that bad in the web for me, only after i zoom in a fair bit then i see most of it lmfao

[rancid juniper]

these are the settings lol

[random osprey]

im finding these in browser but im doing like 200% zoom

[mortal grail]

That's what it bloody was

[velvet summit]

[mortal grail]

Ok nvm frost I'm stupid

LOL

[velvet summit]

ironically me and falcie talked about this a tiny bit like yesterday

[mortal grail]

I see NONE of this in browser wtf

[rancid juniper]

dang

[mortal grail]

Looks normal on browser

[rancid juniper]

discord client likes to deepfry stuff yknow

[mortal grail]

I didn't know it was that bad

[rancid juniper]

this is with FSR 3 Native AA

[mortal grail]

I thought it was just compression blur

Not actual res reduction

[misty sparrow]

well the screenshot is so tiny i can't notice it

[rancid juniper]

😭

[cursive compass]

[velvet summit]

ok it was more days than yesterday lmao

[mortal grail]

Yeah it looks way better there too in browser

[rancid juniper]

gud

[misty sparrow]

yeah i don't notice it in browser

it looks okay to me

[random osprey]

im sure there is at this point, but i need a mod that adds more accessible areas in the game. so many buildings and roofs that you cant explore

[velvet summit]

deus ex

[rancid juniper]

open all doors mod 😳

[wise wigeon]

Been meaning to ask but my 9800x3d has like spots on it?

[rancid juniper]

pathtracing is so fun

[wise wigeon]

Like I haven’t taken it out yet

But I see spots?

[mortal grail]

Zit cream is cheap

[mortal grail]

It's in a clamshell so might just be dust

[tranquil pebble]

mosquito bites on CPU

[mortal grail]

If the finish looks weird just wipe a little IPA over it

It'll be fine

[velvet summit]

(i was trying to reply to this message)
you might not want to open all doors
some things should not be seen

[misty sparrow]

-# i wonder if i should buy cyberpunk on pc if i already own it on PS5